Sonic 3 Prototype & others - But does it work on Real Hardware?

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  • @FlamingFoxProd
    @FlamingFoxProd 4 роки тому +232

    5:21 _And so, all out of options and running out of hope, I did the only thing I could and I booked a flight to Japan._

    • @gnaurai6251
      @gnaurai6251 4 роки тому +3

      i got it

    • @Mysgelatin
      @Mysgelatin 4 роки тому +17

      he went there for a f***ing sticker

    • @stupidface2292
      @stupidface2292 4 роки тому +7

      damn you Nick

    • @Sonen10
      @Sonen10 4 роки тому +3

      Pizza

    • @jace8289
      @jace8289 4 роки тому +9

      I didn't expect a Nick Robinson reference in a redhotsonic comment section

  • @9393zach
    @9393zach 4 роки тому +124

    MY THEORY IS
    by the time this Sonic Chaos was being programmed Aspect was using Mega Drive hardware to test the game, so they didn't bother testing it on original hardware so early. You should try it in a master-gear converter!

    • @adamsfusion
      @adamsfusion 4 роки тому +24

      This is my thought too. 1993 was really late for the MS and it's likely that dev teams opted to use the much more powerful MD development kits during initial production and demo stages.

    • @PercyPanleo
      @PercyPanleo 4 роки тому +24

      As someone else has mentioned, the game is actually looking for a port that doesn't exist on the consumer Master Systems that was used for music development. Thus, the game hangs. I'd imagine that if it works on the Mega Drive, it may work on the FM Master System.

    • @VancouverFan
      @VancouverFan 2 місяці тому

      or a power base converter

  • @ScatterbrainPete
    @ScatterbrainPete 4 роки тому +214

    3:36 That's interesting. Perhaps it could be a sign that the game was made for the Master System first and then ported to the Game Gear.

    • @redhotsonic
      @redhotsonic  4 роки тому +60

      Yeah, I think that's exactly the case here :)

    • @Den_Ukrainian001
      @Den_Ukrainian001 Рік тому +4

      ​@@redhotsonicRed-Hot-Sonic, do you know Sonic the Hedgehog on Master System has some secret codes?

  • @Oysterblade84
    @Oysterblade84 4 роки тому +6

    Awesome review redhotsonic!
    Loved every minute of it.
    Aside from the world wide Game Gear version in 60Hz, it's funny you call the PAL Master System the (rubbish one) because Sonic Chaos if purchased for the SMS was intended to be played in 50Hz back in 1993 and it was only released in PAL regions.
    Would love for you to do a quick review of these hacks on real hardware:
    1. Sonic Redemption
    2. Sonic 1 The Blue Blurr
    3. Sonic 1 & 2
    Three of my all time favourite (broken Sonic hacks).

  • @nathanielhermanson3110
    @nathanielhermanson3110 4 роки тому +9

    5:35 advertisement break.

  • @Cliffordlonghead
    @Cliffordlonghead 4 роки тому +1

    Awesome Video

  • @brittanybasinger4163
    @brittanybasinger4163 4 роки тому

    First video i've watched of yours, awesome!

  • @bluecoldsonic
    @bluecoldsonic Рік тому +1

    For some odd reason, when i tried playing Sonic CD version 0.02 on my mega-cd, i got no audio except for the SFX of sonic jumping, spindashing etc.
    Is there a reason for this Redhotsonic?

    • @redhotsonic
      @redhotsonic  Рік тому +2

      I can't say for sure but sounds like when you burned the ISO, it was not including the tracks. So the game is probably trying to play the music, but it's non-existant.

    • @bluecoldsonic
      @bluecoldsonic Рік тому +1

      @@redhotsonic ah ok, also the ISO file was from Sonic Retro 😂

    • @bluecoldsonic
      @bluecoldsonic 9 місяців тому +1

      ​@@redhotsonicalso did you know that the Member called "Lee Clark" was me back in 2019?

  • @cube.comment
    @cube.comment 2 місяці тому

    Fun Fact: Did You Know Sonic 2 Used To Have Time Travel?
    We Can Know This Because Wood Zone Is A Past Version Of Metropolis.

  • @PotatoeV96
    @PotatoeV96 8 місяців тому

    For some Reason in Hydrocity Zone when the drowning Jingle starts when you go in Debug/Air it plays an early Version of Mushroom Valley Zone Act 1

  • @L._Vireo
    @L._Vireo 3 місяці тому

    You should've tested if Sonic 3 locked on with Sonic & Knuckles.

  • @Luix
    @Luix 4 роки тому +7

    Sonic 3 complete works on real hardware?

    • @jamesrgamesoffical
      @jamesrgamesoffical 4 роки тому +3

      Luis Mediavilla that actually does exist with a cartridge you don’t a emulator for it

    • @Thamus979
      @Thamus979 3 роки тому

      @@jamesrgamesoffical :V

  • @noahmajor7616
    @noahmajor7616 4 роки тому +1

    I love the handheld megadrive that plays Sonic chaos. :v

  • @keeveekoomoo2083
    @keeveekoomoo2083 4 роки тому +1

    put the sonic 3 prototype in sonic and knuckles

  • @EnsignChummi
    @EnsignChummi 4 роки тому +1

    He Asked for Disliking So I am
    Im liking.

  • @lucianothewindowsfan
    @lucianothewindowsfan 4 роки тому

    Maybe the Jun 30th prototype has an anti-piracy feature.

  • @enderbo
    @enderbo 11 місяців тому

    We tested NTSC-U, PAL, and NTSC-J, but it doesn't work on real hardware
    *SECAM has left the game*

  • @gamingteen3336
    @gamingteen3336 Рік тому

    well to answer your question: It's Baeta

  • @sjogosPT
    @sjogosPT 2 роки тому

    Maybe sonic chaos worked on mega drive because of newer sms bios. Would be interesting to try it on master system 2 (more modern bios than sms1).

  • @Kazuo1G
    @Kazuo1G 4 роки тому

    3:40 I think the wrong size is because they're using SMS graphics and layout on a system with a lower screen size and resolution.

  • @GenGamesUniverse
    @GenGamesUniverse 4 роки тому

    I'll give these a try via my RGH Xbox 360's Sega Emulator.

  • @badassshadow5332
    @badassshadow5332 3 роки тому

    The sonic 3 prototype actually had level select codes
    Super sonic: 2,4,5,6
    Hyper sonic: 12,14,15,16

  • @seba2366
    @seba2366 4 роки тому +2

    It might be one of those cases that Works in the Dev Consoles but not in the Real hardware
    since both consoles are different, the Devs one are usually slightly Faster and potent than the Retail one

  • @osullivankaoseb6464
    @osullivankaoseb6464 3 місяці тому

    Try on the title screen:up up down down up up

  • @isyaboi2025
    @isyaboi2025 4 роки тому

    The sonic chaos Maybe it was programed in the mega drive and then ported into the mastersistem like that sonic x treme was made in PC and then partially ported into the saturn

  • @SM64FANZY98
    @SM64FANZY98 11 місяців тому

    you should do the nick arcade version of sonic 2 in the level select theres unused zones

  • @ClassicSTH
    @ClassicSTH 4 роки тому +1

    Why the heck did u called a Game Gear a Mega Drive?

  • @Canal_Do_Adrian
    @Canal_Do_Adrian 7 місяців тому

    Redhotsonic 3 & Greenhillknuckles

  • @relu419
    @relu419 4 роки тому

    Technically, these games work cause it's the ORIGINAL EPROM with all hardware pass, but for someway, can't pass the blackscreen (maybe model/region/lock)?

  • @jodyjohnson265
    @jodyjohnson265 2 роки тому

    Sonic 3 proto songs like angel islands zone 1&2 are glitchy if you play through the levles

  • @NeoGraena
    @NeoGraena 4 роки тому

    Why didn't you try the japanese Master System? (Sega MK3)

  • @AceJackWagon885
    @AceJackWagon885 4 роки тому +1

    You can use a master system controller on a sega genesis/mega drive

  • @Efrin445
    @Efrin445 4 роки тому

    Sonic 3 prototypes and others? No more like
    *sonic 3 prototypes and knuckles*

  • @biohazard9215
    @biohazard9215 4 роки тому

    You're too enthusiastic

  • @FearfulTea
    @FearfulTea 4 роки тому

    Ages *sonic flips name around* saga

  • @ballfondler-k1o
    @ballfondler-k1o 4 роки тому

    Imagine if they used a genesis for developing Chaos

  • @therealaloonalarionova5044
    @therealaloonalarionova5044 4 роки тому

    Can you've make a sonic 3 sonic & knuckles & sonic 3 & knuckles bonus video?
    Toycat is yes yooooooooooooooo

  • @jermallkinley279
    @jermallkinley279 4 роки тому

    What's the beeta or baeta about? ( silly question! but please answer. )

    • @sopix7761
      @sopix7761 Рік тому

      how do you pronounce "beta"

  • @ArkVogel
    @ArkVogel 4 роки тому

    30 years later, TIL that the Megadrive is backward-compatible with MS...

    • @gamingnubs7628
      @gamingnubs7628 4 роки тому

      ???????? It had the Power Base Converter so the Megadrive can play MS games.

  • @BIGwillTHEGAME
    @BIGwillTHEGAME 4 роки тому +2

    He sounds like Messyourself

  • @mikusz3
    @mikusz3 4 роки тому

    10:27 Was Echoes Act 2 Involved in it?
    If so, then
    S
    H
    I
    T
    !

  • @dagreatestofalltimeF4Z
    @dagreatestofalltimeF4Z 15 днів тому

    He said mega drive not game gear

  • @theopoldthegamer4284
    @theopoldthegamer4284 4 роки тому

    Why the *GLOBLIN* wouldn't it work!? It was made by Sega!

  • @revolutionstudios5052
    @revolutionstudios5052 4 роки тому +140

    Wait! What happens if you lock on the Sonic 3 Proto to S&K? Is that even possible?

    • @_danu
      @_danu 4 роки тому +15

      Unfinished s3&k?

    • @revolutionstudios5052
      @revolutionstudios5052 4 роки тому +37

      @@_danu Maybe. More likely just blue spheres.

    • @revolutionstudios5052
      @revolutionstudios5052 4 роки тому +11

      @Katherine sonjon ...what? I mean, I get what you're saying, but we're in a timeline where there is no Sonic 1 prototype.

    • @revolutionstudios5052
      @revolutionstudios5052 4 роки тому +4

      @Katherine sonjon Hm.

    • @comicaze8238
      @comicaze8238 4 роки тому +6

      Revolution Team not really, he’s able to get the game working on the everdrive, so any s&k cart wont affect any game.

  • @themcguinnessexperiment617
    @themcguinnessexperiment617 4 роки тому +133

    I'm a simple man. I see RHS, I click.

  • @noobypants1567
    @noobypants1567 4 роки тому +118

    redhotsonic: “You can undislike the video now”
    97 people: n o

    • @somerandomhandle
      @somerandomhandle 4 роки тому +4

      124*
      edit: i just only said "124*" and theres a war here

    • @noobypants1567
      @noobypants1567 4 роки тому +1

      Эльмира Гарифуллина you know this was made 2 months ago right?

    • @buttergolf
      @buttergolf 4 роки тому

      128*

    • @AlmondTheGuy
      @AlmondTheGuy 4 роки тому +1

      Jakyrin Rutherford *138*

    • @chefblue7218
      @chefblue7218 4 роки тому

      *140

  • @dannyleedawber
    @dannyleedawber 4 роки тому +44

    8:50 Dying on Emerald Hill... SMH :P

  • @donutdome
    @donutdome 4 роки тому +32

    6:54 This music makes it sound like he needs to do this to live and is under so much pressure

  • @odenderg9618
    @odenderg9618 4 роки тому +27

    Title:
    Sonic 3 Prototype
    Reality:
    Guy tries to get Sonic Chaos Prototype to work on Master System

  • @Some_Cat_
    @Some_Cat_ 4 роки тому +74

    I think I actually prefer the beta Hydrocity background to the release version. Would have been nice to see it in act 2 of Mania

    • @whact
      @whact 2 роки тому +4

      really? it looks kinda messed up

    • @564ozz
      @564ozz Рік тому +1

      Even in encore mode It would have been acceptable

  • @itsNikash.
    @itsNikash. 4 роки тому +19

    A bunch of Sonic prototype tests in one, nice.
    I was surprised to see Sonic Chaos working using the Everdrive MD on the Mega Drive instead of on the Game Gear or Master System. Was really helpful to see various methods.
    10:34 bouncing in style!

  • @keiyakins
    @keiyakins 4 роки тому +12

    Does the June Sonic Chaos build work if you put it on a Master System Everdrive and put that in a Power Base Converter? That seems like a useful data point for tracking down the problem.

  • @DerickAlexsander.Official
    @DerickAlexsander.Official 4 роки тому +35

    -SONIC CHAOS-
    OR
    -SONIC AND TAILS-
    *_Different Game Names in a Nutshell_*

  • @WakoDoodle
    @WakoDoodle 4 роки тому +13

    Kinda wish the sonic 3 & knuckles pc version was ported to consoles with their menu intact, just adjusted for the system.
    Those who aren't aware, loading the pc version (which many know has midi versions of the prototype songs in an official release) will bring up a window to select the game you want.
    Sonic 3, sonic & knuckles and sonic 3 & knuckles. Meaning you got pretty much 3 versions of the original game in one pack; but it gets better! It also comes with a wallpaper and a cool animated screensaver (it was cool for the time okay!) so imagine say, releasing this on the 3ds or switch with the choice of 3 games + a new theme for sonic 3!

    • @scoundrel8440
      @scoundrel8440 2 роки тому

      oh hell nah i prefer michael jackson's songs

    • @WakoDoodle
      @WakoDoodle 2 роки тому

      @@scoundrel8440 That version is already on the DS and steam btw.

  • @jackgibsonfirstalt
    @jackgibsonfirstalt 3 роки тому +19

    Prediction: you will call the sonic 3 prototype partially because it crashes when tails grabs anything
    Although it’s not the genesis’s fault it’s actually because some sprites don’t exist for tails so it crashes

    • @redhotsonic
      @redhotsonic  3 роки тому +11

      For a single crash like that, it still would have passed.

    • @WohaoG
      @WohaoG 10 місяців тому

      plus it's not a fault of the real hardware@@redhotsonic

  • @javianwilliams7463
    @javianwilliams7463 4 роки тому +11

    10:36 Eecks, that looks headache-inducing.

  • @GottaBeFrank
    @GottaBeFrank 4 роки тому +9

    B A E T A
    O R
    Incorrect? 😉

  • @HEXlDEClMAL
    @HEXlDEClMAL 4 роки тому +6

    0:31 so there’s the average UA-camr, then there’s possibly you hacking into it.

  • @javianwilliams7463
    @javianwilliams7463 4 роки тому +7

    2:22 3:48 8:26 9:27 10:32 YES.

  • @UltraSonicHero
    @UltraSonicHero 4 роки тому +5

    During that video I also heard a bone crack. Ouch! XD

  • @Yuti640
    @Yuti640 4 роки тому +2

    Beta is pronounced “Beta”

  • @EnergyTheFoxProductions
    @EnergyTheFoxProductions 4 роки тому +6

    Maybe the prototype for Sonic Chaos was MADE for the Megadrive

    • @NeoGraena
      @NeoGraena 2 роки тому

      According to some guy, Aspect used MD Dev Kits at this point instead of MS Dev Kits

  • @wesleyfine5528
    @wesleyfine5528 4 роки тому +6

    Still waiting for the Sonic chaos remake.

  • @theechickengamerz
    @theechickengamerz 3 роки тому +3

    5:50 I didn’t know Japanese was a a frequency!

  • @Gameboy_1992
    @Gameboy_1992 2 роки тому +1

    Hey how do i get Sonic cd v.0.02 on Kega fusion 3.64 running? It did the same thing that happened (aka crashed on the "Copyright" screen or the big 3d sega screen). Please help me!

  • @thunderbro7
    @thunderbro7 4 роки тому +4

    How was the sound on the Sonic 3 prototype on actual hardware? I know there were lots of sound issues in emulation.

    • @redhotsonic
      @redhotsonic  4 роки тому +11

      Yeah, it was buggy on hardware as well. Seemed extremely similar to KEGA.

    • @thunderbro7
      @thunderbro7 4 роки тому +3

      @@redhotsonic I assumed this was likely the case. Thanks for the info!

  • @hunterevans8069
    @hunterevans8069 4 роки тому +6

    7:50 oh commo- (BLEEP)

    • @susanswan6160
      @susanswan6160 3 роки тому +1

      Either he said:"Oh commo- (beeeep)" or :"Oh god- (beeeep)"

  • @gabriellecamacho6286
    @gabriellecamacho6286 3 роки тому +4

    I almost left

  • @spsaofficalchannel
    @spsaofficalchannel Рік тому +1

    Too bad undisliking or disliking the video doesn’t matter anymore…

  • @Jasongamer9000
    @Jasongamer9000 4 роки тому +4

    1:52 I found it quite interesting since I played this on Genesis Plus GX and when I went to the past the first time, it actually functioned correctly and took me to the past, rather than staying in the present.

  • @akmzero630
    @akmzero630 4 роки тому +1

    I like how June 30th Prototype (Sonic Chaos) is on my birthday and it doesn't work due to there not being a port.

  • @RobiWanKenobi_567
    @RobiWanKenobi_567 4 роки тому +5

    the sonic three prototype was made 15 years before I was born

    • @Dbombre
      @Dbombre 4 роки тому +1

      Then your 11

    • @sonc_
      @sonc_ 4 роки тому

      Ronan Stout made made 13.5 years before I was born.

  • @RoseihDBTB
    @RoseihDBTB 3 роки тому +1

    Yeah it works I used to have one with a everdrive and sonic and tails worked what worked it seems is as soon as dirt got into the thing it worked?
    Don’t have it anymore never recorded it and yes it’s the same version

  • @erroljohnalamillo3052
    @erroljohnalamillo3052 3 роки тому +2

    I like when the sign says beeta or baeta its beta

  • @coconutfredenjoyer2863
    @coconutfredenjoyer2863 3 роки тому +1

    10:35 Top 5 villains in Sonic:
    5. Metal Sonic
    4. Shadow
    3. Chaos
    2. Dr. Eggman
    1. *The springs in Carnival Night*

  • @Arandomspongebobguy
    @Arandomspongebobguy 2 роки тому +1

    How come sonic 2 time attack dont work for me? I start and it stops.

  • @theofwhat
    @theofwhat 2 роки тому +1

    I have the genesis emulator in my phone and I have sonic 3 prototype in my emulator

  • @javianwilliams7463
    @javianwilliams7463 4 роки тому +8

    7:29 NO.

  • @TorutheRedFox
    @TorutheRedFox 4 роки тому +2

    I knew that the S3 proto worked on hardware beforehand because I checked myself :P

  • @SonicTheFantastic
    @SonicTheFantastic 4 роки тому +2

    Do you know that all of the Genesis and Master System very first prototype versions up until the later builds, The European versions (50hz) have the same music speed as Sonic 1? Please do a comparison to these when you test them!!! Sorry this was long, I'm excited for you to do it!

    • @KuraIthys
      @KuraIthys 4 роки тому

      It's interesting when they decided to fix the games vs when they didn't.
      Also why they only chose to fix the music, and not the game speed as a whole.
      In a more general sense it's interesting seeing which companies bothered to fix the speed differences and which didn't, because this problem persisted into the Playstation and N64...
      For instance, Blast Corps on n64 runs slower on a PAL machine.
      They DID adjust the target times for the missions to take this into account, but they didn't fix the game speed.
      (Another interesting question you can ask with games is which is the 'correct' speed? Faster isn't always the intended behaviour. And for instance, Blast Corps is developed by Rare, which is a british company, thus you would assume the PAL version is the original, and the NTSC is a conversion... And thus faster than intended.)
      Meanwhile, on the SNES you never had the audio problems that the Mega Drive/Genesis had, but you still had games running slower.
      At first glance that seems weird.
      But I think I know why that is. - the Mega Drive uses the z80 for audio, but also for Master System compatibility.
      For this reason the z80 in a PAL system has to run at PAL compatible clock speeds.
      The Audio CPU in a SNES is JUST for audio processing, and never for any other purpose.
      On top of that it's default clock speed is something like 2.4 mhz, so it doesn't match up with any other CPU in the system anyway.
      Presumably that means the PAL audio CPU simply runs at the exact same speed. (similarly, I think the SuperFX on a pal machine still runs at 10.74/21.477 mhz, even though these are NOT PAL frequencies...)
      Even more interesting than all the games which mess up the speed due to lazy conversion, are the games which do in fact fix things.
      Did you know that Mario Kart on SNES runs at the same speed on both PAL and NTSC machines? I was surprised, since that's unusual. (yes, the PAL system is running 50 fps, and the NTSC 60 fps - but the actual ingame movement speeds are identical - they took the altered framerate into account and adjusted the timings to match.)
      That's pretty surprising given how indifferent developers tended to be to the whole issue...

  • @Mortalitor
    @Mortalitor 2 роки тому +2

    It's pronounced Baeta.

  • @greenjay9nokiproductions249
    @greenjay9nokiproductions249 4 роки тому +6

    Wow nice vid Red.

  • @TheFallenStar64
    @TheFallenStar64 2 роки тому +1

    UA-cam unsubscribed me from you so. I re. Subbec

  • @SuperDupTNT
    @SuperDupTNT Рік тому +1

    What do you mean you didn't show off Sonic 3 prototype and Knuckles?

  • @SkeleGamer101
    @SkeleGamer101 3 роки тому +2

    can the sonic 3 proto be used with the sonic & knuckles cart in any way?

    • @nuggetpotato5471
      @nuggetpotato5471 3 роки тому

      I believe it loads Sonic & Knuckles

    • @SkeleGamer101
      @SkeleGamer101 3 роки тому

      @@nuggetpotato5471 I meant if you hacked it, or used the edmdv3 route

    • @nuggetpotato5471
      @nuggetpotato5471 3 роки тому

      @@SkeleGamer101 it's not like it will load S3&K

    • @SkeleGamer101
      @SkeleGamer101 3 роки тому

      @@nuggetpotato5471 still worth it to try

  • @its_4life
    @its_4life 4 роки тому +5

    imagine if someone clicked off the video before he even said he was kidding about the fake ending...

  • @gerryscottis
    @gerryscottis 3 роки тому +1

    The Chaos Proto is for mega drive because that was already launched

  • @AlexPerrine
    @AlexPerrine 4 роки тому +1

    7:49 whoops 😬

  • @ValkyrieMC
    @ValkyrieMC 3 роки тому +1

    in the sonic 3 prototype you can drop dash. up and b.

  • @JohnDubs
    @JohnDubs 4 роки тому +1

    You look like what would happen if Seth Rogen and Chris Pratt had a child together

  • @sillyboy54music
    @sillyboy54music 4 роки тому +1

    I like playing sonic chaos on my SEGA mega drive/genesis (which is a package of games even games are not on the mega drive ex:master system I don’t think sonic cd is on there though and etc)

  • @Alex-tf6tj
    @Alex-tf6tj Місяць тому

    Sonic 3 Prototype + Sonic & Knuckles Prototype - does it work on Real Hardware or Sonic 3 Limited Edition Prototype - does it work on Real Hardware?

  • @thehunterator520
    @thehunterator520 4 роки тому +3

    Ah yes, my favorite portable console, the mega drive

    • @0n1c420
      @0n1c420 3 роки тому

      Sega nomad will embarrass you

  • @sethgob5591
    @sethgob5591 3 роки тому +1

    But
    What if you attach sonic & knuckles to the 2 and 3 protos?

  • @PH_B_S
    @PH_B_S 3 роки тому +1

    Hi! Redhot Sonic!
    I Liked The Vid I Like Your Content Alot! My Fav Video is this one

  • @MonochromeWench
    @MonochromeWench 4 роки тому +1

    Should have tried the june master system sonic chaos on the game gear, the game gear basically being a handheld master system

  • @RoseihDBTB
    @RoseihDBTB 4 роки тому

    It worked sonic chaos proto I had to put game on cart and run it USING MASTER SYSTEM

  • @SluggishRain
    @SluggishRain 3 роки тому +2

    I wonder how the community gets these betas?

  • @sonicmoviefan2o2o51
    @sonicmoviefan2o2o51 4 роки тому +2

    OH BOY I HAD LOTS OF FUN PLAYING THIS PROTOTYPE!