Thanks for watching jamie. Luckily I had the fiberglass and resin left over from when I had to re-cover the porch roof (due to thieves pinching the lead)..b33zo
Brilliant!! Many thanks for the video. I'll be very happy with the quality of this repair on the two front wings of my 15-year-old Passat. I'm going to use exactly your technique and we'll see how it goes! All the best!!!
Thanks Jaz. It was a longer job than anticipated and rained a few times but I couldn't leave the old TDI with rusty wings after the miles it has carried me. ATB b33zo
Midnight Rider thanks for watching and comments - yes a moderate voice and a big hammer are essential tools when it comes to fixing things. Good luck with your project. b33zo
Good job. The professional cost and replacement properly, is £200 a wheel arch and upwards. At those prices, it’s got to be considered, this may be the entire budget for getting the car through an MOT, or put another way, the ‘big maintenance jobs’ lumped together. EG every two years to 5 years depending on mileage, all-round discs and pads etc, couple of drop links, ball joints, all that lot. On older cars that are in no way ‘classics’ these costs are unaffordable sometimes, or at least economically hard to justify. I decided on a rule - if the present vehicle is adequate for the needs, and costs in repairs less than £100 a month on average, this compares with the very cheapest possible vehicle capital cost (ie what you lose on buying a newer car per month). So every time you do a job, mark on the calendar how many months-worth that big job represents. So we had £400 of repairs on a 24-year-old car. I need a hard and fast rule to tell me when to question continuing to use this versus replacement. That £400 pushed the must-be-usable date out by four months. Then we had a mechanic do the suspension repairs, another £350 or so. Call it £800. As the work was done last June, this car must be able to run without major further repair, until 8 months’ time…which makes it end of February it has to last until. If a further repair comes along, we add that at the same rate, and so on. As long as it keeps to this rule, if all we want is a car to do what this old car does, it isn’t worth replacing. However, you’ve got to count your time spent, and consider that has value as well. One of the issues for us, is our little car attracts £18 a month of road tax, due to the multiple road tax systems the UK govt currently has going. Or, if you just want a different car, it’s not merely utility, then my rule-of-thumb is out. Although the car has been great, and it came along after Renault upped its quality and began galvanising bodywork, it seems likely rust will feature in its demise. Brake pipes eventually die of course, but the car can be failed long before that if they look bad enough. Decent brake pipes, don’t rust badly at all, and you can choose to replace them with the better stuff. Anyway, this wheel arch rust, with subsequent sharp-edge issues for the MOT, is a really common one so thanks. PS - in Ukraine, they have an MOT every two years, not annually. Cue jokes about how vehicles get blown up before they get to a year, so what’s it matter. Take care all, thanks for this vid, we won’t be spending £200 a side having the rear arches professionally-done.
@sleekitwan thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts. Yes, running an old vehicle can be costly but if you're able to do-it-yourself obviously you're getting closer to the break even point in risk and reward. What i've found recently when I sat in a much newer car is how much less they rattle and clank, how the seats aren't shot and how many buttons there are to press... Cheers b33zo
Thanks for watching Neil. I only did this repair because I had the resin and fiberglass left over from a little roofing job I did. Other people have gone down the replacement and painting route which may be a quicker option. ATB b33zo
Looking at the age of the vehicle and the repair you did, it will most likely last until it’s ready for the crusher, I have to do a few fenders on my wife’s Jeep, and this was a great entry level example of how to, as you put it “diy” thanks for doing it, and the camera angles were awesome, loved the rain shot. 👍🏻
Thanks for watching bluethunder. Yes, it's amateur hour here. No one's pretending they know how to do a thing. Second-hand wings are available or bare primed replicas can be purchased on Ebay. I had the fiberglass and resin left over from another job so the main cost was the rattle-can paint and my time. Media was easy enough as that's what I've done for last 25+ years. Cheers b33zo
Refitting my bathroom watched your bath panel vid! Excellent then found myself watching this vid. Very enjoyable, love the Roberts flack rendition! You have a new sub. Thanks!
Thanks for watching Steve and for your kind comments. UA-cam does have a way of trapping the viewer! I recently started off with a music video and ended up watching the excavation of a JCB that had sunk up to its roof in mud... ATB b33zo
Thanks for watching Darren and for comps. Good luck with sorting out the rust. ATB b33zo ps someone suggested getting a fresh wing from Ebay for around £50 which might be an option.
Excellent job,im copy this soon, did my saab arches last summer,did all the correct procedures, rust back again,you just have to cut it out and do this
Thanks Phil. Yes, I learned on Minis 50 years ago - no amount of rust eater, wire brushing, primer and filler is going to hold rust back for long. Admittedly cars were only made of mild steel in those days...True to say that on this VW Golf it was the arch liner fitting that led to the rust, not a failing in the galvanizing and paint job. ATB b33zo
Nice enough job but top tip, you should not sand the basecoat, just paint and let it flash off then do the next layer and let it flash off then one final coat of base coat let it flash off then two to three coats of laquer allowing each coat to flash off, if needed after a few days 1200 to 1500 grit wet and dry flating paper then compound and polish.
Thanks for watching TheBuzzdev and for your very kind remarks. I started fixing things in my youth more out of necessity than curiosity and slowly accumulated knowledge and enough tools to have a go at anything. Singing? Well we can all sing when we're on our own can't we? Cheers b33zo
@@b33zo well, i'm just repairing wife's Sedona sliding door. Big rust hole at the bottom. Almost all the lower door portion is missing horizontally with height about 3-15 centimeters. So it has no edge at the bottom at all. Just in the left and right corner. The back side of the door is also gone, so no foam or such. I'm wondering how i'm gonna restore it with fiberglass only. Hmm... Yeah everybody is singing when alone, but not all of them actually can sing :)
Thanks for watching Ron. I had the fiberglass left over from fixing a roof (where thieves had removed the lead) and thought doing the wing might make an interesting little project. ATB b33zo
Great job! My 2011 Golf Mk6 has the same issue. Tried to get VW to honour the 12-year anti-corrosion warranty a couple of years back, but they don't want to know. They claimed it's "edge and fold corrosion" and isn't covered. Infuriating.
Thanks for watching ally. From memory the 'pistonheads' website has lots of info on how to get VW to honour the 12 year warranty. When I think of some of the old Mini's I owned and how brand new wings would rust through in 3-4 years a 12 year bodywork warranty still seems quite unbelievable. b33zo
Excellent work! I tackled this kind of job last summer, unfortunately because I didn't cut the rust out the rust returned after winter. Interestingly the rust is the worst on the lower side of the car, where it gets the most salt. I'm planning on attempting to redo it this summer, using brunox epoxy to treat the rust before using other products.
Evaldash thanks for watching and leaving a comment. I took fairly drastic action to deal with the VW wing rust because a) fiddling about with anti-rust medication, filler and paint previously always turned out to be a short-term fix, b) the car is 15 years old c) I had the time and d) I had spare fiberglass (+ catalyst) left over from a roofing job. Still looks great after 12 months... Best wishes b33zo
That’s what must be happening with my seat Leon ( 2013 plate ) …. Just noticing some slight bobbling on the drivers wheel arch .. no rust on the outside as of yet but definitely right at the top of the wheel arch where yours is on your golf !! Cracking job buddy and well done 👍🏽 😀👍🏽… Merry Christmas and happy New Year 🥳
Thanks for watching John and for kind remarks. I guess the Leon has the same or similar wheel arch liner held in at the top by a grommet of some kind. Behind the liner (at the top) in the Golf there's a foam pad and it seems that once that's full of water you've got a 24/7 rust trap. A little job for you to sort out sooner than later. Cheers b33zo
@@b33zo no probs buddy. … when I find out how to take the liner off I will have a look Yes it probably has that same silly sponge that stops things Matalan but causes another problem to fix one. !! I just bought some hammerite rust killer. If I put some of that on the inside of the wheel arch would that stop the rust from spreading any more do you think 🤔
Personally would have welded in a new patch rather than mock it up with fibreglass and you didn’t scuff the paint up before applying any filler so I don’t think it’ll stick properly if it gets a small whack or just from winter weather but it’s a good effort from what it originally was
Hi EG thanks for watching. It's not much of a list but general purpose polyester resin and hardener from CFS and some of their fiberglass quilt. Get a pack of multigrade wet and dry paper off ebay and some primer and reflex silver rattle-can paint from Huddersfield Auto Paint (also ebay). Fairly easy job if you're keen enough and can come back to it over several days. Good luck with your project, b33zo
Thanks man luckily mine is just the rust and no holes yet. Exactly the same problem the plastic inside failed and allowed water to get in. Vw caddy. Thanks again good job!
@@elephantgunners9518 Thanks again I think its worth removing the arch liner and cutting off the metal fixing tab at the top of the arch. Probably removing some of the spongy padding too as this just holds water which makes the rust even worse. I was too lazy to deal with it early on but when the car passed MOT with 191k on the clock I felt it deserved it! Good luck with the job. b33zo
Thanks for watching major. My DIY guess it that VW created a problem for themselves in the wheel arch liner design and tried to solve it by adding sponges...b33zo
Thanks for watching Christian. A very good point. Yes £50 for a wing with just primer - ideal if you have some sort of painting facility. Ebay have a supplier who will sell the wing 'painted in any colour' for £134 + £15.00 postage. b33zo
Impressive repair for the age of car and on the driveway ! Great video and well done 👏
Thanks for watching jamie. Luckily I had the fiberglass and resin left over from when I had to re-cover the porch roof (due to thieves pinching the lead)..b33zo
When I saw that angle grinder. Brutal 😅 Good job Sir.
Thanks for watching Jason! b33zo
This is real Old Skool repair. Awesome job and tutorial bro.
Thanks Ransford yeah should have done my old Mini wings like this when I was 17 but didn't have tools or knowledge - just enthusiasm...
ATB b33zo
@@b33zo I'm really looking forward to seeing more of your down - to -earth and common sense videos posted for the ordinary man.
Brilliant!!
Many thanks for the video.
I'll be very happy with the quality of this repair on the two front wings of my 15-year-old Passat. I'm going to use exactly your technique and we'll see how it goes!
All the best!!!
Thanks for watching David. Good luck with your repair! b33zo
Good job mate. I enjoyed the video and one of the best DIY arch jobs I’ve seen on UA-cam
Thanks Jaz. It was a longer job than anticipated and rained a few times but I couldn't leave the old TDI with rusty wings after the miles it has carried me. ATB b33zo
@@b33zo well the longer the job time the better the result. Unfortunately I’m going to do this on my drivers side rear wheel arch so wish me luck lol
@@jazmark1719 Good luck and let us know when your video is uploaded!
Great video and enjoyed the Fugees rendition too! I’m attempting some arch repairs to a Mercedes SLK this week and your video has helped, thank you
Midnight Rider thanks for watching and comments - yes a moderate voice and a big hammer are essential tools when it comes to fixing things. Good luck with your project. b33zo
This was hilarious fair play on the repair it looks better and you did it yourself which most wouldn't and couldn't
Thanks for watching DOD - and for your complimentary remarks! b33zo
Good job. The professional cost and replacement properly, is £200 a wheel arch and upwards. At those prices, it’s got to be considered, this may be the entire budget for getting the car through an MOT, or put another way, the ‘big maintenance jobs’ lumped together. EG every two years to 5 years depending on mileage, all-round discs and pads etc, couple of drop links, ball joints, all that lot. On older cars that are in no way ‘classics’ these costs are unaffordable sometimes, or at least economically hard to justify. I decided on a rule - if the present vehicle is adequate for the needs, and costs in repairs less than £100 a month on average, this compares with the very cheapest possible vehicle capital cost (ie what you lose on buying a newer car per month). So every time you do a job, mark on the calendar how many months-worth that big job represents.
So we had £400 of repairs on a 24-year-old car. I need a hard and fast rule to tell me when to question continuing to use this versus replacement. That £400 pushed the must-be-usable date out by four months. Then we had a mechanic do the suspension repairs, another £350 or so. Call it £800. As the work was done last June, this car must be able to run without major further repair, until 8 months’ time…which makes it end of February it has to last until. If a further repair comes along, we add that at the same rate, and so on.
As long as it keeps to this rule, if all we want is a car to do what this old car does, it isn’t worth replacing. However, you’ve got to count your time spent, and consider that has value as well. One of the issues for us, is our little car attracts £18 a month of road tax, due to the multiple road tax systems the UK govt currently has going. Or, if you just want a different car, it’s not merely utility, then my rule-of-thumb is out. Although the car has been great, and it came along after Renault upped its quality and began galvanising bodywork, it seems likely rust will feature in its demise. Brake pipes eventually die of course, but the car can be failed long before that if they look bad enough. Decent brake pipes, don’t rust badly at all, and you can choose to replace them with the better stuff. Anyway, this wheel arch rust, with subsequent sharp-edge issues for the MOT, is a really common one so thanks.
PS - in Ukraine, they have an MOT every two years, not annually. Cue jokes about how vehicles get blown up before they get to a year, so what’s it matter. Take care all, thanks for this vid, we won’t be spending £200 a side having the rear arches professionally-done.
@sleekitwan thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts. Yes, running an old vehicle can be costly but if you're able to do-it-yourself obviously you're getting closer to the break even point in risk and reward. What i've found recently when I sat in a much newer car is how much less they rattle and clank, how the seats aren't shot and how many buttons there are to press...
Cheers b33zo
That came out really well, going to attempt something like this with a small car I took in on part exhange. Thanks John
Thanks for watching Neil. I only did this repair because I had the resin and fiberglass left over from a little roofing job I did. Other people have gone down the replacement and painting route which may be a quicker option. ATB b33zo
Looking at the age of the vehicle and the repair you did, it will most likely last until it’s ready for the crusher, I have to do a few fenders on my wife’s Jeep, and this was a great entry level example of how to, as you put it “diy” thanks for doing it, and the camera angles were awesome, loved the rain shot. 👍🏻
Thanks for watching bluethunder. Yes, it's amateur hour here. No one's pretending they know how to do a thing. Second-hand wings are available or bare primed replicas can be purchased on Ebay. I had the fiberglass and resin left over from another job so the main cost was the rattle-can paint and my time. Media was easy enough as that's what I've done for last 25+ years. Cheers b33zo
Refitting my bathroom watched your bath panel vid! Excellent then found myself watching this vid. Very enjoyable, love the Roberts flack rendition!
You have a new sub.
Thanks!
Thanks for watching Steve and for your kind comments. UA-cam does have a way of trapping the viewer! I recently started off with a music video and ended up watching the excavation of a JCB that had sunk up to its roof in mud...
ATB b33zo
Great vid, I have the well known rusty arch problem on my 2002 Passat, I was wondering how to form the arch, nice idea and loved the singing 😀
Thanks for watching Darren and for comps. Good luck with sorting out the rust. ATB b33zo ps someone suggested getting a fresh wing from Ebay for around £50 which might be an option.
Clever man. Good engineering brain you have. Well done!
Thanks nedim88 for your kind remarks. b33zo
Excellent job,im copy this soon, did my saab arches last summer,did all the correct procedures, rust back again,you just have to cut it out and do this
Thanks Phil. Yes, I learned on Minis 50 years ago - no amount of rust eater, wire brushing, primer and filler is going to hold rust back for long. Admittedly cars were only made of mild steel in those days...True to say that on this VW Golf it was the arch liner fitting that led to the rust, not a failing in the galvanizing and paint job. ATB b33zo
Good effort. I might try fiber glass on my focus wing
Thanks Kenneth. Fiberglass work is what you might call an 'enthusiasts job'. The ancient TDI still looks nice after 12 months...ATB b33zo
Wish I could have such magic hands to help my Golf with rust :)
Thanks for watching tomass.
Nice enough job but top tip, you should not sand the basecoat, just paint and let it flash off then do the next layer and let it flash off then one final coat of base coat let it flash off then two to three coats of laquer allowing each coat to flash off, if needed after a few days 1200 to 1500 grit wet and dry flating paper then compound and polish.
Thanks for watching Neil and passing on some top tips. b33zo
Great job! You are a true DIY master and a good singer.. thanxs
Thanks for watching TheBuzzdev and for your very kind remarks. I started fixing things in my youth more out of necessity than curiosity and slowly accumulated knowledge and enough tools to have a go at anything. Singing? Well we can all sing when we're on our own can't we? Cheers b33zo
@@b33zo well, i'm just repairing wife's Sedona sliding door. Big rust hole at the bottom. Almost all the lower door portion is missing horizontally with height about 3-15 centimeters. So it has no edge at the bottom at all. Just in the left and right corner. The back side of the door is also gone, so no foam or such. I'm wondering how i'm gonna restore it with fiberglass only. Hmm... Yeah everybody is singing when alone, but not all of them actually can sing :)
Lookes better than it was as long as you are happy with it that all that matters 🎉
Thanks for watching Ron. I had the fiberglass left over from fixing a roof (where thieves had removed the lead) and thought doing the wing might make an interesting little project. ATB b33zo
Thanks for the helpful vid👍🏼 I’m doing this on my mk4 escort rear arch tomorrow😃
Thanks for watch PFK. Hope the job went well! b33zo
Great job! My 2011 Golf Mk6 has the same issue. Tried to get VW to honour the 12-year anti-corrosion warranty a couple of years back, but they don't want to know. They claimed it's "edge and fold corrosion" and isn't covered. Infuriating.
Thanks for watching ally. From memory the 'pistonheads' website has lots of info on how to get VW to honour the 12 year warranty. When I think of some of the old Mini's I owned and how brand new wings would rust through in 3-4 years a 12 year bodywork warranty still seems quite unbelievable. b33zo
Good effort, just compound the wing and give it a polish
@19:56 It is worth improving. DIY can achieve pretty much everything. Swapping part wouldn't have made an interesting video. 🙂
Red Phoenix thanks for watching. It's gonna be a photo-finish between the car and me as to who conks out first. ATB b33zo
Excellent work! I tackled this kind of job last summer, unfortunately because I didn't cut the rust out the rust returned after winter. Interestingly the rust is the worst on the lower side of the car, where it gets the most salt. I'm planning on attempting to redo it this summer, using brunox epoxy to treat the rust before using other products.
Evaldash thanks for watching and leaving a comment. I took fairly drastic action to deal with the VW wing rust because a) fiddling about with anti-rust medication, filler and paint previously always turned out to be a short-term fix, b) the car is 15 years old c) I had the time and d) I had spare fiberglass (+ catalyst) left over from a roofing job. Still looks great after 12 months...
Best wishes b33zo
That’s what must be happening with my seat Leon ( 2013 plate ) …. Just noticing some slight bobbling on the drivers wheel arch .. no rust on the outside as of yet but definitely right at the top of the wheel arch where yours is on your golf !! Cracking job buddy and well done 👍🏽 😀👍🏽… Merry Christmas and happy New Year 🥳
Thanks for watching John and for kind remarks. I guess the Leon has the same or similar wheel arch liner held in at the top by a grommet of some kind. Behind the liner (at the top) in the Golf there's a foam pad and it seems that once that's full of water you've got a 24/7 rust trap. A little job for you to sort out sooner than later. Cheers b33zo
@@b33zo no probs buddy. … when I find out how to take the liner off I will have a look
Yes it probably has that same silly sponge that stops things Matalan but causes another problem to fix one. !! I just bought some hammerite rust killer. If I put some of that on the inside of the wheel arch would that stop the rust from spreading any more do you think 🤔
I have to say that's a very good job
Thanks for watching JB and for kind remarks. b33zo
Should see out the rest of the cars life 👍
Thanks Gary. The car is on 192k and I decided if it passed its MOT I might do some of the little jobs.. Front shock mentioned in advisories...
b33zo
That body line was about as straight as Elton john.
Thanks for watching Kenny.
Personally would have welded in a new patch rather than mock it up with fibreglass and you didn’t scuff the paint up before applying any filler so I don’t think it’ll stick properly if it gets a small whack or just from winter weather but it’s a good effort from what it originally was
Thanks for watching Matthew.
Repaired Skoda Estelle wing in 80s with fibreglass and chicken mesh. Looked ugly but passed ,
Mots who cares
@volt8684 thanks for watching. Car gets fixed, hens dont mind going free-range, win-win situation. b33zo
Is this the same fibreglass used for grp roofs
Thanks for watching Harpreet Rihal. Yes I had fiberglass, resin and hardner left over from my porch roof job. b33zo
Awesome job…🤩
@adolphfan2236 thanks for watching. b33zo
Nice work
Thanks John.
Can you give me a quick list of what you used? Thanks mate
Hi EG thanks for watching. It's not much of a list but general purpose polyester resin and hardener from CFS and some of their fiberglass quilt. Get a pack of multigrade wet and dry paper off ebay and some primer and reflex silver rattle-can paint from Huddersfield Auto Paint (also ebay). Fairly easy job if you're keen enough and can come back to it over several days. Good luck with your project, b33zo
Thanks man luckily mine is just the rust and no holes yet. Exactly the same problem the plastic inside failed and allowed water to get in. Vw caddy. Thanks again good job!
@@elephantgunners9518 Thanks again I think its worth removing the arch liner and cutting off the metal fixing tab at the top of the arch. Probably removing some of the spongy padding too as this just holds water which makes the rust even worse. I was too lazy to deal with it early on but when the car passed MOT with 191k on the clock I felt it deserved it!
Good luck with the job. b33zo
@@b33zo yeah I am planning on just doing it that way like you say it makes sense.
Andy
What a voice love the vid
Thanks for watching Caly and for your kind remarks. b33zo
Why sponges anyway? 🤷
I was remove all from my škoda.
Thanks for watching major. My DIY guess it that VW created a problem for themselves in the wheel arch liner design and tried to solve it by adding sponges...b33zo
Al that effort but you can buy a new wing for 50 quid
Thanks for watching Christian. A very good point. Yes £50 for a wing with just primer - ideal if you have some sort of painting facility. Ebay have a supplier who will sell the wing 'painted in any colour' for £134 + £15.00 postage.
b33zo
Good old school ways when ppl didnt have £50 or ebay.
Was it worth repairing if the new painted element costs 56 Euro?
Thanks for watching LG. What is it that costs 56 Euro?
@@b33zo element repaired in the movie ;)
Element?
It is at least £100 in uk. If you know any dealer selling that price you say, let me know.
In all fairness I wouldn't have bothered doing that repair I would have bought a wing from a breakers yard.
Thanks for watching Alan. I chose this option as I had fiberglass and resin left over from replacing lead stolen from my porch roof. ATB b33zo
Fancy doing another? 😂
ha thank for watching Daniel. One is enough for the older gentleman!
b33zo
ps I'm just starting work on salvage VW as a little DIY project..
Very good job 👏!! I really respect your work and dedication 👍👍👍👍🙏🙏thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching Jack and for compliments. b33zo
Just buy a new fender and paint it. Much easier.
Thanks for watching Dani and sharing your expertise.