Hi Scott, I love the photos of the riffle in the River. Great color! I think I like the wider shot that shows more rocks the best though. It gives the scene a sense of place. Just my thought. They are all wonderful!
Hi Rick, thank you so much. Can't beat how Velvia50 does in those conditions! I appreciate the thoughts on the wider view of the river. Most seem to agree with you. Obviously something made me go wider too, even though my first inclination was that tighter view. You have to photograph for yourself but it's also very important to consider the audience and especially when many photographers are saying the same thing, I need to listen so I'm grateful that you added your voice to the conversation.
Find the glow, Scott! You must find the glow! I like the wider shot of the river reflections. As Mr. Thompson notes, the wider view helps give context to the scene. I quite like the Ektar version of the little tributary--very lovely!
Hi Daniel. Thank you very much for these nice comments. I'm trying not to let my 'abstract detail side' get too wounded, sniff sniff since most seem to like the wider view and I'm kind of partial to the tighter view. But seriously, I'm very grateful to know what people think and why, because it helps me make sense of how my approach might change and if we're trying to communicate something then it's very useful to know how the audience feels and what moves them. Hope that all makes sense. Glad you like the little tributary too. I thought the glow on it was very nice.
@@UncleDansVintageVinyl Well...that's very kind Dan, thank you, but I do love the comments and take seriously what people have to say, especially when so many all agree.
Just catching up on your trip Scott. Another very enjoyable watch. Episode 15...Wow. Are you still there?....Just kidding. Keep it going. I love the color palette in the Virgin River close ups...easy on the eye...
Hi Graeme, yeah, it feels like I'm still there. This was my longest trip in many years. A couple times back in the late 90's after I first started going to the southwest I made month long driving trips like this but usually it's just a week, week and a half flying trip. I just mentioned to someone else that even I'm getting tired of watching me. haha. Thanks for the nice comments and putting up with my never ending fall trip! (I really like what I'm seeing from your DV trip btw. Maybe I'll get there next winter...)
Since you asked: I prefer the wide view. It provides a sense of place as well and, for me, has a some emotional content as well. The close up is more of a snapshot that you see all the time. Of course both were beautiful images as were the ones of the curving streams with beautiful reflected colors. Again, I liked the second one best.
Hi Jim, thank you for your thoughtful response. I'm glad to have it. Most commenters do seem to like the wider view and I appreciate your mention of emotional content as I think we all hope to evoke some emotion from the viewers since for so many of us, there is quite a bit of emotion put into the creating of these images and experienced while in the field making them. I'm definitely impacted a bit by all the positive feedback for the wider view, especially since the tighter view was my first (and almost only) approach to this scene. So you all are helping me grow and figure out how best to present what I'm encountering out there!
Glad to see you had some luck in the main canyon! I had the hardest time seeing anything in there. I think most of it was psychological but my shuttle reservation was also late in the morning when the sun was high and the crowds were fierce. Normally everyone rides the bus so hiking between stops you don't see many people but this year with all the bicycles it was hard to get away from everyone. To be honest I'm a little afraid to watch next week's Narrows footage.. haha. I can only imagine what it was like this last year 😣
OMG the bicycles were insane. And most were power assisted which is kinda cool actually but yeah, the bike rental business must have made a killing last year. I don't think my footage will do justice to just how crowded the Narrows was. I actually got two images I'm pretty happy with which I wouldn't have predicted given all the people walking through the shots. Oh and you'll love the drone flying by...
@@ScottWalton I remember wondering to myself what the rental companies are going to do with all the bicycles after the pandemic but it has occurred to me lately that this is probably the new normal.. There was a big news article recently talking about the federal grant Zion NP just got to refresh their bus fleet. Maybe a refit and refresh will help with capacity but the lines at the bus stops have been an issue for some time now, and the bicycles were a big hit so I bet they're around for quite a while
Hi Scott, I really like the crop of the first river reflections. It would even work as a purely abstract image IMO. That scene at the end really has charm and a good story to be told. I can just picture a pair of 12 year old hobos crossing with their bindle and book bag.
Hi Dave, glad you like the tighter view of the river detail. That was my first vision and although many here seem to like the wider view best, I'm still partial to the tighter version. My mother was an abstract impressionist painter so I was raised around abstract imagery which I didn't really understand at the time but now I really value those formative art years and all her paintings that I still have as well as the ones she collected from friends and mentors which are also very abstract.
Great video Scott! I didn't at first, but the more I compared the two I think I like the wider view as well. I'm always drawn to strong diagonals in images for some reason, and the water flow really tracks nicely through the wider scene. And the reflected orange mixing with blue overhead = perfect! Fall was strange last year. Lots of color happened sporadically but a lot of leaves just got dry and fell off without changing.
Thank you Brian. I appreciate knowing those reasons for your preference for sure. I'm really glad I shot that wider view. I almost didn't. It was kind of an after thought. I'm still drawn to the tighter abstract but most here really prefer the wider view so it's helping me to consider things and reflect on how I approach them. I'm quite grateful for everyone here taking the time to add to the conversation about this subject and my presentation of it.
Oh, I forgot to mention that someone else commented on another video that there was a freeze at some point before we arrived and that accounted for the way some of the leaves looked. I also heard there was little rain so things got dry. I'm not sure how it all works but it was strange for sure.
@@ScottWalton I do still like the close view too, it took a while to have a preference either way! Certainly don't let our opinions change your approach! If the close up had a strong diagonal I would have preferred that one more...kind of strange what draws my eye recently but maybe it'll evolve too. And I guess a flash freeze could explain the strange fall. I was surprised to see so many bland crisp green leaves on the ground in late October. Who knows - maybe this coming fall will be a spectacular show!
@@brianbeattyphotography I hope this Fall is great for sure. I'm thinking of staying here in the east and visiting the smokies again. I love the past peak fall color there and haven't been back since I started shooting film again so I'm eager to try capturing some of that good stuff with LF.
The faster the water and also more volume the slower you shutter can be and still get that silky smooth look. I never go above a 1 second exposure because I just don't like the look plus you increase the chance the wind will effect the surrounding leaves etc . Water falls and big rapids I can usually be anywhere from a 15th of a second to a full second. Of course with LF depth of field can be an issue so we are always stopping down which increases time but I find that usually isn't an issue when shooting at F16 or so. Just my 2 cents :)
Hi Terry! Thank you for this. I can remember when I first started in LF and was closely following Fred Picker who did a great job photographing moving water. He always advocated for a 'realistic' look to the water and worked to figure out what shutter speed rendered the water kind of like your eye perceives it. I think it was in the ranges you indicated; definitely less than a second. He often photographed the streams in full sun and always with B&W (often with Tri-X rated around 160), all of which made it MUCH easier to use those faster shutter speeds. This is all harder to do with Velvia 50 in the shade. I could have used Provia for an extra stop though...Oh well. Take care.
@@ScottWalton I know what you mean. I can't even get a non blurry bird with digital. I don't know how Eliot Porter managed back in the day with even slower film!
Thank you Marco! Most seem to agree with your assessment and I really appreciate the perspective. I almost didn't shoot it and given everyone's reactions, now I'm very glad I did!
I prefer the 1.6 sec more of an abstract that I love! I just got another question like always! Do you use filters? And if so what would you recommend for a newbie?
Hi Edwin! Thank you for the kind comment. I love abstracts too! That was my original (and almost exclusive) approach to this subject. I've shot a lot of abstract river details over the years and almost always go tight. I definitely use filters but usually sparingly. I'd say the number one filter to have is a polarizer. You have to be careful to not overdo it because skies can become unnaturally dark and foliage can become dead and lifeless with the complete removal of any highlights but it is a useful too. Beyond that I'd need to know what kinds of subjects you shoot and whether in color or B&W. Feel free to move this conversation to email if you want to chat more about it and have a back and forth, which I'm happy to do.
Thank you Frank. Unless I misspoke somewhere along the line (entirely possible) Kolob was back in Episode 13. I only went there once on this trip. Hope that helps. Do check out that video if you haven’t seen it. I got some nice images in amazing reflected light in Kolob. Take care!
@@ScottWalton Well, I'm old so likely confused. My wife & I have been watching all your videos from this rather lengthy visit, and have enjoyed all of them. I went back and looked and, yes, we saw the video from Kolob, so, again, I think it's me. I appreciate your reply.
@@fairwayfrank Hi Frank. Lengthy is right! Even I'm getting tired of watching me... I'm hoping to cap it at 20 episodes but it might have to be 21. ugh. With over 20 days of photography it was a slog but I had so much fun and found some neat subjects in great conditions so I just couldn't stop. Thanks to you and your wife for watching all those episodes, I really appreciate it!
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Beautiful work, Scott.
Thank you DrB!
Hi Scott,
I love the photos of the riffle in the River. Great color! I think I like the wider shot that shows more rocks the best though. It gives the scene a sense of place. Just my thought. They are all wonderful!
Hi Rick, thank you so much. Can't beat how Velvia50 does in those conditions! I appreciate the thoughts on the wider view of the river. Most seem to agree with you. Obviously something made me go wider too, even though my first inclination was that tighter view. You have to photograph for yourself but it's also very important to consider the audience and especially when many photographers are saying the same thing, I need to listen so I'm grateful that you added your voice to the conversation.
I agree with you about the close up vs. wider view of the river. The first was very pleasant to look at.
Thank you Alan, and thanks for subscribing!
Find the glow, Scott! You must find the glow!
I like the wider shot of the river reflections. As Mr. Thompson notes, the wider view helps give context to the scene.
I quite like the Ektar version of the little tributary--very lovely!
Hi Daniel. Thank you very much for these nice comments. I'm trying not to let my 'abstract detail side' get too wounded, sniff sniff since most seem to like the wider view and I'm kind of partial to the tighter view. But seriously, I'm very grateful to know what people think and why, because it helps me make sense of how my approach might change and if we're trying to communicate something then it's very useful to know how the audience feels and what moves them. Hope that all makes sense. Glad you like the little tributary too. I thought the glow on it was very nice.
@@ScottWalton Keep in mind, good sir, that you're about a million percent more of an artist than I am! So take my comments with a tanker-load of salt!
@@UncleDansVintageVinyl Well...that's very kind Dan, thank you, but I do love the comments and take seriously what people have to say, especially when so many all agree.
Just catching up on your trip Scott. Another very enjoyable watch. Episode 15...Wow. Are you still there?....Just kidding. Keep it going. I love the color palette in the Virgin River close ups...easy on the eye...
Hi Graeme, yeah, it feels like I'm still there. This was my longest trip in many years. A couple times back in the late 90's after I first started going to the southwest I made month long driving trips like this but usually it's just a week, week and a half flying trip. I just mentioned to someone else that even I'm getting tired of watching me. haha. Thanks for the nice comments and putting up with my never ending fall trip! (I really like what I'm seeing from your DV trip btw. Maybe I'll get there next winter...)
Since you asked: I prefer the wide view. It provides a sense of place as well and, for me, has a some emotional content as well. The close up is more of a snapshot that you see all the time. Of course both were beautiful images as were the ones of the curving streams with beautiful reflected colors. Again, I liked the second one best.
Hi Jim, thank you for your thoughtful response. I'm glad to have it. Most commenters do seem to like the wider view and I appreciate your mention of emotional content as I think we all hope to evoke some emotion from the viewers since for so many of us, there is quite a bit of emotion put into the creating of these images and experienced while in the field making them. I'm definitely impacted a bit by all the positive feedback for the wider view, especially since the tighter view was my first (and almost only) approach to this scene. So you all are helping me grow and figure out how best to present what I'm encountering out there!
We're just happy to go along with you on such a great experience.
Glad to see you had some luck in the main canyon! I had the hardest time seeing anything in there. I think most of it was psychological but my shuttle reservation was also late in the morning when the sun was high and the crowds were fierce. Normally everyone rides the bus so hiking between stops you don't see many people but this year with all the bicycles it was hard to get away from everyone. To be honest I'm a little afraid to watch next week's Narrows footage.. haha. I can only imagine what it was like this last year 😣
OMG the bicycles were insane. And most were power assisted which is kinda cool actually but yeah, the bike rental business must have made a killing last year. I don't think my footage will do justice to just how crowded the Narrows was. I actually got two images I'm pretty happy with which I wouldn't have predicted given all the people walking through the shots. Oh and you'll love the drone flying by...
@@ScottWalton I remember wondering to myself what the rental companies are going to do with all the bicycles after the pandemic but it has occurred to me lately that this is probably the new normal.. There was a big news article recently talking about the federal grant Zion NP just got to refresh their bus fleet. Maybe a refit and refresh will help with capacity but the lines at the bus stops have been an issue for some time now, and the bicycles were a big hit so I bet they're around for quite a while
Wide view for me of the river reflections. I prefer the context it gives.
Will keep an eye out for your next video of the 'Narrows'.
Thank you Matthew! Another vote for the wider view. I appreciate knowing what you think about it!
Hi Scott, I really like the crop of the first river reflections. It would even work as a purely abstract image IMO. That scene at the end really has charm and a good story to be told. I can just picture a pair of 12 year old hobos crossing with their bindle and book bag.
Hi Dave, glad you like the tighter view of the river detail. That was my first vision and although many here seem to like the wider view best, I'm still partial to the tighter version. My mother was an abstract impressionist painter so I was raised around abstract imagery which I didn't really understand at the time but now I really value those formative art years and all her paintings that I still have as well as the ones she collected from friends and mentors which are also very abstract.
Great video Scott! I didn't at first, but the more I compared the two I think I like the wider view as well. I'm always drawn to strong diagonals in images for some reason, and the water flow really tracks nicely through the wider scene. And the reflected orange mixing with blue overhead = perfect! Fall was strange last year. Lots of color happened sporadically but a lot of leaves just got dry and fell off without changing.
Thank you Brian. I appreciate knowing those reasons for your preference for sure. I'm really glad I shot that wider view. I almost didn't. It was kind of an after thought. I'm still drawn to the tighter abstract but most here really prefer the wider view so it's helping me to consider things and reflect on how I approach them. I'm quite grateful for everyone here taking the time to add to the conversation about this subject and my presentation of it.
Oh, I forgot to mention that someone else commented on another video that there was a freeze at some point before we arrived and that accounted for the way some of the leaves looked. I also heard there was little rain so things got dry. I'm not sure how it all works but it was strange for sure.
@@ScottWalton I do still like the close view too, it took a while to have a preference either way! Certainly don't let our opinions change your approach! If the close up had a strong diagonal I would have preferred that one more...kind of strange what draws my eye recently but maybe it'll evolve too. And I guess a flash freeze could explain the strange fall. I was surprised to see so many bland crisp green leaves on the ground in late October. Who knows - maybe this coming fall will be a spectacular show!
@@brianbeattyphotography I hope this Fall is great for sure. I'm thinking of staying here in the east and visiting the smokies again. I love the past peak fall color there and haven't been back since I started shooting film again so I'm eager to try capturing some of that good stuff with LF.
The faster the water and also more volume the slower you shutter can be and still get that silky smooth look. I never go above a 1 second exposure because I just don't like the look plus you increase the chance the wind will effect the surrounding leaves etc . Water falls and big rapids I can usually be anywhere from a 15th of a second to a full second. Of course with LF depth of field can be an issue so we are always stopping down which increases time but I find that usually isn't an issue when shooting at F16 or so. Just my 2 cents :)
Hi Terry! Thank you for this. I can remember when I first started in LF and was closely following Fred Picker who did a great job photographing moving water. He always advocated for a 'realistic' look to the water and worked to figure out what shutter speed rendered the water kind of like your eye perceives it. I think it was in the ranges you indicated; definitely less than a second. He often photographed the streams in full sun and always with B&W (often with Tri-X rated around 160), all of which made it MUCH easier to use those faster shutter speeds. This is all harder to do with Velvia 50 in the shade. I could have used Provia for an extra stop though...Oh well. Take care.
Great images! Especially the last one. Too bad you couldn't get the turkeys in the shot!
Thank you Scott. I had to wait for them to move out of the way. They wouldn’t have held still for the large format exposure time. Blurry turkeys! 😂
@@ScottWalton I know what you mean. I can't even get a non blurry bird with digital. I don't know how Eliot Porter managed back in the day with even slower film!
I prefer the wider view of the reflections. It's better for leading the viewer's eye through the image.
Thank you Marco! Most seem to agree with your assessment and I really appreciate the perspective. I almost didn't shoot it and given everyone's reactions, now I'm very glad I did!
I prefer the 1.6 sec more of an abstract that I love! I just got another question like always! Do you use filters? And if so what would you recommend for a newbie?
Hi Edwin! Thank you for the kind comment. I love abstracts too! That was my original (and almost exclusive) approach to this subject. I've shot a lot of abstract river details over the years and almost always go tight.
I definitely use filters but usually sparingly. I'd say the number one filter to have is a polarizer. You have to be careful to not overdo it because skies can become unnaturally dark and foliage can become dead and lifeless with the complete removal of any highlights but it is a useful too. Beyond that I'd need to know what kinds of subjects you shoot and whether in color or B&W. Feel free to move this conversation to email if you want to chat more about it and have a back and forth, which I'm happy to do.
Wait. Nice video again, but I thought you were going to Kolob this time.
Thank you Frank. Unless I misspoke somewhere along the line (entirely possible) Kolob was back in Episode 13. I only went there once on this trip. Hope that helps. Do check out that video if you haven’t seen it. I got some nice images in amazing reflected light in Kolob. Take care!
@@ScottWalton Well, I'm old so likely confused. My wife & I have been watching all your videos from this rather lengthy visit, and have enjoyed all of them. I went back and looked and, yes, we saw the video from Kolob, so, again, I think it's me. I appreciate your reply.
@@fairwayfrank Hi Frank. Lengthy is right! Even I'm getting tired of watching me... I'm hoping to cap it at 20 episodes but it might have to be 21. ugh. With over 20 days of photography it was a slog but I had so much fun and found some neat subjects in great conditions so I just couldn't stop. Thanks to you and your wife for watching all those episodes, I really appreciate it!
Right I thought this was South West England, watched the wrong video.