@@blazemander2225it's possible it doesn't. The thing people don't really talk about ancient Greek history, is that the ancient Greek we think of. Athens and Sparta and all these groups and people are technically the newer of the ancient Greeks. The stories we have from homer about the Odyssey and the Illiad and stuff is those ancient Greeks talk about their history, Mycenaean Greece. Which is way older than ancient Greece and there were ruins from that time already around. Basically even in ancient Athens, at the height of their empire, the Greek islands were covered in ruins from an older empire, that's who a lot of their stories were about. Very cool stuff.
@@camdenbarron2376 There's no clear transition between the two stages, The Mycenaeans even fought the Spartans at one point and were still a major group a couple 100 years after the Athenians switched to Democracy
Fun fact about Poseidon : His portfolio of "Sea , horses and earthquakes" makes more sense once you realize that as the middle child he got everything between the sky and the underworld . That mainly includes the sea and the earth , but as the earth has so many asterisks attached to it , he is mainly remembered as a sea god . Cant be associated with fields and plants , that's Demeter's Job No homes either , thats the older sister : Hestia Roads is Hermes , Very tall mountains fall under Zeus's jurisdiction Depending on interpretation , wilderness in general is for Pan or Artemis So , oceans and earthquakes it is .
until you remember that Poseidon was king of the gods in Mycenaean Greece, as well as being the king of the underworld (and he still had the horse thing)
"I'll beat you with the power of friendship .... and this trident I found." - Odyseus, maybe. Yeah I stole this one from Neal illustrator's community post.
20:40, the stylistic choice to make this animatic have red water and green sky might actually be a homage to how Ancient Greeks described colors (since their color vocabulary differed from the modern one). Famously, Homer described the sea as being "wine-dark" and the sky being "the color of bronze"
I always interpreted his ‘kindness’ to Calypso is not affection of any sort more so appease the person who has more power than him that he’s been stuck with for 7 years against his will. I know I get nervous when someone starts to get riled up around me that I’m scared of and I’ll say or do anything that’ll ease them enough to guarantee my safety
It's possible to feel pity or even love for an abuser. I know it sounds weird but its a major source of shame and guilt for survivors. Because your "supposed" to hate them. So when you dont you think your wrong or broken. I think it's good that it can be interpreted differently by everyone because everyone will be coming at it from a different mindset or experience. So your interpretation of it as a fawn response resonates with you and others like you and mine resonates with me and others like me and nobody is "wrong" Jorge is a genius.
@@breerex4957Jorge really is genius, the different perceptions will always occur but having the explanations people give to the vibes they get off of ONE song shows how versatile his music and characterizations can be
If you look at the original text (well, not the original original text because that's in Ancient Greek and most people can't read that these days, but pretty much any translation of the actual epic), the non-consensual version is the most concretely supported. It explicitly says that Odysseus would spend every day on Calypso's island weeping on the beach.
I think Charybdis is implied with the "When danger greets you with a smile" line so smile -> teeth and if so, I love it because it goes both ways since Poseidon would also be glad to meet Odysseus again too.
thank you for pointing out that she is both a victim, and one who makes viktims. too many ether feels so sorry for her they r blind to how problematic she is, or see how bad she is to the point where they offer no understanding as to why. not saying that an xplenation should be an excuse, amd lessen the severity, but it should be acnolaged. she can be both the problem and a victim without ether lessening the pther.
the red eyes isn't Aries, but Odysseus unlocking his divine power after death, aka "pulling a Heracles", which was hinted at in dangerous with Hermes line "I know, if you dance with fate then I know, I know, you'll enhance your state", and technically predicted by you when you first reacted to no longer you, though you meant he'd kill Penelope. also, 600 strike is totally berserker class Odysseus' noble phantasm.
'he got Zeus'd but it wasn't Zeus doing it' it was, actually. In God Games we hear that it was Zeus who imprisoned Odysseus on this island where he had previously imprisoned Calypso. Jay has also explicitly said he and Calypso never had sex, either consensually or not. So. Yeah. He got more Zeus'd that Calypso'd.
In many versions Calypso didnt even back her father, she was just punished for being related, in some just because she was a Titan Additionally, in most versions he only learns one cannot return to her island After trying to promise that he will return for her
@ in the original tale (like really Really old texts, as well as many later ones actually) it mentioned that how he discovered that no person could visit again (which is part of the well known lore of her island) was that he offered to come back (or at least send someone) with a proper boat after he got home, because he didnt think she would survive traveling with him, however, that was when she told him that once someone leaves that island they can never again step foot on its shores, that any attempt to find their way back will find no island in its place. this actually even includes most gods, with some of them getting around it by never “setting foot” on the island, instead hovering (Zeus, Hermes), using another material (Poseidon-water, Hades-shadowy flames), or riding something (Hephaestus-mechanized horse, Apollo-chariot) in fact, due to that, they forced many of the would-be resistance whom had ties to the Titans to visit the land and stand upon it so that they could never free its inhabitants
I laughed out loud when you said "He got Zues'd" xD... totally needs to be a proper Verb for tricking people into sex (Be it force or magic, both of which Zeus has done- among all the other things)...
Calypso's song basically being 'IF i hurt you' reminds me so much of abusive relationships/gaslighting. Minimising the obvious hurt he felt, and not taking accountability for her actions and how she hurt him.
When Poseidon said, "Or what? You can't kill me." I wish Odysseus would've answered..."No...but this can." and then smiled at Poseidon. :-) Such a badass moment.
I absolutely love your reactions and the insight you bring in from actual mythology. As a fellow mythology nerd, my favorite parts of epic are picking out these references! I always look forward to seeing your takes on these. Keep up the great work! 💜💜💜
What I find really funny is that people made a lot of Moana references(obviously I assume the way they move around their rafts are actual techniques but the way people go around animating it in Charaybdis reminds just of Moana)
There's also some versions of Calypso where her voice is considered to be hypnotic, like the sirens, so her coming down to sing to Odysseus as he's getting ready to leave could be just total manipulation tactics and I think Odysseus knows that. She's trying to guilt trip him into stay even though she's likely been SAing him for 7 years and she doesn't actually understand what she did wrong. I'm stuck on the "I'm sorry my love's too much for you" she's not sorry for pushing him, she's sorry that he couldn't just accept it. She admits she was wrong for pushing but never actually apologizes.
jorge has said that calipso did not SA ody she was more like friend zoned like she was a pick me and he was ignoring her in epic anyways she did not do it
@sierradavis9826 I thought he had said that it was implied but he didn't want to straight up say that's what was happening. There's many parts in love in paradise that could be considered an implication, especially where there are many versions of the story where that is the case, and Odysseus seems to give up fighting her after she reveals she is a goddess so 🤷. Even if she hasn't been straight up SAing him, attempting to coerce him regardless of him constantly talking about how he's not her man and how he has a wife is still not taking no for an answer and that's incredibly taxing on the person who has to continue saying no and doesn't really lend to a healthy friendship. She's still trying to manipulate and guilt trip him in not sorry for loving you and she still doesn't understand that "coming on too strong" and pushing people when they are repeatedly saying no is incredibly shitty to do. She still never apologizes for anything other than Odysseus not being willing to just accept it. Calypso is the one with all the power in this situation and at the very least it can be considered harassment. It's much more than her being a "pick me" regardless of what level of force she uses.
@@vyrarose4773 Here's a hypothetical situation for you: You have a crush on someone, and at some point you become too excited and kiss them. You feel bad for losing self control... Turns out, they had a crush on you too, and they are very happy that you kissed them. There is no reason to be sorry for your advances here. Not because there never is a reason. Not because your advances would never be problematic. Only because the outcome was favorable. Alternatively, the other person could feel pushed and dislike it very much. Now you have a reason to feel sorry. You overstepped someone's boundaries and hurt them. ... Ultimately, you only need to feel sorry, when there is a victim. Calypso acknowledges that if she hurt Odysseus, if he was a victim of her, she was wrong. She says that she is sorry for this. We have no reason to believe that she isn't being sincere here, however much she may be a horrible person in other renditions of the myths. I understand that manipulative people may say similar things in an attempt to manipulate or guilt trip someone, but you projecting that on anyone who is actually just in an unfortunate situation, is kind of just victim blaming. Calypso is a victim. She has been isolated to an extreme extent. Yes, she is out of touch. Yes, she lacks self restraint. Yes, she misjudged the situation. But ultimately, she is a victim, and she is not actually the one with all the power. She is trapped on that island, even more than Odysseus is. That takes away from her power. Odysseus has rejected her repeatedly. That takes away from her power. She doesn't have the power to leave and she doesn't have the power to win over Odysseus. She could force herself on him, but that isn't really what she wants, and we have no reason to believe that she did so in Epic.
@MrSlothJunior she does not say she is sorry for that, she legit only says that she was wrong and she's sorry "my loves too much for you" which is more putting the blame on Odysseus than taking it on herself. And there are many parts where Calypso says things like "under My spell" or Athena says "she's kept you trapped" they are not on equal footing especially where she is an immortal goddess that could choose to kill him at any time if it would please her. And there are many parts in love in paradise that could be considered implications that she doesn't really care whether Odysseus consents or not, this is just how she thinks relationships work. I'm a firm believer that even if there is a favorable outcome, forcing yourself on someone is still not okay and should be apologized for because just because someone isn't loudly saying that you're the worst and they hate you afterwards, doesn't mean they didn't feel forced or taken advantage of. Being a victim does not give you the right to make victims of other people. Almost every murderer that has been convicted has had a history of horrific abuse that led them to believe their actions were justified in some way, that doesn't make it okay and that doesn't make it victim blaming to say their actions are horrible. Most sexual abusers have a history of being abused in that way and may not even realize what they're doing, but that doesn't change the emotional damage they inflict on other people by doing it. If your actions make someone else a victim, regardless of the reasoning, you cannot also claim to be a victim of that situation. She was taking advantage of the fact that Odysseus couldn't leave no matter how much he wanted to and harassing him hoping that one day he would give in to the coercion and regardless of her reasoning why, that still takes a toll. You can't call it "misjudging the situation" when Odysseus is literally being as blunt and frank as he possibly could be. Usually if a person responds to my advances but threatening to kill me, I would take that as a sign that they want nothing to do with me.
"So if you don't have mutch to say" To an essentially one gig mouth "Im glad we see eye to eye" To a Ciclop. Yeah, thats nothing new. And honestly, im pretty sure that Ciclop was okay to let them leave until the eye coment, i mean Polyphem was essentially a Ciclop child.
12:17 personally love this design so much more than the official, and just in general any design post calypsos island that has ody actually looking like he spent 7 years on the island and not looking like he's fresh off of Troy like ik he's supposed to look like Jorge but they couldn't at least make him look slightly more scruffier after Calypsos island? 😭
Yep. Circe poisoned the place Scylla would bathe, which turned her into the one that is a monster. Tho I don't believe it was Poseidon that was the love interest. I think it was someone named Glacius.
Personally I would highly recommend the 600 strike animation by "Camalemsy". The imagery and style of it is very impressive and cool, and just in general I think it's a great animation
Learning moment Hermes’ staff is called the Caduceus pronounced, (Cad- oo- sea- us) Today Or (Cad- oo- Kay- oos) Latin I don’t know the Ancient Greek pronunciation… 😶🌫️
I love the look at 32:08 with the ghosts looking like a shooting star, it makes me think back to Just a Man. Especially since at this point in the song where Ody has tried and failed at choosing mercy and is turning to ruthlessness as his last option "When does a comet become a meteor"
Heyo so I've been devouring all the different reactions to the new saga release and sometimes throwing out my personal conspiracy for the 600 strike song, but most desicions in epic have been following along the normal voyage with the odyssey with a few being changed on purpose, one change that ive not seen anyone mention that i have noticed is in the underworld saga ody goes to the underworld in the epic, when he did not in the odyssey in the odyssey he performed a necromantic ritual allowing him to view into the underworld to locate the prophet and also talk to the other heros of the Iliad who had all died at that point and even some like Herakles, he attracted hades attention and spoke with Persephone praising her and winning hades favor enough that neither god or goddess harassed him for using the ritual and was given their blessing, however in epic they go into the underworld deep into it to find the prophet and after meeting the prophet he makes the active choice to become the monster, the reason i think thats so important is he does so in the underworld in the presence of Tartarus who is the father of typhon the father of monsters i think that when he embraces the monster he gains a seed that instead of divinity it is the opposite of the gods in greek myths which is the monsters so he gains the power to resist the gods to a degree and when Poseidon tries to drown ody he drives back the humanity and awakens the seed of the monster giving Odysseus the abilty to not only struggle but with the power of Poseidons own storm to prevail and to win
33:17 You know going the "huge sea monster" route with Poseidon you might as well go all the way and have Poseidon eat Odysseus whole after he gets shoved into the water. Then you can have Ody pull the classic "kill the giant monster from the inside out" gambit when he opens up the wind bag and make that part of the reason Poseidon becomes so vulnerable in 600 strikes.
whenever you next feel like reacting to them, or when they get added to this playlist, there's plenty of other 600 strike animatics, brittpowwpixel, Duvetbox, others yet, Ximena Natzel has a Dangerous animatic. Sharkiee Puff !! has an animatic with bits of text narrating thoughts, at least in one or two moments. haven't seen a single bad animatic yet, they've all got their uniquenesses and such. just figured i'd name a few others. ALSO not sure if you're aware, but SuperEyePatchWolf has made a second riverdale video. if you hadn't heard and are interested.
I don't know if you found out or not,but underverse EP 0.8 JUST DROPPED,yes it's been like a year,and jeal will actually put the show on hiatus for a year and a half to take a break for mental health and work on a personal project animation, you plan on watching it soon?(If you still remember what happened last)
Planning on watching tomorrow. As for remembering, I barely remember what happened yesterday. So, I might be a bit confused. But no more than usual. 😁🤔😅🤷♂️
Hermes would’ve been doing Scull Rowing or Olympic/ Competitive Rowing Style, the backwards with two hands. Kayaks have you facing forward with a two sided paddle that alternates arms.
Btw that thing about Calypso being jailed on the island for siding with Atlas in some battle is 100% made up for the Percy Jackson novels, and is not present in the Odyssey nor in the EPIC canon.
If this is your reaction to an incredibly well made and thought out Get in the Water animatic with a terrifying Poseidon then i cant wait for you to react to NiNE's Get in the Water😭😭😭
13:34 well indeed it is a little bit well ✨ dangerous✨ if I do say so myself 35:15 I shall slay you with the power of friendship *and this giant freaking trident be afraid*
Yo again Airier putting those suggestion hauntlich and chainsew man musical again,couldn't help but notice in the doing it live thumbnail latest Fools gold video
I was so excited for this reaction and I can’t wait for your next reaction to Handplates if you’re continuing that aeries because I know other reactors who stop before the next season
@Airier The list is a guideline not law. Please do see if it is there, I'd just like to see the reaction eventually . Please and thank you for the reply.
Isnt the idea that calypso sided with atlas just something Riordan did for percy jackson? I dont have a problem with using that interpretation of the character but i dont find anything that says calypso played any role in the titanomachy or anything saying she was banished
You are now my favorite Reaction person for epic, all because of Calypso. Everyone hates on her, but with her isolation comes lack of morals and social skills. So she is doing the best with what she remembers of the Gods and Titans, that seemed to work for them -cough, cough-. I actually just started writing a book for her (currently named Calypsos Lament) takes place in our time, and shes still trapped on the island, her memories are fragmenting (as she's depressed, she stopped taking care of herself...etc) this is a litrpg, but it's her last attempt to break what keeps her in isolation (i say curse currently, but there's a magical anchor) and it has 2 potential ending with both allowing her off the island. If the person who washes up breaks the curse (but can't accept her as she platonically or otherwise) she loses her immortality and will live a mortal life. If that person can accept she has a lot of baggage to work through (platonically or otherwise) she keeps her immortality and the other person will share her immortality with her [so she never has to be alone again] and Odysseus is one of many failed quests for her. And her island is in a dimension pocket tied to earth, which ironically absorbs information (so she knows words like hollogram or video, but now what they are). My interpretation of how a bad situation, can cause bad things without knowing you are damage until someone teaches you how not to cause damage.
Please put each video you reacted to in description with its own link not just to the Playlist. Put as little effort as possible between your video and going to each video you react to. I almost gave up because I didn't want to look through a Playlist for the specific videos.
Fun fact about the island of Ithica, there is an archeological site on the island that heavily matches descriptions of Odysseus' palace!
Woah.
Now the real question is, was the description based on the palace, or the palace based on the description?
@Airier wouldnt descriptions of his palace predate a modern archeological site
@@blazemander2225I think he meant the description of the palace in the Odyssey, not the archeological site
@@blazemander2225it's possible it doesn't. The thing people don't really talk about ancient Greek history, is that the ancient Greek we think of. Athens and Sparta and all these groups and people are technically the newer of the ancient Greeks. The stories we have from homer about the Odyssey and the Illiad and stuff is those ancient Greeks talk about their history, Mycenaean Greece. Which is way older than ancient Greece and there were ruins from that time already around.
Basically even in ancient Athens, at the height of their empire, the Greek islands were covered in ruins from an older empire, that's who a lot of their stories were about. Very cool stuff.
@@camdenbarron2376 There's no clear transition between the two stages, The Mycenaeans even fought the Spartans at one point and were still a major group a couple 100 years after the Athenians switched to Democracy
Fun fact about Poseidon :
His portfolio of "Sea , horses and earthquakes" makes more sense once you realize that as the middle child he got everything between the sky and the underworld .
That mainly includes the sea and the earth , but as the earth has so many asterisks attached to it , he is mainly remembered as a sea god .
Cant be associated with fields and plants , that's Demeter's Job
No homes either , thats the older sister : Hestia
Roads is Hermes ,
Very tall mountains fall under Zeus's jurisdiction
Depending on interpretation , wilderness in general is for Pan or Artemis
So , oceans and earthquakes it is .
until you remember that Poseidon was king of the gods in Mycenaean Greece, as well as being the king of the underworld (and he still had the horse thing)
"I'll beat you with the power of friendship .... and this trident I found." - Odyseus, maybe.
Yeah I stole this one from Neal illustrator's community post.
You’re an honest heart
20:40, the stylistic choice to make this animatic have red water and green sky might actually be a homage to how Ancient Greeks described colors (since their color vocabulary differed from the modern one). Famously, Homer described the sea as being "wine-dark" and the sky being "the color of bronze"
As far as I know, “blue” just didn’t exist. That’s why the sea is called wine-dark. It’s fairly apt, I’d say, the sea can get scarily dark.
Well, blue was thought of as a shade of black. Just like how orange and pink used to be thought of as shades of red.
I always interpreted his ‘kindness’ to Calypso is not affection of any sort more so appease the person who has more power than him that he’s been stuck with for 7 years against his will. I know I get nervous when someone starts to get riled up around me that I’m scared of and I’ll say or do anything that’ll ease them enough to guarantee my safety
the fawn response is rough 😭
It's possible to feel pity or even love for an abuser. I know it sounds weird but its a major source of shame and guilt for survivors. Because your "supposed" to hate them. So when you dont you think your wrong or broken.
I think it's good that it can be interpreted differently by everyone because everyone will be coming at it from a different mindset or experience.
So your interpretation of it as a fawn response resonates with you and others like you and mine resonates with me and others like me and nobody is "wrong"
Jorge is a genius.
@@RazorisProductiveyeah, leaves you feeling icky for saying nice things you know you don’t mean but need to say to feel safe around someone 🥲
@@breerex4957Jorge really is genius, the different perceptions will always occur but having the explanations people give to the vibes they get off of ONE song shows how versatile his music and characterizations can be
If you look at the original text (well, not the original original text because that's in Ancient Greek and most people can't read that these days, but pretty much any translation of the actual epic), the non-consensual version is the most concretely supported. It explicitly says that Odysseus would spend every day on Calypso's island weeping on the beach.
Iirc one of the closest translation is "he spent every day weeping for Penelope upon her beaches
Every night laying with her in her cave"
I think Charybdis is implied with the "When danger greets you with a smile" line so smile -> teeth and if so, I love it because it goes both ways since Poseidon would also be glad to meet Odysseus again too.
thank you for pointing out that she is both a victim, and one who makes viktims. too many ether feels so sorry for her they r blind to how problematic she is, or see how bad she is to the point where they offer no understanding as to why. not saying that an xplenation should be an excuse, amd lessen the severity, but it should be acnolaged. she can be both the problem and a victim without ether lessening the pther.
the red eyes isn't Aries, but Odysseus unlocking his divine power after death, aka "pulling a Heracles", which was hinted at in dangerous with Hermes line "I know, if you dance with fate then I know, I know, you'll enhance your state", and technically predicted by you when you first reacted to no longer you, though you meant he'd kill Penelope.
also, 600 strike is totally berserker class Odysseus' noble phantasm.
Berseker Odysseus would probably just be the most murderhobo individual to ever exist
'he got Zeus'd but it wasn't Zeus doing it' it was, actually. In God Games we hear that it was Zeus who imprisoned Odysseus on this island where he had previously imprisoned Calypso. Jay has also explicitly said he and Calypso never had sex, either consensually or not. So. Yeah. He got more Zeus'd that Calypso'd.
In many versions Calypso didnt even back her father, she was just punished for being related, in some just because she was a Titan
Additionally, in most versions he only learns one cannot return to her island After trying to promise that he will return for her
No he never said he'd return for her, that is fully from Percy Jackson.
@ in the original tale (like really Really old texts, as well as many later ones actually) it mentioned that how he discovered that no person could visit again (which is part of the well known lore of her island) was that he offered to come back (or at least send someone) with a proper boat after he got home, because he didnt think she would survive traveling with him, however, that was when she told him that once someone leaves that island they can never again step foot on its shores, that any attempt to find their way back will find no island in its place. this actually even includes most gods, with some of them getting around it by never “setting foot” on the island, instead hovering (Zeus, Hermes), using another material (Poseidon-water, Hades-shadowy flames), or riding something (Hephaestus-mechanized horse, Apollo-chariot) in fact, due to that, they forced many of the would-be resistance whom had ties to the Titans to visit the land and stand upon it so that they could never free its inhabitants
There is a saying, "Hurt people hurt people."
The moment in the Charybdis animation where Penelope almost seems to hear him gets me man
I'm glad to see someone who actually takes Calypso with some nuance in mind!
I laughed out loud when you said "He got Zues'd" xD... totally needs to be a proper Verb for tricking people into sex (Be it force or magic, both of which Zeus has done- among all the other things)...
Calypso's song basically being 'IF i hurt you' reminds me so much of abusive relationships/gaslighting. Minimising the obvious hurt he felt, and not taking accountability for her actions and how she hurt him.
When Poseidon said, "Or what? You can't kill me." I wish Odysseus would've answered..."No...but this can." and then smiled at Poseidon. :-) Such a badass moment.
I absolutely love your reactions and the insight you bring in from actual mythology. As a fellow mythology nerd, my favorite parts of epic are picking out these references! I always look forward to seeing your takes on these. Keep up the great work! 💜💜💜
What I find really funny is that people made a lot of Moana references(obviously I assume the way they move around their rafts are actual techniques but the way people go around animating it in Charaybdis reminds just of Moana)
15:06 he catches the ithica description but completely misses posiden grinning in the water
31:20 that is pure pressure scary. I wanna see them animate 600 strikes
32:30 the callback to odysseus' bad acting with the siren had me gasping for air from laughing too hard. 🤣🤣🤣😵🤣🤣🙈
"This is literally the power of friendship" 😂😂😂😂
Calypso “I’m not sorry for loving you”
Me: “I’m not sorry for hating you Calyphoe, you scumbag witch”
There's also some versions of Calypso where her voice is considered to be hypnotic, like the sirens, so her coming down to sing to Odysseus as he's getting ready to leave could be just total manipulation tactics and I think Odysseus knows that. She's trying to guilt trip him into stay even though she's likely been SAing him for 7 years and she doesn't actually understand what she did wrong. I'm stuck on the "I'm sorry my love's too much for you" she's not sorry for pushing him, she's sorry that he couldn't just accept it. She admits she was wrong for pushing but never actually apologizes.
jorge has said that calipso did not SA ody she was more like friend zoned like she was a pick me and he was ignoring her in epic anyways she did not do it
@sierradavis9826 I thought he had said that it was implied but he didn't want to straight up say that's what was happening. There's many parts in love in paradise that could be considered an implication, especially where there are many versions of the story where that is the case, and Odysseus seems to give up fighting her after she reveals she is a goddess so 🤷. Even if she hasn't been straight up SAing him, attempting to coerce him regardless of him constantly talking about how he's not her man and how he has a wife is still not taking no for an answer and that's incredibly taxing on the person who has to continue saying no and doesn't really lend to a healthy friendship. She's still trying to manipulate and guilt trip him in not sorry for loving you and she still doesn't understand that "coming on too strong" and pushing people when they are repeatedly saying no is incredibly shitty to do. She still never apologizes for anything other than Odysseus not being willing to just accept it. Calypso is the one with all the power in this situation and at the very least it can be considered harassment. It's much more than her being a "pick me" regardless of what level of force she uses.
oh come on. There is zero evidence for this existing in Epic and Jorge has said she never SA'd him in Epic.
@@vyrarose4773 Here's a hypothetical situation for you:
You have a crush on someone, and at some point you become too excited and kiss them. You feel bad for losing self control... Turns out, they had a crush on you too, and they are very happy that you kissed them.
There is no reason to be sorry for your advances here. Not because there never is a reason. Not because your advances would never be problematic. Only because the outcome was favorable.
Alternatively, the other person could feel pushed and dislike it very much. Now you have a reason to feel sorry. You overstepped someone's boundaries and hurt them.
...
Ultimately, you only need to feel sorry, when there is a victim. Calypso acknowledges that if she hurt Odysseus, if he was a victim of her, she was wrong. She says that she is sorry for this. We have no reason to believe that she isn't being sincere here, however much she may be a horrible person in other renditions of the myths.
I understand that manipulative people may say similar things in an attempt to manipulate or guilt trip someone, but you projecting that on anyone who is actually just in an unfortunate situation, is kind of just victim blaming.
Calypso is a victim. She has been isolated to an extreme extent. Yes, she is out of touch. Yes, she lacks self restraint. Yes, she misjudged the situation. But ultimately, she is a victim, and she is not actually the one with all the power. She is trapped on that island, even more than Odysseus is. That takes away from her power. Odysseus has rejected her repeatedly. That takes away from her power. She doesn't have the power to leave and she doesn't have the power to win over Odysseus. She could force herself on him, but that isn't really what she wants, and we have no reason to believe that she did so in Epic.
@MrSlothJunior she does not say she is sorry for that, she legit only says that she was wrong and she's sorry "my loves too much for you" which is more putting the blame on Odysseus than taking it on herself. And there are many parts where Calypso says things like "under My spell" or Athena says "she's kept you trapped" they are not on equal footing especially where she is an immortal goddess that could choose to kill him at any time if it would please her. And there are many parts in love in paradise that could be considered implications that she doesn't really care whether Odysseus consents or not, this is just how she thinks relationships work. I'm a firm believer that even if there is a favorable outcome, forcing yourself on someone is still not okay and should be apologized for because just because someone isn't loudly saying that you're the worst and they hate you afterwards, doesn't mean they didn't feel forced or taken advantage of. Being a victim does not give you the right to make victims of other people. Almost every murderer that has been convicted has had a history of horrific abuse that led them to believe their actions were justified in some way, that doesn't make it okay and that doesn't make it victim blaming to say their actions are horrible. Most sexual abusers have a history of being abused in that way and may not even realize what they're doing, but that doesn't change the emotional damage they inflict on other people by doing it. If your actions make someone else a victim, regardless of the reasoning, you cannot also claim to be a victim of that situation. She was taking advantage of the fact that Odysseus couldn't leave no matter how much he wanted to and harassing him hoping that one day he would give in to the coercion and regardless of her reasoning why, that still takes a toll. You can't call it "misjudging the situation" when Odysseus is literally being as blunt and frank as he possibly could be. Usually if a person responds to my advances but threatening to kill me, I would take that as a sign that they want nothing to do with me.
"So if you don't have mutch to say"
To an essentially one gig mouth
"Im glad we see eye to eye"
To a Ciclop.
Yeah, thats nothing new. And honestly, im pretty sure that Ciclop was okay to let them leave until the eye coment, i mean Polyphem was essentially a Ciclop child.
All the glowing like the bio luminescence you see in the deepest parts of the ocean… god such good design
Duvet box has a bangin 600 strike
Please upvote this comment. Would love to see a reaction for that animatic
I always love these reactions, it’s like watching with a chill friend.
12:17 personally love this design so much more than the official, and just in general any design post calypsos island that has ody actually looking like he spent 7 years on the island and not looking like he's fresh off of Troy like ik he's supposed to look like Jorge but they couldn't at least make him look slightly more scruffier after Calypsos island? 😭
Scylla was a transformed love interest of Poseidon. I think Circe is the one who did it.
Yep. Circe poisoned the place Scylla would bathe, which turned her into the one that is a monster. Tho I don't believe it was Poseidon that was the love interest. I think it was someone named Glacius.
Personally I would highly recommend the 600 strike animation by "Camalemsy". The imagery and style of it is very impressive and cool, and just in general I think it's a great animation
Learning moment Hermes’ staff is called the Caduceus pronounced, (Cad- oo- sea- us) Today
Or
(Cad- oo- Kay- oos) Latin
I don’t know the Ancient Greek pronunciation… 😶🌫️
Poseidon be looking like "Think Ody, Think!"
I love the look at 32:08 with the ghosts looking like a shooting star, it makes me think back to Just a Man. Especially since at this point in the song where Ody has tried and failed at choosing mercy and is turning to ruthlessness as his last option "When does a comet become a meteor"
28:24 Poseidon: Think Odysseus think
(Edit) okay i didn't finish the animatic before making the joke
Heyo so I've been devouring all the different reactions to the new saga release and sometimes throwing out my personal conspiracy for the 600 strike song, but most desicions in epic have been following along the normal voyage with the odyssey with a few being changed on purpose, one change that ive not seen anyone mention that i have noticed is in the underworld saga ody goes to the underworld in the epic, when he did not in the odyssey in the odyssey he performed a necromantic ritual allowing him to view into the underworld to locate the prophet and also talk to the other heros of the Iliad who had all died at that point and even some like Herakles, he attracted hades attention and spoke with Persephone praising her and winning hades favor enough that neither god or goddess harassed him for using the ritual and was given their blessing, however in epic they go into the underworld deep into it to find the prophet and after meeting the prophet he makes the active choice to become the monster, the reason i think thats so important is he does so in the underworld in the presence of Tartarus who is the father of typhon the father of monsters i think that when he embraces the monster he gains a seed that instead of divinity it is the opposite of the gods in greek myths which is the monsters so he gains the power to resist the gods to a degree and when Poseidon tries to drown ody he drives back the humanity and awakens the seed of the monster giving Odysseus the abilty to not only struggle but with the power of Poseidons own storm to prevail and to win
It's funny; there's a Cult of the Lamb short animatic of the torture scene that's absolutely amazing. I highly recommend it.
The Ares theory is just confirmed plain wrong, but I see it mentioned in every comment section of every video about the vengeance saga.
33:17 You know going the "huge sea monster" route with Poseidon you might as well go all the way and have Poseidon eat Odysseus whole after he gets shoved into the water. Then you can have Ody pull the classic "kill the giant monster from the inside out" gambit when he opens up the wind bag and make that part of the reason Poseidon becomes so vulnerable in 600 strikes.
15:06 The face in the water 😀
i think odyssyuss is a little stolkholm syndromy and he also imenssly pitys her
whenever you next feel like reacting to them, or when they get added to this playlist, there's plenty of other 600 strike animatics, brittpowwpixel, Duvetbox, others yet, Ximena Natzel has a Dangerous animatic. Sharkiee Puff !! has an animatic with bits of text narrating thoughts, at least in one or two moments.
haven't seen a single bad animatic yet, they've all got their uniquenesses and such. just figured i'd name a few others.
ALSO not sure if you're aware, but SuperEyePatchWolf has made a second riverdale video. if you hadn't heard and are interested.
I don't know if you found out or not,but underverse EP 0.8 JUST DROPPED,yes it's been like a year,and jeal will actually put the show on hiatus for a year and a half to take a break for mental health and work on a personal project animation,
you plan on watching it soon?(If you still remember what happened last)
Planning on watching tomorrow. As for remembering, I barely remember what happened yesterday. So, I might be a bit confused. But no more than usual. 😁🤔😅🤷♂️
You should watch the scrapped songs. My favorite is when Odysseus give Calypso blue balls
28:24 looks like that one invincible meme 😂
It is lmao
Hermes would’ve been doing Scull Rowing or Olympic/ Competitive Rowing Style, the backwards with two hands. Kayaks have you facing forward with a two sided paddle that alternates arms.
If only Hermes and Saxophone Squirtle did a collab. They'd match sunglasses
Bruh turned into a Alternate in that one scene.
Yeah Troy(Hermes va) wears sunlasses and a big brown fur coat when he is Hermes
13:30 bro looks like a wet cat lmao
Osp has a new Pope Fights for awhile now.😂
you should absolutely watch all the cut songs:3 btw amazin reaction
HE WENT FULL SCP-682 31:20
Btw that thing about Calypso being jailed on the island for siding with Atlas in some battle is 100% made up for the Percy Jackson novels, and is not present in the Odyssey nor in the EPIC canon.
6:11 congrats you've decoded greek mythology
EPIC THE MUSICAL WOOOOOOO!
Love the use of Zeus as a verb
AIRIER!!! DEATH BATTLE, BOWSER VS EGGMAN! WATCH AS SOON AS POSSOBLE! EPIC! NEED!
4:42 i herby submit that got zeused shall be the new yt sensored way of saying the terible action that shall not be named. all in favor say I. I!
I i captain !
If this is your reaction to an incredibly well made and thought out Get in the Water animatic with a terrifying Poseidon then i cant wait for you to react to NiNE's Get in the Water😭😭😭
Sometimes, the power of friendship can beat God's😂😂😂.
You should definitely watch Lydia The Bard’s take on Get In The Water
You should react to Duvetbox version of six hundred strikes
Quick! Dingo Doodles made another episode of fools gold
He hasnt found out about skele horce
13:34 well indeed it is a little bit well ✨ dangerous✨ if I do say so myself 35:15 I shall slay you with the power of friendship *and this giant freaking trident be afraid*
You have to see the thumbnail of scilla animation of dangerous.
Pplssss check out the Dangerous animatic by Orange on here! It’s one of my favorite Hermes designs ever
Yo again Airier putting those suggestion hauntlich and chainsew man musical again,couldn't help but notice in the doing it live thumbnail latest Fools gold video
Yep. Planning on hitting the Dingo's newest vid in the live stream.
Who Scylla is, actually changes. Her origins are set by later authors. She's always a nymph, but who cursed her and why changes depending on author.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN CANSAN IS REAL .
Wasn't it made for the Wizard of OZ ?
No ? Good to know .
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You should also check "Get in the water" by NiNe. It's the craziest version I saw.
That eel version of Poseidon…. Hear me out lol
Cool vid!! Also fools gold has a new episode out
Yup. I'm excited to check it out later. 😁
4-hour gang 👇
u shud def watch duvetbox’s version of 600 strike doe
it has so many in between frames to pause :D
I was so excited for this reaction and I can’t wait for your next reaction to Handplates if you’re continuing that aeries because I know other reactors who stop before the next season
I really love your reactions ❤😊
Are you going to react suffering different beast and scyla by Ani Tigerfly?
Maybe? I haven't looked at the list in a bit.
@Airier The list is a guideline not law. Please do see if it is there, I'd just like to see the reaction eventually . Please and thank you for the reply.
New undervers episode is out 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
Isnt the idea that calypso sided with atlas just something Riordan did for percy jackson? I dont have a problem with using that interpretation of the character but i dont find anything that says calypso played any role in the titanomachy or anything saying she was banished
18:20 I mean interesting interpretation but I don’t think your cat will be included in the musical.
Please watch orange's version of dangerous. You'll love it. 😢😞
Airier Underverse Episode 0.8 came out!
Can you make a reaction video?
When are you going to react to the new Underverse episode?
Pls someone notice the meme 28:24
You gotta react to the new death battle
BOWSER V EGGMAN🙏🏾🙏🏾
You are now my favorite Reaction person for epic, all because of Calypso. Everyone hates on her, but with her isolation comes lack of morals and social skills. So she is doing the best with what she remembers of the Gods and Titans, that seemed to work for them -cough, cough-. I actually just started writing a book for her (currently named Calypsos Lament) takes place in our time, and shes still trapped on the island, her memories are fragmenting (as she's depressed, she stopped taking care of herself...etc) this is a litrpg, but it's her last attempt to break what keeps her in isolation (i say curse currently, but there's a magical anchor) and it has 2 potential ending with both allowing her off the island. If the person who washes up breaks the curse (but can't accept her as she platonically or otherwise) she loses her immortality and will live a mortal life. If that person can accept she has a lot of baggage to work through (platonically or otherwise) she keeps her immortality and the other person will share her immortality with her [so she never has to be alone again] and Odysseus is one of many failed quests for her. And her island is in a dimension pocket tied to earth, which ironically absorbs information (so she knows words like hollogram or video, but now what they are). My interpretation of how a bad situation, can cause bad things without knowing you are damage until someone teaches you how not to cause damage.
wanted to comment but didn't know what to comment... hi
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@@AirierI got Berserk Vibes in VirusAP’s version of Scylla
Please put each video you reacted to in description with its own link not just to the Playlist.
Put as little effort as possible between your video and going to each video you react to. I almost gave up because I didn't want to look through a Playlist for the specific videos.
Dude that’s just laziness
I don’t disagree with crediting each individual artist every time but the reason you’re stating for it is just pure laziness
Am I the only one getting the Scaredog.jpg vibe in the Get in the water