QPQ v CHF and the SOLGW solution
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2021
- QPQ vs CHF.
Service life, and the SOLGW solution.
Would love to hear real world shooter feedback!
SOLGW GAS PORTS:
10.5" Carbine .073
11.5" Carbine .071
12.5" Carbine .068
14.5" Carbine .0625
16" Carbine .0625
13.7" Mid .0785
14.5” Mid .077
16" Mid .076
18" Rifle .0995
20" Rifle .093
Textbook TDP GAS PORTS:
Mk18 10.3” Carbine .070
M4 14.5" Carbine .0625
Mk12 18” Rifle .0995
M16 20" Rifle .093
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Great info guys. Thanks for the awesome discussion.
I've been waiting for a video like this. Thank you.
Battlefield Las Vegas had lots of barrels and data on barrels and they concluded that CHF chrome liner barrels on average are lasting twice as long as the nitrided barrels. That being said if your nitriede barrel lasts even 10-15k rounds that 7k worth of ammo you can either get a free replacement from these studs or pay the 300 dollars for dd barrel once it’s shot out.
Ya chrome handles heat a little better than qpq, especially when applied to a hammer forged barrel. And since battlefield Vegas is mag dumping in full auto all day, then it makes all the difference.. But when it comes to semi-auto guns the difference is pretty negligent unless all you do is mag dumps every magazine as fast as you can. So for the purpose solgw sells their guns people really won't see the benifits of being charged more for chrome. It makes sense
@Larry Jones This. If you have a full auto lower yeah get that chrome lined. I'm still not sure of chf vs button matters though.
@rodog504 CHF does matter. Trust me bro.
Or geissele and they’re actually available.
@@5jjtyou haven’t earned it, bro!
Great info... just here to learn!
Can’t tell you how stoked I am to have my rifle from y’all finally
I can tell you one thing for sure... I consider myself lucky to be fortunate enough to own firearms from Sons of liberty gun works and BCM when it comes to high quality, bomb proof, reliable weaponry. I know damn straight that in the unlikely event I ever manage to run into issues that you guys stand by not only your gear, but your customers! I will never hesitate doing business with companies like you guys!! Yall being from TEXAS is also something I can get down with seeing as how I was born into the Great State as well!! Lol Keep on doing what you're doing fellas, you've manufactured your way into a ton of lifelong customers✌🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲👌
lamo bcm and sons are cheap guns
@realworldmotivation365 are you actually retarded?
Very interesting. I too have begun to be INDOCTRINATED to believe that CHF chrome lined is the best way to go. Thanks for this guys. You've really sparked some interest in this for me.
Big meh
QPQ, CHF, you're good either way
he didnt say that. he said there was basically no diff
My take on CL vs nitriding is overall heat generation. What is the rifle's use, what is its barrel profile and thus how much heat removal will the barrel need. An HBAR profile barrel with CL is a solid magdump machine all day whereas a pencil profile nitrided barrel is likely not. Basically I take into account other factors before deciding on the finish, not that I have the data to back it up. I like either to be honest, depends on what the gun is for. I'll say this, there is a ton of data to still collect to get the bigger picture of one vs the other.
Just listening to you guys makes me want to buy a SOLGW. Just bought a BCM mk2, but my next AR might just have to be a SOLGW.
This video just made me decide to order a solgw barrel
Love the info
Your awesome guys!!!
Love this company man. Y’all gonna be big stars one day
Bro,, her in San Antonio Texas they are giants among free men. To those that know
A company that stands behind it's customers like this deserves far more business. I've read many books and done many studies on what makes companies great and the common thread they all have is building everything they do around the customer first.
Honestly Mike is a great Salesman without actually trying to sell me anything. The confidence he has In his products makes me want to buy his work/products. I just bought a NOX break and a SOLGW Gas Block and the Knurled set screws are just brilliant. Snug fit to reduce gas leaks, it just makes sense. 👌
That makes you gullible.
@mdmonroe82 why? Solgw is a solid brand. Everything except their barrels are mid to top tier manufacturers.
@@mrbig713 How are they a solid brand? Because of marketing? That's like saying Barbie was a great movie. SOLGW don't do anything special. They don't make most of their parts. He brags because the tolerances are tight on his receivers. They're suppose to be. His marketing is based on what bad companies do. He just uses mil-spec parts and markets them like they're special. He does what he is suppose to do but wants Geissele and DD prices for what? You are paying because he can't manufacture on a professional level so it takes more time, which cost him more money, so he is forced to charge more, to make ends meet. Do you know any competition or spec ops personnel that would SOLGW guns in real action?
@mdmonroe82 no spec ops or competition user probably wouldn't use any SOLGW but thats by choice. Let's be real DD or G$ dont make everything 100% either. Dont just buy into the "milspec +" or "super duty" bullshit either.
@@mrbig713 SOPMOD uses DD and Colt. Buy what you want but when the owner says that he uses nitride barrel because when tested along side CHF barrels, there is hardly a difference. That is complete and utter horse shit. Just listen to him and do the research. He is making a good product, but he is selling them as though they are higher grade. I would buy FN, Colt, DD, LMT because I am getting my money's worth. Their guns aren't worth $1700.
After watching the SOTAR barrel autopsy from rosco it had 20thousand suppressed rounds (not sure if full auto) but it was most impressive to see a QPQ nitrided barrel and the throat was amazing. Obviously nitrided barrels have come a long way
I need to check out that autopsy but Rosco's are certainly overgassed compared to Sons, I believe. They're not the worst but from what I have learned, still overgassed.
@@chriskilburn261 That's good to hear. GunThots, small channel on YT, does quite a few reviews on uppers and they are super harsh on companies about gas port size. They destroyed BCM for their overgassing. Rosco was kind of in the middle. SOLGW was towards the top of their list but it was an older SOLGW upper and it didn't fare well against the Geissele uppers they tested, which is surprising because people love to hate on Geissele. I'm happy about that because I have a Geissele Super Duty and it is such a pleasantly gassed gun. I'm also happy with my 10.3" Ballistic Advantage barrel but I just started building a 13.7" SOLGW upper starting with their barrel and I have high hopes for that. Hopefully it's gassed as well as Geissele.
@@draggboy I remember they (GunThots) shit on a lot of barrel makers for over gassing, but you have to remember who is buying most of these cheaper barrels and uppers. Its people who also buy cheap ammo. They reduce customer complaints by making the gas port larger b/c people use shit ammo.
They shit on the B.A./Aero barrel for being over gassed, but don't take into account that they're using the baseline/consumer level barrel. When you buy a Hanson profile B.A. barrel you get a significantly reduced gas port and a pinned gas block. The port measured to .054" on my 13.7" B.A. barrel. Shoots like a dream. They use .078" (or at least used to) on everything else.
My point is that yes, a lot of barrels are over gassed but its literally our fault for them being that way b/c everyone wants to use Tula/Wolf/Barnaul ammo and they expect it to work and when it doesn't they call customer service and whine. Hence, larger gas ports. If you want proper gas port sizes then buy a barrel that has one and use the proper ammo.
@@draggboy I saw the video and was wondering how they quantify overgassing. Brass ejection? Gas to the face? Recoil impulse? Combination of everything?
The testing didn’t seem standardized; what ammo did they use, was it the same for all the tests, did the charging handle make a difference, did they try suppressed vs unsuppressed, different suppressors etc.
Honestly the video seemed like amateur hour. Could have been a lot more concise and informative without all the B roll
@Remington Steel I'm using an H2 with Damage Industries chrome silicon spring. It works very well with full power 5.56. Ejection pattern is 4 o'clock.
It will not cycle Tula or Wolf so keep that in mind if you shoot a lot of that. You may have to swap out buffers when you want to use steel cased.
I just got my first SOLGW 11.5 inch. It's beautiful
A year later, how do you like it? Pros/cons? Mine is coming Tuesday. Can't wait. I'm sure I won't be disappointed. I was going to go with the 13.7 but I like the shower barrel and won't give me much more reach than needed in that platform
@@grimakastatik you won't be disappointed. Shoot the shit out of it. The only downside is that it isn't chrome lined. But you would be spending nearly double to get something like a Centurion hammer forged barrel.
I do highly recommend using the Vltor A5 buffer system, with Springco Green spring, and probably Vltor A5H2 or A5H3 buffer weight.
@@CoryHobbs2178 yeah the m476 I got comes with that buffer system already! Can't wait to shoot it. Gonna be my go to.
@@grimakastatik that's a solid option. Great blaster enjoy! Admittedly I've been hooked on Centurion lately but I love them all. I think that comes with the wedge lock handguard too, if so that's one of the best in the business
love that mentality
If you have a good Criterion barrel with good chrome lining, you'll get good groups and be able to do mag dumps, etc. Longevity will be premium. However, modern 4150 CMV nitrided barrels hold up well in second-place in terms of abuse/round count under heat. Stainless (416R) doesn't hold up as well as far as round count, especially with high cyclic rates, the metal is softer and will not last as long. But, 416R can give you the best accuracy because the bore is easier to machine to better tolerances for precision shooting. A good compromise is 416R QPQ, which will extend barrel life 2X under slower cyclic rates. But even modern 4150 CMV nitrided barrels not only offer great longevity, but can offer 1 MOA or better accuracy when manufactured right. CHF barrels can offer the same between the two but longevity is subjective with higher cyclic rates. The bottom line is, unless you plan on shooting $10k worth of ammo through one barrel, you may never know. Buy a quality barrel from a reputable manufacturer and 99% of the average shooters will tell you that the barrels do everything they want them to. The 1% with the giggle switch might prove us wrong though lol.
This is going to ruffle some feathers. I'm a QPQ believer.
same here. all my ar barrels are QPQ
I agree. Like most people I came from the CHF chrome-lined cult. And naturally... the BCM or nothing cult. Then I realized there were better barrels than BCM. Over the years I have come to prefer QPQ as well.
Nothing compares to 416SS when it comes to accuracy. The closest you will come is some of the 14.5 Colt SOCOM barrels. Stainless does have a shorter service life but we are talking 10s of thousands of rounds. If you can afford to shoot one out you can afford to replace the barrel. Why sacrifice any accuracy? You pay for the ammo, and $300-$400 for a new match grade barrel is less than 1/10th of what you would have to spend to shoot it out using the cheap shit ammo.
People that shoot steel case and cheap crap ammo may want a barrel that lasts forever because they are cheap and the results they achieve are far below the standards that professionals demand.
for my 10.3 13.7 14.5 and 18" I only shoot Federal TRU 69 and 77, and Speer GoldDot 62 and 75 in .223
For 5.56 its Black Hills 69gr and MK262.
If you want to fuck up a barrel quick shoot some of the M855A1
@@ahole5407 This ^^^
@@tajituck888can I please get a cleaner explanation of this I just ordered a qpq aero m4 upper ? Is it bad or good?
Great info Mike!...Whats your thoughts on fluted pencil barrels?
I live about 10 minutes away. Love to support a company that set up shop on the Southwest side of San Antonio. Are y’all going to allow the public to come by soon (next 2 months or so) and will you start custom builds again (drop down menu on site)?
What a bad ass
Once I start seeing the best operators in the world using QPQ - I'll start using it. Until then its CHF CL.
Yep. He told on himself… higher profit margins using a ballistic advantage”sons of liberty” barrel lol
@@Logjammer69 It seems to be full auto vs semi though. Full auto lower yeah chrome lined is better. Semi auto you probably won't notice the difference.
No bullshit kinda guy...... here it is, no bells and whistles...... time for a cold Lone Star Light
Do any of solgw rifles come with “heavy barrels”? In my state I and required to have heavy barrels on my ar-15’s.
Whenever someone is looking for a serious AR build, I always recommend SOLGW and BCM, and this video has made me consider putting you at least a step higher.
Definitely both good options, but BCM isn't on SOLGW's level by any means I would say.
Geissele SD 11.5>SOLGW 11.5>BCM 11.5
@@granite6196 You sure about that. Geissele definitely gasses their guns well. I know older SOLGW's were gassed more than Geissele uppers, but I think SOLGW has improved. I will see soon enough, I just got the barrel and upper receiver for my SOLGW build. Shorter than my Geissele SD but still gonna compare.
@@draggboy I know for a fact since I have all three. Check out gunthots too they do a video it
@@granite6196 I’m sorry but taking advice from 3 hipsters is tough to do. No disrespect to them as their channel is very entertaining, it’s just that, entertainment. Now an ex military or preferably special ops guy is different.
I love SOLGW, great Texas company and I love sending them money.
But we'll see how well this video ages in the next few years. It wasn't too long ago Mike railed on BCGs on P&S swearing SOLGW would never carry stupid nickel coated BCG and Gucci calibers. And how they had the best BCGs because they listed the ''specs''. Now they carry all those, and without specs, and I'm glad to have one in my 6.5 Grendel.
The only reason not to carry CHF barrels is cause they don't want to pay for the expensive machines. Which is totally respectable. And offering a warranty to replace a barrel knowing most people wont shoot 100 rounds in its life time is a solid business decision. But trying to prove non CHF last as long as CHF is just snake oil. SOLGW likes to emulate and learn from Hodge which is also great. But Hodge uses CHF, and ironically for people who like to boast specs and bash just as good brands my 3 Hodge CHF FN barrels spec out identically to my PSA CHF FN barrels. Just sayin.
So in the ultimate irony SOLGW has become the ''We're just as good'' freedom brand, while PSA (if you stick to FN barrels) is actually materially and specs out identical. But I bet give SOLGW another 5 years of the success they very much deserve, they will be happy to offer CHF barrels.
Do chrome lines have less sticking issues with steel case?
Looking forward to buying a Sons blaster!!
He said people define “shot out” as a lot of different things. Then said they will replace shot out barrels. My question is what does SOLGW define as shot out when it pertains to warranty claims.
Does Sons of Liberty Gun Works have an in person showroom/ shop?
i agree with what u said but there is independent testing and thats why the military calls for chf barrels for their machine guns. everything is dependent on what u are using them for but there is already a lot of research thats proves chf barrels last longer through intense firing schedules than qpc or whatever coating theyre using. does that mean you need it for a fighting rifle? obviously they are doing something right because they build some of if not the best fighting rifles around and sticking to the rifles original specs and mil specs are smart and 1 reason they are doing so well.
When did you change the gas port sizes? And why did you change them? My 12.5 was not .068
Stag Arms also offers a lifetime barrel.
Stag arms is a sister company to Aero Precision, and Ballistic Advantage.
He'll ya borthers!
Thanks for your cervix!
I love solgw and I’ve bought a lot of stuff from them. Personally I prefer a criterion barrel. The core is so well balanced and accurate I’ve built my last 2 rifles with these barrels. I know there is an extremely small chance I would get 20k rounds to where a barrel would be shot out. But these barrels are twice the price of a solgw barrel. It’s real cool how they will replace a worn out barrel but in all honesty if I where to wear out a barrel I would not be a cheap ass and I would buy a new barrel or build a new upper. Just about everyone in the firearms industry consider barrels wear items. By some chance it was messed up new is the only way I send one back.
Have both, shoot both, love both.
When will barrels actually be in stock?
What chamber treatment lining resists corrosion the best? Lots of Marines died because the military turned-down chrome lining, and didn't even supply cleaning kits until it was clear barrels were corroding so bad that guys were dying in large numbers. The chamber would develop pitting, and the brass would mold into the pitting making it extremely difficult to extract, and no amount of cleaning gets rid of pitting.
So, how well does QPQ resist corrosion?
qpq is more corrosion resistant than chrome lining but chrome lining is better for high lvls of heat is the jist from everything I've read.
DD barrels makes some of the best barrels on the market. They forge the chambers along with the bore at the same time. Is it worth the cost compared to free replacement barrels can only be answered by the buyer..
DD over gasses their barrels for the fudds that shoot 223 spec ammo
@@darrendeep6w677 I have found DD barrels of the same length with different sized gas ports. What fudds have to do with shooting 223 commercial instead of 5.56 only you can answer lol.
@@darrendeep6w677 their barrels are no longer overgassed
While the upfront cost to buy CHF equipment is huge the unit price after the fact is much less, that’s pretty much the only reason the technology exists. The hype behind hammer forging and the fact that they’re usually chrome lined is why they’re always so much more expensive.
That’s why the original AK-47 originally went from button rifling and a milled receiver to hammer forged and stamped.
I’m surprised by your findings though, chrome is much harder than 4150.
Yup hammer forging is not only cheaper in the long run per barrel, but it also makes more of them faster.
Fyi, the chrome lining is harder than 4150, but he's talking about a 4150 barrel that has been QPQ'd (melonited/nitrided) which brings the surface hardness of the 4150 barrel steel very close to that of chrome lining. But in my own findings I've also found that chrome lined barrels can handle heat better than the same barrel material that is instead QPQ'd.. This only matters in heavily fired guns that get super hot tho where it will last longer, otherwise it's pretty negligent in semi auto which this dude sells.
Does QPQ help 416R last longer? If so, how much more life would that add.
Of course it does.
You guys should put out SOCOM profile barrels. I'm thinking of getting a colt or BCM 14.5" and cutting it to 12.5" for a build I'm putting together but if I could just get everything from one spot, that'd be awesome
What is it with those Colt 14.5 SOCOM barrels, I hear nothing but praise of accuracy along with a little voodoo magic. Are they that good?
@@SlickSlack4pac they do have a lot of inherent accuracy, partially due to the barrel profile and partly due to just being made to demanding standards. Realistically any medium profile barrel should have comparable accuracy if it's made right with good qc
Why not just get a Criterion or BA (Hansen profile) 12.5 barrel ?
@@Reisito305 honestly? Because I like the look. But that brings me back to the whole thing where I'd prefer to get everything from one spot anyway.
But since this is a franken-build that I'm planning, I guess it's not that big of a deal
Great sales pitch but when your website shows everything out of stock, it's difficult not to choose another company.
how can you order a sons rifle everything is always out of stock.
It's the covid timing bro.. even if they're up and running, it doesn't mean the other companies that supply them with parts are up and running as well. So things are just slow
Arent the chrome lined barrels supposed to take the heat of full auto a lot better?
Yes. How many people are mag dumping 10k rounds @ full auto though?
When can I get that 13.7 middy barrel with the fsb??????????
I think some people obsess a little too much over name branding. Manufacturing processes are tons better than what they used to be and there's a lot more ARs being built than ever.
Oh yeah. Because there's way too many manufacturers or at least rebranded parts assembly shops to sift through.
I’m curious. As a Mechanical Engineer how would a 4150 CHF Melonited or QPQ, Hard chrome plated barrel perform compared to 4150 CHF hard chrome lined and 4150 CHF QPQ’d???
Also, FN USA guaranteed the accuracy of one of their bolt guns - the SPR A3G: 1/2 MOA for 10K rounds.
That’s the only time I’ve ever seen such a thing.
LWRC QPQ's their CHF barrels. FWIW.
Ive never heard of a chrome lined qpq barrel. Not sure it exists. Im not even sure if its possible to get the chrome lining to stick to the metal once its qpq’d. Also there really isnt any advantage that i could see. As i doubt it would extend barrel life long enough to make a difference and/or justify the added cost.
@@ryanpeck3377 the closest thing is my ADM Criterion hybrid barrel. It's chrome lined with a nitride exterior, You cannot chrome line over QPQ/Nitride
@@ryanpeck3377 Pretty much the lubricity of QPQ I imagine would be a problem. I know they scuff the barrel before chroming it. So that'd defeat the purpose. Hodge Defense uses a flake process for their chrome lined 9310 barrels. It's supposed to have a 40-50k barrel life without degradation of accuracy. For a chrome lined barrel it's supposed to be DMR accurate. But it reflects in the price as well.
I'll be honest I think barrel material and firing schedule more than anything will determine the life span between QPQ and chrome lined barrels.
Sionics medium contour barrels are chromed and DMR accurate as well. I have two 16" inchers that love 77 grain match kings rolled by whomever. Black hills, IMI, Privi, you name it. They both are accurate.
Colt has always had a good track record for 6920's being more accurate than the 6921's. Or standard M4 barrels. The Socom barrels are supposed to be very accurate however.
@@ryanpeck3377, thanks, Ryan. I know of no barrels done this way. The chrome could be applied after Meloniting/Ferritic Nitrocarburization but the question that would answer my curiosity is "what is the mechanism by which chrome plating fails in a rifle barrel?" I'll deep dive that. The substrate (surface hardness of the barrel) may play some role but it may not be signifiant enough to warrant doing.
Thanks, brother.
How come you guys don't produce a barrel with a modern profile?
They don't produce any barrels. Their parts are sourced out and then assembled in house. They are builders not manufactures.
Aren’t qpq barrels more accurate than CL because CL isn’t as smooth/consistent basically?
Technically yes, however a well made chrome lined barrel can still shoot well, even sub-moa. Companies have gotten much better at chrome lining, especially making it more consistent. Unless youre talking ultra high precision shooting the vast majority of shooters wouldnt notice a difference.
Criterion barrels are regarded as some of the most accurate barrels out there. They are chrome lined, not QPQ. So the whole chrome lined not being as accurate doesn't hold water. It's all depends on how the barrel is manufactured.
Depends, Criterion has perfected the chrome lining and does hand lapping.
Centurion on the other hand uses a hammer forged barrel with a tapered bore. The tapered bore, for lack of a better word, swages the bullet and negates the chrome imperfections. My Centurion and Criterion are both capable of sub MOA with match ammo. Both are double chrome lined. Centurion gets the edge for being CHF'd and the tapered bore gives a slight boost to velocity.
Check out the Filthy 14 BCM rifle, CHF chrome lined mid length gas system, they say FN makes BCM barrels. I think it was somewhere over 42,000 rounds, before they took it out of service.
Last time I checked the filthy 14 was running a standard BCM barrel. Not CHF.
@@TheJetlife94 I am pretty sure my 16” mid length from BCM is CHF, but it’s a good damned barrel. I know Colt and FN military barrels are button cut, and they are damned good barrels.
@@MrSpook-ri8kv CHF or not, as long as you get a barrel from a reputable manufacturer you should be good to go
@@TheJetlife94 I have good barrels, bought a 10.3” from Primary Arms on sale for $89 1/7 chrome lined SOCOM profile, and it’s a good barrel, Expo is the brand, and I wish I would have bought a couple more for spares.
? what about a pin and weld barrel? eather way just received my 13.9, and getting it pin in a few weeks.
They do P&W
@@tobysshades had my local gun smith p&w. It's right @ 16.1 in length
BCM has entered the chat
BCM Enhanced medium weight fluted is mine.
Is it true that BA makes your barrels for you?
Yes, but there's an extra level of quality control in these barrels in comparison to BA's standard line up as these barrels are high pressure tested and then mp inspected. Just another level of duty grade barrel.
Stag Arms have an infinite shot barrel guarantee.
I have a feeling that this was shot and done on the first take. When you have genuine SMEs talking, things get rolling. This is some gold y'all are putting out.
Side note: Would it be possible to secure that flag somehow? It's a little distracting despite the audio being the core of the content.
You hold freedom back, our flags are waving!
@@SonsofLibertyGunWorks1 Lol touche
Centurion owns SOLGW all day & every day .
I have bought several CHF barrels because I always thought more money had to mean a better barrel, and also believing the internet "experts". The last few years, I have bought nothing but SOLGW products because I believe in them and they are Texas boys as well.
9 and 1/2 minutes of mike telling you he doesn't understand how averages and distribution work.
Dudes like me will never shoot out a nitride or qpq barrel at less that 1k rounds/ year. I really can’t justify the price of a chf cl barrel unless unless its a AK pattern and I’m shooting surplus corrosive ammo
whats a AK pattern
@@tajituck888 ak47, ak74, ak103, ak104 any rifle or pistol that looks like and ak47.
My Mk47 has a nitrite barrel and I dumped 5k rounds thru it the first year I had it. It’s chillin around the 7k mark now and the barrel is absolutely fine.
I wish I could buy a CHF, Chrome lined, 14.7” , mid length gas system, with a SOCOM profile, 1/7 5.56 chamber. Anyone find one let me know, I can’t stand an ignorant government profile, exactly opposite of what they should have done.
The CHF guys are here now! Do we have to put y’all nitrade/melonite lovers back in your place again!
BCM, DD, LMT and Geissele!!!
FNH , Noveske, Sig Arms, H&K also.
You forgot Knights Armament. Considered by most to be the best AR-15 out there. Somehow I don't see them using QPQ barrels? Hmm.
@@jonathanwick1265 I also see them at $3500, just sayin
@Emmanuel Goldstein yet the majority of mid to upper tier AR manufacturers still go with CHF/chrome lined barrels. Hmm 🤔
@Emmanuel Goldstein Yes, the military uses nitrided barrels and Knights Armament, DD, HK, LMT, SIG, Colt, and Noveske also manufacture nitrided barrels... LMFAO!!! Tell me you like spewing nonsense without telling me you like spewing nonsense. Take your b.s. elsewhere J3W boy.
I love that flag but my ADD is kicking in
Holy crap I was hypnotized by it as well. Instead of listening I was left questioning is there a fan blowing it? Is it drafty in the shop? Or does Mike have an incredibly windy voice?
I came here to say this. I got lost for a few seconds and had to rewind.
There is so much America in our shop, the flag are always waving!
@@SonsofLibertyGunWorks1 love it 😊
@@SonsofLibertyGunWorks1 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
If you are 40 ish years of age this can easily last the rest of your life. If you are 25, it will outlast the time of your life where you might shoot a lot more. I am all in for all top quality. We swim in quality and quantity yet still people(grown ass men) whine and complain endlessly. Be thankful
Proof Research has a similar guarantee. If you shoot out one of their barrels, they replace it. Even crazy overbore shit like .28 Nosler or .22 Creed. They are expensive initially, but between the accuracy guarantee and the warranty, it's the last barrel you'll ever have to buy.
Buy once, cry once.
I dig your shit, Son.
At some point I’m going to top off a pistol with a SOLGW complete upper.
This sounds like a job for IRAQVETERAN8888. His barrel meltdowns should be the scientific standard in determining these so-called "Battle-ready rifles".
He’s gotta take one for the team and melt a DD or BCM or one of these SOLGW rifles
@@scubasteve743 , Agreed!
Honestly, I think the High Tier weapon systems are preventing the meltdowns of their products on purpose. Wouldn’t want a $3K rifle failing faster than a lower end SOLWG or PSA system. 😂😅🤣😅
I don’t think Mike would bribe iraqveteran8888 like the others do for a good review. Also no one is going to run that rate of fire outside of a military unit getting taken over. Even then they are going to attempt to aim and not just mag dump.
Lmao he bribes sage dynamics already.
Guys, you can't change the laws of physic, break them or abolish them. A CHF barrel is hands down the strongest barrel structurally because of the forging process of applying huge amount of pressure to the metal to form it whish makes it more dense, align the molecules, stiffen barrel, very concentric chamber and bore etc... 99% of civilians have no use for chrome lining unless you have a full auto gun, shoot all in a session or live in an environment with the element speeding up corrosion. Barrels were CHF for mass production and strength for machineguns. So in conclusion 99% of civilians see no benefit from chrome line barrels and CHF barrels.
Honest question: If you have the data and you want people to seriously consider your take on this subject, have you published the data?
They have a freaking LIFETIME warranty on their barrels with free replacement. Seriously, that shit would take more time to organize and upload for what? To not be working on their ridiculous amount of orders because they are that good. Super satisfied customer here. Don't believe me, go check out their warranty for yourself.
@@marcogram1216 I understand the warranty. It sounds like a great warranty. I’m not disputing the warranty at all. The warranty is not objective, repeatable data on barrel life though. The video was about 9.5 minutes. More than enough time to present a small amount of data to support going for QPQ or CHF CL. Absent any verifiable, repeatable data, the video amounts to simple conjecture and opinion. I’m not commenting on the quality of their rifles, parts, etc mind you.
@@KnifeCursed I understand your question. The data is already out there from multiple independent sources. Furthermore, once the chrome lining is shot out is a CHF barrel going to be better? No. Neither is a nitrided barrel once the nitride is gone. Both will be crap. Unless you are shooting full auto, the difference is proven negligible. Just think about it. Maybe if the hammer forging somehow magically made the barrel resistant to tolerance loosening after the chrome has left then it would matter. Hell, even offshore equipment companies are nitriding tools and not chroming them. Of course this is all moot since most Americans will say their gun is "proven" after 1000 rounds over 10 years. This is new technology that will be hard for some to accept (I'm not saying you BTW) but when you think about it, it makes sense.
@@marcogram1216 Where’s the information from multiple independent sources? Do you have links you could share? I remember a Lucky Gunner test years ago but that was testing bimetallic jackets vs copper jackets in chrome lined barrels iirc.
@@KnifeCursed Unfortunately, I don't store these links for future arguments once I'm personally convinced. I took my own time, searched, found, read and come to my own conclusions. In the end, all of this means nothing. If you wish to pay more for a negligible if any perceived advantage, please do so. I choose not to concern myself with it.
The CHF process is a more expensive way to make a barrel. Lulz, what?
Right? Yeah sure the machine is an expensive proposition, but after that it's all gravy.
Tell me you’ve never run a business without saying it, lol
Nothing compares to 416SS when it comes to accuracy. The closest you will come is some of the 14.5 Colt SOCOM barrels. Stainless does have a shorter service life but we are talking 10s of thousands of rounds. If you can afford to shoot one out you can afford to replace the barrel. Why sacrifice any accuracy? You pay for the ammo, and $300-$400 for a new match grade barrel is less than 1/10th of what you would have to spend to shoot it out using the cheap shit ammo.
People that shoot steel case and cheap crap ammo may want a barrel that lasts forever because they are cheap and the results they achieve are far below the standards that professionals demand.
for my 10.3 13.7 14.5 and 18" I only shoot Federal TRU 69 and 77, and Speer GoldDot 62 and 75 in .223
For 5.56 its Black Hills 69gr and MK262.
If you want to fuck up a barrel quick shoot some of the M855A1
Just say it's cheaper and the average shooter will not shoot enough rounds to justify chromeline. End of story.
All talk, no data.
6 moa rifle is just fine for standard military rifle. "3.5" moa is shot out 😂😂 what a load of marketing bs. some ars shoot new 3.5 moa.
Your uppers are hundreds more than BCM... they are a Proven Company.. I'll stick with Bravo Company..
This does not answer the 'which is best' question. This video was a waste of time.
This whole video is a cope and pandering to the lowest common denominator.
I want the best battle implement I can get for preservation of freedom.
And that's currently CHF CL
End of story.
So I decided to make a quality Mills bad like AR 15 with a heavy barrel with the RIS2 rail I am four and it was after doing a little bit of research on barrels I have nitrated I have no pet on Roscoe and then call timer for Daniel and surprisingly the heavy barrel or the SOCOM as is more well-known as butt double chrome wind and I can definitely testify to that comparing it to my Daniel chamber I’d say it’s chrome is a Drop different in color or shine but the company I chose was Not Colt
The company ended up using was Centurion arms and they use some of the highest grade 4150 machine gun steel Barstock and I’m not sure if they do the double chrome lining I do appreciate that they really think about the ID and the OD of your barrel and gas block It is extremely tight need oil in a mallet to not get back on after you have to obviously take it off but it has a notch tab that (kind of makes it super 88 proof if they don’t know how to line up a gas block it slips into that notch and you’re good to go ) also has dimples under that The block does not use it only needs a pin and since it’s extremely low profile it’s pinned on the top of the gas block of the barrel as there’s more gas block material in that area once you knock your gas block back on
The other thing with centurion arms m4 heavy barrel
Is it really besides the gas system being tight is they use cranes bad gas port size actually there is is in the acceptable range on the low end at .061 and the crane I believe is .0625 but I had mine checked at between .061 and two so .0615 using a geissele super 42 heavvvvy triple bladed wire spring and their H2 buffer now I had it come with polish feed man so also there’s a little extras you add on
And it’s centurion arms not criterion people always makes up centurion and criterion
It’s ensuring in arms that’s who you want the owner is a Navy seal Monty McClair former seal and on all that barrels they say that being $500 or so for mine basically hey it deserves high power quality ammunition especially being crane spec because as sons of liberty gun works Mike says the seal teams don’t use who is it PMC bronze Winchester white box and it’s true you wanna give it a good ammo if you can’t get Black Hills try IMI but I get beautiful sharp 4 o’clock injections and with a canine I honestly have to say it’s not that bad and I’m left-handed for fucks sake yes radian Raptor a socom rc2 not as bad as others at all especially doing build drills and stuff but I try to shoot at my natural respiratory pause as I was trying to years ago and it still sticks to today where it’s almost subconscious
4150 CMV machine gun barstock CHF with double chrome liningI don’t think you can really go wrong especially if it’s going to be in a select fire basically it’s similar to saw barrels as fin double chromes them
Stag has the same offer for their barrel
CHF are the best