Will it make it through the curve? Short chase of Big Boy 4014 to Duluth, MN
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2020
- Living in the Upper Peninsula has its advantages. For starters, Duluth was not a very long drive for me in terms of what I normally drive to get to and from school. So, when I heard 4014 was coming to Duluth, I thought I'd go check it out.
Arriving in Superior, WI where I was staying, I got there a little early and thought I'd give a little chase to it. I only managed to catch it operating on the road once before catching it at BNSFs yard in Superior. It was amusing since the rail crossing that crosses Business US-2, kept on activating, even though Big Boy was not on the path headed to that crossing.
It was quite the feat, watching it slowly crawl through the tight curves so that it could cross the bridge and ultimately stop at the Lake Superior Rail Museum. While it did take a long time for the Big Boy to overcome the curve, it gave everyone an opportunity to see the giant engine up close while running. Throughout the video, you may see the crew oiling the tracks. This was done to make the flanges on the engine turn easier; reducing the risk of the wheels climbing over the rail or cause the rail to roll over, lowering the probability of a derailment. This normally isn't needed, but the 4014 is not your typical six axle locomotive. - Авто та транспорт
Ed Dickens is an amazing engineer. Fom the ground up restoration to guiding 4014 through these tight bends. Awesome job!
I've met him in person in San Antonio when Big Boy 4014 came to town!
He a Engineer Genius.
Wow that is one tight curve! My heart was in my mouth while it was directed through the curve! Well done to drivers/engineers on board this giant beast! I just love watching it ❤❤❤
Congrats to the driver. He really knows how to incrementally let 6500 HP move round a very tight curve.
Especially weighing in at 1,200,000 pounds
@goafs1- Very small amount of fuel oil in the locomotive.
@@algrayson8965 hi
Nn.
Driver??? WTF???
You did a great job shooting and cutting this video! Your positions and zoom distances really help translate the size of 4014 onto a screen. You have a keen eye for an angle :) Thank you for sharing!
Just a thing of beauty to watch in motion. You have to admire the time that this locomotive was designed and built in and the craftsmanship and labor that went into maintaining them.
Indeed that is quite a piece of engineering on UP's part I just wish they maintained more sich locomotives even the early diesel ones and the streamlines too
No joke! No way a soy boy democrat could use this locomotive
@@joedirte716 it's a train.No politics required
@@fernandoqueirozpopovic7024 this is a real mans locomotive, democrat men sqaut when tbey pee
@@joedirte716...that dose not make any sence and besides politics do t have rails anymore they are a train wreck on both sides and no matter for who the engineer will vote for nobody will care
This is without a doubt the best articulation footage of 4014 I've yet seen. I read somewhere that Otto Jabelmann designed the 4000's to take a 20 degree curve. I think this video pretty-much confirms that.
20-degree curve means nothing. The radius is what matters.
@@robertgift Radius is used by hobbyists to measure curvature on model railroads. On the real RR's, we always measured in degrees of curvature over the length of the curve. Most mainline curves are in the 2-6 degree range with 10 degrees and above considered sharp. 20 degree curves would be reserved for wyes and yard trackage. If you must think in terms of models, a 10 degree curve would approximately equal 80" radius in HO scale.
@@oldspguy4786 In engineering, degrees of curvature means nothing without length. So we use radius to indicate how "sharp" a curve is.
A 10-degree curve merely means 10 degree deflection from a straight line. If a short length, that could be very sharp.
@@robertgift Understood. Please understand I was a locomotive engineer not maintenance-of-way so I may not be very good at describing this. Draw a curved line to scale. Take a ruler and place the zero mark on the curved line near its beginning and make an X. From that point draw what would be a 100 ft straight chord across till you again intersect the curve and make another X. Now you would measure how much curvature you have in the distance between the 2 X's. If it's a quarter circle, you have a 90 degree curve. Keep in mind that many RR curves are what are known as "transition" curves that start out relatively gently then gradually get sharper as they reach their apex then lessen again at the other end. I wouldn't even begin to know how to calculate those!
@@oldspguy4786 Howonderful being a locomotivengineer!
The transition curve is the best. Railroadshould have more of them. Maybe they do and I just don't recognize it. Most I have seen _appear_ to be single radius.
My Great Uncle was a locomotivengineer. Said his 4-8-4 freight locomotive had problems with some curves. I was too young to ask if they omitted flanges on the inside two drivers if that would help.
As massive and beautiful as this locomotive is amazes me. But what amazes me more is...the person(s) who designed and engineered this feat...didn't have use of a computer or electronic gadgets. It was done with a pencil, slide rules, protractors, rulers, etc. To use the technology of that day...which is "primitive" by today's standards... and have all those parts work in perfect harmony is what's so fascinating. IMO.
AMEN!! Those were real mechanical engineers back in the day.
right on, very well said
Yep, and never to be seen again. Sad that technology isn’t always for the best.
This is a determined miracle of stout attention, pride in everyone's achievements and one of the pinnacles of American engineering and genius. Hands down. Remarkable video...THANK YOU for sharing it with all of us!!
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I could see the engineer working the throttle forwards and backwards as he beautifully inched Big Boy round that sharp curve . My Dad was an engineer on the Indian Railways and he drove the WP Pacific Class locos built by Baldwin USA . I wonder if a regulator would move a loco so slowly . Beautiful loco and beautiful video . Dad would have loved to see this . Love USA .
Looked more like the brake stand to me, but I could be wrong. That curve reminded me of the American Flyer layout my kids and I used to run.
Ed Dickens knows exactly what to do and how to do it. He drives the 2014, 844 and the Santa Fe!
That was the independent brake on the engine. If u look close you will notice the power reverser in the center which means he was using the power of 3025 to push the 4014 through the curve
4014 is so beautiful and I love the sound of the horn!!!
Such a beautiful locomotive and the carriages look amazing too. I especially like the silver bogies.
Big Boy I’ve missed you. You have brought the crawl to a new art form. Beautifully done!!!
Thanks A bunch! Really enjoyable. I worked steam locomotives 50 years ago, but still get thrilled.
Its so cool to see a noticable angle on the articulation joint!
The steam locomotive has to one of greatest examples of power man has come with. There is nothing out there like a steam locomotive. Just the sheer size and raw power.
Such a symphony of sight and sound. So pleasing to the eye and ear. I love these fabulous old giants.
THAT is what a steam whistle should sound like!!! None of that dainty teakettle stuff for this brute! Brings a giggle and a big involuntary smile to my face every time!
Steve Schmidt But the high pitched British ones are good too. So are 3 chimed whistles
The best steam engine on the line! The biggest the meanest and the baddest! BIG BOY!!!
@@journeythroughtherails5294 Sorry, but I don't like the British ones. They're the ones that sound like teakettles. The engines are great and I wouldn't turn down a chance to hang around them, but I don't like the whistles much.
Steve Schmidt That’s okay, that is your opinion which I respect.
@@sschmidtevalue i dont like british steam train whistles too
I am very proud to say that these massive machines were built in my home town of Schenectady, N.Y. The very large truss bridge that put these boys onto the main line still spans Erie Blvd by Mike's Restaurant . The ALCO plant is gone now , Rivers Casino was built on the site . Memories !
william .lafreniere sad. And if things don’t turn around, GE will be gone too.
@@failranch9542 Yes , as a kid growing up in that city , I remember the parking lots at GE packed full of employee cars 7 days a week , it is sad .
Sure would be nice to see this back to are neck of the woods .
After a few decades, 4014 still has the turning power.
Love that sound, takes me back to childhood! Fantastic and beautiful!
👌👍 BIG BOY WAS NEVER BUILT TO RETIRE 😍😍😍😍😍 We saw it in St. Paul that trip. 😎😎🤩 COME AGAIN 🤙
5:21 that there is a sphincter-clincher for everyone nearby when a big boy lurches like that.
Yes. That scared me. Wonder what happened. Wish there were a close-up.
Robert Gift it looked like it was just the bogie shifting out from under the nose of the boiler allowing it to shift down slightly. A loco that long wouldn’t normally deal with curves that tight so the bogie wouldn’t normally get that far off of true.
The front engine (each set of 8 driving wheels is a completely separate engine) supports the front half of the boiler on a massive bolster, and at the rear of the front engine there is a loop and pintle hook hitch connecting it to the rear engine. This is what allows the front engine to swing out from under the boiler. There is no rolling bearing of any kind between the bolster saddle and the boiler! It is just a greased mashing, kind of like what you see on the fifth wheel of a semi-tractor trailer. That bolster saddle is supporting about 200 TONS of weight!!! In this case, the tracks are not level, and are rising to the crossing, which makes things a bit dicier on this tight curve, and causing the saddle to bind up like that. I watched Big Boy negotiate a far tighter curve than this in Wyoming last May, but it was on perfectly level track and there was no binding or lurching like this. In fact the motion was quite smooth as the boiler did wide a "hang ten", so to speak. It looks really cool, it is one of my favorite things to watch with this beautiful machine.
It Looked Like If It Was Gonna Derail But Hey, Thats What The 4014 Always Does When It Gets Around A Curve
Excellent video. Totally admire the big boys. Yes I have the models including the cab forward. Just awesome, thanks.
26:04 - My goodness what a sound. Thank you for this footage.
And was nice seeing it by itself at the end of the video minus the diesel!
The wife and I were in Cheyenne the day it rolled through San Antonio, 20 miles from my home. Some day I’ll be privlidged to see it up close. Thank you for this post, well done ❤️
In the UK we have a thing called route availability (RA) and traction is allowed to traverse routes upto that number . We don't have anything as large as this beauty. The restorers have done a magnificent job.
Yes and unfortunately this locomotive would have a RA 0f 11 or 12
Its a cargo hauling muscle train. Its literally the pinnacle of engineering of half half.
Its powerful enough to even be fueled ad a desiel consumer.
I am from the USA . The Flying Scotsman in the UK is no slouch. Kudos to the people in both great countries for preserving these historical masterpieces.
Man oh man what a dramatic event . I am impressed with this great engine .The crew at there finest hour for the gentle giant .
WOW.....just listening to the whistle on that thing gives me the shivers! What a BEAUTIFUL BEAST.....PS I lived in Duluth for 7 years and I sure wish that had come to town while I lived there!!
Nice to see the articulation in action - thank you for the video.
Beautiful video. Thanks for posting it.
Awesome video! Between the conductor’s hand motions and the steam sound and horn; I found this to be very soothing 😴
Somehow the word 'delicate ' describes this movement, as if she was on tiptoes. Awesome video, well done. Thanks for sharing.
*as if *he* was on tip toes
@Samuel Lynch Yeah but its a bit weird to call a locomotive named the Big BOY a she lol
The engineer was literally walking her around that curve
Even locos with male names (ie King George) are ‘her’. Goes for ships too I think. Bloody awesome bit of engineering either way though!
Karl Triebel Bismarck is the only exception to the feminine ship reference. Admiral Lutyens said once that the Bismarck was “too powerful to be called a she.” Hence, the German titan was referred to as a male.
Great video, thank you for posting!!!
What an amazing machine! Great video capture!
Outstanding footage.....thanks for sharing
AWESOME! JUST AWESOME! And that whistle give me the shivers every time I hear it.
From the UK ....Love the Vid during Our Lockdown...
outstanding engineering that 4014 was built so well and restored so masterfully that is was able to handle such a radius .
Very high quality video. I really enjoyed it. thank you.
Greeting from the UK. That is one huge and beautiful locomotive.
Just an absolutely magnificent piece of machinery. I get goose bumps every time I see it.
Marcellus Sinclair , i met Union Pacific Big Boy when he came to Chicago, he is beautiful, I'm a Model Railroder & i collect Union Pacific trains.
What an engineering masterpiece just magnificent. And the throttle control amazing.
What a beautiful and amazing piece of history!
Incredible amount of overhang!
I cannot imagine the superior control of the crew over this beast to crawl like this.
They probably had the Diesel engine pushing at that point in notch 1.
@@MustangsTrainsMowers Ahh that makes more sense why it was lurching like that, under its own power it need to pass through at 5mph.
Great video and footage!
Awesome video! I planned on trying to catch it in Superior, however my plan was forced to change and so I resorted to catching it elsewhere in WI
What a magnificent Locomotive. It's gorgeous!
Absolutely stunning. A beautiful beast of a machine from a bygone era. Here is South Africa, there are few of these
amazing machines remaining. Incredible regulator control.
That is one beautiful machine. Those escape vents are probably important lol
Always love watching Trains, So nice shiny. Thank You
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I thought the articulation was something that only the model train version did. Pretty cool to see it in action!
I seen this bad ass in Kansas city union station in november last year 2019 this beast is unreal such beauty from the past coming to life...
i’m so glad that there’s a big boy in operation in 2020. what a sight!
I cant believe the risk they take on these really old railway lines wooden sleepers not concrete ones. great video boss.
Shows how good these guy's are!
O my god totally fantastic. That beast is so big and so long. The delicacy of this operation was amazing. It was like moving the beast inch by inch
The diesel was pushing it through the curve
Awesome catch! What a beaty
Good job filming! You are Pro bud! I hit subscribe just for your good work. I chased that day from Cambridge to the depot. i was probly near you the whole trip!
My wife and I did a road trip in 1983(?) over from the UK to the western states starting in Phoenix Az and going up through the Dakotas, Montana and Wyoming. I am sure that this was the Big Boy that I saw in Cheyenne Wyoming sitting in a park. After all those years it is great that they brought it back to life. I hope more US locos can be brought back into steam.
I am sure you are two of a very few people in the UK who can say they have seen Big Boy! I am envious!
That is quite the steamer. Beautiful machine.
So lucky to be anyone there in person to see one in operation.
Looooove your video 👍🛤️🚂 i saw Big Boy when he came to Chicago, I'm a Model Railroder and I collect Union Pacific trains
MICHAEL GLASS I’m a model railroader in eastern Iowa, I also love the UP/ collect UP trains myself and one of there yards is only 2-3 blocks from my apartment
This is a really good video of what UP 4014 Big Boy can do as an articulated locomotive to get thru a tight curve. It looks like that curve was about the tightest curve that UP 4014 can get thru. Also all the articulation points and the sliding plate that supports the front end of the boiler on this locomotive must have been properly greased and lubricated to get thru that curve.
Yes I would think so 😊!
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Stopped at 5:42. If it cant what's the plan? Almost afraid to continue.----
9:42 4 solid minutes sitting on the edge of my chair, afraid any second a wheel flange would begin to ride up over and theyd have to back down--- then came the centipede tender too.
I wish theyd bring it to the east coast where I could go see it.
Back at 12:18. Thanks for the close up. Love to watch the valve gear in motion... BTW is the Challenger still sitting at the museum top of the hill just north out of Duluth on Rte 2?
Oh My Goodness. 16:23 another sharp curve showing beyond the crossing..OK 19:42, I can breathe again. THANKS FOR A GREAT VIDEO. An old B&O machinist thanks you big time.
The farewell whistle at 26:10 on brings tears to my eyes. Thanks again.
Frederick Wise that ain’t no challenger at the top of the hill. It is a Duluth Missabe & Iron Range 2-8-8-4 Yellowstone. Pulling wise it would make a joke out of 4014. Heaviest train pulled by a Big Boy was 5,000 tons. Heaviest train pulled by a Yellowstone was 21,000 tons. They were used to haul Iron Ore from the Mesabi and Vermillion Iron Ranges to the docks in Duluth and Two Harbors. Three remain 225 in Proctor, MN. 227 in Duluth, MN and 229 in Two Harbors, MN!
@@railsofthenorthland1181 Im sure you guys would know but the one I have a VHS of was a 4-6-6-4 Challenger .. .. Could they have swapped it out since 9-8-92????
Frederick Wise Only challenger locomotive in Minnesota was UP 3985 in southern Minnesota. 2008 I believe. The Yellowstone has been there since 1963 no other articulated locomotives have been displayed in Minnesota.
You can look up DM&IR 225. It may look like a 2-6-6-4 because the front driver is hidden behind the valve gear.
@@railsofthenorthland1181 I will concede to your knowledge.and expertise especially since you say its been there since 1963.
Besides I dont have a VCR anymore so I cant play my VHS. LOL
I know that I loved my sneak peek climbing up in the cab when I was sure no one from the museum was watching. It was like old times from my last days at the B&O in 58 before I went in the Navy.
Thanks for the info. Keep steam rollin as long as you can.
The articulation works!!!!! That engineer at the throttle knew his stuff! Excellent control. The wheels were itching to slip. Took some nerves of steel. Back in the old days they probably would have had her barrel threw at 5MPH. Loved the shot of 4014 by herself @ 24:30. Cool video! A couple of high end shots as well. The opening shot was epic for 4014 videos.
The diesel was pushing
@@johnmclaurinmclaurin924 The diesel was pushing? Wrong! The diesel was there in case of emergency and to provide electricity to the cause and for dynamic breaking! check the your fax’s before you type!
Very well done video! I subscribed to your channel!
25:35 You can see Big Boy's fire glowing underneath; funny thing is, that ash pan is useless now. :)
I saw the Big Boy in person couple weeks ago here in Fort Worth TX. Truly majestic beast !
What an amazing piece of engineering! Watching the entire Front Drive Wheels SHIFT in the turn was awesome! It's like there are two locomotives, sharing one boiler! @15:50... If I were him, I'd have my Engineer's Cap on... (you can see that he seems to be Very Anxious, white knuckles are showing in his Right Hand).
It's great to see the Big Boy visiting Minnesota. That curve sure is a tight squeeze! I guess the crew was sweating it a little bit, for a while. Inch by inch they did it.
Isn't that Ed Himself at the controls? I like this laid - back attitude of the machinists on Big Boy! Besides, it's running like a Swiss Watch!
This big boy is terrifying but i love it that scary sound, is out of this WORLD.
Ada Vazquez na this sound like a drone not scary at all,
If u want a scary sound search on (TU 95 rare inflight)
my dream locomotive, so sexy, too bad I could never afford to take a trip to an area where I could watch it operate, so glad people share these videos.
WOOW....OH MY GOD
excellence, awesome, so nice, and extraordinary !
beautiful view of up big boy away in little curve rail track but no derailment...slow but safe from crash.
If Ed Dickens is at the helm, you know it will be perfect👍
If they had mustered a few more workers, they could have lifted the locomotive around the curve.😁
I got to ride/drive her in Houston a long time ago. It was awsome.
Good Job with the Video, lots of patience. Lets your heart beat faster to see something like that, however, reminds us that excess (more, bigger, heavier) collides with economy and sustainability.
Amazing to think I got to stand in the cab of this locomotive while it was at the friggin Pomona Fairplex
It's amazing how a historical peace of engineering can pull modern day trains and cars with almost complete ease
I know.
You should see the challenger locomotive pull 143 double stack cars
I belive modern day trains are even easier to pull thanks to the introduction of Roller Bearings!
Magnificent &I love the whistle.
Awesome my Big Boy 😎 videos I like the way of power Big Boy 😎 my 💙 locomotive good job
Suppose they'd gotten it stuck there. Took guts to ease it along in that curve. Bravo!
That whistle is so nice sounding
I wish this train would come through Pennsylvania! I'd love to see it!
How could anyone in their right mind thumbs down this? It was well shot, and certainly not your average railroad footage.
Great video! Not something you see often these days, a Big Boy negotiating a tight curve. And I’m glad the UP is in such good financial shape that they can afford to pay 10 employees to stand by and watch.
The ceo makes a dollar while I make a dime
This is why I poop on company time
Only a dollar?
Must be an extremely underpaid CEO.
Watching this , I was thinking ,
this is like trying to fit a G gauge engine on a N gauge track .
My favorite locomotive
thanks for sharing! : )
This is speed step 1 on my DCC throttle! Nice, accurate low-speed operation here. 😎
How do we know the low speed is not being helped by the deisel engine a couple of cars back?
@@jked7463 It probably was. Crack the throttle for proper lubrication of the steam components, then let it drift while the diesel behind it gently pushes it through. Trying to drive it through on its own power would have been risking a wheelslip, which could cause a drive wheel to jump the flange and derail it.
Team effort to get through that curve, which would be considerably tighter than the Big Boys would have ever encountered in revenue service.
6:26 - It would be interesting to see the geometry between the engine and the tender
Nice catch!
Such an amazing machine even more so considering so many of these loco's were built a century ago. I think the 4014 was built 80 years ago but still...amazing massive machine. Built with no computers or modern tooling.
Woooooow, beautiful and very hard job,like a black ballerina 🤩😍🚂
A master piece vid love from Chennai India in lockdown 🙏
Hard to see but track gang had lightly greased the inside surfaces of the rail head to keep the big fella moving and hopefully help prevent a wheel climb. That has to be the best example of articulation I've seen! Way cool!!
Nice job patriot God Bless you thank you
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I wish i could see the Big Boy steam locomotive number 4014 in real life.... Up close and personal. That would have been fascinating. Wow.
That articulation is really something to see. Looks like it's bending in the middle when viewed at certain angles.