I know the fall of cadia is both a major and pretty badass piece of lore but i never got why people are so attached to them, probably because i'm new to the setting or something. And i say that as someone who, if i could afford, would probably become an IG player. I like the story of the fall of cadia, but the regiment itself looks so basic when compared to pretty much all the other's traits and gimmicks. I love the Valhallans because of the Cain books, i took a liking to the Armageddon Ork Hunters cuz of their gimmick and lore, and i'm about to get into the Gaunt's Ghosts books because i like their aesthetic and Tona Criid looks badass and i hope she gets her spotlight in the books lol, and well in the face of all the other regiments i just can't see the appeal of the cadians @.@
@@migrivp2672 I know how important they were and i want to read their books about the fall of cadia and the aftermath, in fact i'm more interested in Cadian Honour because as far as i know the book is about the state of the cadians after losing their world and it has potential to be an interesting story that explores the psychological impact of losing your planet and is probably not just a battle book throwing numbers and explosions everywhere that don't really mean much to the plot. In the end all i'm really saying is that they look rather bland on the surface at least, and the whole "bravest and most disciplined" thing doesn't appeal much to me in a setting in which we have 15 Hours to show how actually fucked and pointless the life in the Guard is. They have that "everyone is a hero" look but the Imperium is most certainly not, in fact every image of them looks like blatant propaganda, and the constant spamming of "cadia broke before the guard did" doesn't actually help lol. And now that i mention it, i hope Gaunt's Ghosts has more to show than just action scenes...
black legionnaire: "that's why your imperium raggedy" Creed:"that's why your primarch dead,dead as hell,thats why yo war master ain't got no arms he can't pray to the dark gods"
*As a word bearer* "That's why you will fail Creed, Abaddon never prayed to the gods. He never pleaded power from them, he never thought to give praise to them. He earned his power, he earned his stripes of honor. You?.." "A human on a backwater fortress world that failed several hundred times, a world that was known for its failure to defend. All to make up for eons worth of failure. We brought the galaxy to it's knees. You?." *Gentleman chuckling* "The Fame you obtained was being a regular meme about hiding a titan in a bush to destroy... Infantry. Hahaha! Not to mention the one that has you commiting utmost amounts of heresy, like riding atop a Tyranid. Hope the inquisition finds you well."
@@kormorgen637 _"I am totally not a pawn of superior powers and it wasn't real Chaos, real Chaos United has never been tried! I was merely pretending being retarded for 10k years!"_
@@kormorgen637 "We brought the Galaxy to it's knees". You mean you TRIED to for 13 consecutive crusades, with only the most recent one bearing any fruit, and NOW you gain an ego the size of the great rift?
@@stankobarabata2406 dude you clearly dont know what you're talking about out of the 13 crusades only 1 was remotely a fail for abbadon and even then it wasnt that bad . Abbadon and his dark crusades are actually legitimate threat that destroyed plenty of planets.
@@ThejollyFrenchman from what i recall, yes it is, terminator armor was discovered from an stc fragment for hazardous enviroment work suit for craftsmen and manual labourers
@@breitve Yes. and its funny to think how space Marines use a upscaled Plumber outfit to take on humanities greatest foes. That sayed, I laugh anytime I remember that most imperial Tanks are just weaponised farming tools, like the whole Rhino line and the Leman Russ variants are just with weak weapons equipped armoured tractors, that the pioneers of the colony-worlds can sheaply produce before building real tanks
So there was a bit wrong here about terminator armor. It can still be made, as it was an originally Mechanicum design, but its creation is so resource intensive that replacing one or buulding one is a large endeavor for a chapter
@@habibihabibi7115 yep, as they are absolutly ludacrisly resource intensive. Lore wise these suits can survuve tank shots and even some anti-titan weaponry
Honestly, these guys won me over sheerly from that sick colour scheme; black and gold looks fucking great. They may be a bit of a joke in the community, but the idea of Chaos organising and the looks were enough to make me like them. I also genuinely think retconning Abaddon to be less of a loser and more of a legit threat was a good idea and I approve of the change.
@@childrenofthesun471The Necron pylons were hinted at back in the first Eisenhorn book and the crusades having secret agendas has been canon since 2008
Now I'm imagining the entire Soprano cast as Word Bearers and I'm dying. Pawle: "Can you believe this cock sucker? We make a planet worship him, and he punishes us!?" Sil'Vio: "The boss is the boss, Pawle." Pawle: "But the blue boy scouts?! Fuck em I say." Kwistifuh: "'He's right T. You don't do something- I have to question your leadership." Tongar: "Where do you get the balls?! The boss has been the boss since time immemorial. Shit rolls down from the throne, conquered worlds go up!" Kwistifuh: "I'm just saying. If he ain't a god then maybe we gotta worship someone else" Pawle: "Chaos!?" Tongar: "NOBODY IS WORSHIPPING CHAOS! I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT WORD IN HERE AGAIN!"
Baccalus: “Yknow Sicarius predicted all this” Tongar: “What?” Baccalus: “All of it: the empire never truly being at peace, only war.” Tongar: “Sigismund. Cato Sicarius is the master of those smurfs’ honour guard”
Hes scary if we take gothic armada into account and his "failed" black crusades do indeed have a different purpose than attacking people, but instead to destroy necron pylons that hold back the eye of terror
I still dont understand why people think he's pathetic. He's literally the warmaster of chaos. He has a lot of warbands at his beck and call. He isn't pathetic, people just take the memes to far. And you can't argue that point with them because "abbadon pathetic, he failed 12 times! He's shit!". Its honestly frustrating.
I think "Pity the Guardsman" said it best. "So, what's your excuse, monster?" Alignment wise I believe the following is still true: Death Guard = Nurgle Emperor's Children = Slaanesh World Eaters = Khorne Thousand Sons = Tzeentch Word Bearers = Undivided Black Legion = Undivided Night Lords = Unaligned Iron Warriors = Unaligned Alpha Legion = Potentially Loyalists Night Lords rarely work with daemons because they lack faith in Chaos. While Iron Warriors see daemons as useful allies rather than beings of worship. While of course the Alpha Legion being Secret Loyalists is the meme for a reason.
@Magnus The Red Alpha Legion gives everyone headaches. They are the legionary version of Tzeentch's realm, nobody can understand their intentions... Sometimes I think not even THEY know their true intentions and loyalties.
It's 5 pm for me inthe UK, So pretty muvh as good a time as it could be. I just kick my legs up and listen to these nerds take the piss out of my accent.
I still remember a game against abbadon where he alone managed to kill 970 of my 2,000 point army. I was playing custodes and that managed to make me always respect him nomatter what the lore said
Terminators are heavy assault. Walking tanks basically. Doesn’t mean the man inside is “better” ; but it’s a position of honour for any assault marine to be picked for terminator squads. They are neigh impervious to smaller calibre fire (up to bolters) but relatively speaking a sitting duck if you get spread with lascannons or meltas. So it takes balls to get picked as terminator ; even on astartes standards, cuz you’re going to be teleported in spear-tip assaults etc. Abaddon’s terminator company in the Luna Wolves were called the Justaerins ; and were considered the most dangerous of all terminator companies
FYI, the primarchs are so beefy because they are the best of Emps gene science combined with his warp mumbo jumbo. The Horus clone was a perfect clone physically but lacked the special warp sauce needed to be a true monster. Abby still wasn't able to go toe to toe with him but by the time he pulled his badass moment "Horus" had killed like 20 marines and was shot to pieces. Still an awesome moment though.
Let's not speak about the fact Horus' Clone stood against a couple of demons, a sorcerer and his rubriks, a couple of squads of Marines also an Eldar assassin. It was during that mess that Abaddon took the opportunity to bring him down.
@Imperial Guardsman my headcannon on that is that his spirit still lives in the warp, so by perfectly recreating his body his spirit just went home. Kind of how Dark Eldar ressurection works, actually. But less icky. But Horus' soul was annihilated by the emperor, so even if you get the body right, the empowering spirit won't come back.
@@SymbioteMullet yeah, there's a theory that all primarch souls are warp entities, so should you make the body, their spirit will comr back, save for the ones that had the big lightshow when they died, IE Ferrus, Sanguinius and Alpharius AKA Possibly Omegon
Here's the thing though, doesn't GW base the canon outcome of lore battles on the results of official tournament play? So isn't at least some of Abby's bad luck the result of players' matches, as opposed to just uncreative writers?
@@raycearcher5794 while I’m not so sure for 40k, gw tried that to determine the outcome of the end times. It ended with Archaon getting stomped and Grimgor clowning on everyone. They didn’t like this and as a result we got the dumpster fire known as the End Times
Abaddon gets little love it seems from GW. The man successes in so much and yet by the end of it all. Just one failure. Everyone laughs at him. Even after 12 Crusades. People call him a loser. Though he left ruin and death in his wake. Killing Billions on top of billions of souls. Destroyed man worlds. Still, by the end of it. He is Abaddon "The Failure". Fuck even after his 13th Crusade he still gets no love. Even after succeeding in destroying basically the beating heart of the Imperial Guard. He is still seen as someone who dun fucked up. I get it. He is the BBEG (Big Bad Evil Guy). Seriously, throw him a bone. Doesn't have to be a big one. At least give him a Codex that makes him a badass. Though Choas always gets the shaft when it comes to Codexes.......so I won't hold my breath.
@@Qardo Honestly I think it's because - as a lot of the fandom tends to joke - he just feels so much like he's never gotten out of Horus' shadow. He's the mini-me to Horus' Dr. Evil. Just a tiny stunted version of the big guy everyone remembers and liked; despite what he may, or may not, have actually achieved on his own. Everything about his up front design just reeks way too much of trying to make Horus But More-us and it ultimately harms the entire character because there is a lot of potential for Abaddon. Especially since they can't have him be too successful or too cool, so every defeat not only makes people roll their eyes at how the edgelord lad failed again; but it ultimately brings up direct comparisons to Horus who *nearly* brought the empire to its knees.
I recently played a "Cadia's Last Stand" type scenario with my friend, I was the guardsmen. Abbadon got decimated in Melee by a Techpriest Engineseer, who is now known by the name: Babbadon "The Warhammer 40K", as he is truly The Warhammer 40K now.
Primarchs aren’t just their genetics. The Big E bargained with the Chaos Gods to get them “special” souls. Hence their supernatural charisma, warp powers even if they aren’t fully fledged psykers. And clones don’t have the “special warp spaghetti” soul of the original primarch. So that’s why they are still superhuman giants with crazy physiology, but that’s about that. There’s this fan theory that to truly bring back a Primarch you would need to clone a body, AND find his original soul to put in the clone. Horus’s soul is supposed to have been utterly annihilated by the Big E to make sure the original one could never truly be brought back.
@@jbark678 He might be, he might be between the four and the lower four. We don't know The last time anyone actually fought him was when it took The Emperor to get him out of the collapsed Imperial Webway
People joke that he's a bitch because Drach'nyen occasionally cuts him, but anybody else would be taken over the moment they touched that sword. Fulgrim, a fucking Primarch, got taken over by a Greater Daemon while Abbadon has been wielding a _God_ for ten thousand years with only a few minor incidents. This man has a will that makes steel look like a bitch.
Orks would be the only thing that could seriously pull that off. The rest of 40k has so much edge it cuts your unborn grandchildren and orks literally survive by the power of God and anime. The more over the top the greater the chance of succeeding in unforseen ways.
Favorite Alpha Legion theory is that only half turned truly traitor, however each side is pretending to be the opposite in order to sabotage them. I.e loyalists pretending to be traitor and traitors pretending to be loyalists
Theyll never do Alpha Legion. You need to actually know what your talking about, otherwise all conversations devolve into "I am Alpharious and/or Omegon" meme reguritation. Trust me, Im Alpharious.
Funny thing is chaos knew Horus would loose and began planting seeds of ambition in Abaddon, you need to keep in mind the galaxy as it is constant fighting etc suits the chaos gods more than a down right victory, the chaos gods gain more from the path to victory than victory itself. Abaddon eventually begins to resent Horus and call him a failure, he believes that it was Horus giving into the power of the warp that doomed them (reason Abaddon hasn’t become a demon prince yet) Abaddon will use chaos as a weapon but he will not let it rule him.
We played Dark Heresy: Ascension with my girlfriend and she proved, how truly (h)armless Abaddon is. To be short: Biomancy shenanigans. She used Flesh Sculptor to shrunk to fly size, fly into Abby's ear and then started transforming into an Ork. Because of very poor wording, there is no upper or lower limit to how biomant Psyker can change his or her size. So she literally blew chunk of Abaddon's inner ear off and then proceed to maul him, while he was down. I had to use Zeraphiston to teleport him away. We never could take Abaddon seriously afterwards)
You're thinking of Imperial Knights. Terminator Armor was basically the dark age of technology equivalent to a super Hazmat suit that was designed for mechanics doing repairs on active fusion reactors (which is insane).
@@cadenglass1387 I once saw a pretty cool rendition of dark age terminator armor. Looks like some Star Wars shit. Like a really, really angry, roided up stormtrooper.
Because they are? After UM has been turnes into an unlikable faction with unlikable characters basically any other chapter, faction seem more interesting.
I really would like to thank y’all for getting me back into 40k, I haven’t been this interested in the lore for the last five years. Y’all’ve really made my day with all this awesome content.
Im dying laughing that bricky forgot about the secret stealthy KGB legion for the longest time! Oh I hope they get new stuff they be the first sorta chaos legion I'd buy.
The blackstone fortress's were used by the eldar to shard the void dragon (they needed to combine the power of all of them to shard the full c'tan maybe that speaks to the c'tans power)
It's implied the dragon survived the attack but was weakened by the eldar fortresses, the exact reference escapes me but it has something to do with inquisitor hoth.
@@thomasmacabee8361 from what ive read he did survive but was turned into shards like the other c'tan a big void dragon shard might be the one the emperor trapped inside mars
The Terminator armor is still built, but it is like comparing a Baneblade to a Leman Russ. Terminator armor is extremely expensive to build, even for power armor. As a result, it is rare to see, and very hard to be given a set.
Pretty poetic that Horus reborn, the guy who rebelled against the emperor to follow his own path, was put down by Abaddon: Horus' own 'son' choosing his own path
The black stone fortresses were created by Vaal the Eldar smith god, fun fact Vaal used all 12 fortresses he created to destroy the Void Dragon Ctan even then it only shattered the Dragon into a few shards and not the thousands that others were
I thought it was a bit ambiguous, in that a lot of different factions had different ideas about them. I know that the Eldar think that they're created by Vaul but I didn't think that was confirmed
Maybe they were created by a Vaal? Like maybe an old one bore that name first? Just occurs to me because we know the Eldar were created by the old ones. But even that is stretching it.
The Black Crusades were all according to plan! Each of the twelve "failed" crusades accomplished a goal that was instrumental in the culmination at the 13th. Chaos plays a longer game than the Imperium could possibly realize
Terminator armour, or tactical dreadnought armour, is particularly useful in hazardous environments. Any pressure from space to high gravity planets. They are rare archeotech, but of course they also need to be used in the most dangerous situations, like spacehulks, so sometimes chapters will later attempt to reclaim such relics for the chapter.
The siege of vraks would be such a good topic to cover Probably the most important battle of the death korps and one of those battles that started with 2 sides and ended with multiple chaos legions and astartes with DREADKNOUGHTS AND KNIGHTS and the death korps were just like "fuck yeah more shit to kill in the name of the emperor am I right?"
Terminator armor is incredibly well written, it was designed to be a replacement to power armor but the legions didn’t want it to due to the fact it was way to slow. And adMech hasn’t lost the ability to make Indomitus armor they just can’t create it quickly.
Fun fact: in italy there is this concept of "bestemmiare" which is a huge deal in italy. It saying a particular saint/religious figure next to a slur or insult toward that figure. So for the word bearers to be italian it's strangely fitting
Bile made perfect clones out of primarchs. Including Fulgrim. Also, Abadon was juiced by warp gods. New Horus was not. And unarmed. And still fought fairly well.
My merch-shirt came today! Unfortunately either myself, AdRid or the postal service messed up so its 2 sizes to small and has the woman cut, but it still looks pretty dope.
@@sodagod4709 He was a main protagonist of a game "Battlefleet Gothic: Armada 1&2". BG:A1 was during 12th Black Crusade and BG:A2 was a little after the fall of Cadia. During BG:A1 he was a captain of Dauntless Class Light Cruiser and after several battles with chaos was promoted to Admiral and tasked with defending the Gothic Sector from Abaddon. After 12th Black Crusade failed the madlad gave chase after Abaddon into the Immaterium. When he emerged it was a Little over 800 years and he heard a distress signal coming from Cadian Sector. Of course, he isn't canon, but damn, Such a wasted opportunity.
They can make terminator armor but it’s extremely difficult and can take years to make full suits due to the rare and expensive materials needed to make them.
The Talon of Horus was originally built by the Dark Mechanicum for Warmaster Horus shortly before the start of the Horus Heresy, but was taken up by Abaddon after his master's death and the reclamation of Horus' body from the hands of the Emperor's Children following the Battle of Harmony.
In case someone hasn't already mentioned it: Abaddon's sword, Drach'nyen, was once a major Chaos daemon lord in charge of a fuckoff-huge army of daemons and fought against the Custodes and Silent Sisters in the Webway during the Heresy. The Emperor had to conjure up a literal fucking star to close the portal to prevent the daemons from overrunning the palace.
i hope after the fall they talk about the legion of the damned. while they dont have a ton of lore it is really cool and i always found them to be a very interesting topic. more so after cadia fell and the galaxy was split in half but they kept showing up even though there was no way for like half the worlds they popped up on to have called for help. ive always liked the theory that they are basicly daemons of the emperor being summoned by a critical mass of people dying in his name
The fact that Abaddon is the face of Chaos undivided when Perterabo is a whole ass Primarch and actually doing the "using the powers of each Chaos god while kneeling to none of them" thing way better, is the ultimate injustice.
Abaddon basically won every black crusade, it's just his goals where never to topple the imperium, it was all to prepare for the fall of cadia tearing the galaxies ass open.
AYY WELCOME TO MONARCHIA PIZZA PALACE WE ASERVE PIZZA ANDA BIG E'S LIGHT AYY
The Emperors pizza palace
Wait you guys force shy to do something. I thought ist was the other way around?
Sanquinius the bambino got pepperoni’d
After 13 fails Abadon is harmless in my book. He should've be overthrown a long time ago.
New HBO series idea: The Young Primarch. Lorgar is like the Pope, Erebus is like Secretary of State Voiello. Wow, that actually works pretty well.
the eye of terror sees all
Ye
And Perturabo always sees the eye of terror.
Does that mean he also sees all?
'Ultramarines 1st Company is made up of bones'
That's it. It's perfect. Well done
It's even better than that. It says chewed up bones
This was perfect! Did a spit take at work listening to this, as UltraBlueBois is my army :P
was watching for a comment about this, was laughing my ass off when i saw it
I came to listen to Bricky and DK
I stayed for Shy's edits
Shy's edits are the best
I listen to the podcast on Spotify throughout the day, but when I can I pull it up on UA-cam anyway just to see the edits
Shy's edits were on point this episode.
Shy episode special!!!
Shy's commentary is quickly becoming the main reason I watch this series.
It's literally the only reason
Shy, with the job of being the only competent person, is bloody funny
I'm just constantly seething at the fact that I always miss out on it because I'm listening to these in the background so I can't see it
I'm proud of Bricky for mentioning Cadia and not crying.
CADIA STANDS!
Cadia broke before bricky did
I know the fall of cadia is both a major and pretty badass piece of lore but i never got why people are so attached to them, probably because i'm new to the setting or something. And i say that as someone who, if i could afford, would probably become an IG player. I like the story of the fall of cadia, but the regiment itself looks so basic when compared to pretty much all the other's traits and gimmicks. I love the Valhallans because of the Cain books, i took a liking to the Armageddon Ork Hunters cuz of their gimmick and lore, and i'm about to get into the Gaunt's Ghosts books because i like their aesthetic and Tona Criid looks badass and i hope she gets her spotlight in the books lol, and well in the face of all the other regiments i just can't see the appeal of the cadians @.@
@@lovebunny2652 cadia is love because they where the front line to the eye of terror and as such they avoid a lot of world to fall in the first place
@@migrivp2672 I know how important they were and i want to read their books about the fall of cadia and the aftermath, in fact i'm more interested in Cadian Honour because as far as i know the book is about the state of the cadians after losing their world and it has potential to be an interesting story that explores the psychological impact of losing your planet and is probably not just a battle book throwing numbers and explosions everywhere that don't really mean much to the plot. In the end all i'm really saying is that they look rather bland on the surface at least, and the whole "bravest and most disciplined" thing doesn't appeal much to me in a setting in which we have 15 Hours to show how actually fucked and pointless the life in the Guard is. They have that "everyone is a hero" look but the Imperium is most certainly not, in fact every image of them looks like blatant propaganda, and the constant spamming of "cadia broke before the guard did" doesn't actually help lol. And now that i mention it, i hope Gaunt's Ghosts has more to show than just action scenes...
Yeah when the codex gets updated.
**Looks over at my tyranid army with a single tear**
Alpha legion must be doing a great job if Bricky can't even remember them.
Hydra Dominatus
Who?
@@CarburetorThompson exactly
That whole bit was hilarious
ah yes steel talon logo
black legionnaire: "that's why your imperium raggedy"
Creed:"that's why your primarch dead,dead as hell,thats why yo war master ain't got no arms he can't pray to the dark gods"
*As a word bearer*
"That's why you will fail Creed, Abaddon never prayed to the gods. He never pleaded power from them, he never thought to give praise to them. He earned his power, he earned his stripes of honor. You?.."
"A human on a backwater fortress world that failed several hundred times, a world that was known for its failure to defend. All to make up for eons worth of failure. We brought the galaxy to it's knees. You?."
*Gentleman chuckling*
"The Fame you obtained was being a regular meme about hiding a titan in a bush to destroy... Infantry. Hahaha! Not to mention the one that has you commiting utmost amounts of heresy, like riding atop a Tyranid. Hope the inquisition finds you well."
@@kormorgen637 _"I am totally not a pawn of superior powers and it wasn't real Chaos, real Chaos United has never been tried! I was merely pretending being retarded for 10k years!"_
@@nickkorkodylas5005
“I have the symbol of chaos tattooed to my forehead for fashion!”
@@kormorgen637 "We brought the Galaxy to it's knees". You mean you TRIED to for 13 consecutive crusades, with only the most recent one bearing any fruit, and NOW you gain an ego the size of the great rift?
@@stankobarabata2406 dude you clearly dont know what you're talking about out of the 13 crusades only 1 was remotely a fail for abbadon and even then it wasnt that bad . Abbadon and his dark crusades are actually legitimate threat that destroyed plenty of planets.
Emperor's Children: hippity, hoppity, this corpse is our property.
FOR THE EMPEROR!
ah yes, the work clothes of miners and loggers and plumbers and electricians back in the dark age of techology.
that terminator armor
I really hope that's actually lore.
@@ThejollyFrenchman from what i recall, yes it is, terminator armor was discovered from an stc fragment for hazardous enviroment work suit for craftsmen and manual labourers
@@breitve Yes. and its funny to think how space Marines use a upscaled Plumber outfit to take on humanities greatest foes. That sayed, I laugh anytime I remember that most imperial Tanks are just weaponised farming tools, like the whole Rhino line and the Leman Russ variants are just with weak weapons equipped armoured tractors, that the pioneers of the colony-worlds can sheaply produce before building real tanks
and its even on topic for the episode, terminator captains mario and luigi anyone?
@@tumage8592 using a power fist to clean out my toilet
Next week: Bricky just shows DK the first 20 minutes of Battlefleet Gothic 2. That's the whole podcast.
but for real tho
Also speak of the decanonized Black Crusade... The one that wouldn't have ended up with Cadia going Boom.
@@AAhmou which one? There were 5 other Black Crusades. One that killed Dorn, one that where Tzeench possesed blood angel Captain, and three more.
"What's an Isekai?"
A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain
Or alternatively The Flight of Dragons by Rankin & Bass.
Narnia and john carter of mars would also work.
See also; The Matrix
Flight of dragons is a deep cut that I appreciate
"Wait you called it an isekai, fuck you, but not really haha" I say being held at gunpoint by UA-cam censorship
The Wizard of Oz.
Just waiting for the day they run out of stuff so they HAVE to do Alpha Legion.
Running Out of stuff 😅
Am they are taking about 40k so that is Like never going to Happen 🙆🏼♂️
Bold of you to assume they’re going to run out
Ah yes the OSS of the Adeptus Astartes.
@@tomschroder7713 soon my brother soon
The twist is that they've ACTUALLY been covering the Alpha Legion all along.
So there was a bit wrong here about terminator armor. It can still be made, as it was an originally Mechanicum design, but its creation is so resource intensive that replacing one or buulding one is a large endeavor for a chapter
Yes they can be made, but it apparently takes between decades and centuries to craft a single suit.
@@habibihabibi7115 yep, as they are absolutly ludacrisly resource intensive. Lore wise these suits can survuve tank shots and even some anti-titan weaponry
The common ones are expensive, think ab the ones for the custodes
@@giuseppe9653 allarus and Aquilon both can be made, but like all custpdian wargear, it is made custom for the custodian.
Not just resource intensive but because the Mechs pray over every nut and bolt they use in its construction.
Remember when Abandon got his ass handed to him in a sword fight by a geriatric elf whose joints were literally crystalizing?
Crystal or not, Eldrad’s arms stayed attached to his body. Lol
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
How do you turn your knees into borax
@@SomeKrieger space elf biology that's how.
Morothrak Bladereaper I am the Borax, I speak for the knees.
Honestly, these guys won me over sheerly from that sick colour scheme; black and gold looks fucking great. They may be a bit of a joke in the community, but the idea of Chaos organising and the looks were enough to make me like them. I also genuinely think retconning Abaddon to be less of a loser and more of a legit threat was a good idea and I approve of the change.
“From Shame and Shadow Recast, In Black and Gold Reborn.”
They didn't really retconn him, that's the worst part of it I think.
@@papanurgle8393 they didi
@@childrenofthesun471The Necron pylons were hinted at back in the first Eisenhorn book and the crusades having secret agendas has been canon since 2008
The funny thing is he was always implied to have a grand plan in his defeats it just finally came true when they had the fall of Cadia
Now I'm imagining the entire Soprano cast as Word Bearers and I'm dying.
Pawle: "Can you believe this cock sucker? We make a planet worship him, and he punishes us!?"
Sil'Vio: "The boss is the boss, Pawle."
Pawle: "But the blue boy scouts?! Fuck em I say."
Kwistifuh: "'He's right T. You don't do something- I have to question your leadership."
Tongar: "Where do you get the balls?! The boss has been the boss since time immemorial. Shit rolls down from the throne, conquered worlds go up!"
Kwistifuh: "I'm just saying. If he ain't a god then maybe we gotta worship someone else"
Pawle: "Chaos!?"
Tongar: "NOBODY IS WORSHIPPING CHAOS! I DON'T WANT TO HEAR THAT WORD IN HERE AGAIN!"
Tongar never had the makings of a vasity space marine
@@EldenLord1142 Small gene seed was the problem
Baccalus: “Yknow Sicarius predicted all this”
Tongar: “What?”
Baccalus: “All of it: the empire never truly being at peace, only war.”
Tongar: “Sigismund. Cato Sicarius is the master of those smurfs’ honour guard”
Istvan V, whatever happened there?
@@gudboah4688 Phillus Manatardo: WHATEVER HAPPENED THERE?!
Honestly abbadon's retinue is pretty badass, maybe gw's trying to transmit their strength onto abaddon to make him seem less of a joke then he is now
No still pretty weak
Dosen't work. Abadon is and stays pathetic
Its when you try way to hard to make a powerful villain that's not overpowered
Hes scary if we take gothic armada into account and his "failed" black crusades do indeed have a different purpose than attacking people, but instead to destroy necron pylons that hold back the eye of terror
I still dont understand why people think he's pathetic. He's literally the warmaster of chaos. He has a lot of warbands at his beck and call. He isn't pathetic, people just take the memes to far. And you can't argue that point with them because "abbadon pathetic, he failed 12 times! He's shit!". Its honestly frustrating.
I think "Pity the Guardsman" said it best. "So, what's your excuse, monster?"
Alignment wise I believe the following is still true:
Death Guard = Nurgle
Emperor's Children = Slaanesh
World Eaters = Khorne
Thousand Sons = Tzeentch
Word Bearers = Undivided
Black Legion = Undivided
Night Lords = Unaligned
Iron Warriors = Unaligned
Alpha Legion = Potentially Loyalists
Night Lords rarely work with daemons because they lack faith in Chaos.
While Iron Warriors see daemons as useful allies rather than beings of worship.
While of course the Alpha Legion being Secret Loyalists is the meme for a reason.
@Magnus The Red Alpha Legion gives everyone headaches. They are the legionary version of Tzeentch's realm, nobody can understand their intentions... Sometimes I think not even THEY know their true intentions and loyalties.
Either this premier time is a test for loyalty, an attempt to reach other times zones or a good troll. Worth it all the way.
It's 5 pm for me inthe UK, So pretty muvh as good a time as it could be. I just kick my legs up and listen to these nerds take the piss out of my accent.
Dont know what you mean, 18:00 is perfectly reasonable
@@tumage8592 "time zones"
I still remember a game against abbadon where he alone managed to kill 970 of my 2,000 point army. I was playing custodes and that managed to make me always respect him nomatter what the lore said
Terminators are heavy assault. Walking tanks basically. Doesn’t mean the man inside is “better” ; but it’s a position of honour for any assault marine to be picked for terminator squads.
They are neigh impervious to smaller calibre fire (up to bolters) but relatively speaking a sitting duck if you get spread with lascannons or meltas.
So it takes balls to get picked as terminator ; even on astartes standards, cuz you’re going to be teleported in spear-tip assaults etc.
Abaddon’s terminator company in the Luna Wolves were called the Justaerins ; and were considered the most dangerous of all terminator companies
Also Abaddon could move as fast as a space marine in power armour while wearing terminator armour because he was buff even by space marine standards
FYI, the primarchs are so beefy because they are the best of Emps gene science combined with his warp mumbo jumbo. The Horus clone was a perfect clone physically but lacked the special warp sauce needed to be a true monster. Abby still wasn't able to go toe to toe with him but by the time he pulled his badass moment "Horus" had killed like 20 marines and was shot to pieces.
Still an awesome moment though.
Dreadnoughts, the wheelchairs of Dark Age of Technology :P
Let's not speak about the fact Horus' Clone stood against a couple of demons, a sorcerer and his rubriks, a couple of squads of Marines also an Eldar assassin. It was during that mess that Abaddon took the opportunity to bring him down.
also for some reason the fulgrim clone in trazyn's collection *does* have the special warp sauce
@Imperial Guardsman my headcannon on that is that his spirit still lives in the warp, so by perfectly recreating his body his spirit just went home.
Kind of how Dark Eldar ressurection works, actually. But less icky.
But Horus' soul was annihilated by the emperor, so even if you get the body right, the empowering spirit won't come back.
@@SymbioteMullet yeah, there's a theory that all primarch souls are warp entities, so should you make the body, their spirit will comr back, save for the ones that had the big lightshow when they died, IE Ferrus, Sanguinius and Alpharius AKA Possibly Omegon
Shy's editing skills are priceless
for the 12th and 13th crusade watch Battlefleet Gothic Armada I and II
The Armless.
The Harmless.
The Spoiler.
The Filler.
Here's the thing though, doesn't GW base the canon outcome of lore battles on the results of official tournament play? So isn't at least some of Abby's bad luck the result of players' matches, as opposed to just uncreative writers?
@@raycearcher5794 while I’m not so sure for 40k, gw tried that to determine the outcome of the end times. It ended with Archaon getting stomped and Grimgor clowning on everyone. They didn’t like this and as a result we got the dumpster fire known as the End Times
Abaddon gets little love it seems from GW. The man successes in so much and yet by the end of it all. Just one failure. Everyone laughs at him. Even after 12 Crusades. People call him a loser. Though he left ruin and death in his wake. Killing Billions on top of billions of souls. Destroyed man worlds. Still, by the end of it. He is Abaddon "The Failure".
Fuck even after his 13th Crusade he still gets no love. Even after succeeding in destroying basically the beating heart of the Imperial Guard. He is still seen as someone who dun fucked up.
I get it. He is the BBEG (Big Bad Evil Guy). Seriously, throw him a bone. Doesn't have to be a big one. At least give him a Codex that makes him a badass. Though Choas always gets the shaft when it comes to Codexes.......so I won't hold my breath.
Failbadon
@@Qardo Honestly I think it's because - as a lot of the fandom tends to joke - he just feels so much like he's never gotten out of Horus' shadow. He's the mini-me to Horus' Dr. Evil. Just a tiny stunted version of the big guy everyone remembers and liked; despite what he may, or may not, have actually achieved on his own. Everything about his up front design just reeks way too much of trying to make Horus But More-us and it ultimately harms the entire character because there is a lot of potential for Abaddon. Especially since they can't have him be too successful or too cool, so every defeat not only makes people roll their eyes at how the edgelord lad failed again; but it ultimately brings up direct comparisons to Horus who *nearly* brought the empire to its knees.
Abbadon's dad wanted him to kill his hunting dogs or something like that so he lashes out killing everyone.
This is the happiest wh40k origin yet
@@level1dodo896 too true
Imagine someone watching this in a couple years being completely confused by the among us references
one can only hope
Yeah pretty sus
Three years later, it still causes real psychic damage whenever heard or seen.
how perfect that the only one he couldn't remember was the alpha legion, a legion who prides themselves on anonymity and sneaking and being hidden.
I recently played a "Cadia's Last Stand" type scenario with my friend, I was the guardsmen. Abbadon got decimated in Melee by a Techpriest Engineseer, who is now known by the name: Babbadon "The Warhammer 40K", as he is truly The Warhammer 40K now.
Italian Word Bearer: EYYYYY-badon 👌
SOBER ALL GUARDSMEN PART READING!??!?!?!? Sign me up!!!! I was SO hoping they would read more of it after that stream!
Shy’s commentary just elevates the podcast to the next level😂
The way Bricky pronounces Abbadon is the correct way
Primarchs aren’t just their genetics. The Big E bargained with the Chaos Gods to get them “special” souls. Hence their supernatural charisma, warp powers even if they aren’t fully fledged psykers.
And clones don’t have the “special warp spaghetti” soul of the original primarch. So that’s why they are still superhuman giants with crazy physiology, but that’s about that.
There’s this fan theory that to truly bring back a Primarch you would need to clone a body, AND find his original soul to put in the clone.
Horus’s soul is supposed to have been utterly annihilated by the Big E to make sure the original one could never truly be brought back.
Drach'nyen is a *minor Chaos God*
The Four are actually scared of him to a degree
So he's one of the lower four with Malal?
@@jbark678 malal doesnt exist tho
@@jbark678 He might be, he might be between the four and the lower four.
We don't know
The last time anyone actually fought him was when it took The Emperor to get him out of the collapsed Imperial Webway
People joke that he's a bitch because Drach'nyen occasionally cuts him, but anybody else would be taken over the moment they touched that sword. Fulgrim, a fucking Primarch, got taken over by a Greater Daemon while Abbadon has been wielding a _God_ for ten thousand years with only a few minor incidents. This man has a will that makes steel look like a bitch.
@@bloodfartmoon2765 That's exactly what he wants you to think!
KONICHIWAAAAAAAAAAGH
...Dave and Matt send their regards from the Shrine of Chaos
I imagine that ork has a oni mask and has that big japanese war club
Orks would be the only thing that could seriously pull that off. The rest of 40k has so much edge it cuts your unborn grandchildren and orks literally survive by the power of God and anime. The more over the top the greater the chance of succeeding in unforseen ways.
Favorite Alpha Legion theory is that only half turned truly traitor, however each side is pretending to be the opposite in order to sabotage them. I.e loyalists pretending to be traitor and traitors pretending to be loyalists
Can't wait for the Alpha Legion and Salamanders
"yeah vulkan held a 7 ton lizard for 3 days while hanging off a cliff"
Theyll never do Alpha Legion. You need to actually know what your talking about, otherwise all conversations devolve into "I am Alpharious and/or Omegon" meme reguritation.
Trust me, Im Alpharious.
@@brosephnoonan223 So this was a fucking lie
@@heavystalin2419 He's Alpharius
Or Omegon
Funny thing is chaos knew Horus would loose and began planting seeds of ambition in Abaddon, you need to keep in mind the galaxy as it is constant fighting etc suits the chaos gods more than a down right victory, the chaos gods gain more from the path to victory than victory itself. Abaddon eventually begins to resent Horus and call him a failure, he believes that it was Horus giving into the power of the warp that doomed them (reason Abaddon hasn’t become a demon prince yet) Abaddon will use chaos as a weapon but he will not let it rule him.
22:17 Great, know I can't get the image out of my head where Konrard Curz is slaying people and dancing to hardbass.
We played Dark Heresy: Ascension with my girlfriend and she proved, how truly (h)armless Abaddon is. To be short: Biomancy shenanigans. She used Flesh Sculptor to shrunk to fly size, fly into Abby's ear and then started transforming into an Ork. Because of very poor wording, there is no upper or lower limit to how biomant Psyker can change his or her size. So she literally blew chunk of Abaddon's inner ear off and then proceed to maul him, while he was down. I had to use Zeraphiston to teleport him away. We never could take Abaddon seriously afterwards)
This literally how people expected Thanos to die before Endgame, but with Antman, _and not through the ear..._
@@THExRISER LMAO)
Your girlfriend is badass!
>Ascension
>A PSYKER in ascension
Psykers are gods at level 1, howre you acting like 20+ levels MORE of godhood is really impressive?
@@brosephnoonan223 By clever application of god-like abilities, of course)
From what I understand, terminator armor was considered FARMING Equipment in the dark age of technology
Nah, it was designed to protect reactor repairmen if I remember correctly
You're thinking of Imperial Knights.
Terminator Armor was basically the dark age of technology equivalent to a super Hazmat suit that was designed for mechanics doing repairs on active fusion reactors (which is insane).
@@habibihabibi7115
Imagine what the gooood shit was
@@cadenglass1387 I once saw a pretty cool rendition of dark age terminator armor. Looks like some Star Wars shit. Like a really, really angry, roided up stormtrooper.
@@cadenglass1387 images.app.goo.gl/ZDsYo32zPSz18Sxw7
I think this is the one
Even though Black Legion is the heretic equivalent of Ultamarines, I personally think they’re cooler than the boys in blue.
A local Inquisitor is on his way to you now.
The red corsairs is waaaay cooler then the black legion.._
Thousand Sons are superior
@@GarmrsBarking hhmmmm
Because they are? After UM has been turnes into an unlikable faction with unlikable characters basically any other chapter, faction seem more interesting.
I really would like to thank y’all for getting me back into 40k, I haven’t been this interested in the lore for the last five years. Y’all’ve really made my day with all this awesome content.
I'm going to start referring to him as Kyle now😂
Im dying laughing that bricky forgot about the secret stealthy KGB legion for the longest time! Oh I hope they get new stuff they be the first sorta chaos legion I'd buy.
The blackstone fortress's were used by the eldar to shard the void dragon (they needed to combine the power of all of them to shard the full c'tan maybe that speaks to the c'tans power)
It's implied the dragon survived the attack but was weakened by the eldar fortresses, the exact reference escapes me but it has something to do with inquisitor hoth.
@@thomasmacabee8361 from what ive read he did survive but was turned into shards like the other c'tan a big void dragon shard might be the one the emperor trapped inside mars
The Terminator armor is still built, but it is like comparing a Baneblade to a Leman Russ. Terminator armor is extremely expensive to build, even for power armor. As a result, it is rare to see, and very hard to be given a set.
Pretty poetic that Horus reborn, the guy who rebelled against the emperor to follow his own path, was put down by Abaddon: Horus' own 'son' choosing his own path
He also killed his father in the same manner he swore to avenge him.
"How do you lose with a sword like that?"
You don't. Getting that sword was the win.
If you aren't versed in weeb, think of Isekai as "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court".
The black stone fortresses were created by Vaal the Eldar smith god, fun fact Vaal used all 12 fortresses he created to destroy the Void Dragon Ctan even then it only shattered the Dragon into a few shards and not the thousands that others were
I thought it was a bit ambiguous, in that a lot of different factions had different ideas about them. I know that the Eldar think that they're created by Vaul but I didn't think that was confirmed
Maybe they were created by a Vaal? Like maybe an old one bore that name first? Just occurs to me because we know the Eldar were created by the old ones. But even that is stretching it.
I don't know if I could've survived this series for so long if not for Shy's memes
The Black Crusades were all according to plan! Each of the twelve "failed" crusades accomplished a goal that was instrumental in the culmination at the 13th. Chaos plays a longer game than the Imperium could possibly realize
But don’t forget that the only reason the 13th one succeeded was because Abby happened to have a blackstone fortress.
@@mapleflag6518 and where did he get it? Oh right a Black Crusade
Alright alright alright thanks for the content, you want a pizza? I got pizza, any type of pizza, just for yall three
I would like to thank the academy for my ability to get highlighted twice 🏆🥈
Pineapple pizza
Fuck yall it's my favourite one
Now give
double cheese with kiwi
@@0100-u7k tempted now
Thank you for doing us boys in Black Good, Bricky! I was worried it was going to be all memes and taunts but I loved it! For the Black Legion!
36:57 *Horus beating the crap out of Thousand Sons psyker* Shy - "LOL gotta clean up the dust" JESUS
Terminator armour, or tactical dreadnought armour, is particularly useful in hazardous environments. Any pressure from space to high gravity planets. They are rare archeotech, but of course they also need to be used in the most dangerous situations, like spacehulks, so sometimes chapters will later attempt to reclaim such relics for the chapter.
The siege of vraks would be such a good topic to cover
Probably the most important battle of the death korps and one of those battles that started with 2 sides and ended with multiple chaos legions and astartes with DREADKNOUGHTS AND KNIGHTS and the death korps were just like "fuck yeah more shit to kill in the name of the emperor am I right?"
Shy's editing is so good!!
I love how everyone shies away from doing an Alpha Legion video ahaha
It’s because he is Alpharius.
@@cryamistellimek9184 WE are Alpharius
@@dfs3537 yes we are
@@Hammer_Of_Olympia No, I AM ALPHARIUS
Terminator armor is incredibly well written, it was designed to be a replacement to power armor but the legions didn’t want it to due to the fact it was way to slow. And adMech hasn’t lost the ability to make Indomitus armor they just can’t create it quickly.
Adeptus Ridiculous is my probs my fav podcast/show rn 🤙🤙🤙
Fun Fact guys: Terminator armor was considered Civillian Grade power armor during the DAOT.
Probably came with it’s own worker’s union paperwork. I can already imagine some working stiff being asked if he’s terminator armor certified.
I listen to each episode twice. First on Spotify when it releases, and again on youtube the day after.
Shrine of Chaos and Dice Check have set their gaze upon you! Mark of Dave bestowed
Fun fact: in italy there is this concept of "bestemmiare" which is a huge deal in italy.
It saying a particular saint/religious figure next to a slur or insult toward that figure.
So for the word bearers to be italian it's strangely fitting
Bile made perfect clones out of primarchs. Including Fulgrim.
Also, Abadon was juiced by warp gods. New Horus was not. And unarmed. And still fought fairly well.
Abs wasn't juiced when he and his men put down the Horus clone, he only gets Warp-crack after Uralan.
59:40 Bricky about to get actuallied by Luigi. That one has to hurt.
Love to see an episode on the black templars and the legion of the damned
DK: I guess you can call me a WH-beginner anymore
SHY: you totally can
made my day
Ive been a fan for years and i still feel like im a beginner. Theres sooo much lore, helps work go by faster.
I'm glad bricky remembered the great horned rat, the fifth chaos god without even knowing it
I learn how to properly say Abaddon's name from John Peter Bain whenever 40K is brought up in his podcasts. Rest in Peace man
How do you properly say his name?
@@dorukhanozen2580
Yabba Dabbadon
@@brosephnoonan223 Who would be the BoBo standing next to Yabba Dabbadon ?
@@dorukhanozen2580 It's pronounced "Kyle"
For leman russ episode you guys should collab with voiceactor from what if emps had TTS
And same about imperial fists
Yes please an Emperor’s Children episode!
Bricky: Some guy is so angry I'm forgetting his Legion.
Shy: [ANGRIEST QUIET NON-NOISES]
My merch-shirt came today! Unfortunately either myself, AdRid or the postal service messed up so its 2 sizes to small and has the woman cut, but it still looks pretty dope.
And here I hoped, that you'll gonna speak about a Hero of the Imperium during 12th Black Crusade - Lord Admiral Spire.
Spire ? Wasn't he in the ciphas Cain series
@@sodagod4709 He was a main protagonist of a game "Battlefleet Gothic: Armada 1&2". BG:A1 was during 12th Black Crusade and BG:A2 was a little after the fall of Cadia.
During BG:A1 he was a captain of Dauntless Class Light Cruiser and after several battles with chaos was promoted to Admiral and tasked with defending the Gothic Sector from Abaddon. After 12th Black Crusade failed the madlad gave chase after Abaddon into the Immaterium. When he emerged it was a Little over 800 years and he heard a distress signal coming from Cadian Sector.
Of course, he isn't canon, but damn, Such a wasted opportunity.
57:53 - the gif that epitomizes Shy's absolute disgust.
They can make terminator armor but it’s extremely difficult and can take years to make full suits due to the rare and expensive materials needed to make them.
The Talon of Horus was originally built by the Dark Mechanicum for Warmaster Horus shortly before the start of the Horus Heresy, but was taken up by Abaddon after his master's death and the reclamation of Horus' body from the hands of the Emperor's Children following the Battle of Harmony.
In case someone hasn't already mentioned it: Abaddon's sword, Drach'nyen, was once a major Chaos daemon lord in charge of a fuckoff-huge army of daemons and fought against the Custodes and Silent Sisters in the Webway during the Heresy. The Emperor had to conjure up a literal fucking star to close the portal to prevent the daemons from overrunning the palace.
Dude, shy is bringing it these last few episodes. Keep it up, you're really making an already great show something special.
Abbadon gripping the maul is such a baller move
>The best loyalist is the head of the chaos faction
>Hes the best loyalist because he can literally only beat OTHER chaos guys
I so love these podcasts, I always wait, with no patience at all, for the next one. They are always THE height of my week! Keep 'em coming guys!
Shy’s editing is so great
Gotta say i love these longer form episodes they're perfect for work!
That moment that Alpha Legion was so good at stealth and infiltration, they removed themselves from Bricky's script XD
What a pleasant surprise
Getting another release of my favorite podcast on my birthday
May yall have a pleasant day
dave and matt said hi from MWG and Dicecheck
I was the one who made and posted Eresus on your Twitter!!😁
(Let me use this to ask for a Craftworlds episode!)
i hope after the fall they talk about the legion of the damned. while they dont have a ton of lore it is really cool and i always found them to be a very interesting topic. more so after cadia fell and the galaxy was split in half but they kept showing up even though there was no way for like half the worlds they popped up on to have called for help. ive always liked the theory that they are basicly daemons of the emperor being summoned by a critical mass of people dying in his name
Before, I would listen to these podcasts. But now I HAVE to watch them because I don't want to miss out on Shy's humor
The Communist bugs picture. Shy, you continue to be the driving force of my laughter in these podcast
The fact that Abaddon is the face of Chaos undivided when Perterabo is a whole ass Primarch and actually doing the "using the powers of each Chaos god while kneeling to none of them" thing way better, is the ultimate injustice.
All hail the almighty Fallus Sussus, cousin to Biggus Dickus
Abaddon killing Horus is a full circle moment showing he was able to accomplish what Horus could not, kill his own father when he had the chance.
Abaddon basically won every black crusade, it's just his goals where never to topple the imperium, it was all to prepare for the fall of cadia tearing the galaxies ass open.
If Abby didn’t have that Blackstone fortress the 13th black crusade would have been a total failure.
True! It's even supported in the really really really really old lore
It's a-ba-ddon.
And for the ones wondering about shy voice, she's part of the what-to-become adeptus mechanicus.