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How Volition Killed Themselves & Saints Row
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2024
- Deep dive into how Volition Killed Themselves and the Saints Row franchise.
Starting out in 2006, with their original Saints Row game, then Saints Row 2 which fought directly against Grand Theft Auto IV, the change of direction in 2011's Saints Row 3 along with the misguided path of Saints Row 4. From there they would have another try with Saints Row Gat Out of Hell before leaving the franchise behind to create Agents of Mayhem, while GTA Online took over their formula. And ending it with their underdeveloped and underperforming Saints Row Reboot, which tanked so bad it killed the series and anyone in any way linked to it. How that happened and what it means for the future, find out now!
Volition will always be known to have one of the biggest audience and community backlashes in gaming history, This is what happens when a company completely disregards their actual fans
And nobody in the industry will lear about it
@@renejosu
That's the worst part about it
"Haters Gonna Hate" will go down in history as their Bud Light moment.
Saints Row reboot debuted in the same year as She Hulk: Attorney at Law and both are among the most woke, hateful, talentless projects ever put forth in their medium.
They've always done it they just didn't have social media to expose them back they did things people didn't want after the first saints row there's was
Don't feel bad, they fell from their own volition.
I will never forget being called a terrorist because I didn't like the Saints Row Reboot.
They want us to like their trash games that make women look unattractive and unlikeable with men dumb, weak, evil, or a combination of the three, then they scream at us when we reject it and go toe Eastern games.
Why are there so many people with that same account?
There's one in The Professional's comment section and now another one here.
Man I see you everywhere online.
@@MarvinPowell1 How can he take our waifus if he's not everywhere?
Volition didn't just shoot themselves in the foot, they aimed straight for their femoral artery.
in realation what has happened...
they loaded the shotgun and twice checked if it's loaded
then they blew their head off
With a femoral artillery.
The head of Volition gave himself a lead injection
You want to bet it's actually Sweet Baby Inc who wrote those tweets?
SBI helped them aim too.
If there's is an important lesson I learned in my life is to NEVER say something like "It couldn't get any worse than this"
lol see I learned that lesson from Timmy Turner every time “what could possibly go wrong” they went thru 😭😭😭 I was like Timmy stfu what happened the last 20 episodes you said that see what you did you see now look 🤣
The biggest tragedy of the reboot is orginally the devs pitched the idea of going back to its roots and making a crime game about real gangsters. And it was the higher ups who decided that they should make a game appealing to "modern audiances" and make a game all about friendship! Because thats what everyone wanted obviously.
I can see an origin story where the Saints are founded by a principle of loyalty or "friendship." Sad that message felt put in last place after quirky characters, joss weadon humor and all else.
If modern audiences leads to the shutdown of your decades old studio, I'll kindly flip the finger to the modern audience and make it for the "old" audience instead and still stay in business.
@@VinnyUnion, I think the real issue is that the higher-ups are so out of touch that they don't actually understand what modern audiences want. I was too young to get into Saints Row in its heyday, but the concept has always been incredibly interesting, and I've since gone back and played two and three (I can't find One anywhere). I can see an alternate setting where the Saints get their start because a group of friends stuck in the hood get sick of having no power to fight back against the established gangs, but whoever mandated the change clearly doesn't understand the kind of circumstances that cause people, even otherwise good people, to engage in organized crime in the first place, so they did a 'The Hangover' style comedy plot, and fucked the PR response after.
@@afluffydeathclaw2644 i was too young-ish for SR2 and the only thing I was able to comprehend was the pocket bike mod or cheat which is the only thing I remember about SRII.
Well, what do you have ever to lose by targeting old audiences of previous products? You only have to lose for being boring or generic but with new things you can either fail or win, nothing in between.
@@VinnyUnion Right, I was just saying that I feel like it didn't actually have to be a tradeoff. You could get both, but that would require understanding what either audience wanted to begin with.
Saints Row: Gets caught in the crossfire between 2 gangs and gets recruited by the Saints to stop and defeat the other gangs.
Saints Row 2: You were betrayed and your gang got disbanded, revive the Saints and get Payback.
Saints Row 3: Bank Heist gone wrong, brought to Steelport and getting payback for Gat while taking over Steelport.
Saints Row 4: Became the President of USA, aliens kidnap you and gang and blow up Earth, time for payback.
Saints Row Reboot: Student Loan..........................
i think the reason millennials are such bad writers is because the only thing they've experienced in life student loan debt...
crazy how millennial writing killed a franchise & an entire studio 💀
You missed the whole point of Julius movement.
He was trying to someone save entire Stilwater out of gang shootouts and other criminal things.
Playa stood in and Julius believed in him.
But unfortunately all Playa did was not changing anything than everyone being united together and still has crime on the streets.
Stilwater was calm for a while then new gangs stepped in to claim and lead the territories.
Playa wouldn't step out and everyone too if he demanded from him to do it in SR1 which is why he did choose betrayal with others knowing and agreed but not telling to Playa because he knew he wouldn't accept the offer.
Everyone was living their lives.
@@xXSilentAgent47Xx
And guess what? Julius is a hypocrite as he is the guy who lead the Saint Rows himself in the first game before the betrayal. If he didn’t betray them, then it is likely he coulda reform the Saint Rows after its disbandment.
Also look up “Why did Julius betrayed You?” by the Professional for his opinion support by what was shown in game.
He actively encouraged the Saint Row, his gang, to do crimes.
@@starkillerjedi5486 "Why did Julius betray-" Because the MOCAP team fucked up
"If you don't like it, don't play it." Well.. We didn't like it... didn't play it ... And now your company is dead. Who was in the wrong now. 😂
I always thought gat out of hell was dlc 😭😭 never would’ve guessed it a whole separate game
I got it free for buying Saint's Row 4.
Achtually, technically it's a standalone, the in between a full game and a dlc, just like infamous blood festival
@kamhani7394 Actually I got it for free via Xbox Gold.
the line between stand alone DLC and a new game is kinda murky
@@brkenppt2222 blood dragon also
I once mowed lawns all week to buy a copy of saints row 1. I then sold about 7 games back to gamestop to get the copy of saints row 2 because I feel in love with the franchise.
I installed the reboot and uninstalled in within the tutorial. The game mange to suck the saints row fan out of me before it came out.
You know the people in charge of the reboot are gonna be crying while chugging buckets of frozen yogurt like a girl after a break up when they gta 6 launches
I actually love the 1st and 2nd games for their story. In the 1st game Julius founded the Third Street Saints. The saint in the name implies they weren't supposed to be an evil gang but rather anti-hero like. Julius hated the drugs, prostitution and overall chaos in the city. He also was not all kill civilians and stuff just gangs and crooked cops. speech he gave at the beginning of the 1st game implied this. He was willing to be a gang leader to get rid of all the gangs in the city. However the Saints and playa themselves became just as bad as the other gangs in the end so, Julius kills playa at the end of the 1st game therefore ridding all gangs from the city. The story carries over to the next game pretty much where we left off with all the characters either dead or doing their own thing, including Julius. Playa wakes up from their coma, everything completely fresh in their mind from the past game and now has to rebuild their gang back up. Taking the city back from new gangs and taking revenge on Julius even, if you beat the 2nd game and got the secret ending. Julius explains why he betrayed playa bc of the reasons I stated above, to rid all gangs, which means you got to get rid of the Third Street Saints as well.
I think it's got a good story imo but is overlooked.
To be honest, there is a bit of that sentiment in the reboot. A fair amount of the desire for them to start the saints is because of the gangs like the idols and Sergio's people coming after them and fucking them over, but the studio fucked it up by trying to do two things at once.
"a literal shit stain on the pages of gaming history"
you nailed it bro
I like playing 3 and 4 i'll die on that hill.
But the reboot was so bad, it made gat out of hell look good.
2 is the best in the whole series, I'll die on _THAT_ hill.
I love SR2, but SR3 & 4 are rather fun to play. After I beat both 3&4 I now replay just to goof off and do strange challenges and such...like seeing how many times I can race back and forth on the main street across the islands in a Semi and doing bootlegger reverses until the tires blow out or I crash and total the truck(while having the cops and rival gangs chasing).
@@unnamed715 and I'll die on the hill that 3 was the most IMPORTANT game in the saint's row series. The game that managed to get Saints Row out of "silly GTA", the gross revenue of both games is evident enough of that
@@uperpie SA III road on the coattails of 2, it was an insane downgrade on everything except the gameplay, which is why 4 sold like shit in comparison.
I really liked Saints Row 3. I had a fun time with it.
Seems like the biggest hater of saints row was volition themselves.
Much as I hate to say it, good riddance. I enjoy the first three saints and admittedly was excited for the newest one at first but then after the first trailer dropped they started dumping on fans and I just bowed out and got to watch the train crash
"oh no, who could have guessed that it you dump on your fambase you won't sell enough"
I do not exaggerate when I say the say, it keeps me up at night knowing how Saints Row was completely fumbled, mishandled and completely butchered since Saints Row 3 onwards to the Reboot. They had a simple job and that was to tell a gritty, underworld gang story, but instead we have college kids griping about student loans and inclusiveness. You can not make it up, this was what the Saints in Saints Row 1-4 made fun of on the street, and Volition forced us to play as them. I made several videos on this and I can STILL go on and on about this for weeks without fail but I genuinely feel a great distain towards Deep Silver and Volition. I really do. Saints Row is gone for good this time and that's the said truth about this whole reboot.
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 cannot stress this exact thing enough like hoooow even loyal fans had way better bad ass ideas to contribute that could carry over for decades had they not put their own foot in their mouths smh
What’s good, homie! Glad to see ya!
Good thing you’re not a Star Wars fan too
@@wuitdew36 In a modern world where the quality of sequels is expected, they always get butchered for some reason. I CAN'T wait to see another of my favorite franchises murdered by people who don't love or even know the franchise to begin with!
They didn't make a continuation, they unwittingly made a parody.
as always the own company is what kills their own games, not another studio
Well, as you said., Voilition killed themselves. We told them time and time again what kind of game we wanted and they never listened,
Honestly it's a total shame the series never really went anywhere after SR2, I never enjoyed 3 or 4 so this reboot is just a total laughing stock to an extent even larger than that of Agents of Mayhem.
Almost like we can't have nice things. Or at least, very sparsely
it's a hilarious play on what he said in the video "how did the series went in such wrong direction" after it went in wrong direction XD
Lmao how did not enjoyed 3 and4 when it's basically the 2nd game but a lot, lot better? SR fans not meat riding bad games challenge (IMPOSSIBLE) 100% FAIL
@@Bombastic_daioh
Only Zoomers who played the game as their first entry into the franchise when they were kids, like Saints Row the Third the most. Anyone currently over the age of 26 _did not_ like Saints Row the Third beyond its gameplay, cause its story sucked. It's an age/generation gap thing.
@@MarvinPowell1 And as many people didn't enjoy the first two games because objectively they are mediocre slop that have aged terribly. Age has nothing to do with this lmao stop being a boring boomer by bringing generational gaps as a W against the other games because it's not working on your favour at all.
We can agree that the story kinda sucked but guess what? The 1st and 2nd story were over the top bonkers and overy dramatic as the previous games so really what makes the other's game story so different and bad when all the games suffered from the same thing?
Literally nothing, so really you have no argument here.
“Haters gonna hate 🕺”
"I'm getting fired🕺"
Volition is basically that one meme of the guy riding a bicycle, sticking a stick into his front spokes, falling down, holding his knee and blaming something else
"Haters gonna Hate" proceeds to Bankrupt, best joke ever
Saints Row 1&2 were a blend of seriousness and goofy moments. Also, neither of em showed gang violence as just cool and awesome. They showed the brutality of the world. For example, during one of the main missions, Playa uses a female bartender as a human shield without remorse. Saying the games prided themselves on their silly factor is only 50% of what they were. Saints Row 3&4 showed the decay of what made the first games great.
It didn't even hit me that hard, but I never forget that bike dragging scene in Saint's Row 2, the gameplay was ass compared to Saints Row the Third, but the story of Saints Row 2 was peak honestly.
*gets up for the 2nd time*
The serious moments were badass: Texas Funeral on a random prick, mercy killings, making fun of your soon to be dead rivals.
@@BlueEyedVibeChecker bike dragging scene? The only dragging 'scene' I can remember in SR2 is Red Asphalt and that was using a truck not a bike.
3 and 4 are the better games, what are you talking about?
The worst part is what they did with Mike Wattson's (Idol Ninja) wish for the Saints Row 2 PC patch. That man was literally working on it while he was dying. Now that he is gone, we will probably never get it.
I hope I'm wrong.
It's even worse than "not granting his wish" they outright fucked him out of actually developing and releasing it.
Watch Flippy's video about the whole debacle.
Volition is a good example of something all companies should know, without an audience they are nothing. If you choose to antagonize your customers and disrespect both their hard earned money and their limited time on this world, then you are doing what I like to call a "financial suicide". Keep a healthy communication with the community, Devolver digital and especially Massive Monster is a perfect example of how vital communication with the community is as they made a massive success.
I'd take alien invasions and fighting Lucifer any day over whatever fucknut nonsense 2022 Saint's Row is.
We need more gta clones
That dumbass term is the reason we don’t get them anymore
agreed cuz GTA is not the same no more.
gta is getting w 0 k e too
@@dingickso4098 How so? please elaborate
@@queperocomom3310 He's talking about the Latina woman
What Volition did when it came to crapping on the fans is exactly what Disney is doing now when it comes to The Acolyte.
Shit, Star wars fans have been getting fucked sideways till Tuesday since TFA. TLJ was just more blatant and everything since has been disney just puppeting around it's rotten corpse.
Honestly, I don't know why people say Battlefield Hardline was bad. I fucking loved that one.
0:17 OSCAR WORTHY 🫡
i think they still could have done this style of game justice with normal uni students going gangster to pay off debts- just do it breaking bad style or something lol
Yeah they call us Saint Row notzi's & terrorist because we have honest opinions about the Saints Row Reboot. But when the game severely flopped we the ones had the last laugh cuz they wasn't willing to compromise to us SR fans wishlist. So they had to closed shop....
😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
Finally, after 2 weeks my thirst for a WildGold video is over
Saints Row 3 was the beginning of the end. I seriously believe Rockstar payed off The higher ups at Volition to sabotage the franchise. Because they're choices were down right stupid from that game onwards. People ALWAYS like to claim it was the best because it sold the most. When in reality it sold the most because SR2 was AMAZING. Everyone pre-ordered SR3 because of how good SR2 was. That's it!
Saints row 3 is also a good game! It's very epic and very fun!
Disagree. I only played 3 in my life and before that, i never knew what's so special about the first half of the franchise. The Third attracted me with it's wackiness, vulgarity and territory control, as they were UA-camrs' key selling points at the time.
@@user-sv6hv6ym1d I respectfully disagree. In comparison to the first two,3 is absolutely trash. The story,the writing,how short the game is,lifeless dull city with lifeless dull NPC's. Everything about it pales in comparison to the first two. Saints Row 3 is not a Saints Row game
@@sanderhackerhd8369 if SR3 didn't have Saints Row in the title,then yes it's a good game. As a Saints Row game,it's trash
@@BeasleySays OK, but is it that bad? I might not know, but i heard the 1st game is lacking 2nd's features as well.
And what about the style? It is the Saints, they are overpowered narcissists who wish to live the gangster's paradise. In Saint's Row, I played as a parasite, ruining and taking control over a semi-peaceful city one gang at a time. I got that feeling of chaos through news reports. It can't get much more "Saint" than that. And as respectfully you disagree, that last bit upsets me.
But actually, my main point in the first comment wasn't about how bad SRTT is, but about why exactly it's so popular. I might be a statistical minority, but I got the wind through some funky and edgy UA-camrs. Wish to know more opinions.
WILDGOLD IS UNDERATTED AS HELL🔥
The Reboot makes Saints Row IV look like the greatest finale for the entire franchise. It makes Gat out of Hell look more respectful than what we got.
I admit, you got me when you tried to say the Saints Row reboot wasn't bad, at first. I almost downvoted.
I have been there with Saints Row since the first game and it was what convinced me to buy an Xbox 360 after I had been a Nintendo fan my whole life, up to that point. It was my favorite console game series of all time and I was there even for Saints Row the Third's midnight release in purple when I was younger. And despite it being the weakest game in the franchise with plenty of issues, I can still go back and play Saints Row the Third on Steam. That reboot was a disaster from start to finish, and I saw all the ball-lickers in the comments trying to defend the game and claim "you need to buy it first before you can judge it." I desperately wanted Volition to course-correct, but was called a terrorist and hater for it by DeadlySteph the community manager for Deep Silver.
So I say I relish in the fact that Volition got shut down, even if some say DeepSilver is the reason the game went woke and has the worst gaming characters of all time in it. For as bad as Bethesda, Naughty Dog, EA, Activision-Blizzard, and now Insomniac Games have been, even none of them deserved their fate more than Volition. I'll always remember them for what they did, but I won't mourn their loss. They deserved this after that Saints Row reboot.
Love your essay style videos keep up the great work
wildgold repping the crips
Dont forget agents of mayhem was supposed to be a saints row game as well until they themselves realized "yeah no theres no convincing them that its still saints row" and took the saints row name off of it. 😂😂
At least AOM is set in the same universe just a different timeline, at least it has the fun 80s cartoon feel to it, least it had likable and returning characters like Kinzie, Johnny Gat, Pierce, and Oleg. The Reboot lacked anything remotely Saints Row.
You deserved that shoutout from onion butter
Bro i respect that guy so much just for the guts he has to do cosplays in his vids while having good quality editing
I no bored no more
I need to open disctionary
I grew up playing saints row 1 and 2 loving them, I loved the zombies minigame in it too, it was beyond fun. Then 3 felt ok, just not as good, 4 had a great start but fell flat, then, with SBI's help, the 5th one was beyond awful and Volition deserved to be collapsed.
I'll miss saints row, I hope one day, someone will pick it up and go back to 1 and 2.
SBI have waaaaaay less power than you think they do. They're a consulting firm, not a government.
@MustacheOnMars9 You mean like how Alan Wake 2 developers thanked SBI for the story writing and for that side character that got a lot of gameplay, or how GOW ragnarok thanked them for the character writing, and how 1 of their founders said to meet with the marketing team and scare them with the thought of backlash if they aren't picked or that they have a mountain of customers that are all saying the same thing?
Don't get me wrong, SBI doesn't have a lot of power, but are given a lot of oversight and control from the companies of which the companies are 100% responsible, but they are jumping into this crap because of Larry Fink with Blackrock which has a mountain of investments of which is pushing ESG into the companies.
You should look more into it.
TLDR: SBI doesn't have a lot of control, but Blackrock (a massive investment firm) is pushing companies to use SBI and related consultants to get that ESG cash money.
@@MustacheOnMars9 They're given a lot of oversight on companies.
@@MustacheOnMars9SBI are full of garbage people
Imagine being named Larry Fink
That's wild, saints row 1 came out on my 6th birthday. That's honestly pretty cool to know.
2000's babies represent!✊🏾
@@Librolegend77 hell yeah man
DAMN! Now I feel old! I was 26 years-old when Saints Row came out on the Xbox in 2006 lol!
@@Travybear1989 How was life back in 2006? Was it as happy as I remembered it being? It's a weird question I know lmao.
@@SkyWarrior100 Social media wasn't nearly as big as it is now , people didn't spend nearly as much time on their phones, houses were less than half as expensive, you could get a Big Mac meal for under $6, wages were around 20% lower but the cost of living was around 70% lower and a dollar went further.
IN 2004 I bought my first home for about $45,000 and now that home is valued at around $95,000.
Overall, things were just much simpler than they are now and you could easily get by only working 40 hours a week and still have plenty of money left over.
Things weren't significantly easier but they were half as difficult I'd say. Every decade inflation has went up which has lowered the average persons quality of life.
I have two children who are 17 and 15 years-old and I honestly feel sorry for them and had I known that we'd be in such a bad situation these days I'd have likely not had them or I would have just not sold my two homes and rented them instead until my children turned 18 and I could have given them the homes.
In only a few years they will be moving out on their own and things are going to be tough for them.
Sorry if I sound hopeless, it just sucks knowing what once was and what is the case now.
I highly suggest building your credit and somehow purchasing a small home because the last thing you want to do is end up in an apartment (basically a jail cell) or renting to pay off somebody else's house for them. Rent is generally twice as expensive as a mortgage payment on a loan.
Not sure if that is 100% the case these days though as interest rates are probably triple what they were 20 years ago, especially if you don't have any credit.
Also, if you lack credit you will need a co-signer and you have to be very careful who you use and know they will not betray you or move in with you if there life goes downhill.
My parents co-signed for my second house I purchased in 2013 after paying off and selling my first, I figured I could trust them because they were fair to me on my first mortgage.
Well... my parents were aging and their health went downhill so they moved in with my wife, I, and our kids a few years into the mortgage and despite telling me they were just staying until they could get another place they never left. They ended up taking over the payments despite me putting in over $25,000 towards the principal and after a lot of arguments my wife moved out which caused me and our kids to move out as well.
This effectively made us homeless and caused us to end up in a rental until my wife built up her credit so she could get a mortgage for us (I couldn't because my name was on the house my parents "stole" and I refused to take it off).
So yep, just be very careful with your money because your generation is living on hard mode you could say and once you get stuck paying a fortune in rent every month it's extremely hard to get out of the hole and you'll be stuck living paycheck to paycheck and a single emergency can ruin you.
Gat out of hell took me barely 7 hours to beat. And that was with me completing everything. It was a dlc that had zero reason for me to replay. Ntm it was both that, and made to get people interested in their multiplayer game that was coming out, agents of chaos.
They needed a shitty reason to "reboot" the damn universe because somehow, God has the power to reset everything but ONLY after some homicidal gangster kicked Satan in the nuts? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
It basically was just a DLC, that's why it was only $25 at the time. It was not meant for anyone who didn't already play SR4. I enjoyed it for what it was, cause I didn't expect much from it.
The worst thing is that they had everything to make a banger game.
GTA 5 had released eons ago with GTA 6 nowhere close to releasing, people were starved for this type of game, there was no competition pretty much, Saints Row Gat Out of Hell had the perfect ending to reboot the series, there were old fans begging for a return to base, new people begging for an open world crime game, they could have released something amazing and stand on it's own without having to compete with anyone else but they had to pick the corporate brainrot way of releasing "modern relatable" garbage
Its almost like when you spit on your fans in favor of an audience that was never going to buy your product in the first place it goes horribly wrong
Really enjoying this new editing , it’s quite fun :)
Hey, just wanted to leave a comment on how I really like the effort you put into these interesting documentaries and costumes for roleplay!
I think you are trashing volition a little too hard. They actually did something incredible with the new Saint Row, let me explain:
Saints Row has had a divided fandom since SR3. There were the fans that like SR1 and SR2 more because it was wacky but still grounded focused on the gang stuff. And there were fans that like SR3 and SR4 more because the devs obviously said "Ah fuck it, lets just have fun" and the games were completely over the top and satirical. (Im more of the second one, I loved SR3, made me laugh like nothing).
When the new SR game was announced I thought to myself "I wonder what are they going to do, will they return to the roots of 1 and 2, or will they go completely crazy like 3 and 4".
There was no way things could go wrong, you were going to sold games no matter what you did.
But volition did the ABSOLUTELY GENIUS idea of not appeal to any of them and insult and criticize fans who expressed their discontent with how the game looked!. It really takes a special kind of idiot to do something as incredible as that.
"Dont like the game? Dont buy it" They said, and, well, no one did.
Good riddance and goodbye.
The characters talk like they just watched an Hasanabi stream and think they're the smartest person in the room
Seriously this is what the writers think is relatable then I hope they never write again
The sad thing is, those parasites are infesting other studios with their bullshit. DEI and ESG are what killed studios quicker than EA's acquisitions.
This video is the best one yet. I wish you the best of luck with this new direction of your channel. 💜⚜
Saints Row 1 never came out on PS3 what are you on about...
The fourth game was really fun on it's own, but I agree that it is horrible when compared to it's origins, we wanted a crime ridden city filled with over the top humor and gang violence but got alien invasions and super powers instead
Banger video WG
20:22
Me: Now hold on, hes not actually gonna defend this, is he?!
20:34
Okay he had me in the first half, not gonna lie
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite video game channels
Who would've thought that creating some unlikeable and annoying characters that literally no-one can relate to would go so wrong? 🤔 lol
These vids are great 😊
I think one good thing came out of the SR reboot, that being that it made me (and im sure some others) interested in the series. I had never played a SR game in my life, but a couple months after the reboot came out, I saw all the videos being made on it, and it made me curious about the series. I bought SR2 and 3 (I couldn't play 1 because I only had a PC, but i made sure to go back and play it on xbox a couple months ago), and holy sh*t I loved it. I was a massive GTA fan and never even considered SR, I knew very little about it, but SR2 was all my favorite aspects of an open-world crime game in one. The gang-warfare aspect was insanely intriguing. The gameplay was fun and entertaining, and most importantly of all, the characters and story were pure gold! After 100%, completing SR2, I moved on to 3, I played the remastered version on PC and thought the graphics were pretty nice for a remaster, but noticed that it didnt seem to do much else. But i found it to be pretty good. I enjoyed the return of some of my favorite characters (except them killing Johnny literally 10 minutes into the game. That was VERY disappointing.) I enjoyed the gameplay and loved the melee finishers, I also enjoyed all of the side content. The story started out interesting enough, the section where you take the Morningstar mansion and turn it into a Saints HQ while listening to Power was immaculate. I thought the enemy gangs were neat, and the Morningstar seemed formidable... that all changed when I took out the Morningstars HQ ALMOST F*CKING IMMEDIATELY! I was beyond confused, and that feeling only increased as the game continued, but I was having fun. I took out each gang piece by piece and wiped them all off the map. I got to the end and decided to save Shaundi (even tho I like her character way more in SR2), and that mission was pretty nice. But I had reached this point insanely fast. The game had wack pacing. I thought Gangstas in Space was stupid, and it made me question if everything in SR was just a stupid movie! I mean, seriously, what were they thinking with that? After beating SR3 i decided to get SR4 through less than legal methods I cant mention on YT (Argh matey!) I actually enjoyed SR4 a bit, after everything my Playa/boss had been through, and the ending of SR3, I thought it was funny and cool to see him as the President, and I was willing to tolerate the goofiness. I accepted that this wasn't really SR anymore, but i had fun. I also beat Gat out of Hell, but i dont think i need to explain that game, its pm just more of SR4. And AOM, which i played for a few hrs and gave up on. I never considered even playing the reboot. it's not worth thinking about to me. Lastly, as i mentioned earlier, I played SR1 a while ago, and it reminded me of how different it and SR2 are from the future games. If i had to rank them, i would say SR1 and 2 are amazing games, 3 is alright, 4 and gat out of hell are fun but not good at all. Oh, and the reboot, i didn't have to play that game to know it's one of the worst games to ever exist... also, (if you've read this long comment), great video! Liked and subbed!
1 n 2 are top tier gaming 3 and 4 is fastfood gaming woth 4 being the bit more pricey but overall higher quality junk that you may feel dirty you wasted time playing but will still enjoy. 3 just makes you feel dirty
Love these new videos.
The costume design is great!
Can we have a nose reveal?
From what I understand rockstar has plans of going down the same route with GTA 6. It’s funny because it’s good to learn from your own mistakes, but it’s better to learn from other peoples mistakes.
I loved BF: Hardline. The cops & robbers idea was pretty fun and fresh at the time.
Finally hair reveal!
Saints row 3 was absolute gas then it went all downhill starting with 4
Sr3 is the downfall
It definitely all started with 3, even tho the game isn't bad it led to 4 and the rest
@@DevourOfSins No because SR3 is actually good it's also the first SR to truly stand on it's own
SR1 and SR2 are good but ultimately are in GTAs Shadow.
I gladly enjoyed your video, very well edited and documented.
This is shame that Volition has taken down after celebrating 30th Anniversary.
I'll put Deep Silver to blame for killing Saints Row and Volition by forcing them to change a story entirely for "modern audience" and being a response of "Haters gonna hate" fiasco.
Honestly, I played all Saints Row games and best one in my opinion is SR2 of course for story, tone, customization and etc. Saints Row The Third and 4 is beginning of downfall but still enjoyable experience because of gameplay, Saints Row Reboot has nothing at all than cringe.
If publisher actually cared about fans than just making money (IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE), we could get a Saints Row 2 PC Patch.
So glad your video was recommended! Rarely do I see a creator exude such style and class as you do! Love your accent as well and looking good in all the various costumes!
Saints Row 2 was my introduction, and as someone who played GTA SA before it, in my mind the two games were always very distinct. Perhaps because SR2 has more goofy moments, the morbid scenes shocked me a lot more. I remember enjoying SR3 after it came out, but I honestly struggle to remember if I ever finished it or not. Never played any games after that, the moment I learned there were aliens and such in IV my interest was immediately snuffed out.
When it came out, I had no idea the Reboot was even a thing, and I could only shake my head seeing what it was. Recently I played SR2 again, and I had so much fun, just like in the past. Thank you for this quality video! It was interesting to put the development of GTA and SR into perspective. I was not aware of the timeline of the releases.
Probably I have just rose tinted glasses, but I thought SR3 and 4 were pretty fun. I can imagine people may not like their wackiness, but I thought they were some light-hearted bullcrap you could enjoy with some friends in a nice open world map with quite some funny elements and overall good gameplay.
With that out of the way, the reboot, in my opinion, alongside the various technical issues, takes probably the worst of all games and it's really trashy.
They should have gone the GTA's way for the reboot.
Good video. And you sir have earned my subscription 🙌
It should be ILLEGAL to be this early... but its not so don't sue me
from drug gang war game into alien invasion like what the hell this game about 😂
This is what we called flying too close to the sun...
Loving the new cotent, keep up the good work.
This was an excellent video ty so much for a half hour of entertainment. I cant wait to see more.
This video started as something goofy but it adressed the core problems of the franchise very well. Good review.
" game that cry and moans about evils of capitalism. while selling 3 dollar skin packs and a full priced game" that hits the spot!
They had a golden opportunity to go back to the basics of what worked in the first two and they totally squandered it in the worst way possible
Man, when I tried that Saints Row reboot, I felt so stupid. The Main character is working for a high paying special ops group but quits because they don't like their boss. Cmon...
Saints Row has always been my favorite game series, and I actually really enjoyed the reboot (other than the horrible story and characters) and it pains me that it could definitely be the end of SR. Sucks even more to hear that supposedly Volition was trying to give us exactly what we were asking for and a SR2 meets SR3, but we’re forced to take it in the direction they went because of their parent company. Great video man🔥
just found your channel and i really love it! you put so much passion in your projects and the videos are entertaining to watch! keep up the good work!!🤙
Absolutely LOVE how the last saints row game showed which reviewers are getting paid extra to write good reviews about games
I loved saints row 3 tbh. It was on the line sure. But damn what followed was trash
This is really good content.
It's great to see a well-put presentation about the evolution of games, franchises and studios, see how they rise and fall, what was done right, what was done wrong and what could have been done differently.
If you have any interest in fighting games, you could try making a video about the evolution of Street Fighter 5: How it went from an absolutely awful release to an actually beloved fighting game... And how that redemption made possible the massive success that is Street Fighter 6.
Another possibility is the Fall Out series, which is pretty topical right now due to the release of the live action TV series... Oh, boy... There's a lot to talk about that one! Especially when it comes to the disaster that was Fall Out 76, where seemingly everything even remotely related to the game seemed to fail.
I loved 3. Never tried the reboot.
3 gave us Kenzie, which is a good thing
I'd straight up say Saints Row 3 was better than 2 and the height of the franchise.
One of my favorite things about Saints Row 2 was being able to re-watch cutscenes, while using my current looks
Another amazing video
I agree with the majority of what you're saying, but grandtheft auto online would be a terrible Saints row game Because you didn't have to pay $10 to do.Main missions or grind hundreds of hours
You forgot about Agents of Mayhem. Lucky man.
Still makes me so mad ppl always refer to it as a GTA clone 😂
That's why no one tries anymore, being branded a "GTA clone" and not even getting a chance to be your own thing kinda kills any motivation knowing you'll go down as a one and done clone of a big game you get constantly compared to because a sandbox with guns must be a GTA clone.
It's still funny how all they had to do was make a good original Saints Row game.
You know I understand why a lot of people didn't like the reboot but I kind of enjoyed it 😊
But I'm sure if it wasn't tied to the Saints Row name it may have done a bit better but who knows
was never a gta clone was better than gta
I would be lying if i said i was always following saints row all the way back in the 2000s. I came very late into the saints row party here in 2019 with saints row 4.
After playing saints row 4, i genuinely had a good time with this game. The characters, the humor and dialogue was so fun..
Then i bought saints row 2 in 2020 and man can i just say, i became a huge fan after this. The story, the gang culture, the characters like gat, shaundi, pierce, troy and Carlos; the customization, the map of stillwater (and it's with one L Bich), the side content, etc... All were so impressive especially coming from 2008 here. Saints row 2 was the game the solidified me as a saints row fan and man i delved deeper into the saints row hole and discovered many awesome content creators like flippy, Rpg gameplay and Mrsaintsgodzilla21.
So when that reboot poster came, i was so hyped as to finally see my favourite franchise get rebooted and finally go back to being about gang culture and hopefully reunite the fans again.... Oh boy was I wrong.
I won't divulge deeper as what you said about the reboot Is exactly some of what i think about the reboot. That game officially made me embarrassed of the franchise. Rip saints row. I missed when that franchise was good.
Your video was awesome homie. Really well. Done.
Liked the narration of the games franchise as a whole.. ♥ 🐀
Alright, I haven’t seen the whole video (and to be honest this comment will probably not be seen by everyone but screw it) but there’s something I just HAVE to mention.
Deep Silver were responsible for the way the Reboot was. Volition originally wanted to make a Reboot that was a mix between Saints Row 2 and Saints Row 3, (a Saints Row 2.5 if you will) but Deep Silver turned it down and we got this instead.
A friend of mine came up with an idea. What if the SR reboot started off with your character being captured by Dex? You wake up from a simulator located in an Ultor lab stating that SR 3 and 4 were all a dream, the gang is on the run, and you make another comeback to take down Dex. That was just an idea... which was obviously not used 😅
I disagree with you on basically every point about *_Saint's Row 3_* .
It sounds like a very biased take, trying to come up with reasons it sold well.
Yes the game took a big step in a more wacky direction,
but that was the natural evolution of the series.
You said it could never go back to regular gang violence after that,
and you're right, but regular gang violence isn't what players wanted from SR.
You're better to move forward than keep rehashing the same thing.
So 2 was more wacky than 1, and 3 was more wacky than 2.
That's just he way the series was always going, and the way it had to go.
And you complain it's not grounded enough,
then complain that the most popular character died at the start.
Don't you realise that you're contradicting yourself?
The whole reason Johnny died is to offset the wackiness.
To make players feel that no matter how crazy things get in the game,
it does actually matter, and you can actually permanently die; there are actually stakes.
His sacrifice and absense from the start of the game made everything feel way more impactful.
It was a genius move. Instead of being pissed off, players actually missed him.
In exactly the same way the other characters did. A genuine feeling. That's solid gold for game writing.
The reason 3 sold so well is *_because it's actually fun_* .
Easily the most intense moment-to-moment fun of the entire series.
And not the BS fake convince-yourself-you're-having-fun fun like post-San Andreas GTA.
I swear the GTA IV campaign is one of the most boring AAA games of all time.
Like 90% is just a grind that you have lie to yourself about. It's a chore.
SR3 by comparison is actually entertaining in almost everything you're doing.
And despite how crazy it gets, the writing is actually surprisingly grounded.
*_“Where do you go from here?”_* while legitimate, isn't a good enough question
to make a boring game instead of a fun one.
You make the best product you can,
and the next time, you make the best product you can.
After saints row 3 it would have been fun if they had you playing as a new group and your main villains are the original group. The old crew are still hi power government agents but everything around them is played straight but the characters are still themselves. There running around nut punching officials but they're wearing suits doing it kinda vibe.
I will die on the hill that SR3 is an awesome game, 1 and 2 are great also but maaan sr3 really gives me nostalgia