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I almost COLLIDED with another aircraft at Sleap airfield | multi-camera
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2024
- I take my friend and BBC 5 live colleague for his first flight in a microlight. It turns out to me more eventful that either of us expected when we have a near miss with another aircraft just after leaving Sleap airfield, and then we see the Red Arrows on our way back to Barton.
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Another amazing video Rory. Love the openness in how you deal with issues so we can all learn from it. It’s been a real blessing to me as I’ve just completed my first solo in the euro star. Your videos are a real encouragement on my lessons.
Everyone at Otherton said to say hi.
Ps. The new camera angles are really good and more continuity. Thanks Rory.
Roger Clarke thanks Roger, that’s great you find the videos helpful. Sounds like you’re doing well with your training too. I must come back to Otherton and meet some of the guys, yourself included.
Another great video Rory... YEAH BABY 🤘🤘🤘
Keep em coming !!
ranbir singh ha ha - thank you! 👌👍
Another good one Rory and did think at one point we may see the 'bag' coming out. Your friend did well and nothing worse than motion sickness so hats off to him and he still seemed to enjoy the flight.
PieAlotflyer thank very much - glad you enjoyed it. I thought he might need the bag too - very impressed he didn’t!
Hi Rory, cracking video as always, living the dream - glad you're safe! I hope that your passenger wasn't put off going up again.
Always hard to out climb other aircraft in climb out situation (worse even with birds, they're hard to out climb anyway, should out manoeuvre and dive away from them if possible, and for me, once, a large scale model aircraft at my altitude!).
I remember on finals to a local grass strip, the local military base was in contact with us via RT and we were given a squawk code etc etc. Cloud was closing in, but we were landing, then unannounced, a flipping Herc appears out of the murk in front of us, about 100' clearance. The pillock! We were asked if we wanted to report a NM, but declined. A few years earlier, dad had taken a newbie up, all was good, same situation and ATC was all via local military - none transponder equipped - and a bunch of guys in red overalls went either side of him scared his passenger! Dangerous for multitude of reasons, inc jet wash. Again they were unannounced! ATC enquired if father wanted to report a NM? He declined. But it goes to show that it isn't always the amateurs that get it wrong, the military do too!
A couple of quick questions; Does the EV97 suffer a more bumpy ride than the C42s, due to being a low wing and all aluminum construction? Also I was always told to not taxi, land or T/O over the numbers, have you ever been told that too (I realise its always best to have more RW in front of you then behind)? The reason why I ask is that your airmanship always looks and sounds to be superb.
Thanks again Rory cracking open, honest video.
Great video Rory and instinctive action which made the situation safe. Nice to meet you after this flight too! 😃
Matt Howarth Thanks Matt, nice to meet you too. I’m sure we’ll speak again at Barton. 👍
Hello Rory! These videos just keep getting better and better.... thank you so much for the content whilst I’m training for my NPPL. You’ve also inspired me to actually make my own videos too - it’s a great thing to do as it can be seen as a portfolio or just something to look back on whilst other people can view what I’m doing. It’s great! I hope to see you at Gloucestershire airport one day
Flying with Dan nice one Dan, glad to hear you’re enjoy them! That’s cool you are learning and finding the filming of your own lessons useful. I will check out your channel. Rory
Rory On Air I’m really enjoying the videos Rory! Especially when I can link in with the things I’ve done in training to your videos. Also, that would be great, I’m only starting off so some things may seem a little unprofessional etc
Flying with Dan I’ve started following so I’ll have a look. 👍
Great decision making Rory! I think you've handled correctly by diverting with a descending right turn, this way you’ve cleared as fast as possible. Keep up the good work Rory!
Kevin Wolters thanks Kevin. We avoided a dangerous situation which is a win at the end of the day. Thanks for watching as always. 👍
Great vid n well done on you actions with that other aircraft, in my opinion your quick reaction save the day combined with your training, Its not easy to land or take off with other planes I the circuit great job n well spotted to your friend too :-)
Hello Rory. I was the pilot of DX routing Gloucestershire to Sleap on that date. I did a standard overhead join on the correct runway and crossed the reciprocal numbers overhead at 1000 QFE as described and I saw you depart whilst executing the join. What I was not expecting after departure was a turn back into the downwind on a departure, which is not a manoeuvre I have personally executed, always exiting the ATZ before continuing en-route. I am aware of the 'on the right, in the right' rule and was watching to see where you were heading after departure. As I realised you were in (or nearer than, due to noise abatement) the downwind leg I was heading for to join, I turned to the right to deconflict and join the downwind behind you. At virtually the same time you took your anti-collision avoidance turn and descent. As one of the comments stated, I think a call on joining the downwind after departure would have helped me understand your intentions and therefore given me more situational awareness and time to adjust my join to come in behind you. As you were unsure of whether I had seen you I agree your decision making was spot on in taking avoiding action just to be sure you were safe and I thanked you over the RT for that decision. From my viewpoint I should have perhaps taking earlier action to adjust course to come into the downwind behind you but I suspect the uncertainly of your intentions and my unfamiliarity with the action of an aircraft making a downwind join after take off for departure without that intention being called on the RT made me hesitate until I was sure of your course. We all learn from our accumulated experience and I agree that this was a learning experience in terms of joining downwind from both the overhead and after departure. As to right and wrong, 'there but for the grace of god go I'.
David Rickwood Hello David, thank you for watching and commenting - it’s really helpful to hear what it was like from your point of view. I have been taught that when you depart uncontrolled airfields you fly a circuit pattern and depart at the end of whichever leg is most appropriate to your onward course. In this case I was taking off South with the intention to fly North so I flew a left hand crosswind leg (all be it a short banking one due to noise abatement concerns) and then moved onto a downwind leg. I believe this is pretty standard practice (? others may have a view?) so I’m interested to hear that you fly the runway heading until you are outside the ATZ. That must be quite inconvenient when it’s in the wrong direction!? Anyway, you saw me around the same time I saw you which reassures me that we were very unlikely to have a collision as we were both making avoidance manoeuvres. I accept a position report may have been helpful, especially as I was flying a tight circuit and I’ll keep this in mind for next time. You confirming you had me visual ahead at low level was helpful after I lost sight of you in the avoidance turn so thank you again for that. As you say, we all learn from things like this and I appreciate you taking part in this video by responding here. I’ll buy you a tea if we meet at another airfield sometime! All the best, Rory.
How very British Rory! A cup of tea 😂. A pint more like. I love the fact that you both can have the discussion on your viewpoints on what happened on the day. Each other’s perspective is great for others to read and learn by. Keep up the good work. All the best.
Andy182w thanks Andy. A full debrief video coming soon!
@ David You say you were not expecting a departing aircraft to go downwind? I find that a bit wierd. Up to half the traffic at most small UK airfields do a circuit after take off (for practise or training) so are highly likely to go downwind.
Cylindrical _ yeah, I think there are various ways that work but it was a good learning experience for me. Thanks for watching!
Another very interesting video Rory. Wow! That must have been a bit scary! I don't yet know enough about it to comment on the rights and wrongs of the position of both aircraft and the avoiding actions taken but well done to both pilots I'd say. Interesting conversation between you and the other pilot. I won't try to pretend I fully understood it all but I did get the basics. Well done to your mate btw. He must have eyes like a hawk.
Ian Livsey cheers, Ian. I’m glad you enjoyed it. I was very pleased to hear from the other pilot and I’m happy about the outcome so winner all round I say.
I would of said sorry, bloody hell well spotted on the aircraft in the sky, it's hard to find sometimes, great video again Rory :)
Thanks for your comment.
We learn (from experience) that anything can happen in the circuit, Rory. You avoided the other traffic and so it was a successful manoeuvre.
You just have to listen carefully keep your eyes open, which you did. Well done! 👍
Kevin Chilton Thanks Kevin. Much appreciated as always. As you say, a good learning experience.
I like the way you both try to appear unshaken by all that happened!
JohnRoss Scott ha ha - well I didn’t want to unnerve my passenger by appearing concerned and I think Jolon was just trying not to feel Air sick but yeah, you gotta stay cool!
Hi Rory, difficult at first from the video to see how the near miss occurred (and maybe a diagram may have helped to explain it to your viewers), but from your comments I understand that the other aircraft was crossing over the active centre line from deadside to live side when you wanted to fly perpendicular to him on the extended centreline. The same has happened to me at Popham where they have a lower 800’ circuit.
In a Microlight we have to be especially careful of that happening as we can climb so fast (compared to GA) and can easily reach circuit height before the end of the runway is reached. I was taught to not climb too quickly, especially if there is other traffic in the circuit- take a long slower climb so you are well outside of the circuit pattern before reaching circuit height.
Hope this helps, and well done for the avoiding action
Geoffrey Coan Hi Geoffrey, thanks for the comment. You’re right about the other aircrafts position and I should have included a diagram, I’m annoyed at myself for not doing so now. In this case my tighter than usual turn from take off to crosswind and then almost immediately onto downwind was driven by the need to
Avoid noise abatement areas white trying to avoid flying unnecessarily far south when my route home with a potentially Air sick pax was North. I think both myself and the other pilot were doing our own manoeuvres correctly but I believe he should have given way to me and manoeuvred behind me, which given my right circuit wouldn’t have been much of a detour - but that’s just my opinion.
Great video, really enjoyed watching , well done with the near miss ( from a non pilot ) looking forward to watching all your videos, all the best !
Chris Millington thanks very much Chris. I hope you enjoy my other videos and do consider subscribing if you do! 👍
@@RoryOnAir Already subbed thanks !
Great film, many thanks. It is perhaps difficult to see very clearly due to the nature of the wide angle lens, but for my money in the time you had available, you made a correct instinctive turn away and descending away from the conflict. These things happen very fast and you sometimes must act by reflex and instinct. As I say though, not completely seen as you no doubt viewed it, due to the camera position and lens, but the most important factors are, 1. Everybody lived to tell the tale.
2. You had enough altitude to make a descending turn away from the traffic without compromising safety any further.
3. Your excellent spotter was more than vital in the time frame available in getting the avoiding action underway. Never underestimate the power and importance of having your passengers keep a look out and always brief them to call a spot and keep them engaged in the flying. He was excellent in picking up other traffic too and that is a huge help at busy times.
Safe flying and look forward to more adventures!
Lawrence Martin great analysis thanks Lawrence. I brief all my passengers before we set off about safety, egress, harness, lookout, when to be quiet etc. Jolon was very good at the lookout and it was a huge help.
I enjoyed that and it was very well put together. Maybe you should have turned the other way but what was really good was you made a decision and took action very quickly indeed. 👍
Thank you. I’m just happy the outcome was safe.
Another great video Rory, I've uploaded a few videos of myself flying and would love to fly with you one day too. You're a great pilot and always entertaining.
Fly with Rich thanks very much Rich. I will check out your channel too. I hope we meet at an airfield sometime.
Ahhh look it’s my aircraft, ‘Tiffy’, in the background at the start! Another great video. Thought you handled the “close encounter” well enough, you made sure you avoided a collision with positive action and then communicated.
I’d have been tempted to extend the climb out, as I was taught not to start a turn if reported traffic was not sighted.... but then you can only extend so far before you leave the ATZ. Tough call!
Steve Middleton Hey mate, yeah I was keeping my circuit tighter than usual due to noise abatement concerns. If I had headed further south before turning left that would have helped I guess.
Good to see your very sharp reaction time, most impressed :-)
Drew O’roirden thanks very much Drew!
I think you did the right thing avoiding the other plane. Kudos to your friend in Spotting the traffic. I had a close call a long time ago. My instructor and I were off to practice some cross wind landings but he wasn't keen on using the radios. I listened as Approach was talking to an aircraft come in our direction decending as we were climbing and at the last minute we saw each other and we both cranked to the left. Regs say to turn to the right but had we done that it would have been messy. I was close enough to see his mustache. I'm pilot in command so I did what was necessary to avoid a mid-air. My instructor said "your supposed to turn right." Fly safe.
Gary Dell blimey, I hope you discontinued working with that instructor? Glad it went ok for you. Sounds like you made a good decision very quickly when it should have been made by your instructor really.
wow wow wow although i cant see them the red arrows and very well plane spotting
Great video Rory! So are you just starting downwind leg and he’s coming across to join cross wind? Looking forward to a bonus mini ep on a debrief with biro scribbled diagrams!! Ha. That’s what I want anyway 😂 awesome to highlight this - really shows the importance of lookout particularly in the circuit. Keep it up !
Ben Atkinson Cheers Ben. I had just turned onto downwind and as far as I can tell he was crossing the upwind numbers at 1000 as you would during a standard overhead join. I might have to do a diagram debrief on the end of my next video! Cheers mate. 👍
@@RoryOnAir Yeah think he was in the wrong, the purpose of an overhead join, or any circuit join, is for you to slot in and give way to existing traffic in the circuit, not to just barrel in front of other aircraft! Could have been a case the other aircraft just didn't spot you or hear your radio calls, it is hard to spot other aircraft at the best of times!
Left Downwind I think that is the case, he just didn’t see me for whatever reason. He may have been distracted by something else and was doing his best in difficult circumstances- impossible to know really.
@@RoryOnAir Yeah, only thing I would tend to do if I know someone is joining is do some extra calls so they know where I am, so I'd add crosswind and base calls as well as the usual calls on final and downwind to help a bit and just keep an extra eye out. You did well to get out of the way for sure!
Looks like the only cure is to keep your eye's open and it sure doesn't hurt to have someone with you to spot them too. After that close call I'll bet you both spent the rest of the flight doing a little extra looking. I was even looking for you too!!!......lol Thumbs up from this side of the pond.
Great video as always. Love the giggle after take off. I think that's when you realise someone's going to really enjoy the flight 😊
I'm curious if you filed an airprox for this? Given the distance and altitude it seems this could have been disastrous. I know there is an airprox radio call but I've yet to see an example on youtube.
Dale Edwards Thanks Dale. I didn’t file one. After showing the footage to my instructor who owns the aircraft we decided it wasn’t close enough to warrant filing one. Although I now know it, I didn’t at the time know the full callsign of the other aircraft.
Good to know. Collision avoidance is certainly an interesting topic. I work at a tech company and we had a presentation a few weeks back which looked into some of the tech around pilotaware. It was cool to see lots of people with no interest in aviation taking a big interest in the project.
Dale Edwards absolutely. I’m all for it - I think it would be much safer if everyone used it.
Interesting flight! I have experienced 2 near misses, the first was when I was about 10 and flying back from St Brieuc in Brittany to Jersey. We came out of cloud and out of the left side of the DC3 I saw another one, the same altitude and the same airline, banking hard right to pass behind us. Not sure how close but near enough to see the airline livery on it.
The second was in the late 90s in a Cessna out of Poppham airfield we passed over something that looked like a Jodel or Robin near Basingstoke. I don’t think it was more than 100ft below us, we could clearly see the 2 people in the cockpit. That was far too close!
Malcolm Rowe blimey, that sounds pretty scary! This wasn’t as close by any means, I couldn’t see faces in the other plane although they went behind and the camera being wide angle makes it look further away than it was.
You finally included a shot of a 'gyro (a Calidus). I approve !! ;)
Hehehe... A near miss and a sighting of the Red Arrows (even though I could not see them on my iPad) and the thing which inspires me to comment is the 'gyro.
RoadRunnerLaser nice one. I will try and include More in future!
Rory On Air - I hope it won't be too long before you're up-close-and-personal with Hotel Lima... I'm working on it, believe me.
RoadRunnerLaser good man!
Great video , well you turned right as the rules require that's what I would do. Instinctively if already low I would be making a climbing turn to avoid the other traffic no point in diving and hitting the deck ...... I note the other aircraft also appeared to turn right . Had a few get close in my time ....plus the ones going the wrong way round the circuit...
Andrew Martin yes, at 900 feet I felt that descending was safe enough. I’m not sure if they did turn right or not, which is why I would be interested to chat to the pilot to see what he did and saw.
I've just started flying from Sleap and have been taught to fly the circuit on departure which is what you were doing too. Slightly difficult to tell from the video but it looks as though the conflicting a/c was either flying the wrong way around the circuit or was cutting across you to join downwind late.
Owain Wright Ah nice one Owain. I think the other aircraft was crossing the upwind numbers and flying a crosswind leg further north than me when we saw him.
Rory new to your channel I have to say I love your videos! Starting my licence for the second time. First time was out of Mainair! What plane are you flying in?
Hello and welcome to the channel! This is the Eurostar I’m in now but I’m currently learning to fly helicopters in Leicester. 🚁👍
Great video Rory. I think it was 3-0 to your mate for the aircraft spotting!
Jodel Flyer Thanks Tim. Yes, my pax was very effective with the old MK1.
Hi Rory, Great video as always. Just trying to get my head around how this occurred, as from the film it appears as if DX was coming directly at you! (And flies passed you after your evasive right turn) If DX was deadside descending when you took off then I can see how they might conflict in a perpendicular manner as you come onto down wind (as you've said you would hope they would manoeuvre behind you) but don't understand how they would come to be flying towards you? Only think I can think of is that they were entering a circuit for a different runway?
Hello mate, they weren’t coming towards me as we saw them first, but instead from left to right in front and about 100 above. I would have got pretty close had we continued towards them hence my right descending turn. That meant they ended up above and behind us. I’ll draw a pic for you when I see you next if you like. I should have added one to the video but ran out of production time.
Overhead join at Sleap is at 2000 feet AGL and not 1000 feet which is actually the circuit height. This is quite normal with the overhead join 1000 feet above the circuit height. For example, EGBN has an 1800 feet overhead join descending to join the circuit at 800 feet on the QFE. Far too many pilots think they should join overhead at the actual circuit height, a height that can easily be achieved by some departing aircraft.
I loved the ride along Rory... Amazing seeing the Red Arrows. How would you fancy a challenge of taking a paralysed man up for a flight? It would make interesting content if nothing else.. Many thanks (Phil - Standish)
Phil - I'm partially paralysed and fly from Sleap I would be more than happy to take you for a flight. Contact through Sleap afd or email. That's no challenge a piece of cake
@@kestrel5065 Thank you so much... I will let you know very soon, once I get my head around the idea.. I need to do this for my bucket list.. and I used to love flying.. Phil
Sounds like you’ve got yourself a trip there Phil. Keep in touch if it doesn’t work out and I’ll see what I can do. I’m sure taking you up would be no bother. Rory
@@RoryOnAir Thanks Rory... I'll let you know.. Phil
Think its just one of those things in a busy circuit. But you were in the right. They are joining the circuit crosswind, but your already part of it. Ive had to manoeuvre behind departing traffic in the same scenario where i was the other aircraft.
christopher wilson yeah, it’s just one of those things I guess. Luckily nothing serious too occurred. Thanks for watching.
Looked like a good separation. You were in the circuit but I would have made the same decision. Not sure what the other acft was doing as he should have been either in the o'head at 2000ft or joining the circuit x wind over the numbers at 360?
Kestrel 506 yeah. I was a bit confused as to what DX was doing in that area which is partly why it would be useful to chat to the pilot.
Awesome video, mate! Seeing the other A/C escaping to his right as well, it looks like you did the right thing? You don't want to turn into an incoming A/C and climb out, risking a stall if you're doing it all to agressive, which is obviously in the range of all things possible? I mean, watching your airspeed closely in a climb, in a split second, when your eyes are definitely outside the cockpit, isn't the best way to go? I don't know what you officially should have done, but I think I would have done exactly the same... ;)
ForFunFlyer thanks very much. I get your point about the dangers of a stall in the climb. I think that’s certainly something to consider. Turning and descending just felt the right thing instinctively.
@@RoryOnAir I totally agree! As said before, I would have done the same...
Could you possibly do a video about your audio setup please? I am learning to fly (Conington (Peterborough)) but my audio setup is poor to say the least. Lots of ‘noise’ - whether it’s the radio is the a/c or my setup - but yours is bordering on crystal clear. Thanks, in advance.
Colin Marshall Hi Colin, have a look through my previous videos and you will find one all about recording ATC audio through my setup. I hope that helps!
Just down the road from me, I'm sibson airfield but very low hour ppl student
@@RoryOnAir WOW - what a difference that makes. Bought all of the items in the video and the difference is outstanding EXCEPT one aspect; unless I am missing something completely obviously (and, no, the volume was the same as it has always been) the audio from ATC, etc, was significantly lower? Any advice??
Colin Marshall hi Colin, I’m delighted to hear it’s largely worked for you too. I must admit I have the same issues with ATC levels verses the cabin chat and I have no idea why. I have tried playing about with the Radio vol versus the vox etc but it’s always louder when I TX and their reply records quiet. I’m afraid I just fix it in the edit... also you only get one side of a stereo recording, which I copy to make duel mono.
Great video Rory! Was this a left circuit pattern? If so shouldn’t DX been on the right hand/dead side of the runway?
Thomas Gillis hi Thomas, thanks. Yes, left hand circuits so DX had descended on the deadside as normal and then was on the part where you cross the upwind numbers at 1000 feet. The Correct way to join overhead, but also cutting in front of me...
Right. Here in Australia to overfly any part of the airfield you have to be 1500 above the field with circuit height 1000 above. :)
@@RoryOnAir You did not fly a crosswind leg by the look of it? Was he still on the crosswind leg?
forfengeligfaen I flew a short crosswind leg due to noise abatement areas I was trying to avoid. DX was much closer to the upwind numbers than you would be on crosswind.
Sorry just to get this into my head... was DX using the same runway as you or the cross?
Are you going to fill in an Airprox report?
Just watching this again to pass the time, what's the track used at 8:58?
It’s just some youtube production music - it’s not an actual song you’d find on Spotify I’m afraid.
Can I ask was there anyone at fault with that near miss and did you get the right info about traffic from control tower?
Donna Adams it isn’t a control tower at Sleap, it’s just an air ground radio so very limited info. I don’t think anyone was ‘at fault’, just that things could have been done differently by me and the other pilot. See the next video when I review the issues and hear from the other pilot.
Hi Rory. Just an idea...you knew he was out there but didn’t have sight...a quick position report might have helped. John
Sting Ireland A superb suggestion which I wish I had thought of at the time. Something to add to my list to do next time. Thanks
All boating above a size limit, have to transmit an AIS signal, so as to identify & avoid collision... I'm surprised that GA aircraft are not legally required to carry them..
john wheatley yes, I’m familiar with AIS but as you say, small boats don’t need to use it, and I guess small planes don’t either at the moment. It would be good and I think it’s coming but the tech needs to be consolidated and made more affordable.
@@RoryOnAir Well, we are generally talking about equipment around 10.000 Euros. Not only do you need ADS-B in and out for everyone, but also a compatible GPS to feed it. In Europe the wrong choices were made - like eveytime where people decide something without listening to experts or doing some research what other countries are doing. So everything will be even more expensive now. I personally do not really care much because I can easily afford their stupidity but not everyone can. And in addition to not getting realiable traffic we also do not get inflight weather via ADS-B. Good thing we might get that from Garmin in the future.
Rainer Zufall very frustrating but hopefully things will improve.
Its difficult to tell from the video and as always there's many elements to every story but it appears to me that the other aircraft was making a right hand turn in a left hand circuit? I certainly wouldn't have expected opposite direction traffic at a similar level in the downwind. I could of course be reading the situation wrong!
Ashley Lawson I think you’re interpretation is pretty spot on actually.
Was the other aircraft you encountered an EV97 also?
John May yes it was John.
Did you fly an oval circuit instead of a square on the Sleap departure? Certainly looked like a nearly continuous turn and a really close in downwind leg.
If I was finishing the OH join crossing to the downwind of a square circuit I’d be expecting you to have been much further to my right (expecting you to have climbed on runway track, then turned and flown a crosswind leg parallel to my joining track) and I’d have been looking for you somewhere off to my right around the start of the downwind. I certainly wouldn’t be expecting you to be close in almost dead ahead as you’d flown a climbing 180 instead.
Nice job with the avoiding action though and no harm done. Good decision to stay low too and a nice, civilized radio call.
Be interesting to hear the other pilots perspective. I’d guess that he never saw you.
Mark Sumner thanks for the comment Mark. I did fly a tight circuit and with hindsight I think this wasn’t helpful to the situation. I should have continued on Runway heading for longer I think but I was trying to keep away from noise abatement areas and get myself heading north as quickly as possible due to the fact I knew my passenger would start to feel increasingly airsick as time went on. Human factors and all that eh! Cheers, Rory
Its difficult to visualize yours and the other aircraft's position in the circuit at the time. Would be useful to see a map of the positions. Maybe your Sky Demon log overlain with your estimate of the other aircraft's track.
MrAlwaysBlue yes, I think I will do something like that for my next video as several people have asked. 👍
Your position at the start of your downwind leg was less than 1/2 mile east from runway 18 centreline at 900ft. The circuit is further out to the east approx 1 mile at 1000ft. The other aircraft should be crossing 36 threshold 1000ft west to east he would be looking for you further to the east. Your aircraft performance allowed you to reach circuit height, almost! and downwind direction, if not correct ground track simultaneously, therefore a high workload. As said before, extending the take off climb on runway direction before turning would make the departure safer. You did lookout and listen out but were below circuit height, close to the runway and approaching joining traffic from below.
nomadaviation good summary, and I agree that flying a wider circuit would have helped on this occasion. Thanks for watching
Nickname your oppo " Hawkeyes" . He should considered a career as a fighter pilot with that eyesight
Jonathan Griffiths yes, his eyesight is excellent. A shame he gets Air sick which I think might cause an issue in a typhoon.
Personally I think I would have handled it exactly the way you did. From what I could see turning left and climbing wouldn’t work as you don’t have enough power to climb fast enough to clear. Also you would most likely turn directly into their path and not cleared it. Also if the other aircraft still had not seen you they wouldn’t have had a reason to turn and would have continued straight into your path. A descending turn to the right on full power in this case took you away faster and also exposed more surface area for the other aircraft to see and avoid. Pulling back on the controls on full power to avoid an aircraft can easily cause enough distraction to loose too much speed and cause a power on (departure) stall and possible spin.
Laird Bufflehead ...and you definitely don’t want to get yourself into one of those! Thanks for your comment. 👍
Are you required to file an airprox report?
lautoka63 I’ve been advised it it wasn’t close enough or likely enough to cause a collision to do so.
I normally just fly runway heading to escape the circuit.
Do that on 18 at Sleap and you you head straight in to the CMATZ of Shawbury.
Craig O'Brien fair enough but not very handy if you are flying off in the opposite direction. I think flying the circuit and leaving at the end of a leg is safe and sensible too.
@@RoryOnAir Flying the runway heading on 230 takes you straight into Shawbury MATZ without giving the pilot time to get MATZ penetration approval or the requisite altitude which usually will be not below 2400 on a QNH setting. Flying the R/W heading means the aircraft has to turn South to avoid the MATZ what's the point? Why not fly the circuit pattern and depart downwind to the Nth?
Kestrel 506 I think we agree here - fly a circuit and leave on a heading that makes sense for your onward route?
Don't beat yourself up... Difficult from the video to see what was really going on. I'm sure you made the right decision...easy to sit back in hindsight at be critical - but you do what you have to do. Were you upwind? Was the conflict from a crosswind traffic? Or did you clash as you turned onto downwind? Circuit traffic is never an easy one - I struggle with it all, several years after getting my license. It's an Airprox though, IMHO...reporting it though, probably won't glean too much. Have you studied your video/RT transmissions/Receptions to see if there was any warning for you?
The Flying Reporter Thanks Jon. I had just turned onto downwind and saw the shadow of his aircraft which I think was at the ‘cross the upwind numbers at 1000’ stage of the overhead join. I had heard him call overhead and ‘deadside descending’ so I was aware he was there and looking but as someone else has suggested I should perhaps have made a position report. Whether or not it was an airprox is an interesting question. As I said I showed the video and discussed it with an instructor to see what they thought and we decided it wasn’t worth it as we don’t think we would have collided even if I had done nothing. Maybe I’m wrong with this though. All good learning experience!
Im a 737 Captain with 22k hours and only 1 near miss, a VFR aircraft coming out of a coud
1littlelee sounds like you’ve been lucky but I guess you’re less likely to have near misses in ‘big School’ aircraft like the queen of the skies. Very cool job. 👍
@@RoryOnAir Oh I hadd the near miss just after I got my commercial, NOT in the 737, although I do train pilots on The 737 Max8 and Max9, oh well still paid
No ADS-B or FLARM then?
Drone & Sundry I have a transponder with ADS-B out and was using a sky echo so was visible but it wasn’t connected to my iPad due to a technical issue with it.
@@RoryOnAir Did the other fellow! Electronic Conspicuity for all.
Drone & Sundry I don’t know.
Could use a Pilot Aware and know exactly where the other plane is.
Phill Smith yes, I am keen. I’m using hired aircraft which don’t have it fitted and we have been trialing sky echo recently.
As you are doing a bit of editing, why not put in a map showing the routes and the airfields. :)
A.M. Fortas yes. I wish I had done that. I was editing it on a small screen while on holiday in Scotland so was limited by time and not having my usual office setup. I will do More if that in future.
G'day,
Yay Team !
This is a GREAT Video...!
Your mate has EXCELLENT Eyesight.
One point which I MUST make, though, Pilgrim...; is that the machine in which thou wast performing Recreational Levitation..., is A Little Aeroplane.., but it is NOT an Utralight, and definitively NOT within Bull's Roar of being a "Microlight".
Judgement hath Bin-Delivered..., there is No Appeal.
I squeak as the Grandaddy-Santaclause of the Twiddly Little Hairygoplane Movement - because what taught me to Levitate has for 24 years hung from the Ceiling of the Transport Museum 80 Km West of my home Town.
To see it, title-search YT, for
"The 8 Hp, 1975, Red Baron Skycraft Scout..; World's 1st Legal Minimum Aircraft.
I was it's 3rd Owner, and I was the last person who it ever lifted off the Grass ; in November 1978, when I was 17.
Such is Life.
Have a good one,
;-p
Ciao !
WarblesOnALot thanks - glad you enjoyed the video!
@@RoryOnAir
No worries..., and it's a lovely Little Aeroplane...(!).
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Ciao !
The Thick of it? Planning to make a video with Peter Capaldi (aka Malcolm Tucker) are you Rory? 🤣
Such classic comedy. 😂
Dumb question time: Who was "at fault" there? I assume the rules and processes in place should prevent this and planes don't/shouldn't just fly into each other's paths like that. So I guess someone did something wrong there?
Note: I'm not a pilot (one day, maybe...)
Richard Brooklyn hi Richard, not a dumb question at all. I should have probably included that in the video but didn’t want to look like I was blaming the other pilot. I was in the circuit so other aircraft should conform to the pattern made by existing circuit traffic so he should have gone behind me. Also, ‘on the right, in the right’ is the rule in the air as I was to the right of him, so he should have moved to not conflict with me. That’s my understanding of the rules but we all make mistakes, me included. Being right is no use if you collide either, so it’s up to everyone to see and avoid. Thanks for watching!
My instructor gave me this memorable little poem ( borrowed from our sailing friends )
Here lies the body of Johnny O'Day
Who died while preserving his right of way.
He was right, dead right, as he flew along
But he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong!
Grahame T Similarly to my comment above, there is the right way, the right of way and then there's self preservation. We can all do it better next time with the advantage of hindsight.
Rory On Air I believe you did what needed doing Rory and no harm was done, thankfully.
You need a 4K camera now... for the next time you see the Reds ;)
Steve Roberts I know! To be honest the gopro cameras will shoot 4K but it creates such large files it’s not really practical. Would have been handy for this one though!
Dont worry we have soul.
Circuit discipline at Sleap is appalling and has been for years!
Philip put a thumbs down because of the near miss you don't want any more of those. Why didn't the radar spot it .the traffic control should have informed you with the radio. How did that happen. Rory what's your thoughts on that one. Philip hope's better flying from now on. Philip John.
Rory have you seen any of Steveo s video's on you tube he is a brilliant pilot he makes it look so easy. You should have a look I think you might learn something from them let me no what you think phil.
There is no Radar at Sleap, just a man with a radio. It’s up to the pilots to see and avoid. Have a look at my follow up video.
Stop talking and listen to your radio.....and concentrate on your flying....a missed call....is probs the cause of your near miss.