I work in a Baker store and many customers eat with their eyes. For instance, if I placed a sign for a specific cake the wrong place by accident, some costumers would ask for what it says on the sign while pointing at the cake that the sign is placed in front of. But when I tell them that it's a different cake that contains something different than what the sign says, they don't hesitate and just says: "yesyes I want it anyways", like it doesn't matter what it contains, as long as it looks tasty. It's like with small children at the age 2-5. They judge by the color. If it's colorful they want it. Like when I worked in an icecream shop, no matter if it were boys or girls, they would almost always pick a pink colored icecream with rainbow springles.
@@nym053 That is not a good argument here because in that case the Behringer Crave would be the winner cause its more colourful. The Mother 32 is black and boring.
@@pocojoyo that's not what I'm saying. Don't be so rigid ;) the point of my "argument" is just that some/many people eat with their eyes. I just came up with 2 different examples taken from my own personal life experience of how people could do so 😅
@@pocojoyo that's cool. In my experience, just because something looks like it would taste good, doesn't actually mean that it tastes as good as it looks. Something could look less good and taste significantly better. But that's the cool thing about life. We're all different. If we were all the same, it would be god damn boring ;)
for certain... this was a rather epic side by side. electroconclastica aside i was amazed by the truly mirrored demonstration. i actually did close my eyes and was just dumbfounded. i love Moog and i appreciate Behringer so its really a treat to see a proper side by side.... thanks Starsky (thats a keeper)
Your videos are always so thorough, objective and honest. I’m a retired recording engineer of 20+, years, Synthesizer owner and programmer since 1972 and a amateur drummer for a long time. With the support of my wife, about a year and half ago I started putting together a new Music Studio Production Room in our home to include a host of Synthesizers, both Modular as well as some new Synths recent to the market. Anyway I did initially start out with several Behringers, Model D, Pro-1, Neutron, K-2 and ARP 2600 Blue Marvin mainly because they replicated Synths I had owned or worked with. I also had looked at the Crave but not too closely. Now it was time to take another look at it. I didn’t realize just how close to the Moog Mother 32 it sounds and functions. Hey I’m a big fan of Moog (I own a Matriarch and Theremini) and understand why their products are priced the way they are. After watching your video I was sold. I just ordered mine today.
walkeracid Thanks, that answers my biggest question. Having the Neutron I'd be buying the Crave primarily for the 32 step seq (as opposed to the 16 step seqs all my other gear has) so MIDI out is a big deal for my non-CV gear.
@doksan The newest firmware adds a setting in setup mode (Page 8 option 2) to disable the auto start behavior of the M32 sequencer. That said, I've still had mine revert to the old behavior once or twice until I toggled the setting on and off again.
And that folks is Moogs forte… controlling that filter pitch to maintain a musical attribute was the preciseness Bob relished in. He truly was a master of sound precision… him and Alan of course… but Bob was all about precision. I read that in the book :) I think thats why the Voyager is so coveted as well… it was his last synth he worked on fully. I’ve heard so many artist talk up that particular synth for having a toolbox of choices as well. Its price is right up there too 😂
I’m not a Behringer fan at all. Listening to this comparison, I think the question here is: is the subtle differences worth the £500 price difference? I think not. I would go for the Crave.
Moog is Moog and of course is respected for quality. There are also Behringer Haters around and they make it known. I have some hearing loss due to age but I cannot actually hear any difference. So if the Crave is better laid out, sounds the same, more working space and a 5th of the price I would rather have the Crave. In fact I am going to the synth shop this morning for one. When Moog saw this video they must have been horror stricken with the Audacity of it. Thank you for having the Audacity!
Holy crap, that's cool. I've played around with the Moog and thought it was really cool, but for the price difference, I could chain three Craves together and really go crazy.
Damn, I never even thought of that. That makes so much sense to combine multiple craves. I only wish it was in a eurorack compatible Format to stack them up efficiently.
I think Behringer shines best when a synth is mostly their own creation, as in Neutron, although taking inspiration from the a classic in that case the oscillator section of the Minimoog. Also it was cool the Deepmind is inspired on the Junos and had all that power and sounds so awesome but then the interface is stupid with menu controls that should be hardware and vice-versa. But then I realize how fond I am of the Crave and VC340. Still think they should have enhanced + diverged a bit from the originals, giving them a couple of onboard effects. All these new analogs should have an analog delay and decent reverb onboard...
I think the Crave is a little more unruly.. Which is nice. I know I just slapped mine into an old Zoom 1201, fired up the RD-8 and had more fun than is probably legal.
Very nice comparison, as you’ve done with the Edge vs #DFAM, too 👌🏻 I was wondering why exactly #Behringer didn’t put a ladder filter into the Edge as they’ve done in the Crave…? 🤷🏼♂️
I have a minitaur which I love, this video really helped me give the Behringer a shot and with the saved funds may purchase another one or 2 of these Behringer almost clones.
I have the Model D (mini Moog copy). I suggest getting one. It has 3 oscillators, which give you some Moog-like fatness. I bought an expander patchbay, that fits onto it perfectly, and gives you many more options for patching madness.
A lot of folks don't appreciate how such seemingly subtle differences between digital and analog implementations are actually quite large when performing live: 20:52 It's no small thing and it's enough for me to take it out of my cart.
what's weird about Crave's buttons is they are tactile buttons. Which to the best of my knowledge cost more in components and assembly than a silicon keypad. At least when doing the sort of volumes that Behringer. Tactile is usually considered a more premium choice. But I think they are too loud to use on drum machines, groove boxes, and modular synths.
Darkice Presents Arguably repair/service would be one reason. Parts supply chains via Behringer are a nightmare vs getting a part direct via Moog/it’s suppliers in my experience. You pay more, but it’s for the piece of mind you will be taken care of when something goes wrong - nobody talks about it cause repairs suck, but it’s the reality with larger companies vs boutique/smaller companies. That said, I think the new Behringer units sound great while they work - but I’ve sent more back for repair/parts in the short time I’ve seen them on the market vs the Mother range of products.
@@scalebrain643 There are lemons in all things we buy,i'll take my chance with them. Moog is a classic American built and well made no doubt, but i can't afford a minimoog for 3500 used that's 37 years old. Certain things are worth the hassle.
@@powermix24 Sure there are lemons in all gear from all companies - it is how those lemons are sorted afterward. I agree, the clones sound great and are an excellent/only alternative to the real thing (Odyssey sounds awesome) - just hope you have better luck with repair parts than I've had on a regular basis. I'm glad these synths have come out, but I also fix music electronics for a living and figured I would say my piece in this regard. There are several reasons the modern Moogs are so expensive and same goes for why the Behringers are so inexpensive - repairability/customer service being a large one IMO.
My crave arrived a couple of days ago. Loving it. The only thing is that I wish it had the option of running on batteries, would've been my new traveling toy :)
I got a Korg Monologue and a Behringer Crave. If the Crave had batteries.... You’re right. I’ve been playing the Korg a LOT more because it can go with me.
Mine is coming today or tomorrow and I was thinking exactly the same since I spend couple of hours on a bus most days. But then I googled "12v power bank" and you can get ones that do 12v with a selection of plugs like in universal power supplies for around 20e. Here: tinyurl.com/ranlkwh That should run it just fine for a few hours..The cells are cheap, although the description isn't clear on whether that can actually charge them or not.
they sound identical to me - at least the initial bit at 35 mins - i rly doubt anyone could tell the difference if blindfolded - id be well impressed if anyone could tell them apart - maybe there is some way to do so... Once in a track i rly think it might be impossible to do but you never know...maybe someone has magic ears out there...
I did a blind test. They are almost identical, but I always recognize the mother 32 and the crave. Crave is more "aggressive" in the low end but loses character in the higher range. There are also some subtle nuances (i.e. when pwm or changing the lfo rate) impossible to hear with the crave because it tends to distorce. Nuances that are instead audible with the M32. I'm not an expert (just passionate about modular) and my language is not appropriate, but that's what I hear.
Same here... subtle differences but they are there. when you spend hours designing sounds and tweaking stuff the differences become clear. Most people will never do this and never care, but if you do.. it makes a difference. Behringer know this and it works great for them... and for their customers (including me) but sometimes the more subtle things are needed.
yeah thats true, the orange panel and the funny "CRAVE" logo looks rather like a something would get for free with a magazine. But once you hear the sound all this doesnt matter anymore :D
I have now got both and I must admit the crave’s controls are lade out better and also the firmware update is a breeze so quick where as the M32 can be a pain but I still love my M32, I really love this comparison as it must of taken ages to work out, thanks for sharing buddy!
Brilliant video! It's great to see someone taking an objective view and offering a direct, un-biased comparison of a cheap 'n nasty piece of gear head-to-head with a premium product. I can hear some differences when they're both pushed to extremes- the M32 wins in a pure 'synth tone' way when under severe LFO/filter load. For a muppet like me though, this was everything I needed to know about the Crave... Getting one sent out ASAP 😆
Behringer keep getting the sound right on these units, and they are cheap, and that's important for people who are strapped for cash. But the Moog is the Moog and you get what you pay for, and you can sell it later for more money. But you can't knock Behringer for their cut-price designs and build quality
I'll most certainly knock them for this - stop ripping off other people's design work and design your own instruments! Their great accomplishment (affordability) is achieved by copying other people's work. Hardly admirable.
@@edwardprue I like the Mother, it's better quality but a lot more expensive than the Crave. Moog is a profit-sharing enterprise for its employees and Behringer isn't, and it's not going to change, so Behringer can produce stuff in China at lower cost. So if companies like Behringer are going to make cheaper clones, then at least make them good quality, and they are good quality for the price you pay. You neither want nor expect to pay 150 for something from Moog, but those who can afford the Crave now might well become savvy Moog customers when they get a bit more money later.....
@@keiz_ Not only that, Moog I think copied some elements of the Deepmind's software for the Moog One. And guess what, the Moog One is fantastic, the best synth Moog have ever made, wish I could afford one!
@@niknayme3754 +1 for someone giving Moog Ones to you and to me! Yes, Behringer has done a couple of their own designs - that's what makes it all the more maddening. I thought maybe they were leaving the copycat work behind, but then they released more knock-offs.
..to be fair, if behri nger cloned the moog mother-32, the design and sound of the crave is more my liking..even the orange colour fits to the palette of colours of the edge and possibly from the spice..cant wait to complete the trinity..I like behringer synths 🍀 🍄 🌻 ❤ great video by the way 🙂
Hi, love this video (and all your videos) will you be doing a similar video for the new Behringer Edge and the DFAM? it's another near direct copy from what I can tell, but the Edge has midi and USB so much more convenient to sync with a DAW (hopefully)
The crave may be one of the most fun synths especially at it's price point I ever bought. I just added one to my cart as it was relatively cheap and didn't expect much but IMHO it's one of the best purchases I made, even if I hated the synth part of it I could use the ladder filter with external audio but the synth is kick-ass.
I now look at Behringer as one of the most innovative companies out there and get excited when I see new products like these coming out. Years ago I used to think of them as studio junk. Obviously not run by the same team and engineers as it was many years ago! The company has taken a complete U-turn! I now think they're one of the best! Keep em coming guys!
Hi what's the oscilloscope waveform viewer thingy your using to see the audio when doing comparisons between the two?. Looks really useful. Live your videos, nice to see British synth enthusiastic people. Love all your videos
The sound comparison is astounding. I prefer the Moog's interface but wow. As I keep saying in the Behringer clone-to-original comparisons, I hope most of the price difference is not attributable to factory workers' working conditions.
Since the PCBs of Moog are also made in China there is no difference. With a Moog you support the US citizens that assemble the units I suppose. And pay for a name.
@@Sycokay If the Behringer costs like 40 bucks and the Moog maybe 70 or 80, then you could already arrive at such a huge difference in retail price... Also Moog probably keeps their prices intendendly higher to fit a higher end brand.. Fun fact Gibson guitars were a lot cheaper in the 80's or 90's and it ended up hurting sales, since people thought they would also be less good... so they quickly raised prices again ;)
The different in price is partially due to Behringer not doing any significant R&D since their clones are directly reverse-engineered from the originals, partially due to lower wages and thus lower manufacturing costs in China, and partially due to the fact that Moog synths are fully hand-built with the exception of the individual electronic components and PCBs which have to be outsourced.
@@VestedUTuber translation for the apologists: moog pays people to carefully conceive synth designs, pays their workers living wages in a democracy, and the synths are assembled by people, not robots, thereby providing additional employment in said democracy.
i was considering to buy the crave for a long time but after this comparison i really tend to save for the moog. The functionality is same or even better on the behringer but the sound of the moog is clearly superior to the behringer, at least for my taste. Considering the long term value, the better visual appearence and the analog envelopes, for me the moog is totally worth the extra money.
If Behringer is not hooking you in with sponsorship/endorsement, they should!!! If Behringer reads my comment, they should know... that I bought there Crave Synth module because of videos like Mr.Carr here , and I'll be using the Crave Synth module in both in my commercial licensed music (PRO: BMI - CAE / IPI 833986399) and also new albums that I am writing, recording and releasing for retail sale. I'm pretty venerable and co-written music in the past with some of the original creators of both Ambient and NewWave genre. Give Mr.Carr a sponsorship/endorsement deal going forward or if he has one, keep them coming to him - "so says Mr.Tom.. and so it was written.." Season's Greetings!
"I can hear the difference, the moog sound more smoother" LOL; the waveform is almost identical in amplitude and step; if you can hear the difference to that level of precision you have a hearing out of the human range ;) Good video overall; made clear about the differences and similarities
haha at least I've now found my superpower.. I just wish it was something more useful! To me the Moog is definitely smoother... or duller... and the CRAVE is brighter/harsher. Which is better depends on what you're using it for. But the CRAVE is using the 3340 chip as used by tonnes of synths, so I'm not putting it down... the Jupiter 6, P5 and Pro-One for example all use it - and it does sound different to the Moog, but not that most people would notice. When you're doing these videos you need to say something. :)
Not being able to rack Crave would be a deal breaker. Uncanny how similar they sound. I have a M32 and it kick but over any Moog software emulation imo.
if you compare the 600 euro mother-32 and the 155 euro crave then the crave is faaar in front in relation what you get for your money, I ordered a crave last friday :)
I could never mentally justify the price of the Moog with just the one oscillator. So I got Pittsburgh Modular SV1, no sequencer but two oscillators and a really useful midi to cv section. Until now I didn't realise the Crave was a Mother 32 clone! The buttons on the Crave look like those you get on Korg's latest keyboards, which I quite like, very positive and lighty uppy. Those ghost notes are strange, but they have that 303 style happy accident vibe. I like 'em!
I did the same thing---- I was looking at the Mother-32 for a long time, and finally settled on a Lifeforms SV-1. Very happy with my choice, the SV-1 is an awesome synth, great filter and lots of sound design complexity.
Orlando Pergamo - I'm not sure with the Crave but if you use the SV-1 as an example it can output 5 waveforms simultaneously, but this is still only the output of one single oscillator. You need two separate oscillators to allow for example playing 3rds or 7ths or that nice detuned thicker sound. Apologies if you already knew this, just wanted to make the distinction between multiple waveforms and multiple oscillators.
I have a Mother 32... I love my Mother 32... but I do wish the Crave came out and I saw this video right before getting the M32, because I would have used the money to get 3 Crave's instead.
Hulk Slayer Behringer offers incredible value but please remember that by buying it you basically support patent stealing and cheap labor. Moogs on the other hand are made by employee-owned company and their circuits are their own original work
@@Psztyk236 they don't steal patents... that's illegal. And I own a Sub Phatty and a Mother 32. There is a place in the market for both expensive and inexpensive. People who want to play a Minimoog without spending 3 months rent will get the Model D. People who want the best quality and craftsmanship and a piece of history will get the Minimoog.
@@jaycrall69 people just like to fight other people's fights for no reason. Same for nostalgia... romantic about other people's memories. What is life?
Ill take real plastic buttons over rubber ones any day. That "click" is physical feedback that you've actually completed a button press. Rubber ones you're never really sure without a light. There's a reason gamers pay significant money for mechanical clicky keyboards. My experience is rubber ones wear out sooner as well. There's only two reasons to use rubber buttons, one is to save cost. The other is if you need them to light up with an led under them. Honestly the crave is big time showing up the Mother in the button category and I have no idea why you would think the other way around. I haven't touched a Crave yet, but I have the Behringer Odyssey with the same sequencer buttons and they feel fine.
If you played Fortnite with keys like these you’d be toast in seconds :) each to his own though. To me it feels like a chore to get them to engage time and time again. Compared to everything else I have they feel poor quality... but really don’t get me wrong. I’m In no way having a go .. just commenting on my experience which is obviously different to yours. I didn’t like them in the Oddy either.. I thought they were the worst part of the synth.. I think I even mentioned it in my review (check it out... and the comparison with the Korg). But doesn’t take away from what it can do and how it sounds.
@@StarskyCarr Really dude ? What's freaking fortnight has to do with music ? I much prefer LIT keys .Im a musician ,I want to work with my room lit the way it inspires me.So ,LIT keys are GREAT ,no one is using these to actually play the thing .Your review is good and thanks but its not great ,you claim mother being better just 'cause its moog.And YOU prove yourself mistaken.Behringer can offer a cheap but fair price cause they own THAT kind of factories ,Behringer City.there are some points in your review that are really in your imagination like "behringer sounds smoother" and oscilloscope strongly disagrees with you...IF you doubt it ,a great example of your self cancellation can be found while watching 8:35-8:45 :Crave is looking so much better on oscilloscope.Being more specific on it ,you can see the graph of crave being square STRAIGHT line (the top side of this). Now go to 9:21 , and watch the top line falling down with a strong angle too..."they acting really similar isnt it " ΝΟ ,its Not !
@@ΓιώργοςΦώτης-ν3π wow.. someone needs a valium! but to respond.. 1. I mention Fortnight as the previous comment likens the keys to gamers keyboards.. they're nothing like the feel of a gamers keyboard 2. keys are a personal preference. You have yours, I have mine. But for some reason I don't feel the urge to force you to think like I do 3. I don't claim the Mother is better because it's Moog anywhere...?? 4. Sonic qualities are subjective - a straight line sawtooth might not sound as smooth to me. 5. The 3340 is renowned for being a bit harsher than a Moog oscillator - its famous for it and a quality many people prefer... myself included for certain situations 6. The synths both act EXTREMELY similar in so many ways ... in fact I think I recall there being a number of 'DANGER HIGH VOLTAGE' signals demonstrating just how similar I think they are... 7. Take a look at all my other CRAVE tutorials to see how much I'm enjoying the synth 8. Why have I annoyed you so much? 9. Happy Christmas 10. Thanks for stopping by :)
@@StarskyCarr hahaha you still failed to respond on how something that looks better on the oscillator ,sounds worst to you.I don't think my post was hostile ,but ok anyway .Merry christmas to you too :D
@@ΓιώργοςΦώτης-ν3π see answer 4 above 4. I did answer your point. It did come across as hostile, but it seems English isn't your first language, maybe using capitals and starting with 'freaking fortnight' has something to do with it? Hahahah
I can't afford a Mother-32. I can stretch to a Crave, so it's an easy choice for me. Crave is less than a quarter of the price of an M32 at the moment. Thanks for helping me decide.
@@StarskyCarr Although at the moment I'm bidding on a Behringer Model D which is a knock off of a Mini Moog at a fraction of the price. By the end of this year I intend to own both.
Cool video! I'm an analog bass player and I'm just thinking to get some synth device for additional bass sounds. So there are some bass pedals - but I think it would be more "artificial" to take a real synth. And your video showed me nice stuff. So ... maybe I will get the "crave" just for having fun around christmas. Not sure, if it will get to a live gig - but I'm quite sure I will have fun with it. Thanks for the video, liked! Best regards, Stefan
Get it... have a play, and if you not get much use from it you'll never lose much if you sell it. I always think of things like this as losing some cash if I sell them on, but I've had the fun from them for a few hours, which was worth the money. Thanks for watching :)
Excellent comparison! You sold me the Crave! )) Please tell - whether the sound settings can be controlled via usb on Crave from my DAW ? And whether an external sequencer(DAW) can be connected via usb? Thank you for your answer.
The only thing that can be controlled via MIDI USB from a Daw is note on/off. Everything else is CV only, you can’t control the other parameters with MIDI.
Perhaps when doing the OSC comparison, it would of been better to use the direct output of OSC SAW and OSC SQR? Perhaps the difference between the two waves , one being smoother than the other, is the differences in the filters?
Can you link 2 craves together and do the random self generating patches/sequences a lot of people were doing on 2 mother 32 ? I always wanted to have a go at that but couldnt afford a grand for 2 moogs.
You can but I think all the cables will be on your way a bit annoying to me. In that matter the moog one has the advantage to be stacked up with another unit :)
All those clowns who said that the crave is the winner , please feed your ears. as an owner of both these synths , for me the mother 32 is way better. Especially at the sound quality - mother 32 feels warmer and stable at any octave and type of sound I like my crave too ,it’s sounds great after all but when i turns on the mother 32 after using the crave it feels like a whole new level.
Cool comparison, i am not really interested in the Grave and also the mother 32 is not really on my wanted list atm. Subharmonicon looks much more interessting for me. But i would love to see a video like this about the comparison of the Behringer Edge that should come out soon and the Moog Dfam, i own the DFAM but would not mind to have a second one and a "travel DFAM" with midi. I only fear they go again with the 3340 Oscillator and even when that is for sure not a bad one, it will become hard to deliever the same power over the same frequency range as the dfam does.
@@StarskyCarr nice, would be really interesting how close it becomes. When they released the Boog Model D i made a extra visit at the Thomann music store to test it next to a Minimoog and could was really impressed that it was near impossibel to say only by audio what is what, but there they had the original osc cloned working inside. But since the Neutron they are in love with the 3340 Osc, what is how is said an amazing osc, but not to mimic a Moog
Perhaps one of those graphic designers who make overlays for synths could make some for the Mother32. I bought a very nice one for my Behringer Neutron that makes it somewhat resemble a Moog Grandmother. www.heinakroon.net/Colours_20/p5751465_19990495.aspx#images-5
@@cresshead -- No. I'm only suggesting that these folks who make overlays for Behringer synths (like my Neutron, the Model D, etc.) should also make some overlays for some of the Moog desktop synths like Mother32, DFAM, etc. I actually like the look of Moog's "black" synths, but they're not quite as easy to read as their more colorful cousins, e.g., Sirin, Grandmother, and Matriarch. Not that I particularly like those colors either, but it does make the "components" stand out and the knob settings, in some cases, easier to read.
Hey Hutch, recently picked up a Moog Grandmother. Absolutely love it. Our 4th analog synth , but our first Moog (well, except Animoog), and our first semi-modular. The GM has just been pure bonanza for inspiration. Love it, like next level. Question: How do you think the GM would play with the Crave? In Terms of patchability, as well as overall sound? Like do you think the GM and Crave could have a lot of meaningful cv interaction, producing new sounds and rhythms by sending cv back and forth? Think it would be better with M32? Thanks!
I have been enjoying your videos ever since I got my 1st Behringer synth. One of my friends is considering either getting a Neutron or a Crave- might you do a video comparing those two? It's likely similar to comparing melons to apples, but hey, you are my fave synth master- will you conduct a Crave VS Neutron video? Thanks.
Thanks, glad you're enjoying the channel. I've not got a Neutron, but may get hold of one - it didn't appeal to me as I think I've got it covered in other synths. I buy these myself so tend to only get things that might be a good addition.
Great comparison. At 27:14 it is clear the devices are very out of tune from each other. But in other parts of the comparison, they seem in tune. What happened ?
Ha no idea. I’ll have been mucking about with them while making the sequence. I’ll have played around with everything to create the sequence I demo later, which uses a fair bit of modulation. Then come back to the start and demo what I’ve just been doing. I do this to make sure I’m going somewhere useful and not just making noises. But when doing these vids you’re concentrating on so much going on plus distractions... levels, timing, camera batteries, microphone getting in the way, telephones ringing etc etc it’s easy to miss the obvious!
In the update to 1.08 yesterday the Crave has got rid of the ghost triggering issue.
Typical.. just after I upload this... :) pinned.
Where did you find the update? I can't find it on Behringer site.
Thanx for the info!!! I ll try ASAP!
...It was my last request on this synth!
@Bunty McCunty Thanks
You have to be careful, after this update, when in Synth Tool 2.1 I sent one sequence to Crave, it deleted all of them inside; /
If I close my eyes while playing the video, both sound exactly the same. But if I open my eyes the Moog sounds better. Incredible !
I work in a Baker store and many customers eat with their eyes. For instance, if I placed a sign for a specific cake the wrong place by accident, some costumers would ask for what it says on the sign while pointing at the cake that the sign is placed in front of. But when I tell them that it's a different cake that contains something different than what the sign says, they don't hesitate and just says: "yesyes I want it anyways", like it doesn't matter what it contains, as long as it looks tasty. It's like with small children at the age 2-5. They judge by the color. If it's colorful they want it. Like when I worked in an icecream shop, no matter if it were boys or girls, they would almost always pick a pink colored icecream with rainbow springles.
@@nym053 That is not a good argument here because in that case the Behringer Crave would be the winner cause its more colourful. The Mother 32 is black and boring.
@@pocojoyo that's not what I'm saying. Don't be so rigid ;) the point of my "argument" is just that some/many people eat with their eyes. I just came up with 2 different examples taken from my own personal life experience of how people could do so 😅
@@nym053 I dont know cause Ive had a different experience in bakeries. Usually what I look that tastes good, tastes good !
@@pocojoyo that's cool. In my experience, just because something looks like it would taste good, doesn't actually mean that it tastes as good as it looks. Something could look less good and taste significantly better. But that's the cool thing about life. We're all different. If we were all the same, it would be god damn boring ;)
why people always criticize the clicky keyboard buttons on the Crave ? They are not for playing Chopin ! Theyre just to input notes !
"why people always criticize "
Only few criticize then the rest just follow them like a sheep.
for certain... this was a rather epic side by side. electroconclastica aside i was amazed by the truly mirrored demonstration. i actually did close my eyes and was just dumbfounded. i love Moog and i appreciate Behringer so its really a treat to see a proper side by side.... thanks Starsky (thats a keeper)
This video made me buy a Crave some weeks ago and I love it. 🔥
I love the yellow " danger! high voltage warnings" 😂
Great vid. I've been lusting after a M32 for the last couple of years but couldn't really justify the expense. The Crave is now on the shopping list.0
Same. My Crave should be here next week!
You already saved me a lot of money with your Videos, man! Thanks for this!
Great video, thank you. Currently have a Crave on order - It'll be my first new hardware synth in over 20 years!
Interesting comparison. Thanks for doing this.
Your videos are always so thorough, objective and honest. I’m a retired recording engineer of 20+, years, Synthesizer owner and programmer since 1972 and a amateur drummer for a long time. With the support of my wife, about a year and half ago I started putting together a new Music Studio Production Room in our home to include a host of Synthesizers, both Modular as well as some new Synths recent to the market. Anyway I did initially start out with several Behringers, Model D, Pro-1, Neutron, K-2 and ARP 2600 Blue Marvin mainly because they replicated Synths I had owned or worked with. I also had looked at the Crave but not too closely. Now it was time to take another look at it. I didn’t realize just how close to the Moog Mother 32 it sounds and functions. Hey I’m a big fan of Moog (I own a Matriarch and Theremini) and understand why their products are priced the way they are. After watching your video I was sold. I just ordered mine today.
MIDI Thru on Crave, also act as a MIDI Out. I´m just playing some wonderfull sequences from Crave to my Model D :-)
walkeracid Thanks, that answers my biggest question. Having the Neutron I'd be buying the Crave primarily for the 32 step seq (as opposed to the 16 step seqs all my other gear has) so MIDI out is a big deal for my non-CV gear.
Yeah man, you could work around it with beatstep pro, as it acts as midi to cv module aswell.. perhaps regular beatstep even
@doksan The newest firmware adds a setting in setup mode (Page 8 option 2) to disable the auto start behavior of the M32 sequencer. That said, I've still had mine revert to the old behavior once or twice until I toggled the setting on and off again.
Thanks for putting the actual juicy content from the start, good vid
My mother 32 has a filter that yields a sine wave that can track pitch even better than its normal VCO’s voices. THANKS FOR SHARING!!
And that folks is Moogs forte… controlling that filter pitch to maintain a musical attribute was the preciseness Bob relished in. He truly was a master of sound precision… him and Alan of course… but Bob was all about precision. I read that in the book :) I think thats why the Voyager is so coveted as well… it was his last synth he worked on fully. I’ve heard so many artist talk up that particular synth for having a toolbox of choices as well. Its price is right up there too 😂
Thanks very much for this comparison. I had wondered what the Crave was a clone of and you answered that question.
Moog finding it hard to swallow. I must add, I prefer the harder type of keys. If you can hear then, you’re just not loud enough.
I’m not a Behringer fan at all. Listening to this comparison, I think the question here is: is the subtle differences worth the £500 price difference? I think not. I would go for the Crave.
The Behringer sounds better. So you're asking if paying £500 more for a downgrade is worth it?
I didn't know the crave was a clone in disguise... Interesting! I have a crave and always wanted to have a mother 32. I won't buy one then :)
Moog is Moog and of course is respected for quality.
There are also Behringer Haters around and they make it known.
I have some hearing loss due to age but I cannot actually hear any difference.
So if the Crave is better laid out, sounds the same, more working space and a 5th of the price I would rather have the Crave.
In fact I am going to the synth shop this morning for one.
When Moog saw this video they must have been horror stricken with the Audacity of it.
Thank you for having the Audacity!
next level comparison like: screen shot the oscillators screens and blend layer over each other them to see the difference
For the price the Crave would be great for anyone starting out and also a fun cheap extra sound source
like me!
Holy crap, that's cool. I've played around with the Moog and thought it was really cool, but for the price difference, I could chain three Craves together and really go crazy.
Damn, I never even thought of that. That makes so much sense to combine multiple craves. I only wish it was in a eurorack compatible Format to stack them up efficiently.
Very informative - I really enjoyed this, thank you.
I think Behringer shines best when a synth is mostly their own creation, as in Neutron, although taking inspiration from the a classic in that case the oscillator section of the Minimoog. Also it was cool the Deepmind is inspired on the Junos and had all that power and sounds so awesome but then the interface is stupid with menu controls that should be hardware and vice-versa. But then I realize how fond I am of the Crave and VC340. Still think they should have enhanced + diverged a bit from the originals, giving them a couple of onboard effects. All these new analogs should have an analog delay and decent reverb onboard...
In depth comparison so a rookie like me can really get a grasp of similarities and differences. Thank you sir
Very cool! Until now I did not realize that I already HAVE a Mother-32.
It's absolutely amazing what Behringer did with the Moog ladder filter. So close to the original.
I think the Crave is a little more unruly.. Which is nice.
I know I just slapped mine into an old Zoom 1201, fired up the RD-8 and had more fun than is probably legal.
amazing and meticulous comparison. Thank you for that
Very nice comparison, as you’ve done with the Edge vs #DFAM, too 👌🏻 I was wondering why exactly #Behringer didn’t put a ladder filter into the Edge as they’ve done in the Crave…? 🤷🏼♂️
I have a minitaur which I love, this video really helped me give the Behringer a shot and with the saved funds may purchase another one or 2 of these Behringer almost clones.
I have the Model D (mini Moog copy). I suggest getting one. It has 3 oscillators, which give you some Moog-like fatness. I bought an expander patchbay, that fits onto it perfectly, and gives you many more options for patching madness.
@@paulmattle6683 what patchbay did you get ?
No Crave without Bob.
Have a Crave myself but will get some Bob stuff too when my funds allow.
Moog is analogue fatness ;-)
Thanks for your work!
Bob is dead...
A lot of folks don't appreciate how such seemingly subtle differences between digital and analog implementations are actually quite large when performing live: 20:52
It's no small thing and it's enough for me to take it out of my cart.
I agree... when gently tweaking and going for some subtle changes this makes a huge impact.
what's weird about Crave's buttons is they are tactile buttons. Which to the best of my knowledge cost more in components and assembly than a silicon keypad. At least when doing the sort of volumes that Behringer. Tactile is usually considered a more premium choice. But I think they are too loud to use on drum machines, groove boxes, and modular synths.
Quit micing your synths lol
Epic.
Sounds exactly the same as the Mo...
I bought a Model D and a crave for $420, there is no justifying a Moog Mother 32 IMHO. Great comparison.
Darkice Presents Arguably repair/service would be one reason. Parts supply chains via Behringer are a nightmare vs getting a part direct via Moog/it’s suppliers in my experience. You pay more, but it’s for the piece of mind you will be taken care of when something goes wrong - nobody talks about it cause repairs suck, but it’s the reality with larger companies vs boutique/smaller companies.
That said, I think the new Behringer units sound great while they work - but I’ve sent more back for repair/parts in the short time I’ve seen them on the market vs the Mother range of products.
@@scalebrain643 There are lemons in all things we buy,i'll take my chance with them. Moog is a classic American built and well made no doubt, but i can't afford a minimoog for 3500 used that's 37 years old. Certain things are worth the hassle.
@@scalebrain643 The Crave just came out. Behringer's synths are also fairly well built too. Have little very little complaints or mentions of faults.
@@scalebrain643 they shouldnt break that easily tho so it's definetly worth spending less than half the price on a crave
@@powermix24 Sure there are lemons in all gear from all companies - it is how those lemons are sorted afterward. I agree, the clones sound great and are an excellent/only alternative to the real thing (Odyssey sounds awesome) - just hope you have better luck with repair parts than I've had on a regular basis. I'm glad these synths have come out, but I also fix music electronics for a living and figured I would say my piece in this regard. There are several reasons the modern Moogs are so expensive and same goes for why the Behringers are so inexpensive - repairability/customer service being a large one IMO.
Great video thanks, it helped me make my decision, it should arrive tomorrow 🎉
My crave arrived a couple of days ago. Loving it. The only thing is that I wish it had the option of running on batteries, would've been my new traveling toy :)
Hmm, that might have added another 20 bucks to the price 🤔
I got a Korg Monologue and a Behringer Crave. If the Crave had batteries.... You’re right. I’ve been playing the Korg a LOT more because it can go with me.
Mine is coming today or tomorrow and I was thinking exactly the same since I spend couple of hours on a bus most days. But then I googled "12v power bank" and you can get ones that do 12v with a selection of plugs like in universal power supplies for around 20e. Here: tinyurl.com/ranlkwh
That should run it just fine for a few hours..The cells are cheap, although the description isn't clear on whether that can actually charge them or not.
You can get usb to jack converters for up to 12 volt , then you could use a USB power bank , that’s what I’m going to do
It's up to Moog now to find. Way to reach the more affordable market..
they sound identical to me - at least the initial bit at 35 mins - i rly doubt anyone could tell the difference if blindfolded - id be well impressed if anyone could tell them apart - maybe there is some way to do so...
Once in a track i rly think it might be impossible to do but you never know...maybe someone has magic ears out there...
I did a blind test. They are almost identical, but I always recognize the mother 32 and the crave. Crave is more "aggressive" in the low end but loses character in the higher range. There are also some subtle nuances (i.e. when pwm or changing the lfo rate) impossible to hear with the crave because it tends to distorce. Nuances that are instead audible with the M32.
I'm not an expert (just passionate about modular) and my language is not appropriate, but that's what I hear.
Same here... subtle differences but they are there. when you spend hours designing sounds and tweaking stuff the differences become clear. Most people will never do this and never care, but if you do.. it makes a difference. Behringer know this and it works great for them... and for their customers (including me) but sometimes the more subtle things are needed.
Enjoyed that-well done. If I had the money, I’d go with the Moog and maintain my black & silver motif rather than end up with Behringer’s lolly jar.
yeah thats true, the orange panel and the funny "CRAVE" logo looks rather like a something would get for free with a magazine. But once you hear the sound all this doesnt matter anymore :D
They sound surprisingly close !
This is the VS I've been waiting for. Thanks for doing this!
Love the aggressive sound of the Crave tbh
I have now got both and I must admit the crave’s controls are lade out better and also the firmware update is a breeze so quick where as the M32 can be a pain but I still love my M32, I really love this comparison as it must of taken ages to work out, thanks for sharing buddy!
For me the Behringer firmware update has never been anything but pain..just last month firmware update bricked my Monopoly.
I got subharmonicon, dfam and matriarch. Debating crave or mother-32. What is your opinion?
@nebula393 thanks a lot
"IT'S EXACTLY THE SAME AS THE MOOG"
that actually made me laugh. That doesn't happen often! :L
Brilliant video! It's great to see someone taking an objective view and offering a direct, un-biased comparison of a cheap 'n nasty piece of gear head-to-head with a premium product.
I can hear some differences when they're both pushed to extremes- the M32 wins in a pure 'synth tone' way when under severe LFO/filter load. For a muppet like me though, this was everything I needed to know about the Crave... Getting one sent out ASAP 😆
Cheap ‘n cheerful 😉 😂
Cool Thanks for this work bro.. i decide for the crave ;)
Behringer keep getting the sound right on these units, and they are cheap, and that's important for people who are strapped for cash. But the Moog is the Moog and you get what you pay for, and you can sell it later for more money. But you can't knock Behringer for their cut-price designs and build quality
I'll most certainly knock them for this - stop ripping off other people's design work and design your own instruments! Their great accomplishment (affordability) is achieved by copying other people's work. Hardly admirable.
@@edwardprue I like the Mother, it's better quality but a lot more expensive than the Crave. Moog is a profit-sharing enterprise for its employees and Behringer isn't, and it's not going to change, so Behringer can produce stuff in China at lower cost. So if companies like Behringer are going to make cheaper clones, then at least make them good quality, and they are good quality for the price you pay. You neither want nor expect to pay 150 for something from Moog, but those who can afford the Crave now might well become savvy Moog customers when they get a bit more money later.....
Ed Prue they did make the deepmind 6/12, and the neutron. Those are original
@@keiz_ Not only that, Moog I think copied some elements of the Deepmind's software for the Moog One. And guess what, the Moog One is fantastic, the best synth Moog have ever made, wish I could afford one!
@@niknayme3754 +1 for someone giving Moog Ones to you and to me! Yes, Behringer has done a couple of their own designs - that's what makes it all the more maddening. I thought maybe they were leaving the copycat work behind, but then they released more knock-offs.
..to be fair, if behri nger cloned the moog mother-32, the design and sound of the crave is more my liking..even the orange colour fits to the palette of colours of the edge and possibly from the spice..cant wait to complete the trinity..I like behringer synths 🍀 🍄 🌻 ❤ great video by the way 🙂
Hi, love this video (and all your videos) will you be doing a similar video for the new Behringer Edge and the DFAM? it's another near direct copy from what I can tell, but the Edge has midi and USB so much more convenient to sync with a DAW (hopefully)
… if I can get my hands on one.. 😉
Never considered how similar these two are. Wow.
It came as a surprise to me. I had no idea until I stated to record this.
LOVE THE CHANNEL!
The crave may be one of the most fun synths especially at it's price point I ever bought. I just added one to my cart as it was relatively cheap and didn't expect much but IMHO it's one of the best purchases I made, even if I hated the synth part of it I could use the ladder filter with external audio but the synth is kick-ass.
\Good on you Starsky and good to hear your northern accent!!
I now look at Behringer as one of the most innovative companies out there and get excited when I see new products like these coming out. Years ago I used to think of them as studio junk. Obviously not run by the same team and engineers as it was many years ago! The company has taken a complete U-turn! I now think they're one of the best! Keep em coming guys!
Hi what's the oscilloscope waveform viewer thingy your using to see the audio when doing comparisons between the two?. Looks really useful. Live your videos, nice to see British synth enthusiastic people. Love all your videos
The sound comparison is astounding. I prefer the Moog's interface but wow. As I keep saying in the Behringer clone-to-original comparisons, I hope most of the price difference is not attributable to factory workers' working conditions.
Since the PCBs of Moog are also made in China there is no difference. With a Moog you support the US citizens that assemble the units I suppose. And pay for a name.
@@Sycokay If the Behringer costs like 40 bucks and the Moog maybe 70 or 80, then you could already arrive at such a huge difference in retail price... Also Moog probably keeps their prices intendendly higher to fit a higher end brand.. Fun fact Gibson guitars were a lot cheaper in the 80's or 90's and it ended up hurting sales, since people thought they would also be less good... so they quickly raised prices again ;)
The different in price is partially due to Behringer not doing any significant R&D since their clones are directly reverse-engineered from the originals, partially due to lower wages and thus lower manufacturing costs in China, and partially due to the fact that Moog synths are fully hand-built with the exception of the individual electronic components and PCBs which have to be outsourced.
@@VestedUTuber translation for the apologists: moog pays people to carefully conceive synth designs, pays their workers living wages in a democracy, and the synths are assembled by people, not robots, thereby providing additional employment in said democracy.
@@fluim0102 moog is not Gibson.
i was considering to buy the crave for a long time but after this comparison i really tend to save for the moog. The functionality is same or even better on the behringer but the sound of the moog is clearly superior to the behringer, at least for my taste. Considering the long term value, the better visual appearence and the analog envelopes, for me the moog is totally worth the extra money.
You can't be serious. I close my eyes and I can't tell these things apart in the video.
@@bryanburns9702 Yeah, did we watch the same video? I agree that they're slightly different, but to pay 3 times the price?
"What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet."
If Behringer is not hooking you in with sponsorship/endorsement, they should!!! If Behringer reads my comment, they should know... that I bought there Crave Synth module because of videos like Mr.Carr here , and I'll be using the Crave Synth module in both in my commercial licensed music (PRO: BMI - CAE / IPI 833986399) and also new albums that I am writing, recording and releasing for retail sale. I'm pretty venerable and co-written music in the past with some of the original creators of both Ambient and NewWave genre. Give Mr.Carr a sponsorship/endorsement deal going forward or if he has one, keep them coming to him - "so says Mr.Tom.. and so it was written.." Season's Greetings!
Haha, yeah no sponsorship here, perhaps they think it would impact on my impartiality... a little Christmas present wouldn’t go amiss though ;)
@@StarskyCarr You never know, I think they should. :)
Seems I need a Crave. I'd like the M32 for the Euro compatibility, but it's not worth paying double or more IMO
"I can hear the difference, the moog sound more smoother" LOL; the waveform is almost identical in amplitude and step; if you can hear the difference to that level of precision you have a hearing out of the human range ;)
Good video overall; made clear about the differences and similarities
haha at least I've now found my superpower.. I just wish it was something more useful! To me the Moog is definitely smoother... or duller... and the CRAVE is brighter/harsher. Which is better depends on what you're using it for. But the CRAVE is using the 3340 chip as used by tonnes of synths, so I'm not putting it down... the Jupiter 6, P5 and Pro-One for example all use it - and it does sound different to the Moog, but not that most people would notice. When you're doing these videos you need to say something. :)
@@StarskyCarr might also have to do with youtube's compression
Moog sounds smoother and more musical
Great show!
Not being able to rack Crave would be a deal breaker. Uncanny how similar they sound. I have a M32 and it kick but over any Moog software emulation imo.
There’s someone on eBay U.K. that sells them for £20 a pair.
if you compare the 600 euro mother-32 and the 155 euro crave then the crave is faaar in front in relation what you get for your money, I ordered a crave last friday :)
2 year review, how's that crave working out for you?
Behringer is just killing it in the synth world!
Cheers for another great video/revelation!
But damn it, you may have forced me to get a Crave now... damn it! ;-)
I could never mentally justify the price of the Moog with just the one oscillator. So I got Pittsburgh Modular SV1, no sequencer but two oscillators and a really useful midi to cv section.
Until now I didn't realise the Crave was a Mother 32 clone! The buttons on the Crave look like those you get on Korg's latest keyboards, which I quite like, very positive and lighty uppy.
Those ghost notes are strange, but they have that 303 style happy accident vibe. I like 'em!
I did the same thing---- I was looking at the Mother-32 for a long time, and finally settled on a Lifeforms SV-1. Very happy with my choice, the SV-1 is an awesome synth, great filter and lots of sound design complexity.
The Buttons on the Korg Keyboards (Monologue for example) feel alot softer when you press them than the Behringer Buttons.
Orlando Pergamo - I'm not sure with the Crave but if you use the SV-1 as an example it can output 5 waveforms simultaneously, but this is still only the output of one single oscillator. You need two separate oscillators to allow for example playing 3rds or 7ths or that nice detuned thicker sound. Apologies if you already knew this, just wanted to make the distinction between multiple waveforms and multiple oscillators.
Orlando Pergamo - fair comment, SH101 is the king of bass!
I sent my Crave to a furniture shop and they cleared off the lacquer on the wood panels for $300...... well worth it!
Haha love it
I have a Mother 32... I love my Mother 32... but I do wish the Crave came out and I saw this video right before getting the M32, because I would have used the money to get 3 Crave's instead.
Hulk Slayer Behringer offers incredible value but please remember that by buying it you basically support patent stealing and cheap labor. Moogs on the other hand are made by employee-owned company and their circuits are their own original work
@@Psztyk236 they don't steal patents... that's illegal. And I own a Sub Phatty and a Mother 32. There is a place in the market for both expensive and inexpensive. People who want to play a Minimoog without spending 3 months rent will get the Model D. People who want the best quality and craftsmanship and a piece of history will get the Minimoog.
@@Psztyk236 youve not much clue what your talking about, go read about some former moog employees, opens the eyes
@@jaycrall69 people just like to fight other people's fights for no reason. Same for nostalgia... romantic about other people's memories. What is life?
jaycrall69 ...would really be interested in those former employee stuff, where could i find it? And what do you mean exactly?
Wow friend. Behringher Is a super sound wonderful sound
Ill take real plastic buttons over rubber ones any day. That "click" is physical feedback that you've actually completed a button press. Rubber ones you're never really sure without a light. There's a reason gamers pay significant money for mechanical clicky keyboards. My experience is rubber ones wear out sooner as well. There's only two reasons to use rubber buttons, one is to save cost. The other is if you need them to light up with an led under them. Honestly the crave is big time showing up the Mother in the button category and I have no idea why you would think the other way around. I haven't touched a Crave yet, but I have the Behringer Odyssey with the same sequencer buttons and they feel fine.
If you played Fortnite with keys like these you’d be toast in seconds :) each to his own though. To me it feels like a chore to get them to engage time and time again. Compared to everything else I have they feel poor quality... but really don’t get me wrong. I’m
In no way having a go .. just commenting on my experience which is obviously different to yours. I didn’t like them in the Oddy either.. I thought they were the worst part of the synth.. I think I even mentioned it in my review (check it out... and the comparison with the Korg). But doesn’t take away from what it can do and how it sounds.
@@StarskyCarr Really dude ? What's freaking fortnight has to do with music ? I much prefer LIT keys .Im a musician ,I want to work with my room lit the way it inspires me.So ,LIT keys are GREAT ,no one is using these to actually play the thing .Your review is good and thanks but its not great ,you claim mother being better just 'cause its moog.And YOU prove yourself mistaken.Behringer can offer a cheap but fair price cause they own THAT kind of factories ,Behringer City.there are some points in your review that are really in your imagination like "behringer sounds smoother" and oscilloscope strongly disagrees with you...IF you doubt it ,a great example of your self cancellation can be found while watching 8:35-8:45 :Crave is looking so much better on oscilloscope.Being more specific on it ,you can see the graph of crave being square STRAIGHT line (the top side of this). Now go to 9:21 , and watch the top line falling down with a strong angle too..."they acting really similar isnt it " ΝΟ ,its Not !
@@ΓιώργοςΦώτης-ν3π wow.. someone needs a valium! but to respond..
1. I mention Fortnight as the previous comment likens the keys to gamers keyboards.. they're nothing like the feel of a gamers keyboard
2. keys are a personal preference. You have yours, I have mine. But for some reason I don't feel the urge to force you to think like I do
3. I don't claim the Mother is better because it's Moog anywhere...??
4. Sonic qualities are subjective - a straight line sawtooth might not sound as smooth to me.
5. The 3340 is renowned for being a bit harsher than a Moog oscillator - its famous for it and a quality many people prefer... myself included for certain situations
6. The synths both act EXTREMELY similar in so many ways ... in fact I think I recall there being a number of 'DANGER HIGH VOLTAGE' signals demonstrating just how similar I think they are...
7. Take a look at all my other CRAVE tutorials to see how much I'm enjoying the synth
8. Why have I annoyed you so much?
9. Happy Christmas
10. Thanks for stopping by :)
@@StarskyCarr hahaha you still failed to respond on how something that looks better on the oscillator ,sounds worst to you.I don't think my post was hostile ,but ok anyway .Merry christmas to you too :D
@@ΓιώργοςΦώτης-ν3π see answer 4 above 4. I did answer your point. It did come across as hostile, but it seems English isn't your first language, maybe using capitals and starting with 'freaking fortnight' has something to do with it? Hahahah
I can't afford a Mother-32. I can stretch to a Crave, so it's an easy choice for me. Crave is less than a quarter of the price of an M32 at the moment. Thanks for helping me decide.
I honestly never realised they were so similar until I started recording this :)
@@StarskyCarr Although at the moment I'm bidding on a Behringer Model D which is a knock off of a Mini Moog at a fraction of the price. By the end of this year I intend to own both.
Great Demo, what program/app do you use to monitor the waves?
Just bought one !
Cool video! I'm an analog bass player and I'm just thinking to get some synth device for additional bass sounds. So there are some bass pedals - but I think it would be more "artificial" to take a real synth. And your video showed me nice stuff. So ... maybe I will get the "crave" just for having fun around christmas. Not sure, if it will get to a live gig - but I'm quite sure I will have fun with it. Thanks for the video, liked! Best regards, Stefan
Get it... have a play, and if you not get much use from it you'll never lose much if you sell it. I always think of things like this as losing some cash if I sell them on, but I've had the fun from them for a few hours, which was worth the money. Thanks for watching :)
thank you very much!
Excellent comparison! You sold me the Crave! ))
Please tell - whether the sound settings can be controlled via usb on Crave from my DAW ? And whether an external sequencer(DAW) can be connected via usb? Thank you for your answer.
The only thing that can be controlled via MIDI USB from a Daw is note on/off. Everything else is CV only, you can’t control the other parameters with MIDI.
@@StarskyCarr probably that wasn’t there when you made the video, but now you can actually assign mod or pitch wheel midi CC to the assign out!
Perhaps when doing the OSC comparison, it would of been better to use the direct output of OSC SAW and OSC SQR? Perhaps the difference between the two waves , one being smoother than the other, is the differences in the filters?
God bless Behringer 🙏🙏 amazing what they are doing, any business ethics aside…
Great Video Starsky, I may get the Crave for the Money seems a no brainer (Just aswell I don't have..brain ).
Can you link 2 craves together and do the random self generating patches/sequences a lot of people were doing on 2 mother 32 ? I always wanted to have a go at that but couldnt afford a grand for 2 moogs.
I ve seen a crave using a Mother32 self generating patch on YT... it worked.
So why not with 2 ? ;)
You can but I think all the cables will be on your way a bit annoying to me. In that matter the moog one has the advantage to be stacked up with another unit :)
Unless you put them next to each other ofcourse
Buttons BUTTONS haha trying playing on an Elektron Click Click Clack Clack hehe...nice video by the way :)
Were those “ghost notes” on Crave from filter self oscillating a bit?
The crave really sounds like a sequential filter!
I gues you can sell stuff for cheap when you have zero R&D costs.
Awesome!
All those clowns who said that the crave is the winner , please feed your ears.
as an owner of both these synths , for me the mother 32 is way better.
Especially at the sound quality - mother 32 feels warmer and stable at any octave and type of sound
I like my crave too ,it’s sounds great after all but when i turns on the mother 32 after using the crave it feels like a whole new level.
Incredible! I love my Crave.
Thanks !!
Good Job!!
Knew they couldn't come up with their own idea
They have plenty of their own synths.
Cool comparison, i am not really interested in the Grave and also the mother 32 is not really on my wanted list atm. Subharmonicon looks much more interessting for me. But i would love to see a video like this about the comparison of the Behringer Edge that should come out soon and the Moog Dfam, i own the DFAM but would not mind to have a second one and a "travel DFAM" with midi. I only fear they go again with the 3340 Oscillator and even when that is for sure not a bad one, it will become hard to deliever the same power over the same frequency range as the dfam does.
I’ll be doing my best to get hold of an edge
@@StarskyCarr nice, would be really interesting how close it becomes. When they released the Boog Model D i made a extra visit at the Thomann music store to test it next to a Minimoog and could was really impressed that it was near impossibel to say only by audio what is what, but there they had the original osc cloned working inside. But since the Neutron they are in love with the 3340 Osc, what is how is said an amazing osc, but not to mimic a Moog
behringer knob markings are easy to read...the silver tops of the moog make it harder to see where the knob is positioned in the video.
Perhaps one of those graphic designers who make overlays for synths could make some for the Mother32. I bought a very nice one for my Behringer Neutron that makes it somewhat resemble a Moog Grandmother. www.heinakroon.net/Colours_20/p5751465_19990495.aspx#images-5
I like the color coding for different synth modules.
@@ConwayBob what? .... un look at the video...i think you're thinking of a different synth.
@@cresshead -- No. I'm only suggesting that these folks who make overlays for Behringer synths (like my Neutron, the Model D, etc.) should also make some overlays for some of the Moog desktop synths like Mother32, DFAM, etc. I actually like the look of Moog's "black" synths, but they're not quite as easy to read as their more colorful cousins, e.g., Sirin, Grandmother, and Matriarch. Not that I particularly like those colors either, but it does make the "components" stand out and the knob settings, in some cases, easier to read.
Hey Hutch, recently picked up a Moog Grandmother. Absolutely love it. Our 4th analog synth , but our first Moog (well, except Animoog), and our first semi-modular. The GM has just been pure bonanza for inspiration. Love it, like next level. Question: How do you think the GM would play with the Crave? In Terms of patchability, as well as overall sound? Like do you think the GM and Crave could have a lot of meaningful cv interaction, producing new sounds and rhythms by sending cv back and forth? Think it would be better with M32? Thanks!
I have been enjoying your videos ever since I got my 1st Behringer synth. One of my friends is considering either getting a Neutron or a Crave- might you do a video comparing those two? It's likely similar to comparing melons to apples, but hey, you are my fave synth master- will you conduct a Crave VS Neutron video? Thanks.
Thanks, glad you're enjoying the channel. I've not got a Neutron, but may get hold of one - it didn't appeal to me as I think I've got it covered in other synths. I buy these myself so tend to only get things that might be a good addition.
@@StarskyCarr Fascinating- Thanks for your candid reply, and I concur.
Great comparison, thanks. Will you do the same thing for the DFAM and the Edge? :-)
Well I do have a DFAM ;)
Great comparison. At 27:14 it is clear the devices are very out of tune from each other. But in other parts of the comparison, they seem in tune. What happened ?
Ha no idea. I’ll have been mucking about with them while making the sequence. I’ll have played around with everything to create the sequence I demo later, which uses a fair bit of modulation. Then come back to the start and demo what I’ve just been doing. I do this to make sure I’m going somewhere useful and not just making noises. But when doing these vids you’re concentrating on so much going on plus distractions... levels, timing, camera batteries, microphone getting in the way, telephones ringing etc etc it’s easy to miss the obvious!