Are people arguing that there are scenarios where they think it is ok to stand in front of a closed door? I don't even stand in front of doors when I knock on them for non-violent calls, let alone a scenario where firearms are drawn.
Yes....Arizona Tea..?? BTW a 10 yr old kid just slips through you guys & planted the EMP in the room next door...!! Oh, OK what's with the rubber dolly.?? Not judging digger.! Excellent training manual. Good advises on that last bit. Cheers from Christmas Island & Australia.
Residential Hallway with an outward door.. oooof. With no other options or windows; its a good time to bring out the shield. Without any exigent circumstances call up an agency that has one.
Great video. One question I have and don’t know if I saw it in the video is for doors that close on their own when thrown. Just curious for best practice on those types with the hinges at the top that cause them to close on their own. Thanks guys
Maybe something to deconflict... Some of our breachers went to a very well known breaching course. They talk about using the ram with "ass to hinges," which is obviously putting the dude in front of the door. This is mainly to protect the breacher from over breaching the door with the ram and smashing their arms on the frame. It is a real issue, but it seems like standing in front of it is going to cause worse problems than a broken arm.
What if the door swings back 50 percent bouncing off the wall. Does first man going in pin the door being the biggest unknown behind the door or first man clear opposite corner using door as concealment and two man pin the door.
Hes a peach with a peach, packin some peaches :) Really hoping to cross paths with yall at some point, y'all are doing good work. Even if you make fun of my holosun.
how would you tactically handle a door breach in both single CQB or with team member where you have a door that will not stay open long enough to make any positive ID inside the room, requiring you to push the door back open to pie the door frame? I have a personal "shoot house" and its an older house. in this house as I push the door open, it opens just as needed but because its hinges are worn out or whatever it may be, the door does not remain open, it instantly starts self closing to a small crack. so by the time I push from hinge side or wherever and back up out of the door frame get the gun up in the fight, the door is then basically closed. because its not latched not knowing proper tactics for this in single man CQB. I just use my AR barrel to push the door back open shine flash light, to avoid putting any of my body in the fatal funnel. especially since iv now given up my position. I do this 95% of the time in very low light conditions with gun light or under night vision.
Hello, I am far from being a specialist in this field but I am really interested. For the last closed door in the event that no other option is possible, no windows, etc. Like a basement or a crawl space. Would the idea of using a ballistic shield be a good option?
Depends on a lot, but I am generally not a fan of shields unless they are rifle rated and the guy deploying the shield is an absolute expert at one handed shooting.
Thanks for the video. Any thoughts on how to navigate a door with a commercial door closer mechanism that you can't just push open? Especially ones that close very quickly and powerfully? Can't just push it open. Thanks.
You just push it open and take the door dynamic while it’s open, or, you have someone staged jam a wedge or pin into the seam on the hinge side to keep it from swinging back closed. That can be a lot of exposure, so some guys teach for the wedge to be placed by the 3rd man after 1/2 took the door anyway
Thanks so much for your content and knowledge, it’s truly life saving. Quick question, does any of this change for auto closing doors, similar to schools? Asking in regard to breaching during an Active Shooter Response.
Rifle manipulation is typically far more important than rifle size. If you tell me more specifically which part your curious about I'll help as much as I can. I'm not associated with OTG but I've got experience.
Those are already very short guns for the 556 round. Some guys still advocate for subguns or even pistols in hallways, but I do not like the sacrifice of the rounds’ effect on target
@@oriontraininggroupllc2782 I totally agree about 556. I do have my own grunt experience, what we had at the time (short m4, folded stock) allowed more agility. Circumstances were different and we used explosives whenever possible. However with no such luxuries and in the confines of that corridor, the risk for someone like me to fumble a long gun is such that I may opt for a 9mm, with my buddy handling the longer weapon.
Hey man - in related question - but what are your thoughts on sub guns? Like the ZF-5P? Do they have any use in the prepared civilian world? Or just fun toys to plink with?
They definitely have a use case, generally speaking, but for the “prepared civilian” it may be more practical to have a less limited weapon if you can only have one or two things due to budget etc.
Quick question on 12:50 (ish): for a lefty on the knob side, would it be an option to push the door with the weapon itself? I'm no expert and no experience. My thought process is that by opening with the hand is quieter and you have a better grip (literally) on the door control. You can push it, you can pull it, you can do what you want. But the idea I had was to turn the knob, leave it outside of the door knob catch thing, present the gun and push it with the gun tip while already on a low ready/presenting it. Maybe that wouldn't work if the door path was blocked but the same would occur the same doing it by hand, right? What are your thoughts on it?
From personal experience it's not great. I've seen barrels glance doors making a ton of noise, you give up a certain level of having your weapon where you want it by virtue of having to angle it into the door, you are also basically guaranteeing your rifle over penatrates into the room albeit just for a moment.
Lots of things seems common sense to someone who’s already been taught it. Being able to effectively teach something you know by heart to someone with no prior knowledge is a big part of being a teacher.
Damn fellas. Love the video. Word of advice though. Don’t teach citizens Delta Force tactics like this. My one critique is be a quiet professional. I know you boys can shoot because I’ve seen you 2 do it.
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Civilian dude here. Thanks for these videos fellas. You guys have taught me a lot 💯
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Are people arguing that there are scenarios where they think it is ok to stand in front of a closed door? I don't even stand in front of doors when I knock on them for non-violent calls, let alone a scenario where firearms are drawn.
Yes there’s about 5 companies right now teaching to stand in front of the door.
@oriontraininggroupllc2782 a small town street cop has better common sense than those companies, I guess...
@@Dirigo.Developmentmost of them are run by small town cops, ironically
@@oriontraininggroupllc2782 sadly that makes more sense now...
I can think of situations where it is necessary, but none where it is a good thing that you actually want to do.
Always the best from OTG 👏🏼 thank you guys for what yall do 🫡
Thank you very much. My and the guys have been overthinking closed doors and who took what. Great stuff
Yes....Arizona Tea..?? BTW a 10 yr old kid just slips through you guys & planted the EMP in the room next door...!! Oh, OK what's with the rubber dolly.?? Not judging digger.! Excellent training manual. Good advises on that last bit. Cheers from Christmas Island & Australia.
Great tips to try out brothers thank you
Great video gents. Keep up the good work!
Absolutely great info
Good video, I was law enforcement for the state of Texas, keep up the great job
Residential Hallway with an outward door.. oooof. With no other options or windows; its a good time to bring out the shield. Without any exigent circumstances call up an agency that has one.
Thank you 🙏
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i like how kid come from no were
Good info
Great video. One question I have and don’t know if I saw it in the video is for doors that close on their own when thrown. Just curious for best practice on those types with the hinges at the top that cause them to close on their own. Thanks guys
You guys are awesome
Who is sneaking around your shoot house at 3:21??!! 😂
The elves that steal keys. Frame rate must have captured him on his way to move mine around
@@oriontraininggroupllc2782 Anyone on the West Coast do training like you?
@@gbos4384Core Vision is the closest thing to what we offer. Good dudes
If you can’t see the hinges, don’t keep pulling until you can see the hinges :)))))))
Hmmmmmmmm Cameron you say
Maybe something to deconflict... Some of our breachers went to a very well known breaching course. They talk about using the ram with "ass to hinges," which is obviously putting the dude in front of the door. This is mainly to protect the breacher from over breaching the door with the ram and smashing their arms on the frame. It is a real issue, but it seems like standing in front of it is going to cause worse problems than a broken arm.
I prefer different method for the reason you stated.
8:22 Charging handle getting caught on Admin pouch. Opps!
Yes indeed, part of why I hate under the arm 😂
What if the door swings back 50 percent bouncing off the wall. Does first man going in pin the door being the biggest unknown behind the door or first man clear opposite corner using door as concealment and two man pin the door.
Where can I find the FBI stats on officers shot at the breach point and last closed interior door?
LEOKA
Hes a peach with a peach, packin some peaches :) Really hoping to cross paths with yall at some point, y'all are doing good work. Even if you make fun of my holosun.
Good stuff as usual dudes 🤙🚪...doors are coffins ⚰️
how would you tactically handle a door breach in both single CQB or with team member where you have a door that will not stay open long enough to make any positive ID inside the room, requiring you to push the door back open to pie the door frame? I have a personal "shoot house" and its an older house. in this house as I push the door open, it opens just as needed but because its hinges are worn out or whatever it may be, the door does not remain open, it instantly starts self closing to a small crack. so by the time I push from hinge side or wherever and back up out of the door frame get the gun up in the fight, the door is then basically closed. because its not latched not knowing proper tactics for this in single man CQB. I just use my AR barrel to push the door back open shine flash light, to avoid putting any of my body in the fatal funnel. especially since iv now given up my position. I do this 95% of the time in very low light conditions with gun light or under night vision.
Hello, I am far from being a specialist in this field but I am really interested. For the last closed door in the event that no other option is possible, no windows, etc. Like a basement or a crawl space. Would the idea of using a ballistic shield be a good option?
Depends on a lot, but I am generally not a fan of shields unless they are rifle rated and the guy deploying the shield is an absolute expert at one handed shooting.
You guys teach us alot, any chance you could explain some off the non verbal commands?
Already filmed, will be published in the next couple months 🤙
Looking forward to that video.
Thanks for the video. Any thoughts on how to navigate a door with a commercial door closer mechanism that you can't just push open? Especially ones that close very quickly and powerfully? Can't just push it open. Thanks.
You just push it open and take the door dynamic while it’s open, or, you have someone staged jam a wedge or pin into the seam on the hinge side to keep it from swinging back closed. That can be a lot of exposure, so some guys teach for the wedge to be placed by the 3rd man after 1/2 took the door anyway
Cool! Cool! Cool!
Thanks so much for your content and knowledge, it’s truly life saving. Quick question, does any of this change for auto closing doors, similar to schools? Asking in regard to breaching during an Active Shooter Response.
Dynamic entry at that point. Just breach and go.
How do you go about training and getting a job doing CQB and room clearing?
How about using a shorter gun for that corridor, if possible?
Rifle manipulation is typically far more important than rifle size. If you tell me more specifically which part your curious about I'll help as much as I can. I'm not associated with OTG but I've got experience.
Those are already very short guns for the 556 round. Some guys still advocate for subguns or even pistols in hallways, but I do not like the sacrifice of the rounds’ effect on target
@@oriontraininggroupllc2782 I totally agree about 556. I do have my own grunt experience, what we had at the time (short m4, folded stock) allowed more agility.
Circumstances were different and we used explosives whenever possible. However with no such luxuries and in the confines of that corridor, the risk for someone like me to fumble a long gun is such that I may opt for a 9mm, with my buddy handling the longer weapon.
Hey man - in related question - but what are your thoughts on sub guns? Like the ZF-5P? Do they have any use in the prepared civilian world? Or just fun toys to plink with?
They definitely have a use case, generally speaking, but for the “prepared civilian” it may be more practical to have a less limited weapon if you can only have one or two things due to budget etc.
I highly doubt you guys at OTG will even see this but I have a question regarding something at the 22:00 mark of the video…
Yes?
Quick question on 12:50 (ish): for a lefty on the knob side, would it be an option to push the door with the weapon itself? I'm no expert and no experience.
My thought process is that by opening with the hand is quieter and you have a better grip (literally) on the door control. You can push it, you can pull it, you can do what you want. But the idea I had was to turn the knob, leave it outside of the door knob catch thing, present the gun and push it with the gun tip while already on a low ready/presenting it.
Maybe that wouldn't work if the door path was blocked but the same would occur the same doing it by hand, right?
What are your thoughts on it?
From personal experience it's not great. I've seen barrels glance doors making a ton of noise, you give up a certain level of having your weapon where you want it by virtue of having to angle it into the door, you are also basically guaranteeing your rifle over penatrates into the room albeit just for a moment.
@@sethsimpson8086correct, I would echo your input
@@sethsimpson8086 Thnaks!
Haha this guy. 14:55
So without watching the vid, push 2 past, open, dance, entry unless tech is used.
You should probably watch the video haha
well im sorry i was born in 2005
what
"About 40% of our viewership will get that" hahaha. Are we that old already? P.s. what in the ____ is a chug jug, some sort of panhandling device?
I believe it is a potion for buffing stats in Fortnite
First like. First comment. Love this content, guys! Thank you for what y’all do!!
Seems like common sense. As someone who has kicked hundreds of doors in the Middle East.
Lots of things seems common sense to someone who’s already been taught it. Being able to effectively teach something you know by heart to someone with no prior knowledge is a big part of being a teacher.
@@oriontraininggroupllc2782 fair enough
Sorry gents, I ruined the thumbs up. ...I'm like 667
Damn fellas. Love the video. Word of advice though. Don’t teach citizens Delta Force tactics like this. My one critique is be a quiet professional. I know you boys can shoot because I’ve seen you 2 do it.
I can’t tell if this is trolling or not
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Thank you for your time guys, and the essay comment was 🤌 ... 😂