How to use a pocket hole jig for dowel joints!
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- Опубліковано 24 бер 2020
- In this video I show how to use a Kreg pocket hole jig to drill holes for dowel joints. Yes it works!
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This requires a drill, a bit, a trim saw, and a common inexpensive jig to complete. No measuring. No mortise too big for the tenon. No hours of acquired skill and wasted lumber to have to justify. Drilling two (or three) holes and filling them with dowels is nearly as basic as woodworking can get. And it's still very strong, practical, and efficient.
Thanks! That pretty much sums up my thoughts on this exactly! 👊 Thanks for watching!
@@MakerBeach When one is new to this type of work, or we want to do something for the house, there is a lot of tools that we do not know, good video and good work, is there a link to the tool you use to make the holes? I leave you a 👍
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It's a kreg pocket hole jig. Get them at lowes or home depot
@@bigrig0625 The k4 gig is on sale pretty cheap right now since the k5 came out.
@@mynameisbond711 The Kreg K4 and K5 are not the right jigs for this kind of project as Ken Cheney suggests. You want the R3 or better yet the 300 series for a project like this given that they are smaller, more versatile, and easier to handle. K4 and K5 are overkill.
You are a woodworking god, and thank you for not wasting my time with unnecessary intros and talk.
LOL thanks!
Pro tip….run a tenon saw along the length of the dowel to make a small groove. This allows the air to escape and release any pressure in the joint.
Love it!
I have done a lot of wood window reinforcement with dowels. I never did this. I don't think it's necessary. Even with pretty tight dowels the air escapes.
Nice!!
@@davefoc Or take your plane and make a couple of passed on two sides of your dowel
I always have my dowels go through end to end with this system. If just building a shop table, or a tool table (like I did with my router tables) a black walnut dowel going through lighter colored woods (I used swamp ash because it was lightweight, cheap, and i had a ton of it.) and it looks awesome when all said and done.
Also, if you are doing a 3 way joint (like a leg with a front and side apron) try to make sure your dowels don't bump each other in the leg.
I've used this technique on every table joint or permanant j8g joint in my shop for about 5 years and just figured thousands of ppl already knew about it. After all, my grandfather taught me with his steel "angle jig) when I was a youngin... and I'm glad PH jigs came out, because his jig weighed 20lbs if not more lol.
FYI , use your small PH jig to make a bigger one that can handle ½", ¾" all the way up to 1-½" dowels. Just take the block of wood that you wan5 to be your jig, and run the ⅜" bit through it. Then buy (or make) a long tapered drill bit in whatever size you need. Make sure the front 2inch tip of drill bit is ⅜" diameter, also it can guide the rest of your bit body along the path.
It’s been a year now and the chairs I made in this manner are still holding tight. Thanks for the shout-out !!
You're welcome! Glad to hear your chairs are still solid!
The cleverest thing was showing the direction of the drill bit next to the piece.
Thanks! Glad it was helpful.
This is one of those ideas that is so obvious no one thinks of it. I've had a Kreg jig for years and never thought of this. Bloody well brilliant! Cheers!
Thanks Ranni!
A structural improvement to this great idea. If doing three dowels, use two dowels space apart toward the edges on the inside of the apron. Then use one dowel on the other side of the apron in the middle. Thus the dowels will cross into the leg and mechanically lock the apron from pulling out. Of course the down side, is the dowel could be seen from the outside if the furniture is not painted. Another option is one dowel in the top edge of the apron and another dowel in the bottom edge of the apron. Some variations on this elegant concept...
Thanks! Those are great ideas. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Good idea to do cross dowels.
To build on that thought, I like the idea of making the dowels a statement. Using something like oak dowels with walnut could make an interesting statement. Hell, do them all in the most conspicuous places possible. This could make some beautiful, interesting joints. As strong as these joints would be, it might even come to speak of quality.
@@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284 I love that idea. I love accents and inlays so using a walnut dowel on an oak piece (or visa versa) really trips my trigger, lol.
@@vociferonheraldofthewinter2284 I like the idea, but I think it would just look, to a woodworker, like you plugged a pocket hole joint. Normal folks wouldn’t know that though!! 😅
Pocket dowels. Great idea. Thanks for adding the comment about gluing the apron to the leg. The only thing I’d do slightly differently is use a sanding block after trimming off the dowel ends. Can’t wait to try this!
Can't see the forest for the trees moment . Never would have thought to use dowels instead of the Kreg screws. This is why I love youtube so much. Thanks
Thanks, Larry! That's why I started a channel. I had to give back for all the amazing things I've learned. Thanks for watching!
@@MakerBeach Your welcome. I call it "that light bulb moment."
Really great idea! Thanks for getting straight to the point and not wasting 5 minutes at the beginning like so many other videos do.
Thanks! 👊
I've been a residential carpenter my entire life and retired now. I'm building bird houses, muzzle loaders, andchunting a lot.
But, I've been interested in dial rod joinery and you have sold me to getting this jig. Dial joints are very, very strong, especially if you use hickory dial rods. Just a tip, use hickory in high demand areas
Thanks, James! Yeah dowels are a solid choice. I got to tour the Thayer Coggin furniture factory in High Point, NC. They make very expensive, hand made, high end furniture and cut no corners on quality. They proudly use simple dowel joinery. The Egyptians used it too and they were pretty good at building stuff. Thanks for the hickory tip! I'm sure I could learn quite a few things from an experienced craftsman like you.
@@MakerBeach I'm from and located in Sampson county NC
Best tip find I have found so far on youtube. Excellent!
Thanks for the encouragement!
I was about to pull the trigger on a $200 dowel jig kit. It is nice but I am not rich. Nor am I going to use it to make money. With that item in my cart, at the last second, I googled "use Kreg as dowel jig" and your video popped up. Thank goodness. Thank YOU! And guess what. I already have a Kreg.
Wow that is great Leland! Thank you so much for sharing that with me. I'm glad this was helpful to you. Let me know how it goes if you try this technique!
Great idea. I just got a pocket hole jig for Christmas and now I know another way I can use if when I need more strength.
That's great! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Genius! I've been using pocket holes for years and never once thought about using it for dowel joinery. I don't know if I'd use it in my higher end client builds, but for personal projects and quicker stuff, this is great. Way stronger than the pocket screws. I'm glad YT served up this video! New sub. Thanks! - Joe
Thanks, Joe! And thanks for the sub!
Useful!
Very Pro... No unneeded Yakery....To the point ....kudos.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
This is incredible, have never seen this done before and I will definitely be doing it from now on. Hate those ugly screws, and the plugs never seem to work. Thank you for this video!!!
I love simple yet effective ideas. Love this one. I will certainly use in my builds.
Thanks!
I like how you follow up and explain your technique. Very thorough
Thanks, Tom!
Thank you for the tip. Now I want to go build something using this trick!
Thanks Joe! I'm so glad you found it useful.
You answered a question I've had since the first time seeing the Kreg pocket hole jig. Thanks 👍
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
Same here. I get what he says about having the idea on his own. I had the idea, too and immediately came to YT. Glad I did. Now I can justify buying or making a pocket hole jig. Cause those screws can be expensive.
A pretty no nonsense video, with some great information. I really enjoyed this, thanks!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks! 👊
This is the best tip/technique/idea I've seen in a long time, I will definitely use this
Thanks Fernando! I'm so glad it was helpful for you. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Stumbled upon this video just as I'm having lunch and about to do the exact same thing with the very same tool. Thank you!
That is so great to hear. Glad it was helpful and I hope your project comes out well!
it's a great idea and I just watched a gentleman on another video test all the kinds of wood joints,dowels like yours was the strongest.
Very clever use of the Kreig jig. I will definitely be using this method when the appropriate need arises. I do think for this application the two dowels were sufficient. Great idea.
Awesome! Glad you like the idea and thanks for watching!
That was a brilliant idea, loved the idea of using plugs instead of screws, going with three was a good idea too, so simple and easy to do, thank you 👍
Glad it was helpful and thanks for watching and commenting!
Hey man !!!! Just like I used to say back in the day !!!! Out of sight man !!!!!! Really awesome !!! So basic, easy to do, will definitely use it !!!! Thanks !!!!!
Excellent idea!
What a clever use of a pocket jig, I use one but wouldn't have thought to use it this way. Brilliant video. 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Just what I was looking for! Thanks a lot for such a simple and complete demonstration.
No problem Ivan, and thanks for watching! What are you building?
@@MakerBeach It is a wooden bench for the kids. pasteboard.co/JdNDBEO.png I want to join legs on glue and dowels instead of screws to make sure that it will hold safe and solid.
Looks great!
@@MakerBeach Thanks :) It is just a design for now. The next step is to make it real.
Simple, effective, strong, and even much cheaper! What an idea! Thanks for sharing. Now I kniw what to do with the Kreg jigs in my closet.
Thank you!
Thank you so much for this. Very clever use of the jig. Have been wanting to do dowel joins and have all the Kreg equipment so I am looking forward to trying your technique. And thanks for the video links!!
Glad it was helpful! Let me know how it goes if you try it!
This is brilliant!! Thank you for this amazing idea, keep the good work up!
Glad you like it!
I like it! Especially your thought process, of not wanting to learn a traditional mortise and tenon on this project, but also taking a dowel joint that some may find challenging to get aligned and making it more accessible to the beginner using the pocket jig. Another idea I saw on the Craftswright channel that might supplement this one, was to use pocket screws as clamps where a dowel joint would be awkward to clamp, such as in this case if someone didn't have a way to clamp a doweled leg on a table. Just drill as you did for the dowels, but leave room for a couple of pocket holes as well. You get the strength of the dowels with their large glue surface, plus the draw strength of the pocket screws, which can also be plugged with dowels to blend the appearance.
Thanks Bill! I'm publishing a follow up video to this one in a few days where I discuss ideas just like this. I've gotten a ton of great comments and suggestions like yours. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Great idea, I'm building a large outdoor table soon, love the idea and definitely glue after drilling.
Sounds great! Hope it goes well.
It's an excellent use of the pocket-hole jig. Thanks for putting this up.
Thanks Greg!
Just bought my Kreg kit. I like this for anything that is going to take some serious load. That kit is now a "two-for". Cheers.
That's great to hear. Thanks for watching!
Great idea, think I’ll use it in the near future.
Dude, your awesome, you and that other guy you was talking about. I'm happy for people like y'all, helping people like me figure shit out. Thank you!!
Thanks Mark! Glad this was helpful and thanks for watching!
Well, that is magnificent. I was going to use screws but this is so much easier and you just cut the dowel and you're done. No filling the holes. Thanks..
Thanks, Andy! I'm so glad this was helpful for you. I hope your next project goes great! Thanks for watching!
This is also less expensive than buying pocket hole screws.
I think it’s a pretty great idea and I’m glad that you put it up I might even give it a try myself. Seems like a decent alternative to getting a domino which is absurdly expensive
Thanks! Glad you liked it. Thanks for watching and commenting!
GENIUS! Festool who?
Thank you for sharing!
Thanks!
Really smart and creative! With this technique, Kreg pocket hole jig becomes much powerful!
Thanks! 👊
Finally! A simple way to connect corner boards w jig! This has always been a challenging task I always screw up... THANK YOU a million times!!
Thanks for the kind words Susan! I'm so glad it was helpful for you. Add another comment if you use this technique or if you have any questions. I'd love to hear about it!
I watched a few videos on pocket holes and this one has been the best. How you determined the depth makes complete sense to me. Thank you.
Thanks, Ricky! I'm glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching!
@@MakerBeach What's funny is that the video wasn't even what I expected initially. I am definitely going to try this method tomorrow.
That's great! Let me know how it goes!
@@MakerBeach Hi Sean, I tried it and it absolutely worked. I used pocket hole screws instead of a dowel and that was the only difference. Thank you!
Clever idea and thanks for sharing and for your honesty .Keep up the good work .
Thanks! I appreciate the compliment and thanks for watching!
Thanks for sharing this video. What a brilliant idea. I like the way it all looks invisible, no screws.! I will use this to experiment. 👍
Glad to hear it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Great idea- if you scribe out a small line along dowls the glue and air has a place to leak out and you get a 100% dowel depth every time
Yeah that's why I sanded them laterally instead of just spinning them on some sand paper. But I like your idea too!
Brilliant.
@@MakerBeach as long as air can get ,you can plane a small section off circumference, scribe ,sandpaper etc
Very good tip
Clever…. OCD…. But clever….. from an OCD Scottish guy. :)
I think it's a great idea. Even if no glue was used I'm thinking dowels would be more than adequate regarding strength. And since many people don't fill the pocket holes with a plug, the dowels would take care of that as well making the finished look superior to pocket holes without plugs. I really like the idea of using dowels instead of screws and am going to give this a go. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
The presentation is to use dowels instead of Mortice and Tenon joints, not instead of screws!
Its really a good idea! I'll definitely try this! Thank you so much for sharing!
Thanks for watching!
I thought about that when plugging pocket holes with dowels. Nice to see it implemented, definitely gained some tips, like the spacer for offsetting.
Yeah it just kinda hit me one day when I was trying to figure out how to make a table. Thanks for watching!
Thank you Sean. Now I know to do a dowel joint using the Kreg Jig. How good is that. I am an amateur woodworker in my 70s and enjoying this new found hobby with the simplest tool capable of creating a variety of things.
That's great to hear, Mary! I'm glad the video was helpful and thanks for watching!
Clever idea, thanks for sharing. Combine it with the HD jig and you'd have an extremely strong joint that both self-aligns and self-clamps
Great idea! 👊
What is the HD jig?
The HD jig is made for 2x4 construction and has a half inch drill. The now have the XL version which also uses a half inch drill. I just use the pocket screws but I can see where this would give you a solid all wood connection.
Wonderful Job
Thank you so much!!! I made a 2metersX1meter cypress wood table trusting you regarding the connections and although it is very heavy it is truly solid too. For sure relative adjustments made, yet the main idea was based on your great video!! Greetings and thankfulness from Chania- Crete- Greece
That sounds great! I'm so glad this video was helpful!
You can also do 2 (near edges ) dowls on one side and 1 on the other (in centre ) meaning the dowls are staggered and you get a very tight bond
Great tip!
First time viewer, and new subscriber. This is a really great idea in a few ways. 1-the joint is going to be stronger than it is with pocket hole screws. 2-you're not left with an ugly hole that you would have had to buy (or make) pocket hole plugs for. 3-using a dowel is less expensive than pocket hole screws.
I noticed you sanding your dowel by hand. Next time you use this technique, put your dowel into the chuck of your drill before cutting it to length. Then, gently wrap your sandpaper around the dowel, pull the trigger on your drill and run the sandpaper up and down the length of the dowel. Then cut your dowel to size, and it's ready for use.
Thanks for watching, subscribing and the tip! Yes, I've sanded dowels before with a drill and it definitely works. It also gets really hot really fast! Thanks for the compliments! Glad you liked the video.
I’ll be sure to try this!👍🏻
This technique is now in my Tips folder. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice technique I’ll be doing this now. I dig the Star Wars T-shirt too!
Thanks! You can never have too many makers wearing Star Wars t-shirts on UA-cam! Lol!
@@MakerBeach I'm actually wearing the same shirt while watching the video. :-)
Great video.!!!
best aspect is none of the usual UA-cam faff.
LOL thanks, Frank!
What a great demonstration, thank you, sir.
Glad you enjoyed it and thank you!
Love the idea and can't wait to try it. Nicely done.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Clever use of the jug. To make the dowels go in easier I would use Hide glue as it is "slipper" than yellow wood glue.
Great tip and thanks for watching!
What an excellent idea. I love this. You are like many amateur/weekend woodworkers out here. A lot of us haven't done mortise and tenon and we're nervous to attempt it on projects that we're building. Thanks for sharing this method with us. Stay safe.
You're very welcome. Yeah I think joinery can be intimidated to beginners (or anyone, really) and cause them to not try certain projects that require joinery. That was the case with me which is why I brainstormed for months on how to do joinery for a table that didn't require joinery experience or expensive tools.
Wow...I think it's an excellent technique for joining larger pieces of timber. I'll remember this. thanks.
Thanks, George! I appreciate the feedback. Thanks for watching!
Nice job!
Uma forma de unir peças simples e eficiente, muito bom e ilustrativo seu vídeo.
Obrigada!
El tarugo no toco la segunda madera , mmmm no good boy
I think a lot of people are commenting negatively on your recommendation of this method in a particular application instead of understanding that it will have merits in certain applications at some point that is not necessarily obvious now. You have shared another method of making a strong joint and I appreciate it.
Thanks, Marv! I think you are right. I'd really like to do a follow up video that clears up some confusion. Thanks for the kind words! 👊
So cool, Tks for this perfect presentation
Great idea, I shall try that. Thanks a lot
Great video .... Guess who subscribed !!! Good stuff
Thank you for the sub! 👊
Would really love to see a side by side comparison of strength test between the dowel joint and pocket holes.
Me too!
Mattias Wandel did that on his youtube channel
@@vectors2final36 I looked and it seems he did tenons and pocket holes, not dowel joints and pocket holes. Maybe I can't find it, but send me the link if you can find it. thanks
That was really a great idea. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Great job making the video. Very easy to follow.
Barry
Thanks, Barry! Glad it was helpful.
great idea...........jig for dowells.............gotta love it!
You've done a good job, so you don't even see the hole getting a clean, professional job.
Thanks!
Am considering using this method for asthetics. Maybe drill all the way through, use a different color dowel [darker color?] Of course gluing joint and dowels. Trimming off both ends for projects that I stain. I think will add a cool look. Am going to try this out. My thoughts: I would think with solid wood through the entire joint and of course plenty of glue, that this would actually be a very strong joint after drying compared to a metal screw. Just a thought. So yeah blow it out all the way through, then run your dowel through and through.
Yeah I've pondered the same thing. Let me know how it turns out if you try it. I'd love to see it.
That’s the best reason to use dowel joinery is for the aesthetics
Love that saw
Great idea, I clocked this video just before I was about to watch something else... and I thought hmmm 🤔
Wondered how it would work and it's a great idea 👍
Thanks, Pete! Glad you liked it.
That is a great idea for longer pocket holes. You would definitely have to make sure you can get the table out of the room without disassembling it, or leave in in the room forever. :)
Ha ha... I wish I had a table so big it couldn't leave the room! The one I made is a standard height table so turning it on its side allows it to fit through almost any door.
Interesting idea. Thanks, I may give it a try. I would ask however if there is an advantage over using screws?
Dowels should be stronger with all the glue surface area they provide. Screws can get loose if the joint gets torqued enough. In some cases it does not matter but a table leg can take a lot of stress. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@MakerBeach Good points. Thanks for your quick reply.
Great use of a tool for another application...two in one. Good explanation and demonstration.
Glad it was helpful!
That is a sweet technique can't wait to try it on my family's table
Thanks! Let me know how it goes! 👊
Great concept and technique. I have one question: Would the dowels on the perpendicular board, attached to the leg at 90 degrees, interfere with the other two/three dowels? I am just wondering about that.
Good question. I guess it's possible if the legs are narrow but you can avoid that pretty easily when you do your layout. I used this technique on legs that were 5 inches square at the top so there was plenty of space. Thanks for watching!
If one offsets the location of the dowels in each apron that should not be a issue.
I did a process like this in some projects, a kind of, but I use the jig normally, with screws, cos they act as a clamps during the glue up. When the glue is dry, take off the screws, and the hole they live act as a guide for the large drill, that you can use without the jig.
Yeah I've heard of that technique. Simple and useful!
Remaking Vintage, when you do that how do you control depth in order to not go through the other side? Do you just “feel it out”, or do you adjust your stop collar, or something else? Thanks
Love the idea. I'm going to give it a try on my next project
Awesome! Let us know how it goes!
Great idea! Thanks for the very clear tutorial!
Glad it was helpful and thanks for watching!
Why would you not just use pocket holes with screws? would that not be just as strong as the dowels?
For a small table, yes. For a large table with really large, chunky legs I questions whether pocket hole screws would stay secure and tight. I don't think screws would completely fail but I do think they could loosen up over time.
No way would that be as strong. Diesel truck is 10times stronger IMO
Neat idea, I’d never considered this method. However, considering the amount of time this method takes (allowing for the glue to dry) why not just use that time to make a proper mortise and tenon joint? With a little practice a M+T joint would actually be faster. I’m certainly not dissing this method as it obviously will work great, but I’m just not really seeing the advantage. Anyway, great camera work and your audio is perfect. Very well done. 😉👍
Thanks, Marty! I've never thought of mortise and tenons as quick. I also have never tried it! Part of the reason for this method is to facilitate making a strong joint with beginner level skills and inexpensive tools. I would love to do mortise and tenon but I don't have a mortiser and my chisels are junk. 😉 Thanks for watching and all the nice compliments! 👊
*Using this method, you could make productive use of the time it takes for the glue to dry* to do any number of things in the shop, the house, the yard, etc.
In the time it takes to do 8 mortise & tenon joints the traditional way for a table, you'd be practically done attaching the table legs & aprons using this dowel method _AND_ you'd already be working on the table top!
The length of time for the glue to dry is not a factor as you would also be using glue in the M+T joint.
@@bruceharvey8810 that's true! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Nice alternative use to the pocket jig. I will have to give it a whirl!!! Thx for sharing
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Lovely stuff 😀
What’s the purpose of this instead of using regular pocket screws?
This is for doing dowel joinery in a location where a normal dowel jig would not fit. Also, dowels and glue will be stronger than screws.
That's what I was thinking. Just replacing screws with a dowel? I mean it's a alright idea. And you get more glue surface area I guess. Or just make a Dowling jig. Not a horrible idea though
I don't get it, dowel jig is just as easy and no visible fasteners on your peice. But if you like it, it's your wood so enjoy.
I didn't have a dowel jig so this is how I improvised.
That's such a great idea and an easy way to improve it even more is to drill the 2 holes for the dowels into each piece at 90° to the face of the wood so the ends will be hidden after joining. You can get really inexpensive jigs to ensure those 4 holes are always perfect, there's no clamping or cutting and the pre-cut dowels are designed specifically for gluing. ✌️
Nice demo, thanks!
Glad you liked it! Thanks!
It's a very smart and good way to assemble large and strong pieces of wood together, thanks for the information.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Very efficient. I like it. Just starting a 3’ x 8’ sewing centre for my wife. 2” x 6” poplar legs and aprons and a solid core mahogany commercial door top. All salvaged and surplus material in excellent condition. Very heavy. This method of joint construction is very strong and cost effective. Good thinking. Thanks!
This is a pretty bomb idea. Even if someone else had it too. It's still your idea. Thanks. This made it so much easier to glue up and mate the sides of two boards perfectly
Thanks!👊
What a cool idea! Thanks!
Thanks Mike!