The Best Way To Shallow The Club | Finally!
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- Do you struggle to shallow the golf club in the downswing? This drill is unlike anything you've tried before and will FINALLY allow you to get the proper "feel" for shallowing the club.
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This is excellent. In my development the shallowing of the club was my next focus and this explains it very well. 2 practice sessions in and I’m really hitting the ball now. Excellent video!
Absolutely the best video i have ever seen. This video build me a brand new golf swing. I am so greatful for all your help. Thank you so much Clay. Finally after so many years im understanding the golf swing and im playing great golf because of your great tips. Thank you again and again
No bullshit intro, straight to the point, exactly what i'm looking for.
Pure meat, thanks sir.
You're welcome!
Clay, I am amazed at how much you connect common sense examples to explain the uniqueness of the perfect golf swing. These are VERY helpful tips and techniques. THANK YOU!
Much appreciated
I struggle from the top of the backswing into the beginning of the downswing. Was really confused how to drop the club from that point until you explained the door knob. No one has ever explained it like that and it’s so easy to understand now
I’ve been working on shallowing the club for my irons and was crushing the ball on the course yesterday. Absolutely pure with great compression. Sadly, I forgot about “the move” on my driver and 3-wood and was hitting them to the right all day. I didn’t figure that out until the end of the round but shallowing and “the move” are key! I’m a TSG subscriber and it’s changed my game this year! Thanks, Clay!
Great to hear!
Best golf video I've seen in the past two years. And I've seen a bunch. Great job.
Just what I needed, thanks Clay - great instruction as always
Try this!! Thank you for this wonderful explanation. This video helped me finally able to shallow with out felling trapped. Pros. Able to increase swing speed with control, no more chopping over the top. Cons: I have to buy a new net or try to repair LOL! I sent a drive though the net (it’s fairly new)! I will have to add 10-15 yards to all my irons. Gained 8 MPH on my 7 iron swing speed, and fells so Smooth 🤯
Another fabulous instruction video...thanks, Clay.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you for this game changer: I’ve been working on this for simply a week, and it’s improved my ball striking with all my clubs.
Great to hear! Are you by any chance a member of the website?
I enjoyed the subscribe feature without wasting teaching time. Also, straight to teaching and great explanation. No fluff and the usual you tube back story
Amazing results for me after trying this. Stopped coming in steep and helped rotate my body through to lead the downswing. Better power strike and ball flight.
Glad it helped so much. Keep up the good work!
1 year ago I was trying to shove all this knowledge into my head when I was just getting started lol. I'm back now in order to fill the last puzzle piece. I AM JUST AROUND THE CORNER
Hope this helps! Let me know how it goes 👍
I played division 1 golf but took a break from the game for a while. Did this move unknowingly last year and I played the best golf of my life. Shot 10 rounds between 65-70. This year I’ve gotten steep so seeing this video reminded me of what I need to focus on. Thanks for the help
Glad it helped!
Great video Clay 👍. Well done on breaking the rotation part down
Thanks 👍
Clay thanks for your golf videos. I have been trying to shallow which in my time was known as flat. When I exaggerate the flat backswing as you describe I hit the driver perfectly. The clubs squares automatically. However when I do not exaggerate the results are mixed.
Thanks for sharing! Best of luck!
I tried this at the range today and it’s definitely made a difference. I’m hitting my drives much purer and straighter. Thanks!
Glad it helped!
Great tip Clay..tq
Thanks added distance and pretty simple !
Glad it helped! Keep up the good work!
You are the best teacher ever. ❤
Wow, thank you!
Awesome content Clay
I’m playing 18 with my dad in a few hours and I was literally just thinking about shallowing the club. Get out of my head Ballard! And thank you.
Haha...you're welcome
Awesome video, got some great information 👍
Question - is shallowing the club important for pitches between 30 and 80 metres, when typically they are more "feel" shots rather than shots where you need to maximise power and "get into the slot"?
Brilliant Drill. Hitting the ball on the inside or on plane now. Great. Thank you
Glad to help
Just signed up to the TSG system, confident of great results. 💪🏽⛳
Great to hear!
Absolutely the best video ever on how to shallow the club! Went outside and tried it and it was so simple to duplicate. Thank you, CLay!
How’d it go 9mo later? Still over the top or striping it? 🤠
Good morning Clay. First time for me responding on You Tube. I can't believe how much your instruction has helped me so far. I have one question about take away that I haven't heard asked or addressed and is very difficult or me to do. Keeping my lead arm straight during my take away and how do I take it back a little further to get more of a full swing??
Such a great video man
Thanks a bunch!
A game changer!!!
Hope it helps!
Another great vid!
Glad you enjoyed!
It’s the Clay Ballet- elegant solutions to ugly problems!
Haha, thanks!
Keep these coming. Repeat repeat repeat. Appreciate this training.
Will do!
Clay you’re the best. You are the only pro I watch and I’ve tried many
Thanks!
Nice video. Good stuff
Appreciate it!
Hey Clay, I know that you mention in the video that the result of the swing is not of primary concern when doing this drill, but is there a certain result that should happen more often if you use the proper technique?
This was my exact problem. It either hooks left or shoots off to the right. I'm doing this drill tomorrow at the range -- thanks!
My pleasure!
Great video! I have been working on shallowing the club for a while. I have struggled to say the least. I was missing one thing. I need to have the trail elbow lead. The more I thought about it , the one thing began to make sense to me that the reason you want to shallow the club is to have the trail elbow in a position to lead into the swing! If you lay the club down you elbow automatically gets into proper position to lead into the swing.
Thanks for watching! Glad it helped!
Any tips on how to keep from hitting everything off the toe when practicing this drill, Clay? And is mine a common problem when trying to shallow the swing plane?
Unbelievable, I was just thinking 'how do I shallow?' and this vid pops up!
Hope it helps.
Clay good video! Lot of your videos talk about creating lag I had a lesson on track man that indicated I was dragging the handle to much coming in to steep though I was not over the top causing pop ups off the crown and low ball flight the instructor had no fix other than kept telling me you have to release. Do you have a video or suggestions for this. Thx
Clay, I've been viewing the 20 Minute Shallowing Fix on TopSpeed Golf. Great video series. My question is this: I believe Trackman will show one's Dynamic Loft, which would give one a measure of the amount of shaft lean at impact as Club Loft minus Dynamic Loft = Degrees of Shaft Lean. We players cannot afford a Trackman. My portable launch monitor shows Launch Angle. Mine typically shows 20 degrees launch with a 33-degree 7h. Can I estimate the amount of shaft lean I'm getting from the Launch Angle measurement. I'd like to know how much actual shaft lean I'm getting. Thanks! Enjoy your content and TopSpeed Golf.
It is crazy how my body instinctively feels like turning when I do this! I am hitting more hooks but I feel like I'm on the right track. Makes me wonder how Dustin Johnson naturally hits fades with this. Thanks Clay!
Open your stance relative to the target and you will start hitting cuts and mini fades
@@hughjass3434 Thanks, I'll try it!
I have a love/hate relationship with this video. Love the drill to exaggerate shallowing. Hate the manipulation of the hands to square the face and prevent hitting it right. Much easier is to take a stronger grip or (same thing) close the face slightly at address. At that point you don’t have to think about manipulating the hands anymore and can focus on the shallowing element…which allows you to introduce it much faster into your game without destroying your scores. Just my humble opinion. Thanks for the video!
You're welcome!
Hi clay, What pro would you say would be a good person to emulate as far as positioning? Collin Morikawa has more of a pronounced bowed wrist than you but I see a lot of similarities. Just wondering who you try to emulate your swing after? Love your videos and tips they’ve helped a ton!
Hi guys. I've been unable to correct my OTT swing for many years. I've known about the correct position of the right elbow during transition but up until now have not been able to execute it under playing conditions because of my ingrained faulty downswing . Should the inflatable ball swing drill done repeatedly help???
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This has changed my swing . Thanks for a great lesson
My pleasure!
Great video!
I began incorperating a steep backswing, coursing the ball going instantly to the right!
Thought it was my wrist twisting the clubface out of position...
This is a big step in the right direction!
Glad it helped!
He drives me crazy how he wants to do is to give you a bunch of reasons to watch his videos. What a pontificator!
You mean he doesn't take his time, expertise, and expenses to produce helpful videos just so you can get everything for free? Oh the horror...
Yea, I try to feel like I'm letting the club almost fall to the ground at the top of backswing to get the "flattening" feeling and then from there everything comes naturally.
i’m working on shallowing the club out, but i’m also fighting a pull hook. is there a certain move to shallow the club but also promote a baby fade?
gonna give this a try, then I'll let u know
Do you believe you should get shallow with every club? Or would you stop at like 8 iron or something like that since 9 and up are pretty steep initially and on plane for those clubs isn't very shallow?
How can I apply this to my irons? To be more specific, with this video just being with driver, is there another key when it comes to an iron?
No, it's the exact same move with irons.
Hi Clay, i enjoy your instructional videos. What do you think of the 1plane swing. Where it is flatter going back, but there should be no need to drop the club into the slot on the downswing, because the club should already be there, because you swing back less steep ? Theoretically, no adjustments needed on the downswing? Ty
Hi, it has it's benefits but it's harder to create speed with a flat swing because you don't have as much space and time to accelerate the club.
@@TopSpeedGolf Thanks for your prompt reply Clay. Interesting, never thought the flatter swing restricted space to generate club head speed. Perhaps its the height of the swing is the swing space you are referring to.
As we know feel is not real. How far down should I feel my hands dropping before starting to rotate? You mention half way down, and in the clip it seems your hands then are between shoulders and waist. Sometimes I feel my hands dropping to waist high before starting to rotate, which makes me fear hitting it fat. Please help
Great video Clay. I've been watching you for years. Here's my question. Some instructors talk about bumping the hips forward before turning the body. If you shallow the club, is it still necessary to bump forward or can you just turn.
Thanks! Most people need to get a little lateral shift. It takes some flexibility to only rotate. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Shallowing the club by slightly bowing my lead hand at the top of the swing has turned my huge slice to a controllable fade that hits centre fairway most of the time.
Great to hear. As long as those hands and club are in the correct position at impact is what matters. Play well!
Clay... are you squaring the face with the motorbike move (rotating the handle to close the face) or with the left hand rising and the right going beneath (like a split-grip drill) to square it? Or is that optional, both can be used? Any benefit to either? I find the motorbike move difficult and easy to overdo to hit pulls and hooks. With the split-grip drill kind of squaring, I find I end up with weight back on the right foot to allow time for the face to square. What's your preferred method?
motorbike
If you practice in this way, the distance will increase! I have tried it 👍
Thanks for sharing!
I've been swinging all wrong for years and trying to change my swing to get in the slot. All these tips and I can barely hit the ball anymore. Do others experience this?
I have a half fused right wrist. Tough for me to bow my wrist down . And I do get me shaft steep on the way down. And advice?
You'll want to shallow the club more by bringing the trail elbow in on the downswing and get some forearm rotation.
Hey Clay,
I am happy to join your annual membership if you fix one thing for me. I know that everyone has to shallow the club and swing in to out to maximize distance and avoid slice. I also have seen most of your free videos of how not to cast club and swing straighter and longer. However after all these videos , I have still not understood one thing.
I am a left handed golfer and i dont know the good role of wrists. Specially how to time the wrist movement in back swing. So far i try to rotate my body first and in midway of my back swing, i push my rear wrist more towards shoulder and this adds extra yards to my shots and also i feel like i shallow the club better however it is very inconsistent (50%) I cant find any good videos on this and i see most tour players caulk their wrists to make a power move.
I unfortunately am inconsistent because of this.
Can you help?
We have a program on our website called The Move that covers what you're trying to do. The idea is to get the club on plane and square as soon as possible. The easiest way to do that is to shallow the club as much as possible and close the face as much as possible. We do offer a 100% money back satisfaction so if you don't like your membership then request a refund and we'll take care of it for you. If you're ready to purchase the membership, just use the quick link below because you can sign up in about 1 minute: topspeedgolf.com/pick-all-access-plan/ Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Question: I know it depends on the individual but should forward and backswing club paths be on the same general plane? Does shallowing change this plane. I try to visualize a single swing circle which I follow throughout. I'm not sure if that's even the goal, or what. Thanks for the tip
There's one-plane and two-plane swings. The two-plane swing has more potential for speed since it's a longer arc and the club travels a longer distance. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
What model Nike shoes are these?
How do you combine shallowing with half swings. where you have to reduce the rotation?
Shallowing is just getting the club on plane. You may not need to do it in a short swing because the club is likely already on plane.
@@TopSpeedGolf Thanks for the quick answer - seems reasonable!
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I find this really uncomfortable for my wrists, very strange feeling and difficult for me to master. I shoot a lot of balls off to the right and am not confident I could reproduce this on the course. Is this a good drill to do using an impact bag?
I would think so, any way you can gain the "feel" of shallowing and then trying to transition your swing into hitting real balls would be good practice!
Sure, you could use an impact bag. I would expect this to take a lot of reps and practice before doing it well on the course especially if you're not comfortable with it right now. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Another short question: Looking at Pros (slow motion recording). they perform the wrist flexion to close the club face in the late phase of the downswing. Any suggestion for training this and the timing? Such as a transition form "do it right at the start of the swing first" to "try doing it until you find the right point of time"?
Pros do it at a lot of different times but usually it's best in the very start of the downswing. The Tennis Racket Drill mentioned at the end of this video is a good one.
Has anyone continued too do this and have great success? Also if your an open club face player is it worth fixing that befote learning this!
I believe this overcomplicates things for the golfer with average athletic ability because one opens the club face and then closes it. Rather, if I keep my left arm fairly straight going back my right will pull the club beneath the swing plane when I start down. I will concede that I bow the left wrist a little (rotate to the left) going back but that's it.
if we want a shallow plane , why not just backswing with shallow plane? but backswing has to be more vertical?
You can have success with a shallow backswing which translates into a single-plane swing. The downside to this type of swing is the total arc is shorter so the total potential for power and speed is mitigated. Play well! Nate | TSG Instructor
Hello Clay, I watch your vids exclusively mainly becus I prefer to learn 1 technique and you are very knowledgeable. I am having a terrible time with slicing and have tried several of your pointers however nothing seems to work . It did help to increase the distance of my backswing. I am a senior player but still a bit athletic in that I can twist a fair amount. Having a difficult time correcting a slightly outside in at contact., which I believe is causing the majority of my slice. I powder my driver and most contact area is on the heal end. I have some vids but not to sure how to send them.
Hi Ken, I would recommend this video to fix your slice: ua-cam.com/video/gKm70t__xOg/v-deo.html. Film yourself too. Feel is often not real.
Does not shallowing cause a fat shot? Thanks!
It can if you don't get a proper weight shift and release the club properly
Thanks Clay for your great videos. RE shallowing, take it from me its plenty easy to shallow the club and still come over the top. I have been doing it for years. The missing piece here in my experience is the left shoulder. If you look at Dustin Johnson, he opens his hips and chest a ton by the time of impact. Shallowing the club will NOT by itself prevent an over the top move when the body is opened so dramatically coming down into the ball. What DJ appears to do on his downswing is to push his left shoulder towards the target line, and this is how is he able to both open up his chest AND not come over the top. By keeping the left shoulder from rotating around the body too early, he can't come over the top. So by all means folks shallow the club. But also work to prevent your left shoulder rotating around so early that you send everything over the top.
Thanks for sharing!
What shaft on that driver?
PING Tour X-Stiff
What if I pretend the golf ball is a multi colored beach ball and I try and put a clockwise spin on the beach ball??
I haven't tried it, but it might help.
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I think casting is caused by turning your shoulders toward the target too early in the downswing sequence, not like casting for a fish. I think this confuses new golfers.
Thanks for sharing!
Irons?
Yes
Oh boy... I'm gonna sit that one out ! Too many swing thoughts already...
Thanks for the comment Bob. It's not for everyone. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
@@TopSpeedGolf I just need to work my way up to it!
Mailed this one in huh Clay? ... It's The Year Ovda Vid bro, we understand 😷🍻
I guess you thought he charged too much for a FREE video? If you don’t want to watch a free video, don’t watch it.
First shot in this video you did not shallow the downswing. Quite the opposite actually but at least you are giving the right information on how to do so.
Good vid but maybe tell us why shallowing is important to do
single plane keep it simple tiger does
Thanks for sharing!
Group behind this guy must be furious
Love this drill but I think it’s for lower handicapper. I don’t think people who are shooting 80s or higher have understanding of this drill.
It's not for beginners for sure but I think it can help at many ability levels.
I’ve never understood the release the club. I never felt like there is anything to release
Totally understand that! Here's one of my better videos on the release: ua-cam.com/video/URTIrVQOJJE/v-deo.html
I cover the release more thoroughly for my All Access members in the Straight Line Release course... you can watch the introduction here: topspeedgolf.com/topic/release-introduction/
But the whole course is only available to All Access members. If you like that first video, I'd definitely recommend checking out the membership! If you don't like it, you can get a full refund, no questions asked, within the first 364 days of your membership.
@@TopSpeedGolf I was a member for a few months and worked hard on it but nothing ever clicked or improved. But I’ve got another year of golfing now so maybe I should try again.
Isn't the point of swallowing that you don't need to release the club?... the rotation of the body delivers the club?
Shallow out your swing to find the slot THE MOVE by Clay Ballard, Top Speed Golf
See tennis racket drill topspeedgolf.com/watch-your-free-video-now-move-1-3/?ytvid=_Les2iDOJJo
Tennis Racket Drill is shallow club and hands out from top and gets club into the slot. Right Palm up.
Rotate the left knuckles down to ground or like turning a door knob to the left side or into the ball while releasing or clearing your left side. This takes the face of racket from open to square into a powerful release using the body for speed not hands.
Like going from right palm up to sky (Think Dustin Johnson) to moving or turning left knuckles to the ground while clearing the left side into square position. If your doing this correctly you can hit as hard into that speed bag as you want. This is what Ben Hogan in book Five lessons was trying to say. No one says it better then Clay Ballard.
His “bad example” is way better than my good shots...
We only take the best bad examples 😉
@@TopSpeedGolf I was practicing what I learned from this video today, I think I did pretty well but pulling of a good shallowed golf shot is way harder than it looks. Thanks for the great videos.
cannot get on
Ok where’s the tennis racket drill tho
I have watched way too many pro golf in slo mo and none of them absolutely none of them shallow the club. The club goes on plane back and same plane downswing. I have never ever never seen a video where the club becomes way behind and flat. It's a lie.
And all the LPGA players go back and forth on the same exact plane. Look at Nelly Korda's swing. Straight back and forth on the same plane.
Shallowing out the club is about the center of mass of the club shallowing to the direction of the force applied by the hands. The club can be on any plane and be shallowing. Dustin Johnson shallows the club when he hits is power fades. When you shallow the club, you then need to get the body rotating otherwise you will but too much under the plane. They tested a lot of Tour players and 99% of them shallow the club. One notably that doesn't is Phil Mickelson. Also, most players do bring the club up and down on a similar plane but there are several that don't like Jim Furyk, Matt Wolff, JB Holmes. Play well! Quentin | TSG Instructor
Trying to shallow the club is probably the worst thing that’s ever been out there for amateurs to think about
This is a bad idea....
The club shallows as a reaction, not an action.
If you focus on maintaining relaxed arms, hands, and shoulders through the takeaway and transition (don't tense up through transition, the way so many do, anticipating too early the hit), then as you bump your weight left in transition (just a 60/40 bump left, both feet well connected to the ground and knees flexed same as at set-up), the arms will drop and flatten. Gravity. The "gravity move," as Nicklaus said.
If you do nothing but keep your left arm relaxed, especially (people relax the right sometimes but keep a rigid left, thinking they must forcibly keep it straight as possible), and the shoulders (you will feel an amazing back stretch across the shoulders if you keep them relaxed as possible through transition), bump left (without opening any, leaving hips and shoulders just sort of paralyzed and inactive during that bump), those arms will drop and flatten.
And because the hands and wrists are relaxed, too, they will maintain their full cock with you having to do nothing. You can see the effect in the mirror, or watching a still photo of Hogan in that transitioned state. The telltale result, is you are bumped left, hips and shoulders dead and positioned more or less same as they were top of the backswing, wrists relaxed and fully cooked, and (then here's the sign) the clubhead still and easily the nearest thing to the target.
Except now, versus top of backswing, you are ready to hit. Matters not if clubhead is far and away closest thing to the target top of backswing if in transition you are going to unwind all of that.
If like Jon Rahm or Tony Finau you don't take it that far back, but in transition leave the clubhead pretty much as near the target, you will still have set the clubhead at the start of a long runway, and with all the relaxation necessary to move it quickly down the runway. And you'll crush it.
The relaxation in arms and hands through transition leaves you "ready to hit" and the clubhead still way behind you, that is nearer the target. Compare Hogan (or any good player) where the clubhead is top of backswing and in transition. Arms will have dropped and shallowed while clubhead remains nearly as close to the target as at the top.
But it comes from the bump left and staying relaxed. Not anything active. You don't need a swallowing drill. You need to relax. You taxi the clubhead to the start of the longest possible runway, while leaving yourself relaxed muscles, which are quick muscles. Very quick. Where tense ones are slow.
And once transitioned and ready to hit, do not try to activate the muscles in right arm and hand. It is a "swoosh", an instant from there until the end of your swing, and where centrifugal forces and clubhead are absolutely the heaviest. You would need a massively strong right arm to do that. Do teenage kids, or women on the LPGA like Nelly Korda (who hits it 270+) have a massive right arm? No! Because that's not how you get the club through the ball. You use the ground and big muscles. The arm is small muscles. You press hard into the ground with that good connection you have, and use glutes and core and left-side back and left-side shoulder muscles to throw that left shoulder and left hip up and behind you.
And the arms whip through. You keep them relaxed. Maybe an instantaneous little nudge through the ball, like when throwing a ball, but not necessary.
With the shoulders and hip working up and back, the head will respond by staying low and not flying outside, until the ball is gone. That keeps the clubhead low and square a long time, and the ball will compress.
My two cents. Ok, my 25 cents, lol. Sorry for the long comment.
I have an excellent drill for you All you have to do is pay for it and I'll show you
Yeah but your swing doesn't shallow.
Never actually shows the drill.
If you're talking about the Tennis Racket drill at the end then follow the link on the card to see the rest.
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These videos mean little to nothing with out posting a students before and after swing....
Thanks for sharing!