I have a feeling it will, once enough people get over the fact that it doesn't look as smart as it is, and that it's based on a generic machine, and the user community starts to grow, I think it'll become very popular. I also think the fact that Turin and MiiCoffee are selling the Apex and Legato now, using an almost identical base machine, will help in the long term, in terms of people not being too put off by the way it looks. Ta Kev
I'm *almost* sold. I've spent so long researchig the Decent DE1pro that I've fallen in love with the features but can't justify the price. This sounds like th perfect alternative. But the lack of review content is concerning. This is the second review in a year! They haven't sent one to any other prominent coffee UA-camrs... Thanks for the excellent review as always. This has become one of my go-to coffee channels!
Thank you for your review! Great classification of the Kafmasino one between their comrades! I own my Kafmasino one for some months and I’m still stoked due to the consistency and reproducibility. The many possible steps at the advanced mode are very useful for unconventional profiles like a V60 pour over.
This is an intriguing machine. Performs almost as well as the Decent for much less investment. I have a Gaggia Classic Pro that I recently modded with a PID, preasure guage and flow control. After considering the cost and time spent doing this I wish I had gone for the Gaggiuino instead. I really like the stability and the ability to adjust when desired. Just wish this was around a few years earlier.
Yeah I do think they've done an amazing job when it comes to performance vs cost. Whatever you decide on when it comes to home espresso, there's going to be several other ways you could have gone. Good new is that modded classics hold their value well, so if you wanted to you could always sell it and do a Gaggiuino mod, if you're not a fan, there aren't many Gagguiuino modded classics available for sale at present so that would probably be a fast sale too, and I doubt you'd lose much either, might even make a profit! Ta, Kev.
excellent job!! A comparative video between kafmasino vs gaggiuino would be interesting. I have a Gaggia Classic Pro and I'm very tempted to invest in the Gaggiuino but I'm afraid I won't get the perfect finish. Kafmasino is more organized. Which project brings the most advantages? thanks
Looks great, as someone who has done the gaggiuino mod twice. Love my modded classic but the toxic discord makes support tricky so a more polished product is always welcomed.
Is this a joke comment? You received an incredible amount of help, looking at your help thread. What was tricky and toxic about that? How can you say people are helpful in the discord and then say they’re toxic on another platform?
Great video and an amazing bit of tech with this machine. Would be a good addition if you let us know how the coffee tastes and the milk/oat latte experience. Thanks Kev.
Ta :-), re taste, it just depends on the beans, the profile & the baskets. Really impressed with the milk texture, and that's really flexible too, various settings.
I recorded all these details on my notes in my iphone (name of the beans, grind size that worked for me for latte, cappuccino etc) and when I ordered a new bag of funny enough chocolate-brownie 😀 I just looked up my notes 🙂
This sounds like how the Nucleus Link coffee roaster works. It’s essentially a Kaffe Logic hardware but the Link addition is you get an app that recommends a roasting profile and range based off of the bean density. And if you tell it when the first crack was it’ll adjust the recommendations. And you can save and share your roasts. But this is an espresso machine that does that for your shot lol. I am probably going to buy one eventually after I move. And for the romantic people I do actually ignore the roast profile recommendations sometimes to achieve what I want lol. It skews to pretty light to light medium roasts which I almost always like but sometimes it needs some more time and the development I shoot for is far longer than the roaster recommendation lol. I suspect the same thing will happen with this machine as people go on to make espresso with it. There is nothing wrong with lowering the difficulty to get to great espresso so someone can get bored with that and try weird stuff. It’s more likely we will all discover greater things together by sharing our work than we will by struggling alone and cursing that another shot didn’t hit right. 😭
I've got a gaggiuino modded machine, it's great, what it does to the classic is very impressive, makes a huge difference when it comes to steaming milk too.
I want to know if this can replicate a more expensive rotary pump style for syrupy shots. This is what I found at home-barista forum about these types of shots. "To maximize Syrupy/Gloopy shots, high flow and high tapering pressure. Large conical would be the next part of the equation but not as important. Deeper baskets help too with more coffee so it is harder to get it right with a 58mm basket but can be done (53 to 55 double basket probably ideal like LSM lever maybe pump or Dalle Corte Mina comes to mind for a pump setup). Also use a medium to dark roast with some robusta in it, many of the great italian blends will have the right combination. And also fresh beans of course 5-15 days off roast for these although sometimes they need to rest a bit longer than 5 days and you can move the window back. The LSM group is basically the prototypical setup for these types of shot, super high flow, deeper 54/55 basket, and higher pressure 11bar dual spring. You will struggle to get extreme goopy shots with a pump machine of lower flow rate (Ie Decent espresso) but a high flow rotary gear pump will do it if you adjust the peak pressure higher."
I don't think it's agreed that rotary pumps actually make a noticeable difference, but they're more robust, quieter, and can be plumbed in to a water line, also larger and more expensive.
@@BensCoffeeRants Well if thats true and this machine can accomplish something like this that'd be great. Not sure if you have deep baskets and the ability to go to 11 bar and all that with a high enough flow rate. Thus why it would be interesting to see.
@@zh4k if it's a 58mm machine you got options for pretty much as deep baskets as youd like. I got a 28g Weber basket for my BDB which fits in the Normcore portafilter just fine! You don't need a super deep basket or 11bars of pressure though. You just need to pull shorter ristretto shots. The grinder. Coffee and basket style will also make an impact.
How would this compare to the Gagguino? With the boiler coating issues of the Gaggia, the requirement to carry out the mods yourself and the current Gagguino is at 'end-of-life', this looks like a good potential alternative. I would like to see a comparison of the two in terms of coffee quality.
You didn't mention if the app was open source or not. I assume the tablet is an Android one. Being a software developer I want to be able to tweak the app as I use it. The Gagguino and Decent are both open source so they can be modified.
So Kev, I’ve been all set to buy the Breville Dual Boiler based mainly on your recommendation. (‘and I’m in Australia where it’s a bit cheaper.) Are you saying I should change to the Kafmasino One?
This looks VERY interesting indeed. It really isn't a sexy-looking machine, but the functionality looks very good. I am bigly tempted. I have been considering the Sage Barista Touch Impress. But since I already have a decent grinder, this may be the way to go. Ah! But from what I can see on their website, I would need to purchase my own tablet. That adds a few pennies.
Yeah I agree re the looks, but it's the sacrifice they had to make to make it affordable, going for a reliable affordable off the shelf machine, regardless of looks. Yeah it doesn't come with a tablet, the one I've been using is a Huawei MatePad T8, works well - you can get them on backmarket for about £80.
does the brew pressure method change by adjusting the flow of water ? or it an electronic -pressure-changer thing. Excellent video. I’m thinking about this machine for awhile now.
I just got a Breville Dual Boiler, and you're already making me want to return it an get this one... Please tell me it's possible to mod the BDB to smart-enable it? Does the slayer mod let me flow profile like this?
Similar, to the gagguiuno version with the scales, but easier when it comes to finding and downloading profiles. I'm using a Gagguiuno modded classic at the moment, it's brilliant, I prefer the Kafmasino, but still, Gagguiuno is great for the money.
I like it. Pretty good value for all the features. I expect you Dont get a tablet with it and dont forget if you are in the UK, you will have import dutys on top of the price. Still like it, though. Also well done for the video. Fun as always.
Yeah you're right, tablet doesn't come with it. Yeah re import duty, although, they ship through the postal service so you hopefully won't quite get the same kind of rinsing you can get from certain couriers. Ta, Kev.
Yes but this is tech like the Decent that is pushing boundaries with espresso. That tech is slowly making its way over to more analogue machines. Ultimately making better coffee.
There certainly is, and I totally get that, but still, this kind of tech has a lot going for it, I didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I have done to be honest.
It does seem like there's plenty of traditional coffee content on UA-cam. This video adds a take to UA-cam on interesting advancements in the coffee world
The website looks a bit strange - contact form isn't working. Are the original founders still in the company? Is the first shippment really happening or is it just a big scam?
Yeah same founders. They've got a notice on the form saying they're having difficulties with it, and they're giving their email address on there and asking people to contact them via email in the meantime.
Yeah, I thought the grinder made all the difference. How are these profiles going to help with no standard grinder and grind profile... seems a bit sales pitchy
Yeah the crm3007 is the same base machine I believe, Miicoffee Apex isn't based on the exact same machine though, the AVX DB1 is this same machine, the Miicoffee Apex (and Turin Legato) use a very similar machine with slight differences, they have a pressure gauge, and also a different thermoblock, and slightly different internal configuration. Ta, Kev.
It really is, such a great machine to play with - also, very repeatable shots, and when a shot goes wonky, you can bring that shot next to the last shot that was great, and inspect it all the way through to try to get an idea of what caused it. It's brilliant for workflow too, being able to just slap your glass on the scale and press start, knowing it'll stop the shot for you at the target yield, so you don't need to hover over it, is very handy - although I usually find myself staring at the bottom of the basket anyway ;-).
These things are certainly important, but personally I don't think you'd be saying that this tech is irrelevant if you had tried it. I'm amazed at the difference the profiles make. I had a similar impression to you about the decent if I'm honest, the only reason I tried this is the guys offered to loan me the tester unit, I wasn't expecting to be impressed by it at all. Even less so when I saw how it looked if I'm honest, and then I started using it, and changed my mind.
This looks an awful lot like the machine from the df grinder folks with the gagguino mods added on and sold as an original product. It’s not an original product
I think it's like a DF product, where the manufacturer remains mysterious but they have different distributors selling it, and supporting it, with different additions on it depending on which part of the world your in.
The base machine itself, yeah - although it's not the exact same base machine as the ones MiiCoffee & Turin use, it's the same base machine that AVX use for the DB1. Ta, Kev.
Yeah, for £1k the whole look of it is just cheap and nasty. I'd rather save up for a decent or just go down the gaggiuino route. I would be interested if they made a mod board for the Bambino plus though.
Did you not watch the video at all? :D Have you never heard of a Decent brand espresso machine, or something like the YOU? Do you have a suggestion for a better way to configure advanced profiles and parameters?
This is one of a number of high tech espresso profiling machines now available, which started with the Decent DE1. I think we'll see more and more options like this, and it wouldn't surprise me if eventually the most popular machines are available with something like this as an optional add on. This doesn't mean you have to buy a machine like this, though, or that machines like this will destroy traditional espresso. We could say the same for the modern semi-auto pump driven machines, with volumetric shot buttons and so on, we could say these destroy traditional lever espresso - but traditional lever espresso machines are still available if you want that experience. Ta, Kev.
It's rather get a Lelit Victoria at that price range instead of this crooked machine made out of soft metal, even though it's packed with amazing features.
@@Coffee_Kev man how come it's solid, I can see it on your footage, if you look at it from the side you can see the top part inclined, kinda folded a bit.
@@nhayes927 true, but I'm afraid it won't last for long. The price is in prosumer range but it's non-functional (quality) attributes are in sub $500 category.
@@orifkhodjaev1449this one I've got has been travelling the world for the past few years, and it's fine, and the parts are all easy to get hold of, so in reality I don't see any reason this machine wouldn't last as long as any other traditional machine as long as it's looked after.
Hey, am I able to message you privately on Facebook or Instagram please? I've recently had my own machine and I'm having real problems dialing in, I'm unsure wether it's the coffee I'm using or what but it's driving me crazy lol I need help lol
"You might even get dialled in before you reach the bottom of the bag"
I feel so attacked.
Haha, me too! 😆
😂
This deserves to shake the market up massively.
I have a feeling it will, once enough people get over the fact that it doesn't look as smart as it is, and that it's based on a generic machine, and the user community starts to grow, I think it'll become very popular. I also think the fact that Turin and MiiCoffee are selling the Apex and Legato now, using an almost identical base machine, will help in the long term, in terms of people not being too put off by the way it looks.
Ta
Kev
I'm *almost* sold.
I've spent so long researchig the Decent DE1pro that I've fallen in love with the features but can't justify the price. This sounds like th perfect alternative.
But the lack of review content is concerning. This is the second review in a year! They haven't sent one to any other prominent coffee UA-camrs...
Thanks for the excellent review as always. This has become one of my go-to coffee channels!
Sold. That's the machine I didn't know i needed but I do now. Thank you.
Thank you for your review! Great classification of the Kafmasino one between their comrades! I own my Kafmasino one for some months and I’m still stoked due to the consistency and reproducibility. The many possible steps at the advanced mode are very useful for unconventional profiles like a V60 pour over.
This is an intriguing machine. Performs almost as well as the Decent for much less investment. I have a Gaggia Classic Pro that I recently modded with a PID, preasure guage and flow control. After considering the cost and time spent doing this I wish I had gone for the Gaggiuino instead. I really like the stability and the ability to adjust when desired. Just wish this was around a few years earlier.
Yeah I do think they've done an amazing job when it comes to performance vs cost.
Whatever you decide on when it comes to home espresso, there's going to be several other ways you could have gone.
Good new is that modded classics hold their value well, so if you wanted to you could always sell it and do a Gaggiuino mod, if you're not a fan, there aren't many Gagguiuino modded classics available for sale at present so that would probably be a fast sale too, and I doubt you'd lose much either, might even make a profit!
Ta, Kev.
I remember when the decent was under 2k at one point. Glad there's an actual alternative now.
An addon like this for sage machines would be great
Agreed, I think if they licensed this to popular machine brands it would be mega.
excellent job!! A comparative video between kafmasino vs gaggiuino would be interesting. I have a Gaggia Classic Pro and I'm very tempted to invest in the Gaggiuino but I'm afraid I won't get the perfect finish. Kafmasino is more organized. Which project brings the most advantages? thanks
Looks great, as someone who has done the gaggiuino mod twice. Love my modded classic but the toxic discord makes support tricky so a more polished product is always welcomed.
Is this a joke comment? You received an incredible amount of help, looking at your help thread. What was tricky and toxic about that? How can you say people are helpful in the discord and then say they’re toxic on another platform?
Great video and an amazing bit of tech with this machine. Would be a good addition if you let us know how the coffee tastes and the milk/oat latte experience. Thanks Kev.
Ta :-), re taste, it just depends on the beans, the profile & the baskets. Really impressed with the milk texture, and that's really flexible too, various settings.
How much time does it take to reach temp from cold start?
I recorded all these details on my notes in my iphone (name of the beans, grind size that worked for me for latte, cappuccino etc)
and when I ordered a new bag of funny enough chocolate-brownie 😀 I just looked up my notes 🙂
This sounds like how the Nucleus Link coffee roaster works. It’s essentially a Kaffe Logic hardware but the Link addition is you get an app that recommends a roasting profile and range based off of the bean density. And if you tell it when the first crack was it’ll adjust the recommendations. And you can save and share your roasts. But this is an espresso machine that does that for your shot lol. I am probably going to buy one eventually after I move.
And for the romantic people I do actually ignore the roast profile recommendations sometimes to achieve what I want lol. It skews to pretty light to light medium roasts which I almost always like but sometimes it needs some more time and the development I shoot for is far longer than the roaster recommendation lol. I suspect the same thing will happen with this machine as people go on to make espresso with it. There is nothing wrong with lowering the difficulty to get to great espresso so someone can get bored with that and try weird stuff. It’s more likely we will all discover greater things together by sharing our work than we will by struggling alone and cursing that another shot didn’t hit right. 😭
I'm going the gaggiuino route I think. First time hearing about it, not as cool as this project but I'm a big open source guy and cheaper too.
I've got a gaggiuino modded machine, it's great, what it does to the classic is very impressive, makes a huge difference when it comes to steaming milk too.
@@Coffee_KevHow much of an upgrade is it over say the bambino pro? It's alright, but I feel its lacking. My grinder is the same you're using.
I want to know if this can replicate a more expensive rotary pump style for syrupy shots. This is what I found at home-barista forum about these types of shots. "To maximize Syrupy/Gloopy shots, high flow and high tapering pressure. Large conical would be the next part of the equation but not as important. Deeper baskets help too with more coffee so it is harder to get it right with a 58mm basket but can be done (53 to 55 double basket probably ideal like LSM lever maybe pump or Dalle Corte Mina comes to mind for a pump setup).
Also use a medium to dark roast with some robusta in it, many of the great italian blends will have the right combination. And also fresh beans of course 5-15 days off roast for these although sometimes they need to rest a bit longer than 5 days and you can move the window back.
The LSM group is basically the prototypical setup for these types of shot, super high flow, deeper 54/55 basket, and higher pressure 11bar dual spring. You will struggle to get extreme goopy shots with a pump machine of lower flow rate (Ie Decent espresso) but a high flow rotary gear pump will do it if you adjust the peak pressure higher."
I don't think it's agreed that rotary pumps actually make a noticeable difference, but they're more robust, quieter, and can be plumbed in to a water line, also larger and more expensive.
@@BensCoffeeRants Well if thats true and this machine can accomplish something like this that'd be great. Not sure if you have deep baskets and the ability to go to 11 bar and all that with a high enough flow rate. Thus why it would be interesting to see.
@@zh4k if it's a 58mm machine you got options for pretty much as deep baskets as youd like. I got a 28g Weber basket for my BDB which fits in the Normcore portafilter just fine! You don't need a super deep basket or 11bars of pressure though. You just need to pull shorter ristretto shots. The grinder. Coffee and basket style will also make an impact.
I could see a future version of the Breville/Sage Barista Touch/Touch Impress being a machine like this.
Is there a US version available ?
How would this compare to the Gagguino? With the boiler coating issues of the Gaggia, the requirement to carry out the mods yourself and the current Gagguino is at 'end-of-life', this looks like a good potential alternative. I would like to see a comparison of the two in terms of coffee quality.
You didn't mention if the app was open source or not. I assume the tablet is an Android one. Being a software developer I want to be able to tweak the app as I use it. The Gagguino and Decent are both open source so they can be modified.
So Kev, I’ve been all set to buy the Breville Dual Boiler based mainly on your recommendation. (‘and I’m in Australia where it’s a bit cheaper.) Are you saying I should change to the Kafmasino One?
Sorry if I missed but how long does it take to heat this machine. From turning on to getting proper temperature in boiler , brew pipe and group head ?
This looks VERY interesting indeed.
It really isn't a sexy-looking machine, but the functionality looks very good.
I am bigly tempted.
I have been considering the Sage Barista Touch Impress. But since I already have a decent grinder, this may be the way to go.
Ah! But from what I can see on their website, I would need to purchase my own tablet. That adds a few pennies.
Yeah I agree re the looks, but it's the sacrifice they had to make to make it affordable, going for a reliable affordable off the shelf machine, regardless of looks.
Yeah it doesn't come with a tablet, the one I've been using is a Huawei MatePad T8, works well - you can get them on backmarket for about £80.
does the brew pressure method change by adjusting the flow of water ? or it an electronic -pressure-changer thing. Excellent video. I’m thinking about this machine for awhile now.
I just got a Breville Dual Boiler, and you're already making me want to return it an get this one... Please tell me it's possible to mod the BDB to smart-enable it? Does the slayer mod let me flow profile like this?
So, Miicoffee Apex with Gaggiuino mod? Well, modified mod, cause Gaggiuino uses a smaller display?
Similar, to the gagguiuno version with the scales, but easier when it comes to finding and downloading profiles. I'm using a Gagguiuno modded classic at the moment, it's brilliant, I prefer the Kafmasino, but still, Gagguiuno is great for the money.
My, ummm, wand is perfectly sized. Thank you very much
Where can I get that apron?
Does it have profiles with the Fellow ODE Brew Grinder (v1.1) ? And Dutch roasting companies?
I like it. Pretty good value for all the features. I expect you Dont get a tablet with it and dont forget if you are in the UK, you will have import dutys on top of the price.
Still like it, though. Also well done for the video. Fun as always.
Yeah you're right, tablet doesn't come with it. Yeah re import duty, although, they ship through the postal service so you hopefully won't quite get the same kind of rinsing you can get from certain couriers. Ta, Kev.
@@Coffee_Kev It's well above the price limit, so there will certainly be a duty imposed.
But isn't there some joy in doing things by feel and analogue old school...
Yes but this is tech like the Decent that is pushing boundaries with espresso. That tech is slowly making its way over to more analogue machines. Ultimately making better coffee.
There certainly is, and I totally get that, but still, this kind of tech has a lot going for it, I didn't think I'd enjoy it as much as I have done to be honest.
It does seem like there's plenty of traditional coffee content on UA-cam. This video adds a take to UA-cam on interesting advancements in the coffee world
That's why you get one of these plus a La Pavoni Europiccola.
The website looks a bit strange - contact form isn't working. Are the original founders still in the company? Is the first shippment really happening or is it just a big scam?
Yeah same founders. They've got a notice on the form saying they're having difficulties with it, and they're giving their email address on there and asking people to contact them via email in the meantime.
Grind settings are variable from grinder to grinder though.
Yeah for sure, but with some grinders at least, having a rough idea where someone else ended up at with a particular bean can be very helpful.
Yeah, I thought the grinder made all the difference. How are these profiles going to help with no standard grinder and grind profile... seems a bit sales pitchy
Different and interesting !
But surely it’s the quality of the grind that impacts everything whatever settings are stored on the app?
Quality of the grind is just as important as with any other espresso for sure
Plenge sounds like a bad thing :/ I’d like a video of me winning one of these in a competition please? Thanks ☺️
Great video! Interesting machine!
😆 I think plenge is like plunge but on a slight angle, so if you took the plunge but diagonally, you'd be taking the plenge.
Can it do brewing and pour over like the Decent?
Is the steam wand double walled/anti-burn?
Wot!?!?
Great machine. Would be perfect if it could also auto steam milk for those of us who are lazy.
Yeah that would be even better 😆. Ta, Kev.
Great video ☕️😎👍🏽
Thanks 😎
Ese producto es de Gemilai!!!😮😮😮😮
Is this based off of the CRM3007 series like the Miicoffee Apex?
Yeah the crm3007 is the same base machine I believe, Miicoffee Apex isn't based on the exact same machine though, the AVX DB1 is this same machine, the Miicoffee Apex (and Turin Legato) use a very similar machine with slight differences, they have a pressure gauge, and also a different thermoblock, and slightly different internal configuration.
Ta, Kev.
Hello there, Kev!
does the tablet come with it for the price?
No, it'll pair with any android or IOS tablet or smart phone
VERY interesting
It really is, such a great machine to play with - also, very repeatable shots, and when a shot goes wonky, you can bring that shot next to the last shot that was great, and inspect it all the way through to try to get an idea of what caused it.
It's brilliant for workflow too, being able to just slap your glass on the scale and press start, knowing it'll stop the shot for you at the target yield, so you don't need to hover over it, is very handy - although I usually find myself staring at the bottom of the basket anyway ;-).
At one hand it is very impressive, however, at the other hand, for me this is much rather an IT gadget than an espresso machine.
gaggiuino?
👏👏👏👏
For taste, all this tech is not really relevant. The bean, grinder and basket choices are far far more important than tweaking the brew shot itself.
These things are certainly important, but personally I don't think you'd be saying that this tech is irrelevant if you had tried it. I'm amazed at the difference the profiles make. I had a similar impression to you about the decent if I'm honest, the only reason I tried this is the guys offered to loan me the tester unit, I wasn't expecting to be impressed by it at all. Even less so when I saw how it looked if I'm honest, and then I started using it, and changed my mind.
This looks an awful lot like the machine from the df grinder folks with the gagguino mods added on and sold as an original product. It’s not an original product
I think it's like a DF product, where the manufacturer remains mysterious but they have different distributors selling it, and supporting it, with different additions on it depending on which part of the world your in.
they use a similar (not the same) base machine. Ta, Kev.
The base machine itself, yeah - although it's not the exact same base machine as the ones MiiCoffee & Turin use, it's the same base machine that AVX use for the DB1. Ta, Kev.
interesting maichine, maybe not for beginners.
Looks like the Miicoffee. Basically a modded version. Haha. Nice video.
Ta 😀 Actually the Kafmasino one came first, and it's not the same base machine although it's similar, but 'modded' would be a slight understatement 😆👍
Yeah, for £1k the whole look of it is just cheap and nasty. I'd rather save up for a decent or just go down the gaggiuino route. I would be interested if they made a mod board for the Bambino plus though.
1060 euros?! I am out
Cheaper than the decent lol
I mean, what did you expect? For what it is that’s a pretty good price.
1600 euros not 1060
Brilliantly complicated
Oh Gawd, it has a built in iPad? Why?
Did you not watch the video at all? :D Have you never heard of a Decent brand espresso machine, or something like the YOU? Do you have a suggestion for a better way to configure advanced profiles and parameters?
Sounds like a great machine, but for less than half the price I'll stick to my Gaggia Classic Pro.
Like AI You are distroying...
This is one of a number of high tech espresso profiling machines now available, which started with the Decent DE1.
I think we'll see more and more options like this, and it wouldn't surprise me if eventually the most popular machines are available with something like this as an optional add on.
This doesn't mean you have to buy a machine like this, though, or that machines like this will destroy traditional espresso. We could say the same for the modern semi-auto pump driven machines, with volumetric shot buttons and so on, we could say these destroy traditional lever espresso - but traditional lever espresso machines are still available if you want that experience.
Ta, Kev.
It's rather get a Lelit Victoria at that price range instead of this crooked machine made out of soft metal, even though it's packed with amazing features.
This machine is really about how it performs, but to be fair it's really sturdy, the base machine itself is really solid.
This is a waay more capable machine
@@Coffee_Kev man how come it's solid, I can see it on your footage, if you look at it from the side you can see the top part inclined, kinda folded a bit.
@@nhayes927 true, but I'm afraid it won't last for long. The price is in prosumer range but it's non-functional (quality) attributes are in sub $500 category.
@@orifkhodjaev1449this one I've got has been travelling the world for the past few years, and it's fine, and the parts are all easy to get hold of, so in reality I don't see any reason this machine wouldn't last as long as any other traditional machine as long as it's looked after.
so annoying u just pumping talking
Hey, am I able to message you privately on Facebook or Instagram please? I've recently had my own machine and I'm having real problems dialing in, I'm unsure wether it's the coffee I'm using or what but it's driving me crazy lol I need help lol
I do coffee consultations / lessons / troubleshooting if you need help. :D