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15 COOL things you can do with a Tormek
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I couldn't justify the expense but I bought one anyway, and have not regretted it one bit! Wonderful piece of kit.
My dear James, I'm becoming addicted to your channel. I've just started to seriously consider purchasing a Tormek (T8) tool sharpening station. When I looked up on UA-cam I immediately clicked on this channel. Thanks again for your great information. The world needs more people like you. God bless.
Greetings from France.
A hollow grind on the two faces of a screwdriver is actually an advantage. The faces are closer to parallel so make for a better contact with the inside faces of the screw slot which reduces slipping.
Exactly, I grinded one of my screwdrivers specificly for slimslotted saw screws, it works wonderfully with the hollow!
my only regret is I bought mine about 15 years ago and there are some things I like about the new ones, but my old one still works like new I think it will outlast me
I'm a Turner who got one for quick and easy gouge sharpening. But it's versatility is outstanding.
James, I added a CBN 800 grit wheel to my Jet knockoff and I cannot be more pleased. No more water mess or refreshing the stone.
I have had a Tormek for years. The only problem I have had is the rubber feet have come off, the glue don't stick no more. Also just a tip (I do not know if it really helps) but I only us distilled water, I do this to keep mineral build in the stone. Like I said I did not know if this helps.
Thanks. Is there a way to true the side of the wheel?
I hemmed and hawed between this, Kodiak system, and Wicked Edge. For knives mainly. I decided on the 50th anniversary Tormek be sure it has more versatility when I need to expand to other needs. The 50th edition came with a diamond wheel, so that added to my pros of the Tormek. The regular version is the normal grinding wheel, and it wasn’t adding points to the system.
Nice video now my decision is clear to buy a tormek t4 thx from Germany 🇩🇪
What would be the best stone to use on the tormek?
I use mine for almost every cutting tool I own. Definitely worth the investment to me
I've had one for many years now. Saved up and got one new accessory per year as budget would allow. Wonderful system. I still use stones for some things but most on the Tormek. A big game changer, though took me several years of saving, is the Japanese stone for it. Beautiful polished edges on knives and perfect edges on carving tools and micro bevels on chisles and plane blades.
Brian A, thank you for your sharing. Which Japanese stone do you recommend? Are there more than one option? What about the diamond stone, would you recommend the Japanese stone over it ?
@@organogardener9210 There is only one Japanese stone available. It is good for polishing after the bevel is already established. They have new diamond wheels but I am not familiar with them.
I've wanted one for over 25 years and couldn't justify buying one. Now, I don't care, why settle for second best when I always put my best foot forward. Thank you for a nice video.
Thanks for the great video James. Maybe someday I can afford one.
I've had a Tormek for years and even though I probably don't use it enough to justify what I paid for it, it really is nice to have.
James, you had me sold at kitchen knives. lol
Had my Tormaek for a year or so now and It's great. I don't make money with it but it is great using a very sharp whatever.
Looks like a wonderful system, with a flawless reputation. I figure, though, that with all of the accessory jigs I would need, that I'd be looking at $1,200 - $1,500 to sharpen all of my 'stuff!!' A very tough bite out of a fixed income...even if I sold a number of projects! I guess I'll stick with stones, and maybe choose a mantra to stave off the mind-numbing monotony of sharpening! LOL
It’s pricey but not anywhere near that expensive. If you can do some resharpening for friends and charge a reasonable fee, you can recoup your investment fairly quickly. I find my Tormek invaluable.
Find a used machine, even the beat up looking examples have plenty of life left in them, just as long as there's plenty of wheel left. Here in the U.K you can get the smaller machine for around $200 used, and there's quite a few jigs on eBay too.
That was very informative and fast paced, many thanks. My main question was if you could use it for card scrapers, now I'm sold!
Great video James!
I watch most of your videos and have noticed you have endorsed different ways of sharpening wood lathe tool methods from diamonds to wet wheels and also how often you sharpen them while working both for similar types of wood turning projects. So, being a bit confused, is their a "best", what do you use today and why, and how often do you sharpen them?
No, there isn't a best way. It entirely depends upon whether you prefer to sharpen by hand or machine, how much you can afford, and the type of tools you most often sharpen.
Thanks for sharing that
Just excellent. Its gonna be painful but I'm doing it!!
I noticed that you often sharpen with the direction of the wheel and not opposite as Tormek videos demonstrate. Any reason? Great channel and thanks for your thoughtful videos. Mark in Colorado.
The machine is designed for sharpening in either position. In videos they usually sharpen from the top because they can stand behind the machine and let the camera have a better view. I prefer letting the wheel turn away from me so I draw out a burr from the edge, as that tells me when to stop sharpening.
@@StumpyNubs And that's why I like your channel & content - always well thought out and makes sense. Thank you for your advice and time. Stay well.
I personally use a Sorby pro edge to sharpen my tools, but there is no doubt the tormek is a fantastic option.
Great tuto....tks
How well does it keep the water in the trough? Curious if water splashes all around.
The water stays inside the trough when the wheel is turning - You have to add water a couple of times if the Stone has dried out, but once fully charged, the Stone rolls smoothly through the water without splashing... If you add too much water, it will discharge below the trough... ie The trough only holds 'so much'. There are Min/Max lines in the trough.
@Stumpy Nubs do you do any wood carving?
I am buying a T8. I will use it almost exclusively to sharpen chisels and plane irons. Do you recommend substituting the CW-220 composite honing wheel or sticking with the traditional leather, given my purposes? Thanks.
I really like the composite wheel.
@@StumpyNubs Thanks. Many others seem to feel the same. I'm ordering it today.
Should I be sharpening stuff likes knives using the front support?!?! Ive always used the rear vertical support to set the angle and sharpen
You can sharpen on either side. Some prefect to sharpen knives from above the stone because the direction of the grind pulls the burr away from the edge. I sharpen from the front because that's what I am used to.
I notice you have some other stropping wheels of the side of the main strop. What are those?
Those are profiled wheels for carving and turning gouges.
Do you have a vid that shows how to flatten chisel / plane blade on tormek?
Do you home your chisels and plane blades with it. I usually just need to touch mine up with polishing compound.
I usually just use the stropping wheel freehand to touch up the chisels. Hand plans I tend to let get a bit more dull, so those get a light sharpening on the stone.
Hi, Stumpy Nubs, thank you very much for this great video. Your tools chest is impressive. Curious, what brand would you recommend for curve chisels? I am in need of a set to carve wood troughs.
I have had a Tormek for about 15 years now and find it glacially slow. Have you considered buying a CBN replacement wheel? If so is it worth the cost.
I love my Tormek. Yes, it can be slow if you have to grind away a lot of material, but you may be surprised how much you can speed it up by using the stone grader to rough up the stone surface. Then as you grind you can lift up on the end of the tool that's not on the stone, levering the cutting edge into the stone with greater force. It won't hurt the stone, and it speeds things up a lot... That said, a courser stone will be even faster. I have a CBN wheel and I also have the Tormek diamond wheels. Both are good choices. But try my tips above before investing in different wheels.
@@StumpyNubs what are your thoughts regarding Japanese stones over the Diamond wheels?
@@organogardener9210 The japanese stone produces the finest finish of any of their wheels. I love it for carving tools. Many people like it for very sharp knives as well. But I don't bother with it for regular woodworking tools.
@@StumpyNubs Thank you for that prompt reply. If you would to start over and knowing what you now know, which diamond wheel, if you can only pick one, would you pick?
A good way to change grits in the SG stone and keep your stone square/parallel with the universal support bar is with cheap diamond plates clamped in the square edge jig.
What model do you recommend?... if on a tight budget... what model do you recommend? Many thanks and keep up the great work! Cheers
If you're on a tight budget, I recommend the smaller and less expensive T-4. It will do just about everything the T-8 will do for about half the price.
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I'm a bit late here but I just ordered the T-8. I was thinking of getting the stripped down T-8 and getting the Knife Grinders CBN wheels and their felt honing wheel. But I decided to just get the T-8 kit with the SG-250 stone and leather honing wheel. The reason why is because it isn't advisable to sharpen scissors or other similar cutting tools on diamond or cbn wheels because the angle is too steep and it would break off the diamonds or cbn crystals. Right now I'd like to be able to sharpen anything, with the SG stone I can. Later on I'll get the CBN wheels and felt honing wheel and use the SG wheel for scissors, etc....
Looks like I need to get watering the money tree
haaaa! Gotta get that domino, that tormek and those lee valley planes!
I have a Tormek and have only sharpened knives and chisels with it. I used to have more disposable income than I do now. It is a good "jack of all trades" but it is a master of neither knives or chisels. Don't get me wrong, it will do a wonderful job but in all cases in sharpening anything; it leaves a hollow grind. If you are good with that, then have at it.
Those things are amazing, do you need to take a diamond to the wheel occasionally? I recall from my childhood a made with a wheel, bigger but similar proportions, attached to his bicycle. He would sharpen just about anything on it. Simple times.
Yes, there is a diamond truing tool they make for it. Of course, that only applies to the standard stone. They also make diamond stones which never need truing.
@@StumpyNubs how many rpms do those wheels do please. They seem very slow
@@davidharvey5672 They're slow so they don't generate heat. Rest assured they cut quick enough.
what's the difference between tormek and a regular bench grinder ? just the water part ?
Tormek is slow-speed, water cooled, wider wheel face, you can grind safely on the side of the wheel and most importantly, the jigs and micro-adjustable tool rest make it more accurate so you remove far less steel.
Any tips for sharpening my antique Craftsman molding head cutters? For now, I use a flat diamond sharpener and an EASY touch with a small chainsaw file........ seeking a more consistent and/or easier way,
Tormek has a jig for moulding knives. Not sure if it will work with those tiny cutters, but it might.
@@StumpyNubs I'm enough of a metalsmith, I believe I could "whittle" something up that'd work - got a serious case of sharpener envy goin' on here!
Stumpy, of all the sharpening systems you have used or reviewed, which would you recommend? A quality grinder with a CBN on one side and strop on the other seems like a nice option too. And probably less expensive.
Maybe I should make a video about that... Short answer: it depends on you. If you like hand sharpening, I prefer a diamond stone followed by a strop and paste. Use a grinder with a CBN wheel for when you have to repair or reshape a bevel (that would take a long time on a stone). If you like power, the Worksharp is an inexpensive option that may require some homemade modifications. The Tormek is more expensive, but also faster, more capable and will last a lifetime. There are pros and cons to everything.
@@StumpyNubs Thanks for taking the time to reply. And, yes, you should definitely make a video about it.
Hi James, I know you live in Michigan. I'd imagine that you have to keep the Tormek out of freezing weather to prevent the stone wheel from cracking. Do you keep your shop heated all the time in the winter?
Yes.
You have talked about how great CBN wheels are also - is the Tormek only superior in its lower heat generation and number of jigs (assuming the difference in hollow grind is negligible - which may or may not be correct)?
The Tormek is a machine that drives a wheel. CBN is the type of wheel. Two different things. You can buy CBN wheels for the Tormek, and they come with the same advantages as using them with a grinder, with the addition of slower speeds and the jigs on the Tormek. You can also buy diamond wheels for the Tormek.
Thanks for the reply. I should have clarified that I did know the fundamental differences of the grinder based CBN and Tormek water stone or diamond wheels. I'm more wondering if CBN would handle at least chisel and plane blade sharpening just as well. Seemed like an economic option for the with a grinder already. But I was curious if there sharpening was more tedious and/or easy to mess up the temper as to make Tormek clearly superior and therefore possibly worth the investment from that standpoint in addition to the many hugs.
I really enjoy how informative, concise and humorous your videos are!
Have you used their drill sharpening jig. It looks pretty interesting to sharpen twist drill, but it is a fairly large investment and I have not seen and independent reviews on it.
I have never used it. Most folks just replace drill bits because they buy cheap ones. I own good drill bits from Fisch, but they have special spur points that can't be sharpened on the Tormek.
I bought the tormek SHE DID WARN ME ! Now I sleep with the dog 😂😂
For carbide router bits - and probably shaper bits, DMT and especially Trend have some diamond solutions, but this seems like an exceptionally good solution to all else. I had a Shinko Sharpening Machine (big Japanese round water stones mounted in a horizontal water bath) for some years and loved it. It was not suitable for small tools like cutter heads/router bits) and probably not for carbide. The jigs weren't as good, looks like. Through a tragic accident, it froze and broke the three stones. If i could get just the three stones, I'd do it, but not if i have to order from Europe; the shipping kills me..
Now i have to decide where to spend my hard-earned, decreasing-value money. Trend? Tormek? Even DMT? I sure like the idea of that Sharpening Station.
Hey Stumpy! Open for suggestions.
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James, try a CBN wheel with the Tormek. No wheel maintenance after touching up turning gouges.
I have one. I also have the new Tormek Diamond wheels. Love them.
Did not know you could use a CBN wheel on the Tormek, figured the slow turning speed would not be enough.
I just wish they would make them available for my T4. However I still love my tormek.
Have you sharpened lawn mower blades on Tormek?
No, I don't need razor sharp lawnmower blades. But you certainly could do it if you wanted to.
Always the key. Thanks
Ok Tormek is the way to go for blades and chisels. There are a lot of DIY carbide circular saw grinders on youtube. What is the lowdown on factory made? The Harbor Freight circular saw sharpener is not worth the cheap price they charge. I'd be happy to spend 500 bucks if it worked. I used to file high speed steel blades with a file. With carbide you need a diamond wheel.
Nice System but personally I cant justify the price
Any thoughts on tormek vs worksharp? You've recommended both over the years.
I have recommended Worksharp as a less expensive alternative. I have one and still use it from time to time, especially when I have to do a lot of grinding on the back of a plane iron (you can use a coarse sandpaper and make quick work of it). I wish they still sold a Tormek bar for it so you could use the jigs, though.
@@StumpyNubs I bought the tormek bar and made own bracket to hold it to the side of my worksharp. I can send u a picture if you want, but it's basically some scraps of plywood and a pair of bolts and wing nuts.
I have wanted one for years but just can't come up with the money on a fixed income.
I've wanted one a long time as well, and just got one last week. I'm not new to the high end sharpening market, I have a fully stocked Gen 2.5 Wicked Edge that I have been using and upgrading for 5 years, and I have full set of Japanese water stones and diamond lapping plates. But still $980 (T8 with handtool kit, with tax) was a big investment in a single jump, I've spent more on my WE, but that was spread over the years.
But if you really want one, think of it as more of an investment. Talk to family and friends and see if they would want you to sharpen their kitchen knives for like $10 per to help pay for it, that right there can easily make you back $300+ in the first month. Also consider you can often buy stuff like this with a payment plan, for example with Amazon Prime you can get it on a 5 month plan, for less than $200 a month with no interest. If you have enough free time, and reach out actively for customers, you can make that with sharpening.
I finally bought a T8 because it's supper fast, I will be able to keep up with my established customers while working my full time job, I can't do that with my Wicked Edge anymore. Also, I'm still early on in practice and testing, but it works amazingly well with the Wicked Edge, I can do all the stock removal with the T8, and then do the final polishing and detail work on the more accurate WE.
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James do you use a CBN on your Tormek?
Sometimes. I also have diamond wheels for it. Not sure which I like best yet.
Stumpy Nubs That’s cool. Did you get the diamond wheel from the same source as the CBN wheels?
@@ronh9384 - No, the Diamond wheels come from Tormek. The CBN wheels come from Woodturnerswonders.com
Do you prefer the Tormek over the Toycen from Canada?
I've never used the Toycen
I was expecting it to be $2k for the unit. Might consider it down the road.
How long does the stone last?
Many years.
I bit the bullet awhile back and bought the tormek t8. I don’t get everyone’s deal about the money... yes it’s expensive, but you get a crazy good warranty and you know it’s a lifetime tool. I sharpen my knives, woodworking tools, scissors, and gardening tools on it. It’s easy once you learn the system, and I can batch out all the kitchen knives in well under an hour and have great working edges, or my chisels, or any other set of tools for that matter.
I purchased the T4 years ago and its just a dust collector. I have not figured out how to use the machine. Got all the adapters thinking everything in the home will be sharp! Nope. Anyone have any great references sites, I’m all eyes. The video that came with the unit did not help much. Thanks for sharing
Tormek has a UA-cam channel full of detailed tutorials.
@@StumpyNubs thanks
I mean generally, when you are working with wood you are saving a lot of time that you don't have to sharpen chisels by hands so that's already money that is coming back to you.
Maybe 👹Count Dracula could sharpen his fangs with this tool?
The Tormek is definitely among the finest sharpening tools available but @ $730+ it is more than a little out of my affordability range. I have been sharpening my tools by for 60+ years. My edge tools are about as sharp as possible and I believe my belt knife is just as sharp as yours.
the only draw to the thing for me is sharpening lathe tools... but a good slow speed grinder, and a wolverine jig combined cost less than the tormek
Buy a used machine with little risk, the build quality means they go on for years. Here in the UK they are approx. half the price of a new machine.
FYI the tormek jigs fit the wen wet sharpening systems
Yes, Wen is one in a long line of low-end manufacturers over the years that have tried to knock off the Tormek by producing a low quality machine that looks similar. But the imitators rarely even attempt to copy the jigs. They know they may be able to make a machine out of cheap parts that will at least spin for a while and fool a lot of customers. But if they applied their cheap materials and poor quality control to the jigs, they simply wouldn't work.
If you add the cost of what comes with a Tormek to the price of the Wen, the difference is not so significant. Don't get me wrong, I can't afford a Tormek either, but I did some checking when I thought about buying a cheaper knockoff version...
@@StumpyNubs I haven't used the wen machine, but I gather you don't like it?
I'm just saying there is a reason the Tormek isn't $150.
@@StumpyNubs yeah, I'm sure of that. It's a decent option for getting into the tormek system. if/when the thing goes out upgrading to a tormek would be a little easier having the jigs already.
Can you sharpen japanese chisels on it?
You can, but most Japanese tool enthusiasts do not like a hollow grind that comes from the shape of a grinding wheel. They prefer to use flat stones.
@@StumpyNubs I just got my first set of japanese chisels but I suck at patience to hand sharpen, which is why I got a Tormek. I'll give it a try. Thank you.
I totally agree that no other tools I’ve found gives as good of results as my Tormek.
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Better options out there
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