FOR EXTRA NOTES CLICK EXPAND This video is sponsored by Buyee. Sign up for Buyee and get 2,000 yen off your first purchase! (affiliate link): bit.ly/buyee-tokaku Notes: - I am not editing like this ever again, it took a month to get this video done. Unless if I get a million views per video each time or $1000 pledged on my patreon, no way. Sorry about that! - Korean screenshots were translated with DeepL in the video - I'm not sure if the update that recracked the song decryptions in O2Mania was by the original creators (the original website stopped at a beta 1.3.0 version that was not released publicly. I also don't know who is behind the current O2Mania website. They're two different domains. - O2Jam China, in an ironic twist of events, had some illegal things going on too. They plagarised a number of copyrighted songs from other rhythm games. egloos.zum.com/blue0284/v/5133571 blue0284.egloos.com/5133571 - Music & Beats was developed by Mobirix (yes, yet another company, I didn't say it in the video though) - It is unclear what happened to O2Jam Company. Since Music & Games is under VALOFE now, I can only guess that they were either bought over by VALOFE or VALOFE bought the O2Jam IP - A bunch of other things were fixed in the 1.2GB update, like the keybinds not saving if you quit the game
This was an extremely well edited video and you deserve to get a milion views under it. I hope you'll continue over-editing videos like this at least from time to time, cause they're very enjoyable to watch.
I genuinely thought you hired an editor for this video, you did a really good job! I'm sure you got a ton of experience from this, maybe if you decide to do this style of editing again for a big project you'll get it done much quicker, or... maybe just go insane from overworking yourself too hard. Hopefully it's not the latter.
oh man, it's so sad that O2jam's legacy is this. I used to play the shit out of O2jam in the early 2000s. My avatar had so much bling because I spent my allowance on the stupid cash currency comestics while the noobs had no hair (default avatar was bald), I had glorious long blonde hair. I remember the first 'paid' song I had was Gargoyle. Mastering that song felt so good. And even better was playing that song to full combo in a LAN shop with people standing behind you going all "WOW PRO" And now O2jam is like this. This is the worst timeline.
That is literal Bad Future from Sonic CD, what the hell happened to this franchise. Although I wasn't a super fan of the original O2Jam (Because I was too young to even know what it was, the game is literally older than me), I remember playing a lot of O2Jam U and having a blast despite the predatory monetization that's somehow worse than gacha games
I'm a korean rhythm gamer live in korea, have been playing almost all of rhythm games released in korea since 2000s like Canmusic PUMP O2JAM DJMAX etc, but somehow you showed us amazing amount of knowledge about the industry that a native KR gamer has no idea.... I'm pretty impressed
Difference is you are playing games like a normal person, while us autistic idiots make a life and our entire personality out of it. Gg, i hope to be like you
Really obscure story in China about O2Jam Online's 'worst game on steam' status: Prior to O2Jam Online's existence, the worst game on steam has always been a Chinese tabletop multiplayer game 'War of the Three Kingdom' based on a real and massively popular Chinese tabletop game, which has the quality of like 'Monopoly Plus', the multiplayer experience balanced by a toddler, and the level of cashgrab and pay-to-win that is unthinkable even to Genshin gamers. I'm not going in depth on how bad the cashgrab is, but it is bad enough where players can spend up to millions and still have things payable, and hence the Chinese gamer community attempts to 'gatekeep' the game away from kids who played the irl version of the tabletop game or foreign gamers who don't know better, which results in the negative review bomb on that game (usually with different languages, outlining the crimes the game has committed) which serves as a warning, also as a Chinese-only meme. After O2Jam Online has been released, it has dethroned the Chinese game from being the worst rated game on steam. Being the certified Chinese memesters, some tried to protect the sovereignty of 'War of the Three Kingdom' being the worst game, whom attempted to bombard O2Jam Online with positive reviews while creating alt accounts and re-enabling their thumbs-down streak on that Chinese game to maintain the ratio. If you scroll down the comments on O2Jam Online and find a Chinese comment, 9 out of 10 would be talking about that condemned Chinese tabletop game. O2Jam Online showing 'Mixed' in recent Steam reviews, has been also somewhat influenced by such action from these Chinese gamers. Now let us send our congratulations to these devoted Chinese memesters. 'War of the Three Kingdom' is back on top (or bottom, depends on how you look at it), for once and hopefully forever.
as an (ex-)genshin player, genshin is not even the worst of its kind, so it for sure would be unthinkable its still pretty bad to be fair (gacha is bad by principle), just slightly better than majority
Seems oddly common for these half dead korean games to get juggled around between publishers as they roll away from their original intention and playerbase. This really feels like the logical conclusion to that. A game that has moved so far away from the original that it's just become an unrecognizable corpse of the original game
I wanted to see how bad it was but when I ran the game it tried to install what I think is an anticheat, failed, crashed and then watermarked my screen until I uninstalled the game. Complete quality.
12:35 There is a similar bug in Bandori, it has to do with languages that use . as a thousands separator and , as a decimal separator and vice versa. If so, on JP, your score gets inflated and the game kicks you out for getting an impossible score. On EN, there is one particular song, Nevereverland, that changes BPM to 206.5 at one point, causing all notes to approach at 10x speed.
you would think that they would keep all the internal calculations in one language and just apply the translator at the end to the text that gets shown to the player
12:32 Yeah, that's me. The reason I have that score is the same bug that someone commented. I live in Argentina, many spanish speaking countries use the Comma as a decimal mark, except some in North and Central America, like Mexico, that use the Point instead.
@@crabulon_the_perfect_one they do -- the issue is with standard library functions for e.g. parsing a string to a floating-point number are locale-sensitive -- on EN the string "206.5" becomes the number 206.5, but on a locale that uses , for decimal separation it becomes the number 2065. normally you're supposed to also give those functions a fixed locale if you're parsing something other than user input, but sometimes people forget or don't know you have to do that.
What a sad event to what happened to this game. Back in 2005-2009 here in the Philippines this game was at its peak and there were so many pro players around and I could just play the game all day long with someone always there to play among the main servers (Kalliope, Euta, Kleo). I ranked 2nd in one of the regional tournaments and that defined my teenage years. The main downfall of the game was literally the company that ran it and failed to understand the needs of its users. They implemented subscriptions (O2KR) and micro transactions before they were a thing which turned off most, but that really didn't matter back in the day even if I spent all my lunch money on it because buying the in game items was really nice as well the songs. In the later stages of running the game they failed to give direction to the game by failing to give what the users want relative to what the prices they were charging the in-game transactions for, along with the random hacking occurring in-game, Korean exclusivity, as well as different companies holding the IP until it went down to the ground in 2012. What a mess. They should have released the ORIGINAL default 7 key game as a steam release and it might have thrived because the PC gaming platform is what it is now. And now DJMRV has stole that crown of the rhythm game with the best 'feeling' on the notes, having several battle passes which O2JAM would have ultimately had, as well as new songs and skins released at every cycle. Osu mania, although having the same concept also doesn't have that rhythmic feel of the original game and the feel of the notes are somewhat bland, probably due to the way it was programmed. I now rank 30k in the game and it gets really boring easily. Its really sad because the original gameplay was really unlike any other rhythm game; the notes were well timed to the beat and the songs were really fantastic to play on, also being made by actual artists dedicated to the game like SHK, KAZE, Beautiful Day, etc. The other VSRG's at the time could not even compare to the feel of the original O2jam game that was why it was so popular. My only loving memory of the game is that I keep an old offline Windows PC running windows vista wherein I run the much better and more accurate emulator called O2china and have all my songs loaded and play the game to my hearts content on some days. IF they ever want people to play the game, they should release the ORIGINAL 7KEY DESIGN of the game, ALONG WITH THE EXACT PLAYABILITY it had back in the day no more no less. Because people from back then will ultimately remember what a great game it was, that was why O2Int thrived, and not the crap we are seeing that was released just now. They can charge for all the micro transactions they want, but if it is unlike the original game, it will never click. BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL O2JAM!
@@arcueid3352 it's mentioned on the pinned comment, but it took her too long to finish the video due to the style of editing. a shame, IMO the effort was paid off but yeah if every video she did would take months to do I can see why she'd rather a simpler editing style
my uncle actually used to play o2jam, back in the philippines a few years before i was born (im only 13, almost 14), he used to go to a computer store, and while there he got made fun of by some people for not playing o2jam (presumably they were playing on the stores computers), so he went ahead and downloaded the game, and began playing, ended up becoming one of the best in that area, of course it has been like 16 years for him so some parts might seem fuzzy, i let him play again after i went ahead and downloaded o2mania and all the songs, and due to the extremely long period of not playing, he obviously wasn't all too skilled, but could still play a bit higher than me, for a bit he did play on my computer to play o2mania, with permission of course and i went upstairs and he was playing, and i watched, i remember he also asked if he could play after i was done doing something, and he also played at night like once, after he got back from like the casino, i remember i made a full notepad guiding him to the file. this was only in like 2022 when he started playing for a bit. edit: edited to be more clear.
The KSSN thing wasn't just an O2Jam thing, it was a thing back then for Korea Maplestory (which was already IP blocked) and when people found a way to bypass it, you now must have a Korean phone number to register which is tied to your license and personal identification. Basically they just wanted the servers exclusively for their own people, and I guess games without enough an audience just died out
Sucks when games region lock to go this hard from regions from interacting with each other. Fighting games know this far too common with no crossplay & rollback = dead game in months. Unsure china is like this but wouldn't pass it by them, but i can just feel the pain from the players having game after game die out.
@@M4TTYN Region locking is the scourge of media everywhere. It’s like the ghost of xenophobia casting a curse on your game consoles or DVDs. There’s quite literally no good reason for region locking, it’s always a polite “fuck you” to foreign audiences.
2:01 Futaba from Persona 5 5:07 voice font of Sans from Undertale 15:57 Hope’s Peak Academy from Danganronpa Almost all my favorite series in one video followuped lol
This is the most impressive video edit you have ever done - well done, seriously. I don't even want to think about the amount of edits this went through. O2 Jam has some bangers, not gonna lie...
I've never heard of this game in my life but the video is so entertaining I basically got force fed information about a korean rythm game while I was occupied laughing with the edits.
The editing and comedy you had on telling us the story of this what I can so generously call "A corpse so defiled even god dosent know what they originally were" travesty of a game series was so much fun ^^ thanks for suffering the horrors of O2Jam for our amusement
I noticed that. i kept recognizing the series and was like are they all yuri? heck there are some pretty obscure series there (i think the most obscure i recognized was Please Bully Me Miss Villainess)
Jesus christ...how did you even get so much footage from so long ago to make this video? That's amazing...as an old o2jam player much respect to you, I can't even get my head around how you were able to gather so much footage from that far back to make this video. Amazing job, this is like an o2jam documentary the way you shared so much information about the history of o2jam and you help bring things like o2 mania and dj max to a much bigger audience.
This is so sad. The original O2Jam (the one from the 2000's that ran in a 640x480 resolution on windows XP) was the game that got me into rhythm games and probably the only rhythm game I actually took relatively seriously (as in, wrist injuring level).
Interesting to note that even though the official game died more than a decade ago, private servers are still going strong (or they were before the C&D stuff). So many of the insane top 7k vsrg players come from o2jam!
Damn, O2Jam. What a throwback. My now dead uncle played that a lot when it was very famous. Kinda suprised why it disappeared but this explains it properly. Well done.
12:40 oh yeah this also happened in pjsekai where the bgm use dots for demicals but some phone uses comma instead of dots so it kinda stops working entirely
Fuck watching this video broke my heart. O2Jam is one of the first online game i played back in 2000s here in Indonesia. It is my beloved childhood game that i still played last year via O2Mania. Knowing their situation really makes me sad. I still remember back then there's no Guild system on the game itself but people making their own Guild on O2Jam forum and from there friendships and rivalries formed. I remember 1 times playing on O2Jam competition and just get demolished because i brought wrong keyboard that i can't press 7 buttons at the same time lol. I really got so many good memories from this game. I'm sure hope someday we'll got a good official O2Jam server running. Not some cash grabs like it now. Cheers, Luxoria from Indonesian server back then.
My introduction to O2Jam was just some of the mobile ports, I never knew about the original. But now there’s all these songs I know and love and wanna play, but can’t unless I pay up smh
I haven't seen your channel before because I'm not the biggest on rhythm games (aka: I suck at all of them except Hi-Fi Rush haha), but I really loved this video, the way you presented the history of these games was super interested and well scripted and edited!! All the stuff that happened to O2Jam jumping publishers and getting greedier rereleases over time rings familiar for me as someone who used to play tons of Korean MMOs back in the day, it seems to be quite a common thing in the Korean games industry.
I used to play O2Jam for a long time ever since it came here in Malaysia. I loved the soundtrack and the community I was part of, both online and offline. It's sad to see how its full history turned out to be till now. I've already said my piece in my Steam review but I'll say it again: Please pack your bags and move to other rhythm games that do a much better job as this; such as DJMAX, SDVX, Arcaea, etc. On a side note, I think when the original developers (O2Media) sold out the game, they went on to make Krazy Rain. Needless to say; that game, too, is long gone in a similar fashion. I have no idea what happened to it or its history.
I'm a 31 yo Malaysian and I used to play O2jam so much back in the early 2000s. I remembered that this is the first game where I used real money on as some of the better songs were locked behind a paywall. I was still a kid and my asian parents would kill me if they knew I was using using my money to buy games so I snuck out of the house on my bike to the nearest 7-Eleven to buy those game cards which contains the currency to buy the songs in-game. I remembered the main songs I wanted to play were Identity and Identity part 2. So much nostalgia. Now I just settle with DJMax Respect V, though the tracks are still nowhere as good as the original O2jam
>1:03 Did you really think you were going to slip a Septette for the Dead Princess by me?! I receive neuron activation after only 4 notes! This is my first video to the channel and cute Singaporean accents with rhythm games is a hell of a combo and I’m here for it. I’d heard about the o2 drama but never had the context so this was fun. However with a rhythm channel and Touhou references under your belt I can’t help but notice you haven’t played Yoiyami Dancers yet and I regret to inform you that is /actually illegal/. Please rectify this serious state of affairs at once lest the yamaxanadu send you to gensojail. It’s a hard game and it definitely combines a rhythm movement a la crypt of the necrodancer and a danmaku but once you get the timing of a level and manage to dodge to the beat and get a good full level combo it feels so good. Also it’s wonderfully cute. You should check it out!
Recommendation works well today because it gifted me this gem. Editing is fun, voice is nice to hear, video isn't boring at all. Overall I am glad that I found this channel and this video. Looking forward to seeing more content from you :D
Thank you for enlighting me on the matter. As a former O2Jam player who switched to Osu! Mania when times were dire, I heard the name O2Jam Online and was filled with hope, which now turned back into despair. O2Jam fanbase just cant catch a break. I guess it's back to Osu! Mania then...
Who could’ve guessed that big companies keep releasing piss poor products because they keep being paid to do so… at least we have small/indie studios releasing quality games for us to play
It's kinda sad how bad the so called "O2Jam Online" by VALOFE. Even further how badly it is treated toward people's who actually love the old O2Jam who try to maintain those private server for years now by making them shutdown the server. How in the world even they get a hold O2Jam in first place just plain suck but I guess business is business after all. Wish there will be one day when there's an actual remake of O2Jam Online on PC version that actually inspired well as how it was while using modern game engine by standard nowadays or even better a game that actually not o2jam but much better while holding those elements make o2jam what it was in past which actually do better job making such game. Oh well. Good video btw. Very well constructed information so far. I enjoyed it so far :)
as a seo taiji fan who played o2jam, he didn't got actually paid anymore because the servers closed back in 2009 and the revenue he was about to get was pretty big and it's a shame considering the fact that if it wasn't him kpop wouldn't be as he is the godfather of kpop
This is one hell of a history to a game. I dunno if it's the craziest story out there but my goodness. I especially lost it at O2Mania's update just a year later. The dev of that program trolled that game's devs hard.
Music game veteran here. I got this game during early access on Steam and it was my fastest refund I've ever made. And on another note: These subscription models are absolutely toxic. I prefer DLC packs. Even worse if you have to buy songs AND sub. What kinda BS is that (I'm looking at you Konami)
I think this video is proof that any topic no matter how obscure or niche can be extremely entertaining to watch with enough ADHD editing for satisfying the most Adderall deficient children. Jokes aside, absolutely amazing video and the editing is superb. I'm definitely looking forward to more videos from you.
This is gold, there was a time where videos on UA-cam use this kind of editing format. Nowadays it's mostly reaction thingy video that rarely brings any value to the original content.
I've never seen so many references to yuri manga characters in one video. Also I love the new style of editing in this video, certainly entertaining to watch.
I had always been curious about O2Jam, after seeing it mentioned by old players and seeing its songs in HIGH5 and PIU. After reading about it on namuwiki (with Google translate to Japanese), I concluded that the best way to experience O2Jam songs is to play them on other Korean music games.
i was so excited for this to hit steam but as soon as it released i was like NOPE. there's just better options now. though i do wish some company would release a rhythm game with fun avatars to collect clothes and stuff for, i just LOVE that shit and miss it.
I can't even begin to IMAGINE how long this took to edit, like this is like 3 steps above my editing considering you photoshopped a bunch of anime girl OCs to put on top of the video. Also, the Yuki Nagato typing edit made me subscribe, you have great taste. :)
That's another video in the bag for "thing I had no idea existed and now know a substantial amount about" As a big FE fan it was an experience seeing it appear all throughout the video of an unrelated topic but simply not being acknowledged by the voiceover at all
I'ved played o2jam since the beginning and there's one thing you might've missed there was a very big exploit back then, you can buy the egames shirt cosmetic for 20 game currency sell it back for 20,000 and you can have infinite amount of in game currency which you can buy songs and very expensive cosmetics that are on par with cash ones iirc that caused the cash items worthless and it was never fixed for a long time. After that the game shut down. It happened in the philippines idk about the other servers.
Is that an image from 100-nichi Go ni ××× suru Onna Shachou to Shinyuu Shain at 0:36? Never thought to see that in the wild. I commend the culture. Edit: 3:33 is also Please Bully Me, Miss Villainess! 9:04 is Koushin Koinu ni Koibumi wo 9:22 Whispering You a Love Song(?) loving the not as popular Yuri manga inserts. Many more but I need to actually watch the video.
I played few rhythm games for many years but not O2Jam because on its peak I was more into IDate that time. However, I was actually waiting for the steam when this was about to release but then seeing the reviews it kills my motivation to even install it. Seeing the history on this video makes me sad... Super sad for some reason. Great video btw *subscribed Now I think about it, the Thumbnail which is the new O2Jam anime figure is what makes me sad I guess, that smile is like masking pain and failure.
The algorithm recommended your channel to me and I dont even wstch rhythm game stuff but yours seemed interesting.I enjoyed the editing style of this video and have not seen any of your other content but if you continue on this path you will have success.
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Notes:
- I am not editing like this ever again, it took a month to get this video done. Unless if I get a million views per video each time or $1000 pledged on my patreon, no way. Sorry about that!
- Korean screenshots were translated with DeepL in the video
- I'm not sure if the update that recracked the song decryptions in O2Mania was by the original creators (the original website stopped at a beta 1.3.0 version that was not released publicly. I also don't know who is behind the current O2Mania website. They're two different domains.
- O2Jam China, in an ironic twist of events, had some illegal things going on too. They plagarised a number of copyrighted songs from other rhythm games.
egloos.zum.com/blue0284/v/5133571
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- Music & Beats was developed by Mobirix (yes, yet another company, I didn't say it in the video though)
- It is unclear what happened to O2Jam Company. Since Music & Games is under VALOFE now, I can only guess that they were either bought over by VALOFE or VALOFE bought the O2Jam IP
- A bunch of other things were fixed in the 1.2GB update, like the keybinds not saving if you quit the game
you rlly over edited this 😊/pos
This was an extremely well edited video and you deserve to get a milion views under it. I hope you'll continue over-editing videos like this at least from time to time, cause they're very enjoyable to watch.
I genuinely thought you hired an editor for this video, you did a really good job! I'm sure you got a ton of experience from this, maybe if you decide to do this style of editing again for a big project you'll get it done much quicker, or... maybe just go insane from overworking yourself too hard. Hopefully it's not the latter.
i barely watch youtube and actually sat through a video for once good job
I respect the effort put into this hyper edit. Have you watched max0r and his incorrect summary series? They are so much chaos and fun.
oh man, it's so sad that O2jam's legacy is this. I used to play the shit out of O2jam in the early 2000s. My avatar had so much bling because I spent my allowance on the stupid cash currency comestics while the noobs had no hair (default avatar was bald), I had glorious long blonde hair.
I remember the first 'paid' song I had was Gargoyle. Mastering that song felt so good. And even better was playing that song to full combo in a LAN shop with people standing behind you going all "WOW PRO"
And now O2jam is like this. This is the worst timeline.
That is literal Bad Future from Sonic CD, what the hell happened to this franchise.
Although I wasn't a super fan of the original O2Jam (Because I was too young to even know what it was, the game is literally older than me), I remember playing a lot of O2Jam U and having a blast despite the predatory monetization that's somehow worse than gacha games
It could be worse, a lot worse
@Ricardobr14 but it could also be *a lot* better.
o2jam isnt really dead though there are still private servers going on, no one actually care about the steam release we all on the real o2
@@clamati1436 I'd love to play it but god do I suck at anything more than 5 keys
I'm a korean rhythm gamer live in korea, have been playing almost all of rhythm games released in korea since 2000s like Canmusic PUMP O2JAM DJMAX etc, but somehow you showed us amazing amount of knowledge about the industry that a native KR gamer has no idea.... I'm pretty impressed
Can only imagine the pain y'all went through with shut downs but mainly all these greedy monetization of a game before the model got more common.
South korea has so many talented artist and developers, it hurts that korean games industry today is all over the place
@@erzajumeidi blame korea for the entire gaming industry monetization practices of today it stems from shitty korean mmos from mid 2000s
Difference is you are playing games like a normal person, while us autistic idiots make a life and our entire personality out of it. Gg, i hope to be like you
@@erzajumeidi l
Really obscure story in China about O2Jam Online's 'worst game on steam' status:
Prior to O2Jam Online's existence, the worst game on steam has always been a Chinese tabletop multiplayer game 'War of the Three Kingdom' based on a real and massively popular Chinese tabletop game, which has the quality of like 'Monopoly Plus', the multiplayer experience balanced by a toddler, and the level of cashgrab and pay-to-win that is unthinkable even to Genshin gamers. I'm not going in depth on how bad the cashgrab is, but it is bad enough where players can spend up to millions and still have things payable, and hence the Chinese gamer community attempts to 'gatekeep' the game away from kids who played the irl version of the tabletop game or foreign gamers who don't know better, which results in the negative review bomb on that game (usually with different languages, outlining the crimes the game has committed) which serves as a warning, also as a Chinese-only meme.
After O2Jam Online has been released, it has dethroned the Chinese game from being the worst rated game on steam. Being the certified Chinese memesters, some tried to protect the sovereignty of 'War of the Three Kingdom' being the worst game, whom attempted to bombard O2Jam Online with positive reviews while creating alt accounts and re-enabling their thumbs-down streak on that Chinese game to maintain the ratio. If you scroll down the comments on O2Jam Online and find a Chinese comment, 9 out of 10 would be talking about that condemned Chinese tabletop game. O2Jam Online showing 'Mixed' in recent Steam reviews, has been also somewhat influenced by such action from these Chinese gamers.
Now let us send our congratulations to these devoted Chinese memesters. 'War of the Three Kingdom' is back on top (or bottom, depends on how you look at it), for once and hopefully forever.
This is oddly wholesome, never thought I'd say "thank you chinese gatekeepers for your service" but here we are
I ain’t readin ALL AT
I’m joking, I actually read it and I really appreciate you taking the time to educate us on this because I had no clue tbh. Thanks.
as an (ex-)genshin player, genshin is not even the worst of its kind, so it for sure would be unthinkable
its still pretty bad to be fair (gacha is bad by principle), just slightly better than majority
Genshin is not pay to win though? It's amazingly f2p friendly compared to things like FGO
Never have i ever felt bad for a game mascot. Poor girl deserves better honestly
same
I heard about the o2jam online drama before, but I didn't realise how chaotic the history of the series has been, great editing btw
Seems oddly common for these half dead korean games to get juggled around between publishers as they roll away from their original intention and playerbase. This really feels like the logical conclusion to that. A game that has moved so far away from the original that it's just become an unrecognizable corpse of the original game
_feels compelled to mention Mabinogi for some reason_
Theseus game
@@auraguard0212 isn't that game already gone
@@randomperson4198 Uh... I thought I was still getting updates to it, I don't know...
@@auraguard0212 it's still somewhat alive
I wanted to see how bad it was but when I ran the game it tried to install what I think is an anticheat, failed, crashed and then watermarked my screen until I uninstalled the game. Complete quality.
12:35 There is a similar bug in Bandori, it has to do with languages that use . as a thousands separator and , as a decimal separator and vice versa. If so, on JP, your score gets inflated and the game kicks you out for getting an impossible score. On EN, there is one particular song, Nevereverland, that changes BPM to 206.5 at one point, causing all notes to approach at 10x speed.
you would think that they would keep all the internal calculations in one language and just apply the translator at the end to the text that gets shown to the player
Nevereverland is my favorite cover ingame and it was so funny that I can't even pass it on bugged Easy, it's that hard
No wonder pjseka took off lol
12:32 Yeah, that's me. The reason I have that score is the same bug that someone commented. I live in Argentina, many spanish speaking countries use the Comma as a decimal mark, except some in North and Central America, like Mexico, that use the Point instead.
@@crabulon_the_perfect_one they do -- the issue is with standard library functions for e.g. parsing a string to a floating-point number are locale-sensitive -- on EN the string "206.5" becomes the number 206.5, but on a locale that uses , for decimal separation it becomes the number 2065. normally you're supposed to also give those functions a fixed locale if you're parsing something other than user input, but sometimes people forget or don't know you have to do that.
What a sad event to what happened to this game. Back in 2005-2009 here in the Philippines this game was at its peak and there were so many pro players around and I could just play the game all day long with someone always there to play among the main servers (Kalliope, Euta, Kleo). I ranked 2nd in one of the regional tournaments and that defined my teenage years. The main downfall of the game was literally the company that ran it and failed to understand the needs of its users. They implemented subscriptions (O2KR) and micro transactions before they were a thing which turned off most, but that really didn't matter back in the day even if I spent all my lunch money on it because buying the in game items was really nice as well the songs. In the later stages of running the game they failed to give direction to the game by failing to give what the users want relative to what the prices they were charging the in-game transactions for, along with the random hacking occurring in-game, Korean exclusivity, as well as different companies holding the IP until it went down to the ground in 2012. What a mess. They should have released the ORIGINAL default 7 key game as a steam release and it might have thrived because the PC gaming platform is what it is now. And now DJMRV has stole that crown of the rhythm game with the best 'feeling' on the notes, having several battle passes which O2JAM would have ultimately had, as well as new songs and skins released at every cycle. Osu mania, although having the same concept also doesn't have that rhythmic feel of the original game and the feel of the notes are somewhat bland, probably due to the way it was programmed. I now rank 30k in the game and it gets really boring easily. Its really sad because the original gameplay was really unlike any other rhythm game; the notes were well timed to the beat and the songs were really fantastic to play on, also being made by actual artists dedicated to the game like SHK, KAZE, Beautiful Day, etc. The other VSRG's at the time could not even compare to the feel of the original O2jam game that was why it was so popular. My only loving memory of the game is that I keep an old offline Windows PC running windows vista wherein I run the much better and more accurate emulator called O2china and have all my songs loaded and play the game to my hearts content on some days.
IF they ever want people to play the game, they should release the ORIGINAL 7KEY DESIGN of the game, ALONG WITH THE EXACT PLAYABILITY it had back in the day no more no less. Because people from back then will ultimately remember what a great game it was, that was why O2Int thrived, and not the crap we are seeing that was released just now. They can charge for all the micro transactions they want, but if it is unlike the original game, it will never click.
BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL O2JAM!
As a person who hasn't even heard of this franchise until this vid, BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL O2JAM!
Yeah BRING BACK THE ORIGINAL O2JAM 😠 i want see notes falling not coming at my face
I’m loving the new editing style
I know right?! I love the effort for this editing.
too bad she won't edit like this again in the future but that only means we should do our best to share this video 😀👍
@@shironium why? Is this only a one off thing or something?
@@arcueid3352 it's mentioned on the pinned comment, but it took her too long to finish the video due to the style of editing. a shame, IMO the effort was paid off but yeah if every video she did would take months to do I can see why she'd rather a simpler editing style
@@tuturtley damn, yeah it's a shame
my uncle actually used to play o2jam, back in the philippines a few years before i was born (im only 13, almost 14), he used to go to a computer store, and while there he got made fun of by some people for not playing o2jam (presumably they were playing on the stores computers), so he went ahead and downloaded the game, and began playing, ended up becoming one of the best in that area, of course it has been like 16 years for him so some parts might seem fuzzy, i let him play again after i went ahead and downloaded o2mania and all the songs, and due to the extremely long period of not playing, he obviously wasn't all too skilled, but could still play a bit higher than me, for a bit he did play on my computer to play o2mania, with permission of course and i went upstairs and he was playing, and i watched, i remember he also asked if he could play after i was done doing something, and he also played at night like once, after he got back from like the casino, i remember i made a full notepad guiding him to the file. this was only in like 2022 when he started playing for a bit.
edit: edited to be more clear.
The KSSN thing wasn't just an O2Jam thing, it was a thing back then for Korea Maplestory (which was already IP blocked) and when people found a way to bypass it, you now must have a Korean phone number to register which is tied to your license and personal identification. Basically they just wanted the servers exclusively for their own people, and I guess games without enough an audience just died out
it wasn't because people found a way to bypass it; it was because using the RRN for services like these were OUTLAWED in 2012.
Sucks when games region lock to go this hard from regions from interacting with each other. Fighting games know this far too common with no crossplay & rollback = dead game in months.
Unsure china is like this but wouldn't pass it by them, but i can just feel the pain from the players having game after game die out.
@@M4TTYN Region locking is the scourge of media everywhere. It’s like the ghost of xenophobia casting a curse on your game consoles or DVDs. There’s quite literally no good reason for region locking, it’s always a polite “fuck you” to foreign audiences.
@@M4TTYNChina is exactly like this, you need a Chinese Social security number to play Crossfire China
@@PanzerTruck yeah the same thing happened with pvz2 chinese which sucks considering it’s just a better game than the international version lol
2:01 Futaba from Persona 5
5:07 voice font of Sans from Undertale
15:57 Hope’s Peak Academy from Danganronpa
Almost all my favorite series in one video followuped lol
also my favorite series ever appeared: bloom into you (yagate Kimi ni naru)
I would totally be okay with the history section being longer. I love that sort of stuff, rhythm game history is super interesting to me
This is the most impressive video edit you have ever done - well done, seriously. I don't even want to think about the amount of edits this went through. O2 Jam has some bangers, not gonna lie...
I nearly got a heart attack after you said that they are going to have a switch port
Touhou image popups
Sagume 4:16
Nue 9:51
Sagume 10:44
Flandre 11:49
Seija 13:04
Flandre 15:06
Based image decisions
Thanks
I respect and fear you
Its funnier if you translate it
Nice, fellow Touhou fans
@@kisamebalusong4980 average Touhou player honestly, do not fear
I've never heard of this game in my life but the video is so entertaining I basically got force fed information about a korean rythm game while I was occupied laughing with the edits.
Lmao same, recommendations are getting wild lately :D
hope this isn't going to be the end of beloved franchise
I missed you Tokaku, I’m glad you poured the time into editing this. It’s really good.
The editing and comedy you had on telling us the story of this what I can so generously call "A corpse so defiled even god dosent know what they originally were" travesty of a game series was so much fun ^^ thanks for suffering the horrors of O2Jam for our amusement
Hey thanks for using my video at 3:05 for maplestory. Pretty cool u used that out of everything thats out there.
I’m enjoying all the yuri panels She is sneaking into these videos
ME TOO!!! lesbians for the win
I noticed that. i kept recognizing the series and was like are they all yuri? heck there are some pretty obscure series there (i think the most obscure i recognized was Please Bully Me Miss Villainess)
@@10001vader Murcielago as well
Someone needs to list as many of the mangas in the video as possible we need them
YESS omg first thing i noticed and im screaming
Jesus christ...how did you even get so much footage from so long ago to make this video? That's amazing...as an old o2jam player much respect to you, I can't even get my head around how you were able to gather so much footage from that far back to make this video. Amazing job, this is like an o2jam documentary the way you shared so much information about the history of o2jam and you help bring things like o2 mania and dj max to a much bigger audience.
Thank you for the mention! ♥️
Even tho I barely provided help with the game's info 🗿
15:19 isn't that literally illegal since it claims to be a monthly subscription but then bills you daily
This is so sad. The original O2Jam (the one from the 2000's that ran in a 640x480 resolution on windows XP) was the game that got me into rhythm games and probably the only rhythm game I actually took relatively seriously (as in, wrist injuring level).
Interesting to note that even though the official game died more than a decade ago, private servers are still going strong (or they were before the C&D stuff). So many of the insane top 7k vsrg players come from o2jam!
12:48 "Is it supposed to be clapping? It sounds like a transformer having an orgasm" © Vinesauce
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
The editing on this one is wild lmao. I knew nothing about O2Jam coming into this video and now I know how wild it all is.
Me omw to watch a 20 minute video essay on something I literally never cared or heard about until this point
Damn, O2Jam. What a throwback. My now dead uncle played that a lot when it was very famous. Kinda suprised why it disappeared but this explains it properly. Well done.
12:00 it's like they added the Bluetooth lag without the use of Bluetooth
O2Jam, Audition and IMVU are like the 3 games couples used to play whenever I go to computer shops back then. Good old days
12:40 oh yeah this also happened in pjsekai where the bgm use dots for demicals but some phone uses comma instead of dots so it kinda stops working entirely
The moment I realize I read too much yuri manga that I recognize all the yuri panel in the video...
As a lesbian can also confirm i noticed most of these lol
do you know the one at 7:24 ?
Fuck watching this video broke my heart. O2Jam is one of the first online game i played back in 2000s here in Indonesia. It is my beloved childhood game that i still played last year via O2Mania.
Knowing their situation really makes me sad. I still remember back then there's no Guild system on the game itself but people making their own Guild on O2Jam forum and from there friendships and rivalries formed. I remember 1 times playing on O2Jam competition and just get demolished because i brought wrong keyboard that i can't press 7 buttons at the same time lol.
I really got so many good memories from this game. I'm sure hope someday we'll got a good official O2Jam server running. Not some cash grabs like it now.
Cheers, Luxoria from Indonesian server back then.
Praying for this video's success so that we can get edited videos like this for the future🙏
My introduction to O2Jam was just some of the mobile ports, I never knew about the original. But now there’s all these songs I know and love and wanna play, but can’t unless I pay up smh
I haven't seen your channel before because I'm not the biggest on rhythm games (aka: I suck at all of them except Hi-Fi Rush haha), but I really loved this video, the way you presented the history of these games was super interested and well scripted and edited!!
All the stuff that happened to O2Jam jumping publishers and getting greedier rereleases over time rings familiar for me as someone who used to play tons of Korean MMOs back in the day, it seems to be quite a common thing in the Korean games industry.
Thank u for the excellent video tokaku
I am ABSOLUTELY noticing how much effort you put into the editing on this one, it was amazing and hilarious
I really love all the research and work you put into this video! You definitely deserve more for this
"But what if I told you it gets worse"
*LoL ad starts playing*
Dear god
I loved the amount of Touhou, Fire Emblem, and BTR! references in this video, 10/10 as always
As a Touhou player, the Touhou images in this video caught me off guard.
I have 0 interest in rhythm games so I have no idea why I clicked on it.
me 15:30 later: oh god, how does it get worse?
I used to play O2Jam for a long time ever since it came here in Malaysia. I loved the soundtrack and the community I was part of, both online and offline. It's sad to see how its full history turned out to be till now. I've already said my piece in my Steam review but I'll say it again: Please pack your bags and move to other rhythm games that do a much better job as this; such as DJMAX, SDVX, Arcaea, etc.
On a side note, I think when the original developers (O2Media) sold out the game, they went on to make Krazy Rain. Needless to say; that game, too, is long gone in a similar fashion. I have no idea what happened to it or its history.
i remember your ign i used to play with you in o2v3 or angeljam
I'm a 31 yo Malaysian and I used to play O2jam so much back in the early 2000s. I remembered that this is the first game where I used real money on as some of the better songs were locked behind a paywall. I was still a kid and my asian parents would kill me if they knew I was using using my money to buy games so I snuck out of the house on my bike to the nearest 7-Eleven to buy those game cards which contains the currency to buy the songs in-game. I remembered the main songs I wanted to play were Identity and Identity part 2. So much nostalgia. Now I just settle with DJMax Respect V, though the tracks are still nowhere as good as the original O2jam
17:00 >$3.5bn valuation
>$10.8m annual revenue
Please make it make sense
>1:03
Did you really think you were going to slip a Septette for the Dead Princess by me?! I receive neuron activation after only 4 notes!
This is my first video to the channel and cute Singaporean accents with rhythm games is a hell of a combo and I’m here for it. I’d heard about the o2 drama but never had the context so this was fun.
However with a rhythm channel and Touhou references under your belt I can’t help but notice you haven’t played Yoiyami Dancers yet and I regret to inform you that is /actually illegal/. Please rectify this serious state of affairs at once lest the yamaxanadu send you to gensojail.
It’s a hard game and it definitely combines a rhythm movement a la crypt of the necrodancer and a danmaku but once you get the timing of a level and manage to dodge to the beat and get a good full level combo it feels so good. Also it’s wonderfully cute. You should check it out!
Recommendation works well today because it gifted me this gem. Editing is fun, voice is nice to hear, video isn't boring at all.
Overall I am glad that I found this channel and this video. Looking forward to seeing more content from you :D
Thank you for enlighting me on the matter. As a former O2Jam player who switched to Osu! Mania when times were dire, I heard the name O2Jam Online and was filled with hope, which now turned back into despair. O2Jam fanbase just cant catch a break.
I guess it's back to Osu! Mania then...
Who could’ve guessed that big companies keep releasing piss poor products because they keep being paid to do so… at least we have small/indie studios releasing quality games for us to play
in the future we will communicate using only anime meme images
It's kinda sad how bad the so called "O2Jam Online" by VALOFE. Even further how badly it is treated toward people's who actually love the old O2Jam who try to maintain those private server for years now by making them shutdown the server. How in the world even they get a hold O2Jam in first place just plain suck but I guess business is business after all. Wish there will be one day when there's an actual remake of O2Jam Online on PC version that actually inspired well as how it was while using modern game engine by standard nowadays or even better a game that actually not o2jam but much better while holding those elements make o2jam what it was in past which actually do better job making such game. Oh well.
Good video btw. Very well constructed information so far. I enjoyed it so far :)
i did NOT expect the o2jam UI closing in on the video @ 6:35, if i was alone right now i would've let out the most disgusting cackle ever 😭
as a seo taiji fan who played o2jam, he didn't got actually paid anymore because the servers closed back in 2009 and the revenue he was about to get was pretty big and it's a shame considering the fact that if it wasn't him kpop wouldn't be as he is the godfather of kpop
@11:58
Never in my *life* has the desync between the chart and the actual music hurt me on such a physical level
14:21 for me that was a total spit-take, i was not expecting a amphibia clip in a vid like this
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@@rubiks_20 was that a joke or are you mocking me
This is one hell of a history to a game. I dunno if it's the craziest story out there but my goodness. I especially lost it at O2Mania's update just a year later. The dev of that program trolled that game's devs hard.
The mascot of the new O2JAM looks like a cheap copy of the mascot from Hachi Hachi. God, I miss that game.
As a former player of that game, I agree. She looks too similar to Hachiko (Hachi mascot).
The real gem of this video was "the ceo likes his own posts on LinkedIn"
wow this editing is crazy i love it
lol wtf that pic of please bully me villainess made me do a double take like three times
Overwatch 2 : finally, a worthy opponent, our battle WILL BE LEGENDARY
Music game veteran here. I got this game during early access on Steam and it was my fastest refund I've ever made.
And on another note: These subscription models are absolutely toxic. I prefer DLC packs. Even worse if you have to buy songs AND sub. What kinda BS is that (I'm looking at you Konami)
I think this video is proof that any topic no matter how obscure or niche can be extremely entertaining to watch with enough ADHD editing for satisfying the most Adderall deficient children. Jokes aside, absolutely amazing video and the editing is superb. I'm definitely looking forward to more videos from you.
This is gold, there was a time where videos on UA-cam use this kind of editing format. Nowadays it's mostly reaction thingy video that rarely brings any value to the original content.
2:54 is an error:
It shows a DJ Max Online Vol 2 picture
not a O2JAM picture
whoops, a bad mistake from my part. Sorry!
Isnt this ez2on though?
@@tail004 Nope because in the picture, you can see "DJ points" and the layout is very similar to DJ Max Online
This game looks like upper management said “we’re publishing tomorrow” in the middle of development.
I've never seen so many references to yuri manga characters in one video. Also I love the new style of editing in this video, certainly entertaining to watch.
>Difficulty inflation.
In other games, we call that powercreep.
14:47 would be hilarious if it was Bad to the bone's guitar
I had always been curious about O2Jam, after seeing it mentioned by old players and seeing its songs in HIGH5 and PIU.
After reading about it on namuwiki (with Google translate to Japanese), I concluded that the best way to experience O2Jam songs is to play them on other Korean music games.
I gotta say when I found out about the billing part of the debacle my jaw visibly dropped like WHO MESSED UP THE BILLING CYCLES
I need to know where the clip at 17:10 is from
i was so excited for this to hit steam but as soon as it released i was like NOPE. there's just better options now. though i do wish some company would release a rhythm game with fun avatars to collect clothes and stuff for, i just LOVE that shit and miss it.
I can't even begin to IMAGINE how long this took to edit, like this is like 3 steps above my editing considering you photoshopped a bunch of anime girl OCs to put on top of the video.
Also, the Yuki Nagato typing edit made me subscribe, you have great taste. :)
Primo manga selections, anyone who reps Murcielago, Suzuki Senpai, and Bloom into You in the same video is a winner in my book.
I lob bloom into you
"take an IP that everyone loved... Then shit on it hard." Seeing flatout 3 up there really confirms this statement as a fact.
That's another video in the bag for "thing I had no idea existed and now know a substantial amount about"
As a big FE fan it was an experience seeing it appear all throughout the video of an unrelated topic but simply not being acknowledged by the voiceover at all
As someone who plays 5k with SD JKL I felt attacked at 13:10
1.2 gigabytes to paint the middle key yellow in mspaint, truly the absolute peak of chinese game design
Loved the editing lol
And as as a touhou fan i can feel for decades long games that was a huge relevant at the time
I'ved played o2jam since the beginning and there's one thing you might've missed there was a very big exploit back then, you can buy the egames shirt cosmetic for 20 game currency sell it back for 20,000 and you can have infinite amount of in game currency which you can buy songs and very expensive cosmetics that are on par with cash ones iirc that caused the cash items worthless and it was never fixed for a long time. After that the game shut down. It happened in the philippines idk about the other servers.
2:33 what's this?
The algorithm blessed me with this video and your pleasant accent. Interesting video. Love watching videos about old and obscure games.
I would LOVE some more "history of rhythm game" content from you! This was great, thanks!
Hey, I really really appreciate you adding subtitles to your video, genuinely
So glad this was recommended to me.
Your editing and taste is godlike and your voice is comfy.
Please keep doing more
i actually got up in shock when you said they charge you every DAY
Does anyone know the song at 17:22 ? It's so familiar but I can't place it :(
its grasswalk from pvz
12:18: Sauce?
Hibike Euphonium
Is that an image from 100-nichi Go ni ××× suru Onna Shachou to Shinyuu Shain at 0:36? Never thought to see that in the wild. I commend the culture.
Edit:
3:33 is also Please Bully Me, Miss Villainess!
9:04 is Koushin Koinu ni Koibumi wo
9:22 Whispering You a Love Song(?)
loving the not as popular Yuri manga inserts.
Many more but I need to actually watch the video.
OW2 exist now
The cover girl looks a lot like Princess Hachiko from Hachi Hachi.
Man I miss that game...
I have absolutely no knowledge of like 90% of this but it was entertaining enough to watch through.
I played few rhythm games for many years but not O2Jam because on its peak I was more into IDate that time.
However, I was actually waiting for the steam when this was about to release but then seeing the reviews it kills my motivation to even install it.
Seeing the history on this video makes me sad... Super sad for some reason. Great video btw *subscribed
Now I think about it, the Thumbnail which is the new O2Jam anime figure is what makes me sad I guess, that smile is like masking pain and failure.
12:43 I died laughing at how horrible it was 🤣
The algorithm recommended your channel to me and I dont even wstch rhythm game stuff but yours seemed interesting.I enjoyed the editing style of this video and have not seen any of your other content but if you continue on this path you will have success.