As tragic as THIS origin was for Two-Face, I find the one from Batman: TAS had just the right elements to fill into it. For those who don't remember; in TAS, Harvey had a bully who used to beat him up on a repeated basis. One day, Harvey had enough and finally hit the bully. As you can imagine, he felt pretty proud of that...until he learned the bully ended up in the hospital. Harvey thought it was due to how he hit the bully but he was actually in there for Appendicitis. To make a long story short; after that, Harvey swore he would never act out in anger again. Years of pushing down that anger over the years resulted in Harvey developing an alternate personality, one Dr. Thompkins dubbed "Big Bad Harv"
having taken some screenshots of the same text, the trick is actually just to stand closer in game so that it's less aliased. rather than zoom in the footage after recording.
It’s crazy how in this universe, Crane is now one of the most important villains, he created Two-Face, drove Harleen into freeing Joker and eventually becoming Harley Quinn, almost poisoned Gotham’s water in Asylum, and he fucking unmasked Batman, bro was a menace from day 1, my man’s stayed hating until the bitter end
its honestly kinda cool, especially given how powerful he was in arkham knight, to really think that Crane was the puppet master behind alot of the rogues in this universe and not someone like joker or even the mob families.
Especially for a 'fear' driven psychologist it makes sense for him. Especially that batman isn't mostly his own thing as it's joker he could fuck around other villains as he see fit.
Crane was already one of the most important villains. Whether it be his stuff in Asylum or him being the main villain in Knight, he already has a deep resume. But now this extra stuff sort of puts him more important than everybody except Joker.
Honestly at this point, we shouldn't say "Just a VR game" by that I mean we have come to an age where vr games are more than silly tech demos and are actually meaningful, artistic-driven games.
@@Krypto1201 I think we are slowly coming out of the "founding" years of vr gaming. Like how at the beginning nobody had any idea of how to navigate a computer but nowadays keyboard and mouse seem just plain obvious?
That’s because this was conceived from the start as an Arkham game while ssktjl was a suicide squad game that had the Arkham branding tacked on pretty late in development for marketing purposes
Goddamn your right, and I throught the Joker finally not being a major part of the story was progress. This game basically highlights that the Joker isn't Batman's main villain it's Troy Baker.
I found it ironic that Joe Chill the man responsible for creating The Batman, is perhaps the most sane, criminal compared to the rest of Gotham’s criminals.
@@wizofwonders tbh i think in arkhamverse he accidently shot both of bruce's parents , and wasnt there to actually kill them , as "THE BATMAN" proposed....
@@freedomwriter9688 in the batman , al(alfred) thinks the killer was a hired gun for falcone , while falcone tells that the killer was on maroni's payroll , so he killed thomas and martha for the gangster....but , in most media , joe chill really was a mugger , who needed money , and some struggle b/w him , thomas and martha made him pull the trigger....he regretted that his entire life...
Scarecrows one of the most interesting Arkham villains imo. By the time of Arkham Knight he’s gone from wanting to inflict terror on everyone as some sort of sadist thing to viewing it as a fundamental force of the universe. By his metrics he’s just doing his duty. Real sick bastard.
People think of Scarecrow as a psychological sadist, & he is. But modern versions of him are often depicted as starting out with a twisted desire to “help”. He thinks exposing people to their worst fears means they will eventually overcome them, & he sometimes just can’t understand why his victims aren’t grateful. I can see elements of that with this version. He’s so *frustrated* with Harley’s approach.
@@quentinmrg6293I hear you BUT: Joker stole the spotlight from Hugo Strange at the end of City. Joker’s hallucination was pretty much the last boss/playable character in Arkham Knight and before that, he kept hanging out with Batman during the whole game. His role was significantly more important than Scarecrow’s and, arguably, even Arkham Knight’s. And the Riddler is more of a glorified Side Quest than a main villain in these games.
@@Victor-qx3vx Hugo was dead before so he didn't matter anymore. And either way we'd have to deal with Joker at the end since he's the biggest threat remaining besides Ivy by the end of the game.
@@Victor-qx3vx But BUT: Hugo already died in Wonder Tower, and he was the one who made Arkham City, not Joker. Batman was after joker ONLY because he had a cure and Talia as a hostage, and even those two things were less important than stoping Strange and Rash. In Arkham Knight we don't even deal with REAL Joker. That was manifestation of Bruce thoughts in Joker persona: his blaming himself, fears, fact that he also is sick because of his blood. He was seen only because Scarecrow used his formula on Batman, making his fear of becoming Joker visible. Whatever "Joker" says are just Bruces imagination how his already dead nemesis would comment on everything, but he just isn't there in reality. And Riddler... well, we are not gonna talk about the Riddler, you were right with that one
what i love about his portrayal of Scarecrow is that it gives the clear vocal evolution of his character. That we go from Elijah's voice to Dino Andrade in Arkham Asylum, and then to John Noble in Arkham Knight after he is mangled by Killer Croc.
@@BlakeTheGamblingHeroexactly!!! I love how they didn’t go for a retcon by making him sound like how we last knew him in Arkham knight. At this point in the timeline, he would’ve still sounded like this. He sounds just like he does in the Asylum audio tapes!
Lore-wise, it’s sad that the prequel games brought so much to villains, but they end with a pathetic send off as side villains with weak missions (Bane in Origins to City, and Two-Face with Shadow to City/Knight). But in real time, we actually get a proper telling of their stories, and they are spectacular.
It kind of makes more sense now why Batman doesn't feel much remorse for scarecrow getting ate by croc, and why he's still on the lookout for him constantly after arkham asylum. It could also be the reason why Killer Croc attacks scarecrow at all.
@@scott6259 that is still true, but i can understand why iluminati would think that, that scarecrow was seeing all clients the same way as like Dr. Young was with bane in Arkham Asylum. Seeing his patients more as test subjects and more willing to test his toxins on than to actually take care of them.
@@scott6259No, I think he attacked him because he was going to poison the sewers, where Croc lived. If someone dropped a canister of mustard gas in your home, you probably want to beat the shit out of them too
Seeing how Crane was responsible for the alter egos of so many of these people developing, it makes it so much more realistic that he'd be able to rally them all in Knight to work with him and makes him such a more dominating and terrifying villain as a whole
This game pays a lot more respect to the Arkham series than SSKTJL. Those audio-tapes with Two-face and Crane were really unnerving. Sad that I can't play it since I only have a quest 2, not 3 :(
The fight begins with you gliding across a void avoiding obstacles and I was thinking that it reminded me of the demon trial. Then I realised they actually remade the whole Ra's fight and it's glorious.
Seeing how crane was back then and what he becomes in asylum/knight reminds me of what his psychologist says in one of his tapes how he’s starting to see crane isn’t actually crazy but just evil. He and joker are the biggest menaces of these games no wonder they teamed up in asylum.
Makes a lot of sense, the other super villains went bonkers thanks to them going through situations that broke them mentally or suffered a transformation that did severe changes to their psyches but then you got Crane who simply decided to pursue his goals in unsavory ways to try and prove something to the people he considers wronged him
I didn't expect Crane to be the one responsible for creating Two-Face in the Arkhamverse since I always assume it was the mob, Harvey's dialogues in Arkham Knight during his side mission likely made everyone assume so. Which open up alot of questions like why Harvey never attempted to get revenge on Crane? Or why he would allied with Scarecrow in Arkham Knight?
Because Harvey doesn't know. We see in the scene that Harvey thought Matches Malone did it. Who worked for Falcone causing him to think the mob did it. That is why he never went after Crane or tried to get revenge. Because He thinks matches malone did it.
Well do keep in mind that Crane put the blame on matches Malone and Harvey fell for it, and the general public dosen't know who matches malone really is, they only know that he is a mob enforcer, working for falcone, the news report afterwards says that matches took the acid from crane and threw it harvey's face, so in a way for the rest of the world yeah it was the mob who did this to dent, but we the player and Bruce know the truth of course.
@@MasterTemplar781 Also GP is wrong, Crane didn't intentionally throw it on Dent. Matches countered the fear toxin gas canister which then exploded on Dent. So it was all an accident.
Same, even though I can’t play this game I still appreciate it for the amazing story details that it adds to the Arkhamverse. More Arkham games like this is what we need. I liked Suicide Squad more than most people but I’d take a game like Arkham Shadow over that any day of the week.
@@UrosStankovic-xf9uqmakes sense. Bruce would remember as a scary, twisted old man. But when he meets him as an adult, he looks like a pretty normal guy
Damn, they actually pulled an Arkham Knight... and they pulled it off, mostly because they followed 2 simple principles: 1. They didn't make it super overly obvious who the main villain is, while the Arkham Knight is someone who knows Batman's identity, all of his tricks and combat, and clearly has a grudge against him (plus all the Jason Todd flashbacks). 2. They gave a good setup for the Rat King, as opposed to the Arkham Knight, where they just kinda threw him in there and you don't really get to see how close he was to Batman except in that one scene where Joker taunts him with a photo of Batman and Tim Drake.
The game did kinda pull that by showing us a bunch of Harvey flashbacks, except I stopped believing that he could be the Rat King after the courthouse. I thought his story would end at the acid and the Rat King would still be Joe
The two face story in this is epic. Dent will forever believe that falcone’s “informant malone” threw the acid cocktail in his face. But, in reality it’s alll CRANES fault for bringing that shadow drug in court *being scared that malone was going to smack him, slamming it onto Harvey’s FACE!!* and Bruce only can blame himself for what happened *accident or not*. He indirectly caused his childhood friend to become Two face.
DID, or dissociative identity disorder, is when there's more than one personality to a person, usually created by the brain to protect the "main" personality. This personality may have its own name, beliefs, or even diseases. Generally, it's created so that the main personality doesn't have to face the actual abuse/helps with "coping" with someone's death. The problem is, over time you don't need the protective personality, which is why it itself starts to evolve and grow, or may actually still continue protecting the main personality. The whole topic is a lot more complicated than this, but I've searched and learned a lot on this particular mental illness. Very, very, very interesting.
I once had a friend with that illness. They blocked me on legit everything after a while though for something minor. We were really good friends one day and the next day they kinda just flipped a switch. Fucked me up for a while. I got a really good understanding of this illness during my time of knowing em at least. Gonna miss em but hey, that's life.
@@PulseAttack it's not from Wikipedia, and like I said, the whole topic is very, very, very, complicated. You'd have to read the whole Wikipedia page and still need to search more.
@@thelonebuccaneer7777It's even more complicated when you're in a relationship with someone who has DID. Takes a while to adjust to but like with everything in life it's a learning process to "deal" with
When it was revealed that Harvey/ two-face was the rat King, did it remind anyone else of the episode of Batman the animated series where the judge was trying to kill criminals but revealed it was Harvey who had a third and dormant personality that he doesn't remember having
@@tropiklethunder It wouldn't surprise me if they took inspiration/ that idea and incorporate in that game and what really surprised me is Elijah wood voicing and mo-caping Dr. Jonathan Crane (scarecrow)
There was another episode where someone kidnaps Dent before he has a corrective surgery on his face and it turns out it was Dent himself, completely unbeknownst to him.
Honestly, I think what they did with the story overall-and making that fit into the Arkham continuity-was a stroke of genius. I’m not quite sure why I like this, tbh it sort of seems like a fan-fiction, but it feels refreshing.
In Carl Jung's theory, the Shadow is the dark side of our cognition. The negative aspects of ourselves we don't really try to acknowledge. Crane's treatment is interesting because rather than acknowledging and integrating the Shadow healthily, his treatment is to allow the Shadow to dominate the psyche
Honestly Two-Face being the one with the memories that Batman is Bruce and Harvey not makes perfect sense given the game lore. Back in Knight if you do Two-Face’s quest after the Batman reveal, on the way to the GCPD, Harvey asks if it’s true about his identity, to which there is a silence and then Two-Face says “Don’t answer then, we know the truth”. Originally in Knight you can interpret this as Harvey in denial over the new information and Two-Face being willing to believe it, but with this game it twists the line into meaning, “You know perfectly well that I know, Bruce, even if he doesn’t”. Also I gotta say I think Harvey’s DID is handled well in Arkhamverse as a whole, which is great for a disability that is so stigmatised in media, especially given how you can interpret Two-Face as a very misguided protector of him who most likely became a holder for all of his anger - explaining why when Two-Face starts fronting again, Harvey becomes angry, when most of the time he’s quite calm.
This read of Two Face reminds me of Gollum from Lord of the Rings where he also has two personalities, where the aggressive one "protected" the docile one and in time lashed out at everyone and embraced being bad
@@Spongebrain97 My knowledge of DID comes from my friends who have it and one of them did tell me it’s protector alters can often be aggressive when it comes to protecting. I find it interesting either way
@@endingboyhanselI also have a friend with DID and when he was diagnosed and told me about it in 2020, the protector role was one that I definitely would see him switching between from time to time. I am glad to see another comic book fan who also cares about DID representation and I hope your friends and their systems are doing well. I also generally have a lot of need for disability representation to be done well as an autistic person myself I see how badly the impacts of badly done representation impacts me and somewhat see similarities to how DID is represented in things like Split which my friend said he despised.
The shadow is actually a real thing in psychology, it's a concept that Carl Jung (one of the founding fathers of modern psychology) talks about a lot in his research. Making Crane a psychologist obsessed and twist that concept is really interesting. It also ties with the Joker's philosophy of all it takes is one bad day to make someone go crazy.
I've been wanting Harvey/Two-Face to have more spotlight. He's always been my favorite Batman villain and I'm glad they gave my dude a chance to shine. I also love the flashbacks with kid Bruce and kid Harvey. It adds so much.
I wasn’t expecting the story to be this detailed, but I really love what they pulled from long Halloween and how they put their own spin on the comics making it feel very very Arkham. This actually feels like it’s the missing gap between origins and asylum and not just some fanfiction.
Yeah it's VR so you have to physically move your hand to do it, and because the player can move their hand in a number of ways, the collision detection is forced to be a bit overeager. But it's clearly intended that Matches did, indeed, knock the nebulizer away and Crane spun around and doused Dent. I'm just curious to know what happens if you don't counter. Also, it's kinda ridiculous that an obviously rational prisoner, who's sitting in the dock and not causing trouble, can get dosed against his will in the middle of a courtroom, and a judge is just cool with this. Where was "Malone's" lawyer, anyway? Why was a competency test being applied if neither he nor his non-existent lawyer was trying to enter an insanity plea? Who was questioning his competency? How was ANY of that constitutional? Dent getting doused is the judge's fault for allowing such a farce in the first place.
I don’t think so. It’s not like a spider sense, it’s just Batman’s instincts saying “stop him, he’s about to attack me”, and the way crane fully turns and smashes it into Harvey’s faces suggest he did it himself. I get the VR limitations stuff but watch how he moves after he’s “pushed”, he did it intentionally
I feel very bad for Arnold. He seems like a decent guy who’s genuinely unwell and could probably live a normal life in an assisted living physiological facility but instead is launched into Blackgate prison where little good happens
I was more sad about Harley. She's so genuinely good and caring in this game. The basis of her entire character is that she believes there is good in everyone. It's tragic that she had to run into joker who's the antithesis to this.
This game had rocksteady alums working on it. If anybody blame Sefton Hill for not declining WB since he didn’t know how to make a live service game but did anyway. That’s the real reason it’s mid
This video was so gas bro love how much lore they pack into these games it really goes to show that this is still one the best pieces of Batman media to this day love Rodger coming back for this such a great choice since the 🐐 has passed keep up the great work man
15:50 - the part when dr crane throws the container at harvey depend on the "quick time event" , bruce is supposed to deflect Crane devices by pushing im toward harvey by mistake
Ummm, Crane didn't "just" turn to throw the acid on Harvey. Even though there isn't a full animation for what happened due to the fact that it is the player's interaction that causes it, it's made very clear that Bruce knocked Crane's hand away from him in self defense. This caused Crane to accidentally spill the acid on Harvey. Crane didn't do it on purpose as what you said would suggest, and neither did Bruce.
i absolutely love the fact they gave Ventriloquist and Scarface somewhat of a spotlight in this game. He is an underrated villain in the rouges gallery and a great character study in a similar way to Two Face, but at the same time, adding a possible paranormal aspect that makes a reader juggle on the idea on if Wesker was just crazy with multiple personalities, or if scarface was actually a Real living dummy. I love how for htis game, they kept that story 1 to 1 cause i wouldnt want to see it any other way for the arkhamverse.
So it would seem that within the Arkhamverse, everything that is wrong with Gotham is because of Crane. After playing through the Arkham games, this revelation feels like a weight lifted off the shoulders of Bruce/Batman. 😉
Having just "lived" through it, I guarantee you Bruce is going to have nightmares about the day in the courthouse for the rest of his life and will never forgive himself.
@@nekogamer2508: It’s because in Arkham Knight there are TV Sings that read “Batman: Bad or Good for Gotham.” This make ME believe that Bruce/Batman deep down blame himself for Gotham’s Current State, but after Arkham Shadow it’s revealed that it was never his fault, and at the end of the day, Gotham DOES NEED, Batman.
@@thedarkknight727Batman is still a cause and effect. Crane sees a vigilante dressing up as a bat, moving in the shadows, beating the crap out of people. This inspires him to delve deeper into 'shadow therapy' as Batman is obviously Bruce's shadow and Crane sees a man that's brought his shadow to the surface and has accepted it. But say there is no Batman running around, which means Joker doesn't get created, which means the events of Origins never happen, which is the night that forever changed the landscape of Gotham and things started shifting from organized crime to supervillains. Would Crane still be diving into his 'shadow therapy'? Sure, it's possible. But I'd argue without the catalyst of Batman acting as a cause and the effect of crime's shift toward supervillains to oppose Batman as a form of escalation, Crane doesn't have the confidence nor the subjects he'd need to begin his journey as Scarecrow.
The most surprising thing I found out about the game: they actually confirmed the canonicity of Arkham Origins Blackgate Previously, it was questionable whether the mobile game was canon or not. Now with Shadow, its pretty much confirmed with balckgate prisoners mentioning the events of Blackgate as well as the gel gun gadget There is still the issue with Solomon Grundy appearing in Blackgate so they may have to eventually explain this "plothole"
@@b.u.l.1734but in Origins Blackgate they speak like they have history still So they’d have to explain that Also how Batman beat Grundy was with electricity (which healed him in City)
Yeah! I always counted the game as not canon, but I’m wrong, it is canon, the Grundy thing isn’t even a continuity issue looking at it, it was more so just me thinking it was when there really is no evidence to suggest it
@@GothamPaladin If you look around, you can see a grundy poster and he is a circus performer, so maybe batman knew because a who could be revived would be big news
@@TheWaffleEdits Batman knows of Grundy in that game because he was a legendary "circus freak" in Gotham. Everybody knows about him. Plus, Grundy lives in the sewers during that era of the Arkham timeline, so it's safe to assume he and Batman met there for the first time (like in the Long Halloween comic) sometime before the events of Blackgate or even Origins. And no, he defeats him by ripping his freaking heart out, lol. Batman obviously knew doing that wouldn't have killed him, so he knew of him and his weakness from before.
Can't wait for the next game about the scarcrow origin and an actual two face threat maybe even some. Penquin to introduce their fude between each other
One thing not pointed out or you missed is donnegan said when he made woody he made him out of an old tree death row inmates would be hung from so woody is possessed by a pretty serious inmate to quote the game night 1 when matches is crawling around "Donnegan. Where did woody come from?" "Long time ago, there was an old tree near death row for hangin' folks. One day it got struck by lightning. I managed to save some of the wood from the incinerator and put together woody here."
12:29 That’s just a limitation with how VR works. Bruce (you) did hit the acid out of Dr. Crane’s hand after he shoved it in your face, and then it broke on Harvey
Chronologically, I think Batman Arkham Asylum, City, Knight take place roughly 8-10 years after Origins and Shadow. Batman: Arkham Knight takes place a year after the events of Arkham City, which takes place 2 years after Arkham Asylum, which takes place 5 years after Arkham Origins. So, he's about 9-10 years in, also, adding the years from Suicide Squad, he'd be 14-15 years in.
Asylum is 7.5 years after Origins: Origins is Christmas Eve of year two (stated in-game) Knight is set on Halloween, ten years after Origins (stated in-game), thus making it year twelve Knight is set nine months after Joker’s cremation (stated in-game), placing City in late December of year eleven or early January of year twelve. City is set eighteen months after Asylum (stated multiple times in-game), placing Asylum in the summer of year ten. The difference between Christmas of year two and summer of year ten is seven and a half years.
Great deep dive into this game. You’ve gained a new sub from me. I hope the next Batman game allows us to play as both Batman and Robin (Dick Grayson) and dive into the relationship of the dynamic duo.
Definitely very chilling I might add but great writing for his character from WB Montreal. They really understand how to convey his guilt of the biggest of his life.
@@kwayneboy1524 it’s in the first part when your following the tyger guard in black gate,and it depends who does the video because no one noticed it except for one person so check out stalker in Arkham shadows
@@GothamPaladin yeah this UA-camr foeinform noticed it and one person said it can be talon maybe and if you get a good look at the eyes it has green to it so maybe it’s a reference to a future Arkham game with the court who knows !
@@GothamPaladin but take what I said with a pinch of salt because as much as it does look like talon being that the talons have green or yellow eyes it may be azreal bc in AK the order did say you have studied the dark knight for years azreal perfecting his every tactic perfecting, his every move.however he doenst have green eyes so it may not be him
In the tape with Harvey and Crane Crane States that Harvey promised he'd get rid of Gotham within a year which is the same thing he said him and Batman would do in Arkham Knight when you're taking him to the GCPD prison it just shows how much attention to detail camouflage made when making this game and making sure that it stayed in line with the arkhammers
What year is this for batman? 3, 4? Roger Craig Smith voice sounds so good here. Really sounds like a young Conroy, with his voice, of course. He is the successor to Conroy. Elijah Wood as Crane is brilliant. Im surprised he hasn't been cast as him before. They still can't decide what Scarecrow sounds like though. Kinda squeaky voice, then intimidating in Knight. 😅
To be honest can we really say it was Crane who splashed the acid onto Harvey when the gameplay of it doesn't look well in that scene, looking like rather it was intended for Malone to actually knock it out of Crane's hand? VR games always have their ups and downs. It sounds definitely plausible to Crane's character though.
I love this side of Harley that we get to see. She truly wanted to help these people and was a good person. In my opinion it kinda shows how she was able to come back from her insanity a bit in SSKTJL. A lot of people were thinking it made no sense, but this kinda shows (along with Harleen’s voice in Arkham knight when entering detective mode as Harley) show that she always had good in her. All it took to bring some of it out was to take away the manipulator and give her some time. I think this game also gives a better connection between Harley and Batman, making the pull of Harley killing Batman just a little bit easier to swallow. Tbh, I enjoyed SSKTJL, and I’m really looking for anything to defend certain aspects of the game. Even though I know a lot of it can’t be defended 😭
i dont like harley written as a good character when throughout her time as jokers sidekick she kills many people and commits henouis acts but its okay because its tge jokers fault she did that cause she was abused and infatuated or something
Nah, SSKTJL fundamentally misunderstood Arkham Harley and confused her with movie Harley. Arkham Harley was at the point of being irredeemable. It's one of her darkest versions.
@@Casshio this game honestly shows that that wasn’t true, along with the voices in knight. There was always something there. She shouldn’t be forgiven for her crimes or not be punished for them, but it doesn’t mean she can’t become a batter person again
@@ShreddedGenius Harley is insane. Her actions shouldn't be forgiven or ignored, but batman's no kill rule and most of his stories because of that rule are supposed to show that he believes everyone deserves a chance to be reformed. On top of this, we've seen plenty of his villains end up being reformed before: Freeze, Harley, and even his biggest baddie, Joker. Several comics and other forms of media have shown this side of batman that I personally love. He's always willing to give his villains another chance. One example of Harley being reformed in other media, is in the animated series. Batman himself goes to congratulate her, which I think is supposed to be a lesson to us fans that a person's past doesn't define who they become in the future. It's never too late to decide you want to be better. I've also experienced this myself as well in real life. I wasn't an amazing person when I was younger, and actively made other people's lives worse. I don't want to be forgiven for the things I did when I was younger, nor do I think I deserve to be. But I am, and have been, trying to be and do better than the old me. So, I guess you could say I'm biased towards redemption arcs for characters, but I just think it's never too late for someone to be better than their past
Can someone please talk about how the rat we push through the wall is DICK GRAYSON! Look at the hair, the face, and the god damn jacket. I thought this was obvious but I haven’t seen anyone talk about it yet. Leslie also says Bruce should meet a former rat in the hospital that she’s been working with while the credits roll. Totally referring to Dick, and how he becomes adopted by Bruce. 45:08 Please replay the mission and take a closer look after you beat him up.
They really … did something very unique here and it is truly amazing for the series and continuity of the Arkham Series and being from Origins too . This works in a very different way than what a lot of us were experiencing
Two face was cool in the dark knight but I would love an adaptation of him where his split personality is actually the focus is his character. It would make him so tragic
It they ever make another Arkham game it definitely needs to pick up after this game to continue Batman's character growth towards how he is in Asylum. They have like 10 years there to work with so they have plenty of space for several games if they want.
@@Mrx-k7o it would have to be dick grayson surely since we haven't seen him as robin. and then the rocksteady game should be dick grayson taking up the mantle of batman with damien as his sidekick set in a batman beyond style timeline, that would be a perfect way to round out the series - it could be a god of war 2018 style game
Two-Face has always been probably my favorite Batman villain when he’s in a story that actually knows how to use and characterize him well, which is sadly not very often (The Dark Knight and the Telltale series stand out as modern exceptions). This game? Oh man, they fucking nailed it. I’m seriously considering getting a headset for this, this team really knew what they were doing. Also, for the record at 16:40, Shadow takes place 7 years before Asylum. Knight takes place 10 years after Origins and nine months after Joker’s cremation (both stated in-game). City takes place 18 months after Asylum (stated many times in-game, notably with a lot of Quincy Sharp dialogue and bio text), placing Asylum seven and a half years after Origins. Origins is Christmas Eve of year two, Asylum is summer of year ten, City is either late December of year eleven or early January of year twelve, and Knight is Halloween of year twelve. Since Shadow is the summer after Origins, it’s almost exactly seven years before Asylum.
Crazy how did such homework camoflaj did to tie shadow to the future arkham stories like everything happened in this game made sense continuing to asylum/city/knight. Even in that SSKTJL game harley did somehow know how to make his own fear gas for working with crane.
Could you consider a Kevin Conroy tribute? Nov 10th marks 2nd anniversary of his death. I got a voice acting background and his voice was an inspiration for me since the Batman Animated Series. I made a tribute to him using the classic toys with footage from Arkham and Injustice but I don't got ur reach, and he deserves much bigger tribute.
I will gladly spoil myself on wanting the new lore info that comes from this game watching your content. Can’t wait to your videos discovering Easter eggs and hidden lore. Oh wow I didn’t expect Scarecrow to be behind Two Face’s dia figuration this is so cool and interesting. Glad Harvey’s character got explored more and a twist that he was the rat king was very unexpected. Didn’t think that Jonathan Crane was gonna have a huge role in this game.
I finally got an Arkham game with Two-face as the main villain! I thought the mystery of the rat king was well done. Lots of plausible suspects. I know it's another Arkham knight situation. A new villain that turns out to be an already established character. But I think its executed better here.
Apologies for the quality of the audio tape sections with it being kind of blurry. Still figuring out how to record meta quest stuff 😂.
As tragic as THIS origin was for Two-Face, I find the one from Batman: TAS had just the right elements to fill into it.
For those who don't remember; in TAS, Harvey had a bully who used to beat him up on a repeated basis. One day, Harvey had enough and finally hit the bully.
As you can imagine, he felt pretty proud of that...until he learned the bully ended up in the hospital. Harvey thought it was due to how he hit the bully but he was actually in there for Appendicitis. To make a long story short; after that, Harvey swore he would never act out in anger again.
Years of pushing down that anger over the years resulted in Harvey developing an alternate personality, one Dr. Thompkins dubbed "Big Bad Harv"
having taken some screenshots of the same text, the trick is actually just to stand closer in game so that it's less aliased. rather than zoom in the footage after recording.
In the quest 3, you can enable experimental camera settings which will allow you to increase the bitrate, change the aspect ratio, and the frame rate.
It’s crazy how in this universe, Crane is now one of the most important villains, he created Two-Face, drove Harleen into freeing Joker and eventually becoming Harley Quinn, almost poisoned Gotham’s water in Asylum, and he fucking unmasked Batman, bro was a menace from day 1, my man’s stayed hating until the bitter end
its honestly kinda cool, especially given how powerful he was in arkham knight, to really think that Crane was the puppet master behind alot of the rogues in this universe and not someone like joker or even the mob families.
Especially for a 'fear' driven psychologist it makes sense for him. Especially that batman isn't mostly his own thing as it's joker he could fuck around other villains as he see fit.
Crane was already one of the most important villains. Whether it be his stuff in Asylum or him being the main villain in Knight, he already has a deep resume. But now this extra stuff sort of puts him more important than everybody except Joker.
seeing him in this game vs Arkham Knight is crazy
Yeah, and truth be told, l love the fact that he's an important villain.
The fact this VR game paid more attention to the Arkham-verse than SSKTJL did is STUPID FUNNY.😂
That's because the developers are fans of the arkham series
Honestly at this point, we shouldn't say "Just a VR game" by that I mean we have come to an age where vr games are more than silly tech demos and are actually meaningful, artistic-driven games.
@@dogwithoutw yea I honestly love em. It’s just weird how good vr games can be. The Star Wars ones feel like Super Hot but cooler.
@@Krypto1201 I think we are slowly coming out of the "founding" years of vr gaming. Like how at the beginning nobody had any idea of how to navigate a computer but nowadays keyboard and mouse seem just plain obvious?
That’s because this was conceived from the start as an Arkham game while ssktjl was a suicide squad game that had the Arkham branding tacked on pretty late in development for marketing purposes
If I had a nickel for every time the surprise main villain of an Arkham game is Troy Baker... I'd have THREE NICKELS!!!
Lol. This guy is everywhere
Troy baker is like this joke
it's everywhere
It's fkn ridiculous. Troy "I can only do 2 voices" Baker is a talentless hack.
Goddamn your right, and I throught the Joker finally not being a major part of the story was progress. This game basically highlights that the Joker isn't Batman's main villain it's Troy Baker.
@@pond0479 Lmao I was speaking facts yet my comment got deleted
I found it ironic that Joe Chill the man responsible for creating The Batman, is perhaps the most sane, criminal compared to the rest of Gotham’s criminals.
He is lol
That’s because he is an ordinary mugger not some deranged lunatic.
@@wizofwonders tbh i think in arkhamverse he accidently shot both of bruce's parents , and wasnt there to actually kill them , as "THE BATMAN" proposed....
@@owengrady3252what do you mean?
care to elaborate more?
@@freedomwriter9688 in the batman , al(alfred) thinks the killer was a hired gun for falcone , while falcone tells that the killer was on maroni's payroll , so he killed thomas and martha for the gangster....but , in most media , joe chill really was a mugger , who needed money , and some struggle b/w him , thomas and martha made him pull the trigger....he regretted that his entire life...
Scarecrows one of the most interesting Arkham villains imo. By the time of Arkham Knight he’s gone from wanting to inflict terror on everyone as some sort of sadist thing to viewing it as a fundamental force of the universe. By his metrics he’s just doing his duty. Real sick bastard.
That’s why he’s such a good villain.
He’s different from most others. They want Batman to lose. Scarecrow wants everyone to feel fear
He's my favorite villian
People think of Scarecrow as a psychological sadist, & he is. But modern versions of him are often depicted as starting out with a twisted desire to “help”. He thinks exposing people to their worst fears means they will eventually overcome them, & he sometimes just can’t understand why his victims aren’t grateful. I can see elements of that with this version. He’s so *frustrated* with Harley’s approach.
@@millaray9912 that’s the kicker innit? Irl bad people can’t or refuse to understand why people are not grateful for their “help”.
@@christopherqualls1072 Same. Favorite Batman villain
Finally, villains other than Joker getting the spotlight in an Arkham game.
Jason Todd, Scarecrow, Hugo Strange or Riddler to
@@quentinmrg6293I hear you BUT:
Joker stole the spotlight from Hugo Strange at the end of City.
Joker’s hallucination was pretty much the last boss/playable character in Arkham Knight and before that, he kept hanging out with Batman during the whole game. His role was significantly more important than Scarecrow’s and, arguably, even Arkham Knight’s.
And the Riddler is more of a glorified Side Quest than a main villain in these games.
@@Victor-qx3vx Hugo was dead before so he didn't matter anymore. And either way we'd have to deal with Joker at the end since he's the biggest threat remaining besides Ivy by the end of the game.
Joker in Arkham origins was completely unnecessary, he was cool and all but that should’ve been black masks moment to shine.
@@Victor-qx3vx But BUT:
Hugo already died in Wonder Tower, and he was the one who made Arkham City, not Joker. Batman was after joker ONLY because he had a cure and Talia as a hostage, and even those two things were less important than stoping Strange and Rash.
In Arkham Knight we don't even deal with REAL Joker. That was manifestation of Bruce thoughts in Joker persona: his blaming himself, fears, fact that he also is sick because of his blood. He was seen only because Scarecrow used his formula on Batman, making his fear of becoming Joker visible. Whatever "Joker" says are just Bruces imagination how his already dead nemesis would comment on everything, but he just isn't there in reality.
And Riddler... well, we are not gonna talk about the Riddler, you were right with that one
"He walked into my knife!"
"Twenty-seven times?"
"He was very determined!"
That is hilarious
That bit just sent me straight to heaven.
He had it coming
1 extra step and Conor will show up
@@TaniaDlc-z2x28 STAB WOUNDS! You didn't want him to stand a chance, HUH?!
Elijah sounds so good as Crane, sounds like Arkham Asylum scarecrow, absolute goat
God i can just hear elijah doing some of the lines from arkham asylum
I never expected Elijah of all people to be the voice of Crane, but he did a great job
what i love about his portrayal of Scarecrow is that it gives the clear vocal evolution of his character. That we go from Elijah's voice to Dino Andrade in Arkham Asylum, and then to John Noble in Arkham Knight after he is mangled by Killer Croc.
@@BlakeTheGamblingHeroexactly!!! I love how they didn’t go for a retcon by making him sound like how we last knew him in Arkham knight. At this point in the timeline, he would’ve still sounded like this. He sounds just like he does in the Asylum audio tapes!
Lore-wise, it’s sad that the prequel games brought so much to villains, but they end with a pathetic send off as side villains with weak missions (Bane in Origins to City, and Two-Face with Shadow to City/Knight). But in real time, we actually get a proper telling of their stories, and they are spectacular.
It must be tough there are so many cool Batman villains and only so much time.
Really glad to see Harvey get a proper game though.
Bane in city*
In Origins he went part from the main story line. His liutenant Bird was a side villain.
same with Deathstroke and Deadshot as well
It kind of makes more sense now why Batman doesn't feel much remorse for scarecrow getting ate by croc, and why he's still on the lookout for him constantly after arkham asylum. It could also be the reason why Killer Croc attacks scarecrow at all.
Bruh he attacked him cause he was hungry for live meat that’s it lol
@@scott6259 that is still true, but i can understand why iluminati would think that, that scarecrow was seeing all clients the same way as like Dr. Young was with bane in Arkham Asylum. Seeing his patients more as test subjects and more willing to test his toxins on than to actually take care of them.
@@scott6259No, I think he attacked him because he was going to poison the sewers, where Croc lived. If someone dropped a canister of mustard gas in your home, you probably want to beat the shit out of them too
@@J_Crane great to see you here crane, it's sans if it wasn't obvious enough
Seeing how Crane was responsible for the alter egos of so many of these people developing, it makes it so much more realistic that he'd be able to rally them all in Knight to work with him and makes him such a more dominating and terrifying villain as a whole
This game pays a lot more respect to the Arkham series than SSKTJL. Those audio-tapes with Two-face and Crane were really unnerving. Sad that I can't play it since I only have a quest 2, not 3 :(
Same but I am buying a quest 3 if I have to die for it
@@pandadude2597 get the 3s, it is just as good as the 3 but $200 cheaper it just has different lens
@@pandadude2597 Same here even if I have to wait a year I will play it before I have my last breath
I'm still stuck on my quest 2 also. I'm planning to work extra hours to get a quest 3
U can download it to quest 2 with Rookie Sideloader. And it runs pretty ok. (I bought the game on Quest 3, but I got it on the Quest 2 for my nephew)
You said Harvey was one of the most wasted characters in the Arkhamverse. Well not anymore! Now he’s got his own spot light as the villain!
Wouldn't call him wasted but ok
@@greend3483if you read the comment, he said “was”. And it wasn’t OP but rather the uploader’s opinion he is referring to.
@@josetomascamposrobledano4618 I'm fully aware of both of those things wouldn't even know what to comm if I didn't read it
He was so underused in the main arkham games! It was criminal!
Batman fighting his demon self is a boss type we should’ve gotten in SSKTJL. Something like that.
There’s hope with the new game coming out eventually
Ya im hoping they retcon harrd ss basicly a multiverse game anyway
The fight begins with you gliding across a void avoiding obstacles and I was thinking that it reminded me of the demon trial. Then I realised they actually remade the whole Ra's fight and it's glorious.
Seeing how crane was back then and what he becomes in asylum/knight reminds me of what his psychologist says in one of his tapes how he’s starting to see crane isn’t actually crazy but just evil. He and joker are the biggest menaces of these games no wonder they teamed up in asylum.
Makes a lot of sense, the other super villains went bonkers thanks to them going through situations that broke them mentally or suffered a transformation that did severe changes to their psyches but then you got Crane who simply decided to pursue his goals in unsavory ways to try and prove something to the people he considers wronged him
I didn't expect Crane to be the one responsible for creating Two-Face in the Arkhamverse since I always assume it was the mob, Harvey's dialogues in Arkham Knight during his side mission likely made everyone assume so. Which open up alot of questions like why Harvey never attempted to get revenge on Crane? Or why he would allied with Scarecrow in Arkham Knight?
Because Harvey doesn't know. We see in the scene that Harvey thought Matches Malone did it. Who worked for Falcone causing him to think the mob did it. That is why he never went after Crane or tried to get revenge. Because He thinks matches malone did it.
Well do keep in mind that Crane put the blame on matches Malone and Harvey fell for it, and the general public dosen't know who matches malone really is, they only know that he is a mob enforcer, working for falcone, the news report afterwards says that matches took the acid from crane and threw it harvey's face, so in a way for the rest of the world yeah it was the mob who did this to dent, but we the player and Bruce know the truth of course.
@@MasterTemplar781 Plus, Leslile does say towards the End that his memory is starting to go a bit wonky.
@@MasterTemplar781 Also GP is wrong, Crane didn't intentionally throw it on Dent. Matches countered the fear toxin gas canister which then exploded on Dent. So it was all an accident.
@@MasterTemplar781yeah I mean just to agree with this we can see that Harvey starts shouting at matches
Troy Baker has voiced Batman, Joker, Two Face, Tim Drake, and Jason Todd. Who's next? Polkadot man?
Condiment King
Condiment King
Wait a minute, where did Troy Baker Voice Tim ?
@@MrAlinko21Arkham city
@@joshphillips961 Oh, thanks for the info, going to check that
I laughed HARD when Wesker said, "he was very determined" when asked if the man walked into the knife 27 times. 🤣🤣🤣
The writing and how this all lines up with Arkham lore while drastically expanding just blows my mind. Perfect writing
I will probably never play this game as I won’t get a headset.
However I respect it and consider an Arkham game.
Same, even though I can’t play this game I still appreciate it for the amazing story details that it adds to the Arkhamverse. More Arkham games like this is what we need. I liked Suicide Squad more than most people but I’d take a game like Arkham Shadow over that any day of the week.
Are you poor kid?
Vr headset cost 150 dollar
@gomersimpson777ram it's $350 - $500 goon
@@gomersimpson777ram And a whole room you gotta clear out. Maybe you have extra rooms that you can dedicate to a console, but most of us don't.
@@Supperdude9 i play vr sitted mostly
Joe Chill looks a lot different here than in Arkham VR, i think that's just how Bruce remembers him since it's a dream.
Well in the flash back he's younger and it's the same model for Thomas, Martha, and Joe as in Arkham VR
@@V_The_Anarchist He actually looks older in VR than here
@@UrosStankovic-xf9uqmakes sense. Bruce would remember as a scary, twisted old man. But when he meets him as an adult, he looks like a pretty normal guy
Damn, they actually pulled an Arkham Knight... and they pulled it off, mostly because they followed 2 simple principles:
1. They didn't make it super overly obvious who the main villain is, while the Arkham Knight is someone who knows Batman's identity, all of his tricks and combat, and clearly has a grudge against him (plus all the Jason Todd flashbacks).
2. They gave a good setup for the Rat King, as opposed to the Arkham Knight, where they just kinda threw him in there and you don't really get to see how close he was to Batman except in that one scene where Joker taunts him with a photo of Batman and Tim Drake.
And they left in a whole bunch of subtle clues pointing towards Joe. I ate it up and got completely blindsided.
The game did kinda pull that by showing us a bunch of Harvey flashbacks, except I stopped believing that he could be the Rat King after the courthouse. I thought his story would end at the acid and the Rat King would still be Joe
The two face story in this is epic. Dent will forever believe that falcone’s “informant malone” threw the acid cocktail in his face. But, in reality it’s alll CRANES fault for bringing that shadow drug in court *being scared that malone was going to smack him, slamming it onto Harvey’s FACE!!* and Bruce only can blame himself for what happened *accident or not*. He indirectly caused his childhood friend to become Two face.
DID, or dissociative identity disorder, is when there's more than one personality to a person, usually created by the brain to protect the "main" personality. This personality may have its own name, beliefs, or even diseases. Generally, it's created so that the main personality doesn't have to face the actual abuse/helps with "coping" with someone's death. The problem is, over time you don't need the protective personality, which is why it itself starts to evolve and grow, or may actually still continue protecting the main personality.
The whole topic is a lot more complicated than this, but I've searched and learned a lot on this particular mental illness. Very, very, very interesting.
I once had a friend with that illness. They blocked me on legit everything after a while though for something minor. We were really good friends one day and the next day they kinda just flipped a switch. Fucked me up for a while. I got a really good understanding of this illness during my time of knowing em at least. Gonna miss em but hey, that's life.
Thanks for the Wikipedia summary I definitely couldn't look it up myself
I still don't believe that this is a real illness
@@PulseAttack it's not from Wikipedia, and like I said, the whole topic is very, very, very, complicated. You'd have to read the whole Wikipedia page and still need to search more.
@@thelonebuccaneer7777It's even more complicated when you're in a relationship with someone who has DID. Takes a while to adjust to but like with everything in life it's a learning process to "deal" with
When it was revealed that Harvey/ two-face was the rat King, did it remind anyone else of the episode of Batman the animated series where the judge was trying to kill criminals but revealed it was Harvey who had a third and dormant personality that he doesn't remember having
YES I think this is what they were going for, he can manifest a personality totally different from two face and have no idea as seen in that episode
@@tropiklethunder It wouldn't surprise me if they took inspiration/ that idea and incorporate in that game and what really surprised me is Elijah wood voicing and mo-caping Dr. Jonathan Crane (scarecrow)
There was another episode where someone kidnaps Dent before he has a corrective surgery on his face and it turns out it was Dent himself, completely unbeknownst to him.
We finally got to see the Arnold Wesker and Mr.scarface in the Arkham Universe
“He walked into my knife!”
“27 times…”
“He was very determined”
and your mom
Jk 😃
Honestly, I think what they did with the story overall-and making that fit into the Arkham continuity-was a stroke of genius. I’m not quite sure why I like this, tbh it sort of seems like a fan-fiction, but it feels refreshing.
Because it’s better than the other BS we’ve gotten
This is fanfic takes done right
In Carl Jung's theory, the Shadow is the dark side of our cognition. The negative aspects of ourselves we don't really try to acknowledge. Crane's treatment is interesting because rather than acknowledging and integrating the Shadow healthily, his treatment is to allow the Shadow to dominate the psyche
Honestly Two-Face being the one with the memories that Batman is Bruce and Harvey not makes perfect sense given the game lore. Back in Knight if you do Two-Face’s quest after the Batman reveal, on the way to the GCPD, Harvey asks if it’s true about his identity, to which there is a silence and then Two-Face says “Don’t answer then, we know the truth”. Originally in Knight you can interpret this as Harvey in denial over the new information and Two-Face being willing to believe it, but with this game it twists the line into meaning, “You know perfectly well that I know, Bruce, even if he doesn’t”.
Also I gotta say I think Harvey’s DID is handled well in Arkhamverse as a whole, which is great for a disability that is so stigmatised in media, especially given how you can interpret Two-Face as a very misguided protector of him who most likely became a holder for all of his anger - explaining why when Two-Face starts fronting again, Harvey becomes angry, when most of the time he’s quite calm.
This read of Two Face reminds me of Gollum from Lord of the Rings where he also has two personalities, where the aggressive one "protected" the docile one and in time lashed out at everyone and embraced being bad
@@Spongebrain97 My knowledge of DID comes from my friends who have it and one of them did tell me it’s protector alters can often be aggressive when it comes to protecting. I find it interesting either way
@@endingboyhanselI also have a friend with DID and when he was diagnosed and told me about it in 2020, the protector role was one that I definitely would see him switching between from time to time. I am glad to see another comic book fan who also cares about DID representation and I hope your friends and their systems are doing well. I also generally have a lot of need for disability representation to be done well as an autistic person myself I see how badly the impacts of badly done representation impacts me and somewhat see similarities to how DID is represented in things like Split which my friend said he despised.
The shadow is actually a real thing in psychology, it's a concept that Carl Jung (one of the founding fathers of modern psychology) talks about a lot in his research. Making Crane a psychologist obsessed and twist that concept is really interesting. It also ties with the Joker's philosophy of all it takes is one bad day to make someone go crazy.
I've been wanting Harvey/Two-Face to have more spotlight. He's always been my favorite Batman villain and I'm glad they gave my dude a chance to shine. I also love the flashbacks with kid Bruce and kid Harvey. It adds so much.
Scarecrow being responsible for Two-Face something that I’d never think would happen but makes sense to me.
Bro, at least you gotta wait until BAV finishes his series. Give us a chance😭
I couldn’t wait. But just come back to the video when you get caught up! Leave a like first 😈
@@GothamPaladin I nearly wrecked my whole body trying to beat the game as fast as possible so I could watch this.
Seems like your wish was granted gp two face finally got the respect in the arkham verse he deserves
I wasn’t expecting the story to be this detailed, but I really love what they pulled from long Halloween and how they put their own spin on the comics making it feel very very Arkham. This actually feels like it’s the missing gap between origins and asylum and not just some fanfiction.
16:00 Actually, i think the counter
indicator tells us that Bruce knocked Crane away and the acid ended up hitting Harvey
Maybe
15:54
@@Kevykev2007 You might be right, now I wish the game was a bit clearer about it haha
Yeah it's VR so you have to physically move your hand to do it, and because the player can move their hand in a number of ways, the collision detection is forced to be a bit overeager. But it's clearly intended that Matches did, indeed, knock the nebulizer away and Crane spun around and doused Dent.
I'm just curious to know what happens if you don't counter. Also, it's kinda ridiculous that an obviously rational prisoner, who's sitting in the dock and not causing trouble, can get dosed against his will in the middle of a courtroom, and a judge is just cool with this. Where was "Malone's" lawyer, anyway? Why was a competency test being applied if neither he nor his non-existent lawyer was trying to enter an insanity plea? Who was questioning his competency? How was ANY of that constitutional?
Dent getting doused is the judge's fault for allowing such a farce in the first place.
I don’t think so. It’s not like a spider sense, it’s just Batman’s instincts saying “stop him, he’s about to attack me”, and the way crane fully turns and smashes it into Harvey’s faces suggest he did it himself. I get the VR limitations stuff but watch how he moves after he’s “pushed”, he did it intentionally
I feel very bad for Arnold. He seems like a decent guy who’s genuinely unwell and could probably live a normal life in an assisted living physiological facility but instead is launched into Blackgate prison where little good happens
I was more sad about Harley. She's so genuinely good and caring in this game. The basis of her entire character is that she believes there is good in everyone. It's tragic that she had to run into joker who's the antithesis to this.
This game makes me feel like other companies should make Arkham games than RockSteady.. RockSteady lost their minds with their last game
Blame the key devs they’re the one who made this game and then bailed to avoid criticism
This game had rocksteady alums working on it. If anybody blame Sefton Hill for not declining WB since he didn’t know how to make a live service game but did anyway. That’s the real reason it’s mid
What? Arkham Knight was amazing! Everyone knows that was Rocksteady's final game.
@@Rhyciz From all the information that's been released. RockSteady wanted to make that game from the start, not WB. So, RockSteady is to blame
@@Thehunter905 RockSteady is still to blame nonetheless
This video was so gas bro love how much lore they pack into these games it really goes to show that this is still one the best pieces of Batman media to this day love Rodger coming back for this such a great choice since the 🐐 has passed keep up the great work man
15:50 -
the part when dr crane throws the container at harvey depend on the "quick time event" , bruce is supposed to deflect Crane devices by pushing im toward harvey by mistake
Ummm, Crane didn't "just" turn to throw the acid on Harvey. Even though there isn't a full animation for what happened due to the fact that it is the player's interaction that causes it, it's made very clear that Bruce knocked Crane's hand away from him in self defense. This caused Crane to accidentally spill the acid on Harvey. Crane didn't do it on purpose as what you said would suggest, and neither did Bruce.
i absolutely love the fact they gave Ventriloquist and Scarface somewhat of a spotlight in this game. He is an underrated villain in the rouges gallery and a great character study in a similar way to Two Face, but at the same time, adding a possible paranormal aspect that makes a reader juggle on the idea on if Wesker was just crazy with multiple personalities, or if scarface was actually a Real living dummy. I love how for htis game, they kept that story 1 to 1 cause i wouldnt want to see it any other way for the arkhamverse.
Man Ham Dow is gonna go crazy
So it would seem that within the Arkhamverse, everything that is wrong with Gotham is because of Crane. After playing through the Arkham games, this revelation feels like a weight lifted off the shoulders of Bruce/Batman. 😉
And he gets some closure with the killer of his parents, because Joe does show regret and is content with being in prison for his actions
Having just "lived" through it, I guarantee you Bruce is going to have nightmares about the day in the courthouse for the rest of his life and will never forgive himself.
@@nekogamer2508: It’s because in Arkham Knight there are TV Sings that read “Batman: Bad or Good for Gotham.” This make ME believe that Bruce/Batman deep down blame himself for Gotham’s Current State, but after Arkham Shadow it’s revealed that it was never his fault, and at the end of the day, Gotham DOES NEED, Batman.
@@thedarkknight727Batman is still a cause and effect. Crane sees a vigilante dressing up as a bat, moving in the shadows, beating the crap out of people. This inspires him to delve deeper into 'shadow therapy' as Batman is obviously Bruce's shadow and Crane sees a man that's brought his shadow to the surface and has accepted it.
But say there is no Batman running around, which means Joker doesn't get created, which means the events of Origins never happen, which is the night that forever changed the landscape of Gotham and things started shifting from organized crime to supervillains. Would Crane still be diving into his 'shadow therapy'? Sure, it's possible. But I'd argue without the catalyst of Batman acting as a cause and the effect of crime's shift toward supervillains to oppose Batman as a form of escalation, Crane doesn't have the confidence nor the subjects he'd need to begin his journey as Scarecrow.
Finally physically getting to see Joe chill in an Arkham game is wild!
The most surprising thing I found out about the game: they actually confirmed the canonicity of Arkham Origins Blackgate
Previously, it was questionable whether the mobile game was canon or not. Now with Shadow, its pretty much confirmed with balckgate prisoners mentioning the events of Blackgate as well as the gel gun gadget
There is still the issue with Solomon Grundy appearing in Blackgate so they may have to eventually explain this "plothole"
It's not a plot-hole. Batman knows Grundy from before Arkham City, since he knows tearing out his heart won't kill him.
@@b.u.l.1734but in Origins Blackgate they speak like they have history still
So they’d have to explain that
Also how Batman beat Grundy was with electricity (which healed him in City)
Yeah! I always counted the game as not canon, but I’m wrong, it is canon, the Grundy thing isn’t even a continuity issue looking at it, it was more so just me thinking it was when there really is no evidence to suggest it
@@GothamPaladin If you look around, you can see a grundy poster and he is a circus performer, so maybe batman knew because a who could be revived would be big news
@@TheWaffleEdits Batman knows of Grundy in that game because he was a legendary "circus freak" in Gotham. Everybody knows about him. Plus, Grundy lives in the sewers during that era of the Arkham timeline, so it's safe to assume he and Batman met there for the first time (like in the Long Halloween comic) sometime before the events of Blackgate or even Origins.
And no, he defeats him by ripping his freaking heart out, lol.
Batman obviously knew doing that wouldn't have killed him, so he knew of him and his weakness from before.
Giving me a spoiler alert like Id genuinely pay $300 for a meta quest 3 is crazy dawg
Can't wait for the next game about the scarcrow origin and an actual two face threat maybe even some. Penquin to introduce their fude between each other
I hope the next game includes Robin (Dick Grayson) seeing as we already met him in this game.
Theres a 10-year gap between origins and asylum, so of course they had leeway with whatever they wanted to tell in the lore
One thing not pointed out or you missed is donnegan said when he made woody he made him out of an old tree death row inmates would be hung from so woody is possessed by a pretty serious inmate to quote the game night 1 when matches is crawling around
"Donnegan. Where did woody come from?"
"Long time ago, there was an old tree near death row for hangin' folks. One day it got struck by lightning. I managed to save some of the wood from the incinerator and put together woody here."
2:27 Definitely inspired by “Two-Face: Crime and Punishment” one of, if not THE best Two-Face story there is.
the beginning of the game has a book named "crime and punishment" in the bathroom of the tutorial area
@@kinggarcialawrence9426 Probably Dostoevsky's "Crime and Punishment"
12:29 That’s just a limitation with how VR works. Bruce (you) did hit the acid out of Dr. Crane’s hand after he shoved it in your face, and then it broke on Harvey
27:46 he was very determined 🗿👍
Legit had to stop the video I laughed so hard!😂
@ same hear
Chronologically, I think Batman Arkham Asylum, City, Knight take place roughly 8-10 years after Origins and Shadow. Batman: Arkham Knight takes place a year after the events of Arkham City, which takes place 2 years after Arkham Asylum, which takes place 5 years after Arkham Origins. So, he's about 9-10 years in, also, adding the years from Suicide Squad, he'd be 14-15 years in.
Asylum is 7.5 years after Origins:
Origins is Christmas Eve of year two (stated in-game)
Knight is set on Halloween, ten years after Origins (stated in-game), thus making it year twelve
Knight is set nine months after Joker’s cremation (stated in-game), placing City in late December of year eleven or early January of year twelve.
City is set eighteen months after Asylum (stated multiple times in-game), placing Asylum in the summer of year ten.
The difference between Christmas of year two and summer of year ten is seven and a half years.
I was so afraid the Rat King was gonna be another Joker copout 😂
Great deep dive into this game. You’ve gained a new sub from me. I hope the next Batman game allows us to play as both Batman and Robin (Dick Grayson) and dive into the relationship of the dynamic duo.
It’s pretty likely that we’ll see Robin next seeing as we actually met Dick Grayson in Arkham Shadows as Batman
0:24 i think there might be spoilers in this. if only someone left a million warnings to let us know
Joe chill segments are fire 39:24
Definitely very chilling I might add but great writing for his character from WB Montreal. They really understand how to convey his guilt of the biggest of his life.
@@MaYhEmJaYy101 You mean Camouflaj?
@@AwesomeNinjaXD huh
@@MaYhEmJaYy101 Camouflaj is the one that made this game. WB Montreal did Origins.
@@AwesomeNinjaXD Aw okay thank you and well not my type of game. They did a fantastic job with the story and lore.
Hey there is mysterious black figure that looks like talon with green eyes when you are entering black gate
What? Where?!
@@kwayneboy1524 it’s in the first part when your following the tyger guard in black gate,and it depends who does the video because no one noticed it except for one person so check out stalker in Arkham shadows
I gotta look for that!
@@GothamPaladin yeah this UA-camr foeinform noticed it and one person said it can be talon maybe and if you get a good look at the eyes it has green to it so maybe it’s a reference to a future Arkham game with the court who knows !
@@GothamPaladin but take what I said with a pinch of salt because as much as it does look like talon being that the talons have green or yellow eyes it may be azreal bc in AK the order did say you have studied the dark knight for years azreal perfecting his every tactic perfecting, his every move.however he doenst have green eyes so it may not be him
In the tape with Harvey and Crane Crane States that Harvey promised he'd get rid of Gotham within a year which is the same thing he said him and Batman would do in Arkham Knight when you're taking him to the GCPD prison it just shows how much attention to detail camouflage made when making this game and making sure that it stayed in line with the arkhammers
I love how this Evolve Batman and that Crane push tons of Characters into the Villains we know Today
This is one of the best in the series. If you’re a Arkham fan. It’s sooooooo worth getting a quest to play this
What year is this for batman? 3, 4? Roger Craig Smith voice sounds so good here. Really sounds like a young Conroy, with his voice, of course. He is the successor to Conroy. Elijah Wood as Crane is brilliant. Im surprised he hasn't been cast as him before. They still can't decide what Scarecrow sounds like though. Kinda squeaky voice, then intimidating in Knight. 😅
Year 3, Origins ended at Year 2 and Blackgate picks up in March of Year 3 and this Game is in July of that same year.
To be honest can we really say it was Crane who splashed the acid onto Harvey when the gameplay of it doesn't look well in that scene, looking like rather it was intended for Malone to actually knock it out of Crane's hand? VR games always have their ups and downs. It sounds definitely plausible to Crane's character though.
I love this side of Harley that we get to see. She truly wanted to help these people and was a good person. In my opinion it kinda shows how she was able to come back from her insanity a bit in SSKTJL. A lot of people were thinking it made no sense, but this kinda shows (along with Harleen’s voice in Arkham knight when entering detective mode as Harley) show that she always had good in her. All it took to bring some of it out was to take away the manipulator and give her some time. I think this game also gives a better connection between Harley and Batman, making the pull of Harley killing Batman just a little bit easier to swallow. Tbh, I enjoyed SSKTJL, and I’m really looking for anything to defend certain aspects of the game. Even though I know a lot of it can’t be defended 😭
i dont like harley written as a good character when throughout her time as jokers sidekick she kills many people and commits henouis acts but its okay because its tge jokers fault she did that cause she was abused and infatuated or something
Pathetic mindset.
Nah, SSKTJL fundamentally misunderstood Arkham Harley and confused her with movie Harley.
Arkham Harley was at the point of being irredeemable. It's one of her darkest versions.
@@Casshio this game honestly shows that that wasn’t true, along with the voices in knight. There was always something there. She shouldn’t be forgiven for her crimes or not be punished for them, but it doesn’t mean she can’t become a batter person again
@@ShreddedGenius Harley is insane. Her actions shouldn't be forgiven or ignored, but batman's no kill rule and most of his stories because of that rule are supposed to show that he believes everyone deserves a chance to be reformed. On top of this, we've seen plenty of his villains end up being reformed before: Freeze, Harley, and even his biggest baddie, Joker. Several comics and other forms of media have shown this side of batman that I personally love. He's always willing to give his villains another chance. One example of Harley being reformed in other media, is in the animated series. Batman himself goes to congratulate her, which I think is supposed to be a lesson to us fans that a person's past doesn't define who they become in the future. It's never too late to decide you want to be better. I've also experienced this myself as well in real life. I wasn't an amazing person when I was younger, and actively made other people's lives worse. I don't want to be forgiven for the things I did when I was younger, nor do I think I deserve to be. But I am, and have been, trying to be and do better than the old me. So, I guess you could say I'm biased towards redemption arcs for characters, but I just think it's never too late for someone to be better than their past
As a Gilda Dent fan, the fact that Gilda is mentioned at all brings joy to my heart
Gp says, "Check this out." The video then proceeds to show me an ad with a dancing mom holding a baby.
What’s crazy is the Harley voice breaking through the harleen voice as she gets more mad is iconic Tara needs a award with this performance
Can someone please talk about how the rat we push through the wall is DICK GRAYSON! Look at the hair, the face, and the god damn jacket. I thought this was obvious but I haven’t seen anyone talk about it yet.
Leslie also says Bruce should meet a former rat in the hospital that she’s been working with while the credits roll. Totally referring to Dick, and how he becomes adopted by Bruce. 45:08
Please replay the mission and take a closer look after you beat him up.
The Arkham Wiki talks about it but no one has made a video 😞. It’s gotta be part of the DLCs to come out right?
Ventriloquist and Scarface is always my favorite villains in Batman shows and video games
10:23 everything up to this point so far sounds a lot like Batman the long Halloween which is super cool
They really … did something very unique here and it is truly amazing for the series and continuity of the Arkham Series and being from Origins too . This works in a very different way than what a lot of us were experiencing
The best hallucination is always gonna be Arkham asylum
this game proves that Rocksteady could easily make another Batman in this timeline between Origins and Asylum! So much lore to be explored
This wasn’t rocksteady. This was made by WB Montreal.
@@greytakerrev7147it wasn’t made by wb Montreal either it was made by camouflage studios
I mean, Harvey having a third personality is not something new, but is very interesting
like that episode in tnba where Harvey is the judge
Two face was cool in the dark knight but I would love an adaptation of him where his split personality is actually the focus is his character. It would make him so tragic
I just rolled credit last night. Thanks for this. I loved these reveals sooooo much
It they ever make another Arkham game it definitely needs to pick up after this game to continue Batman's character growth towards how he is in Asylum. They have like 10 years there to work with so they have plenty of space for several games if they want.
Yo when to gameplay trailer came out i literally said to myself that the rat king was harvey dent
This Joe chill is 🐐
YEESS love that there is more representation on two face. He is such a cool character and is under utilized in so many media
surely the next prequel will be a robin origin story
Oh I would love to bring Robin in proper.
Which one?
All of them
Or one of them
@@Mrx-k7o it would have to be dick grayson surely since we haven't seen him as robin. and then the rocksteady game should be dick grayson taking up the mantle of batman with damien as his sidekick set in a batman beyond style timeline, that would be a perfect way to round out the series - it could be a god of war 2018 style game
27:52 - 27:58
Ok that was actually pretty funny-
- Batman: Arkham Origins
- Batman: Arkham Shadow
- Batman: Arkham Asylum
- Batman: Arkham City
- Batman: Arkham Knight
You skipped Blackgate. Shadow makes reference to its events at several points.
- Batman: Arkham Origins: Initiation
- Batman: Arkham Origins (Xmas Eve, Year 2)
- Batman: Arkham Origins: Cold, Cold Heart (New Year's Eve, Year 2)
- Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate (March, Year 3 - April, Year 3)
- Batman: Arkham Shadow (Independence Day, Year 3 - Bastille Day, Year 3)
- Batman: Arkham Knight: A Matter of Family
- Batman: Arkham Asylum
- Batman: Arkham City
- Batman: Arkham City: Harley Quinn's Revenge
- Batman: Arkham VR
- Batman: Arkham Knight: Harley Quinn
- Batman: Arkham Knight (Halloween, Year X)
- Batman: Arkham Knight: The Season of Infamy (Halloween, Year X)
- Batman: Arkham Knight: Red Hood
- Batman: Arkham Knight: GCPD Lockdown
- Batman: Arkham Knight: Catwoman's Revenge
- Batman: Arkham Knight: A Flip of a Coin
- Suicide Squad: Kill the Justice League
The stance of the rat when he was confronted by Batman reminded me of night wing.
Two-Face has always been probably my favorite Batman villain when he’s in a story that actually knows how to use and characterize him well, which is sadly not very often (The Dark Knight and the Telltale series stand out as modern exceptions).
This game? Oh man, they fucking nailed it. I’m seriously considering getting a headset for this, this team really knew what they were doing.
Also, for the record at 16:40, Shadow takes place 7 years before Asylum. Knight takes place 10 years after Origins and nine months after Joker’s cremation (both stated in-game). City takes place 18 months after Asylum (stated many times in-game, notably with a lot of Quincy Sharp dialogue and bio text), placing Asylum seven and a half years after Origins. Origins is Christmas Eve of year two, Asylum is summer of year ten, City is either late December of year eleven or early January of year twelve, and Knight is Halloween of year twelve. Since Shadow is the summer after Origins, it’s almost exactly seven years before Asylum.
i love that the developers stayed true to the lore and its continuity.
Crazy how did such homework camoflaj did to tie shadow to the future arkham stories like everything happened in this game made sense continuing to asylum/city/knight. Even in that SSKTJL game harley did somehow know how to make his own fear gas for working with crane.
You know what else I've noticed? Where Harvey got hit by the acid, is the same place the acid bath is located in that courthouse in Arkham City. 😮
Oh WOW it actually is
i love how two face has more human to him in this
In the comics harveys dad was nice when he's sober. But becomes violent when drunk. He's a twofaced person.
Who’s your favorite Arkham character
As boring as it is, Batman, but I love Nightwing and Harvey a lot too
if you think about it, it then makes a lot more sense why Crane was Batman's Final Villain in Arkham Knight.
Could you consider a Kevin Conroy tribute? Nov 10th marks 2nd anniversary of his death. I got a voice acting background and his voice was an inspiration for me since the Batman Animated Series. I made a tribute to him using the classic toys with footage from Arkham and Injustice but I don't got ur reach, and he deserves much bigger tribute.
your tribute is actually pretty cool. such a simple but great idea to use the toys.
I would want to see your tribute.
@@willsherman4044 Hi, it's on my channel.
@@willsherman4044 it's on his channel just click the name
So many personalities going on with Harvey. Feels like giving him a major moment to piece in.
I will gladly spoil myself on wanting the new lore info that comes from this game watching your content. Can’t wait to your videos discovering Easter eggs and hidden lore. Oh wow I didn’t expect Scarecrow to be behind Two Face’s dia figuration this is so cool and interesting. Glad Harvey’s character got explored more and a twist that he was the rat king was very unexpected. Didn’t think that Jonathan Crane was gonna have a huge role in this game.
the attention to detail man I love how faithfully they adapted the Arkhamverse. I cannot wait for potentially more Arkham!
I finally got an Arkham game with Two-face as the main villain! I thought the mystery of the rat king was well done. Lots of plausible suspects. I know it's another Arkham knight situation. A new villain that turns out to be an already established character. But I think its executed better here.
I love that we get The Ventriloquist in this game, & so much more Two-Face.