I was about to get the M32, but this comparison open my eyes to get to know, how better is the Craves´s price/value/functionalities relation compared to M32. I admit the Moog brand has some influence in me of respect and admiral (I already own a SubHarmonicon). But your comparison go to the key facts that makes more attractive to consider the Crave. Thank you very much for your review, very informative and well crafted.
I've owned the Crave for a couple months and it is awesome. Always finding something new to do with it. I just love the layout, sit back thrown on some headphones and just see were the patch goes. I also have the Model D, Pro-1 and a Microfreak, but lately the Crave has been eating up most of time. It's just a fun little synth. When you run it through the Korg NTS-1 it really comes alive.
Concerning the pulse width click issue, it only happens when the attack is at zero - if you increase it very slightly the clicks disappear without changing the sound too much
I own 2 craves. Lots of fun with modulation and patches. Also worth mentioning : m32 has longer sequence after updates AFAIK. Patch panel has certain cons too, you cannot stack 2 or 3 synths on one stand and keep cables away from knobs. You need to feed cables from behind the stand, it's not very convenient if you do real-time patching. Moog did panel on the right, because they have more synths in this form factor, so they are easy to patch.
The Crave was the first Behringer synth product I got and in 3 months I haven't been able to update it and get rid of that awful noise whenever I put a rest. I've tried lots of different computers including Mac and Windows and numerous cables and all I get is 'Cloud under maintenance'. I'd prefer a Sysex file any day.
Thanks, great video. I have just got my Crave less than a week ago and already having lots of fun with it. I wish the KB CV were more accurate... cannot tune my LFO other for the lowest one or two octaves...
Congrats with the purchase. Yes, they are very interesting synths. And I also noticed this thing with cv kb. But honestly didn't care too much. At least it works fine with filter
*regarding your english... i think i spent the first few minutes thinking ... "Russian? or Brazilian?" Eventually there was Cyrillic so Russian won, but i still have suspicions.
Just bought a crave for these very reasons - neglecting a USB interface in this year of our Lord 2023, is just a stubborn move by moog. I get that they designed the original, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore usability. the crave is not nearly as aestheticly pleasing as the m32, but you can purchase a new skin/wrap for it and throw new knobs on it, and it looks just as nice. i'm looking forward to the behringer spice (subharmonicon "clone").
I have both synths a couple other important differences, are: You can't change change pattern via midi on the crave (i have put this in as a feature request) The M32 has synced pattern changes, the crave changes instantly only I think the Crave clicking issue may relate to the digital envelope, whereas the M32 is analog. Correct me if i'm wrong. There both cracking synths.
Awesome video.... I Think the click on the crave when in pulse width mode is quite minor. It hasn't ever made me change the position enough to detract from the sound im trying to achieve, and can also be completly solved by applying resonance for some weird reason. Just a couple of notches and it completely goes without any sound change... Also when retuning the two holes for the osc did you find the lfo stayed in tune better?
Updating through .sysex would be very good for any Behringer synths! I'm still sitting with my Neutron non-updated! The support didn't helped. It's some kind of a HW-HW problem. And they doesn't even release .hex files.
I guess you used windows for the update, at least most problems with drivers appear there. Try to find someone around you with mac, you will perform the update on several minutes
@@AntonAnru I have a friend with Mac but he's so "inside himself" that he did forgot to update Neutron when I've gave him to play with it :)) Maybe I should try my old notebook with some Intel CPU... BTW, Behringer's X-serie digital mixers has troubles with X370 chipset... Just mentioning. I'm using XR18 and it's quite tricky to make it to start the audio stream.
crave uses a 3340 vco clone, same as neutron, that has a more Sequential sound, not as smooth as Moog's 3046 chip. That about sums it up: the Crave is not as smooth as M32.
Yes, that's true. But crave is an independent unit by another manufacturer. It must have it's own manual. If not, then the image of the manufacturer stuffers, like they don't care of they users
Man, the lack of velocity expression in the Moog means I'm definitely not getting it. Which is a shame, it looks far prettier, while the more functional and cheaper Crave looks hideous.
there's overlays for the crave and wraps. You can even spraypaint it, it's sturdy enough to take it apart and put it back together. I was lucky, I like orange.
@@couchcamperTM Funny thing, I ended up getting the Mother 32. I found one for an amazing price, around $340 US, and really couldn't say no. After having tried a Crave in the music store, I can say I much prefer the way the Mother 32 feels, especially the "keys".
🔔 Presets for Behringer Crave: antonanru.sellfy.store/behringer/
🎛 Presets for Moog Mother-32: antonanru.sellfy.store/moog/
For the price of the Mother 32 I got the Neutron, Model D and Crave. Now I'm waiting on the Behringer Arp 2600.
Good deal
You can get the Crave and the model d and you still have money left to buy sexy underwear for your wife.....
Классный обзор! Даже на фоне других, уже вышедших, видео на тему сравнения матери и крейва.
Спасибо за объективность и четкую подачу материала.
Спасибо) рад что оказалось полезным
Thx man..this safed me 400,-€ as I ordered the crave after this perfect comparison. Very good reviewer..thumbs up..bro...
I'm glad that helped
Thank you very much! This was informative, clear, helpful and well paced. I hope you will get more exposure. You deserve it!!! Keep up, please!
Thank you
I was about to get the M32, but this comparison open my eyes to get to know, how better is the Craves´s price/value/functionalities relation compared to M32. I admit the Moog brand has some influence in me of respect and admiral (I already own a SubHarmonicon). But your comparison go to the key facts that makes more attractive to consider the Crave. Thank you very much for your review, very informative and well crafted.
i'm glad it was helpful
Excellent travail !
Thanks
I've owned the Crave for a couple months and it is awesome. Always finding something new to do with it. I just love the layout, sit back thrown on some headphones and just see were the patch goes. I also have the Model D, Pro-1 and a Microfreak, but lately the Crave has been eating up most of time. It's just a fun little synth. When you run it through the Korg NTS-1 it really comes alive.
I'm also amazed by the depth of the synth
when you say you run it through the nts-1 you are talking about reverb or something else?
Excellent video and English. I subscribed! Also loved your td-3 / crave video. Very creative sound design.
Thank you) but c'mon, English is my weak point
Concerning the pulse width click issue, it only happens when the attack is at zero - if you increase it very slightly the clicks disappear without changing the sound too much
Yes, but would prefer not having it)
Starsky Carr metions he believes it is a digital envelope in the crave, might it be due to this, that it does sound so harsh on the crave?
Great comparison, thank you!
You are welcome
Great Video. Thank You.
I own 2 craves. Lots of fun with modulation and patches.
Also worth mentioning : m32 has longer sequence after updates AFAIK. Patch panel has certain cons too, you cannot stack 2 or 3 synths on one stand and keep cables away from knobs. You need to feed cables from behind the stand, it's not very convenient if you do real-time patching. Moog did panel on the right, because they have more synths in this form factor, so they are easy to patch.
Thank you! Really good points
own Mother 32. Now I need a Crave :)
And dfam, and edge
Thank you so much for this video. It answers several questions that I had about these synths.
You are welcome
I see your point. Use software when possible. Have fun in the field.
Yes, i prefer software. Not a fan of menu diving and key combinations
Very useful and informative video, thank you!
Welcome
Nice practical comparison, thanks.
Welcome
I can't afford the branded versions, but I have decided to get both the Boog Model D and the Crave.
Good synths anyway
Good video. Thanks.
The Crave was the first Behringer synth product I got and in 3 months I haven't been able to update it and get rid of that awful noise whenever I put a rest. I've tried lots of different computers including Mac and Windows and numerous cables and all I get is 'Cloud under maintenance'. I'd prefer a Sysex file any day.
Sad to hear it. Maybe it's a point to take m32 into account
Thanks, great video. I have just got my Crave less than a week ago and already having lots of fun with it. I wish the KB CV were more accurate... cannot tune my LFO other for the lowest one or two octaves...
Congrats with the purchase. Yes, they are very interesting synths. And I also noticed this thing with cv kb. But honestly didn't care too much. At least it works fine with filter
Good review. Very thoughtful and thorough.
*regarding your english... i think i spent the first few minutes thinking ... "Russian? or Brazilian?" Eventually there was Cyrillic so Russian won, but i still have suspicions.
@@ceounicom yes, Russian) hope the pronounciation didn't distract from the content
Just bought a crave for these very reasons - neglecting a USB interface in this year of our Lord 2023, is just a stubborn move by moog. I get that they designed the original, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore usability. the crave is not nearly as aestheticly pleasing as the m32, but you can purchase a new skin/wrap for it and throw new knobs on it, and it looks just as nice.
i'm looking forward to the behringer spice (subharmonicon "clone").
No usb bothered me at first. But now I'm fine with it. The only disadvantage that still makes me sad is that i can't import/export patterns
I have both synths a couple other important differences, are:
You can't change change pattern via midi on the crave (i have put this in as a feature request)
The M32 has synced pattern changes, the crave changes instantly only
I think the Crave clicking issue may relate to the digital envelope, whereas the M32 is analog. Correct me if i'm wrong.
There both cracking synths.
Yes! Good point about pattern change, thanks
Awesome video....
I Think the click on the crave when in pulse width mode is quite minor. It hasn't ever made me change the position enough to detract from the sound im trying to achieve, and can also be completly solved by applying resonance for some weird reason. Just a couple of notches and it completely goes without any sound change...
Also when retuning the two holes for the osc did you find the lfo stayed in tune better?
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Great video bro 💞
Thanks
I’m wondering if the Crave has clock divider when midi in is connected.
And if crave has the ability,How is the division like?
Same as M 32?
on crave it's possible to change subdivision when it receives midi clock
@@AntonAnru Thanks!!
You're welcome
Очень хорошая работа, как всегда
Спасибо
Excellent information thanks.
I am a Moog man myself I will receive Mother 32 with open arms.
totally understand you
Updating through .sysex would be very good for any Behringer synths! I'm still sitting with my Neutron non-updated! The support didn't helped. It's some kind of a HW-HW problem. And they doesn't even release .hex files.
I guess you used windows for the update, at least most problems with drivers appear there. Try to find someone around you with mac, you will perform the update on several minutes
@@AntonAnru I have a friend with Mac but he's so "inside himself" that he did forgot to update Neutron when I've gave him to play with it :))
Maybe I should try my old notebook with some Intel CPU...
BTW, Behringer's X-serie digital mixers has troubles with X370 chipset... Just mentioning. I'm using XR18 and it's quite tricky to make it to start the audio stream.
crave uses a 3340 vco clone, same as neutron, that has a more Sequential sound, not as smooth as Moog's 3046 chip. That about sums it up: the Crave is not as smooth as M32.
Thank you for the information
But then if you have the Crave you could just use the Moog manual lol
Yes, that's true. But crave is an independent unit by another manufacturer. It must have it's own manual. If not, then the image of the manufacturer stuffers, like they don't care of they users
Man, the lack of velocity expression in the Moog means I'm definitely not getting it. Which is a shame, it looks far prettier, while the more functional and cheaper Crave looks hideous.
there's overlays for the crave and wraps. You can even spraypaint it, it's sturdy enough to take it apart and put it back together. I was lucky, I like orange.
@@couchcamperTM Funny thing, I ended up getting the Mother 32. I found one for an amazing price, around $340 US, and really couldn't say no. After having tried a Crave in the music store, I can say I much prefer the way the Mother 32 feels, especially the "keys".
Лайк, но как же печально, что на английском (((
можно авто субтитры с переводом включить
@@AntonAnru ехехе, пробовал, там такая ересь получается.