Yeah, most likely. Honestly I wouldn't have an issue with the multiverse involvement if it was a game focused on the Justice League instead of the Suicide Squad. At least it makes sense considering that the Justice League has stories involving the Multiverse like Crisis on Two Earth.
The multiverse was a cool concept 5 years ago, because the only superhero media using it was "The Flash/Arrowverse". Then, the MCU started using it. DC started using it more and more. Even Indie movies like "Everything Everywhere All At Once" started using it. It's played out now
It is multiverse. There’s a tape in the game where Lawton is asking Lex about the origins of his Arkham city counterpart. Lex (earth-2) dismissed him, but at the end of the tape it’s implied that Lex knows the backstory about both deadshots.
Brainiac never even contacted them for peaceful negotiations. He showed up in his big ass skull and parked that thing in Metropolis airspace. Superman decides, “They could be friendly. Let’s all go on his ship with no plan, it’ll be great. Don’t be xenophobic.” and it turns out to be an ambush. Who could’ve predicted that?… Everyone, that’s who.
I can still see Superman doing this tho. The dude is hope incarnate and because of that it usually bites him. But Batman going along with that stupid idea? Hell no
@@nerocrow4040 Superman is the personification of hope, but that doesn't mean he's stupid, I'm quiet certain that any other (well written) Superman would have seen that this is a bad idea This entire scenario with the league agreeing to speak with the big evil alien guy just seems extremely forced and as if the writers didn't know how to logically make the entire team get brainwashed at once It makes the League look extremely dumb not only because they agreed to meet with him, but also because (from what we can learn from the audio logs and certain easter eggs scattered across the map) they have already dealt with alien invaders before in this universe. The writing in this game its just... its just pain
And not to mention John a green lantern a literal space cop and has dealt with multiple aliens would have at least heard something slightly about brainiac somewhere in the universe
Oracle is still alive, after a Hack mission Batman mentions that soon “this hacker” will soon be captured and turned and also mentions Oracle will join them soon too Also, I think Tim is still alive, I always go with “If there’s no body, they may still be alive”
exactly i never believed that Tim died because all we see is Robins mask and King Shark saying “Robin was here, looks like he did not win.” or something along those lines but they never say he died. I took it as him and batman got into a fight and robin got injured and bled somehow got his mask off and either fled or something. They would’ve shown a body or something since they don’t mind showing dead bodies later on
To be honest, Jason’s probably future DLC, he’s got guns, and will probably dislike the Squad for either A. Killing his father Or B. Killing his father before HE could
Some of the Riddler’s audio logs bring up how she moved out of Gotham, and you can see some postcards in Batman’s signed with a kiss and with the initials “SK”. Implying that Batman and Catwoman may have restarted their relationship. (it’s also eluded that Riddler knows where Catwoman is, so she might not be safe.)
Nah Eddie learned not to fuck with Catwoman real quick when she and Batman beat the shit out of him, she took all his money, and smashed all his stuff while he was in prison I wouldnt mess with her after that
@@GirlGamerHacker You wouldn't mess with her because you have common sense, and the ability to recognize when you're beaten. The Ridder, however, has neither of those. The man is very smart, he is also a deeply insecure Individual. So it's likely he would take a second go at Catwoman, the moment he got a chance too. Even if it's a *very* bad idea.
I have to add, that the postcards are taken straight from Arkham VR which takes place before Arkham Knight. It has the exact same globe and newspapers and postcards, and it's most likely he just moved it from the Manor to his vault. Basically they're pre-Arkham Knight, but yes, Selina is alive.
You missed a dialogue about Oracle. There’s a line that evil Batman says something along the lines of Hack being a powerful tech asset “We will need to assimilate her AND oracle.” Implying that Oracle is still alive
@The_Mecha_Archivistthe whole disrespectful to his legacy thing honestly is dumb to me. Like I get not liking the game and what they did to Batman, but he chose to do this role, he read the script, he was ok with it and the way it played out. We the fans may not like it, but he did so it is not disrespectful to him or his legacy.
@@seanbhz Well if that is true then it was still poorly executed. Adding Bloodsport would still create synergy by making 3 of the main characters from the second movie in the game.
I think the new Deadshot is actually from another universe. Lex and everyone else is confused by the new one not the old. Which means the new one is the odd man out.
Only problem with that is that the old one was much more public and widely known, so the public perception is that he's white. It'd be like if a white Will Smith showed up, you'd think the black one is the original because you've seen more of him
In the seventh audio tape Luthor starts poking holes into the earth 2 deadshot theory such as the white one appearing before luthor develops the dimension technology so the new one is probably from another earth
You can actually find red hood’s helmet on display next to trophies from Batman’s rogues gallery. I don’t know if this implies he is dead or not, but it is worth noting
Main issue with the plot is batman not having a contigency plan. Altough the league would have followed Superman's plan I don't see him coming to brainiac's ship unprepared.
@@gregorykennedyfulYou cannot tell me Batman, who prepared a mecha robot to eliminate himself and created contingency plans for all of the other league members and essentially every possible situation to ever arise would not have prepared for an enemy brainwashing people. I mean, there are characters that have abilities similar in essence, so it’s not something that far stretched or unknown, magic exists, multiple villains have abilities that include altering a person’s mind or perception, and the league in lore in the game has already dealt with alien races contacting and trying to invade earth. He’s Batman, I doubt he’d go „Ah, yes, an alien ship of someone we have no idea of just landed and Supe says we should try to all go there together to do some talking. I should definitely come without thinking of any kind of plan in case it turns out surprisingly that the visitors who just parked in front of metropolis are evil actually. Let’s go“. That’s anti-Batman-y.
@@Madd_GH he made a robot to stop himself which he knows everything about, also he didn’t know brainiac could brainwash people and the brainwashing is irreversible as stated in the game and another thing batman trusts Superman just like he went to darkseid’s planet without knowing what’s gonna be there
@@Madd_GH And the league hasn’t really dealt with much together yeah green lanterns fought the sinestro corp but the justice league in the game have only been together for 5 years
Truthfully, I say that Deadshot from this game should have been the one stated to be from another Universe. Have him think that he is in his original Universe until some point in the game and have him deal with the revelation.
Thank you for mentioning apokolips war because when you asked why would superman be so dumb at the beginning literally my out loud response was " I dunno ask apokolips war superman he sure spearheaded that dumpster fire of an ending"
I hope Tim is actually still alive. They can’t do the third Robin like this. Hopefully after this he comes back alive with scars and as Red Robin like in the comics and Damian, being born before Arkham City becomes Robin in a future game. I would love to see Stuart Allen reprise his role as Damian for the ArkhamVerse. To me he is Damian Wayne.
God, the possibilities, Red Hood and/or Tim teaching Damien the ways of being Robin or even Batman, maybe both pulling him different ways. Jason urging Damien to kill, Tim pleading with him not to, ah, please RockSteady.
@@JamesJome123 they must do it along with a Red Hood game in the style of the Red Hood dlc from Arkham Knight with Troy Baker reprising his role as Jason Todd aka Red Hood himself and a Batgirl game where her spine is finally repaired after a few years and becoming Batgirl again just like in the comics with either Ashley Greene reprising her role as Barbara aka Batgirl or Tara Strong voicing Batgirl
Jason and Bruce’s falling out is understandable though, considering the suffering Jason went through and becoming the Arkham Knight and their whole fight and even though Jason saves Bruce in the end of AK, i guess their clashing ideologies and yknow, Jason still holding a grudge against Bruce for not saving him when he was Robin would lead him to branch off from the Batfamily
I can confirm this Dialogue with Harley and Catwoman. There is also one from the Calls with Riddler where Deadshot asks Riddler how he got out of Arkham. Riddler tells them how he got out due...some bribary which helped him to get out for the "missunderstanding" with Catwoman. He also said that she took all of his money and moved away from Gotham. He also knows where she is but gets cut off by Harley.
Everyone is alive and well, don't worry guys. Characters not mentioned are well and the League are clones created by Brainiac (according to the leaks) and the real ones are in the main ship.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the leaks do not confirm they are clones or even how they are coming back, just that they are coming back. Still holding out hope, but really don’t think bringing them back is going to fix how bad this story is
One of Batmans voice lines whenever exploring the city mentions how oracle would make a valuable addition to Brainiacs forces. And batman has post cards from Catwoman
Catwoman is still alive, she’s just retired from her days as Catwoman. She stole the Riddler’s fortune from him after the events of Arkham Knight in Catwoman’s Revenge DLC. Riddler in SS managed to track down Catwoman and he wanted to get revenge on her and he tried to hire Harley Quinn to help him but Harley wasn’t going to help Riddler because Catwoman and Harley Quinn are friends and Harley wasn’t going to let anything happen to her friends.
16:30 Batman references Oracle through in game commentary, saying something along the lines of how the Resistance has a powerful hacker on their side, and that they should be integrated, and later down the line they would do the same to Oracle.
I think a game about batman fighting the justice league would've been cool. Especially after hearing the voice logs. Imagine after finding out that the Justice league can't be saved he has to break his "no kill" rule for the greater good for humanity. Or he would have to work with the suicide squad too. Or we play as the suicide squad and work with batman.
Re: the Bat Family I would assume Nightwing was busy in Bludhaven, Catwoman probably went somewhere having stolen Riddler's money in AK, and also I wonder what happened to Azrael? You could say he was in the family too. Oracle? No idea maybe helping her dad since he became mayor perhaps?
What was the cannon ending of heir to the cowl though? Did Azrael try to kill Batman and get locked up at the GCPD, or did he leave on good terms with Batman and go after the order?
@@marlo176 I'd assume that Azrael ended up siding with batman, because there is would be absolutely no reason not to include him in the squad otherwise. Dude was trained by batman himself.
Riddler mentions her in a Present tense in the audio logs, when talking to the Squad. He mentions when Catwoman took revenge on him after Arkham Knight, and used the money to move out of Gotham. Here's the interesting part; He states that he found her adress, and is about to reveal it, when Harley gets angry and interrupts him, telling him not to doxx her. Since he's speaking in present tense about her, we can assume she's still out there.
If this Batman is sleep deprived then it’d be neat if Tim used that and maybe the voice synthesizer or fear toxin to fake his death and make Batman think he’s becoming forgetful.
Yeah, Batman definitely wasn’t a founding member of the League. It’s weird but, so is going on an alien spaceship and allowing himself to be mind controlled.
This game giving an "explanation" for the different Deadshots doesn't mean it's not a retcon. Retcon means retroactive continuity, which this is by definition.
I just love trying to figure out the timeline black deadshot causes now, because the white deadshot from origins and city literally had a military background and was in multiple databases, yet is somehow the one from a different earth. If black deadshot was from this earth, then why is the white deadshot in multiple databases for years now
As a Superman fan, I'd have no doubt he'd try peace talks but in a much safer way. Send a message to move the talk to a field away from civilians. Get other heroes aware of the situation, just in case. IF Supergirl exists, talk to her about Brainiac.
@@creepypastareader2390 no? would he attempt peace first? yeah, but blindly like this? no, especially when he genuinely cares about the advise of the other league members. it's simply a case that this game and the movie you brought up are examples when people who don't know or care for the character write him and you get slop.
Well maybe Nightwing is alive or dead we see his escrima sticks on display when we go collect the traversal for the squad at the hall of justice soo either 1. The escrima sticks are there to honor him maybe he died or something before ssktjl 2. He retired from being Nightwing and just gave it to the league to have something to remember him by 3. They could just be a fake one or a prototype and Nightwing still has the real ones
Well in the Nightwing DLC in AK when cash tried to offer Nightwing a new light symbol on the roof of the GCPD, he says “Thanks but this isn’t permanent” so I think he may have retired some time after Knight.
Actually about the catwoman part, when you go into the hidden bunker in the Wayne financial bank, you can find post cards from Salina and locations on a globe with little cutouts of news papers saying diamond heist in Cairo and other places.
@@lightdarksoul2097I think Jason may have fought corrupted Bruce, but lost like he did in the game and barely escaped his second death and may have returned to Gotham or is licking his wounds somewhere.
@@eznf98 mabye the bat family are busy getting gotham ready, would be cool to see the city turn into a dark fotress of the night and seeing both the bat family and their rouges gallery working together to make sure no one dies
Something I haven't heard anyone talk about is that the Lex Luthor we have at the end of the game that people think is Brainiac is voiced by Corey Burton. Corey Burton voiced Brainiac in the Superman animated series as well as DC universe online. I'm not sure if this is just a reference or coincidence but he's doing pretty much the same voice in this game so I think it's intentional.
I'm betting that one of the future dlc characters is Jason. He uses guns so he would work in the gameplay, he'd be a gateway to expand on some more bat lore, and it'd make money.
I don't think the bridges with Jason are burned, just strained. Before you go after Batman Boomerang tries to say none of the bat family are scary and mentions Jason. That means he's at least publicly associated with them, maybe working with them on occasion and barely keeping contact
you got to remember @GothamPaladin, brainiac already fought the Justice league before so obviously he knows how to defeat them however, Brainiac hasn't fought the Suicide Squad before, that's probably why he lost, and also the justice league uses there fists and strengths, but the suicide squad uses guns
I haven't played the game but hearing the first part about how Brainiac took over the Justice League would have made a really good premise for a solo batman game still set in the Arkham universe in my eyes. Granted I'm not 100% familiar with the Arkham games but having Batman come out of hiding because Superman lead the Justice league into Brainiac's trap and have the players delve into one of Batman's greatest challenges of executing his contingency plans sounds more engaging as a solo story driven game over this live-service looter shooter. In fact this premise could be used as a way introduce the Arkham games universe to have other members of the league have their own game about them if Batman's plan is to save the members of the League instead of kill them. Idk might also not be a great game but still better in my eyes than what we got as Kevin Conroy's last contribution to Batman, a metaphorical performance of him not only saving the Justice League in game but also birthing a DC gaming genre.
I believe evil batman talks about trying to find Oracle to assimilate her to Brainiac's army. I watched the Batman Arkham Videos gameplay and am almost certain in one of the first episodes Batman says that, so Barbara is most likely still alive.
Barbara is still alive bc Batman mentions that Brainiac could use Hack and Orical on their side while roaming the open world. I think Tim is alive and the mask we saw was actually the start of the fear gas kicking in. I would like to think Night Wing is still at large and running the Teen Titans. I'm hoping they create an expansion that is called eneminate the Titans? But unlike the base game you can choose to kill them or spare them.
We could've had a gotham knights battle for the cowl storyline in the Arkhamverse smfh, red hood, nughtwing, azrael, Tim, Batwoman, Damian, cassandra cain and it could've been live service. It would've made so much sense for all of them to see compete whos who's fit for the mantle of the bat and the villain would've been the court of owls ofc
I hope the leaks about the Justice league being revived is true, so that some of the damage is undone. I also think that the Arkham Justice league (if it continues) is that new members will come into the league after it’s created, like the show Justice league unlimited, because the league realizes that they are weaker than they thought. So maybe green arrow was is just against joining the league like in the jlu show
@@baushey5708yall are sad, so the damage can ve undone? Give me a break. If yall would just be patient and stop whining you would know that they already said they have 9 months of content planned already. Obv its not gonna end how it is now geez
No no deadass this would work, Martian Manhunter was teased in AK and Oliver (Green Arrow) plus Black Canary and more, its crazy to think they all have been part of the justice league before so i can see this working if they really want too
Oracle is still alive. In the game, evil Batman tells brainiac that he wants to know who hack is. After he says that he brings up getting oracle saying how her mind, as well as hack’s will be beneficial for brainiac
I think arkham deadshot is the original and i think it makes sense for ss deadshot to be from a different universe. Also arkham batman knew it was a trap after experiencing everything he went through in city and knight. Hes a expert on reading people, even without meeting them usually
On the mission where you enter batmans bank vault, theres a table that has a bunch of post cards that are marked from "SK" with lips on it, and a globe next to it with a newspaper clipping (i forgot the headline but im assuming it was about a heist) so i'm pretty sure she went on the run before the events of this game, and he was looking for her
I like to think that the other Hero's have their hands full at this time trying to rescue Civilians and keeping them safe from this threat and trying to stay low to build a plan or something since it would take a ton of effort without Batmans plans to take down the JL
I will for ever pretend that the Justice League was created after Arkham City and during Arkham Khight he was in a break from the League but after all that was over he returned later on to the League thanks to Superman
Yeah it wouldn't really make sense since even in the first Arkham game it's heavily implied that the league exists with his threats of the bombs being like if I see any costumed crusaders or such I'll set them off implying that the league exists and joker is bluffing to keep the league from interfering
In the Suicide squad kill Justice League game there is Riddler Tapes, you can unlock in the first tape. Riddler tracks Catwoman down but then. He was about to say where she was and harley came in and stoped him from saying were she is , so she's okay and Riddler does know as far as i found out i am gussing she will be a playable Character at some point 🤷♂️
Ain’t no way Bruce got caught. He would’ve DEFINITELY went against what everyone wanted to figure out that Brainiac was plotting against them. He would’ve just gave one of them a micro walkie talkie and said “I’ll just listen from Metropolis”
Man, i sure do love all of the important and extremely relevant information being reigated to audio logs that i have to stop playing the game to listen to instead of experiencing it as part of the normal gameplay loop. It sure is the best.
It’s suggested in one of the random Batman dialogues that Oracle was integrated into brainiacs army for her technological know how. The exact quote is follows when Batman discovers the Squad have a hacker and states she will be integrated “along with Oracle in time”. If you’re interested, I uploaded the clip to my UA-cam channel.
This is really cool, but I took it to mean oracle hasn’t been integrated yet “along with oracle in time” suggests both WILL be integrated, but haven’t yet? Cool either way
I am honestly so done with this game. I hate everything that I did to this universe. I mean it’s not even canon to me anymore. I can’t deal with it just a Weather thing what they did the Batman hurts
I think oracle is still out there. There’s a voice line from Batman saying that Hack would make good use to brainiac, and that Batman should get oracle too.
The fact that they made Arkham Batman the most strongest and smartest itirations of batman just waltz up there with Green Lantern and Superman ???? I would've expected him to have more common sense
it's a shame that all the good story stuff is reduced to audio logs and not actually in the game, there should have been playable flashback sequences where you play as the justice league
Honestly the Deadshot thing might be another stupid excuse to use the multiverse.
Yeah, most likely. Honestly I wouldn't have an issue with the multiverse involvement if it was a game focused on the Justice League instead of the Suicide Squad. At least it makes sense considering that the Justice League has stories involving the Multiverse like Crisis on Two Earth.
They could’ve explained it as a whole “mantle” thing. Maybe one passes on the title to a protege.
The multiverse was a cool concept 5 years ago, because the only superhero media using it was "The Flash/Arrowverse".
Then, the MCU started using it. DC started using it more and more. Even Indie movies like "Everything Everywhere All At Once" started using it.
It's played out now
It is multiverse. There’s a tape in the game where Lawton is asking Lex about the origins of his Arkham city counterpart. Lex (earth-2) dismissed him, but at the end of the tape it’s implied that Lex knows the backstory about both deadshots.
The current DC comics are all multiverse, DC comics has been multiverse for the longest time? Y’all just don’t read comics lmfao 😭
In Arkham Knight you can find Martian Manhunters name in the police building so he exists to
That would have been a nice twist if he managed to avoid brainiac and helps out in the end
@@war4nl1Bro, if he was there, Brainiac would have been crushed so fast. 😂
@@maxm.m.7219nah brainiac would take him out first like he does in most cases
He'd probably break all of them of the mimd control
@@maxm.m.7219What? No he wouldn’t. Terrible game of not, Manhunter would not win as easily as you make it seem.
Brainiac never even contacted them for peaceful negotiations. He showed up in his big ass skull and parked that thing in Metropolis airspace. Superman decides, “They could be friendly. Let’s all go on his ship with no plan, it’ll be great. Don’t be xenophobic.” and it turns out to be an ambush. Who could’ve predicted that?…
Everyone, that’s who.
Dammit, Superman!
I can still see Superman doing this tho. The dude is hope incarnate and because of that it usually bites him. But Batman going along with that stupid idea? Hell no
@@nerocrow4040 Superman is the personification of hope, but that doesn't mean he's stupid, I'm quiet certain that any other (well written) Superman would have seen that this is a bad idea
This entire scenario with the league agreeing to speak with the big evil alien guy just seems extremely forced and as if the writers didn't know how to logically make the entire team get brainwashed at once
It makes the League look extremely dumb not only because they agreed to meet with him, but also because (from what we can learn from the audio logs and certain easter eggs scattered across the map) they have already dealt with alien invaders before in this universe.
The writing in this game its just... its just pain
And not to mention John a green lantern a literal space cop and has dealt with multiple aliens would have at least heard something slightly about brainiac somewhere in the universe
@@Rek267
He literally went on a killing spree in Injustice and handed the Earth over to Darkseid in DCAMU. Yes. He IS stupid.
Oracle is still alive, after a Hack mission Batman mentions that soon “this hacker” will soon be captured and turned and also mentions Oracle will join them soon too
Also, I think Tim is still alive, I always go with “If there’s no body, they may still be alive”
I heard that Oracle reference too. Definitely alive.
exactly i never believed that Tim died because all we see is Robins mask and King Shark saying “Robin was here, looks like he did not win.” or something along those lines but they never say he died. I took it as him and batman got into a fight and robin got injured and bled somehow got his mask off and either fled or something. They would’ve shown a body or something since they don’t mind showing dead bodies later on
To be honest, Jason’s probably future DLC, he’s got guns, and will probably dislike the Squad for either
A. Killing his father
Or
B. Killing his father before HE could
@@JamesJome123 probably for killing Batman since at the end of AK he didn’t want Batman dead since he saves him from Scarecrow
@@JamesJome123he won’t care it’s a evil Batman even Jason would understand Bruce would want that
1:42 "we're in this together, gang" why tf is superman talking like Fred from scooby-doo?
I wish this game wasn’t canon
@@Joheshoh yeah, you’re really improving optics and reception of this game
What game? There is no gsme
@@Joheshway to show people you can't read.
What game? I have never heard of SSKTJL?
What are you talking about? Rocksteady hasn’t made a game since Arkham knight
Some of the Riddler’s audio logs bring up how she moved out of Gotham, and you can see some postcards in Batman’s signed with a kiss and with the initials “SK”. Implying that Batman and Catwoman may have restarted their relationship. (it’s also eluded that Riddler knows where Catwoman is, so she might not be safe.)
Nah Eddie learned not to fuck with Catwoman real quick when she and Batman beat the shit out of him, she took all his money, and smashed all his stuff while he was in prison I wouldnt mess with her after that
@@GirlGamerHacker
You wouldn't mess with her because you have common sense, and the ability to recognize when you're beaten.
The Ridder, however, has neither of those.
The man is very smart, he is also a deeply insecure Individual.
So it's likely he would take a second go at Catwoman, the moment he got a chance too.
Even if it's a *very* bad idea.
Do I swear I’ve seen your account in other comments before
Restarted? Did Bruce and Selena got together after Arkham Knight and broke up?
I have to add, that the postcards are taken straight from Arkham VR which takes place before Arkham Knight. It has the exact same globe and newspapers and postcards, and it's most likely he just moved it from the Manor to his vault. Basically they're pre-Arkham Knight, but yes, Selina is alive.
You missed a dialogue about Oracle.
There’s a line that evil Batman says something along the lines of Hack being a powerful tech asset
“We will need to assimilate her AND oracle.”
Implying that Oracle is still alive
@The_Mecha_Archivistthe whole disrespectful to his legacy thing honestly is dumb to me. Like I get not liking the game and what they did to Batman, but he chose to do this role, he read the script, he was ok with it and the way it played out. We the fans may not like it, but he did so it is not disrespectful to him or his legacy.
The way they handled Deadshot is so lazy. If they wanted a black guy so bad they should’ve added Bloodsport
Agree I would of liked that more and it would make more sense.
they didnt just ''want a black guy'' they wanted brand synergy with will smiths deadshot
@@seanbhzyeah sure but the way they scripted it was ultra lazy
@@seanbhz Well if that is true then it was still poorly executed. Adding Bloodsport would still create synergy by making 3 of the main characters from the second movie in the game.
I would have replaced Deathshot with Slade as the character Slade was already part of the Suicide Squad at one point
I think the new Deadshot is actually from another universe. Lex and everyone else is confused by the new one not the old. Which means the new one is the odd man out.
Interesting honestly id rather a tale of two deadshots and see how that story played out
Only problem with that is that the old one was much more public and widely known, so the public perception is that he's white. It'd be like if a white Will Smith showed up, you'd think the black one is the original because you've seen more of him
In the seventh audio tape Luthor starts poking holes into the earth 2 deadshot theory such as the white one appearing before luthor develops the dimension technology so the new one is probably from another earth
I mean one of Deadshots most common voice lines is “this is not my reality” normally when you miss a shot. Coincidence?
@@badplays6036 this is probably an alternate arkham verse
You can actually find red hood’s helmet on display next to trophies from Batman’s rogues gallery. I don’t know if this implies he is dead or not, but it is worth noting
He mentioned that the others needed to find Jason so no he likely just fought him and took the helmet as a prize but Jason is out there
the helmet he throws in Arkham Knight is different from the one he uses at the end of the game IIRC
Main issue with the plot is batman not having a contigency plan. Altough the league would have followed Superman's plan I don't see him coming to brainiac's ship unprepared.
Batman can’t make a contingency plan towards an unknown enemy he only does it to people he knows about
@@gregorykennedyfulYou cannot tell me Batman, who prepared a mecha robot to eliminate himself and created contingency plans for all of the other league members and essentially every possible situation to ever arise would not have prepared for an enemy brainwashing people. I mean, there are characters that have abilities similar in essence, so it’s not something that far stretched or unknown, magic exists, multiple villains have abilities that include altering a person’s mind or perception, and the league in lore in the game has already dealt with alien races contacting and trying to invade earth. He’s Batman, I doubt he’d go „Ah, yes, an alien ship of someone we have no idea of just landed and Supe says we should try to all go there together to do some talking. I should definitely come without thinking of any kind of plan in case it turns out surprisingly that the visitors who just parked in front of metropolis are evil actually. Let’s go“. That’s anti-Batman-y.
@@Madd_GH he made a robot to stop himself which he knows everything about, also he didn’t know brainiac could brainwash people and the brainwashing is irreversible as stated in the game and another thing batman trusts Superman just like he went to darkseid’s planet without knowing what’s gonna be there
@@Madd_GH And the league hasn’t really dealt with much together yeah green lanterns fought the sinestro corp but the justice league in the game have only been together for 5 years
Big facts. The contingency plan should’ve been the Martian Manhunter.
Truthfully, I say that Deadshot from this game should have been the one stated to be from another Universe. Have him think that he is in his original Universe until some point in the game and have him deal with the revelation.
I can see it being a plot twist where he found out that he was the Deadshot from a different universe.
@@derekpayneszubliminals7723 I wish that the writers were smart enough to do it, but alas, I have reason to believe that they aren't.
@@mikebottomlesspitdunham2954ay, never say never man
@@brun0z691 I wish I could have your optimism.
@@derekpayneszubliminals7723was thinking the same thing
Thank you for mentioning apokolips war because when you asked why would superman be so dumb at the beginning literally my out loud response was " I dunno ask apokolips war superman he sure spearheaded that dumpster fire of an ending"
I hope Tim is actually still alive. They can’t do the third Robin like this. Hopefully after this he comes back alive with scars and as Red Robin like in the comics and Damian, being born before Arkham City becomes Robin in a future game. I would love to see Stuart Allen reprise his role as Damian for the ArkhamVerse. To me he is Damian Wayne.
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@@jjtopz indeed.
God, the possibilities, Red Hood and/or Tim teaching Damien the ways of being Robin or even Batman, maybe both pulling him different ways. Jason urging Damien to kill, Tim pleading with him not to, ah, please RockSteady.
If not death than he is badly injured to the pound of Gotham City no longer having Robin as their hero as of now
@@JamesJome123 they must do it along with a Red Hood game in the style of the Red Hood dlc from Arkham Knight with Troy Baker reprising his role as Jason Todd aka Red Hood himself and a Batgirl game where her spine is finally repaired after a few years and becoming Batgirl again just like in the comics with either Ashley Greene reprising her role as Barbara aka Batgirl or Tara Strong voicing Batgirl
Short answer: The writers of this game literally have no idea of Arkham story and just b*llshit their way out
They obviously knew of the Arkham story
@@lightdarksoul2097 They knew the story, but they don't understand the story.
Thanks, that's the only logical answer to this
See when I heard the "I'm proud to call you nightwing" I thought he meant Tim was nightwing and hence confirmed this was an else world Arkham game
I don't care brother even this else world we never hear Kevin voice again as Arkham batman
@@barathrajan8152 Huh what does this even mean
Rocksteady DOES need to elaborate on where other heroes are AND in a way that’s consistent with their characters.
Jason and Bruce’s falling out is understandable though, considering the suffering Jason went through and becoming the Arkham Knight and their whole fight and even though Jason saves Bruce in the end of AK, i guess their clashing ideologies and yknow, Jason still holding a grudge against Bruce for not saving him when he was Robin would lead him to branch off from the Batfamily
I can confirm this Dialogue with Harley and Catwoman.
There is also one from the Calls with Riddler where Deadshot asks Riddler how he got out of Arkham.
Riddler tells them how he got out due...some bribary which helped him to get out for the "missunderstanding" with Catwoman.
He also said that she took all of his money and moved away from Gotham.
He also knows where she is but gets cut off by Harley.
In Wayne’s vault there’s letters for Bruce sing by someone known as SK (Selina Kyle/catwoman)
Everyone is alive and well, don't worry guys.
Characters not mentioned are well and the League are clones created by Brainiac (according to the leaks) and the real ones are in the main ship.
Wait really the is soooo releafed to fine that out that means they did not did BatDaddy dirty 🎉
THEY SAVED IT BY THAT SMALL DETAIL, HOLY FUCK THEY SAVED IT
But Wonder Woman 😢😢
@@TheSpoicyCaramellito man it was sad to see her die to but at least she died in honor she died in a try of saving earth
Correct me if I’m wrong, but the leaks do not confirm they are clones or even how they are coming back, just that they are coming back. Still holding out hope, but really don’t think bringing them back is going to fix how bad this story is
One of Batmans voice lines whenever exploring the city mentions how oracle would make a valuable addition to Brainiacs forces. And batman has post cards from Catwoman
Riddler makes a comment abt catwoman saying something abt her new address and harley stops him saying "Don't doxx my girl Selina like that"
17:14 I remember Riddler mentions catwoman (she stole his money) and harley cuts him off when he is about to tell the squad her location.
Catwoman is still alive, she’s just retired from her days as Catwoman. She stole the Riddler’s fortune from him after the events of Arkham Knight in Catwoman’s Revenge DLC. Riddler in SS managed to track down Catwoman and he wanted to get revenge on her and he tried to hire Harley Quinn to help him but Harley wasn’t going to help Riddler because Catwoman and Harley Quinn are friends and Harley wasn’t going to let anything happen to her friends.
When you're running around , batman speaks to brainiac and says that he's going to go after oracle soon
3:29 Wonder Mommy!😂
And BAt Daddy
😂😂😂😂
16:30 Batman references Oracle through in game commentary, saying something along the lines of how the Resistance has a powerful hacker on their side, and that they should be integrated, and later down the line they would do the same to Oracle.
Deadshot: *kills the imposter*
Also deadshot: “I’m not done with that steampunk looking fool”
I think a game about batman fighting the justice league would've been cool. Especially after hearing the voice logs. Imagine after finding out that the Justice league can't be saved he has to break his "no kill" rule for the greater good for humanity. Or he would have to work with the suicide squad too. Or we play as the suicide squad and work with batman.
That would be so much better😭💀
Evil Batman mentions wanting to capture oracle
Catwoman sends Batman letters
Re: the Bat Family I would assume Nightwing was busy in Bludhaven, Catwoman probably went somewhere having stolen Riddler's money in AK, and also I wonder what happened to Azrael? You could say he was in the family too. Oracle? No idea maybe helping her dad since he became mayor perhaps?
Red Hood could capture evil batman since this Batman wasn't even on the Arkham level.
What was the cannon ending of heir to the cowl though? Did Azrael try to kill Batman and get locked up at the GCPD, or did he leave on good terms with Batman and go after the order?
@@marlo176 I'd assume that Azrael ended up siding with batman, because there is would be absolutely no reason not to include him in the squad otherwise. Dude was trained by batman himself.
14:55 It's more likely they will say that other superheroes tried to help only to be murdered by the Brainica league like Tim Drake Robin.
There is a line where evil Batman says he plans on going after Oracle but never did because he is stopped by the suicide squad first
Arkham City Deadshot being an imposter, or from another universe, is definitely a retcon.
I mean to be fair Brainiac was transparent and tried to peacefully mind control them until he didn’t.
Riddler mentions her in a Present tense in the audio logs, when talking to the Squad. He mentions when Catwoman took revenge on him after Arkham Knight, and used the money to move out of Gotham. Here's the interesting part;
He states that he found her adress, and is about to reveal it, when Harley gets angry and interrupts him, telling him not to doxx her.
Since he's speaking in present tense about her, we can assume she's still out there.
Yooooo the budokai music at the end just earned you a sub. Freaking love that track
If this Batman is sleep deprived then it’d be neat if Tim used that and maybe the voice synthesizer or fear toxin to fake his death and make Batman think he’s becoming forgetful.
Yeah, Batman definitely wasn’t a founding member of the League. It’s weird but, so is going on an alien spaceship and allowing himself to be mind controlled.
This game giving an "explanation" for the different Deadshots doesn't mean it's not a retcon. Retcon means retroactive continuity, which this is by definition.
Imagine if this game was a continuation of injustice 2 with supermans ending?
Nightwing is probably in Blud haven, oracle is probably trying to find Tim, and Jason is probably out of Gotham for the time being
I just love trying to figure out the timeline black deadshot causes now, because the white deadshot from origins and city literally had a military background and was in multiple databases, yet is somehow the one from a different earth. If black deadshot was from this earth, then why is the white deadshot in multiple databases for years now
"Were in this together GANG" ts took me so off guard
I meannnn this doesn’t seem totally out of character for Superman to want to meet peacefully🤷🏾♂️
Yeah superman can never listen and look where it got everyone in Apokolips War
Right, like???
As a Superman fan, I'd have no doubt he'd try peace talks but in a much safer way. Send a message to move the talk to a field away from civilians. Get other heroes aware of the situation, just in case. IF Supergirl exists, talk to her about Brainiac.
That's fine and all but the plan sucks. Superman should have been smarter.
@@creepypastareader2390 no? would he attempt peace first? yeah, but blindly like this? no, especially when he genuinely cares about the advise of the other league members. it's simply a case that this game and the movie you brought up are examples when people who don't know or care for the character write him and you get slop.
8:51 nah homie suicide squad is a alternate universe to the arkham franchise with small inconsistencies and details
Well maybe Nightwing is alive or dead we see his escrima sticks on display when we go collect the traversal for the squad at the hall of justice soo either
1. The escrima sticks are there to honor him maybe he died or something before ssktjl
2. He retired from being Nightwing and just gave it to the league to have something to remember him by
3. They could just be a fake one or a prototype and Nightwing still has the real ones
He was known for leaving his nightwing role so he may retrieve his old role and return to end things, but I don't know if it would work.
Well in the Nightwing DLC in AK when cash tried to offer Nightwing a new light symbol on the roof of the GCPD, he says “Thanks but this isn’t permanent” so I think he may have retired some time after Knight.
@@Genericwhite_maleNightwing didn’t retire, it’s the fact that Bludhaven is his city-
@@Practitioner_Parts what are you yapping about
I think dick and jason would have been able to keep their distance and maybe even save oracle
Actually about the catwoman part, when you go into the hidden bunker in the Wayne financial bank, you can find post cards from Salina and locations on a globe with little cutouts of news papers saying diamond heist in Cairo and other places.
You can find one of jason’s redhood masks in a display in the bat cave before you start the hologram cutscene
He isn't dead since Bruce said he's been missing
@@lightdarksoul2097I think Jason may have fought corrupted Bruce, but lost like he did in the game and barely escaped his second death and may have returned to Gotham or is licking his wounds somewhere.
@@stormbarnett5644 I could see that and maybe he is with Dick, protecting Oracle from being found
I think the bats are either preparing cities for the worse or working under metropolis with an underground cave net work.
Supposedly SS go to gotham during a season so will see
@@eznf98 mabye the bat family are busy getting gotham ready, would be cool to see the city turn into a dark fotress of the night and seeing both the bat family and their rouges gallery working together to make sure no one dies
The Deadshot explanation raises more questions then it does giving answers.
Something I haven't heard anyone talk about is that the Lex Luthor we have at the end of the game that people think is Brainiac is voiced by Corey Burton. Corey Burton voiced Brainiac in the Superman animated series as well as DC universe online. I'm not sure if this is just a reference or coincidence but he's doing pretty much the same voice in this game so I think it's intentional.
I hope that Jason shows up in a later season and throws hands, Red Hood aint the type of guy to mess around.
What really bugs me is that we’ve seen Arkham City Deadshot interact with his daughter Zoe in Assault on Arkham which is also canon to the Arkhamverse
Tim has always gotten the short end of the stick in the Arkham series, hope he’s alive
In one of radiocomms Batman says that Oracle would be a great asset for Braniac’s army, so yes, apparently she is alive at the moment
I'm betting that one of the future dlc characters is Jason. He uses guns so he would work in the gameplay, he'd be a gateway to expand on some more bat lore, and it'd make money.
I don't think the bridges with Jason are burned, just strained. Before you go after Batman Boomerang tries to say none of the bat family are scary and mentions Jason. That means he's at least publicly associated with them, maybe working with them on occasion and barely keeping contact
We need red hood
In a riddler audio tape, riddler states that catwoman took his money (from her arkham knight dlc) and booked town.
1:37 thick of it
I was going to say it 😂
Everybody knows
They know me where it snows
the Justice League listening to Superman's plan is like the Avengers listening to Iron Man's plan. It's basically 50/50.
you got to remember @GothamPaladin, brainiac already fought the Justice league before so obviously he knows how to defeat them however, Brainiac hasn't fought the Suicide Squad before, that's probably why he lost, and also the justice league uses there fists and strengths, but the suicide squad uses guns
I haven't played the game but hearing the first part about how Brainiac took over the Justice League would have made a really good premise for a solo batman game still set in the Arkham universe in my eyes. Granted I'm not 100% familiar with the Arkham games but having Batman come out of hiding because Superman lead the Justice league into Brainiac's trap and have the players delve into one of Batman's greatest challenges of executing his contingency plans sounds more engaging as a solo story driven game over this live-service looter shooter. In fact this premise could be used as a way introduce the Arkham games universe to have other members of the league have their own game about them if Batman's plan is to save the members of the League instead of kill them. Idk might also not be a great game but still better in my eyes than what we got as Kevin Conroy's last contribution to Batman, a metaphorical performance of him not only saving the Justice League in game but also birthing a DC gaming genre.
I believe evil batman talks about trying to find Oracle to assimilate her to Brainiac's army. I watched the Batman Arkham Videos gameplay and am almost certain in one of the first episodes Batman says that, so Barbara is most likely still alive.
Kate kane is also part of the batfamily, she lwft a voice message in AK
But I don’t think it’s confirmed if she’s Batwoman in this universe though, just that her character exists.
I do wonder about Azrael though
@@sosa2marswell with azreal you gotta remember his story in AK went 1 of 2 ways. Idk which one is supposed to be cannon
@@liam1040I'm assuming after azareal passed his trials they ran train on Catwoman and everyone went they separate ways 🤷🏻♂️
Barbara is still alive bc Batman mentions that Brainiac could use Hack and Orical on their side while roaming the open world. I think Tim is alive and the mask we saw was actually the start of the fear gas kicking in. I would like to think Night Wing is still at large and running the Teen Titans. I'm hoping they create an expansion that is called eneminate the Titans? But unlike the base game you can choose to kill them or spare them.
We could've had a gotham knights battle for the cowl storyline in the Arkhamverse smfh, red hood, nughtwing, azrael, Tim, Batwoman, Damian, cassandra cain and it could've been live service. It would've made so much sense for all of them to see compete whos who's fit for the mantle of the bat and the villain would've been the court of owls ofc
I genuinly love how they portrayed the friendship between Bruce & the rest of the League
I hope the leaks about the Justice league being revived is true, so that some of the damage is undone. I also think that the Arkham Justice league (if it continues) is that new members will come into the league after it’s created, like the show Justice league unlimited, because the league realizes that they are weaker than they thought. So maybe green arrow was is just against joining the league like in the jlu show
Then could lead to a JL game
Cope
@@andrevaughn6980 bro I am trying to so hard
@@baushey5708yall are sad, so the damage can ve undone? Give me a break. If yall would just be patient and stop whining you would know that they already said they have 9 months of content planned already. Obv its not gonna end how it is now geez
No no deadass this would work, Martian Manhunter was teased in AK and Oliver (Green Arrow) plus Black Canary and more, its crazy to think they all have been part of the justice league before so i can see this working if they really want too
Oracle is still alive. In the game, evil Batman tells brainiac that he wants to know who hack is. After he says that he brings up getting oracle saying how her mind, as well as hack’s will be beneficial for brainiac
I think arkham deadshot is the original and i think it makes sense for ss deadshot to be from a different universe. Also arkham batman knew it was a trap after experiencing everything he went through in city and knight. Hes a expert on reading people, even without meeting them usually
I feel like batman always was a better leader for the justice league than supes, Superman and batman got a whole different thinking level
@@LiveWithBabaTVSuperman is like a naive child. Wanting to see the best in people, not seeing possible bad consequences
On the mission where you enter batmans bank vault, theres a table that has a bunch of post cards that are marked from "SK" with lips on it, and a globe next to it with a newspaper clipping (i forgot the headline but im assuming it was about a heist) so i'm pretty sure she went on the run before the events of this game, and he was looking for her
Hearing these audio logs makes me wish we would’ve got a single player Justice League game instead. One can dream 🤷🏽♂️
I like to think that the other Hero's have their hands full at this time trying to rescue Civilians and keeping them safe from this threat and trying to stay low to build a plan or something since it would take a ton of effort without Batmans plans to take down the JL
I will for ever pretend that the Justice League was created after Arkham City and during Arkham Khight he was in a break from the League but after all that was over he returned later on to the League thanks to Superman
Yeah it wouldn't really make sense since even in the first Arkham game it's heavily implied that the league exists with his threats of the bombs being like if I see any costumed crusaders or such I'll set them off implying that the league exists and joker is bluffing to keep the league from interfering
Bro I remember when people were mad at Gotham Knights for Batman’s “disappointing.”
If only they knew.
In the Suicide squad kill Justice League game there is
Riddler Tapes, you can unlock in the first tape. Riddler tracks Catwoman down but then. He was about to say where she was and harley came in and stoped him from saying were she is , so she's okay and Riddler does know as far as i found out i am gussing she will be a playable Character at some point 🤷♂️
In regards to other characters, I most want to know where the rest of the Green Lantern corps is during the game. They could have been a MASSIVE help
Next season we go to Gotham so we may find out what happens to the bat family
Ain’t no way Bruce got caught. He would’ve DEFINITELY went against what everyone wanted to figure out that Brainiac was plotting against them. He would’ve just gave one of them a micro walkie talkie and said “I’ll just listen from Metropolis”
Tim drake asRed robin as one of the dlc, could be awsome with bruises on him, barely surviving brain washed bats
Man, i sure do love all of the important and extremely relevant information being reigated to audio logs that i have to stop playing the game to listen to instead of experiencing it as part of the normal gameplay loop. It sure is the best.
LOL the entire story is in the audio logs.
great way to tell a story 😂
took queues from MGS Phantom Pain
Robin most likely got abducted and is now working with brainiac, hopefully we get something about it in the future
Making notes? Too easy.
Making cutscenes? Too hard.
So let's make fcking holotapes!
Superman has a thing for letting his guard down around aliens
It’s suggested in one of the random Batman dialogues that Oracle was integrated into brainiacs army for her technological know how. The exact quote is follows when Batman discovers the Squad have a hacker and states she will be integrated “along with Oracle in time”.
If you’re interested, I uploaded the clip to my UA-cam channel.
This is really cool, but I took it to mean oracle hasn’t been integrated yet “along with oracle in time” suggests both WILL be integrated, but haven’t yet? Cool either way
That implies she isn't captured
We don't want this game to have a dlc it's so bad it don't deserve it's grave already
Maybe other heroes couldn’t go to metropolis because it’s to risky to be mind controlled
Or because the game is shit and the developers didn’t care about the lore
@@Average_enjoyer_of_hkyeah that's probably it
@@Average_enjoyer_of_hk cope harder
Hearing how to League interacted with one another makes me want a Justice League game😭
I am honestly so done with this game. I hate everything that I did to this universe. I mean it’s not even canon to me anymore. I can’t deal with it just a Weather thing what they did the Batman hurts
Sorry but then why are you here?
If you don’t like the game why are you watching videos about it
@@lolbitandftfoxysayhello6262 because I’m visually impaired and couldn’t read the title of the video and like supporting GothamPaladin’s videos
@@mightybusker5338 makes sense and thank you for answering my question in a calm way
@@lolbitandftfoxysayhello6262 don’t mention it we’re all fans here
@@mightybusker5338 🙂👍
I think oracle is still out there. There’s a voice line from Batman saying that Hack would make good use to brainiac, and that Batman should get oracle too.
I think Red Hood fits as a playable character in the game, especially since he uses guns so it wouldn’t be out of character.
And he would have a good few pieces of tech that can traverse the map, but I sadly don't think we will see him in the game.
@@stormbarnett5644 Maybe as seasonal content like Elseworld's Joker.
Alfred literally mentions the JL and Batman is already in it in City. They should’ve just made a League game like wtf
The fact that they made Arkham Batman the most strongest and smartest itirations of batman just waltz up there with Green Lantern and Superman ???? I would've expected him to have more common sense
it's a shame that all the good story stuff is reduced to audio logs and not actually in the game, there should have been playable flashback sequences where you play as the justice league
19:18 I love Adam Sandler in the subtitles