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Do you know if this works for Apple Music? I don’t care to preload music onto the Garmin watch, I just want to be able to skip ahead or replay a track that is playing on my iPhone through Apple Music.
@@druidmfkr2657 I got the 955 Forerunner and I don’t think it does what I’m asking. It seems to be completely incompatible with Apple Music, and it requires preloading any music in order to control it. I want to be able to use the watch to control the music playing from my iPhone, and that doesn’t seem to be possible, regardless of what music app I’m using on the phone.
Last weekend I went hiking on a volcano with my son. As the evening approached, a heavy fog rolled in, and I could literally only see one meter ahead. I'm not sure if I would have been able to find my way back, but fortunately, I used the option to return to the starting point. It was reassuring to have topographic maps, a bright screen, excellent GPS (multiband), and, above all, a battery that wouldn't leave me stranded during the hike. I know that Fenix or Epix are more suitable for this kind of activity, but to be honest, I think this watch does it all. The only difference is that it has a less robust body but is lighter and happy to have $500 saved in my wallet. Everyone weighs their priorities differently. Greetings and great video!
Best watch I’ve used for many years and I have used a lot (Fenix 7, 7 pro, Epix 2, Fenix 7x, Apex 2 pro, Pace 2, AWU, AW8) I don’t like texts, calls, notifications etc on my watches, just use purely for sports and wear daily. It’s pretty much perfect for me.
@@ShervinSharesI personally just prefer a featherweight watch :) Alex 2 pro was cool, and I miss that, and COROS lab. The screen on it needs some improvement.
@@chrisachristie You've used an impressive variety of watches :) Did you notice any meaningful quality differences in software between the Fenix/Epix lines and the 965? Thanks
I have both but rarely wear my Apple watch, just bought the Forerunner 965 after having the Epix Gen 2 and Enduro 2 and got it for £499, I run virtually every day and the Garmin just does a much better job for me.
I completely agree with you, I am on my second Garmin 7x. They charge you $270 to replace it after warranty is up. Only been two years! Need to take this into account when purchasing future Garmin Products.
One of the big differences between the 965 and the 265 is mapping - but you can easily add maps to the 265 with an app like Mappily for not very much money. Might be worth a look if you're on the fence about which to go for.
Good video, thank you! I would note too that Garmin watches hold up a LONG time!!! As do apple products, to be fair. (I'm an huge android fan!) In the last 10 plus years, I'm only on my 2nd garmin watch. I forgot the first model, but my 630 still lasts WEEKS without needing to be charged! I bought it refurbished. But, my work is offering a health incentive, so I can actually look at new watches. An HR wrist based watch with storage for music/audiobooks so I don't have to run with my phone, sounds great! Built in golf tracking. And a tracking map when I go hunting, so I don't get lost. I definitely think i'll go with the 965!!!
Hey Shervin, great video! Just wanted to mention that the track run mode on Garmin watches isn't based on maps. It "learns" the track after the first run. After the first run it should be an almost perfect oval.
I’ve spent TWO years trying to find “one watch to rule them all”. Truth is? There isn’t. Smartwatches that look cool don’t have the features I need and are CRAZY EXPENSIVE PLUS THEY have features that interrupt my workouts and training. And the ones that do EXACTLY what I need? Are style free, soulless and sterile pieces of plastic and silicone.
This right here. I agree wholeheartedly. Sorry to revive this post a year later, but I just wanted to reply. There isn't a "one watch to rule them all" sadly just like you said. You get either the style/smartfeatures, or you get the functionality (without style and features). You won't get both. Even if some smartwatches/fitness watches try to combine both, there are always limitations, or features are incomplete. I'm currently wearing some mid-price-range fitness tracker on my wrist which is good enough (but not great either), and I think I'll keep it that way. I can't really decide between Garmin and Apple/Samsung/etc. They all have pros and cons, and because of the CONS neither of them are really worth the money in my opinion. Besides, no matter what I would choose, if I'm going for a swim, I just don't want to have a 1000 dollar watch on my wrist (because I don't want to lose it in open water, nor do I want to lose it/drop it in an indoor pool, or have it break). It's just unnecessary in my opinion. When I work out, any item on my body should occupy the least amount of my thoughts (I shouldn't think of them at all, that's my approach), so I can just focus on the exercise properly. Having some 1k/800/600 brick on my wrist just isn't it. So with that in mind it's just better to have a very light (barely noticeable) mid-price-range fitness tracker on my wrist. It's not bad either. It's mid, and that's good enough. I don't care if it breaks, or I lose it. The functions are good enough, and precise enough. I can just replace it if need be. Besides, almost all fitness trackers out there have all the individual sports features (individual disciplines, heart rate monitoring, pace, gps, etc.). The only features you usually have on high-price models is mapping, and sequencing of disciplines (triathlon training for example: sequence 3 exercises in a row without breaks). Everything else is irrelevant. Also, I do like to separate "fitness" from "smartwatch/style" clearly. I do wear my fitness stuff when I work out (gym, running, cycling, swimming), but then I take off all those items and wear something else, or nothing on my wrists. I suppose everyone has their own approach to smartwatches, but to me it seems kind of silly to go for a swim with an Apple Watch Ultra...and then an hour later use that same watch as payment method (NFC) at a store. I don't think anyone actually does that. People just pay with their Phone, or still old school with cards or cash. It's just useless hype trying to get you hooked on a "smartwatch that does it all", which does not exist, or does things half-heartedly. To each their own though. People should just buy and wear what they like. That's understandable. At the end of the day, get something for your personal needs. I can say one thing clearly. One smartwatch is not better than any other objectively. They all have cons.
This….. just fucking THIS!!!! I love the Apple Watch because it fucking works but I hate the shape and that I have to charge it every night!! I love that Garmin is a circle watch and battery life is great but the app is absolutely Garbage….. no one wins
Liked the review…..one thing you should be aware of (more in terms of comparison than anything else) is there are countries such as her in Ireland where carriers don’t support e-SIM, so the advantages of the Apple Watch ultra fall away. You still need a phone with you for Cell service etc to respond to texts to download from Spotify. So when you take that away from the Apple Watch it becomes an average fitness watch with appalling battery life and the Garmin is streets ahead.
Stress and body battery scores are underrated features on the garmin watches. I hear a lot about the sleep scores as being important, which it is I suppose (although I don't use it), the body battery is very helpful info. The body battery is a by-product of all the other stuff I suppose.
Body Battery: I use it. 60+ years old, I’ve gotta watch energy output or risk ‘crashing’ when sleep isn’t good. Garmin’s sleep (and especially nap) tracking has come a long way since my previous running watch (Garmin 945 purchased 2019).
I’m between Forerunner 965 and a Fenix 7 Solar (or sapphire) I’m using it to trailrun/train/lift in prep for Spartan Beast as well as being able to know where I am miles wise when doing the beast. Also an avid backpacker but I already have an In Reach. Since you own both of these, which would you recommend I buy? Price wise, the 965 is only $200-300 cheaper. I don’t know if I’d be using all the other functions of the fenix but I do weightlifting religiously, so not sure if the activity tracking for fenix is better than the 965? In terms of looking at “life after” my spartan race
This dude runs with 10 watches on. My takeaway is to get 5 plus watches in order to get the best smartwatch experience and wear them all simultaneously lol.
Excellent video Shervin! As an AWU primary user, I actually just ordered a 965 a few days ago. It should be here next week. Love your insight because I think we’re on the same wavelength on all the topics. I’ve yet to purchase a Garmin that I’ve kept for longer than the return period (actually, I believe I kept and later sold the 945?). It always comes back to the AWU for me, but I’m an on-call nurse and dad so having LTE without my phone is crucial. I hate to say it but I’m already suspecting the 965 will go back. I’ll give it an honest try though!
Yeah well,if you do not keep the 965 (I think you will though), then maybe you should consider stopping this habit of ordering and sending back? I mean it would mean Garmin is just not for you (since the 965 is by far the best they can do), why keep wasting resources? I have it for 3 months btw and it's great. And I agree with the review.
For me the AWU or any AW with cellular is key. I never take my phone with me on runs or bike rides and I’ve been doing this for years. As Shervin shared (lol), the AW has usefulness after your workouts are done. Garmin/COROS - not so much.
If having LTE is 'crucial' for you, why did you buy it? And why did you keep buying and returning watches without it? Why don't you just get a watch with LTE and save yourself the effort?
Crucial may have been the wrong word. “Useful” would probably be better. And I’m not ruling out the possibility of keeping it specifically for longer runs, or training in general, and having my AWU be my “daily” driver. I think both serve a function with their strengths and weaknesses, and perhaps the best of both worlds is the way to go. In fact, that’s likely the outcome I’ll be looking at. Garmin and apple living in harmony!
I did the same and ordered 965 from Playbetter if I wanted to return it. As mentioned above, I am just going to keep it. I like Garmin Data better regarding cycling, hiking, stress, sleeping, and training readiness. But it can't replace the cell functions of AWU. I need to see every call/text coming throughout the day. Most days, I wear both watches, and I hate having to do that. I wish they could both merge into one.
Great "average fitness person" review! Thinking about the 965 for the screen. I don't do iron mans or ultra marathons, just gym and bike a little, and I have the forerunner 935 for the battery life, and dont use my apple watch (4) as its just one more thing to charge everyday. I would get apple watch ultra, but i always have my phone, so there's no benefit for me. Like your channel, keep up the good work!
And Garmin pay accepts Curve which can have any card and is free. Just get a free curve account and add it to your watch. And add any card you want to your curve account. Bit of a workaround but easy to do and you only have to do it once.
The body battery and stress monitoring features on Garmin are quite impressive. Stress monitoring, which utilizes Heart Rate Variability (HRV), enables you to understand many situations where you might not have realized your body was undergoing stress. With this information, you can take appropriate actions. Maybe I'm being overly dramatic, but I believe it's a life-changing feature. Garmin also has the Body Battery feature, which compiles all the data from the watch to give you a rough idea of your limits and the extent to which an event (like a workout or stress) impacts your body. It also helps you understand aspects like sleep debt, and more. On the other hand, Apple is quite limited in these respects. I say this after toy around with an Apple Watch Series 8. You'll need to use additional apps to achieve something similar, and as far as I can tell, the Apple Watch doesn't collect HRV data as frequently as Garmin does. Consequently, the stress monitoring feature will have far fewer data points on an Apple Watch than on a Garmin, which will lead to a less acture stress picture.
Fir music controls there is an automatic shortcut. Just hold the "down button". From there you can easily pause/play skip. An extra 2 clicks allows you to adjust volume.
funny how many people actually don't like loading mp3's onto their watch, I have the fitbit Ionic for this very reason that and the gps, maybe I am just old.. But I am looking at getting a Garmin since Fitbit recalled my watch. I don't wanna have to carry my phone while exercising, so having everything on the wrist is nice
You can just download your workout playlist then use a wireless earbud And most decent earbuds can skip songs etc It’s pretty much a perfect watch For sports (not smart watch )
I regularly use and look at the stats that Garmin provides. Those are the biggest reason I use it more than my Apple Watch Ultra. As well, you don't need to down load apps and pay for damn subscriptions to get the data that the device can provide.
Shervin, we KNOW you love that apple watch, but you keep getting really simple things wrong in these garmin reviews, show the love with some easy fixes. Stress and body battery are used to help determine your training readiness from Garmin, and the morning run down is part of that. Stress can also help peopel realize the things they do to hold back training (Drinking alcohol, eating too much, so on) as they will see the stress spike and it helps people learn what is bad for them. Body battery is a great indicator of sleep, stress, and readiness. Morning routine has rolled out to almost every garmin device, and is well recived, but you cna check the stats with garmin on that. These are also built in, you do not need a 3rd party app that you have ot pay for to track these things Smartwatch features: you can access the music by pressing a single button, bottom left and it will let you control volume and going back or forward. You can connect spotify and it will download a playlist, same thing apple offers for offline music on non LTE devices. for the dozenth time - Garmin pay is on there, it is contactless payments, I have an AMEX platinum and a Chase saphire card on there. it works anywhere Apple pay works. You got this, there are ways to fix every "problem" you have brought up, you talk about how you have ot optimize the apple watch to work best for you, same goes for any serious Garmin user. I have an apple watch Ultra and a Fenix 7x pro, I wear the Fenix full time, waiting for the apple watch OS10 update and possibly a new ultra that supports ant+, otherwise I can't take it seriously as a workout device for a cyclist.
Venu 3 or FR 965? For an intense 5 days a week, gym training & HIIT, 3 to 4 days a week cycling or swimming, and some cardio. Which out of these two is worth?
For sure Garmin is the best fit triathletes. I have the 935 and it’s been great. Could likely go for one of the less expensive models given most people use only a fraction of the functionality. I have an apple plus now, the visibility is great but the data views are poor and I prefer buttons vs the touch screen. I would not buy the apple if had it to do over.
He is great! The only true tester of HR and sleep stages out there. The 965 is pretty good, the Fenix 7 pro only a touch better. These are the two I am looking at.
8:00 I'd argue that the *first best* way of controlling your music while you're running is through buttons/sliders/whatever on your headphones. It's much more convenient to double press a button on my Shokz for next song or change the volume there than fiddling on my watch or even phone.
Awesome video as always . One question I have is you mention Apple Health is your main health app that catches all data , what if you do a run on Apple Watch do you some how get that loaded on Garmin Connect to keep your training status updated or your not to concerned with connect ? Thanks
Nice review, mainly for running. Thx. I wonder how do the swiming feature work? Don't 265 and 965 have similar sport profiles, both including swiming and both waterproof for 5ATM? I wonder why would 265 be mainly for running? I am planing to use the watch also for swiming in the sea. My main consern is therefore how salty water effects the watertightness of the watch. Thx again.
Just a correction with Iphone/Appe Watch aswell there is automatic uploads to Strava, there is no need to manually sync it ( probably an update as on when i am typing this comment :) )
I’m looking at either getting the Garmin fenix 6 pro or the forerunner 955. I want something that will be good for occasional backpacking with no service with a good battery life, but is also great for everyday wear and running with great navigation. Is the 955 good for all of these things or should I go with the fenix 6 pro?
Thank you so much for this... lots of my friends recommended the Forerunner 965 to me. However, my Apple Watch is still okay. I'm not a professional athlete, so the Apple Watch suffices for my needs. Just thinking about running a marathon, when it comes to battery life, I have to admit that the Apple Watch only lasts until 30 kilometers (while listening to music and podcasts).
First time watching your content - phenomenal review! Great job covering the features, and also adding your own commentary ("vibe", etc.). Thanks for the info!
Not correct about Apple workout app not uploading directly to Strava. The workout app will upload straight to Strava, you just hit save on the run in the Workout app and it uploads to Strava. Depending on whether u have cellular or not, it may need to be near your phone to do this though.
I wanted a Garmin because I have been using the Vivoactive 3 for a while. I went with the galaxy watch 5 and am missing the battery life but I love the other features of the watch 5. I may splurge for my birthday and get another Garmin anyway.
Interesting I have rarely ever had to manually import things into Strava from my Apple Watch Ultra. Workouts, runs, walks have always auto imported for me.
mostly do cycling and brisk walking, would this be a good watch? im torn between this and the instinct 2x. love the ruggedness and solar of instinct 2x, but I also love the features of 965
ZRL is just Tuesdays. Unfortunately/fortunately they are the biggest name in the game, so the best teams show up. There's a few other series/leagues happening, but not with the same team dynamics. One day, I'll have to jump in with you on the tiny races.
I brought this Garmin 965 in a yellow strap but I wished I got the top of the range Garmin Epix 51 Pro I do like the big size watches but at this time it was pass my budget will save up and get it sometime this year
965 is coming tomorrow, to potentially replace my coros apex 2. Biggest hope for the 965 is that you can read the bloody thing without 20/20 vision, or without carrying a microscope. Seriously, a big watch face and then most things are like a 2pt font, and 75% of the screen is just dark space, wth?
Does the watch have acrued time? So you get a break down of per mile also with the combined time of 2 miles, 3 miles, 4 miles to what ever distance u run.
My issue is how disconnected the Garmin ecosystem is. Some stuff you have to do on the watch, some in the mobile app and then some in the web app. Very annoying and Garmin DOES NOT listen to user’s requests. There are simple features, such as calendar updates, which have been requested for 5+ years and they just ignore us.
How would you compare this to the fenix 6s pro solar? I "upgraded" back in april to the fenix from the forerunner 935 and the battery life on the fenix is absolutely horrendous
Track mode on Apple watch is great in the US... nowhere near as accurate internationally. HRV, stress load are useful for multi-sport when you have to stack the workouts (8-12 workouts a week), not just running...
I’m not a runner at all, I’m doing cycling more and the usual things that humans do, between the newest Apple Watch series 9 that will be out, or a 265 that I think will fulfill my needs, what do I choose ? I have one shoot at this, I have a series 5 but it’s old, busted and the battery doesn’t hold me enough so that I can be stress free and just roll without caring about my Apple Watch, I have to change this year with one of the two So I take Apple Watch newer generation or I change course and take for the first time garmin 265 ? I’m afraid to be let down/ disappointed by garmin and wanting to get back to the Apple Watch … tough one for me
I had an Apple Watch for years. Still have the 7. Bought Garmin 265 for running and prep for half marathon. Love all the stats on it and it’s so light. Music etc is not as easy but I love it. I can’t quite give up the AW but don’t wear it half as much.
@@davidbell4949 thanks for your insight, however, If I take one of the two, it’s “forever” I can’t dwell in between apple or garmin, If I take garmin, I’ll ditch Apple Watch, But I guess that it tells me also that If I take garmin I’ll regret it somehow cause you’re attached to it too, I can relate about that cause I really love this Apple Watch Thank you ☺️
Just got the watch normally a just use strava on my iphone. Went on a 8mile run today but the watch was 2mins slower than my phone so baffled a bit to know whats more accurate.
I've come to a conclusion with Garmin. They are part-time watches. Good for one thing, with no esims they will always be second to Apple Watch and Galaxy Watches. From the Enduro2 1k to the 955 solar $500 no esims or true LTE they will never accommodate the every day common person. Loved the 955 solar and Instinct 2x solar but my GWpro5 always wins no matter how good the HR sensor is on Garmin's. MIP displays with true solar charge😍 is where it's at. Great review👍
It depends on your preferences. My top criteria is highly accurate HR tracking and sleep stages. With that in mind, the Samsung Galaxy watches, including the latest 6, especially the 6 Classic, are extremely poor. Some Garmins are good, not great. 965 is good in that regard, Fenix 7 pro a touch better.
@@ShervinSharesI don’t think you need to. It’s garmin’s answer to G-Shock.., but with a lot of garmin standard features.., the 2 is a big step up from the first iteration.., but I think the instinct 2 is not in your class of watch, for what you are doing.
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To control music on the Garmin you just long press the bottom left button. It's really easy and you don't have to mess with menus.
Never knew this 😂 had my forerunner 245 for almost a year too!
@@andrewzhang5345there is a reason that they put a music note symbol on that button.
Do you know if this works for Apple Music? I don’t care to preload music onto the Garmin watch, I just want to be able to skip ahead or replay a track that is playing on my iPhone through Apple Music.
yes it does. Onle long button press for the music menu, one short press to skip the song @@GFCoyleWVU
@@druidmfkr2657 I got the 955 Forerunner and I don’t think it does what I’m asking. It seems to be completely incompatible with Apple Music, and it requires preloading any music in order to control it. I want to be able to use the watch to control the music playing from my iPhone, and that doesn’t seem to be possible, regardless of what music app I’m using on the phone.
Last weekend I went hiking on a volcano with my son. As the evening approached, a heavy fog rolled in, and I could literally only see one meter ahead. I'm not sure if I would have been able to find my way back, but fortunately, I used the option to return to the starting point. It was reassuring to have topographic maps, a bright screen, excellent GPS (multiband), and, above all, a battery that wouldn't leave me stranded during the hike. I know that Fenix or Epix are more suitable for this kind of activity, but to be honest, I think this watch does it all. The only difference is that it has a less robust body but is lighter and happy to have $500 saved in my wallet. Everyone weighs their priorities differently. Greetings and great video!
Your story alone should be the marketing for this product. Sold!
@@GreenTacoma44 exactly!
Best watch I’ve used for many years and I have used a lot (Fenix 7, 7 pro, Epix 2, Fenix 7x, Apex 2 pro, Pace 2, AWU, AW8)
I don’t like texts, calls, notifications etc on my watches, just use purely for sports and wear daily.
It’s pretty much perfect for me.
better than the Epix 2 Pro series too?? i'm kind of in love with that one right now
@@ShervinSharesI personally just prefer a featherweight watch :)
Alex 2 pro was cool, and I miss that, and COROS lab. The screen on it needs some improvement.
@@chrisachristie You've used an impressive variety of watches :) Did you notice any meaningful quality differences in software between the Fenix/Epix lines and the 965? Thanks
@@ShervinShares I'm assuming the new interface from the 965 is going to be ported to the other lines eventually.
@@auricschiller Garmin actually came out and said it will not be ported over
I have both but rarely wear my Apple watch, just bought the Forerunner 965 after having the Epix Gen 2 and Enduro 2 and got it for £499, I run virtually every day and the Garmin just does a much better job for me.
@@TheHutchRuns epix or forerunner is better ?
@@karolinawozniak681 Forerunner for me but I’m not so bothered about battery life
During the day in bright sun where is the display better readable - FR965 or FR955?
I completely agree with you, I am on my second Garmin 7x. They charge you $270 to replace it after warranty is up. Only been two years! Need to take this into account when purchasing future Garmin Products.
As a soldier I love the body battery, its always hilarious when it reads zero and I've got 6 hours left on shift.
Yeah, that below 0 comes at the expense of the future Keegs8042😅
One of the big differences between the 965 and the 265 is mapping - but you can easily add maps to the 265 with an app like Mappily for not very much money. Might be worth a look if you're on the fence about which to go for.
If I don’t need mapping, do you think 265 is enough for me?
This tip is great.. probs saves me 150€
@@Mascha_Eleonora965 has a lot more memory
Thank you!
265 not touch screen though if I recall.
Good video, thank you! I would note too that Garmin watches hold up a LONG time!!! As do apple products, to be fair. (I'm an huge android fan!) In the last 10 plus years, I'm only on my 2nd garmin watch. I forgot the first model, but my 630 still lasts WEEKS without needing to be charged! I bought it refurbished. But, my work is offering a health incentive, so I can actually look at new watches. An HR wrist based watch with storage for music/audiobooks so I don't have to run with my phone, sounds great! Built in golf tracking. And a tracking map when I go hunting, so I don't get lost. I definitely think i'll go with the 965!!!
Hey Shervin, great video! Just wanted to mention that the track run mode on Garmin watches isn't based on maps. It "learns" the track after the first run. After the first run it should be an almost perfect oval.
I’ve spent TWO years trying to find “one watch to rule them all”. Truth is? There isn’t. Smartwatches that look cool don’t have the features I need and are CRAZY EXPENSIVE PLUS THEY have features that interrupt my workouts and training. And the ones that do EXACTLY what I need? Are style free, soulless and sterile pieces of plastic and silicone.
This right here. I agree wholeheartedly. Sorry to revive this post a year later, but I just wanted to reply. There isn't a "one watch to rule them all" sadly just like you said. You get either the style/smartfeatures, or you get the functionality (without style and features). You won't get both. Even if some smartwatches/fitness watches try to combine both, there are always limitations, or features are incomplete.
I'm currently wearing some mid-price-range fitness tracker on my wrist which is good enough (but not great either), and I think I'll keep it that way. I can't really decide between Garmin and Apple/Samsung/etc. They all have pros and cons, and because of the CONS neither of them are really worth the money in my opinion. Besides, no matter what I would choose, if I'm going for a swim, I just don't want to have a 1000 dollar watch on my wrist (because I don't want to lose it in open water, nor do I want to lose it/drop it in an indoor pool, or have it break). It's just unnecessary in my opinion. When I work out, any item on my body should occupy the least amount of my thoughts (I shouldn't think of them at all, that's my approach), so I can just focus on the exercise properly. Having some 1k/800/600 brick on my wrist just isn't it. So with that in mind it's just better to have a very light (barely noticeable) mid-price-range fitness tracker on my wrist. It's not bad either. It's mid, and that's good enough. I don't care if it breaks, or I lose it. The functions are good enough, and precise enough. I can just replace it if need be. Besides, almost all fitness trackers out there have all the individual sports features (individual disciplines, heart rate monitoring, pace, gps, etc.). The only features you usually have on high-price models is mapping, and sequencing of disciplines (triathlon training for example: sequence 3 exercises in a row without breaks). Everything else is irrelevant.
Also, I do like to separate "fitness" from "smartwatch/style" clearly. I do wear my fitness stuff when I work out (gym, running, cycling, swimming), but then I take off all those items and wear something else, or nothing on my wrists. I suppose everyone has their own approach to smartwatches, but to me it seems kind of silly to go for a swim with an Apple Watch Ultra...and then an hour later use that same watch as payment method (NFC) at a store. I don't think anyone actually does that. People just pay with their Phone, or still old school with cards or cash. It's just useless hype trying to get you hooked on a "smartwatch that does it all", which does not exist, or does things half-heartedly. To each their own though. People should just buy and wear what they like. That's understandable.
At the end of the day, get something for your personal needs. I can say one thing clearly. One smartwatch is not better than any other objectively. They all have cons.
This….. just fucking THIS!!!! I love the Apple Watch because it fucking works but I hate the shape and that I have to charge it every night!! I love that Garmin is a circle watch and battery life is great but the app is absolutely Garbage….. no one wins
Liked the review…..one thing you should be aware of (more in terms of comparison than anything else) is there are countries such as her in Ireland where carriers don’t support e-SIM, so the advantages of the Apple Watch ultra fall away. You still need a phone with you for Cell service etc to respond to texts to download from Spotify. So when you take that away from the Apple Watch it becomes an average fitness watch with appalling battery life and the Garmin is streets ahead.
Interesting! Thank you for letting me know
Stress and body battery scores are underrated features on the garmin watches. I hear a lot about the sleep scores as being important, which it is I suppose (although I don't use it), the body battery is very helpful info. The body battery is a by-product of all the other stuff I suppose.
I check the body battery all the time! Probably more than any other metric from the watch.
@@bikesandstufff what information do you gain from it? Like do you change what you have planed for the day based on the body battery?
This bloke needs more views. Production quality is always on point. Top G Level of video quality and interesting tests.
Body Battery: I use it. 60+ years old, I’ve gotta watch energy output or risk ‘crashing’ when sleep isn’t good. Garmin’s sleep (and especially nap) tracking has come a long way since my previous running watch (Garmin 945 purchased 2019).
I have been running for years and I finally have been looking for a high quality running watch. Thanks for the video bro! I am gonna order one now!
discovered your channel recently, I'm literally watching all your videos... such a great content!
Glad you like them! what do you want to see more of??
@@ShervinSharesHow to start running without ever doing it before?
@@ShervinShares your marathon training routine
I’m between Forerunner 965 and a Fenix 7 Solar (or sapphire)
I’m using it to trailrun/train/lift in prep for Spartan Beast as well as being able to know where I am miles wise when doing the beast. Also an avid backpacker but I already have an In Reach.
Since you own both of these, which would you recommend I buy? Price wise, the 965 is only $200-300 cheaper.
I don’t know if I’d be using all the other functions of the fenix but I do weightlifting religiously, so not sure if the activity tracking for fenix is better than the 965? In terms of looking at “life after” my spartan race
This dude runs with 10 watches on. My takeaway is to get 5 plus watches in order to get the best smartwatch experience and wear them all simultaneously lol.
I’m on the hunt for my first Garmin and have been doing research on several models. Appreciate your honest review!
Excellent video Shervin! As an AWU primary user, I actually just ordered a 965 a few days ago. It should be here next week. Love your insight because I think we’re on the same wavelength on all the topics. I’ve yet to purchase a Garmin that I’ve kept for longer than the return period (actually, I believe I kept and later sold the 945?).
It always comes back to the AWU for me, but I’m an on-call nurse and dad so having LTE without my phone is crucial. I hate to say it but I’m already suspecting the 965 will go back. I’ll give it an honest try though!
Yeah well,if you do not keep the 965 (I think you will though), then maybe you should consider stopping this habit of ordering and sending back? I mean it would mean Garmin is just not for you (since the 965 is by far the best they can do), why keep wasting resources? I have it for 3 months btw and it's great. And I agree with the review.
For me the AWU or any AW with cellular is key. I never take my phone with me on runs or bike rides and I’ve been doing this for years. As Shervin shared (lol), the AW has usefulness after your workouts are done. Garmin/COROS - not so much.
If having LTE is 'crucial' for you, why did you buy it? And why did you keep buying and returning watches without it? Why don't you just get a watch with LTE and save yourself the effort?
Crucial may have been the wrong word. “Useful” would probably be better. And I’m not ruling out the possibility of keeping it specifically for longer runs, or training in general, and having my AWU be my “daily” driver. I think both serve a function with their strengths and weaknesses, and perhaps the best of both worlds is the way to go.
In fact, that’s likely the outcome I’ll be looking at. Garmin and apple living in harmony!
I did the same and ordered 965 from Playbetter if I wanted to return it. As mentioned above, I am just going to keep it. I like Garmin Data better regarding cycling, hiking, stress, sleeping, and training readiness. But it can't replace the cell functions of AWU. I need to see every call/text coming throughout the day. Most days, I wear both watches, and I hate having to do that. I wish they could both merge into one.
Great "average fitness person" review! Thinking about the 965 for the screen. I don't do iron mans or ultra marathons, just gym and bike a little, and I have the forerunner 935 for the battery life, and dont use my apple watch (4) as its just one more thing to charge everyday. I would get apple watch ultra, but i always have my phone, so there's no benefit for me. Like your channel, keep up the good work!
And Garmin pay accepts Curve which can have any card and is free. Just get a free curve account and add it to your watch. And add any card you want to your curve account. Bit of a workaround but easy to do and you only have to do it once.
The body battery and stress monitoring features on Garmin are quite impressive.
Stress monitoring, which utilizes Heart Rate Variability (HRV), enables you to understand many situations where you might not have realized your body was undergoing stress. With this information, you can take appropriate actions. Maybe I'm being overly dramatic, but I believe it's a life-changing feature.
Garmin also has the Body Battery feature, which compiles all the data from the watch to give you a rough idea of your limits and the extent to which an event (like a workout or stress) impacts your body. It also helps you understand aspects like sleep debt, and more.
On the other hand, Apple is quite limited in these respects. I say this after toy around with an Apple Watch Series 8. You'll need to use additional apps to achieve something similar, and as far as I can tell, the Apple Watch doesn't collect HRV data as frequently as Garmin does. Consequently, the stress monitoring feature will have far fewer data points on an Apple Watch than on a Garmin, which will lead to a less acture stress picture.
Fir music controls there is an automatic shortcut. Just hold the "down button". From there you can easily pause/play skip. An extra 2 clicks allows you to adjust volume.
I like the body battery it's kinda nice to see the number and correlate it to how my day is. It's pretty accurate. But it's cool to see it.
funny how many people actually don't like loading mp3's onto their watch, I have the fitbit Ionic for this very reason that and the gps, maybe I am just old.. But I am looking at getting a Garmin since Fitbit recalled my watch. I don't wanna have to carry my phone while exercising, so having everything on the wrist is nice
just bought it and now sent it back - the price is insane should be half that cost
You can just download your workout playlist then use a wireless earbud
And most decent earbuds can skip songs etc
It’s pretty much a perfect watch
For sports (not smart watch )
During the day in bright sun where is the display better readable - FR965 or FR955?
I regularly use and look at the stats that Garmin provides. Those are the biggest reason I use it more than my Apple Watch Ultra. As well, you don't need to down load apps and pay for damn subscriptions to get the data that the device can provide.
“Frictionless “. Yep, certainly less friction. It’s why I bought the Apple, even though I wanted the Garmin.
Shervin, we KNOW you love that apple watch, but you keep getting really simple things wrong in these garmin reviews, show the love with some easy fixes.
Stress and body battery are used to help determine your training readiness from Garmin, and the morning run down is part of that. Stress can also help peopel realize the things they do to hold back training (Drinking alcohol, eating too much, so on) as they will see the stress spike and it helps people learn what is bad for them. Body battery is a great indicator of sleep, stress, and readiness. Morning routine has rolled out to almost every garmin device, and is well recived, but you cna check the stats with garmin on that. These are also built in, you do not need a 3rd party app that you have ot pay for to track these things
Smartwatch features: you can access the music by pressing a single button, bottom left and it will let you control volume and going back or forward. You can connect spotify and it will download a playlist, same thing apple offers for offline music on non LTE devices.
for the dozenth time - Garmin pay is on there, it is contactless payments, I have an AMEX platinum and a Chase saphire card on there. it works anywhere Apple pay works.
You got this, there are ways to fix every "problem" you have brought up, you talk about how you have ot optimize the apple watch to work best for you, same goes for any serious Garmin user.
I have an apple watch Ultra and a Fenix 7x pro, I wear the Fenix full time, waiting for the apple watch OS10 update and possibly a new ultra that supports ant+, otherwise I can't take it seriously as a workout device for a cyclist.
Thank you for all you do. Reviews are great, content is great. Keep it up.
Venu 3 or FR 965?
For an intense 5 days a week, gym training & HIIT,
3 to 4 days a week cycling or swimming,
and some cardio.
Which out of these two is worth?
Having a Forerunner 55 since 10 days I'm already watching the reviews of higher specs model and yours are very interesting
For sure Garmin is the best fit triathletes. I have the 935 and it’s been great. Could likely go for one of the less expensive models given most people use only a fraction of the functionality. I have an apple plus now, the visibility is great but the data views are poor and I prefer buttons vs the touch screen. I would not buy the apple if had it to do over.
Okay that top left segment indicator: next level!!
You can customize hotkeys to whatever you like, including music player. Super easy to do. Surpirse you did not mention that
Any negative experiences with the HR or sleep tracking? From The Quantified Scientist’s testing, they didn’t seem accurate
He is great! The only true tester of HR and sleep stages out there. The 965 is pretty good, the Fenix 7 pro only a touch better. These are the two I am looking at.
Im debating the 965 vs 265. Leaning towards the 965
Maps or no maps. Thats the diff.
Buy the 955 for the price of the 265. MIP is superior for fitness imo
Lol, I'm debating 965, 955, or 265. Amoled would be nice though.
@@SofaKingA don't get the 955. It's what I have , it's too thick
Plus I don't cafe for MIPS, and 965 has the same battery life anyways
8:00 I'd argue that the *first best* way of controlling your music while you're running is through buttons/sliders/whatever on your headphones. It's much more convenient to double press a button on my Shokz for next song or change the volume there than fiddling on my watch or even phone.
You should be at a million followers. Soon enough!
One day!! Thank you
Awesome video as always . One question I have is you mention Apple Health is your main health app that catches all data , what if you do a run on Apple Watch do you some how get that loaded on Garmin Connect to keep your training status updated or your not to concerned with connect ? Thanks
The 965 is totally worth it , I prefer it over the Ultra.
Dude i've literally never had to charge my 965 every 3-5 and I use it daily for running. Mine usually last for 13-16 days.
Nice review, mainly for running. Thx. I wonder how do the swiming feature work? Don't 265 and 965 have similar sport profiles, both including swiming and both waterproof for 5ATM? I wonder why would 265 be mainly for running? I am planing to use the watch also for swiming in the sea. My main consern is therefore how salty water effects the watertightness of the watch. Thx again.
Just a correction with Iphone/Appe Watch aswell there is automatic uploads to Strava, there is no need to manually sync it ( probably an update as on when i am typing this comment :) )
I use the body battery all the time. I find it pretty accurate.
I’m looking at either getting the Garmin fenix 6 pro or the forerunner 955. I want something that will be good for occasional backpacking with no service with a good battery life, but is also great for everyday wear and running with great navigation. Is the 955 good for all of these things or should I go with the fenix 6 pro?
Do you want to get it second hand ?
Thank you so much for this... lots of my friends recommended the Forerunner 965 to me. However, my Apple Watch is still okay. I'm not a professional athlete, so the Apple Watch suffices for my needs. Just thinking about running a marathon, when it comes to battery life, I have to admit that the Apple Watch only lasts until 30 kilometers (while listening to music and podcasts).
First time watching your content - phenomenal review! Great job covering the features, and also adding your own commentary ("vibe", etc.). Thanks for the info!
Nice video and analysis! Great job mate.
For someone already wearing a whoop .. what additional benefits would this Garmin provide?
Awesome review. Thank you. I will be purchasing the watch after this
Dope! Use my PlayBetter link in description!
How does the Forerunner series go? The higher the number the better the watch?
I was in the Apple shop the other day . Looked at the AWU whilst browsing and it’s no comparison to my Epix gen 2 sapphire.
Not correct about Apple workout app not uploading directly to Strava. The workout app will upload straight to Strava, you just hit save on the run in the Workout app and it uploads to Strava. Depending on whether u have cellular or not, it may need to be near your phone to do this though.
Would like to see your daily diet.
I wanted a Garmin because I have been using the Vivoactive 3 for a while. I went with the galaxy watch 5 and am missing the battery life but I love the other features of the watch 5. I may splurge for my birthday and get another Garmin anyway.
Interesting I have rarely ever had to manually import things into Strava from my Apple Watch Ultra. Workouts, runs, walks have always auto imported for me.
Great piece of advice in the conclude part of the video
mostly do cycling and brisk walking, would this be a good watch? im torn between this and the instinct 2x. love the ruggedness and solar of instinct 2x, but I also love the features of 965
ZRL is just Tuesdays. Unfortunately/fortunately they are the biggest name in the game, so the best teams show up. There's a few other series/leagues happening, but not with the same team dynamics. One day, I'll have to jump in with you on the tiny races.
Do u think the traning readiness and training effect worth it? If I do most workout inside gym should I get the venu 3 or 965?
It's not the best for weight training, it's been built around running and other kinds of cardio workouts. Stil, it's kind of nice to have.
Thankyou for these videos 👍
thank you for commenting!
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the goat comments!
I brought this Garmin 965 in a yellow strap but I wished I got the top of the range Garmin Epix 51 Pro I do like the big size watches but at this time it was pass my budget will save up and get it sometime this year
Really well done review :)
965 is coming tomorrow, to potentially replace my coros apex 2. Biggest hope for the 965 is that you can read the bloody thing without 20/20 vision, or without carrying a microscope. Seriously, a big watch face and then most things are like a 2pt font, and 75% of the screen is just dark space, wth?
I have an Apple Watch and it syncs automatically with Strava when I finish a run.
Does the watch have acrued time? So you get a break down of per mile also with the combined time of 2 miles, 3 miles, 4 miles to what ever distance u run.
If you hold the down button you can get to your music fast
yes! but volume control takes another press after that
You could even add that music page as a data page to use during your activity
I never have to go to my 965 for music volume, I handle that from the erabuds. (Beats Fit Pro). Also, next or previous song.
Is the screen not a gorilla glass?
My issue is how disconnected the Garmin ecosystem is. Some stuff you have to do on the watch, some in the mobile app and then some in the web app. Very annoying and Garmin DOES NOT listen to user’s requests. There are simple features, such as calendar updates, which have been requested for 5+ years and they just ignore us.
How would you compare this to the fenix 6s pro solar? I "upgraded" back in april to the fenix from the forerunner 935 and the battery life on the fenix is absolutely horrendous
Track mode on Apple watch is great in the US... nowhere near as accurate internationally.
HRV, stress load are useful for multi-sport when you have to stack the workouts (8-12 workouts a week), not just running...
I’m not a runner at all, I’m doing cycling more and the usual things that humans do, between the newest Apple Watch series 9 that will be out, or a 265 that I think will fulfill my needs, what do I choose ?
I have one shoot at this, I have a series 5 but it’s old, busted and the battery doesn’t hold me enough so that I can be stress free and just roll without caring about my Apple Watch,
I have to change this year with one of the two
So I take Apple Watch newer generation or I change course and take for the first time garmin 265 ?
I’m afraid to be let down/ disappointed by garmin and wanting to get back to the Apple Watch … tough one for me
I had an Apple Watch for years. Still have the 7. Bought Garmin 265 for running and prep for half marathon. Love all the stats on it and it’s so light. Music etc is not as easy but I love it. I can’t quite give up the AW but don’t wear it half as much.
@@davidbell4949 thanks for your insight, however, If I take one of the two, it’s “forever” I can’t dwell in between apple or garmin, If I take garmin, I’ll ditch Apple Watch,
But I guess that it tells me also that If I take garmin I’ll regret it somehow cause you’re attached to it too, I can relate about that cause I really love this Apple Watch
Thank you ☺️
@@Peter.Fields. I will have to choose one of them ! It’s too complicated otherwise
Hello guys. This 965 have spotify??
It’s great watch, I’m getting it, instead of another AW. Unfortunately it’s damn hard to get in UK, 600£, 3-5 WEEKS shipping time -.-
Oooooffff
@@ShervinShares exactly 😂 waiting for after the summer for it to be fair
Is it because UK is not part of EU? In Ireland we have this watch in each media-tech shop :O
I wanted the 965 then the Epix came out. That's what I went with.
Have you done a video of the epix 2 pro vs 965?
Curious what your experience is? Also if you could emphasise which model of the pro, 42vs47vs 51.
Have you ever tested the polar pacer pro? If so, what are your thoughts on it?
I ordered that watch and returned it. It’s a pile of sh!t for what they charge. It looks like a 20 year old watch with a tiny crappy display
Just got the watch normally a just use strava on my iphone. Went on a 8mile run today but the watch was 2mins slower than my phone so baffled a bit to know whats more accurate.
Guys price/quality the 265 is enought than 965?
will this watch work for a walker 80 miles + per week or is this watch just specifically for runners only?
It would be great for a long distance walker.
Please tell me i have ordered garmin 955 forerunner on Amazon. İs it good?
Awesome review!
If you hold down the bottom right button during a workout it takes you to the music settings. It’s not that hard.
Both 265 and 965 track triathlon and cloth does not dry better than silicone
Tenho p 735xt, e por enquanto está ótimo, tenho todas funções que preciso!
I've come to a conclusion with Garmin. They are part-time watches. Good for one thing, with no esims they will always be second to Apple Watch and Galaxy Watches. From the Enduro2 1k to the 955 solar $500 no esims or true LTE they will never accommodate the every day common person. Loved the 955 solar and Instinct 2x solar but my GWpro5 always wins no matter how good the HR sensor is on Garmin's. MIP displays with true solar charge😍 is where it's at. Great review👍
It depends on your preferences. My top criteria is highly accurate HR tracking and sleep stages. With that in mind, the Samsung Galaxy watches, including the latest 6, especially the 6 Classic, are extremely poor. Some Garmins are good, not great. 965 is good in that regard, Fenix 7 pro a touch better.
Maybe 4:27 the Garmin didn’t trace right because the rotation of the Earth? Idk just a thought
great another watch comparison review.
Apple fan boy for sureee 😂 no hate though
Have you tried the garmin instinct 2?
i have not! should I add it to the list of things to test?
@@ShervinSharesI don’t think you need to. It’s garmin’s answer to G-Shock.., but with a lot of garmin standard features.., the 2 is a big step up from the first iteration.., but I think the instinct 2 is not in your class of watch, for what you are doing.
You can turn training status off, when you’re not training so you don’t get those sad updates hahn
Hi, does anyone know if tha watch hace any sound when the notification arrive ?
Apple Watch Ultra is 2x the price and the series 9 is the same price as the garmin so it is not a insane amount for a watch given the features
How come a silicon band dry slower than a nylon one?
Nylon breathes a little. Allowing air in