Hey man, good video! I am a county patrolman surrounding a large city. I have a very similar kit in my charger stored in the “first line” of my trunk. Mine contains rifle, PC, helmet, and gas mask. Anyone who tells you this isn’t necessary is a fool in my opinion. Any cop who knows what their doing and goes to an active shooting is going to sling and rack their patrol rifle. If you have your stuff set up correctly and train with it, the amount of extra time it will take to don the PC, helmet, get that gas mask on ur belt is negligible vs just slinging and racking a rifle. Why would you not want every force multiplier you can have if your running into the gunfight of your life? Ignore the fudds. It’s all about mindset and training! Keep up the good content!
Don't really know all the civilian plates in the states, but I ran in service the agilite lvl 4(operator I believe they're called). They are light, and damn durable, they also have a 3+, depends on your need. See their videos for reassurance, great quality plates
Thank You for the video. Not sure how much sense this makes for a patrol officer. So you are doffing your external carrier and donning your PC, and transferring over critical items that you do not have spare to leave on your PC (BWC, taser, radio). If you have time for that, then great. But you have to have time, and a staging location that you can do this at, etc. An alternative is to invest in plates that you can wear full time in your EVC. Not everyone can do that, and those types of plates are more expensive, but for a patrol LEO, that is what I have been doing for years now (I'm using Safariland Oregon City carrier with Safariland Hardwire L3A and Tyr HA3/7 IC plates). It's doable. From a cost perspective, you're gonna buy plates anyway. The money you save on not buying the rest of the redundant items (PC and stuff attached to it) would enable you to spend more $ to get premium plates. Bonus is that you would have plates full time. And I'm not wasting time when I have to go to that hot call, bc I just grab my rifle and helmet (Ops Core AMPs attached) and go. No time wasted. It's a way. Regarding plates, contact Mike at AT Armor, or Esstac. They are 2 good sources for quality plates. You do need to ensure that the plates will fit the plate pockets of the carrier, and also that the package of plates and SBA will provide the desired protection. Mixing and matching like I did is not what I would recommend, but I think I'll be more than OK, as the SBA I'm using is superior to what Tyr was speccing at the time for these plates.
Main thing I learned is the state of Illinois actively endangers the hearing of someone responding to a shooting, or endangers potential victims by making them take a moment to insert hearing protection. All because the state wants a monopoly on violence and they decided a tube that makes your gun a little quiet is far too dangerous for the peons to own.
Illinois is definitely a tyrant state. The state is hell bent on holding the monopoly of power over the citizens. Fat boy Pritzker is a grade A tyrant who sees himself better than those he is supposed to serve.
Highly recommend looking into a set of XShears. Inexpensive and they work great. That's what I carry on my kit(EMT on SRT). Also a paint can opener on some cordage works great for removing stuck cases from an AR.
Im hoping this video answers how quickly can you put that gear on before an active shooting scenario? I just recently had one a week ago and my plate did not go on. Just grabbed the rifle and went on a search. Helmet and carrier stayed in the trunk
That’s why I made sure to mention that switching carriers is not always an option. Situation will most certainly dictate, but if the time can be afforded, upgrading armor/equipment is definitely a net benefit
I like that everything is done with purpose here, and that you're constantly improving and figuring it out. Good balance here. On the other hand you have officers that reject any kind of aftermarket investment into their gear and on the other extreme, some get all kitted but they come out with zero mobility and look ridiculous. How do you like the Axl shoulder pads? Gets in the way of shouldering the stock?
Great video brother. Do your best to ignore the haters and naysayaers on this thread man. Im not sure what the issue is with your plates but if youre looking at getting new ones get out the hesco L210 special threat plates extremely light weight and will stop green tip
I would think you’d run something more minimal unless you’re swat. Do other patrol officers have similar amounts of kit for active shooters or do you use more then the average patrol officer
Dayton armor. Lightest special threat plates on the market and plenty of videos out there showing the plates doing their job. I love mine. Super thin and light weight. I can run a hydration plate in the carrier with it, because it's so thin.
No NIJ certifications and they don't show anything about their manufacturing locations. They also have old test results published, some of their testing is from 2020 and hasn't been updated. REALLY hesitant to suggest them. Their plates are so thin the backface deformation is pretty severe and pushing NIJ limits.
@@totenfurwotan4478I bought if set of Tacticon Level 3+ steel for like $175. Watch a few videos and it will stop M855 and M80 all the same. However, M193 and M855A1 at over 3200 fps got through.
My patrol vest is purely soft armor and has a completely different role. I also don’t want to lug around the discomfort and extra weight of plates every shift. Officers in more violent areas may have a benefit from wearing plates in their patrol vests, but for me it is a no go.
@@HiramProjectProductions hence having two dedicated carrier. One for your normal day-to-day patrol, and one for when doodoo strikes the air acceleration system.
This seems like a lot of stuff to be lugging around if you're not swat or some other type of direct action guy. Also in the case of an active shooter your priority should be engaging the threat as quickly as possible, no? If you really wanted to have armor, a slick carrier with ICW plates in it over your patrol vest and/or a helmet would probably be more realistic. Just stick a spare rifle mag in a pocket and you're GTG.
If you or really anyone in the comment section are looking for plates I would recommend you stick to the big three manufacturers in the US: LTC, Highcom, and Tencate (now called Integris). All three have very good track record producing body armor since the 90s for multiple DoD and government and law enforcement contracts. For something comparable to the Shotstop GT2, I would look at the Tencate CR2000. Their CR6450 is more capable if you have the extra bills to throw especially for API-BZ M855A1. Personally I would want something that can still stop 308 though, and these thin plates won't cut it. Stay away from greasy snake oil marketing. Dayton Armor, Redemption Tactical, RTS, Bulldog, so on and so forth. Stick with the aforementioned "big three".
Thoughts 1. Lol. Shears, absolutely. I got some on my duty belt. Use them all the time. All the time. 2. Way to bulky and to many pouches. Half the shit he said he's not using. Why make the video with it on there then. 3. Hate running any pouches above ur holster because it fucks with ur draw stroke. And it changes it. Between running vest to no vest. 4. Not a big fan of ifak on ur back. If ur injured bad ur on ur back and it's hard to get to. Or u may be fucked up and can't articulate ur arms to reach it. Put it on ur front or side where u can reach it with eather hand. I i tend to like ur videos. But I think this one is a bit of a fail. I know swat operators and teir 1 guys who run more stream line then that. U can see he only has 1 year on the job and not much experience with active killer Training (hate saying shooter, because they don't always have a gun). In the end a patrol responce vest needs to be very streamlined with what u need to go direct to threat. Obviously mission dictates gear and if ur in an area where ur back up is 30-40 mins away that's different. But for a vast majority in active shooter situation ur going to have a shit ton of officers form every dept in a 20mile radius withing 10 mins or so. Ur gear should be streamline to allow u to go direct to threat as fast and easly as possible
I disagree with having comms and a cummerbund type vest. I have my vest on the front passenger seat and it's just front and back plates with buckle straps. Remember this vest is IN ADDITION to what I'm already carrying. I already have a flashlight and radio on my belt. I'm not going to double up. Also I'm not looking to carry multiple flex cuffs. This is an active shooter vest, NOT a protest/riot vest. I have 4 rifle mags, 1 extended pistol mag, tourniquet and trama kit and knife. NOTHING else. Speed and weight are my main concerns.
Claims are unconfirmed at this time, waiting for definitive results before making any statements. I will only say their efficacy has been called into question.
The verdict came in some days ago. They were being charged with fraud, their plates were not performing to NIJ standards and they were doctoring their test results to look good. The construction of the plates were very reminiscent of the cheap chinese imports you see everywhere. Shotstop will be dissolved and liquidated.
Seems like a nice setup, but I would opt for a lightweight setup. I’d say minimum 3 rifle mags, tourniquet and a ifak. Keep it simple and you can always add more. Realistically you want to go in and stop the threat. Odds are you won’t need all your mags and if you shoot all of them you’ll need to do some explaining. Ifak is for you if you get shot stopping the threat. Once the threat or threats are down, FD can come in and start treating people. Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain. Play with it and add or remove stuff as you see fit.
I doubt that pounds will equal pain for operations that will last such a short duration. I wear upwards of 70lbs of turnout gear and SCBA while on the fireground doing more physically exerting tasks (that’s not a diss btw, y’all are in much more danger obviously) for up to 2hrs maybe even longer. Even with that stressor the “pounds equal pain” mantra does not particularly apply here. That comes from ruck marching and backpacking (which I am also a hobbyist of) and even then I tend to run what some people consider to be “heavier” packs. I’m not the fittest dude out there either, pretty average.
@@HiramProjectProductionsyes very aware. I’m only suggesting the average patrol cop keep it very minimal. You can very easily start to add a bunch of stuff you won’t need. I’d rather go with the bare minimum and be light. Also never said that stuff wasn’t on there. Take it for what it is, just the opinion of some dude on the internet. 🤙
Thanks, intresting video! I have liked your content much 🤌 You might have covered it in the video already but why you carry also male tubes since you have cobras in cummerbund? Sorry my newborn was a little unhappy so I didn't have 100% concentration all the time😅
If I were to make a plate carrier and keep in my truck just Incase of a shooting I am a civilian if I were to respond before the police can what kind of markings should I have on my carrier so I don’t get shot or be considered the active shooter like if I put a police patch on it is that illegal even tho I just had it to not look like the bad guy
If you’re not in a full police uniform and are not recognized by the police you will get shot. Wearing anything that ids you as a cop, even for good intentions, will get you arrested.
I’ve thought a lot about this a lot as a civilian… especially after my wife, who is a teacher has had multiple threats/scares in her school recently. Simple conclusion after talking to a lot of local LEO is look as least “tactical” as possible and have a way to establish coms ASAP. For me this mean no plate carrier, a high vis vest, earbuds and phone contact to identify myself. “Kit” is a vertx bag with a plate worn on my chest, a foldy boi that gets carried in the bag as well as radio/PTT with local stations programmed. Bag also has a plethora of extra med and a couple mags in Velcro pouches front and center of the main compartment.
I would have really appreciated more exploration on the topic as a whole rather than a kit shakedown. Everyone’s carriers or more or less the same. What would have been cool is a discussion of statistics and the things you’re most likely going to have to deal with during a situation like that. How civilians should interact and behave around law enforcement, discussions the pros and cons of civilians being on the X with armor on, and general safety considerations. Maybe even showing comparisons of how it turned out when people actually showed up and scene, and what worked and what didn’t.
This is purely a video about gear selection and setup, from the perspective of a patrol officer. The nuances of civilians responding to active shooter situations and the proceeding interaction with law enforcement is a completely different topic.
There are. Velocity Systems, stealth armor systems, safariland and associated, ...etc. Context matters though especially considering the addition of a rigid hard plate along with a full wrap IIIA around the body, and hopefully the plate is thin too.
Guard dog level guard dog level IV (4) spall guard light weight or hesco L210 work and their slimmer than my guarddog armor (the hesco’s are) there’s a plethora of plates in the world hope this helps!
You’re a cop, so you already have some body armor on or is this for your POV when you happen by a shooting in progress?? For on duty you have to doff your soft armor to don this? While Doing that how many kids are being shot? If donning over top.. ok while your feeling safe and snuggly kids are in terror and maybe being murdered? Risk vs reward priorities. Also basic upgrade to in ear comms or link up to earpro . Not a viable set up for real life in a time is life situation.
And when you take a 5.56 rd to the chest in level II soft armor, you're done. Out of the fight. Bad guy still killing. When your rifle plate stops the rifle round, you're still able to eliminate the threat. Clown
Hey so the firefighters should just run into burning buildings without putting on their gear first because “lives are on the line” right? Right?!?! Or a lifeguard should definitely just run into the water without grabbing a life preserver to save someone who is drowning! Please think before you open your mouth about something you know nothing about. Thanks.
What kind of plate carrier is good for keeping parents at bay outside of the school during an active shooting? One that doesnt prevent an officer from pumping hand sanitizer preferably. And room for a Punisher patch? Those parents can get pretty rowdy when their kids are being shot so protection for the officers not stopping the shooter is essential. Thin Blue Line.
Such a cool video but we law abiding citizens don't carry guns or equipment in gun free zones where most mass killing occurs, so we're technically still unarmed and defenseless while law breakers and psycos still having guns and harming people
Seems like way too much for active shooter mission. This would be a good live discussion about equipment for this specific mission. This is Matt . Xray alpha
Recently watched a video where Kyle Morgan said the people in the active shooter situation don’t have armor. Every second counts. If I’m working LE patrol and wearing my soft armor carrier that’s what I’m going in with. If I’m working task force and wearing my plate carrier that’s what I’m going in with. If I’m off duty I’m going in with no armor. If I die I die, but I’m not taking precious seconds to protect myself when people are dying. I’m not saying I’m right and everyone else is wrong. This is A way not THE way.
No need for that for a civilian police patrol plate carrier. SWAT maybe. But as a retired cop/detective, speed and mobility and weight are neccessities. Just my opinion. But you can streamline that big time to make it more efficient.
When rifle rounds are whizzing by you you’re gonna wish you had rifle plates. Especially with the price and availability out there these days. There’s really no reason not to. 10 years ago there weren’t so many options. But today, get them.
Bro, slow down. This is active shooter. The biggest one saw an officer shoot mayhe 4 rounds not 4 mags. Youre "streamlined" setup is just costing more lives while you don it and get comfy. Active shooter is grab a rifle and run. Your setup is more for a patrol to known contact.
There have been enough of shootouts where significantly more than 4 rounds from a single patrol rifle was fired to justify carrying multiple magazines without making the kit overweight and displacing other necessary equipment. Having fewer rounds or magazines is poor general preparation for anything especially if your job/mission is to protect civilians and put a stop any harm whether it's a single individual or multiple. Domestic, terrorism, invasion, you name it.
@Riname-K youve seen a cop shoot thru an entire magazine and need a second in america relating to active shooters? Besides 1993 la bank before patrol rifles were a thing.
A little excessive. Too much crap for a 10 second gun fight. All you need is one emergency mag and ifak. You ain’t gonna be wearing all that for hours in 100 degree summer heat.
I have a spare rifle mag and IFAK on my patrol vest, just haven’t made that video yet. Situation will most certainly dictate whether or not you’re gonna switch carriers. I have my gear set up to accommodate the use of a patrol rifle either way. But if I can afford the time to switch to a carrier with rifle rated plates, it makes sense to have it set up for that specific scenario. Mission dictates gear
Civilians really don’t need this stuff. You can own it. But as far as practical real world use, you’re living in a fantasy of you think an average citizen will need armor, rifle, active shooter kit, etc.
@@tardogungas7236 Are you in a nation that is actively at war? Why would you think such a ridiculous argument would be an appropriate counter to my comment?
Was this a review of the chest rig are your personal opinion you barely showed the chest rig and from what I can see that extra stuff you got attached to the side of the chest rate is going to get you in trouble stuff gets hung up on their real easy especially when you got to bring your arm in close to your body that ain't going to happen that way if you want to know how to give a review on a product watch Consumers Reports play they present the product detailed information and no personal opinion involved let me give you an example you got somebody reviewing a gun they tell you how it feels in their hand now what good does that do four the other millions of people with millions of different hands going to do make a long story short a personal opinion 100 % useless to the end users that are watching you and try showing just a little bit more of the product itself
Hey man, good video! I am a county patrolman surrounding a large city.
I have a very similar kit in my charger stored in the “first line” of my trunk. Mine contains rifle, PC, helmet, and gas mask.
Anyone who tells you this isn’t necessary is a fool in my opinion. Any cop who knows what their doing and goes to an active shooting is going to sling and rack their patrol rifle.
If you have your stuff set up correctly and train with it, the amount of extra time it will take to don the PC, helmet, get that gas mask on ur belt is negligible vs just slinging and racking a rifle.
Why would you not want every force multiplier you can have if your running into the gunfight of your life?
Ignore the fudds. It’s all about mindset and training! Keep up the good content!
I just bought Hesco 3810’s. I too have replaced my shot stop plates.
Great info. Building out my first setup now
Don't really know all the civilian plates in the states, but I ran in service the agilite lvl 4(operator I believe they're called). They are light, and damn durable, they also have a 3+, depends on your need.
See their videos for reassurance, great quality plates
I’ve looked at those but they are over 2k for civilians in US
@@Nach0s187They never see the price tag when they're running them lol. Same goes for just about everything else they use.
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Great job very informative and thanks for sharing!
Thank You for the video.
Not sure how much sense this makes for a patrol officer.
So you are doffing your external carrier and donning your PC, and transferring over critical items that you do not have spare to leave on your PC (BWC, taser, radio). If you have time for that, then great. But you have to have time, and a staging location that you can do this at, etc.
An alternative is to invest in plates that you can wear full time in your EVC. Not everyone can do that, and those types of plates are more expensive, but for a patrol LEO, that is what I have been doing for years now (I'm using Safariland Oregon City carrier with Safariland Hardwire L3A and Tyr HA3/7 IC plates). It's doable.
From a cost perspective, you're gonna buy plates anyway. The money you save on not buying the rest of the redundant items (PC and stuff attached to it) would enable you to spend more $ to get premium plates. Bonus is that you would have plates full time.
And I'm not wasting time when I have to go to that hot call, bc I just grab my rifle and helmet (Ops Core AMPs attached) and go. No time wasted.
It's a way.
Regarding plates, contact Mike at AT Armor, or Esstac. They are 2 good sources for quality plates.
You do need to ensure that the plates will fit the plate pockets of the carrier, and also that the package of plates and SBA will provide the desired protection. Mixing and matching like I did is not what I would recommend, but I think I'll be more than OK, as the SBA I'm using is superior to what Tyr was speccing at the time for these plates.
Main thing I learned is the state of Illinois actively endangers the hearing of someone responding to a shooting, or endangers potential victims by making them take a moment to insert hearing protection. All because the state wants a monopoly on violence and they decided a tube that makes your gun a little quiet is far too dangerous for the peons to own.
Illinois is definitely a tyrant state. The state is hell bent on holding the monopoly of power over the citizens. Fat boy Pritzker is a grade A tyrant who sees himself better than those he is supposed to serve.
You might find running your draw side (right) slick is more advantageous and a lot more comfortable
Good work, brother! Stay safe.
Highly recommend looking into a set of XShears. Inexpensive and they work great. That's what I carry on my kit(EMT on SRT). Also a paint can opener on some cordage works great for removing stuck cases from an AR.
Im hoping this video answers how quickly can you put that gear on before an active shooting scenario? I just recently had one a week ago and my plate did not go on. Just grabbed the rifle and went on a search. Helmet and carrier stayed in the trunk
That’s why I made sure to mention that switching carriers is not always an option. Situation will most certainly dictate, but if the time can be afforded, upgrading armor/equipment is definitely a net benefit
You think you could do a walkthrough of your patrol vest? Really interested on how you set it up. 🤘🏼
Same here
My boy who is a Westmont IL cop has a RC2 on his MK18 at work
I like that everything is done with purpose here, and that you're constantly improving and figuring it out. Good balance here.
On the other hand you have officers that reject any kind of aftermarket investment into their gear and on the other extreme, some get all kitted but they come out with zero mobility and look ridiculous.
How do you like the Axl shoulder pads? Gets in the way of shouldering the stock?
Great video brother. Do your best to ignore the haters and naysayaers on this thread man. Im not sure what the issue is with your plates but if youre looking at getting new ones get out the hesco L210 special threat plates extremely light weight and will stop green tip
I have those as well, the single curve isn’t as comfortable and they are still rather heavy in comparison
Premier body armor plates are awesome
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douple zipper on back panel crazy style, nice man, name from the plate carrier,
I would think you’d run something more minimal unless you’re swat. Do other patrol officers have similar amounts of kit for active shooters or do you use more then the average patrol officer
Dayton armor. Lightest special threat plates on the market and plenty of videos out there showing the plates doing their job. I love mine. Super thin and light weight. I can run a hydration plate in the carrier with it, because it's so thin.
Do they stop m855? I know a lot of the special threat plates don’t and that’s the of the most common 5.56 rounds owned.
@@totenfurwotan4478 I wear lv3+ vism plates. They aren't rated for m855, but I've seen anecdotal evidence that they do stop them.
I heard there was a recall on them recently though
No NIJ certifications and they don't show anything about their manufacturing locations. They also have old test results published, some of their testing is from 2020 and hasn't been updated. REALLY hesitant to suggest them. Their plates are so thin the backface deformation is pretty severe and pushing NIJ limits.
@@totenfurwotan4478I bought if set of Tacticon Level 3+ steel for like $175. Watch a few videos and it will stop M855 and M80 all the same. However, M193 and M855A1 at over 3200 fps got through.
Why not wear plate all the time? I've worn L3+ plate Monday through friday since July. Is it a department policy thing?
Nah, you've missed a point brother, he has a regular carrier for patrol, and this is the carrier he would use specifically for an active shooter case.
My patrol vest is purely soft armor and has a completely different role. I also don’t want to lug around the discomfort and extra weight of plates every shift. Officers in more violent areas may have a benefit from wearing plates in their patrol vests, but for me it is a no go.
@@HiramProjectProductions hence having two dedicated carrier.
One for your normal day-to-day patrol, and one for when doodoo strikes the air acceleration system.
@@BoopboobI will be making another video covering my duty belt and patrol vest as well, so stay tuned
@@HiramProjectProductions noice, good shit brother
Good video. Thanks.
This seems like a lot of stuff to be lugging around if you're not swat or some other type of direct action guy. Also in the case of an active shooter your priority should be engaging the threat as quickly as possible, no? If you really wanted to have armor, a slick carrier with ICW plates in it over your patrol vest and/or a helmet would probably be more realistic. Just stick a spare rifle mag in a pocket and you're GTG.
Illinois copper here! 🤙🏼 stay safe brotha!
If someone wanted to replicate this setup could you list the individual pieces of the carrier? So I could purchase the components from FERRO?
16:16 we met at a police event in Illinois i believe. Whats up bro
If you or really anyone in the comment section are looking for plates I would recommend you stick to the big three manufacturers in the US: LTC, Highcom, and Tencate (now called Integris).
All three have very good track record producing body armor since the 90s for multiple DoD and government and law enforcement contracts.
For something comparable to the Shotstop GT2, I would look at the Tencate CR2000. Their CR6450 is more capable if you have the extra bills to throw especially for API-BZ M855A1. Personally I would want something that can still stop 308 though, and these thin plates won't cut it.
Stay away from greasy snake oil marketing. Dayton Armor, Redemption Tactical, RTS, Bulldog, so on and so forth. Stick with the aforementioned "big three".
Thoughts
1. Lol. Shears, absolutely. I got some on my duty belt. Use them all the time. All the time.
2. Way to bulky and to many pouches. Half the shit he said he's not using. Why make the video with it on there then.
3. Hate running any pouches above ur holster because it fucks with ur draw stroke. And it changes it. Between running vest to no vest.
4. Not a big fan of ifak on ur back. If ur injured bad ur on ur back and it's hard to get to. Or u may be fucked up and can't articulate ur arms to reach it. Put it on ur front or side where u can reach it with eather hand.
I i tend to like ur videos. But I think this one is a bit of a fail. I know swat operators and teir 1 guys who run more stream line then that. U can see he only has 1 year on the job and not much experience with active killer Training (hate saying shooter, because they don't always have a gun).
In the end a patrol responce vest needs to be very streamlined with what u need to go direct to threat. Obviously mission dictates gear and if ur in an area where ur back up is 30-40 mins away that's different. But for a vast majority in active shooter situation ur going to have a shit ton of officers form every dept in a 20mile radius withing 10 mins or so. Ur gear should be streamline to allow u to go direct to threat as fast and easly as possible
fr looks unnecessarily bulky.....15lbs of shit in a 10lb bag. 😂
What size are your side armors man?
What brand flex cuffs? Those are a lot more compact than the ones I have
What brand/model radio are you running?
I disagree with having comms and a cummerbund type vest. I have my vest on the front passenger seat and it's just front and back plates with buckle straps. Remember this vest is IN ADDITION to what I'm already carrying. I already have a flashlight and radio on my belt. I'm not going to double up. Also I'm not looking to carry multiple flex cuffs. This is an active shooter vest, NOT a protest/riot vest. I have 4 rifle mags, 1 extended pistol mag, tourniquet and trama kit and knife. NOTHING else. Speed and weight are my main concerns.
Yall should play ready or not
Look at my baby boy
What size plate carrier and size plates are you using?
Both medium. I’m 6’1” 190lbs for reference
@@HiramProjectProductions thank you for the response
What’s the deal with shot stop? Ive had the level 4s since 21 and can’t find information on what your talking about
Claims are unconfirmed at this time, waiting for definitive results before making any statements. I will only say their efficacy has been called into question.
The verdict came in some days ago. They were being charged with fraud, their plates were not performing to NIJ standards and they were doctoring their test results to look good. The construction of the plates were very reminiscent of the cheap chinese imports you see everywhere.
Shotstop will be dissolved and liquidated.
Seems like a nice setup, but I would opt for a lightweight setup. I’d say minimum 3 rifle mags, tourniquet and a ifak. Keep it simple and you can always add more. Realistically you want to go in and stop the threat. Odds are you won’t need all your mags and if you shoot all of them you’ll need to do some explaining. Ifak is for you if you get shot stopping the threat. Once the threat or threats are down, FD can come in and start treating people.
Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain. Play with it and add or remove stuff as you see fit.
Everything you just described is on this carrier.
I doubt that pounds will equal pain for operations that will last such a short duration.
I wear upwards of 70lbs of turnout gear and SCBA while on the fireground doing more physically exerting tasks (that’s not a diss btw, y’all are in much more danger obviously) for up to 2hrs maybe even longer. Even with that stressor the “pounds equal pain” mantra does not particularly apply here. That comes from ruck marching and backpacking (which I am also a hobbyist of) and even then I tend to run what some people consider to be “heavier” packs. I’m not the fittest dude out there either, pretty average.
@@HiramProjectProductionsyes very aware. I’m only suggesting the average patrol cop keep it very minimal.
You can very easily start to add a bunch of stuff you won’t need. I’d rather go with the bare minimum and be light.
Also never said that stuff wasn’t on there.
Take it for what it is, just the opinion of some dude on the internet. 🤙
What brand is the soft armor on the sides. I want to pick it up
It’s Ferro Concepts soft armor, sorry no one replied to you for 3 months 😭🫣🤦🏻♂️
Thanks, intresting video! I have liked your content much 🤌 You might have covered it in the video already but why you carry also male tubes since you have cobras in cummerbund? Sorry my newborn was a little unhappy so I didn't have 100% concentration all the time😅
If I were to make a plate carrier and keep in my truck just Incase of a shooting I am a civilian if I were to respond before the police can what kind of markings should I have on my carrier so I don’t get shot or be considered the active shooter like if I put a police patch on it is that illegal even tho I just had it to not look like the bad guy
If you’re not in a full police uniform and are not recognized by the police you will get shot. Wearing anything that ids you as a cop, even for good intentions, will get you arrested.
I’ve thought a lot about this a lot as a civilian… especially after my wife, who is a teacher has had multiple threats/scares in her school recently.
Simple conclusion after talking to a lot of local LEO is look as least “tactical” as possible and have a way to establish coms ASAP. For me this mean no plate carrier, a high vis vest, earbuds and phone contact to identify myself. “Kit” is a vertx bag with a plate worn on my chest, a foldy boi that gets carried in the bag as well as radio/PTT with local stations programmed. Bag also has a plethora of extra med and a couple mags in Velcro pouches front and center of the main compartment.
You might get into trouble. I believe James Yeager did a video where it says that will be better then getting shot.
Safe Life FRAS plates.
Officers fras or plate carrier for patrol?
I would have really appreciated more exploration on the topic as a whole rather than a kit shakedown. Everyone’s carriers or more or less the same. What would have been cool is a discussion of statistics and the things you’re most likely going to have to deal with during a situation like that.
How civilians should interact and behave around law enforcement, discussions the pros and cons of civilians being on the X with armor on, and general safety considerations. Maybe even showing comparisons of how it turned out when people actually showed up and scene, and what worked and what didn’t.
This is purely a video about gear selection and setup, from the perspective of a patrol officer. The nuances of civilians responding to active shooter situations and the proceeding interaction with law enforcement is a completely different topic.
Are there no soft vest options out there that allow you to place hard plates in them?
I prefer not to lug around plates all day on patrol, but yes our soft armor carriers are cable of holding plates as well.
LOF Defence in Canada does that.
There are. Velocity Systems, stealth armor systems, safariland and associated, ...etc.
Context matters though especially considering the addition of a rigid hard plate along with a full wrap IIIA around the body, and hopefully the plate is thin too.
Damn the bois from Illinois lookin super skinny these days
Guard dog level guard dog level IV (4) spall guard light weight or hesco L210 work and their slimmer than my guarddog armor (the hesco’s are) there’s a plethora of plates in the world hope this helps!
Guard dog is made in China. That's a no-go especially when Shotstop got called out for plates that had characteristics of cheap chinese manufacture
Where do you put your body camera?
We haven’t been issued them yet, and to be honest moving my BC from my patrol vest to my plate carrier is low on the priority list
Are you Jared’s brother?
So you use camo over your police uniform ?
Yes, our regional swat team is multicam
@@HiramProjectProductions nice vid stay safe
How did you fasten/mount that PTT?
Ferro does a mount, it's probably it
I used the clip on the back of the PTT
Whats the point you guys hide till the problem is over or just wait it out it been proven time and time again
You’re a cop, so you already have some body armor on or is this for your POV when you happen by a shooting in progress??
For on duty you have to doff your soft armor to don this?
While Doing that how many kids are being shot? If donning over top.. ok while your feeling safe and snuggly kids are in terror and maybe being murdered? Risk vs reward priorities.
Also basic upgrade to in ear comms or link up to earpro .
Not a viable set up for real life in a time is life situation.
And when you take a 5.56 rd to the chest in level II soft armor, you're done. Out of the fight. Bad guy still killing. When your rifle plate stops the rifle round, you're still able to eliminate the threat. Clown
Hey so the firefighters should just run into burning buildings without putting on their gear first because “lives are on the line” right? Right?!?!
Or a lifeguard should definitely just run into the water without grabbing a life preserver to save someone who is drowning!
Please think before you open your mouth about something you know nothing about. Thanks.
What kind of plate carrier is good for keeping parents at bay outside of the school during an active shooting? One that doesnt prevent an officer from pumping hand sanitizer preferably. And room for a Punisher patch? Those parents can get pretty rowdy when their kids are being shot so protection for the officers not stopping the shooter is essential. Thin Blue Line.
Lol…dark
P/o game devolves over time
Such a cool video but we law abiding citizens don't carry guns or equipment in gun free zones where most mass killing occurs, so we're technically still unarmed and defenseless while law breakers and psycos still having guns and harming people
Carry everywhere
Speak for yourself
Seems like way too much for active shooter mission. This would be a good live discussion about equipment for this specific mission. This is Matt . Xray alpha
Can’t go wrong with Hesco plates brother
Recently watched a video where Kyle Morgan said the people in the active shooter situation don’t have armor. Every second counts. If I’m working LE patrol and wearing my soft armor carrier that’s what I’m going in with. If I’m working task force and wearing my plate carrier that’s what I’m going in with. If I’m off duty I’m going in with no armor. If I die I die, but I’m not taking precious seconds to protect myself when people are dying. I’m not saying I’m right and everyone else is wrong. This is A way not THE way.
3:57 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
No need for that for a civilian police patrol plate carrier. SWAT maybe. But as a retired cop/detective, speed and mobility and weight are neccessities. Just my opinion. But you can streamline that big time to make it more efficient.
lol if a plate carrier slows you down you need to get your priorities straight
When rifle rounds are whizzing by you you’re gonna wish you had rifle plates. Especially with the price and availability out there these days. There’s really no reason not to. 10 years ago there weren’t so many options. But today, get them.
Im not saying shit about the plates, but ditch the flipping pack.
@@theparaminutemanbelieve I said efficiency! Climbing through windows and in and out around obstacles and streamlining for patrol officers.
@@kinch613 “speed mobility and weight”
Dog…
Bro, slow down. This is active shooter. The biggest one saw an officer shoot mayhe 4 rounds not 4 mags. Youre "streamlined" setup is just costing more lives while you don it and get comfy. Active shooter is grab a rifle and run. Your setup is more for a patrol to known contact.
Christian Craighead had time to put on more gear than this
There have been enough of shootouts where significantly more than 4 rounds from a single patrol rifle was fired to justify carrying multiple magazines without making the kit overweight and displacing other necessary equipment.
Having fewer rounds or magazines is poor general preparation for anything especially if your job/mission is to protect civilians and put a stop any harm whether it's a single individual or multiple. Domestic, terrorism, invasion, you name it.
@Riname-K youve seen a cop shoot thru an entire magazine and need a second in america relating to active shooters? Besides 1993 la bank before patrol rifles were a thing.
Hmmm... seems bulky.
This is just a police training video?
You give me the impression of a doosh that would write another cop, just fyi
You got me. Became a cop just so I could write other cops tickets.
Can confirm he does this I was the ticket book
IL has banned suppressors, and you enforce that? So much for you honoring your oath to defend the Constitution I guess.
I literally do not care what anyone owns, you should be able to buy suppressors over the counter
Shotstop is bad. Look it up and get rid of thise plates
“My role as a cop”, aight treader I’m out.
This is a lot of nonsense. Way too many accessories 🤓
Let's see you post a video of your kit for active shooter response
@@Dero_milsurp no
@@Harthbakery didnt think so.
A little excessive. Too much crap for a 10 second gun fight. All you need is one emergency mag and ifak. You ain’t gonna be wearing all that for hours in 100 degree summer heat.
I have a spare rifle mag and IFAK on my patrol vest, just haven’t made that video yet. Situation will most certainly dictate whether or not you’re gonna switch carriers. I have my gear set up to accommodate the use of a patrol rifle either way. But if I can afford the time to switch to a carrier with rifle rated plates, it makes sense to have it set up for that specific scenario. Mission dictates gear
I can guarantee your wrong . Gunfights can be long especially if you have multiple shooters
Christian Craighead was busy for a lot longer than 10 seconds
This is for law enforcement not you civilian larpers
I always find it funny when anonymous profiles call civilians who train "larpers". 10/10 chance you are an untrained, under equipped basement dweller.
Civilians really don’t need this stuff. You can own it. But as far as practical real world use, you’re living in a fantasy of you think an average citizen will need armor, rifle, active shooter kit, etc.
the civilians in isreal and ukrain probably wish they had it.
Say that to people all across the fucking globe right now.
Also, you still fail to understand the point of your own damn constitution.
@@tardogungas7236 Are you in a nation that is actively at war? Why would you think such a ridiculous argument would be an appropriate counter to my comment?
Lol they weren’t at war until they were, brother.
@@darklyripley6138 you either a fucking tool or a glowy, can't tell which tho, probably both
Was this a review of the chest rig are your personal opinion you barely showed the chest rig and from what I can see that extra stuff you got attached to the side of the chest rate is going to get you in trouble stuff gets hung up on their real easy especially when you got to bring your arm in close to your body that ain't going to happen that way if you want to know how to give a review on a product watch Consumers Reports play they present the product detailed information and no personal opinion involved let me give you an example you got somebody reviewing a gun they tell you how it feels in their hand now what good does that do four the other millions of people with millions of different hands going to do make a long story short a personal opinion 100 % useless to the end users that are watching you and try showing just a little bit more of the product itself
There’s not one single piece of punctuation in that entire comment lmfao
@@oriontraininggroupllc2782 this man never took a breath while typing. Hypoxia explains his opinion.