I tried every popular MMO. It did not go well.

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    World of Warcraft, Old School Runescape, Final Fantasty XIV. All of these massively popular MMOs have one thing in common, they struggle to attract new players. Why is that?
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  • @whydidtheychangemyname
    @whydidtheychangemyname Рік тому +81

    "A bad tutorial can legitimately be worse than no tutorial at all" Not an MMO, but... looking at you, League of Legends...

    • @dagowow
      @dagowow 4 місяці тому

      Don't worry, anyone who plays League is intellectually deficient anyway, no matter the help they get.

    • @jeffboy4231
      @jeffboy4231 3 місяці тому +2

      it actually is so true. there's a game with an tutorial, it already kinda sucks, doesn't eplain much blah blah but whatever, atleast tells you the very basics right?
      well apperantly not lol. i don't know if the tutorial was added after or not, but with the venting mechanic (a mechanic to get out of combo's) they just never explain that in the tutorial, meaning players never think something like that exists, where without a tutorial they would've looked at the controls atleast and found the button

  • @JoshStrifeSays
    @JoshStrifeSays Рік тому +581

    subway surfers on the right side of runelite -plugin when?

    • @ThisisCitrus
      @ThisisCitrus 5 місяців тому +9

      Do you have to comment on every single video about MMOs? It's like going into peoples Twitch and advertising your own channel.

    • @Zadamanim
      @Zadamanim 5 місяців тому +43

      ​@@ThisisCitrusits nothing like that lol

    • @KovCapyWizz
      @KovCapyWizz 5 місяців тому +14

      ​@@ThisisCitrusexcept its nothing like that tho

    • @ThisisCitrus
      @ThisisCitrus 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Zadamanim It kinda is.

    • @geemo
      @geemo 5 місяців тому +21

      @@ThisisCitrus so once you get a following, you just aren’t allowed to interact with your community anymore?

  • @nikito702
    @nikito702 Рік тому +1377

    Part of the whiplash with WoW is that somewhere along the way they kinda shelved all the previous expansions from being mandatory experiences for an up-and-coming adventurer. This got overwhelming because there were so many different expansions you had to play through just to get to the new stuff. They made a change so that you can now choose to do any expansion that you want on a new character up until you get to the point of the newest expansion. However, new players go to Battle for Azeroth no matter what with no real explanation of what's going on or who anybody is. It's like being pushed into season 8 of Game of Thrones when you've never seen a single episode.

    • @flameknightdragon
      @flameknightdragon Рік тому +130

      and it does not help that many of the zone quests end in either dungeons no one does anymore, in raids that no one does anymore, or behind outdated reps that take forever to farm.

    • @dexterwillmon
      @dexterwillmon Рік тому +64

      It’s honestly why I like leveling more, in classic.

    • @Zvalgryn
      @Zvalgryn Рік тому +33

      ​@@flameknightdragonyeah I got super depressed trying to do nostalgic content and it's just completely empty.

    • @igot2remember
      @igot2remember Рік тому +62

      @@flameknightdragon They could help alleviate this problem by putting in a roulette system like FFXIV. Current expansion player earn currency to use for current expansion by doing old content, so that way new player are not left out to dry with a empty world. Would help even more if they had a min item, and level system for older content.

    • @EnderGoku9001
      @EnderGoku9001 Рік тому +8

      @@flameknightdragon fr they fucked up the dungeon finder in shadowlands and now you can't really farm rep like you used to without hitting high level

  • @hmvollbanane1259
    @hmvollbanane1259 Рік тому +9

    Seems like classic wow would be right up your alley. The problem with retail is that at one point a long the way Activision realized that the leveling experience had become so disjointed and unfun as anything dies the second you look at it anyways that people were actually willing to pay an entire AAA retail game price just to skip it. Eventually it became so unbearable that they had to do something so they made the entire world scale to your level and force you to play through one of two expansions to reach the actual new theme park expansion leading to the actual gameplay - the endgame.
    But since the char boost has become such a profitable endeavour they never did away with forcing you to spend days on irrelevant stuff, half of which has been retconned since anyway.
    So basically the reason you couldn't hop into dragonflight right away is due to them prioritizing milking the established playerbase rather than getting new players (and the gameplay loop in retail stays the exact same, with the exact same quest designs, from the tutorial island until you reach the endgame when it becomes a hub to play three possible different minigames. M+ dungeons, raids and arena PvP.
    If you are actually looking for a somewhat challenging world of exploration and cohesion classic is the way to go

  • @Justindotcom
    @Justindotcom Рік тому +9

    Sorry, but Josh Strife Hayes is the president of MMO's. You can be Vice President lol

  • @howdoesonename7090
    @howdoesonename7090 Рік тому +115

    As someone who has played WoW since vanilla (aka classic), I agree that the new player experience is incredibly confusing once you leave exile's reach. Sadly it comes from the sheer amount of expansion packs WoW has had. It used to be you had to level through each of them in order, but it got to the point where levelling took so long that they had to condense it down to be possible to level through just one expansion's content. There is a mechanic that unlocks once you get to level 60 that lets you level other characters through a different expansion to BFA, but I honestly think this should unlock immediately for any new character. Also the rule of thumb with WoW is that the most recent expansion is end-game content, so Dragonflight is only available from level 60+. However, when the next expansion comes out it's been stated that Dragonflight will become the new default levelling zone for new players instead of BFA, which I think is better as it's more about exploration and learning about important lore characters than fighting a war where you're instantly the great champion of your faction.
    (Also the trading post isn't the microtransaction shop (yet. There's some drama over a recent 'bundle' that included some of the currency) - it's earned via in-game tasks)

    • @chossachgameplay3840
      @chossachgameplay3840 Рік тому

      they should do the same way as ESO when you have your tutorial zone and then ask you what zone you want to start it. that way if you want to story from start to finish you should pick one of the classic starting zones. otherwise pick one of the expension zone leveling zones.

    • @jslaughter95
      @jslaughter95 Рік тому

      they *do* do that, the problem he's referring to is that for new players it forces you into the latest expansion story just before the new expansion, AKA the current expansion is Dragonflight, so brand new players will play through the Shadowlands story. It can be a little jarring with being thrown into that story without knowing who any of the major players are, but at the same time it also helps to some degree in keeping new players current with the story@@chossachgameplay3840

    • @beasthunt
      @beasthunt Рік тому

      I started back at WoW a week ago. Yes, it's confusing coming back. The main quest for older content no longer exist and that's criminal, imo. I left during legion and I have no clue about any of it anymore, but Dragonflight is pretty dern fantastic. Even Chromie-time lasted for a few main quest in Draenor and then stopped....lol.

    • @AD-ro6yp
      @AD-ro6yp 11 місяців тому

      @@chossachgameplay3840 It literally is like that. You go talk to chromie and select the time you want to play.

    • @lad4830
      @lad4830 11 місяців тому

      They should've kept it in order. New level 1 character should be able to go anywhere from vanilla all the way to shadowlands (or DF if they bought expo), but there would be only one campaign that if your would've decided to do before doing side quests it would take you through all expansions in order. That way you could tell a newcomer to WoW to follow the main campaign and when he is done he can go back to do the side quests that would further expand the knowledge of the world.

  • @Tom-Pendragon
    @Tom-Pendragon Рік тому +566

    I think I'd love to see another triple head to head, maybe RuneScape 3, Elder Scrolls Online and GW2?

    • @yeetmyteet69
      @yeetmyteet69 Рік тому +4

      Agreed, that would be great

    • @af6756
      @af6756 Рік тому +115

      GW2 would just blow the competition..

    • @azenyr
      @azenyr Рік тому +40

      These youtubers complain about MMOs but never play the actually good ones

    • @Blueniter
      @Blueniter Рік тому +13

      I remember playing Elder Scrolls Online just for 10 minutes, Did not look bad but did not hook me.

    • @dragonriderabens9761
      @dragonriderabens9761 Рік тому +21

      ESO in 2023 is one of the worst cash grabs in MMOs out there
      so that one gets a hard pass for me

  • @maniacmatt7340
    @maniacmatt7340 Рік тому +532

    Ff14 is 5 jrpgs in a trench coat. Very fun, but you'll be watching a lot.

    • @harrylane4
      @harrylane4 Рік тому +92

      And the most recent two expansions, two of the most beloved, are the most cutscene-heavy expansions in the entire game. We love our cutscenes in ff14.

    • @StormBurrito
      @StormBurrito Рік тому +17

      ​@@harrylane4i wish they'd implement story skips for the most recent expansions. I had my friend sit down and do the whole endwalker story for me so i didnt have to sit through it. I play the game just for the raids and i wish they'd save players like me some of the trouble since clearing the massive amount of story they put out can take up so much time, but the fact that i have to pay to skip anything is really annoying considering how many hundreds of hours a new character needs invested into it to catch up.

    • @the0s0ph1st
      @the0s0ph1st Рік тому +4

      I think it was revealed in the latest Fanfest in Vegas that they'll add a new option to start the game in a later expansion (I think it's Shadowbringers) come Dawntrail. Don't qoute me on that though.

    • @StormBurrito
      @StormBurrito Рік тому +2

      @@the0s0ph1st that would be incredible it true

    • @normalmighty
      @normalmighty Рік тому +9

      @@StormBurrito The didn't announce anything solid, and I wouldn't expect anything in 7.0. Rather, Yoshi P said that they've been laying the groundwork so that later down the line they can allow new players to start at 6.1 without being lost or confused.
      You can see this with things like the unending codex, which is given to you at the start of 6.1 and gradually adds background lore entries for characters, places and events as the come up, so that if you didn't play through that part of the story you can get a TLDR summary.

  • @savnana3605
    @savnana3605 Рік тому +261

    I feel like FF14's intent is "just do the ENTIRE main story forever, and leave its rails when you're comfortable." Targetting a single player experience first, and the 'mmo' part when you feel like it.

    • @Crealgood
      @Crealgood Рік тому +17

      @RhosVelka What? Have you even played it? It is most definitely a 'true' MMORPG, whatever that even means. It was way more ways to interact with other people in the world than any other MMO. While it is heavy on the story elements, which happen to be one of the best story lines of any game ever, it even goes as far as having an entire Casino you can gamble in with other players.

    • @cassidyreid5059
      @cassidyreid5059 11 місяців тому +3

      I get what you're saying here for sure@RhosVelka

    • @bamberscher_offiziell7261
      @bamberscher_offiziell7261 11 місяців тому

      @RhosVelkathats what it is, also the reason why i quit/pause.
      Absolutely Shit Concept.

    • @TannerGrigg
      @TannerGrigg 11 місяців тому +22

      you must not understand MMOs FFXIV gates you into doing certain dungeon and raids before being able to progress... the map is clearly linear and no freedom to roam.. way to many loading screens. most boring experience for new players ever... i have read "you sense a hostile presence"
      3 billion times lol@@Crealgood

    • @HappyHubris
      @HappyHubris 9 місяців тому +6

      @RhosVelka 100% agree. It's a movie and social space with combat and crafting afterthoughts.

  • @Avohaj
    @Avohaj Рік тому +145

    Actually that "microtransaction shop" in WoW that a quest told you about, isn't (yet) a microtransaction shop, it's more like a (free/included) battle pass system where you do certain activities in the game and earn currency to buy pretty things. It's actually a pretty good non-predatory system which would be really great if it didn't compete with an actual microtransaction shop that also exists.

    • @Wolfstorm701
      @Wolfstorm701 11 місяців тому +26

      Did he mistake the Trading Post for a microtransaction shop?

    • @hitmandoggymr47
      @hitmandoggymr47 11 місяців тому +12

      @@Wolfstorm701 yes

    • @OverTheMatt
      @OverTheMatt 10 місяців тому +8

      This comment needs more views. Trading post is a really cool system that’s an anti micro transaction shop

    • @SwitchTalkChannel
      @SwitchTalkChannel 9 місяців тому +2

      Without looking into it, I'm going to guess that it is predatory, since you used the term 'battle pass'. Either you're using the wrong term, or it's predatory. There's no such thing as a healthy 'battle pass' system. By their very nature, they are designed by experts to force you to play 24/7, regardless of it being mtx or not (which it often is, of course). (Also, as you said: since there is mtx in the game, everything else is rendered moot.)
      I now refuse to play games that are pay-to-win or even have mtx really of any kind. If they do, I play the free version. If there isn't a free version, or the free version itself is entirely built around pay-to-play features (such as Warframe), then I'll simply not play and find another game.
      To quote Asmongold on such issues: 'Don't play games you hate and feed into systems you disagree with. Don't spend money on it. Don't play it. Quit.'

    • @OverTheMatt
      @OverTheMatt 9 місяців тому +2

      “Without looking at it” sums it up perfectly. The game costs 15$ a month no matter what you wanna do in it. 😂🤡

  • @Mir_Teiwaz
    @Mir_Teiwaz Рік тому +594

    I really wish FFXIV would tell new players that side quests are mostly meant for expanded lore information or leveling alt jobs. You can mostly stick to the main story for your main job.

    • @C9Kreal
      @C9Kreal Рік тому +43

      Game looks like trash lmao holy moly

    • @michaelmercer9469
      @michaelmercer9469 Рік тому +77

      Tbh, I feel like the community is the biggest reason new players don't stick around. There's only so much "18+ nightclub featuring DJ's Cleavage and College Dropout, come get your freak on!" spam in the main cities your average individual can tolerate.

    • @nexeus7302
      @nexeus7302 Рік тому +183

      @@michaelmercer9469 We had those when the game had 200k+ players. This hasn't changed at all as RP scenes is huge, in every MMO, and FFXIV isn't an exception. If you gonna judge a game solely because of this you're delusional. FFXIV has this trend; you like it, or don't, and if you don't you leave - simple as that. This game has huge lore and story that isn't for everyone. There's a reason why FFXIV is N1 MMO atm, and no, isn't because of those RP dingleberries, because the game is good and it has so much to offer.

    • @nexeus7302
      @nexeus7302 Рік тому +156

      @@C9Kreal I said the same thing 9 years ago, and still eating my words since 9 years. Don't judge a game because of the look. You will look foolish, like you do now.

    • @michaelmercer9469
      @michaelmercer9469 Рік тому +41

      @@nexeus7302 been here since Heavensward, and no, we did not always have this problem. It wasn't until Shadowbringers that the RP scene in this game became the cancer it is today. Yes, all MMOs have an RP scene, and most of them have an eRP scene as well to some degree, but there's not a single other MMO out there right now where the community is so unabashed about shoving their RP in everyone else's face.

  • @WolfmanXD
    @WolfmanXD Рік тому +108

    "you'll never encounter someone who looks like you."
    Me who has found an npc in endwalker that looks exactly like my character - 👀

    • @max7971
      @max7971 Рік тому +7

      Gorillion identical miqotes be like:

    • @Dropsey818
      @Dropsey818 Рік тому

      it just works

    • @cattysplat
      @cattysplat Рік тому +4

      There's only a handful of faces for each race. If you really want to be unique, pick an unpopular race like Elezen, Roga, Hroth or Lala.

    • @the.duck.is.ronin.
      @the.duck.is.ronin. 4 місяці тому

      I made a retainer who I thought looked cool, until I realize I accidentally 1:1 recreated that one pirate from Stormblood

    • @EloquentTroll
      @EloquentTroll 4 місяці тому

      Oh yes blonde Miqo'te White Mage wearing the Cleric's Robes, you never see those, I'm very original

  • @joshuahng1
    @joshuahng1 Рік тому +45

    Gw2 is the only one on a positive trending on graph

    • @realdragon
      @realdragon 2 місяці тому +4

      It also had comprehensive tutorial. It's my first MMO and I managed to learn how to play it, turning camera around was little confusing but I got used to it

  • @GordsZarack
    @GordsZarack 5 місяців тому +97

    Nice point, however, you lack hair

    • @gtPacheko
      @gtPacheko 29 днів тому +3

      Good argument brother

    • @Adrian_Franco
      @Adrian_Franco 25 днів тому

      Reminds me of the courage the cowardly dog episode lol. "You sir, are very very bald"

  • @kraftyk4162
    @kraftyk4162 Рік тому +132

    A lot of the complaints on FFXIV are fixed far later in the game. They added a lot more voiced cutscenes and made new mechanics more fun than a text bubble. I do think they should go back and tweak a lot of the new player experience, though, because it is largely outdated.

    • @Krunkeridleios
      @Krunkeridleios Рік тому +24

      That's the main problem with final fantasy tbh, Everyone just say it's fixed later in the game.

    • @loki210
      @loki210 Рік тому +41

      @@Krunkeridleios I mean, not that that itsn't a legitimate design problem, because it absolutely is, but at least with FFXIV it actually is true and not just the playerbase huffing copium about a broken game.

    • @tomwallen7271
      @tomwallen7271 Рік тому +32

      That's great for the existing playerbase, but it's never fun for new players to hear "Don't worry, it gets good after the first 200 hours."

    • @kujaa1831
      @kujaa1831 Рік тому +5

      @@tomwallen7271 Exactly, I want to believe that the game does get better after ARR but I've alrdy sunk over a hundred hours into that first bit. Just reached heavensward and I don't even have the motivation nor energy to continue anymore lol.

    • @I8one2Many
      @I8one2Many Рік тому

      ​@@tomwallen7271you need to play a support class and you can get pretty far pretty quickly. The fashion/crafting is great in ffxiv.

  • @TheSingingBUn
    @TheSingingBUn Рік тому +40

    now, as a ff14 player, I feel like this is the sort of game you ought to treat less like an open-world mmo and more like an rpg in an mmo system. Because the content is the main story quest rather than endgame, the game pace is slower at the start, and your character progress follows along your story journey.
    side note: if you think Gridania is confusing, try heading over to Ul-dah. that's a freaking maze right there xD

    • @kmeanxneth
      @kmeanxneth Рік тому +9

      Yoshi-P did said ff14 is a Final Fantasy game first and MMO second.
      (Final Fantasy games are story heavy single player RPG)

    • @Brandon-bc1fz
      @Brandon-bc1fz Рік тому

      I remember getting lost at least 5 times.

    • @TheDigimonXYZ
      @TheDigimonXYZ Рік тому +1

      Why are people keep parroting this stuff. Rpg with MMO gameplay and systems is trash Rpg. Compare ff14 game play to other ff games, it's day and night

    • @TheSingingBUn
      @TheSingingBUn Рік тому +11

      @@TheDigimonXYZ you are answering to a month old comment. The mentality is not "parroting" when people unanimously agree on the sentiment

    • @Caterpillar
      @Caterpillar Рік тому

      @@kmeanxneth definitely not a game to try if you want a more mmo experience

  • @jessie1078
    @jessie1078 Рік тому +256

    GW2 is the only other mmorpg besides osrs that has really hooked me. Still find myself going back to it sometimes :)

    • @TwelveTables
      @TwelveTables Рік тому +19

      I agree. There is so much to do in gw2 that it's actual insane what's there for the game. Everything gives you experience and exploring what seems cool at the moment is how you level. Honestly, the hardest thing to learn in gw2 is the map specific currencies and you don't even deal with that till you get past the core game.

    • @draenei
      @draenei Рік тому +7

      gw2 combat felt clunky and graphics are meh, personally, i have like 3k hours on wow but FFXIV is the gold

    • @ZXChris93
      @ZXChris93 Рік тому +19

      It has insane value too. The only thing in GW2 you have to directly pay for is the expansion. Everything in the "Cash Shop" you can technically buy with ingame gold, the Living World season areas and story is free if you log in even once during it's introduction, which is a couple of months at a time. When the new expansion cycle was announced, afaik not that many people were upset we'd be paying more for content, considering how little people had to spend for the most part for the last decade.

    • @draenei
      @draenei Рік тому +6

      @@ZXChris93 im sure its a great game but it just doesnt appeal to me :/

    • @Royal.Grand.Majesty
      @Royal.Grand.Majesty Рік тому +2

      Completely Agree.

  • @Emptylord
    @Emptylord Рік тому +37

    @25:55 Pretty certain that's a screenshot of the Trading Post, which is currently a free-to-play Battle Pass-like system. Those are rewards you can buy from a rotating selection using a currency you earn by playing the game - essentially like if your Final Fantasy achievements dropped a currency you could spend on cosmetics. It probably says something about the quest you did that you came away thinking it was a premium storefront.

    • @assboi
      @assboi Рік тому +1

      Give this video a few months and it will be factually correct.
      They're already flirting with the idea of monetising the Trade Post (the Medivh set from July, the two sets from August, the straight up selling one time 200tenders in August)

    • @icannotbeseen
      @icannotbeseen Рік тому +2

      @@assboi yep there's no way the trading post won't be a full-on cosmetic cash shop by the end of the year. you'll get the first few tenders for free to get you hooked (I mean, I logged into retail for the first time since castle nathria and got three mounts from there. the fuck. it's so jarring when you come from wotlk where the only cool mounts probably go to the raid lead first and then you never do yogg+0 again or they're attached to something like immortal where 24 people have to grasp how to walk in a slightly curved line so you can get the stupid achievement)

    • @treeaboo
      @treeaboo Рік тому

      @@icannotbeseenHonestly doing Yogg+0 every week, rolling the mount and winning with a 100 is how it should be. Especially if you're doing Ulduar in Phase 3. Not sure what guilds can't do Yogg+0 at this point, we were doing it with 1 tank for months until he had to quit, then were doing it without a raid lead and with 2 new tanks that hadn't done 0 lights before, all in Phase 2 and we're not exactly tryhard.
      You're right about the tenders, no way there won't be increasingly more ways to buy them for real money on the shop, even if it is in combination with other shop purchases.

    • @Dropsey818
      @Dropsey818 Рік тому

      @@assboi honestly why would they amalgamate the actual shop into the trading post, the trading post is stuff you earn in game, the mediv set was in the shop NOT the trading post, there is literally no news about items in the trading post costing real money, you can farm gold in wow very easy and convert that into your local currency on your blizz account which is cool, i paid for my Diablo 4 with my wow gold, people who hate on the shop are usually mount collectors, they are mad they cant get the mount achievs without buying mounts from the shop to complete achievs,

  • @Nicholas7137
    @Nicholas7137 Рік тому +12

    I subscribed when you said the, "remember, im bald, use that agianst me" bit lmfao

  • @iiarskii
    @iiarskii Рік тому +17

    2 years ago when I started playing Osrs for the first time the adventure paths is exactly what got me to understand the game perfectly now 2 years later and I have about 1000 hours in the game and I’m still going

    • @MK_ULTRA420
      @MK_ULTRA420 10 місяців тому

      As a pretend Zamorak Follower, I give new players just enough free stuff and gp to keep them playing long enough for the addiction to set in ;)

  • @ElysianAura
    @ElysianAura Рік тому +176

    I think I'd love to see another triple head to head, maybe RuneScape 3, Elder Scrolls Online and something else?

  • @wiggen2149
    @wiggen2149 Рік тому +13

    My personal favorite on-boarding was Dungeon and Dragons Online (DDO). A brief tutorial dungeon where you assist a higher level party, putting you on an island that has been cut off from the mainland by a dragon. Only new accounts are seen on the island, you can group or run solo. After completing a questline, culminating in helping that same group defeat the dragon, you enter the "true" version of the island that anyone can travel to, now reconnected to the mainland. A key part is that you can skip the questline if you are experience, allowing you to join the game directly, but can still do the quests.

    • @Vengerin
      @Vengerin Рік тому

      Also, there are a lot of free quests, Standing stones made free a bunch of new classes and races, they give codes to get most of the paid adventures packs very often and some of the big expansions, you can unlock a ton of shit playing (store points, new races, new classes, veteran level...) and while the years weight heavy on the graphic engine, the mechanics, classes, dungeons and raids compensate it. Also events are really fun like Halloween, Risia, Mimic hunt, the kobolds one... One of my favorites mmos, always installed on my pc and I'm always tackling new content. Like soon the Vecna mini-expansion.

  • @fissionphoenix4995
    @fissionphoenix4995 Рік тому +44

    Old School and RS3 are both available on the Jagex launcher really easily but that's assuming you want to create a jagex account first... which I assume is actually going to be the preferred option moving forward as it's (supposedly) better account security.

    • @Grog
      @Grog Рік тому +1

      As a veteran OSRS player I just noticed this the other day 😅

    • @kelseycochrane3103
      @kelseycochrane3103 Рік тому +3

      i switched over with no real issues. the authenticator is fucking annoying though.@@Grog

    • @LilacMonarch
      @LilacMonarch Рік тому +1

      iirc they said they're going to soon make it mandatory

    • @MagiaErebea028
      @MagiaErebea028 Рік тому +1

      Yep all my characters for both games right there in the little drop down window it’s great

    • @Wishkeyn
      @Wishkeyn Рік тому +2

      As a new player I don't see why you wouldn't start with a jagex account. As an older player I definitely felt very hesitant to make one, but did eventually. And well its a lot more covenient especially when playing both of them at the same time.

  • @sookooya6255
    @sookooya6255 Рік тому +3

    Getting in FFXIV can be a little difficult for two main factors.
    1. The beginning story is pretty slow.
    2. The game doesn’t tell you a lot on how to go about playing the game.
    It’s 100% feasible to play FFXIV alone, but it’s not recommended because player interaction plays a big part in helping you learn the game. My recommendation for getting into the game is to either hit up some friends who already play the game and go through it with them to keep you company, or join a Free Company.
    Even if anyone reading this is a shy person, I cannot stress enough that joining a FC has many benefits like making friends, finding people who will help you, and getting buffs just from being in a FC.
    Also I cannot recommend joining the Novice Network because of how much it varies from server to server. On one server the Novice Network may be very helpful, but on another it may be vile, so if you’re insistent on joining one then maybe go to the FFXIV Reddit and ask people what the Novice Network on your server is like before joining.
    Lastly, there is a lot of text in this game because well, it’s a Final Fantasy game. There’s going to be a lot of reading. If you want to skip through the story and review it later, that’s always an option since New Game+ exists to allow players to replay the main story and some side quests.

    • @myxini
      @myxini Рік тому

      LOL, my NN on Adamantoise isn't too bad, I have honestly talked to some very helpful people and even been gifted equipment when I was struggling. Then again sometimes It's a hellhole of drama. Depends what day you log in. I've heard some others are terrible though. It's been useful for times when my FC or friends were not online to ask questions.

  • @MissMarvel_
    @MissMarvel_ Рік тому +3

    They are changing where new players go after the tutorial in WoW. Once Dragonflight is over, it'll become the new player expansion instead of BFA. It's a much more friendly introduction to the game, with its own contained story (unlike BFA, where you are thrust into a long-ongoing war) and it'll lead smoothly into the following expansion once the new player gets to the level required for it.
    The actual expansion previous to Dragonflight, uhh... was not even on Azeroth. So they kept BFA as the new player expansion, since it's at least on our world.

    • @Dropsey818
      @Dropsey818 Рік тому

      chromie time exists, your not thrust into anything you have choice, so many people here are dumb asf,

  • @chasing1ogic
    @chasing1ogic Рік тому +14

    I love the subtle joke with the empty Golden Gnome stand in the background.

  • @Quiiescent
    @Quiiescent Рік тому +55

    Just wanna say - super high quality video. Love your tone, delivery, editing, pacing. Independent of the topic, I think you’re doing great stylistically. Hope you’re able to keep making videos and you continue to get traction :)

    • @Savoritas
      @Savoritas Рік тому

      I never understood why you'd build gameplay investment through the amount of buttons to press instead of making those buttons fun to use in the first place.
      Guildwars 2s done a great job on that.

  • @greywitchleila
    @greywitchleila Рік тому +135

    Longtime FFXIV player here. One thing I'll say is that you do NOT have to do every yellow quest. That's how you get burnout. This isn't like WoW where doing quests is the main way to progress where the goal is to end up raiding. You get more than enough experience doing MSQ and your job quests.
    As for the text dumps? Idk if anyone actually reads them. And as for complaints about VA, you have to realize that section of the game was made in less than 2 years after the utter failure that was 1.0. It's a miracle that FFXIV 2.0 ended up in as good a state as it did. As you get further in expansions you will get more VA and more impressive cutscenes, but the earlier stuff was made under much different conditions than anything more recent.

    • @litchtheshinigami8936
      @litchtheshinigami8936 11 місяців тому +4

      this.. i'm relatively new and apart from bigger storybeats i really didn't care for most of the early story ahah. the big bad guy fight was interesting.. now i'm in the part after that and i'm just crying cuz i want the interesting part ahah

    • @nayshine7875
      @nayshine7875 10 місяців тому +10

      I’ve noticed that as a newer FFXIV player. All my pals have been playing for a while and they’ve just kept telling me to get through realm reborn and I thought it was gonna be another game where “it gets better at hour 100 I swear bro” but it actually does get better surprisingly

    • @lithrean739
      @lithrean739 10 місяців тому

      Came into the comments to say exactly this, so just giving this a thumbs up instead!

    • @jaydunna2645
      @jaydunna2645 10 місяців тому +1

      "This isn't like WoW where doing quests is the main way to progress where the goal is to end up raiding." what? lol

    • @pawkeshup
      @pawkeshup 10 місяців тому +1

      Also, you have to account for the fact that the early quests were meant for both returning 1.0 players and new players, so they really had a rough go trying to put it all together. They've worked on it a lot over the years because they don't want to just remove it and redo it like other games, but I really think they should. It's the weakest part of the game by far.

  • @Dazahkin
    @Dazahkin Рік тому +5

    You didnt try SWTOR? you're missing out on some quality MmoRPG experience.

  • @danielruivocosta6417
    @danielruivocosta6417 Рік тому +3

    Maaan, I would love to see you doing this tipe of video for other MMOs, like Guild Wars 2, Elder Scrolls Online and EVE Online. It would be nice to see if the less know MMOs have a better experience for new players then those famous ones. Great video!

  • @avagardra
    @avagardra Рік тому +25

    it's very weird how mmo retention seemed so much higher back in the day when they deffinitely were more arcane. i think back then the incentive to play just to hang out was higher, and now new players sort of have the sword of Damocles over their head, expecting them to understand enough to raid someday.

    • @cynthiahembree3957
      @cynthiahembree3957 Рік тому +9

      Because back in the day we didn't have social media. You don't need to play an MMO to socialize with people online anymore.

    • @normalmighty
      @normalmighty Рік тому +5

      @@cynthiahembree3957 Yeah, I had spent weeks playing runescape back in the day without doing any content besides killing cows in Lumbridge. 90% of the time was spent on the novelty of seeing and interacting with real people in the game.

    • @Melodeath00
      @Melodeath00 Рік тому +6

      @@cynthiahembree3957That's just not true. We had all kinds of online chat rooms and things like multiplayer flash games with integrated chats way before WoW or RS. Ventrilo and Teamspeak were a thing.
      MSN was also huuuuuge all throughout the 2000s until it eventually was made obsolete by the Facebook chat function (which was functionally worse than MSN in every way possible).

    • @cynthiahembree3957
      @cynthiahembree3957 Рік тому +6

      @@Melodeath00 Except none of these were mainstream. Facebook, Instagram and Twitter hadn't been created yet. And those chatrooms you mentioned weren't used by a lot of people outside of gaming. It was incredibly niche. So my statement still stands social media wasn't mainstream and accessible to everyone.

    • @Melodeath00
      @Melodeath00 Рік тому +4

      @@cynthiahembree3957 MSN wasn't any more obscure in 2002 than Facebook was in 2012. It was used by everybody, including the hardcore anti-nerds and tech illiterates.
      Was probably different for the older generations and in other places of the world, but for my generation growing up back then (born 92 in rural Norway), it sure was the case.
      Your memory of the mid 2000s sounds more like the mid-late 90s to me.

  • @kennysalty6019
    @kennysalty6019 Рік тому +81

    Runescape's Adventure Path System is honestly great, and the only thing I can immediately think of for it to do is guide you along some of the beginner quests, like a Quester Path. Have it take players through some of the original quests from launch, Start with Cooks Assistant and cap it off with Demon Slayer since that's a bigger deal of a quest.

    • @Boogerdick69
      @Boogerdick69 Рік тому +1

      You mean dragon slayer? Demon slayer literally is nothing

    • @kennysalty6019
      @kennysalty6019 Рік тому +24

      @@Boogerdick69 Considering it's supposed to be for brand new players, capping it off at slaying an ancient demon that intends to level a city, regardless of how easy it is, seems like a great starting point, and doing the other five quests that came out first alongside Demon Slayer would show new players many of the different things they can expect from quests. From the fetch-y type stuff of Cooks Assistant and Restless Ghost, to the more story and dialogue based quests like Romeo and Juliet, and the more combat and boss focused quests like Demon Slayer. It would really show everything that makes a runescape quest over-all, as well as making sure the player knows that quests vary greatly in how big, or small, they are.

    • @Dyers69
      @Dyers69 Рік тому +6

      @@Boogerdick69 Considering the other paths cap out at 20 something that recommends 15 combat lvl seems more appropriate than Dragon Slayer which recommends lvl 45.

    • @Boogerdick69
      @Boogerdick69 Рік тому

      @@kennysalty6019 like you said "start"
      the original comment say "cap it off" meaning end it. Needs to be capped off with dragon slayer an started with demon slayer

    • @JustSilen
      @JustSilen Рік тому +5

      @@Boogerdick69 Unless you are trolling hard, you're missing the point. The adventure path system is a built-in tutorial and for a quest path to "end" at demon slayer would be perfectly reasonable. The other paths "end" relatively early on as well, because the paths are a sort of tutorial in the first place, they are not meant to hold your hand throughout the entire game, they are an introduction to the variety of things you can do in oldschool runescape. If you "end" the path with dragon slayer, the hardest free-to-play quest there is with highest requirements, you're not doing a tutorial, you're doing a full guide on how to play the game. Why not "cap it off" with theatre of blood at that point eh? Or maybe Tombs of Amascut? Desert treasure 2? A tutorial guide is for new players and the rest should be left up to player exploration, not hand holding. Besides, that's what the activity advisor is for, it continues recommending quests all the way to late-game, because it's a very soft suggestion for people who feel lost.

  • @AsheOfAx
    @AsheOfAx Рік тому +103

    I’m so proud of Idyl! He’s gone from copying J1mmy to copying Josh Strife Hayes! /s

  • @michaelturner2806
    @michaelturner2806 Рік тому +1

    I'm only halfway through, and I expected a lot of negativity from the title and thumbnail, but I appreciate you actually listing off the things you like and being nuanced about the things you felt didn't hit right. I'm glad I was rewarded for taking a chance hoping this wasn't a "urg everything sucks and is bad" video.

  • @ChrisWhiton
    @ChrisWhiton Рік тому +4

    I hope SNHU's game design program has improved since I was there. I was the first graduating class of that degree and it was almost entirely run by adjunct professors that had no actual experience in the industry. We learned to teach ourselves, which has been an invaluable skill - but I do still feel cheated by the lack of industry connections and lack of having any sort of advisor when it comes to actually moving into the industry post graduation. (I was very frankly surprised to see it advertised on UA-cam lol)

  • @Voxrar
    @Voxrar Рік тому +130

    FFXIV has always been stated as, and holds true to this "It is a Final Fantasy game first, and an MMO second."

    • @woodchipper2256
      @woodchipper2256 4 місяці тому +1

      Last time I checked real Final Fantasy games were fully voice acted

    • @rezomusic3044
      @rezomusic3044 4 місяці тому +16

      ​@woodchipper2256 So FF 1-9 just aren't real then? FF has covered many genres and styles. Voice acting has nothing to do with it.

    • @woodchipper2256
      @woodchipper2256 4 місяці тому +3

      @@rezomusic3044no but 10, 12, 13, 13-2 13-3 sure were. And 15. And 16. You’re just being a smartass lmao. We both know older FF games would have been voice acted if the necessary compression technology existed back that

    • @Robemax_
      @Robemax_ 4 місяці тому +6

      @@woodchipper2256 you're the one being a smartass actually, you expect every single cutscene and dialogue box in the game to be voice acted? which would probably take the developers multiple years to do and most likely leave the va's with ptsd of recording booths, why don't you go tell that to wow maybe they'd be willing to

    • @SeikeKyu
      @SeikeKyu 4 місяці тому

      ​@@woodchipper2256You are the missleading smart-ass here. FFX, FFX-2, FFXII, FFXIII, FFXIII-2, and FFXIII:Lighting Returns all have massive quantities of text of reading in them to get the full story. FFX, FFX-2 and FFXII are littered with NPCs that provide lore and story critical information through text only. FFXIII, FFXIII-2 and FFXIII:Lighting Returns are extremely codex heavy to the point to where they can be enjoyed without it, but there is so much to be gained if you do read the codex entries. Like FFXIII is amost peek world building and story telling, a real fucked situation. A lot of it comes from the codex entries unfortunately, which is easily missed since the codex entries are rewards for finding things and completing challenges. If you heavily relay on voiced cutscenes with FFXIII in English, then you set yourself to have a rougher time since there were rewrites and retranslations as voice overs were underway. None of the voice overs issues in English were ever fixed by the way. Unfortunately FFXIII finds itself with an issue, because even if you added a ton of NPCs to tell you all the information contained within the codex, it would've been a worse way to deliver the info then through the codex. And a lot of it can't really be shown either, the best way to deliver the info was really to tell. FFXIII-2 was also codex heavy, this time with the mog toss added for good messure. It's not as good, actually it is the weakest of the three entries. FFXIII:Lighting Returns also has it's own codexs that aid in the story telling. Now granted, FFXIII really didn't need it's sequels, it is actually better as a stand alone, but the sequels aren't terrible either. Understand too that the codex is absolutely crucial to understanding the greater narrative of FFXIII. Thankfully it is all contained within the base game.
      As for FFXV, it was so cross-media that it was all over the place. Additionally we will never get the full story since story crucial DLC was canceled mid way through post production. To get the full story of FFXV, it is required that you purchase and watch external media and read in order certain chapters from a book while playing the game and paid dlcs at certain intervals to get the full intacted story.
      FFXVI is complete from purchase, with the rising tides DLC being an add on. However, as an FF game, FFXVI was mid for most things about it. Combat was excellent, but everything else left me with a desire for something better.
      Out of all you listed only one of the games didn't require reading to get the full picture. Even if two of the titles are fully voiced for info, one still requires external offical cannon sources to be read to get everything for it.
      I will also say this from experience, having voice acting in a game can be a detractor towards the game. Having poor voice direction or having a voice that doesn't fit a character will always detract from my experience over just reading the same text at my own pace. If your brain shuts off because a lack of voice acting, then that is a you problem and not a game issue. If I can get more to read in text form over having less story voiced for me to listen to, then I will 100% choose to have the text format every time. Text takes less file space than voice over anyways, more storylines and plot threads to mull over for a smaller file size. Win-Win honestly.

  • @VerboseSparrow
    @VerboseSparrow Рік тому +70

    Hearing "not needing to pay anything extra to create new characters" really reminded me about how weird runescape is in that way

    • @hauddubius3706
      @hauddubius3706 Рік тому +23

      True, then again, RuneScape is classless so you're not locked into being a mage or an archer or a warrior. And you can change your appearance any time you like just by going to the makeover mage. So really the only time you'd want to make a new character is try one or more of the ironman modes. Whereas WoW locks you into the class, and iirc also locks in your appearance so change to a different class you'll need to create a new character. But that is offset by not having to pay extra for that new character.

    • @QuickFlixDailyyy
      @QuickFlixDailyyy Рік тому

      good point@@hauddubius3706

  • @Madison-ur2qn
    @Madison-ur2qn Рік тому +73

    You get told about the class switch mechanic a little later on in FFXIV. Most things in that game are gated through the MSQ (main story quest) like a single-player game. I think it’s around level 20 they tell you to visit other guilds and try other classes, and when you unlock that first new class, you are given the pop up on how it works. All you need to do is switch your weapon!

    • @greywitchleila
      @greywitchleila Рік тому +17

      You get told after the level 10 job quest for the job you start out as.

    • @michaelkpate
      @michaelkpate Рік тому +16

      10 - you can switch to a different class
      15 - you travel to the other cities, unlock the Hall of the Novice, and get the first 3 dungeons (or later if you have all the leveling buffs in place)

    • @Anonymous-tp5qg
      @Anonymous-tp5qg Рік тому +1

      Or save equipment loadouts on your character menu to automaticaly re-equip your last saved loadout.

    • @SpartanWarrior76
      @SpartanWarrior76 Рік тому +1

      Only reason why I didn't stay with FF 14 is because I love housing in all mmos and I'm not playing lottery with housing. Seriously stupidest thing I have seen for such a huge and successful game. All housing should be available to everyone.

    • @greywitchleila
      @greywitchleila Рік тому

      @@SpartanWarrior76 eh housing is pretty available nowadays, especially on my dc. like half the wards are empty.

  • @fairamir1
    @fairamir1 Рік тому +8

    Most new games are confusing in the beginning when you first start playing. Each game has its own format. Just gotta give enough time to learn and get used to them.

    • @Dropsey818
      @Dropsey818 Рік тому

      sad to say everyone wants to have their hand held, bunch of whimps

    • @cattysplat
      @cattysplat Рік тому

      @@Dropsey818 MMO players have wanted every MMO to be World of Warcraft for almost 20 years now.

  • @NaturesBetter
    @NaturesBetter Рік тому +23

    RuneScape has the best quest lines of any games ever. Some of the best content in the game, yet it is skipped by many as the game just never ends and will consume your life. But read through the quest stories! Very interesting stuff going on in Old School RuneScape!

    • @Audio041194
      @Audio041194 Рік тому +1

      Maybe, they are cool the first time but as far as story goes, they are on par with Adventure Quest, which is okay but nothing stellar. WoW actually had better writing because it needed to. Best story telling in an mmo has to be SWTOR since it takes after one of the best RPG's ever launched.

    • @eliascarlsson2624
      @eliascarlsson2624 Рік тому

      Or maybe the fact that the visuals looks it was one of the first ever made games

    • @shanescott3166
      @shanescott3166 11 місяців тому +1

      ​@@eliascarlsson2624you must not know what the early games actually used to look like.

  • @Shteven
    @Shteven Рік тому +16

    19:16 Not to the extent you did, but I also had this issue in Lost Arc, there are some places which are so outright confusing that trying to decipher where you're supposed to go takes legit 5 minutes of staring at the map and trying to figure out which path actually takes you to where you want to go. Thankfully this only happened in a few areas and wasn't a constant struggle.

  • @flameknightdragon
    @flameknightdragon Рік тому +29

    WoW's biggest issue is starting people in BFA. not only is it just assumed that the PC was one of the people in the campions of Azeroth aka the heroes that have beaten all the big bads in WoW. but they cut out the prepatch event that started the war aka the horde was at peace with the alliance until they decided to make the night elves an almost extinct people and literally burned their home to the ground. This removed all the context from that expansions plot and honestly it drops people into what is considered the worst era Of WoW's story telling.

    • @deckofcardboard
      @deckofcardboard Рік тому +2

      Blizzard can't make a smooth experience for new players. They're a company that cares so little for storytelling that they give their old players PTSD from the previous expansion "Shadowlands" and while the game design department apologizes the writers joke about forgetting major unresolved plot points {"what sword?"}. Maybe they can joke AFTER they fix things.

    • @icannotbeseen
      @icannotbeseen Рік тому +3

      @deckofcardboard hey at least they pretend shadowlands doesn't exist and send new people to BfA instead!

    • @icannotbeseen
      @icannotbeseen Рік тому +1

      they should probably add a fresh new player experience to every expansion that ties *directly* into the expansion with nothing before it. make up a bit of story why you, the newbie, is suddenly important.
      I mean, that would require them to start new people (at least the first character) on a higher level and introduce skills like they do with DKs for example to not completely overwhelm people but also make it possible to level to max in current content.
      further characters could start at level 1. I mean, is that weird? probably? but that way they can still experience the old stuff without having to intentionally do, dunno, Durotar on a level 70 character which really only achievement hunters would want to do. (ie completely devalue old zones)
      it's probably a really dumb idea but wow's levelling is so messed up I couldn't even begin to figure out a proper fix to the new player problem without starting world development from scratch.
      For the record, BfA is not worse than Shadowlands. it would be so messed up to send people THERE first.

    • @flameknightdragon
      @flameknightdragon Рік тому +1

      @@icannotbeseen issue is they are not pretending shadowlands never happened. Heck the green dragon flight's has major parts dealing with shadowlands.

    • @flameknightdragon
      @flameknightdragon Рік тому +2

      @@icannotbeseen they really should have made exile's reach not tied into BFA. make is to at the end of it you do take out a major threat and save not general or other high ranking leader from this threat. that would be a good way to do the "heroes" and "champion" thing, and combed BFA and SL when i was making that statement. Legion should have been when the faction war nonsense ended. really going from legion to dragon flight would have been narratively better then the stupid faction war and afterlife BS.

  • @Melficzeero
    @Melficzeero Рік тому +17

    The trading post in wow actually isn't (yet) a micro transaction shop, the currency is purely earned through gameplay

    • @VideoAggression
      @VideoAggression Рік тому +1

      they have already begun selling the currency in bundles. i can guarantee that is a test as companies like that always do. one day, they will sell it direct. the fomo nature of the trading post is set up too perfect not to sell it.

    • @alistillwell1592
      @alistillwell1592 Рік тому

      I believe he is probably referring to wow retail and not classic.

  • @gama2064
    @gama2064 Рік тому +1

    You left out my personal favorite, Guild Wars 2, so I am sadly going to have to call you Baldy McBald 😔

  • @LandonTristen
    @LandonTristen Місяць тому +2

    Yeah ok but final fantasy 14 doesn’t milk money for gear the way other MMOS do. It’s simple. You buy the expansion and pay for a subscription, and you get EVERYTHING included with all the resources you need. The intent of the game is longevity.

  • @harrylane4
    @harrylane4 Рік тому +50

    As someone whose favorite game of all time is ff14… yeah, the first 10 hours of the game are rough and could use a serious overhaul. They made some changes to that first expansion, but they should have focused on cutting down those first 15 levels or so, up to the first dungeon.
    Also yeah, gridania is incredibly confusing, that’s a pretty common issue and the fact that those cities were designed to be one continuous location and then got split in 2 later, it is incredibly difficult to learn your way around. I continued to get lost in Limsa Lominsa for a long, long time. Game isn’t perfect, but I love it stoll

    • @Maybe_Tom_Cruise
      @Maybe_Tom_Cruise Рік тому +16

      FF14 is fantastic. Just the first couple minutes of this video made me want to play again. I haven't been on in years. I think it's time to hop back in.
      I agree that the beginning of the game was brutal, at least when I did it. Idk if it's the same now. It takes quite a long time to get through all the early fetch quests and get far enough in that you get to fun more complex combat and quests. I feel like there must be a lot of players that quit out during the boring early sections before it gets really fun.

    • @harrylane4
      @harrylane4 Рік тому +3

      @@Maybe_Tom_Cruise ARR got an overhaul a few years ago, but it was mostly focused on trimming down those brutal 2.X patches. Most of the very early game stuff went entirely untouched.
      The game is in a decent state right now, the base story current expansion was really good, and wrapped up a lot of the plot, and they’re getting ready for 7.0 in the next year or so. Admittedly, I’m biased, but there’s ever a time to get back in and catch up, it’s now!

    • @Maybe_Tom_Cruise
      @Maybe_Tom_Cruise Рік тому +3

      @@harrylane4 Yeah, I've been out for quite a while. The last raids I remember doing were I think the savage Omega raids? I think the stormblood expansion was my last. I probably haven't been on since 2018. I didn't get bored as much as I just didn't have time to raid for a while, and that's what I really wanted to do, and after a while off, I never hopped back on. I have some more time now, though, and I'm pretty hyped to get back into now, though not gonna lie. 😂 I'm looking forward to trying out all the new classes and smashing through some new content.

    • @AwesomeAim
      @AwesomeAim Рік тому +3

      I still get lost in the main cities at times. Especially uldah. It makes me feel like a new player every time I'm scouring the map for where something is lol

    • @freerice9595
      @freerice9595 Рік тому +1

      ​@MrShmeaton My friend talked so highly of FF14 so I downloaded it and tried it for the first time maybe 6 months ago.
      I didn't make it past the intro cutscenes. I was so unbelievably bored out of my mind I Uninstalled the game after 30 minutes.
      I really don't care about lore or background or story arc etc. I just want to play an mmo. I want to grind. Achieve things. Be competitive. Make friends.
      I'm sure im one of many players who quit without even trying the game because of how awful the beginning was.
      I loved final fantasy tactics and ff 12 on ps2 but any ff I played newer than that I just can't get into.

  • @mepluspie
    @mepluspie Рік тому +13

    Would love to see you do this again with another batch of MMOs. It’d be fun to see Wizard101 in the bunch. And new world now that it isn’t as new.

    • @tylerarnettay4144
      @tylerarnettay4144 Рік тому

      Yes I would love to see Wizard101 on this list

    • @Audio041194
      @Audio041194 Рік тому +1

      Is that game actually still kicking? I never played it but had a friend that did.

    • @mepluspie
      @mepluspie Рік тому

      @@Audio041194 wizard101 still exists, it gets seasonal updates. some riddled in micro transactions, and some good content/QOL. No idea on new world, I’m on the same boat as you which is why I thought it’d be interesting since it fell off a cliff

  • @rasmachris94
    @rasmachris94 Рік тому +4

    The new wow player experience;
    You're on a boat as a recruit, you arrive on an island, kill some harpies, trolls and a dragon.
    An hour later your in the main city hub being called the champion of that faction and sent off to war.
    You go to war and instead of fighting other factions fight corrupt officials, eldritch creatures and witches.
    You hit 60.
    You're then immediately sent to the land of the dead or the the dragon isles.
    You quest there until you hit 70 and then you have to learn;
    Raid mechanics and prep
    m+ mechanics/affixes
    PVP
    Rep farming
    How gear works and what stats you need on that gear
    Crafting systems specifically introduced in DF
    Do world quests, weeklies, daylies
    Unlock world traversal with dragonflying tokens that you have to farm
    Learn your rotation to be effective
    Have different talents for single and AOE targets for raid and M+ separately
    And this is just stuff off of the top of my head.
    This is why blizz are bleeding out. You have so much to learn and it's introduced way too late into the game.
    The 1-60 experience will teach you avoiding AOES, basic skill rotations, equipping gear, inventory management, cost of death and some other basic mechanics.
    The bulk of what you'll be playing the game for is in the last 10-20% and the learning curve becomes a cliff you have to climb.
    This is compounded by what stage you join the game at.
    If you join in a 10.2 or 10.3 patch you'll be behind everyone else who has been playing since day 1 and will be met with hostility for not knowing mechanics because you're new and they either expect you to have played the game for the past 21 years, or to have played since that expansions release.

  • @Luke-2153
    @Luke-2153 Рік тому +1

    Forget the games, dance montage is the highlight

  • @morganm.8864
    @morganm.8864 Рік тому +4

    The MMO that I play is Guild Wars 2, I would be curious to see your thoughts on its new player experience

  • @thatrandomguy12123
    @thatrandomguy12123 Рік тому +152

    As a hardcore FFXIV fan, I will say that your ability to enjoy it will change based on what you're wanting from it. Final Fantasy XIV is an MMO, but it was designed to be a Final Fantasy game first, and MMO second, so a lot of the weirdness you got from how the story is presented might be due to that since the storytelling style of the average MMO and the average JRPG are so different.

    • @RickNasty42069YOLO
      @RickNasty42069YOLO Рік тому

      Nah the game is just shit.

    • @poisonated7467
      @poisonated7467 Рік тому +9

      That's arguably a problem. MMORPGs weren't designed to be some other game first. Nor were they meant to be main story driven either. It's where modern MMOs differ from older MMORPGs. MMOs lost the RPG. In FFXIV, you don't feel like an adventurer making your way in the world. You feel like the main character saving a planet that you're forced to care about because.... its a main quest??? It simply just doesn't work well in the genre. The world needs to be the main character and you're experiencing it the way your character would along with friends you begin with or create along the way. That's an RPG. Which, again, FFXIV is just an MMO, not an MMORPG.

    • @thatrandomguy12123
      @thatrandomguy12123 Рік тому +62

      @@poisonated7467 I completely disagree. FFXIV being an RPG first is the reason why it's become as loved as it is today. Modern MMOs losing the RPG is arguably the reason why so many fall off before they can even hit their stride, because far too many focus on being massively multiplayer before being an enjoyable game, while FFXIV went the opposite route. Just because it's not traditional for a MMORPG to be main story driven doesn't mean that it's a bad route to take, FFXIV is proof of that considering it is currently the most played MMO on the market right now. While I can understand the want to just be "another adventuter", the FFXIV devs clearly understood that so many other MMOs go that route, while rarely do they do the opposite. If you want to be just another adventurer making their way, then there's 50 MMOs you could play instead. It also doesn't ask that you care about the main quest just because it's the main quest. You care because of the characters, which often have as much depth as you'll get in a fullscale single-player experience, with characters like Emet-Selch and Zenos genuinely being some of the most well-written antagonists I've ever wanted to punch.

    • @poisonated7467
      @poisonated7467 Рік тому +1

      @@thatrandomguy12123I dont disagree that FFXIV is very popular, but tbf, it's popular among modern MMO gamers who haven't played anything but the WoW clone. FFXIV is a WoW clone. The design and philosophy behind both are basically identical or as close as can be. While there are 50 other MMOs that don't take the MSQ, you still dont feel like an adventurer for multiple other reasons.
      Caring about the MSQ because of the characters is no different from caring about the MSQ because it's the MSQ IN THE BEGINNING. Why should I care about those characters? Because they're in the MSQ. My character has no real other reason, in the beginning, to care. They aren't my party members like a D&D campaign, or an oldschool MMORPG dungeon. They aren't my guildmates either.
      Equating the MSQ and it's characters to a "fullscale single-player experience" is the problem. It's the problem with all modern MMOs. They are trying to force a single-player experience in a genre where it fundamentally doesn't fit. If you want a solo style game, that's what single-player RPGs are for. MMORPGs are about very minimal solo activity, lots of group activity, socializing within said group, class, zone, guild, race, alignment, etc., and about having the world itself be the main character that you experience through all the systems of the game with others at least vaguely with them if not directly with them. Solo play is causing a lot of the problems within modern MMOs.

    • @thatrandomguy12123
      @thatrandomguy12123 Рік тому +40

      @@poisonated7467 Alright, so I find a few issues with your argument. First, the argument that it's only popular with people who haven't played WoW is asinine beyond belief, considering that it recieved and still enjoys a massive surge of players from the WoW exodus. Hell, most of the biggest FFXIV content creators on this platform are former WoW players who grew disillusioned with Blizzard and their game. FFXIV being a WoW clone holds about as much water as WoW being a Runescape clone, or Runescape being a Neverwinter Nights clone, the only real similarity between them being that they're all MMORPGs.
      I don't see how caring about the characters in the MSQ is some backwards thing considering that's how literally every story ever written was. You keep talking about how solo play is causing problems in MMOs, yet you fail to actually bring a single problem into the conversation. It honestly seems like you just have a "different = bad" mentality. If you want a MMORPG that has "very minimal solo activity, lots of group activity, socializing within said group, class, zone, guild, race, alignment, etc. and about having the world itself be the main character" then go and play one like WoW or Runescape, clearly FFXIV isn't for you.

  • @ntplusofficial
    @ntplusofficial 11 місяців тому +14

    0:03 No, it was showing you videos about MMOs dying because you were preparing a video literally titled that "it did not go well" and the algorithm picked up on that.

    • @meta8756
      @meta8756 3 місяці тому +5

      No, they are quite literally dying. Basic stats will show you this information. Just because you still play it doesn’t mean they are alive.

    • @ntplusofficial
      @ntplusofficial 3 місяці тому

      ​@@meta8756 Gonna be honest my dude, I'm not interested in debating your rhetoric over a 7 month old comment.

    • @meta8756
      @meta8756 3 місяці тому +5

      @@ntplusofficial okay my dude

    • @Zoretsu
      @Zoretsu 3 місяці тому

      @@ntplusofficialNAAAAA LIL BRO COME BACK OVER HERE FOR SOME TEA 😂

  • @cameronwyatt9467
    @cameronwyatt9467 Рік тому +7

    FFXIV is my favorite game of all time but the new player experience is hinestly kind of trash if you dont know anyone who plays the game.

  • @evanjohnson4559
    @evanjohnson4559 Рік тому +2

    6:00 “but RuneScape and OldSchool RuneScape are using completely separate launchers”
    6:10 cuts to the Jagex launcher where the option to switch between RS3 and OSRS is literally in the same place as WoW

  • @ashleyanne2056
    @ashleyanne2056 Рік тому +2

    I really want to see one of these type of videos on your experience with Guild Wars 2

  • @Telepath100
    @Telepath100 Рік тому +75

    Hold up, is 9Rain short or is Idyl actually a giant?

  • @Ewwch
    @Ewwch Рік тому +56

    The beginning of FFXIV is a drag for new people, especially with people with low attention spans lol. It was hard for me to go through A Realm Reborn but hearing all the FFXIV fans saying amazing things about Shadowbringers, it helped me push through the game. I was able to set myself a goal to reach Shadowbringers which allowed me to experience one of the grandest stories of all time.

    • @rancorusia
      @rancorusia Рік тому +3

      taking your word for it, just started Heavensward and hate these maps with a passion lol

    • @DC-sh6xk
      @DC-sh6xk 11 місяців тому +2

      Shoot once Heavensward started (and even halfway through a RRB) the story got way better. I mean I get the boring start, they have to lay the ground work of so much stuff 😅

    • @cassidyreid5059
      @cassidyreid5059 11 місяців тому +1

      ;-; I've tried so many times, but I couldn't keep my interest! Maybe one day... haha

    • @chillhour6155
      @chillhour6155 5 місяців тому +1

      How do you get passed the bad voice acting and ugly character model's interactions ?

    • @ggggg77273
      @ggggg77273 4 місяці тому

      It's a drag for people who want to play video games instead of reading generic boring fantasy slop.

  • @Kris_Toffer
    @Kris_Toffer Рік тому +9

    I think youre the perfect person to review new player experience for skipping textboxes. Nobody really reads those.

    • @Dropsey818
      @Dropsey818 Рік тому

      he just needs to learn the difference between the in game shop and the trading post, because hes confusing it,

  • @grygaming5519
    @grygaming5519 Рік тому +1

    Honestly I will implore everyone just to watch Preach's video over this. Its called "I Played 10,000 Hours of MMOs - What YOU Shouldn’t Do". Boy howdy did Idyl break every single rule in this video on trying to give his opinion. Assuming most if not all games play like your previous MMO is a sure way to not enjoy the dip into a new MMO. So to those who are looking for a new home...go look up Preach's vid you'll save yourself a lot of headaches.

  • @TheTolnoc
    @TheTolnoc Рік тому +2

    I was born on the same day as your FFXIV character, wow.

  • @cEighteen
    @cEighteen Рік тому +4

    As a long time WoW veteran, my honest advice for new players is to try out WoW Classic Era, get to at least level 15~, THEN try Retail WoW. the basic gameplay loop of questing will make so much more sense if you do

    • @TotallyCrazy410
      @TotallyCrazy410 Рік тому

      Even playing WotLK through would be a good option for just learning how the game works + they get some of the earlier eras and continents for a little history check!

    • @cEighteen
      @cEighteen Рік тому +2

      @@TotallyCrazy410 I guess so but wotlk kinda sucks ass

    • @max7971
      @max7971 Рік тому +1

      @@cEighteen in what world wotlk sucks compared to classic? You literally recommended the most painful route you can take: the slowest and most painful levels in vanilla, before you get any abilities and barely invested in the talent tree, and then advise them to switch to retail.
      Wtf are these takes, are you trolling?

  • @igggaming9871
    @igggaming9871 Рік тому +6

    26:04 In WoW's defense, that's not the microtransaction shop. Players get a number of points they can spend on cosmetics just for being subbed, and those points cannot be purchased with real money. (sometimes you get them as part of bundles though).

  • @danielclark6033
    @danielclark6033 Рік тому +16

    Really fun and neat video :)
    I'd like to see your take on the new player experience in Elder Scrolls Online and Guild Wars 2 👍

  • @DerortLightBringer
    @DerortLightBringer 6 місяців тому +1

    This was probably brought up before but the Trading Post in WoW is not a microtransaction shop, it is in fact a way to get cosmetics they didn't know where to put in the game with currency you can earn by doing random activities in a given month.
    Imagine it as a battle pass that you can do in an afternoon.

  • @DayleDiamond
    @DayleDiamond Рік тому

    I appreciate that you open the video by declaring your opinion authoritative. It's so much better than other people who'll spend the first five minutes preemptively apologizing before they get to the point.

  • @daroogles
    @daroogles Рік тому +18

    11:45 tbh, I love Tutorial Island as well, but the most memorable tutorials for me in RuneScape were the ones that were posed as a quest. The one that I remember the MOST, however, was helping the knight underneath Lumbridge defeat a dragon (I think?)

    • @stephenwalker4348
      @stephenwalker4348 Рік тому

      The poisoned food??

    • @daroogles
      @daroogles Рік тому

      YES! @@stephenwalker4348

    • @freerice9595
      @freerice9595 Рік тому

      I hated that quest lol but thats just my opinion.
      I remember it perfectly. Right around all the eoc changes and rs3 they revamped the tutorial. Me and my friend both tried it and we thought the rework was the stupidest thing ever. Maybe we were just stuck in our old ways though but we both highly favored the original tutorial island over the rework with the dragon fight.
      The sad situation for OSRS is that pretty much its entire playerbase is old veteran players who signed up in 2003 or sooner. So any new feature that new players may be head over heels for, old players will hate it. It's changing the game they love. So jagex has to decide on losing it's player base to bring on new players or stick to their obsolete engine and just add new bosses. The old players are guaranteed to stick around. The new players might love a new feature but who's to say they'll even commit to the game? Then osrs dies.

    • @ceshmate1953
      @ceshmate1953 Рік тому

      That's what I refer to as Runescape 2.
      The inbetween of Osrs and Rs3.
      The first time I did that dragon tutorial quest underneath lumbridge I quit the game cause I didn't understand what to do. I was still a kid then and my english wasn't perfect.

    • @ignatiushazzard
      @ignatiushazzard Рік тому

      I vaguely remember some kind of fight in lumbridge, too. Was it a dragon? Wasn't that the very first rework?

  • @wpelfeta
    @wpelfeta Рік тому +4

    Back in the day in FFXIV 1.0, the world was contiguous, so the cities were much less confusing. Now that there are loading screens it's really awkward to navigate for a new player. But you get used to it after a while. Most people just use the aetherytes to get around. I just tell people to turn off the Active Help tutorials. No one ever reads them anyway, and the game is simple enough that you shouldn't need them. I never read them when I was new, and I still haven't read them ever since.
    You do have to go into FFXIV expecting it to be a visual novel, though. There's a lot of non-voice acted quest text. The main story quest is more of a book than a game even in the later expansions, so it's best to set your expectations going in.
    I think FFXIV has the best world building in an MMO, so it's really good for role players who like immersion, it has some of the best raid designs on the level of the greats like WoW, and it has a great social community if that's your jam. So if one of those three is your preferred way to play, you'll enjoy the game. If not, there are probably better alternatives that do other aspects better.

  • @rigzgx
    @rigzgx Рік тому +10

    The beautiful thing about games like FF14 is that they are modular. The video covers a truth topic, but the player experience is overwhelming when they try to take in everything all at the same time. Even the most experienced player usually does not "do everything". Square Enix did a very unique approach that made this game pull forward from the others in the new player experience but breaking the game down into centric interests that pull the experiences down to singular developments. Story, crafting, PVP, social development, basic material and combat grinds with their own purpose, dungeon crawling, sub combat systems, job/class stories, housing, player events, raiding. Its quite impressive. Great video though, and you speak a lot of facts from the new experience.

  • @CErra310
    @CErra310 5 місяців тому +1

    In FF14 you unlock the ability to learn other classes by completing a quest, at the end of which the game tells you that you can learn other classes now. You can then unlock those classes through quests which grant a starter weapon.
    In WoW, that "microtransaction" shop is for an in-game currency that cannot be obtained with real money

  • @knowledge_leaf
    @knowledge_leaf Рік тому +1

    Don't worry, Final Fantasy 14 is half gameplay, and half movie/text dump through the entire game! Not just the tutorial.
    I just had my experienced friend guide me through it, giving me the tldr of it all.

  • @ebanker1
    @ebanker1 Рік тому +4

    WoW has some ramping up to having you be the champion of whatever allience you are a part of, but it is not very easy to do that as you need to catch up with years of gameplay through multiple expansions

    • @Dropsey818
      @Dropsey818 Рік тому +1

      no you dont lol, obviously you dont play wow

    • @ebanker1
      @ebanker1 Рік тому

      @@Dropsey818 you don't know if I do or not, but I do so you can have the wrong opinion

    • @Dropsey818
      @Dropsey818 Рік тому +1

      @@ebanker1 the fact that you say catch up through years of expansions clearly tells me you dont play because, going through years of expansions is not a thing anymore, leveling takes like 2 days if you go super slow,

  • @jeremiahcomer
    @jeremiahcomer Рік тому +11

    I think WoW Classic Era and EverQuest Project 1999 would be better introductions to the games as they were intended with the simplest design.

  • @Sad-Lesbian
    @Sad-Lesbian Рік тому +11

    Yup. You'll never see a character in FF14 that looks like yours. Especially if you made a white haired female miqo. Absolutely not.

  • @ashleyanne2056
    @ashleyanne2056 Рік тому +1

    RuneScape: tutorial island is not a thing for mobile, it is a quest

  • @NathanGehrke
    @NathanGehrke Місяць тому

    WoW zones come from different expansions, and that will usually show you the badge and art from said expansion during the loading

  • @Jonchua1
    @Jonchua1 Рік тому +3

    Final fantasy is overly complicated and VERY dull until way later. Its rewarding to learn, but there are multiple stops along the way while leveling that ruin the experience. This includes cutscenes you can't skip during dungeons, horrid default controls/UI, and really bad quest design. I feel like its very unfriendly to new players.

    • @myxini
      @myxini Рік тому

      I've found it became very rewarding when I learned the systems in more depth, and figured out how to customize the UI for my comfort. If you dont have the patience to do that it may not be the right game, I'm just weird enough that I wanted to sit down and do it.

  • @CreateAmazment
    @CreateAmazment 10 місяців тому +17

    My biggest issue with FF14 being an MMO is people go into it expecting a standard MMO when that is not at all what it is. It's a Final Fantasy game. If you go into it as a WoW, GW2, RS, etc veteran expecting something along those lines, it may be rough for you. The 10+ minute long cutscenes and 18 trillion lines of dialogue that you sometimes have to read cuz not everything is fully voiced *is* the game, the "MMO" aspect of FF14 is very much secondary. You experience the entire story by yourself only doing the occasional dungeon or trial cuz they gotta fit MMO somewhere, your character is front and center of every cutscene and event, there are no "Warriors of Light" like there are Champions of Azeroth, you are THE Warrior of Light, everyone else is just there to help *you*
    I love Final Fantasy, so ofc I love FF14, but just like all the other FF games, they're not for everyone, you have to *want* to be told a story for 90% of your time playing or else you're gonna be bored out of your mind if you skip every cutscene or dialogue because it is a Final Fantasy game first and foremost

    • @kaelinvictus6039
      @kaelinvictus6039 2 місяці тому +2

      What a roundabout way of saying "it eventually gets better after 80 hours of boredom".

  • @Ibringdoomm
    @Ibringdoomm Рік тому +9

    Longtime WoW player, recently (2022) left WoW (both retail and classic) and started playing OSRS for the first time. Now, a year and a half later, I don't think I'll be returning to my previous MMO of choice. There are so many esoteric systems in WoW which I only picked up on because they were drip-fed to me over years and years of playing the game. I don't think I would have gotten as invested in WoW if I had to learn everything all at once. OSRS had a very steep initial learning curve. If I hadn't had an IRL friend to help me on my first couple days with runescape I would not have been able to get into OSRS. I think OSRS had much fewer barriers to entry for me to get invested than WoW did. It took me a long time (from Vanilla WoW until WOtLK) to get actually good at WoW, then I was able to stay on top of WoW's learning curve and stay competitive for years. But it took years to get good. With my experience from WoW (and help from the wiki) I made it to endgame OSRS content within a year. I think OSRS is much more accessible than WoW, if nothing else. If classic WoW's playerbase wasn't so toxic, and Blizzard/Activision wasn't such a crappy company I would probably still be playing WoW. I am glad that Jagex cares at least a little bit about retaining their players, so I have one decent MMORPG to fall back on.

    • @OperGnomeKDT
      @OperGnomeKDT Рік тому

      I recently left OSRS after a year for Wow classic - We're opposites lol Ive been having a blast in classic WoW. Both have their own charms. For me im enjoying WoW cus it keeps me a bit more engaged with the action/combat - the game overall feels more alive. But, the thing I like about OSRS is you can play it with as much intensity you want, you can practically watch videos, do other things and just mindlessly gain xp in runescape which is nice and great if you're a casual player.

    • @davidfence6939
      @davidfence6939 Рік тому

      Toxic? Sounds like you have your own issues.

  • @FoxdayMusic
    @FoxdayMusic Рік тому

    The Travellers Post/Log in WoW that you visited is not a micro transaction store, you buy stuff in there from a currency you earn by playing the game - the real cash shop is in the ESC menu

  • @135791max
    @135791max Рік тому

    A comment saying you are copying j1mmy is like a comment saying j1mmy is copying nakeyjakey. There is no copyright on the "greenscreened video essay" presentation format of youtube video lol. You guy are all entertaining, funny, and informative to watch. I dislike people that want to gatekeep doing something because someone else has done it in a similar style. Also personally i think you're one of the funniest creators to do this video format.

  • @kagamine14
    @kagamine14 Рік тому +6

    I totally agree with ffxiv and it’s tutorials probably needs more depth to it. For what it is, everything is there. Now asking a player to read??? At least in the US That’s a tall order. For example, the job quests for SAGE emphasizes the need to utilize one of its core mechanics, KARDIA. In the instances the npc will literally YELL AT YOU to put kardia on them, but people just black out and ignore the chat bubbles and chat text, leading to a lot of new sages forgetting to use the mechanic in raids.
    I think we just need better reading comprehension as a whole, but until then… idk maybe the instance should just straight out fail if you don’t do it. 😢 but it may also be a result of a clashing of Japanese and American cultures. Sometimes we just need to be handheld or else we’ll complain and yell, that’s the American way

    • @AneirinRPG
      @AneirinRPG Рік тому

      American burn 😆

    • @Halicos93
      @Halicos93 Рік тому

      I'm from EU and I have the same problem as U.S I think ff14 is made for the Asian market in mind.

    • @cattysplat
      @cattysplat 3 місяці тому

      FFXIV combat is incredibly simple and most of the fight mechanics are clearly labelled with bright colors and directions. If people chose to not read the story, that's up to them but you can definitely work out how to play just by checking tooltips and practising in combat.

  • @MichaelChiklisCares
    @MichaelChiklisCares Рік тому +13

    mmos are not dying , they are just stagnant. runescape has dedicated clientele, if they dont drop dead, they play forever.

    • @normalmighty
      @normalmighty Рік тому +1

      Yeah, imo they just went down to a smaller but healthy niche once the novelty of encountering other people online became mundane. The genre will never be as massive as it once was unless all social media was shut down from the internet.

    • @Audio041194
      @Audio041194 Рік тому +1

      Statiscally the interest has gone down for them, according to many mmo content creators. fact is most people under 25 and under don't really care about mmo's. It is wild but I do hope one can come out that will grab that generation and reignite the passion for them. I don't want them slip away and become a relic of older generations, only time will tell how it will play out though.

  • @Immort4llity
    @Immort4llity Рік тому +10

    No Guild Wars 2? That's the one MMORPG which does not have any of the bullcrap. :D

  • @kynikostashasch2218
    @kynikostashasch2218 Рік тому +1

    you should try final fantasy 11; the tutorial didn't exist for decades and now it has one, it's still easy to miss; the basic starter experience is "here's a world; good luck nerd" and i loved it for that.

  • @LexiChii
    @LexiChii Рік тому +1

    him talking about wow is the exact reason why i hate what they did to the game. no new players actually get to experience the old world now. you literally have to go out of your way to quest through each of the old zones now.

    • @Dropsey818
      @Dropsey818 Рік тому

      what so important about the new player experience? are you a new player? probably not, so why is everybody so obsessed, join a decent guild, get on disc, and raid and do M+ its not rocket science, if you dont make a effort to get to know ppl in wow you will just quit, people outside of guilds (pugs) are toxic asf, its not a new player safe haven like FFXIV but they are different

    • @LexiChii
      @LexiChii Рік тому

      @@Dropsey818 That has literally nothing to do with anything my comment said, but pop off.

  • @Dominik-K
    @Dominik-K Рік тому +2

    Amazing video, loved the production and a your points on how the onboarding experience is still something that can be made better

  • @reaxetion6413
    @reaxetion6413 Рік тому +6

    *Idyl complains about FF cutscenes*
    Me: "First Final Fantasy game? It'll grow on ya"

  • @faciality
    @faciality 4 місяці тому +4

    0:10 i swear i saw a nexon logo

  • @theia.t
    @theia.t Рік тому +2

    We need more vids like this with another set of mmos, personally would love to see GW2 somewhere there. Awesome work on this video too.

  • @ElMofo9
    @ElMofo9 Рік тому +1

    Plot twist, the entire base game of ff14 is the tutorial. At least thats how it felt looking back on when I played it for a year or so

  • @CraigDurand-vb4xe
    @CraigDurand-vb4xe Рік тому +16

    What is destroying MMOs is mid maxing everything! Gaming isn't about fun anymore it's all about how far you can push your character to the max.

    • @aspenture1087
      @aspenture1087 Рік тому +2

      Yeah a lot of people can’t understand the balance between fun and midmaxing. You can midmax while having fun without overdoing it and burning yourself out. People also need to chill out more when other players make mistakes. Yes it’s frustrating, yes it can cause wipes and waste time but just try explaining to them whats killing them/the group without being toxic. People are so toxic towards new players it really sucks. Especially in low keys or levelling dungeons and you’re getting mad at people because of wipes.

    • @Soumein
      @Soumein 5 місяців тому +1

      Sorry, 'mid' maxing? I'm not sure if that's a misspelling of min-maxing, or if it's a genuinely new term.

    • @chroprs
      @chroprs 5 місяців тому

      @@Soumein It's a misspelling. He definitely meant to say min-maxing.

  • @TheTolnoc
    @TheTolnoc Рік тому +5

    Guild Wars 2 is pretty good. It's going through a light rough patch in balance, but that's end game, raid stuff.
    Big, beautiful world, large story, lots of old content that's still relevant because they use horizontal progression instead of a constant gear grind.

  • @maltardraco9555
    @maltardraco9555 Рік тому +6

    The MMO as a business model is ultimately unsustainable.
    To keep your existing playerbase, you have to add more stuff to do and therefore more complexity.
    It gets too complex and nobody can figure out how to play it anymore.
    To get back those old players, you have to release a classic mode to get back to basics.
    That classic mode requires updates to keep it's existing playerbase.
    Classic mode is no longer classic mode and is too complex.
    Rinse and repeat. You're not getting any new players at this stage.
    See you in Old Skool Old Skool Runescape because OSRS just isn't the game we grew up with anymore.

  • @biohazerdtrollztrolls4798
    @biohazerdtrollztrolls4798 Рік тому

    The *micro transaction shop* isnt a micro transaction shop. its a reward system where you can do things to get coin for cosmetics or just wait and stack the coin you get for playing every month

  • @MegaMegajennifer
    @MegaMegajennifer 4 місяці тому

    if you wanna ignore the battle for azeroth questlines, just abandon the little npc who takes you on a tour of the main city

  • @39grilly
    @39grilly Рік тому +3

    Leveling in wow can be really confusing lmao, You don't normally start playing through the current expansion until you reach 10 levels below the max. To level you can just choose whichever expansion or zone you want all the time which is really overwhelming

    • @max7971
      @max7971 Рік тому

      Idk man, I’d choose “pick a random story that sounds interesting” approach over “play 300 hours before we let you raid” approach.

  • @MrMcbear
    @MrMcbear Рік тому +5

    I don't understand how one creator doesn't like something and they immediately assume something is dying. Variety is the spice of life, Games will endure if theres is a player base for it regardless of opinion. People said runescape was dying 10 years ago, and then old school came out and revitalized the community and it's flourishing better than ever. You say they struggle to attract new players yet they're coming into the game every day.

  • @Ryan-ys6gb
    @Ryan-ys6gb Рік тому +5

    try guildwars2

  • @highlordaideren6579
    @highlordaideren6579 Рік тому

    The Trading Post isnt a microtransaction mechanism.
    Its a store where you use currency aquired just from completing weekly stuff.

  • @HappyHubris
    @HappyHubris 9 місяців тому +1

    "It's just cutscene after cutscene in this game!" Yeah, it's what makes FFXIV feel like such a chore. Do a task, everyone and their brother reacts to it, embark on the next task, trigger more cutscenes... Player agency in FFXIV feels vestigial, like they wanted to make a movie but begrudgingly put quests in. And I write that as someone who beat the most recent expansion.
    Basically, you get a lot of cutscenes with mostly filler quests in-between.