A6500 ALL Picture Profiles- Tested & Color Graded
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- Опубліковано 17 бер 2017
- All of the available picture profiles on the A6500 color graded so you know which one to use to get the look you are going for.
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I don't understand any discussion about picture profile numbers. Those 9 PPs are simply slots to store setting like gamma, black gamma, color mode, color space, etc. Labeling the shots with PP1 to 9 nothing tells us about the settings, except in the case you didn't change Sonys default=example settings, e.g. PP9=factory preset S-Log3/S-Gamut3.
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very nice comparison video you shoot, I appreciate your work which gave me a lots of information. Thanks a lots
Wow... thanks for taking the time to explain the difference... you put some time into this - Thank you!!!
thank you so much for the hard work
I use PP8/Cine 4. Gives a flat image and a lot of flexibility in post.
Thanks for the info! Do you have any grading/correction tips? I'm new to it and trying to learn.
Christopher Burress Depends on what program you're using. You can either use a LUT and adjust from there, or do from scratch. Don't just throw a LUT on an leave it how it is. It's not for everything universally. If you're new, just work in Premiere and get the hang of it. SpeedGrade is nice too. And try using a Color Checker when shooting so you can see what you're doing easier in post.
but you don't recording in slog 3? Because is cine 4 or slog 3
Thanks..good visual info.
Thanks bro. Most helpful
Great Video
What profile did you use for this video it looks good?
Question: how did you create the checckerboard view of all samples put next to each other? Which plugin?
Resized them all and manually aligned.
hi there, what picture profile did you use to make this video at the begining?
+YourTechGuide I don't remember, sorry!
What camera you use?
And this setting also have in a6300?
Yes a6300 have this pp
I'd honestly reshoot this video. You threw LUTs on top of non-SLOG footage. While that can theoretically work if you go back and properly grade, it's generally not helpful for regular picture profiles. It tends to harm the image rather than show what it can do. The only truly great way to handle non-LOG footage is to grade from scratch. And really that also applies to LOG in a lot of cases
So I looked deeper into it after reading your comment. I didn't realize that the picture profiles were basically just preset holders that have been set to some random defaults. It turns out that the picture profiles 7, 8, & 9 were S-log 2, 3, & 3 respectively by default. What is the point of using a picture profile set to a non-LOG setting if it flattens out the image so much and color grading isn't intended for it?
Christopher Burress Christopher Burress Sorry maybe I didn't go into enough detail. SLOG is pretty much used exclusively outdoors for slightly more dynamic range. You generally overexpose a stop or two in-camera and the image appears very flat and bright until you grade it in post. People often apply a LUT to overexposed SLOG footage because it quickly brings contrast, saturation, blacks, etc. back into the image. After SLOG has received a LUT and/or been carefully graded, you often get more dynamic range than you would had you shot a regular picture profile. Yet the trade off is usually either more noise or less true black colors. You don't shoot SLOG indoors because there isn't usually enough light or differences in dynamic range indoors. And if you shoot SLOG indoors and try to use a LUT or grade it, it's going to be a noisy mess.
Color grading is intended for both non-LOG and LOG picture profiles. The difference is usually that some people feel like they have to do less work when they properly overexpose outdoor SLOG footage and apply a LUT in post. But in reality both types should require the same degree of care in color grading. The other take-away is that SLOG can theoretically give you more grading options in post. Because it's shot flat the colors aren't baked-in as much as a standard profile. Therefore you can theoretically do more tweaking. But honestly a lot of the regular profiles look great and require very little touch up. LOG tends to be more pain than it's worth
Burton Brother Productions thanks for the info. I'll have to do some thorough research and do a follow up video. I'm relatively new to videography and there is a lot more to learn than is initially apparent.
S-Log 2 should only be used if there is a real need for it because it will hurt tonality and colors (and it is harder to expose for - frame needs to be a bit overexposed if one does not want to get noisy video). S-Log 3 is an extreme version that should only be used in extreme conditions (where S-Log 2 isn't enough, and one really needs all the dynamic range). It is very hard to manually (without a LUT) color-correct S-Log 3 footage. For most uses one of Cine gamas should be perfectly OK - they give more dynamic range than no picture profile with contrast set to minimum, and are easy to work with.
I honestly disagree quite a bit because when you're grading LOG footage you're essentially trying to get it back to Rec709 through color correction. Then you can use LUTs to color grade the look you want. You are also breaking apart your image more when grading LOG as you have to color grade the footage (with the same bitrate) more in order to get the look you were going for. This is why so many people are shooting in profiles like cine2 and cine4 which are less flat and don't break down as quickly in the grade. I still like log but I think most people should avoid it unless they absolutely need the extra dynamic range due to the less robust image for editing. I ant wait for the Sony cameras to get 10 bit because then the log footage won't fall apart as quickly :)
PP8 CIne4 is the way to go. As for grading, learn some S curve exposure tricks and mess with the gamma in post. Phantom is for crazy slo mo shots usually.
and slog 3 in pp8?
Depends, if it is a darker scene then yes. Brighter go slog 2. If you are lazy, PP2 Cine 4 regular
sony a6500, a7iii. please offer me picture customization (PP profile). have a film-like image with good dynamic range, also do not require the use of LUTs and do not make too much light and color correction. Thank you.
is anyone else seeing banding in his face? Is this shot with A6500? I've noticed it on some of my A6500 footage as well, vertical lines. check the beginning of the video to see what i'm referring to.
rolling shutter...it happens with sony cameras...you can fix it later in editing..if you use final cut pto x or adobe premiere
I like the PP1 best then PP4. I have noticed that if you shoot in SLog and grade it later the image quality is degraded. Best to have the right profile and run with that for maximum IQ.
pp1 is saturated when you do color grade. is best slog or cine 4?
Great video! I can tell you put a lot of time and effort into this video. THANK YOU!
I have tried them all and mostly use PP4 and have no need for color grading at all.
I like pp1 and pp2. Don't like to work in post production with luts if I made a good job.
am getting confused some videos cpl guys saying pp9 and its settings can be used for raw photo..or jpg..is this correct..i never ever do video..difficult to find photo only dedicated videos..
You want to avoid picture profiles with photos generally. If you shoot jpeg then you will be limited in post production and these “edits” will be baked into them making them even harder to edit after. You can set to record raw photos in any mode and these profiles will not be applied and you will have the most flexibility to edit.
its help a lot thank you very much
Nice content man' have you heard about the proeoshd settings?
I don't believe I have. Could you elaborate?
ive heard of it, people are saying its really good. what does it do?
I did a little looking around and it seems to be a picture profile you can purchase and it gives your footage a canon-like look to it. (I didn't know that was desirable?) it's like 15 bucks and people rave about it. I'm not enough of a colorist to be that interested.
well the canon colors from its standard profile is really natural and nice. however im sure it cant be that hard to do manually... and for $15 is it really worth it? I just wanna know how to make my clips look normal...
Gershon Dharmanandan I want to learn how to make them look nice. Things can be color accurate and still look bland. I want to learn how to give them a depth and a pop without making them look like a child got carried away with the saturation slider lol
Does anyone have a sony PP that has a cine look without doing color correction that I could use for quick turnaround videos such as weddings
Havent tried them but someone in the comments said they use pp1,pp2 or pp4 so they dont have to do a lot of work in post.
PP2 is the best picture if you don't want to do any post production.
tk bro you ar me hero
phantom is a high speed Camera.. they shoot up to something like 25000 fps. and due to that short shutter time pictures get very dark
The phantom profile I believe that is for the DJI Phantom 3 line of drones, that have a slog mode. It´s present in many video editors
4:21 what lens did you use for this shot?
The rokinon 12mm f2.0 links in description.
ahh nice.. that bokeh is really nice...
One of my favorite lenses.
i have the canon 10-18 (im still on canon, havent switched to sony yet.) and i love it so much. that and the 50mm. my favorite lenses.
Nice. I almost got the 70d or 80d instead of the a6500. I'm happy with the move though. (coming from an d7100 nikon)
Profile 6 makes wind stop! Too bad it looks so bland.
Pleaaaaaaaaaase get an external mic
Check any of my newer videos.
what the fuck man log-c luts one slog footage!! what are you doing? tip, go to Sonys website and download the official Slog-rec.709 lut!
Explain the first part of your comment?
When you applying luts on slog footage the input of the lut needs to be slog. Otherwise you totally screw up the color transformation! A slog to rec.709 lut transform the color space from slog to rec.709. rec.709 is the color space that TVs are showing from the web like UA-cam sRGB is the proper color space! I´m definitely not an expert but you need to read a bit more about color theory! sorry but it will take time to understand color theory, I´m struggling with that now!
Interesting, and I definitely need to do more research. I thought that the colors of pp4-6 looked pretty good throughout the video (with exceptions of course) and those were not slog. On the other hand pp7-9 were all slog and, while I understand a LUT is a starting point for color grading, I don't think those looked even close to recoverable throughout the footage. I don't understand the nuance of the applied LUT, and I'll have to go to sonys website and download the LUT you mentioned to see what it does. Is there a science to it or is it all pretty much trial and error with the color grading?
The Slog-rec.709 lut is definately not a stylish lut but the math behind the color are going to be right! after the Slog-rec.709 you can add something more stylish like the rec.709-M31 (M31 is a lut from visoncolor) If your are intrested and have the time I recomend that you start grading in Davinci Resolve. It´s easier to understand color that way!