@@TheGamer-lf5gtwhose everyone? Cause it certainly ain't me I find it much funnier that Poseidon decided to randomly scream in a harmony while being tortured cause the Sirens where watching. P.S. I do think the whole music to Odysseus ears is canon but this other idea is way funnier
Personal headcanon for why Poseidon didn't tough it out: The gods may feel pain but considering how high they would be on the power scale, they likely wouldn't feel it often. As a result when they do, they're babies about it.
@@Greekmythlover543-b2d Headcanon Ares: Humans are always complaining that it hurts. Tch, what babies. *Gets a papercut* Headcanon Ares: *Tearing up* Mom! Mom I got a cut! Make it stop hurting!
One thing for you to notice, every time our boy Polites comes in it’s “greet the world with open arms” except for this final time under the water where he comes in with “You can relax my friend” he’s telling Odysseus it’s okay to let go. He tried his hardest and it’s time to rest.
I always saw the "this life is amazing" and "greet the world with open arms" as Polites telling Ody to keep going with a positive mental attitude and the "you can relax my friend" is definitely "yeah you did your best, time to rest" tho I saw someone say it could be Polites telling him to not panic
31:03 Immortality in Greek Myth does not mean invulnerability. The Gods can be damaged to a point where it takes a very long time for them to recover or maybe even damaged permanently. So torturing a god is actually pretty effective.
Matt is basically the Amichania (I had to look it up but basically the got of helplessness) to Casper's Apollo 😂 Tho wet hades makes it kinda even 😂😂😂😂
These visuals are not a reaction to what other people did but what Jay paid others to do. So all of what you see in this livestream is canon to what Jay envisions. He’s not reacting to seeing these for the first time but showing us all the new music with the visuals he had prepared. It is his sister who voiced the princess Winion.
@thescholarsjourney661 Jay has involved his mother and father already in the project too. His mom was Ody's mom in the underworld and his father was Hephaestus.
Heh. Himself - Main character His mom - Main character's mom His dad - God of the forge His girlfriend - Powerful sorceress His sister - silly little winion
The thing is, it's Poseidon's trident. His own weapon. It can't kill him, but it can sure enough HURT him REALLY good. Especially when he's not actually the one wielding it. (And the Greek Gods were not really big on being in pain, see Ares and how tough he seemed but how often he got humiliated in battle and did not like the sight of his on blood, if I recall correctly)
I mean yeah but that's Ares and he's always getting bullied when Diomedes hurt Apollo Apollo walks it off and tells Diomedes off for it damn near Im fairly sure. Furthermore it should be noted that Poseidon is so much stronger than Apollo that when the gods were going to fight Apollo literally just refused to fight Poseidon while Artemis did fight Hera and gets literally one-shot or two-shot. If Poseidon is in anyway relevant to Hera which he’s arguably stronger, than the power gap between Poseidon and any non elder Olympian level threat is frankly absurd. Also Poseidon has fought in two divine wars he should have decent pain tolerance from that at least.
All of the prophet’s remaining words came true: “I see you on the brink of death.” * Drowning in the ocean * “I see you draw your final breath.” * Those last air bubbles as the screen faded to black* “I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it’s _no longer you.”_ *Odysseus’ eyes turn red, just like the vision Tiresias showed him of the Monster he would become (a canon visual). * Odysseus “died”. The Monster took his place. Extra fun fact- during the torture scene, buried in the music is Tiresias’ (the prophet) theme. Brought back for when all of his prophecies came true.
I saw “Reacting to Vengeance Saga” and got very confused, as there aren’t many animatics out yet. Excited you’re watching the livestream! If you’re down, the one for the Wisdom Saga has _incredible_ animations, as well (Oh, and your clip of saying Anni’s Zeus is the one the fucks everyone? She’s seen it on Tumblr😂).
@@Mattables yup. it was incredible to see someone post your clip, then have the caption“Anni, you have some explaining to do”. 😂 I mean, you weren’t wrong tbh
@@Mattables as you should… because it’s correct for her Zeus😂 To quote Anni upon being @ed to explain herself, “Just a moment. Let me cry in my corner.” Then the tag of “He’s right tho XD”
The wind bag is because it traps Poseidon’s storm, Poseidon made it to prevent ody from getting home, but with the wind bag the storm wont stop him because it’s trapped inside, so if it gets opened, the storm is released, and will prevent him from getting home(at least that is what i understand about it tho i might be wrong)
I think Matt is wondering about why they gave the bag to Odysseus after they trapped the storm, instead of just keeping the bag hidden so that the storm would stay trapped without risk of being opened
@@thecrystalliaguild My theory is that Zeus cuoldn't just outright let Ody without some terms and conditions. Them simply sealing Poseidon's storm and hiding it away would have interfered with Poseidon's domain big time and likely would have had him pissed at them instead. By putting the bag back in Ody's hands again it becomes a game of risk because he has already used the winds in the bag to yeet out of a situation once.
Idk if you caught it or not but at the beginning of "dangerous" that awkward silence is where his crew would normally sing back "make it back alive to our homeland" but hes alone so its deathly silent
I assume the windbag reappears because the storm never left. Poseidon designed it to stand between Odysseus and Ithica forever. So the storm has to be caught and stuffed into the bag to clear the way home. And since it was opened the last time the storm was freed again, the gods (presumably Hermes, Athena, Aolis) had to re-capture the winds. And this act of support by gods only happened because Athena fought for Odysseus (to release him and help him against Poseidon).
It makes sense now to me how hermes line "we went through so much to get this" maybe aeolus don't want anything to do with ody because of what happened in god games so she left it to hermes and winions to capture the storm.
31:01 gods arent used to pain i think. And he knew he would never stop. Gods are fallible and basically ultra humans in mythology. They arent nearly as cold and calculating as youd imagine a god could be, and get by on their power. Plus, while a god cant be killed they can be torn assunder and it can take a loooong time for them to be put back together and heal from such injuries. Poseidon decided this wasnt worth being this petty lol
I like to imagine they have a killer healing factor, but that doesn't mean they're immune to pain, so sure they could tough it out, but the inevitable endless stabbing from a man who won't quit till the storm is down, at some point they're gonna throw the towel because yes they can wait it out, but being sensitive to pain and said pain will not end tells alot And that's not including the shame that follows that they were helpless and getting stabbed endlessly by a human, for as cocky as the gods are you know that alone is enough pain
When Poseidon goes “I’ll take your son and gouge his eyes” I feel like that’s a reference back to why Ody did to HIS son Polyphemus. Jorge will never let us forget pancake time 🥲
Charybdis (Prounounced Kar-rib-dis) is associated with Scylla in the original, where oddysseus encounters it when he unfortunately drifts back towards Scylla's strait after leaving Calypso's island, Scylla and Charbybdis have a kind of deal going on they each block one halve of the straits entrance so that no one can sail past without facing one of them, though picking Scylla is allways the better optionm as she only takes 6 people (12 if youre too slow) meanwhile Charybdis sucks in the entire ship and eats everyone abort all at once. unlike Scylla Charybdis is never given a real description nor is it explained where it comes from, just some big aquatic monster that sucks in water 3 times a day.
Charybdis is basically described as a whirlpool, but she was placed there and made into a whirlpool by Zeus, she was a nymph daughter of Poseidons, she stole an ox from Herakles(something he himself stole), Herakles asked Zeus to punish her, she is made into a giant whirlpool forever consuming/inhaling water and exhaling water
"so I can go letting you walk, or else the world forgets I'm cold" I actually really love this line. It goes back to the whole thing of the Greek Pantheon being made less about teaching people morality and how something is right or wrong, and more about teaching people how the world works, what the correct way of thinking is, and the correct way of doing things etc. It's even something you see with Athena in this musical as well. None of the other Gods are really the type to change their ways at all. And yet Athena, as the Goddess of Wisdom, is one who is capable of reflecting on her past actions and changing her ways. Much like wise men and women would. She, as a Goddess of Wisdom, is serving as an example on the correct way to be wise.
I mean the gods usually represent their domains, they also embody it Zeus has law so he punishes those who go against it, Poseidon is the sea, temperamental
Hiyaa! At 30:32, you could faintly hear “No Longer You”. A reference to what the prophet had told Odysseus. “I see a song of past romance..” and it goes from there. And when Poseidon says “Alright!” Theres a short about it on Jorges page.
16:37 YESSS PLEASE!!!!❤ The animatics during the livestream were wonderful but imo it would be really fun and worthwhile to watch the full animatics now coming out of the entire songs! They really help visualize the details of each song and it’s totally worth seeing in such an important saga before the finale! :)
I like the idea that Poseidon gave in that quickly because gods dont get hurt. The only things that would've hurt them was each other and they dont fight each other (at least the big boys like Zeus and him dont fight). So that pain has to be the first he's felt since the giant's war hundreds of years before. Probably the first time he's felt fear in a while too.
I don't think Poseidon was genuinely scared. He might have been worried about how long this would last for but he has literally no reason to genuinely fear Odysseus. Also Im fairly sure Poseidon still fights after the giant war. He tried to overthrow Zeus that one time with Hera and the others, so on and so forth. Also Typhon happened even if he did run that time so like Im fairly sure he still fights stuff off-screen.
Fun fact, each character in the musical was given their own instrument. Ody's instrument is the guitar, most commonly electric, Athena's is the piano, Penelope's in the viola, and so on. So, the reason that you heard the trumpet, is because Poseidon's instrument is anything brass :) Also, some interesting things about character instruments are: - Poseidon's brass is heard in Storm, because this is his storm. - Penelope's viola is never in Suffering, because this is a siren and not Penelope - Hermes's lyre/harp can be heard in Puppeteer, because he was spying on Ody and Eury arguing (he mentions this in Wouldn't You Like, when he says "I must say, what a brilliant speech you gave") - The suitors also have a type of guitar as their instrument, because they're trying to replace Ody. - Aeolus, the wind god, has winds (flute, piccolo, etc...) as a character instrument. You can hear them play at the beginning of Six Hundred Strike, because of the wind bag. Theres a lot more but that'd be a lot of typing for me lol :)
Immortality is not invulnerability, and it's likely been centuries since Poseidon last felt pain. It's actually pretty impressive he held out as long as he did.
He has been trapped with Calpyso for many years, and he stood strong. She had no idea he had shown up there because of the gods. Also the winion is Jay's Sister. So now his mom was in the underworld saga, his father in wisdom saga, and now his sister.
Jorge has stated that Poseidon's instrument is the trumpet. That trumpet you heard in "Get in the Water" when Odysseus sang "maybe you can learn to forgive" was intentional - Jorge has a relatively recent tiktok explaining it! Odysseus' instrument is the guitar - acoustic for the sweeter, gentler moments, and electric when he uses his cunning/strategy mind (you hear the electric guitar during moments in The Horse and the Infant, Survive, Remember Them, Puppeteer)
Matt: I don't think Poseidon would hurt our wife and son but I am terrible at predicting things Literally the next line in the song: "I'll make tidal waves so profound, both your wife and your son will drown"
Poseidon: Caves after a handful of stabs when self preservation finally kicks in. Athena: Goes back for seconds when Zeus is annihilating her with lightning in order to save Ody. We know who the badass in the family is.
Depends on the animatic and interpretation. In some Poseidon smiles after letting Odysseus go because he got what he wanted furthermore Athena had armor on to tank most of the blast and could fight back not “unable to move on some rocks in the middle of the ocean that he could have used to protect himself or anything!” God, I hate that ending scene cause if Poseidon genuinely wanted to escape he could have at any point in time so the fact he doesn't either has to piss me off at how dumb that specific scene is written or accept Poseidon let it happen on purpose because of his own reasons.
@@joshuafrazier3904well you can interpret him as getting the victory, since he killed the man ody was, thus the ruthless monster thar gets back home, thus his lesson learned
The reason they give Odysseus the wind bag is so that way he CAN get home. If he doesn't have the wind bag, then Poseidon's storm rages in a wall around Ithaca, which means he can't get home. So as long as he doesn't have the bag, he can't get home. But if he has it, he most assuredly can, right?
I believe because zeus, the king of gods, decided to realease ody poseidon isnt able to kill him without going against zeus. Thus he resorts to threatening him with his family and gives him the "choice" to get in the water rather than directly hurting him
The sad thing about colipso is she was placed on that island to be alone for eternity by zues since she aided the titans. and zues doesn't forgive he hooked polyphemus to a rock and a giant eagle eats his liver because he gave humans fire. So they put ody there to torture her more knowing he would love her back
I don’t know if anybody has explained it yet but the wind bag is like the one he had in keep you’re friends close, cause in that song aolus put Poseidon’s storm inside the bag so they could sail back to Ithaca, so the wind bag that Hermes gave him has the storm that surrounds Ithaca inside so ody can get home
Hermes is Ody's great grandpa. Hermes is Ody's mum's dad's dad. Also my canon for the wind bag is that the storm ody would come across is sealed in the bag and it's his responsibility to make sure that it stays in the bag.
Honestly, I would love to see your reaction to other animatics from EPIC cause there are so many fantastic ones that I'm sure you'll enjoy. Neal and GiGi's "Ruthlessness" animatics are top tier! And Mircsy's "Keep your friends close" is also amazing!
Poseidon casted a giant storm to stop him from getting home in the ocean saga that's why they ask for the wind bag in the first place but when they opened it the storm came back out keeping him from getting home now with the wind bag brought back the storm is trapped again so he can get home.
24:58 the trumpet is Poseidons main instrument. Its playing at this moment because Odysseus is trying to come to an agreement or at least reach some kind of middle ground. His last attempt at "open arms" if you will.
Its kinda funny hearing Calypso saying her only friends are the sun and sky since the sun is literally Helios and the sky is held up by her father Atlas
When Posideon says “ Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves.” If you listen closely you can hear a low voice saying, “mercy upon….. ourselves.” I like thinking that it’s the cyclops
I’ve seen a lot of animators say that they try to do the gold blood but then it just looks like mustard so they just got with red or black. Which I personally like better but I can understand the frustration of it not being lore accurate
I’d love to see you react to more animatics of all the sagas honestly! Also about the livestream, these are animatics commissioned by Jorge so are canon to how he envisions it. So it’s not the first time he’s seen them as he works quite closely with every animator as I understand, you can also find some funny shorts of the dances he sends the artists for the animatics, like for Hermes and God Games Oh and for why Poseidon most likely won’t or can’t just wait and go after Ody again is that Zeus ruled that he can go home. So Poseidon can’t just kill him, hence the “get in the water and die willingly”.
In case you didn't notice: In get in the water, when poseidon says "I'll take your son and gouge his eyes", that's basically what ody did to polyphemus, poseidon's own son. also, yes to reacting to the full animatics when they're out!
The trumpet 🎺 is Poseidons🔱 instrument! That is also because “Maybeeee you could learn to forgiveee~” Is sung in the same tune as “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves-“ Also “We can’t kill a god” *dead Athena noises*
@@zemellion26gods can't kill each other at all. No god has ever died in Greek mythology ever. Even Ouranos only got his nuts cut off, Prometheus is alive with his internal organs out of his body, all the other Titans are locked in Tartarus, and Kronos despite being chopped up is still technically alive Im fairly sure. The Giants aren't actually immortal which is why they could die.
Athena isn’t dead! ⚠️[SPOILER]⚠️ I’m pretty sure in one of the snippets Athena says something like “is it too late to join the party?” or smth like that when Odysseus is back in Ithaca (iirc)
"why did they give him the bag" no divine help coves ever without a test, man (also, the cs in Mircsy is pronounced "tch" roughly like the start of chocolate)
Just for future reference Charybdis is pronounced "Cah-Rib-Diss". You can also change the first syllable to "Car-ib-Diss" middle Syllable like Rib without the R.
Check out Brit Pow Pixil's 600 Strike animatic. It's a bit less videogame/anime like, but i really like their twist. In my brain, it makes more sense, and I can understand how the battle plays out.
Willpower tends to leak out of someone pretty fast once they start getting extra holes put in them. Otherwise he'd have to just sit there and be stabbed for days until Ody finally keeled over of exhaustion. x.x
Or he could summon a large wave. If bro had the power to maintain a storm while getting stabbed and then later instantly dispell it then he has the power to summon a large wave to knock Odysseus away.
Hopefully this comes through in the sea of comments lol but just wanted to say that the final saga - the Ithaca saga - has released! I hope you react to it sometime soon (you can just watch the livestream like what you did for the Vengeance saga). I came for your Hazbin content from the beginning of the year and I've stuck around ever since because I love your style of videos; you're one of my favourite UA-camrs so keep doing what you're doing!
Just so you know, the newest and final entry to epic, the Ithaca Saga, is now out! Enjoy it and can't wait to see your reaction. Merry Christmas btw!!!
Calypso's whole thing is that she's been imprisoned on that island since the gods overthrow the titans. They didn't tell her Odysseus was gonna be there. They kind of just tossed him on the shore 2:40
To answer your question about the Trumpet during Get in the Water The line "Maybe you could learn to forgive" is sung in the same melody as "Ruthlessness is Mercy upon ourselves" and Trumpets are the main instrument of Posiedon Also in 600 Strike, there's a fan theory that Ody's eyes glow red because he is being blessed by Ares as a favor to his sister Athena
30:55 "As long as you have the willpower, you'd win this fight!" Exactly. The gods are so used to being above it all, they don't have the greatest track record of actually withstanding pain and hardship when subjected to it. During the Trojan war, both Aphrodite and Ares basically ran home crying after getting their ass whooped, once.
I don't know if this was mentioned by anyone, but the wind bag in this saga is for keeping the storm so it's in the bag and Poseidon can't control it because it is in the bag. Because the storm : "It was meant to stop you by design" was from Poseidon.
Idk but every one crying at polites death I didn’t understand cause I don’t cry when I haven’t known a character that long but the way these last two saga’s have made me sob thinking Penelope and his son😭
some things of note, the stream when it airs is always the first look at the saga everyone gets the animatics were all commissioned by Jorge and he worked with the artists to make sure it was like he wanted so everything in the stream is canon also that winion was voiced by Jorge's sister and the trumpet is Poseidon's instrument so in that moment Ody was trying to persuade Poseidon with his instrument
A note about 600 Strike: Poseidon's trident was a weapon made to fight against other immortal enemies (namely titans) so it's ability to hurt a god would be more than enough to make Poseidon consider calling off the storm.
12:53 I've thought about the same thing for a while just after the Vengeance Saga dropped, and I've come to the conclusion that, at least with Aeolus, Ody asked her to cast the perfect wind. But help doesn't come for free, whether asked for or not, so since they already helped him by removing the storm(s), it's up to him to keep the storm with him. It's Odysseus' responsibility, because that storm was directly meant to stop him. I don't know if this is formulated properly, I'm shite at expressing my thoughts, but that's somewhat how I understood it. It's a test.
Also for Dangerous the pause after the line " 'cause I had one goal in mind" is the pause for the crew that is no longer there to say "make it back alive to our homeland" but they are all gone
25:00 the trumpet is posseidon instrument, specifficaly in that case, Ody tries to use his instrument, and his "riff" if i can say that, to try and escape from him "Maybe you could learn to forgive" = "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves"
Just wanted to say that you being 'too much' regularly cheers me up, even during extremely difficult days and bad thought spirals. Thanks for being a literal ray of sunshine in this grey world.
Honestly, you have become one of my new comfort UA-camrs to watch. Just now, when I saw the notification that you posted, I got a smile on my face, even though today is a rough day for me. Thank you for your positive energy! ❤
The community is def split on Calypso, some absolutely despise her (because she r&ped ody and kept him from his wife for 7 YEARS) while the other feels sorry for her cuz shes been in complete isolation for her whole life. But she def doesn't actually love him, just the idea of having someone and her song is basically her trying to guilt trip/manipulate him into staying with her. The song is a bop tho
She didn't rape him, and there's debate on whether she personally kept him trapped on the island. Further, the whole "this is a guilt trip and a manipulation tactic" is just pure interpretation on y'all's part. You're not wrong, but you're not right, either. Other interpretations exist, especially with a story told in one and two thirds songs. To me, the song is selfish, it's messy, but it is genuine - Calypso is being told, no ifs and or buts, that Odysseus is leaving, Will of the Gods type shit. She's going to be sentenced to eternal isolation again, and she knows that Odysseus will never agree to stay. NSFLY is a vent. It's Calypso's final moment to express herself to anyone before she's alone again, and so she just vents. It's why she refuses to let Odysseus get a word in edge-wise, because it's not about *him* personally. He gets to go home, forget about everything, and there's nothing he can say that'll change anything. It is selfish, but, again, I'm surprised this is considered so outrageous considering that Calypso is an emotionally and mentally stunted individual. What do people expect?
@@advenaphillips8872people are conflating the original story with Epic. In the original it’s pretty explicit, whereas in Epic it’s left to interpretation. Either way, she was forged into isolation at such a young age, never to see the world or meet its people. She craves some form of connection and intimacy, and once she has it she will do whatever she can to maintain it. Is it toxic? Yeah. Can I necessarily blame her? Not really. She is meant to be a very complicated character with lots of flaws that don’t excuse her behavior but does explain why she is the way she is. It’s what makes Greek mythology so interesting to me. The Gods are flawed and reactionary, the heroes make a LOT of mistakes, and good doesn’t always triumph. One thing that’s not up to debate though is her song is great!
@HollywoodandWine101 also, this is a series where the main character murdered a baby in the second song of the entire series. So, like... who cares about character moral purity?
@ exactly! I feel like some people only know the Disney stuff and forget the original myths are pretty messed up. Just look at Heracles. My biggest gripe is that everyone makes hades the bad guy when his other two brothers are SIGNIFICANTLY bigger problems.
@@advenaphillips8872 jay has said(in the discord) that calypso(paraphrasing) is another form of Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves, she's putting her own happiness above his and his wants
Great reaction series! @16:36 Yes, it would be amazing if you went through the full animatics that have since come out. There are super talented creators here on the platform, and if you were able to react to them all and the different interpretations each brings to the songs, I think that would be pretty awesome, too 😊 I have a public playlist full of animatics (in order) where I love how they portrayed certain aspects of the story and end up linking together rather well with other fan animatics if you would like to check it out! I try to update it whenever new animatics pop up and watch them side-by-side to see how they differ and which might have callbacks to other animatics (like Poseidon's horse figure from AnniFlamma referenced in other artists' animatics)
Couldn't agree more about Poseidon's VA, Steven Rodriguez, absolutely phenomenal singer. He actually has a few singles out. Personal favs are "Like You Mean It" and "Shackles". Would definitely recommend giving them a listen, they are such a VIBE.
there are fan theories that Poseidon's cries were in tune with the song because it was music to Odysseus's ears.
This is actually SICK!!
Pretty much everyone has decided it's canon to. Because it works so well!!
@@TheGamer-lf5gtwhose everyone? Cause it certainly ain't me I find it much funnier that Poseidon decided to randomly scream in a harmony while being tortured cause the Sirens where watching.
P.S. I do think the whole music to Odysseus ears is canon but this other idea is way funnier
@@joshuafrazier3904 He \*does\* talk about having an image to upkeep one song prior
@@Mattables His son’s name is TELEMACHUS!!!!
Personal headcanon for why Poseidon didn't tough it out: The gods may feel pain but considering how high they would be on the power scale, they likely wouldn't feel it often. As a result when they do, they're babies about it.
Ares ran away crying after being scratched by a weapon in the trojan war.
Absolutely! Also gods don't have superpowered healing as far as I know they heal in mortal time so he knew it was gonna hurt for a while to.
And considering it was his own godly weapon it probably won't be healing quickly
@@Greekmythlover543-b2d
Headcanon Ares: Humans are always complaining that it hurts. Tch, what babies.
*Gets a papercut*
Headcanon Ares: *Tearing up* Mom! Mom I got a cut! Make it stop hurting!
@@coroixiwa Worst he went to his dad and complained that his sister's side of the war hurt him.
One thing for you to notice, every time our boy Polites comes in it’s “greet the world with open arms” except for this final time under the water where he comes in with “You can relax my friend” he’s telling Odysseus it’s okay to let go. He tried his hardest and it’s time to rest.
This makes it out like Polites really didn't want Ody to go back to save his wife and son, since we know the suitors are getting really bloodthirsty
I always saw the "this life is amazing" and "greet the world with open arms" as Polites telling Ody to keep going with a positive mental attitude and the "you can relax my friend" is definitely "yeah you did your best, time to rest" tho I saw someone say it could be Polites telling him to not panic
31:03 Immortality in Greek Myth does not mean invulnerability. The Gods can be damaged to a point where it takes a very long time for them to recover or maybe even damaged permanently. So torturing a god is actually pretty effective.
"Everytime I say something, the opposite happens"
Okay so we have Casper as Tireseas and Matt as Cassandra 😂
Hey‚ Cassandra was extremely accurate in her prophecies‚ it's just that nobody believed her
Matt is basically the Amichania (I had to look it up but basically the got of helplessness) to Casper's Apollo 😂
Tho wet hades makes it kinda even 😂😂😂😂
These visuals are not a reaction to what other people did but what Jay paid others to do. So all of what you see in this livestream is canon to what Jay envisions. He’s not reacting to seeing these for the first time but showing us all the new music with the visuals he had prepared.
It is his sister who voiced the princess Winion.
I have been wondering if that meant Jay's sister or the animator's sister for a while! Thank you!
@thescholarsjourney661 Jay has involved his mother and father already in the project too. His mom was Ody's mom in the underworld and his father was Hephaestus.
@hr329085 I did know those ones.
Ody - Jorge
Hephestus - his dad
Ody's mom - his mom
That winion - his sis
Pls let me know if I missed any, or if any are wrong
Edit:
Circe - his gf
Circe - his Girlfriend
Heh.
Himself - Main character
His mom - Main character's mom
His dad - God of the forge
His girlfriend - Powerful sorceress
His sister - silly little winion
@@Outrider85to be fair its a silly PRINCESS winion- /j
I mean, they started dating after she was cast and recorded Circe but still true.
If you need Odys mom's name its Anticlea
"I don't think we can kill a god though." EXACTLY
I'd give you ten likes, but I can´t. I was scrolling hoping to find this exact comment :D
The thing is, it's Poseidon's trident. His own weapon. It can't kill him, but it can sure enough HURT him REALLY good. Especially when he's not actually the one wielding it. (And the Greek Gods were not really big on being in pain, see Ares and how tough he seemed but how often he got humiliated in battle and did not like the sight of his on blood, if I recall correctly)
Ares went crying to Zeus when he got stabbed in the Iliad by a mortal (Diomedes, a good friend of Odysseus) powered by Athena lol
I mean yeah but that's Ares and he's always getting bullied when Diomedes hurt Apollo Apollo walks it off and tells Diomedes off for it damn near Im fairly sure. Furthermore it should be noted that Poseidon is so much stronger than Apollo that when the gods were going to fight Apollo literally just refused to fight Poseidon while Artemis did fight Hera and gets literally one-shot or two-shot. If Poseidon is in anyway relevant to Hera which he’s arguably stronger, than the power gap between Poseidon and any non elder Olympian level threat is frankly absurd. Also Poseidon has fought in two divine wars he should have decent pain tolerance from that at least.
@@joshuafrazier3904 yeah and Jorge epic canon'd him as a long distance fighter, when he literally uses a trident(basically a spear)
Aphrodite was also injured by the same man that injured Ares too
"I am very alot" that's relatable
Mood, also related to that song tbh.
30:00 during the live, i love how the chat was screaming "CAPTAIN!" at jay during this part, really sealed the moment for me
All of the prophet’s remaining words came true:
“I see you on the brink of death.” * Drowning in the ocean *
“I see you draw your final breath.” * Those last air bubbles as the screen faded to black*
“I see a man who gets to make it home alive, but it’s _no longer you.”_ *Odysseus’ eyes turn red, just like the vision Tiresias showed him of the Monster he would become (a canon visual). *
Odysseus “died”. The Monster took his place.
Extra fun fact- during the torture scene, buried in the music is Tiresias’ (the prophet) theme. Brought back for when all of his prophecies came true.
Which leaves the last words of the souls in the background of "no longer you", they have yet to come true, and we have the last saga on the way
When was a brothers last stand? We havent met siblings in this story!
And I tought that "no longer you" means when he goes home disguised!
@@bencekontra4035 its Eurylochus because he was like a brother to him
Or polities because the Prophet saw past and future at the same time
"NOT THE CHARDY-B-DIS!" XD
Wet Sarlacc
chardi B 😭
@@just_a_platypus new clothes brand
I saw “Reacting to Vengeance Saga” and got very confused, as there aren’t many animatics out yet. Excited you’re watching the livestream! If you’re down, the one for the Wisdom Saga has _incredible_ animations, as well
(Oh, and your clip of saying Anni’s Zeus is the one the fucks everyone? She’s seen it on Tumblr😂).
oh no, IM ON TUMBLR?!
@@Mattables yup. it was incredible to see someone post your clip, then have the caption“Anni, you have some explaining to do”. 😂 I mean, you weren’t wrong tbh
@@icemagiciangh I stand by my statement xD
@@Mattables as you should… because it’s correct for her Zeus😂 To quote Anni upon being @ed to explain herself, “Just a moment. Let me cry in my corner.” Then the tag of “He’s right tho XD”
The wind bag is because it traps Poseidon’s storm, Poseidon made it to prevent ody from getting home, but with the wind bag the storm wont stop him because it’s trapped inside, so if it gets opened, the storm is released, and will prevent him from getting home(at least that is what i understand about it tho i might be wrong)
No yeah that's exactly what it is
Yes, aeolus wanted to help but Gods can't help directly so she proposed a game.
I think Matt is wondering about why they gave the bag to Odysseus after they trapped the storm, instead of just keeping the bag hidden so that the storm would stay trapped without risk of being opened
@@thecrystalliaguild My theory is that Zeus cuoldn't just outright let Ody without some terms and conditions. Them simply sealing Poseidon's storm and hiding it away would have interfered with Poseidon's domain big time and likely would have had him pissed at them instead. By putting the bag back in Ody's hands again it becomes a game of risk because he has already used the winds in the bag to yeet out of a situation once.
Idk if you caught it or not but at the beginning of "dangerous" that awkward silence is where his crew would normally sing back "make it back alive to our homeland" but hes alone so its deathly silent
"not the chardeebedis" i can't I laughed so hard at that 😂😂
So far my favourite mis-pronunciation of charybdis
The charybdusy
7:49 THE SILENCE 😭 I CAN STILL HEAR THE “make it back alive to our homeland”
It's almost like Poseidon's cries of pain were music to Odysseus' ears.
it was music to my ears too tbh :D
Dude’s screams were ✨ aesthetic ✨
On the animation of the Winion it was Jorge's sister im pretty sure since his mom sung for Odysseus's mom and his dad sung for Hephastus
I assume the windbag reappears because the storm never left. Poseidon designed it to stand between Odysseus and Ithica forever. So the storm has to be caught and stuffed into the bag to clear the way home. And since it was opened the last time the storm was freed again, the gods (presumably Hermes, Athena, Aolis) had to re-capture the winds. And this act of support by gods only happened because Athena fought for Odysseus (to release him and help him against Poseidon).
It makes sense now to me how hermes line "we went through so much to get this" maybe aeolus don't want anything to do with ody because of what happened in god games so she left it to hermes and winions to capture the storm.
And winions saying " you won't get another time to try" is because aeolus is helping one last time.
31:01 gods arent used to pain i think. And he knew he would never stop. Gods are fallible and basically ultra humans in mythology. They arent nearly as cold and calculating as youd imagine a god could be, and get by on their power.
Plus, while a god cant be killed they can be torn assunder and it can take a loooong time for them to be put back together and heal from such injuries. Poseidon decided this wasnt worth being this petty lol
I like to imagine they have a killer healing factor, but that doesn't mean they're immune to pain, so sure they could tough it out, but the inevitable endless stabbing from a man who won't quit till the storm is down, at some point they're gonna throw the towel because yes they can wait it out, but being sensitive to pain and said pain will not end tells alot
And that's not including the shame that follows that they were helpless and getting stabbed endlessly by a human, for as cocky as the gods are you know that alone is enough pain
When Poseidon goes “I’ll take your son and gouge his eyes” I feel like that’s a reference back to why Ody did to HIS son Polyphemus.
Jorge will never let us forget pancake time 🥲
Ody as we knew him “dies” at the end of Get in the Water thus fulfilling what the Prophet said.
Charybdis (Prounounced Kar-rib-dis) is associated with Scylla in the original, where oddysseus encounters it when he unfortunately drifts back towards Scylla's strait after leaving Calypso's island, Scylla and Charbybdis have a kind of deal going on they each block one halve of the straits entrance so that no one can sail past without facing one of them, though picking Scylla is allways the better optionm as she only takes 6 people (12 if youre too slow) meanwhile Charybdis sucks in the entire ship and eats everyone abort all at once.
unlike Scylla Charybdis is never given a real description nor is it explained where it comes from, just some big aquatic monster that sucks in water 3 times a day.
Charybdis is basically described as a whirlpool, but she was placed there and made into a whirlpool by Zeus, she was a nymph daughter of Poseidons, she stole an ox from Herakles(something he himself stole), Herakles asked Zeus to punish her, she is made into a giant whirlpool forever consuming/inhaling water and exhaling water
"so I can go letting you walk, or else the world forgets I'm cold"
I actually really love this line. It goes back to the whole thing of the Greek Pantheon being made less about teaching people morality and how something is right or wrong, and more about teaching people how the world works, what the correct way of thinking is, and the correct way of doing things etc.
It's even something you see with Athena in this musical as well. None of the other Gods are really the type to change their ways at all. And yet Athena, as the Goddess of Wisdom, is one who is capable of reflecting on her past actions and changing her ways. Much like wise men and women would. She, as a Goddess of Wisdom, is serving as an example on the correct way to be wise.
I mean the gods usually represent their domains, they also embody it
Zeus has law so he punishes those who go against it, Poseidon is the sea, temperamental
~4:11 Okay but I'm willing to bet that your version of "coming on too strong" didn't involve trapping anybody on an island with you for 7 years lmao
Hiyaa! At 30:32, you could faintly hear “No Longer You”. A reference to what the prophet had told Odysseus.
“I see a song of past romance..” and it goes from there. And when Poseidon says “Alright!”
Theres a short about it on Jorges page.
16:37 YESSS PLEASE!!!!❤ The animatics during the livestream were wonderful but imo it would be really fun and worthwhile to watch the full animatics now coming out of the entire songs! They really help visualize the details of each song and it’s totally worth seeing in such an important saga before the finale! :)
16:49 yes i will watch you re react to every saga again lol. Different anamatics and stuff.
I like the idea that Poseidon gave in that quickly because gods dont get hurt. The only things that would've hurt them was each other and they dont fight each other (at least the big boys like Zeus and him dont fight). So that pain has to be the first he's felt since the giant's war hundreds of years before. Probably the first time he's felt fear in a while too.
I don't think Poseidon was genuinely scared. He might have been worried about how long this would last for but he has literally no reason to genuinely fear Odysseus. Also Im fairly sure Poseidon still fights after the giant war. He tried to overthrow Zeus that one time with Hera and the others, so on and so forth. Also Typhon happened even if he did run that time so like Im fairly sure he still fights stuff off-screen.
24:59 if I’m not mistaken, the trumpets is Poseidon’s instrument and it’s playing in the tune of “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves”
“NOT THE CHARDY-BAH-DIS!! 😣” I LAUGHED SM AT THAT
Fun fact, each character in the musical was given their own instrument. Ody's instrument is the guitar, most commonly electric, Athena's is the piano, Penelope's in the viola, and so on. So, the reason that you heard the trumpet, is because Poseidon's instrument is anything brass :)
Also, some interesting things about character instruments are:
- Poseidon's brass is heard in Storm, because this is his storm.
- Penelope's viola is never in Suffering, because this is a siren and not Penelope
- Hermes's lyre/harp can be heard in Puppeteer, because he was spying on Ody and Eury arguing (he mentions this in Wouldn't You Like, when he says "I must say, what a brilliant speech you gave")
- The suitors also have a type of guitar as their instrument, because they're trying to replace Ody.
- Aeolus, the wind god, has winds (flute, piccolo, etc...) as a character instrument. You can hear them play at the beginning of Six Hundred Strike, because of the wind bag.
Theres a lot more but that'd be a lot of typing for me lol :)
Immortality is not invulnerability, and it's likely been centuries since Poseidon last felt pain. It's actually pretty impressive he held out as long as he did.
He has been trapped with Calpyso for many years, and he stood strong. She had no idea he had shown up there because of the gods.
Also the winion is Jay's Sister. So now his mom was in the underworld saga, his father in wisdom saga, and now his sister.
Jorge has stated that Poseidon's instrument is the trumpet. That trumpet you heard in "Get in the Water" when Odysseus sang "maybe you can learn to forgive" was intentional - Jorge has a relatively recent tiktok explaining it!
Odysseus' instrument is the guitar - acoustic for the sweeter, gentler moments, and electric when he uses his cunning/strategy mind (you hear the electric guitar during moments in The Horse and the Infant, Survive, Remember Them, Puppeteer)
Matt: I don't think Poseidon would hurt our wife and son but I am terrible at predicting things
Literally the next line in the song: "I'll make tidal waves so profound, both your wife and your son will drown"
21:16 his name is Steven Rodriguez he has music on spotify as well
Poseidon: Caves after a handful of stabs when self preservation finally kicks in.
Athena: Goes back for seconds when Zeus is annihilating her with lightning in order to save Ody.
We know who the badass in the family is.
Depends on the animatic and interpretation. In some Poseidon smiles after letting Odysseus go because he got what he wanted furthermore Athena had armor on to tank most of the blast and could fight back not “unable to move on some rocks in the middle of the ocean that he could have used to protect himself or anything!” God, I hate that ending scene cause if Poseidon genuinely wanted to escape he could have at any point in time so the fact he doesn't either has to piss me off at how dumb that specific scene is written or accept Poseidon let it happen on purpose because of his own reasons.
@@joshuafrazier3904well you can interpret him as getting the victory, since he killed the man ody was, thus the ruthless monster thar gets back home, thus his lesson learned
@@joshuafrazier3904 yeah he could have just made a wave tall enough to submerge them, Ody still can't breathe underwater
The reason they give Odysseus the wind bag is so that way he CAN get home.
If he doesn't have the wind bag, then Poseidon's storm rages in a wall around Ithaca, which means he can't get home.
So as long as he doesn't have the bag, he can't get home. But if he has it, he most assuredly can, right?
I believe because zeus, the king of gods, decided to realease ody poseidon isnt able to kill him without going against zeus. Thus he resorts to threatening him with his family and gives him the "choice" to get in the water rather than directly hurting him
The sad thing about colipso is she was placed on that island to be alone for eternity by zues since she aided the titans. and zues doesn't forgive he hooked polyphemus to a rock and a giant eagle eats his liver because he gave humans fire.
So they put ody there to torture her more knowing he would love her back
I don’t know if anybody has explained it yet but the wind bag is like the one he had in keep you’re friends close, cause in that song aolus put Poseidon’s storm inside the bag so they could sail back to Ithaca, so the wind bag that Hermes gave him has the storm that surrounds Ithaca inside so ody can get home
Hermes is Ody's great grandpa. Hermes is Ody's mum's dad's dad. Also my canon for the wind bag is that the storm ody would come across is sealed in the bag and it's his responsibility to make sure that it stays in the bag.
Found you for epic reactions staying because you are so fun to watch
He is one of my favorite youtubers to watch ^-^
Honestly, I would love to see your reaction to other animatics from EPIC cause there are so many fantastic ones that I'm sure you'll enjoy. Neal and GiGi's "Ruthlessness" animatics are top tier! And Mircsy's "Keep your friends close" is also amazing!
Poseidon casted a giant storm to stop him from getting home in the ocean saga that's why they ask for the wind bag in the first place but when they opened it the storm came back out keeping him from getting home now with the wind bag brought back the storm is trapped again so he can get home.
24:58 the trumpet is Poseidons main instrument. Its playing at this moment because Odysseus is trying to come to an agreement or at least reach some kind of middle ground. His last attempt at "open arms" if you will.
Its kinda funny hearing Calypso saying her only friends are the sun and sky since the sun is literally Helios and the sky is held up by her father Atlas
When Posideon says “ Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves.” If you listen closely you can hear a low voice saying, “mercy upon….. ourselves.” I like thinking that it’s the cyclops
I took it to be the giant water form he's summoning, but I like your idea too. 😁
yes def watch the animatics when there r enough of them! or just at least when all of the songs hv a full annimatic
All of them do actually have multiple full animatics by now :)
11:24 Hermes Twerking before Ody reaches home, what a sight
I really enjoy your videos, you're relatable, funny, and I love your reaction to the musical
I wish that the animations/animatics that were used in the official livestreams gave the gods their golden blood. It peeves me that it's red.
I’ve seen a lot of animators say that they try to do the gold blood but then it just looks like mustard so they just got with red or black. Which I personally like better but I can understand the frustration of it not being lore accurate
I’d love to see you react to more animatics of all the sagas honestly!
Also about the livestream, these are animatics commissioned by Jorge so are canon to how he envisions it. So it’s not the first time he’s seen them as he works quite closely with every animator as I understand, you can also find some funny shorts of the dances he sends the artists for the animatics, like for Hermes and God Games
Oh and for why Poseidon most likely won’t or can’t just wait and go after Ody again is that Zeus ruled that he can go home. So Poseidon can’t just kill him, hence the “get in the water and die willingly”.
In case you didn't notice: In get in the water, when poseidon says "I'll take your son and gouge his eyes", that's basically what ody did to polyphemus, poseidon's own son.
also, yes to reacting to the full animatics when they're out!
Calypso I believe was cursed to fall in love with anyone that ends up on her island
That's only in Percy Jackson
The trumpet 🎺 is Poseidons🔱 instrument!
That is also because
“Maybeeee you could learn to forgiveee~”
Is sung in the same tune as
“Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves-“
Also
“We can’t kill a god”
*dead Athena noises*
I think the rule is no mortals can kill gods
I still don't think Athena died
We don't have any confirmation Athena died. We do have confirmation gods can't die from Calypso tho.
@@zemellion26gods can't kill each other at all. No god has ever died in Greek mythology ever. Even Ouranos only got his nuts cut off, Prometheus is alive with his internal organs out of his body, all the other Titans are locked in Tartarus, and Kronos despite being chopped up is still technically alive Im fairly sure. The Giants aren't actually immortal which is why they could die.
Athena isn’t dead!
⚠️[SPOILER]⚠️
I’m pretty sure in one of the snippets Athena says something like “is it too late to join the party?” or smth like that when Odysseus is back in Ithaca (iirc)
"why did they give him the bag" no divine help coves ever without a test, man
(also, the cs in Mircsy is pronounced "tch" roughly like the start of chocolate)
They gave him the bag because the storm had been raging since they opened the bag before, so they recaptured it for him
WOW YOU CAUGHT UP FAST :)! CG ON VIEWS TOO!
"Next to my wife" 🤯💀
As an author, I am in absolute awe at how hard that one line goes. The way we've built up to that moment, and the fact it just hits. So. Hard!
@songweretson yesss!!!!!
Listen, if you want to, we'd watch your reactions to both this and fan animatics. You don't have to, but oh my God there's so many good ones.
Poseidon's trident was created to kill Titans and maim/torture gods so I'm assuming it was extreme amounts of pain for Poseidon
OMG!!!! You got Polites's name right! Also, love your hair and your reaction to these. All of your content actually.
Just for future reference Charybdis is pronounced "Cah-Rib-Diss". You can also change the first syllable to "Car-ib-Diss" middle Syllable like Rib without the R.
I think if I'm not mistaken, trumpet is poseidon/s theme, just like how the guitar is ody's and violin is penelope's and piano is athena's
Check out Brit Pow Pixil's 600 Strike animatic. It's a bit less videogame/anime like, but i really like their twist. In my brain, it makes more sense, and I can understand how the battle plays out.
Willpower tends to leak out of someone pretty fast once they start getting extra holes put in them. Otherwise he'd have to just sit there and be stabbed for days until Ody finally keeled over of exhaustion. x.x
Or he could summon a large wave. If bro had the power to maintain a storm while getting stabbed and then later instantly dispell it then he has the power to summon a large wave to knock Odysseus away.
@@joshuafrazier3904 or just drown him, only one of them can breathe underwater, if he can raise a tide so high all over all of itheca why not a rock
People have been saying that Poseidon sings his screams because they’re music to Odysseus’s ears 😂
Hopefully this comes through in the sea of comments lol but just wanted to say that the final saga - the Ithaca saga - has released! I hope you react to it sometime soon (you can just watch the livestream like what you did for the Vengeance saga).
I came for your Hazbin content from the beginning of the year and I've stuck around ever since because I love your style of videos; you're one of my favourite UA-camrs so keep doing what you're doing!
Just so you know, the newest and final entry to epic, the Ithaca Saga, is now out! Enjoy it and can't wait to see your reaction. Merry Christmas btw!!!
Being Immortal does not mean you cant feel pain
Calypso's whole thing is that she's been imprisoned on that island since the gods overthrow the titans. They didn't tell her Odysseus was gonna be there. They kind of just tossed him on the shore 2:40
Yeah Zeus basically yeet'd him there, then Calypso and the gods kept him there
Ka RIB dis, phonetically.
(This is why I did not learn Ancient Greek.)
To answer your question about the Trumpet during Get in the Water
The line "Maybe you could learn to forgive" is sung in the same melody as "Ruthlessness is Mercy upon ourselves" and Trumpets are the main instrument of Posiedon
Also in 600 Strike, there's a fan theory that Ody's eyes glow red because he is being blessed by Ares as a favor to his sister Athena
Absolutely would LOVE for you to go through this saga again when fully animated ✨
30:55 "As long as you have the willpower, you'd win this fight!" Exactly. The gods are so used to being above it all, they don't have the greatest track record of actually withstanding pain and hardship when subjected to it.
During the Trojan war, both Aphrodite and Ares basically ran home crying after getting their ass whooped, once.
17:00 yes, please ❤
Seconded!
26:40 "i see you on the brink of death, i see you draw your final breath, i see a man who gets to make it home, but its no longer you
I AM SO EXCITED FOR THIS ONE!!!!!!!!
I don't know if this was mentioned by anyone, but the wind bag in this saga is for keeping the storm so it's in the bag and Poseidon can't control it because it is in the bag. Because the storm : "It was meant to stop you by design" was from Poseidon.
Idk but every one crying at polites death I didn’t understand cause I don’t cry when I haven’t known a character that long but the way these last two saga’s have made me sob thinking Penelope and his son😭
some things of note, the stream when it airs is always the first look at the saga everyone gets
the animatics were all commissioned by Jorge and he worked with the artists to make sure it was like he wanted so everything in the stream is canon
also that winion was voiced by Jorge's sister
and the trumpet is Poseidon's instrument so in that moment Ody was trying to persuade Poseidon with his instrument
A note about 600 Strike: Poseidon's trident was a weapon made to fight against other immortal enemies (namely titans) so it's ability to hurt a god would be more than enough to make Poseidon consider calling off the storm.
12:53 I've thought about the same thing for a while just after the Vengeance Saga dropped, and I've come to the conclusion that, at least with Aeolus, Ody asked her to cast the perfect wind. But help doesn't come for free, whether asked for or not, so since they already helped him by removing the storm(s), it's up to him to keep the storm with him. It's Odysseus' responsibility, because that storm was directly meant to stop him. I don't know if this is formulated properly, I'm shite at expressing my thoughts, but that's somewhat how I understood it. It's a test.
Also for Dangerous the pause after the line " 'cause I had one goal in mind" is the pause for the crew that is no longer there to say "make it back alive to our homeland" but they are all gone
I love that you keep trying to put yourself in Odysseus' shoes and thinking it through from his perspective!
25:00 the trumpet is posseidon instrument, specifficaly in that case, Ody tries to use his instrument, and his "riff" if i can say that, to try and escape from him "Maybe you could learn to forgive" = "Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves"
Just wanted to say that you being 'too much' regularly cheers me up, even during extremely difficult days and bad thought spirals. Thanks for being a literal ray of sunshine in this grey world.
i finished your reactions of all the sagas of epic the musical and i just wanted to say i really like your vibe i think you have a new subscriber
Honestly, you have become one of my new comfort UA-camrs to watch. Just now, when I saw the notification that you posted, I got a smile on my face, even though today is a rough day for me. Thank you for your positive energy! ❤
The community is def split on Calypso, some absolutely despise her (because she r&ped ody and kept him from his wife for 7 YEARS) while the other feels sorry for her cuz shes been in complete isolation for her whole life. But she def doesn't actually love him, just the idea of having someone and her song is basically her trying to guilt trip/manipulate him into staying with her.
The song is a bop tho
She didn't rape him, and there's debate on whether she personally kept him trapped on the island. Further, the whole "this is a guilt trip and a manipulation tactic" is just pure interpretation on y'all's part. You're not wrong, but you're not right, either. Other interpretations exist, especially with a story told in one and two thirds songs.
To me, the song is selfish, it's messy, but it is genuine - Calypso is being told, no ifs and or buts, that Odysseus is leaving, Will of the Gods type shit. She's going to be sentenced to eternal isolation again, and she knows that Odysseus will never agree to stay. NSFLY is a vent. It's Calypso's final moment to express herself to anyone before she's alone again, and so she just vents. It's why she refuses to let Odysseus get a word in edge-wise, because it's not about *him* personally. He gets to go home, forget about everything, and there's nothing he can say that'll change anything. It is selfish, but, again, I'm surprised this is considered so outrageous considering that Calypso is an emotionally and mentally stunted individual. What do people expect?
@@advenaphillips8872people are conflating the original story with Epic. In the original it’s pretty explicit, whereas in Epic it’s left to interpretation. Either way, she was forged into isolation at such a young age, never to see the world or meet its people. She craves some form of connection and intimacy, and once she has it she will do whatever she can to maintain it. Is it toxic? Yeah. Can I necessarily blame her? Not really.
She is meant to be a very complicated character with lots of flaws that don’t excuse her behavior but does explain why she is the way she is. It’s what makes Greek mythology so interesting to me. The Gods are flawed and reactionary, the heroes make a LOT of mistakes, and good doesn’t always triumph.
One thing that’s not up to debate though is her song is great!
@HollywoodandWine101 also, this is a series where the main character murdered a baby in the second song of the entire series. So, like... who cares about character moral purity?
@ exactly! I feel like some people only know the Disney stuff and forget the original myths are pretty messed up. Just look at Heracles. My biggest gripe is that everyone makes hades the bad guy when his other two brothers are SIGNIFICANTLY bigger problems.
@@advenaphillips8872 jay has said(in the discord) that calypso(paraphrasing) is another form of Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves, she's putting her own happiness above his and his wants
Great reaction series! @16:36 Yes, it would be amazing if you went through the full animatics that have since come out. There are super talented creators here on the platform, and if you were able to react to them all and the different interpretations each brings to the songs, I think that would be pretty awesome, too 😊 I have a public playlist full of animatics (in order) where I love how they portrayed certain aspects of the story and end up linking together rather well with other fan animatics if you would like to check it out! I try to update it whenever new animatics pop up and watch them side-by-side to see how they differ and which might have callbacks to other animatics (like Poseidon's horse figure from AnniFlamma referenced in other artists' animatics)
YESS I WOULD WANT YOU TO GO THROUGH THIS AGAIN!!!
Couldn't agree more about Poseidon's VA, Steven Rodriguez, absolutely phenomenal singer. He actually has a few singles out. Personal favs are "Like You Mean It" and "Shackles". Would definitely recommend giving them a listen, they are such a VIBE.
You at the end is literally all of us right now…..one more Saga to goooo!!!! Can’t wait!!!
“Were not Kratos” WE ARE ODYSSEUS OF ITHICA!!!!!
Hermes throwing it back at 11:23 always gets me