Thank you Stefan. Hopefully the comparison is fair. The person sending the saws out was probably limited but knew what materials I would cut. Last summer there were many videos of Evolution saws, sent as demos as Home Depot started to stock them. Of those who received saws, I probably have the smallest channel, so I was excited to get noticed, and wish the review was more positive. Good news is the local Makerspace will receive a donation. The highspeed video of machining operations is pretty fascinating and I'm slowly building up a collection. I'm limited by light and particularly by save time - an eight second clip takes what feels like 30 minutes or so to save. And somehow I need to protect the camera from chips, the camera is pretty sketchy to use right now around the mill. Best wishes, Kent
Hi Kent, thanks for doing the review. 2 things however, the specs stated are that the multipurpose blade supplied should not cut mild steel or aluminium stock thicker than 6mm or 1/4". The blade is not rated for the aluminium stock you are cutting so not surprising it isn't suitable for the job and binds badly - it's a multi-material blade so the tooth configuration designed for wood, plastics etc too - it's going to be a compromise in some areas and not suitable for the large steel stock that ChuckE2009 cuts in his video as a specialist steel only blade would perform. Also the price is $187 in Depot, the amazon price more expensive. Lastly worth mentioning that galvanized steels, cast iron or stainless steel should not be cut used the multi-purpose blade, only mild steel within the rated specs. Thanks
Thank you for the clarification and the opportunity to do the review. Sure enough, the blade is clearly marked, in multiple languages, that it's only for use on aluminum and steel up to 1/4", sorry to have missed that. Before I received the saw, I asked about derating for solids and then went months with the Rage2 performing well, but as luck was, I was only working with thinner aluminum. The blade labeling provides word of authoritative that if one is cutting materials like I showed, one should step up to the EvoSaw380. The price difference between the two saws, after adding a new blade to the Rage2, puts them so close in price, then add the superior base of the EvoSaw380, and the choice should be easy, at least that was the conclusion of my review. Finally, I did find the Rage2 on your website under the BUILD section. Here is the direct link for those wanting it. www.evolutionpowertools.com/us/build/chopsaws/rage2/
Bought the dewalt, has an extra clamp on it for larger stock. My only gripe is setting angle could be more precise, and I’ve heard some people say their saw doesn’t cut square, but I can use an angle finder to double check them. Blade is SHARP and cuts through 6” beams amazingly.
When it comes time to sharpen the blade, I found my local wood worker store can send the blades out for sharpening on a cnc sharpener for $25US. Hopefully you have a similar service nearby. I wonder if people saying their saw does not cut square might be pressing too hard. Thank you
Kent VanderVelden good comments. Only thing I could think of is the mounting may not be perpendicular, and shimming the saw mount to the base may help those who have had issues
Very thorough and detailed comparative analysis. Thank you for taking the time to do this and for sharing your results. I, too, mainly work with aluminum. This makes the decision easy. Cheers.
I have only used the Evolution saw (it was what I could afford, and fit in my apartment) and can say the aluminum blades do a much better job at minimizing chip weld, but you do still have to give it a break between cuts as the blade isn't cooled. I learned the hard way when ripping through a bunch of 1"x5" aluminum and it cost me a blade. I mostly use my horizontal bandsaw now and have considered getting rid of the Evolution saw to clear up bench space, but having a chop saw comes in real handy sometimes.
Hi Kent I also have the Rage2 and it works great for most aluminium cutting but it will clog on the thicker pieces. I found pecking gently into the cut can help as you are creating a bit more clearance for the chip. I stop as soon as I can hear a tooth has blocked and clean it. On very rare occasions the start up has tripped the breaker but it is usually fine. Not sure if it helps but I pull the trigger quickly and firmly to reduce arcing in the switch. Overall though I'm still happy with it as it is much quicker than cutting by hand. I'll look into the other blade you mention. Thanks for the video.
Good to know. I wish Evolution would have sent the aluminum specific blade as I'm sure that would solve the problem. Cutting by hand... the 2.5" steel round I showed in the video I cut with a hacksaw before having any power saw. 15 minutes to cut and something like 500 thou to face on the lathe... :)
Add an extension cord to prevent start up breaker tripping. Don’t know exactly why it works but it does! I think the extension cord spreads out the initial electrical hit just enough to prevent the tripping of the breaker.
For what it's worth I received the Evo380 15" yesterday and the design has changed from what you show here. The clamp is different. The blade sent with my unit was a steel cutting blade and not a multi-purpose. Thanks for doing the vid.
For the video I showed an Evolution Rage2. The Evo380 is much more substantial and has nice cast iron base which is machined flat, which is what I assume you received. I'll do a review on it soon. You also asked about other blades. I don't know availability for all, but the Evo380 came with a blade for steel and I also received a blade for aluminum, so at least these are available. Both are "Made in Japan."
I just offered up some insights on it since I received it after I posted the message and did some test cuts. I think you'll enjoy the new evo380 but i'll be interested to see how it compares to your preferred Dewalt. It's hard to get a fair comparison using blades that aren't meant for the given task but I understand the expense aspect of it since it's for testing only. I would have hoped that Evo would have supplied you with a proper blade for your test. The Evo380 doesn't come with a 15" blade but it didn't stop me from cutting anything so far. I'll be ordering a blade for aluminum cutting soon enough. Waiting on money for that.
Great comparison. I like the root cause analysis and the high speed photography, as well as the answers regarding lubricants. Have you considered offering up R & D services to these manufacturers? For cost effective solutions for cutting extruded T-slot aluminum, a 10" generic woodworking slide saw and a Diablo 10" 84 tooth nonferrous blade ($60) has functioned well. A table saw and a radial arm saw with the same blade has also worked well. The Diablo 12" 96 tooth version ($65) looks promising as well. These solutions would not work for ferrous materials of course. It would be interesting to see the slow motion chip pattern on these blades with your scientific approach.
Many thanks. I should make a collection of machining slow motion videos and connect them with machining theory or machine analysis. Please let me know if you have suggestions.
Any time you cut or drill aluminium is much softer . Slow down when drilling or cutting. I now the evo does not have a variable speed. A blade for cutting wood is just as good. The blade on that evo is designed to cut steel. Heat is the Enemy on aluminum.
im cutting aluminium on a woodworking drop saw, much better clamping and much bigger reach. and they are cheap. i tried few and i can tell that the biggest difference is when you have dull or sharp blade. with a dull i tried to cut 16mm plate and it was taking 10 min, but when i change to new blade it went in few seconds, without any effort. have you considered switching blades on them evo to dewalt and opposite?
Hi Piotr. When I had a large bandsaw that would cut steel, I used a sliding compound miter saw, like you are using, to cut aluminum, but after moving and minimizing, I got the DeWalt, which was only option at that price, so I could cut both, but not quite as large. The compound saw, with a Freud aluminum cutting blade, would cut 330mm wide stuff by 25mm thick. These two saws in the video cut up to something like 150mm. I'm sure the Rage2 could be made to work, it's just an engine spinning a blade, but the modifications need to be considered when buying the saw... and then one might as well get a saw that comes with a proper blade, so maybe the EvoSaw380 or DeWalt. I wanted to compare out of the box, no modifications. Like you said, for aluminum only it's really hard to beat the drop saws and someone else was saying they use a table saw. For occasional steel, maybe the drop saw with carbide blade and good clamping would also be OK? I've not done that. Anyway, I only have room for one saw, so... one gets donated :) I'll send you a picture of the mess that is my shop today, some stuff needs to go. Best wishes, Kent
thank you for the extended explanation :) I guess i limited my self by cutting only aluminium and forget that some people might want to cut steel as well :) space is also a big factor. like 4 times less space. I will wait for the pics ;)
My dad only entirely works with steel and asks me why anyone would ever work with aluminum... after trying my hand at TIG welding... I see some truth but more a challenge :)
Great vid! I have the Rage 2 as well.....and you're right.....that blade gets packed up badly! I may have the other blade you're talking about. I just bought 6/10 pitch blades for my 7x12 bandsaw. After unsuccessfully trying to cut thick stock with the rage2, I use the bandsaw. I like that I can do other things while it's cutting....and it's quieter.....not as messy.....better cut. I've got a lot of thick stock to cut in the next couple of days. If I have that other blade, I'll see if I can give it a try.
Thanks Mike. Glad to hear I'm not the only person experiencing the problem, so the conclusion is probably fair. I like bandsaws, and used to have two when we lived in the country, but gave them away when we moved, anbd kept the abused HF sliding compound saw, which was pretty awesome because I could cut 13" wide stock with it, with complete disregard to safety. I've been thinking of moving all the stock to the garage and getting a new horizontal bandsaw. I remember your saw video. Yours had sat in box for a while too if I remember correctly. Let me know how the other blade works if you have it. I plan to give my Rage2 to the local Makerspace, and it would be nice to have a solution for them if they want to do the one thing the Rage2 does not do well. Best wishes, Kent
I've cut AL stock with my handheld circular saw and not had a problem with the teeth filling up....it's purely the blade design. .....I just went and looked.....I have a 2nd blade, identical to the original :( ...and another that says steel only.....but it has a better tooth design like your dewault. Maybe I'll try the steel blade on the thicker aluminum. It's hard to justify the time to mess with it when I know the bandsaw will do exactly what I need. LOL That's awesome that you're donating it to the makerspace!! I have no clue if there's one around here or not. I'm sure the dewault blade will work on the rage 2.....so having the saw would still save them a lot of $'s!!
Need to tip the balance more towards metal working and way from 3d printing at the makerspace :) Would you consider Tormach's new autofeed bandsaw if you didn't already have a bandsaw? I assume you make a lot of similar cuts.
This is the first I've heard of an auto bandsaw from tormach. lol I just spent about 10 min trying to find info on it. Only seems to be one pic and the same info on a few pages. No demos that I can find. I see a price of around $5k. My 7x12 was under $800 and I have a fairly competent monkey here to run it(me). Since it is basically the same saw I have, I think I'd probably see about converting/upgrading mine for that kind of money. But....I'm not really a power user. I go through spurts. I'll have a lot to cut in the next day or two, but the saw will then sit for weeks....sometimes months before I do any production cutting on it. I've never looked into auto cutting saws before, so it's hard to say if I'd consider tormach's or not. I think they're a great company, with great products.....but.....I got really excited about the slant bed lathe when they were first were talking about specs. Then when it came out, the specs were a bit of a let down from what was being purposed. It's still way better than anything I have access to, but I'm not sure I'd spend that much money on something that will only get me about half way to where I want to be. We'll see what the future holds. :)
Good review. The real issue here seems not to be a saw issue but a blade issue. The real weakness between both saws is the clamping, it seems the Evo saw solves this problem. So now its between duty cycles, watts, amps and speeds?
If I would have swapped the blades these saws would be pretty much equal. I tried to compare out-of-the-box experience because the blades are costly. The Evo380 is a step up. I've been testing it and it's more rigid and heavier than either of these and that's noticable in the vibration and the final cut. My use case, cutting thick stock for machining, may actually be an offlabel use for saws perhaps meant for rebar and tubing? That may be related to clamping system too.
Right, this is mostly a comparison of the blades. Maybe the DeWalt is a little nicer, and the Evo let expensive, but they are close. And if you need to buy a second blade, they get closer. Evolution did send another blade and it works perfectly. I need to follow up about all of this. If I was starting all over, I'd go with the EVO380.
I've never seen that, but may be possible, be safe. Piece would be carried away from operator, unlike kickback on a table saw where the piece becomes a bullet heading towards the operator. Interesting question.
Thanks for the review. Your using the saw to do exactly what I would be using it for........ feeding my mill. My local material supplier charges on average $1 per cut. A saw is much needed in my shop and probably could have paid for itself 1000 times over by now. 🙄 Have you tried the aluminum blade in the rage yet or just stuck with the dewalt?
Replacing the stock Rage2 blade would be fine. If you're going to buy both the Rage2 and an Evolution blade, consider the Evo380, which is likely to work out of the box and is a more rigid saw. I've been using the Evo380 since this video and have not used the other two saws. A band saw is pretty useful too, for avoiding milling a lot of extra metal. Best of success!
Kent VanderVelden Thanks front quick reply. Yes the EVO380 was what I was thinking anyway. Just wanted to see if you tried the aluminum blade at all VS any of the stock blades. Thanks again.
Left the stock steel specific blade on since I do cut some steel. I do have an aluminum specific blade. When the stock blade finally needs sharpening ($25 locally) then I'll install the other blade. The stock blade will get one started. Hope this helps
That's crazy! I have been using an Evo380 since this video. Pretty happy with it, might have the same problem, but cutting stock for mill and lathe I've never needed to move the fence. Thanks for the heads up.
@@kentvandervelden Yea, I discovered this while hacking through some STAINLESS 1.5" square tube. The vibration of the saw coupled to the Y axis clamping into the angled fence makes the clamp essentially "hammer" the material to +XY. This then DESTROYED the carbides on my blade as it flexed it. Had to reset the angle of the fence every, single, cut. Dewalt really screwed the pooch on this design.
It looks like the Dewalt now has an additional hold down clamp on the base, not shown on your saw. any feedback on this new addition to the saw??? Thanks Dave
Hi Dave, I should have mentioned the hold-down clamp. It's used if the work piece is engaging the blade on the upstroke to prevent lift off. I perhaps don't not use it all the time and probably get away with it because I nearly always only cut solids. Regardless, follow the manual. The clamp has been around for a while. I bought the saw May 2016 off Amazon and the saw came with the hold-down clamp. If you do get a carbide tooth chop saw, look around for a sharpening service. The work working store near me has a guy who collects and resharpens saw blades. The DW872 blade costs ~$25 to sharpen.
Thanks for getting back so quickly to me! I looked it up after posting the question. Dewalt says it's a pipe set up in their literature. I use several different saws in the shop. I like the Dewalt for the cam lock instead of having to hand loosen bolts or set screws to swing an angle on the fence, s found on many of this saws. I've never been able to sharpen a blade- teeth blow off before the point of ever dulling. Probably the operators fault! Users should be aware that cutting small diameter stock with these type of saws often results in the cut off portions blowing across the shop!! Dave
Are they slamming the saw down too fast? On small potential projectile material a slow feed has worked fine for me. I've not lost a tooth on the Dewalt blade, but certainly did when I (mis)used a sliding compound saw. For reference, if not too many teeth are lost, the local service charges $2.5 a tooth for replacement. Hope something here was useful.
Do you mean the Evolution blades with orange vs. blue labels? The orange-label blade is a multi-material blade. It's standard on the Rage2 and has a seemingly limiting tooth pattern, perhaps it's to limit feed-rate. In my video, this pattern seemed to be responsible for the poor performance with aluminum. The blue-label blade is optimized for steel, has a more traditional tooth pattern, and is standard on the Evo380. While optimized for steel, I've been using one with aluminum successfully. Perhaps there's a little performance loss compared with the aluminum optimized blade, but the blue-label blade seemed a better compromise for cutting steel and aluminum than the multi-cutter blade. Hope this helps. Have a wonderful day!
Hay que ver calidad precio también. Aquí en mexico la Dewalt ronda entre los 6000 a 8000 pesos y la evolution ronda entre los 11000 a 13000 pesos mexicanos.
Check out my most recent video: goo.gl/Jj7cU1 Evolution kindly sent a Rage2 saw for review and upfront it's half the price of the DeWalt saw. However, for cutting aluminum, with the thickness that I show, replace the Rage 2 blade with an aluminum specific one, or go with the Evo380 or DeWalt.
One blade for steel and another for aluminum? No idea. I have a couple blades to have a spare. My guess is that any place that is high production would have more rigid saws where time savings would come from not having to clean up the cut.
How well do these circular saws perform in cutting 45°? I have the Evolution Rage4 (the smaller version), but in my experience it never cuts at 45° perfectly. Even a straight 90° is off by at least one degree. Is that a circular saw problem in general?
There's another comment saying that the DeWalt does poorly at 45 degree. In his case, the fence slips, the material grabs, and inserts break. I don't have any experience with it since I only use the saw for roughing for the mill and lathe. It's an interesting problem. I've since been using an Evo380, am happy with it, but only cut square. Wish I could be of more help.
Yeah that rage blade sucks, the saw itself is pretty good. I own a 380 so dodged the rage blade. Returned the Rage2 because I could get the 380 for the combined price of a new good blade and the Rage2. I had the Rage2 within the return window so lucked out there.
Very informative... Thanks! Just curios, if you were setting up a new hobbyist metal shop would you use one of these metal saws or something like a 6" metal band saw?
Without hesitation: bandsaw and an angle grinder. I've had both the 6 and 12" Harbor Freight horizontal bandsaws. The 12", on sale, is especially nice. Angle grinder is very versatile for cutting and shaping and can cut hard metals.
@@kentvandervelden Thanks Kent... Just to be sure we are on the same page, you would get a bandsaw over the Evosaw or Dewalt for your first metal cutting tools. I am not sure if I was clear with my previous question.
@@joels4208 Assuming the saw is mostly sationary: If I only had space for a 6" band saw I would probably lean towards the Evo380. If I could find space for the 12" bandsaw, then the choice is easily the band saw. The increased cost of the 12" over the cold cut saws will be recaptured by lower operating cost. And regardless of saw, save your blade by cutting hard metals with an angle grinder. Also, using a horizontal band saw in a vertical orientation does not work well, at least on the saws that I had. Hope this helps.
@@kentvandervelden Thanks... That is very helpful... I have been deliberating between the EVO380 and a 6" band saw. It is hard to hard to identify the pros and cons of each if you have never used either. Thanks again... Richard
@@joels4208 If mostly cutting aluminum, I used a sliding miter saw with a blade for aluminum for years. Less rigid than the Evo and Dewalt, but inexpensive capacity. Ware a face shield to protect yourself from flying carbide. The Evo380's capacity to cut 6" is often less than 6", depending on the depth. I've cut aluminum plate on table saw and circular saw, but seems kinda sketchy (What would kickback be like?) I've now dumped all my saw knowledge and opinions :)
The Rage 2 would do much better. An Evolution aluminum cutting blade or DeWalt blade would solve the problems I had. I was trying to compare the saws out of the box. The blade the Rage 2 comes with does cut steel fine. The replacement blades are expensive but can be sharpened. I get mine sharpened for $25US. If buying a new Rage2 plus blade, give serious thought to the Evo 380.
I'm pretty sure yes, and the Evolution blades, which there are many, on the DeWalt. You'd need to double check the arbor size, but I did check this at some point. The video was comparing the saws for over purpose out of the box. If buying one today, I'd get the Evo 380.
If you only cut aluminum and never harder metals then a wood chop saw is CHEAPER< FASTER and Better for cutting aluminum. just buy a aluminum blade for it.
Originally I used a sliding compound miter saw with a specialized blade. That setup was fast and accommodated larger cuts, and could be made safe, but like you said only good for aluminum. For large aluminum plates I now use a table saw. Peace
@@kentvandervelden track saw is another option. This is how I cut up 1/4" thick aluminum sheets that are 4x8' size. Then I learned my aluminum supplier has a giant shear and would of cut up the sheet any size I wanted for free, and shipped locally for $10 truck fee.
@@kentvandervelden I have a bandsaw that can also go vertical. The best part is starting the cut and leaving it. Pretty happy with that. Made In Poland made a adjustable saw using the Evolution blade and it turned out very well made. Worth checking out.
Диски не имеют одинаковых показателей, ни по назначению, ни по количеству зубов. Сравните равнозначные store.evolutionpowertools.com/collections/blades/products/14-mild-steel-tct-blade
Thank you, you are correct that the blades are different so that the saws are not optimized for a head-to-head comparison. But the goal of this comparison was out of the box performance, for people unable to purchase an additional blade. The conclusion was, after purchasing a new blade, one is close to the cost of the more expensive saw. Hope this helps.
Я вас понял. Но все таки правильнее вашу пилу DeWalt сравнивать с пилой EwoSaw 355. На пиле Rege2 стоит изначально проигрышный диск, который в Evolution несколько приукрасили реальными возможностями)
No, I said that I could not afford a new blade for the review, the DeWalt blade is 18 months old, and the Rage2 is 6 months old. Regardless of age, the DeWalt is has seen much more use. While it's not shown, I exclusively use the Evo380 now. Glad to answer any questions.
Thanks, there were a lot of suggestions for more tests. More importantly, I have good memories of working on an RV9 that I sold when I returned to school. Then life happened and never got back into it. I miss flying a lot.
Others have shared a similar suggestion. However, here the comparison is between two saws, as they are out of the box, for my needs, without purchasing a new blade. I should have been clearer in the video during the description of test and conclusion. If people bought the Rage 2, and had a similar task, they'd be disappointed. The total cost would rise with a a new blade purchase and they may second guess the original purchase. For a different propose, not tested here, they might be happy.
sr el problema de empastamiento en dientes de la sierra , se puede deber a que hay diferentes discos con diferentes cantidad de dientes para diferentes espesores de material a cortar , solo hay que saber el espesor a cortar y la cantidad de dientes que tiene que tener la hoja , ese dato lo da el fabricante de la hoja circular . NO ES QUE LA HOJA NO SIRVA , SINO QUE UD NO SABE QUE CUAL HOJA DE CUANTOS DIENTES DEBE USAR SEGUN EL ESPESOR A CORTAR .
The standard blade has a design that may be too limit the feedrate in soft materials. If the blade was changed, I'm sure all would be fine, but this was a comparison of out-of-the-box experience.
Fair enough, it just seemed bias to me from the beginning. In all fairness this is not even a comparison that should be made. It is an Evolution base model against Dewalts best with prices being half and double. Don't get me wrong as I am shopping but found this comparison unfairly deceiving even though I am favoring the dewalt myself. But The table seems so much more robust on the Comparable evolution.
Evolution did follow up and send two aluminum cutting blades and their Evo380. I've not been able to make a review of them but initial impression is I would lean towards the Evo380 because of the cast iron base and additional blade offerings. As I said in the video too, I think the Rage2 will perform similar to the DeWalt if the blade was replaced, and so Evolution sent two aluminum cutting blades. Sorry if the review seemed biased, I tried my best, again my metric is performance on aluminum since that's mostly what I work with. It's hard man. Realistically, I'm biased towards the DeWalt since I paid $450 or so for it, it's worked well, and don't want to admit there was a better choice. And I'm biased towards Evolution since they reached out and sent the tools to try - DeWalt has never done that. Can't win. Like I said, I've not made the new review, so if there is something that you would like to see, let me know. If I can reasonably do it, I'll do so for you. Have a wonderful Easter!
BTW Doug, I want to express gratitude to you for leaving a comment. Most people would people would just down-vote and not look back, which is of no benefit to the video creator.
Happy to interact, I would not be a person to speak negative and disappear. I believe your review now but think it should be highlighted !! that those are far from comparable units. one is a chevette and the other a corvette but both are chevys. Reviewing this way just serves to downplay one vs the other without proper consideration. Just struck me as unfair.
No, I didn't and really should have. There's a good deal of flex in both these and the Evo. I assumed flex and material expansion was the cause. You make a good suggestion. Thank you
Thanks for not craploading for watchtime and coming to the conclusion right away
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
Thanks for the comparison. The high speed footage provides a nice view of the cutting action.
Thank you Stefan. Hopefully the comparison is fair. The person sending the saws out was probably limited but knew what materials I would cut. Last summer there were many videos of Evolution saws, sent as demos as Home Depot started to stock them. Of those who received saws, I probably have the smallest channel, so I was excited to get noticed, and wish the review was more positive. Good news is the local Makerspace will receive a donation. The highspeed video of machining operations is pretty fascinating and I'm slowly building up a collection. I'm limited by light and particularly by save time - an eight second clip takes what feels like 30 minutes or so to save. And somehow I need to protect the camera from chips, the camera is pretty sketchy to use right now around the mill. Best wishes, Kent
Hi Kent, thanks for doing the review. 2 things however, the specs stated are that the multipurpose blade supplied should not cut mild steel or aluminium stock thicker than 6mm or 1/4". The blade is not rated for the aluminium stock you are cutting so not surprising it isn't suitable for the job and binds badly - it's a multi-material blade so the tooth configuration designed for wood, plastics etc too - it's going to be a compromise in some areas and not suitable for the large steel stock that ChuckE2009 cuts in his video as a specialist steel only blade would perform. Also the price is $187 in Depot, the amazon price more expensive. Lastly worth mentioning that galvanized steels, cast iron or stainless steel should not be cut used the multi-purpose blade, only mild steel within the rated specs. Thanks
Thank you for the clarification and the opportunity to do the review. Sure enough, the blade is clearly marked, in multiple languages, that it's only for use on aluminum and steel up to 1/4", sorry to have missed that. Before I received the saw, I asked about derating for solids and then went months with the Rage2 performing well, but as luck was, I was only working with thinner aluminum. The blade labeling provides word of authoritative that if one is cutting materials like I showed, one should step up to the EvoSaw380. The price difference between the two saws, after adding a new blade to the Rage2, puts them so close in price, then add the superior base of the EvoSaw380, and the choice should be easy, at least that was the conclusion of my review. Finally, I did find the Rage2 on your website under the BUILD section. Here is the direct link for those wanting it. www.evolutionpowertools.com/us/build/chopsaws/rage2/
When will there be more 15 inch blades available for the Evo380? So far there is only steel.
Kent hi. I suggest repeating the test and use the appropriate disc in both devices for the material to be cut. Regards
I have the same problem with aluminum chip build up when cutting aluminum square tubing with 1.5mm thick walls
hi, you can install the blue metal disk on the evolution rage 2 as it has the same revolutions and RPM. thanks
Thanks for the comparison. I love my Dw872.
Hi Jody, it's great to hear from you!
Bought the dewalt, has an extra clamp on it for larger stock. My only gripe is setting angle could be more precise, and I’ve heard some people say their saw doesn’t cut square, but I can use an angle finder to double check them. Blade is SHARP and cuts through 6” beams amazingly.
When it comes time to sharpen the blade, I found my local wood worker store can send the blades out for sharpening on a cnc sharpener for $25US. Hopefully you have a similar service nearby. I wonder if people saying their saw does not cut square might be pressing too hard. Thank you
Kent VanderVelden good comments. Only thing I could think of is the mounting may not be perpendicular, and shimming the saw mount to the base may help those who have had issues
Very thorough and detailed comparative analysis. Thank you for taking the time to do this and for sharing your results. I, too, mainly work with aluminum. This makes the decision easy. Cheers.
I have only used the Evolution saw (it was what I could afford, and fit in my apartment) and can say the aluminum blades do a much better job at minimizing chip weld, but you do still have to give it a break between cuts as the blade isn't cooled. I learned the hard way when ripping through a bunch of 1"x5" aluminum and it cost me a blade. I mostly use my horizontal bandsaw now and have considered getting rid of the Evolution saw to clear up bench space, but having a chop saw comes in real handy sometimes.
Hi Kent
I also have the Rage2 and it works great for most aluminium cutting but it will clog on the thicker pieces. I found pecking gently into the cut can help as you are creating a bit more clearance for the chip. I stop as soon as I can hear a tooth has blocked and clean it. On very rare occasions the start up has tripped the breaker but it is usually fine. Not sure if it helps but I pull the trigger quickly and firmly to reduce arcing in the switch. Overall though I'm still happy with it as it is much quicker than cutting by hand. I'll look into the other blade you mention. Thanks for the video.
Good to know. I wish Evolution would have sent the aluminum specific blade as I'm sure that would solve the problem. Cutting by hand... the 2.5" steel round I showed in the video I cut with a hacksaw before having any power saw. 15 minutes to cut and something like 500 thou to face on the lathe... :)
Add an extension cord to prevent start up breaker tripping. Don’t know exactly why it works but it does! I think the extension cord spreads out the initial electrical hit just enough to prevent the tripping of the breaker.
Thanks, I'll remember that. It's a very cool trick!
Hey! Very good. Excellent slo-mo of the blades. Very helpful video indeed. Good example of getting what you pay for. BobUK.
Thanks Bob :)
For what it's worth I received the Evo380 15" yesterday and the design has changed from what you show here. The clamp is different. The blade sent with my unit was a steel cutting blade and not a multi-purpose. Thanks for doing the vid.
For the video I showed an Evolution Rage2. The Evo380 is much more substantial and has nice cast iron base which is machined flat, which is what I assume you received. I'll do a review on it soon. You also asked about other blades. I don't know availability for all, but the Evo380 came with a blade for steel and I also received a blade for aluminum, so at least these are available. Both are "Made in Japan."
I just offered up some insights on it since I received it after I posted the message and did some test cuts. I think you'll enjoy the new evo380 but i'll be interested to see how it compares to your preferred Dewalt.
It's hard to get a fair comparison using blades that aren't meant for the given task but I understand the expense aspect of it since it's for testing only. I would have hoped that Evo would have supplied you with a proper blade for your test.
The Evo380 doesn't come with a 15" blade but it didn't stop me from cutting anything so far. I'll be ordering a blade for aluminum cutting soon enough. Waiting on money for that.
Great comparison. I like the root cause analysis and the high speed photography, as well as the answers regarding lubricants. Have you considered offering up R & D services to these manufacturers? For cost effective solutions for cutting extruded T-slot aluminum, a 10" generic woodworking slide saw and a Diablo 10" 84 tooth nonferrous blade ($60) has functioned well. A table saw and a radial arm saw with the same blade has also worked well. The Diablo 12" 96 tooth version ($65) looks promising as well. These solutions would not work for ferrous materials of course. It would be interesting to see the slow motion chip pattern on these blades with your scientific approach.
Thanks Rich, you have the actual engineering cred... I'm more of a hobbyist, I think you would be the person to stir up the consulting work for us :)
Really cool slow motion vid. Good review. Thks
Many thanks. I should make a collection of machining slow motion videos and connect them with machining theory or machine analysis. Please let me know if you have suggestions.
Thanks for that video nice job 👍
Appreciate that! Look for a short re-do soon. I've been using the Evo380 for the past year, and would like to summarize them all.
Any time you cut or drill aluminium is much softer .
Slow down when drilling or cutting. I now the evo does not have a variable speed. A blade for cutting wood is just as good.
The blade on that evo is designed to cut steel. Heat is the
Enemy on aluminum.
Thanks for the tips!
im cutting aluminium on a woodworking drop saw, much better clamping and much bigger reach. and they are cheap. i tried few and i can tell that the biggest difference is when you have dull or sharp blade. with a dull i tried to cut 16mm plate and it was taking 10 min, but when i change to new blade it went in few seconds, without any effort. have you considered switching blades on them evo to dewalt and opposite?
Hi Piotr. When I had a large bandsaw that would cut steel, I used a sliding compound miter saw, like you are using, to cut aluminum, but after moving and minimizing, I got the DeWalt, which was only option at that price, so I could cut both, but not quite as large. The compound saw, with a Freud aluminum cutting blade, would cut 330mm wide stuff by 25mm thick. These two saws in the video cut up to something like 150mm. I'm sure the Rage2 could be made to work, it's just an engine spinning a blade, but the modifications need to be considered when buying the saw... and then one might as well get a saw that comes with a proper blade, so maybe the EvoSaw380 or DeWalt. I wanted to compare out of the box, no modifications. Like you said, for aluminum only it's really hard to beat the drop saws and someone else was saying they use a table saw. For occasional steel, maybe the drop saw with carbide blade and good clamping would also be OK? I've not done that. Anyway, I only have room for one saw, so... one gets donated :) I'll send you a picture of the mess that is my shop today, some stuff needs to go. Best wishes, Kent
thank you for the extended explanation :) I guess i limited my self by cutting only aluminium and forget that some people might want to cut steel as well :) space is also a big factor. like 4 times less space. I will wait for the pics ;)
My dad only entirely works with steel and asks me why anyone would ever work with aluminum... after trying my hand at TIG welding... I see some truth but more a challenge :)
Great vid! I have the Rage 2 as well.....and you're right.....that blade gets packed up badly! I may have the other blade you're talking about. I just bought 6/10 pitch blades for my 7x12 bandsaw. After unsuccessfully trying to cut thick stock with the rage2, I use the bandsaw. I like that I can do other things while it's cutting....and it's quieter.....not as messy.....better cut. I've got a lot of thick stock to cut in the next couple of days. If I have that other blade, I'll see if I can give it a try.
Thanks Mike. Glad to hear I'm not the only person experiencing the problem, so the conclusion is probably fair. I like bandsaws, and used to have two when we lived in the country, but gave them away when we moved, anbd kept the abused HF sliding compound saw, which was pretty awesome because I could cut 13" wide stock with it, with complete disregard to safety. I've been thinking of moving all the stock to the garage and getting a new horizontal bandsaw. I remember your saw video. Yours had sat in box for a while too if I remember correctly. Let me know how the other blade works if you have it. I plan to give my Rage2 to the local Makerspace, and it would be nice to have a solution for them if they want to do the one thing the Rage2 does not do well. Best wishes, Kent
I've cut AL stock with my handheld circular saw and not had a problem with the teeth filling up....it's purely the blade design.
.....I just went and looked.....I have a 2nd blade, identical to the original :( ...and another that says steel only.....but it has a better tooth design like your dewault. Maybe I'll try the steel blade on the thicker aluminum. It's hard to justify the time to mess with it when I know the bandsaw will do exactly what I need. LOL
That's awesome that you're donating it to the makerspace!! I have no clue if there's one around here or not. I'm sure the dewault blade will work on the rage 2.....so having the saw would still save them a lot of $'s!!
Need to tip the balance more towards metal working and way from 3d printing at the makerspace :) Would you consider Tormach's new autofeed bandsaw if you didn't already have a bandsaw? I assume you make a lot of similar cuts.
This is the first I've heard of an auto bandsaw from tormach. lol I just spent about 10 min trying to find info on it. Only seems to be one pic and the same info on a few pages. No demos that I can find. I see a price of around $5k. My 7x12 was under $800 and I have a fairly competent monkey here to run it(me). Since it is basically the same saw I have, I think I'd probably see about converting/upgrading mine for that kind of money. But....I'm not really a power user. I go through spurts. I'll have a lot to cut in the next day or two, but the saw will then sit for weeks....sometimes months before I do any production cutting on it. I've never looked into auto cutting saws before, so it's hard to say if I'd consider tormach's or not. I think they're a great company, with great products.....but.....I got really excited about the slant bed lathe when they were first were talking about specs. Then when it came out, the specs were a bit of a let down from what was being purposed. It's still way better than anything I have access to, but I'm not sure I'd spend that much money on something that will only get me about half way to where I want to be. We'll see what the future holds. :)
Good review. The real issue here seems not to be a saw issue but a blade issue. The real weakness between both saws is the clamping, it seems the Evo saw solves this problem. So now its between duty cycles, watts, amps and speeds?
If I would have swapped the blades these saws would be pretty much equal. I tried to compare out-of-the-box experience because the blades are costly. The Evo380 is a step up. I've been testing it and it's more rigid and heavier than either of these and that's noticable in the vibration and the final cut. My use case, cutting thick stock for machining, may actually be an offlabel use for saws perhaps meant for rebar and tubing? That may be related to clamping system too.
The evo is also 1450 rpm vs. 1300 rpm. Did Evolution rush you an aluminum blade when they saw this review?
Right, this is mostly a comparison of the blades. Maybe the DeWalt is a little nicer, and the Evo let expensive, but they are close. And if you need to buy a second blade, they get closer. Evolution did send another blade and it works perfectly. I need to follow up about all of this. If I was starting all over, I'd go with the EVO380.
Isn't there a probability of the cut piece falling against the blade to get thrwn if you cut the piece in vertical?
Seems dangerous!
I've never seen that, but may be possible, be safe. Piece would be carried away from operator, unlike kickback on a table saw where the piece becomes a bullet heading towards the operator. Interesting question.
@@kentvandervelden Yeah but it may crash against a part of the machine and get rejected to you or something :O.
Anyway nice video! :)
Thanks for the review. Your using the saw to do exactly what I would be using it for........ feeding my mill. My local material supplier charges on average $1 per cut. A saw is much needed in my shop and probably could have paid for itself 1000 times over by now. 🙄 Have you tried the aluminum blade in the rage yet or just stuck with the dewalt?
Replacing the stock Rage2 blade would be fine. If you're going to buy both the Rage2 and an Evolution blade, consider the Evo380, which is likely to work out of the box and is a more rigid saw. I've been using the Evo380 since this video and have not used the other two saws. A band saw is pretty useful too, for avoiding milling a lot of extra metal. Best of success!
Kent VanderVelden Thanks front quick reply. Yes the EVO380 was what I was thinking anyway. Just wanted to see if you tried the aluminum blade at all VS any of the stock blades. Thanks again.
Left the stock steel specific blade on since I do cut some steel. I do have an aluminum specific blade. When the stock blade finally needs sharpening ($25 locally) then I'll install the other blade. The stock blade will get one started. Hope this helps
now try 45 degree cuts between the 2. The dewalt fence won't stay @ desired angle, and it will walk the material INTO the blade.
That's crazy! I have been using an Evo380 since this video. Pretty happy with it, might have the same problem, but cutting stock for mill and lathe I've never needed to move the fence. Thanks for the heads up.
@@kentvandervelden Yea, I discovered this while hacking through some STAINLESS 1.5" square tube. The vibration of the saw coupled to the Y axis clamping into the angled fence makes the clamp essentially "hammer" the material to +XY. This then DESTROYED the carbides on my blade as it flexed it. Had to reset the angle of the fence every, single, cut. Dewalt really screwed the pooch on this design.
Use a Walter cool cut stick. Will prevent the build-up between the teeth.
Wonderful! I'll give it a try. I've used a blade wax, meant for bandsaws with some success.
It looks like the Dewalt now has an additional hold down clamp on the base, not shown on your saw.
any feedback on this new addition to the saw???
Thanks Dave
Hi Dave, I should have mentioned the hold-down clamp. It's used if the work piece is engaging the blade on the upstroke to prevent lift off. I perhaps don't not use it all the time and probably get away with it because I nearly always only cut solids. Regardless, follow the manual. The clamp has been around for a while. I bought the saw May 2016 off Amazon and the saw came with the hold-down clamp. If you do get a carbide tooth chop saw, look around for a sharpening service. The work working store near me has a guy who collects and resharpens saw blades. The DW872 blade costs ~$25 to sharpen.
Thanks for getting back so quickly to me! I looked it up after posting the question.
Dewalt says it's a pipe set up in their literature.
I use several different saws in the shop. I like the Dewalt for the cam lock instead of having to hand loosen bolts or set screws to swing an angle on the fence, s found on many of this saws. I've never been able to sharpen a blade- teeth blow off before the point of ever dulling. Probably the operators fault!
Users should be aware that cutting small diameter stock with these type of saws often results in the cut off portions blowing across the shop!!
Dave
Are they slamming the saw down too fast? On small potential projectile material a slow feed has worked fine for me. I've not lost a tooth on the Dewalt blade, but certainly did when I (mis)used a sliding compound saw. For reference, if not too many teeth are lost, the local service charges $2.5 a tooth for replacement. Hope something here was useful.
Oh yea- people treat it like an ax into wood, even when explained about the proper feed rate!
Good videos!
Will the dewalt Blade fit The evolution machine
the evolution blade has between teeths an """anti kickback""" feature
thats reducing the """room"" for chips
What is the difference between the blue and the orange disc?
Do you mean the Evolution blades with orange vs. blue labels? The orange-label blade is a multi-material blade. It's standard on the Rage2 and has a seemingly limiting tooth pattern, perhaps it's to limit feed-rate. In my video, this pattern seemed to be responsible for the poor performance with aluminum. The blue-label blade is optimized for steel, has a more traditional tooth pattern, and is standard on the Evo380. While optimized for steel, I've been using one with aluminum successfully. Perhaps there's a little performance loss compared with the aluminum optimized blade, but the blue-label blade seemed a better compromise for cutting steel and aluminum than the multi-cutter blade. Hope this helps. Have a wonderful day!
Tank you 🇧🇷
Can a Dasamon disc be installed on a Dewalt machine or not?
Hay que ver calidad precio también. Aquí en mexico la Dewalt ronda entre los 6000 a 8000 pesos y la evolution ronda entre los 11000 a 13000 pesos mexicanos.
Wow, that's quite an unexpected price difference. Thank you for mentioning it.
No te preocupes. Si tuviera el dinero me compraría cualquiera de las dos jajaja. Buen video.
Check out my most recent video: goo.gl/Jj7cU1
Evolution kindly sent a Rage2 saw for review and upfront it's half the price of the DeWalt saw. However, for cutting aluminum, with the thickness that I show, replace the Rage 2 blade with an aluminum specific one, or go with the Evo380 or DeWalt.
Do most people who own these saws own several metal-specific blades?
One blade for steel and another for aluminum? No idea. I have a couple blades to have a spare. My guess is that any place that is high production would have more rigid saws where time savings would come from not having to clean up the cut.
How well do these circular saws perform in cutting 45°? I have the Evolution Rage4 (the smaller version), but in my experience it never cuts at 45° perfectly. Even a straight 90° is off by at least one degree. Is that a circular saw problem in general?
There's another comment saying that the DeWalt does poorly at 45 degree. In his case, the fence slips, the material grabs, and inserts break. I don't have any experience with it since I only use the saw for roughing for the mill and lathe. It's an interesting problem. I've since been using an Evo380, am happy with it, but only cut square. Wish I could be of more help.
Yeah that rage blade sucks, the saw itself is pretty good. I own a 380 so dodged the rage blade. Returned the Rage2 because I could get the 380 for the combined price of a new good blade and the Rage2. I had the Rage2 within the return window so lucked out there.
You mentioned the shutter while cutting, did you or did you think to check the run out on either saw. (how true the rotation)
No, and that's a good point. Squareness would be another property to check.
Very informative... Thanks! Just curios, if you were setting up a new hobbyist metal shop would you use one of these metal saws or something like a 6" metal band saw?
Without hesitation: bandsaw and an angle grinder. I've had both the 6 and 12" Harbor Freight horizontal bandsaws. The 12", on sale, is especially nice. Angle grinder is very versatile for cutting and shaping and can cut hard metals.
@@kentvandervelden Thanks Kent... Just to be sure we are on the same page, you would get a bandsaw over the Evosaw or Dewalt for your first metal cutting tools. I am not sure if I was clear with my previous question.
@@joels4208 Assuming the saw is mostly sationary: If I only had space for a 6" band saw I would probably lean towards the Evo380. If I could find space for the 12" bandsaw, then the choice is easily the band saw. The increased cost of the 12" over the cold cut saws will be recaptured by lower operating cost. And regardless of saw, save your blade by cutting hard metals with an angle grinder. Also, using a horizontal band saw in a vertical orientation does not work well, at least on the saws that I had. Hope this helps.
@@kentvandervelden Thanks... That is very helpful... I have been deliberating between the EVO380 and a 6" band saw. It is hard to hard to identify the pros and cons of each if you have never used either. Thanks again... Richard
@@joels4208 If mostly cutting aluminum, I used a sliding miter saw with a blade for aluminum for years. Less rigid than the Evo and Dewalt, but inexpensive capacity. Ware a face shield to protect yourself from flying carbide. The Evo380's capacity to cut 6" is often less than 6", depending on the depth. I've cut aluminum plate on table saw and circular saw, but seems kinda sketchy (What would kickback be like?) I've now dumped all my saw knowledge and opinions :)
how would the rage 2 saw perform if you put the dewalt blade on it?
The Rage 2 would do much better. An Evolution aluminum cutting blade or DeWalt blade would solve the problems I had. I was trying to compare the saws out of the box. The blade the Rage 2 comes with does cut steel fine. The replacement blades are expensive but can be sharpened. I get mine sharpened for $25US. If buying a new Rage2 plus blade, give serious thought to the Evo 380.
Will the Dewalt Blade fit on the evolution saw?
I'm pretty sure yes, and the Evolution blades, which there are many, on the DeWalt. You'd need to double check the arbor size, but I did check this at some point. The video was comparing the saws for over purpose out of the box. If buying one today, I'd get the Evo 380.
Btw a table saw does a great job in aluminum
If you only cut aluminum and never harder metals then a wood chop saw is CHEAPER< FASTER and Better for cutting aluminum. just buy a aluminum blade for it.
Originally I used a sliding compound miter saw with a specialized blade. That setup was fast and accommodated larger cuts, and could be made safe, but like you said only good for aluminum. For large aluminum plates I now use a table saw. Peace
@@kentvandervelden track saw is another option. This is how I cut up 1/4" thick aluminum sheets that are 4x8' size. Then I learned my aluminum supplier has a giant shear and would of cut up the sheet any size I wanted for free, and shipped locally for $10 truck fee.
Bạn cho mình hỏi chút.2 cái máy này chạy điện 110 v.hay220 v vậy.cảm ơn bạn
These are US 120V 60Hz models, but the manual lists international models for 110V or 230-240V 50Hz.
@@kentvandervelden giá trị chiếc máy cắt sắt chạy điện 220 v là bao nhiêu tiền vậy bạn.cảm ơn bạn.tôi đang tìm hiểu và muốn mua để làm ở nhà bạn ơi
@@tudo9466 You'll need to check your local market. I would not know how to otherwise estimate.
If someone sent me down to the saw store, I wouldn't even look at the DeWalt.
:) what would you get instead? I've been considering switching back to a horizontal bandsaw.
@@kentvandervelden I have a bandsaw that can also go vertical. The best part is starting the cut and leaving it. Pretty happy with that. Made In Poland made a adjustable saw using the Evolution blade and it turned out very well made. Worth checking out.
The dewalt is twice the price of the evolution. I would not consider this a fair comparison.
Is evolution evo380 vs dewalt 870 lol.. Rage 2 is gama medium
My rage dose the job nicely
Диски не имеют одинаковых показателей, ни по назначению, ни по количеству зубов. Сравните равнозначные
store.evolutionpowertools.com/collections/blades/products/14-mild-steel-tct-blade
Thank you, you are correct that the blades are different so that the saws are not optimized for a head-to-head comparison. But the goal of this comparison was out of the box performance, for people unable to purchase an additional blade. The conclusion was, after purchasing a new blade, one is close to the cost of the more expensive saw. Hope this helps.
Я вас понял. Но все таки правильнее вашу пилу DeWalt сравнивать с пилой EwoSaw 355. На пиле Rege2 стоит изначально проигрышный диск, который в Evolution несколько приукрасили реальными возможностями)
You said at the beginning that the rage2 had an old blade and the Dewalt had a brand new blade... you can’t make a fair comparison....
No, I said that I could not afford a new blade for the review, the DeWalt blade is 18 months old, and the Rage2 is 6 months old. Regardless of age, the DeWalt is has seen much more use. While it's not shown, I exclusively use the Evo380 now. Glad to answer any questions.
But isn’t everyone a hero in aluminum? Isn’t steel the real test?
Thanks, there were a lot of suggestions for more tests. More importantly, I have good memories of working on an RV9 that I sold when I returned to school. Then life happened and never got back into it. I miss flying a lot.
the evo355 is better!
Pretty good summary.
Wrong title for this video ... this is a blade comparison, not a machine comparison...
Others have shared a similar suggestion. However, here the comparison is between two saws, as they are out of the box, for my needs, without purchasing a new blade. I should have been clearer in the video during the description of test and conclusion. If people bought the Rage 2, and had a similar task, they'd be disappointed. The total cost would rise with a a new blade purchase and they may second guess the original purchase. For a different propose, not tested here, they might be happy.
If you're not comparing side by side why am I watching your video
Sorry, I may not be able to help with your question
Please donate one machine , anyone please as long as as it’s steel blade . Please
sr el problema de empastamiento en dientes de la sierra , se puede deber a que hay diferentes discos con diferentes cantidad de dientes para diferentes espesores de material a cortar , solo hay que saber el espesor a cortar y la cantidad de dientes que tiene que tener la hoja , ese dato lo da el fabricante de la hoja circular . NO ES QUE LA HOJA NO SIRVA , SINO QUE UD NO SABE QUE CUAL HOJA DE CUANTOS DIENTES DEBE USAR SEGUN EL ESPESOR A CORTAR .
The standard blade has a design that may be too limit the feedrate in soft materials. If the blade was changed, I'm sure all would be fine, but this was a comparison of out-of-the-box experience.
Hey any time you touch that blade . The saw should be unplugged.................................. period.
You are so obviously shilling for DeWalt it is nuts. Worthless review.
I bought the DeWalt and Evolution sent me theirs to compare. Sorry the review was not what you were looking for. Still glad to answer any questions.
Fair enough, it just seemed bias to me from the beginning. In all fairness this is not even a comparison that should be made. It is an Evolution base model against Dewalts best with prices being half and double. Don't get me wrong as I am shopping but found this comparison unfairly deceiving even though I am favoring the dewalt myself. But The table seems so much more robust on the Comparable evolution.
Evolution did follow up and send two aluminum cutting blades and their Evo380. I've not been able to make a review of them but initial impression is I would lean towards the Evo380 because of the cast iron base and additional blade offerings. As I said in the video too, I think the Rage2 will perform similar to the DeWalt if the blade was replaced, and so Evolution sent two aluminum cutting blades.
Sorry if the review seemed biased, I tried my best, again my metric is performance on aluminum since that's mostly what I work with. It's hard man. Realistically, I'm biased towards the DeWalt since I paid $450 or so for it, it's worked well, and don't want to admit there was a better choice. And I'm biased towards Evolution since they reached out and sent the tools to try - DeWalt has never done that. Can't win.
Like I said, I've not made the new review, so if there is something that you would like to see, let me know. If I can reasonably do it, I'll do so for you.
Have a wonderful Easter!
BTW Doug, I want to express gratitude to you for leaving a comment. Most people would people would just down-vote and not look back, which is of no benefit to the video creator.
Happy to interact, I would not be a person to speak negative and disappear. I believe your review now but think it should be highlighted !! that those are far from comparable units. one is a chevette and the other a corvette but both are chevys. Reviewing this way just serves to downplay one vs the other without proper consideration. Just struck me as unfair.
You mentioned the shutter while cutting, did you or did you think to check the run out on either saw. (how true the rotation)
No, I didn't and really should have. There's a good deal of flex in both these and the Evo. I assumed flex and material expansion was the cause. You make a good suggestion. Thank you