Neat and so simple! I'd not heard of dowel centres until today and until I saw this video assumed I'd fit the dowel into the first piece and stick the dowel centres on the other end of the dowel, rather than putting them in the dowel hole! This should make aligning my end on end shelf extension a piece of cake (famous last words)!
I just did 16 dowels using the dowel centers and the joints were perfect! Much better than prior ones I've done using a dowel jig. This is now my standard method for doing dowels and I'll be much less hesitant to using dowel joinery in the future!
thats awesome thanks currently working on a project for a cage for some of my pets and my next step is drilling the dowel holes this is gonna save a ton of time.
In one of Matthias Wandel's many videos he showed how to get the most out of a self-centering doweling jig. He used the doweling jig to drill holes on the sides and ends of narrow stock and on wider board surfaces. He used a small piece of wood, approximately 0.75"W x 8"L x 0.5"D, placed it between the jaws of the doweling jig to keep the jig upright, clamped the stabilized jig to the stock, and drilled the holes. There's no guessing with his approach. Put centering lines on the small piece of wood, align the jig to your marks, and drill vertical holes with the doweling jig.
Dowel centers are also great for when you are working on a jig and need to make sure a drilled through-hole in one board aligns with a T-nut on a mating board. The dowel center in the hole tells you where the center for the T-nut needs to be or any other hole you need to align.
Wow, cool! I wish I would have watched this yesterday before I tried to line mine up, testing various methods before trying one that still left them off center a bit.
Thanks. I bought a General Tools doweling jig that came with no instructions. It included the centering plugs but I had no idea what they were for. I do now. 👍🏼
A lil after 1:25 the vertical board slightly shifts. Make sure you have a 90 degree guide board along the side of both boards. That lil shift means a lot!
In my experience, these are really hard to get accurate. Dowels have little to no play, so unless you get it absolutely bang on, things won't go togeather. The pins also only mark the position of the dowel, they don't help with drilling at the right angle. So you still need something to help there, like a drill press or something. All in all, I find dowels frustrating.
Same here, always have had issues with dowel angles. I once had (but lost) a drill attachment, with a T-bar that attached behind the chuck, with holes at the ends of the T, that slipped over 2 posts attached to a base, essentially turning a hand drill into a mini drill press. Barring that, I suppose a guide block with brass-lined holes is good. Very hard to just 'wing it' and have success.
@@OldDunollieman Depends on the accuracy you're looking for. Most people cannot repeatedly drill perfectly accuracte vertical holes .. which is kind of why drill presses exist ...Not saying you can't get really good at it with practise. But at the end of the day, this is a hobby for me. And I don't do it often enough.
Always more then one way to skin a goose. This one works and its been around for a wile, you can make homemade jigs also or buy expensive jigs. I kind of like loose tenons but dowls are also a good joint. You can spend 1000 bucks on a machine Or make a jig for your router. The key is making something accurate that works flawless every time you use it.
How do you think why he does NOT show the end result from close up...?:)) it's imposible to line it up correctly as it lifts the wood up from the wood you wonna attach too..
I'm sure I'm being overly concerned about this, but I wish there were a way to retract the spikes until I had the pieces actually butted up flush to the right spot before they marked the centers. Can't think of a way to do that offhand (short of a ridiculous bluetooth- or wifi-controlled motorized thing 😂), but it's stressing me out that I have to roll the piece into place and hope I've got my alignment correct.
The holes drilled without the jig? Some of it is drill technique/experience (another topic and one I'll do!) Beyond that, perfection isn't necessarily good, unless it is totally perfect. Dowels are imperfect in diameter, and we add glue into the dowel pockets, taking up space. The little bit of slop created allows space to correct for all the other variables, but when the job is done, a solid joint is achieved. Just don't get TOO sloppy! ;0)
There are different types of drill guides available. I bought mine from Big Gator Tools (Amazon) BGT V-drill 2 Pack V-drill guides W/25 SAE (Standard) Hole Sizes 1/8 - 1/2. They will hold your bit in a vertical position while you're drilling. Plus the bottom of the guides have a "V" shape that allows you to drill straight holes on curved surfaces such as a dowel or?
How can dowels be pricise by guesswork? Just by looking at the finished result, it's off by more than 1/8". Doint this on any work will lead to loss of expensive wood. You should really revise what content you're putting online.
What you didn't show was how to make the holes accurate, i.e., a drill guide, or how to position the dowel centers on the second piece, i.e., a line. In other words, you left out how to make them accurately. This is a POS video.
Airborne Ranger @1:15 he says that normally he uses a guide line. For short holes like these a drill guide is hardly necessary. The video isn’t a POS. It’s not a tutorial. It’s a product demo. And it did just that
No close up of the finished work. It's a half-assed way of presenting information. In pushing a product, he should have shown to what quality that product could perform. Instead he "showed" us how to use the dowel centers without verifying the possible accuracy of the work.
As a new woodworker I love you guys that teach me the tricks. Thanks!
Neat and so simple! I'd not heard of dowel centres until today and until I saw this video assumed I'd fit the dowel into the first piece and stick the dowel centres on the other end of the dowel, rather than putting them in the dowel hole! This should make aligning my end on end shelf extension a piece of cake (famous last words)!
I just did 16 dowels using the dowel centers and the joints were perfect! Much better than prior ones I've done using a dowel jig. This is now my standard method for doing dowels and I'll be much less hesitant to using dowel joinery in the future!
thats awesome thanks currently working on a project for a cage for some of my pets and my next step is drilling the dowel holes this is gonna save a ton of time.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge! I am building a shelf and will be using dowels for the first time.
In one of Matthias Wandel's many videos he showed how to get the most out of a self-centering doweling jig. He used the doweling jig to drill holes on the sides and ends of narrow stock and on wider board surfaces. He used a small piece of wood, approximately 0.75"W x 8"L x 0.5"D, placed it between the jaws of the doweling jig to keep the jig upright, clamped the stabilized jig to the stock, and drilled the holes. There's no guessing with his approach. Put centering lines on the small piece of wood, align the jig to your marks, and drill vertical holes with the doweling jig.
he's a sharp guy and on the point.
Thank you sir ! This is easy, not very expensive and accurate enough for most of my projects. Cheers from Canada,Polar Bear country.
I was racking my brain trying to figure out where to drill the holes so that boards are perfectly aligned! This helps. THANK YOU!
Dowel centers are also great for when you are working on a jig and need to make sure a drilled through-hole in one board aligns with a T-nut on a mating board. The dowel center in the hole tells you where the center for the T-nut needs to be or any other hole you need to align.
Hi. I have been using this for several years now. It is very comfortable
Wow, cool! I wish I would have watched this yesterday before I tried to line mine up, testing various methods before trying one that still left them off center a bit.
Awesome. Efficient. Easy. Clear. That you for the video!
This video is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks for the helpful tip!
Thanks. I bought a General Tools doweling jig that came with no instructions. It included the centering plugs but I had no idea what they were for. I do now. 👍🏼
Fantastic! I didn’t know the center points existed. 👍
Could of done with them today, never seen or knew they even existed, thanks for that , hope the hardware store has it. 👍
easy, peasy. this is exactly what I needed! thanks so much!
Thanks for this useful information.
Over the pond here in England you can buy a kit with depth stops, dowels drill bits and centres - all in one.
Thanks. My mind is blown. I got interested in dowl joiners & picked up The General dowl jig. And it had these. Now I know how to use them! 😊
Dowel.
Great information. Thanks for sharing with us.
Ha! I've just watched this to see what the collars were for- and see that I had already done this 2 years ago!
How soon we forget!
aweosme! thankjs for the vid. Short but comprehensive
simple video, but very helpful. Thank you.
A lil after 1:25 the vertical board slightly shifts. Make sure you have a 90 degree guide board along the side of both boards. That lil shift means a lot!
I noticed this too.
Thanks, was wondering how to do a corner dowel joint with a self centering dowel jig.
Love it!!!ty so much! New subscriber here.
Thank you, mister!
Just the information I wanted
My dowel placement usually suck so thanks. I am trying to get away from nails and screws as much as I can while still maintaing grip and strength.
I was looking for the name of those. Thanks
You/re great, good job...Thank you
How can a person give this guy a THUMBS DOWN ? ? ? Thanks for the tip mate !
In my experience, these are really hard to get accurate. Dowels have little to no play, so unless you get it absolutely bang on, things won't go togeather. The pins also only mark the position of the dowel, they don't help with drilling at the right angle. So you still need something to help there, like a drill press or something. All in all, I find dowels frustrating.
Same here, always have had issues with dowel angles. I once had (but lost) a drill attachment, with a T-bar that attached behind the chuck, with holes at the ends of the T, that slipped over 2 posts attached to a base, essentially turning a hand drill into a mini drill press. Barring that, I suppose a guide block with brass-lined holes is good. Very hard to just 'wing it' and have success.
I now use a Joint Genie jig which has a solution for that type of joints. Extremly flexible. I wonder why it's not more popular / known.
hold your drill straight..?
If you can't drill a vertical hole freehand, keep practicing. You do NOT need a drill press lol.
@@OldDunollieman Depends on the accuracy you're looking for. Most people cannot repeatedly drill perfectly accuracte vertical holes .. which is kind of why drill presses exist ...Not saying you can't get really good at it with practise. But at the end of the day, this is a hobby for me. And I don't do it often enough.
Excellent. Thank you.
Thank you! (I didn't know what the collars were for!)
Those are what i used for years & they are cheap
Nice quick tip! What kind of wood is that? Grettings from Argentina!
Great demo. Thanks
Nice one!
Thank you.
Great timing!
Always more then one way to skin a goose. This one works and its been around for a wile, you can make homemade jigs also or buy expensive jigs. I kind of like loose tenons but dowls are also a good joint.
You can spend 1000 bucks on a machine
Or make a jig for your router. The key is making something accurate that works flawless every time you use it.
Wow that's awesome 👌👏
Thank you
Thank you, sir!
Thank you!
Thank you!😊❤
very helpful! Thanks!
we need macro mode of your camera to see how precise is alignment of 2 details you joined
Awesome thank you
Thanks so much
How do you think why he does NOT show the end result from close up...?:)) it's imposible to line it up correctly as it lifts the wood up from the wood you wonna attach too..
well thank you sir was wondering how it works
Thanks for the vid!
Very good! Thanks.
Which has a stronger connection dowels or pocket holes
I'm sure I'm being overly concerned about this, but I wish there were a way to retract the spikes until I had the pieces actually butted up flush to the right spot before they marked the centers. Can't think of a way to do that offhand (short of a ridiculous bluetooth- or wifi-controlled motorized thing 😂), but it's stressing me out that I have to roll the piece into place and hope I've got my alignment correct.
THANK YOU
it works-thx
Thank you!!
Right on time...thank you!!! They actually came with my kit : General doweling kit 841038...i had no idea how to use them..until i saw your video!
Well whaddya know... I *served* under General Doweling in Grenada. :b
Thank you for showing this but my jig don’t have that
Good one 👍
Superb
you can use them metal fab too
How do you do that with a 23 degree joint?
Thanks
how do you figure the depth of the hole to drill?
Great !!
Would have newer guessed what those tiny things are for lol
thx
Personally I think dowels are great but it’s a case of being precise and prob needing a jig
This seems easy, but how do you ensure the holes on the top are absolutely vertical?
The holes drilled without the jig? Some of it is drill technique/experience (another topic and one I'll do!) Beyond that, perfection isn't necessarily good, unless it is totally perfect. Dowels are imperfect in diameter, and we add glue into the dowel pockets, taking up space. The little bit of slop created allows space to correct for all the other variables, but when the job is done, a solid joint is achieved. Just don't get TOO sloppy! ;0)
There are different types of drill guides available. I bought mine from Big Gator Tools (Amazon) BGT V-drill 2 Pack V-drill guides W/25 SAE (Standard) Hole Sizes 1/8 - 1/2. They will hold your bit in a vertical position while you're drilling. Plus the bottom of the guides have a "V" shape that allows you to drill straight holes on curved surfaces such as a dowel or?
Hell ya
Thats how my wife got me, hit me on the head with a mallet.
It's funny that a couple people are saying it doesn't work...after he just showed you it does.
I started with Woodglut plans.
Me smarter now
There are many similar projects in Woodprix's plans.
Great to see it. I did it too. The plans from Woodglut helped me a lot :)
dang, when did george lucas get into woodworking
How can dowels be pricise by guesswork? Just by looking at the finished result, it's off by more than 1/8". Doint this on any work will lead to loss of expensive wood. You should really revise what content you're putting online.
Don't look accurate enough, dowel jig much better in my opinion.
What you didn't show was how to make the holes accurate, i.e., a drill guide, or how to position the dowel centers on the second piece, i.e., a line. In other words, you left out how to make them accurately. This is a POS video.
Airborne Ranger @1:15 he says that normally he uses a guide line. For short holes like these a drill guide is hardly necessary. The video isn’t a POS. It’s not a tutorial. It’s a product demo. And it did just that
No close up of the finished work. It's a half-assed way of presenting information. In pushing a product, he should have shown to what quality that product could perform. Instead he "showed" us how to use the dowel centers without verifying the possible accuracy of the work.
Airborne ranger- suck ass!
@@talltimberswoodshop7552 Change your name to Airborne Whinger .You really are a whiny assed p.o.s. get a life , better still show us your video. lol.
seems like the way to go, thx.
Thank you!!