I switched to the bmpcc 4k a few months ago and I agree with every word here, man! Truth! I had to put in the time and learn how to work in raw just like you said but I’m glad I did.
Totally agree with your opinion and strategy on upgrading cameras. I also owned and used the original FS5 and FS5 M2 with the Atomos Recorder and also found the same issues that made me upgrade. Keep up the honest vids!
@@FlashFilmAcademy I'm think I'm going to have to buy 2 camera one for video so we can move on are scheme plan and the other to just learn how work the black magic. What do u think? I'm new to this whole thing.
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. Every gripe people have with the BMPCC4K are just standard differences between a video camera and a cinema camera. By cinema camera standards, what the Pocket 4K gives you for the price is INSANE. Modern RAW codec straight to generic SSD media?! It’s a cinema camera that doesn’t have thousand-dollar accessories needed just to run it. I’ve done the “auto expose” thing with the Pocket 4K in post, similar to what the electronic ND might do for you. Just duplicate your clip to a new track above your original, change the ISO on the new clip to compensate the exposure, and cross-fade between the two exposures. It’s magical.
"Marry the lenses, date the bodies" - Love it, and so often forgotten by people - Good Glass will stay Good and can be adapted - worth thinking about when budgeting !
Good glass will stay good optically, I guess, but the advances in AF will require lenses to match. (And yes, I proudly use AF for interviews. DPAF on my C200 is insanely smooth and accurate. Practically fool-proof. I wouldn't trust it with older third party lenses, however.)
Good one bro! I own both the fs5 ii and bmpcc4k and feel the same way. I Love the BMPCC4K!! I am not selling thou. I think the fs5ii shines in run and gun documentary and broadcast field of work. bmpcc4k wil certainly get the same job done but with a little more love put into it. But for full productions like shorts, musicvideo's and such hands down for the bmpcc4k. Liked and subbed ! thanks for your take on the topic!
Thanks for your review. As an owner of the original FS5, that camera has served me extremely well, and has paid for itself many times over. The built-in ND filter, form factor and XLR inputs have been extremely valuable for my corporate work. That said, I agree that my Shogun Inferno adds bulk and I wish the camera could shoot 4K 10 bit internal. I have also struggled with Sony color science, and actually prefer shooting V-Log on my Panasonic GH5. The GH5's portability and IBIS are features that the FS5 lack, so it serves a different purpose. I am intrigued by the BMPC4k, especially for the price, but for me I don't see it as the next step forward from my FS5. I want my next camera to have better low light performance, and my experience with the GH series cameras has me wanting to stay with Super35 or possibly full frame for my next video camera. I shoot a lot of interviews, typically with a phantom powered mic and wireless lav, and the BMPCC4k is OK, but not as practical as the FS5. Then there's the hassle of adding ND filters....ugh, that would be a hard one to give up. Rigging up the BMPCC4k and struggling with audio and ND filters takes some of the excitement out of it for me, but the image quality is still very appealing. As always, there is no perfect camera... Q: Did you give consideration to Black Magic's Ursa Mini Pro before buying the BMPCC4k? Seems like that could have been a logical FS5 replacement for corporate work, but I'm not sure if that would compliment your business. Anyway, thanks for sharing your views on this. I'd love to see some of your finished work shot on the camera.
Why not just switch to a c200 and throw down on a set of Cfast cards? I edit CR-lite files straight off the cards. It's awesome, and the camera itself is everything and more than you'd get out of a poor-man's cine cam brain.
We use RED Epic, RED Weapon, and Alexa classic cameras in our production company. We also do a lot of corporate cinema look interviews. We recently added a BM PCC 4K for B-Cam on interviews. Typically we use the Alexa for A-Cam so in Resolve we are cutting and grading between these two cameras and we were surprised to learn the PCC cuts better with the Alexa than the REDs do!! I also love that I can plop a Tentacle on the PCC and maintain lip sync with the Alexa and the RED on Stedicam. And as you said being able to stick a Samsung 512GB SSD USB-C drive on the side of the PCC is killer. Great little cam.
Thanks for this video. It was maybe the most honest opinion of the bmpcc4k. Most videos on UA-cam say the same stuff over and over (battery life sucks, screen doesn't flip, autofocus), it's like they didn't even bother reading the camera's description when buying it
You did not mention the BM PCC 4K takes real timecode which for $1200 is I think the lowest priced pro camera that handles timecode as meta data in the video file.
Just got mine yesterday. This camera is incredible. I have a C200. This is camera image quality is unbelievable equal to the C200 raw. But better because of the internal codecs.
Agreed ...if you dont love grading and coloring then dont get this camera CAnt stand everyone just slapping on the same LUTS BMPCC4K really is a game changer
Agreed I don't own the black magic and looking to get it, the colour grading side of things is what excites me most, love tweaking, pulling and getting the best from something. Well try at least lol
Had a Red. Made a few features, got a career. Then it just sat there because I just used the studios cameras. So I sold it and bought a used some of the funds to buy a hobbyist FS5 and I love it to death. I'm a romanticist. For me the form factor is like your classic 16mm cameras. This is a semi pro movie camera (to me). Incredibly fun to create mini features with. The BMPCC has some great features but it doesn't have that classic feel the FS5 inspires - form factor is too DSLR-ey. Of course it's great for low cost film making. For me though if I'm doing any professional work I'll hire Alexa's. For fun and experimentation, I use the FS5 which I intend to keep as a classic camera for a long time.
One of the few times a talking head video has held my attention for that long. Great job, man. Liked and subscribed. In terms of the Pocket 4K's specs (and all the points you've touched on), it's def a no brainer especially at that price point. The only issue I personally have with that camera is the new Sony sensor. To my eyes, the image quality doesn't have the same cinematic texture of the Fairchild sensor found in the OG Blackmagic Cinema Cameras. The digital overbite in my opinion is very similar to say a GH5s or Sony A7s. It's one of the main reasons I chose a BMMCC instead.
@@baddogentertainment6960 Hopefully you'll get the new one with the old screen, with which downgrade to CinemaDNG (real RAW) is possible. BMD has replaced the screen and you can't downgrade with it. Then only BRAW is possible, which is no real RAW according to the examiner. See: www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?22311-Oops!-BRAW-isn%92t-Raw-%96-It%92s-a-Y%92CbCr-codec forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=90870 forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91466 CinemaDNG is also closer to real 4K BRAW is so good that you get real 1080p And the old BMPCC/BMMCC with CinemaDNG, has such good 1080p, because of good sensor pixel size. Here filmmaker discussed about it: www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/26940-blackmagic-pocket-cinema-camera-4k/page/402/?tab=comments#comment-290724 peace
Great video and as an fs5ii owner I've been eyeing that camera as well but I have a few issues with your argument: 1. The fs5ii should not be used as a 4k camera. yes, if you compare the 4k 8bit to say an 6500 or 7iii then yes, it's not that great. But I ONLY shoot 1080p 10bit 422 and that image is way better than any of the consumer Sony cameras. I've owned all of them. The value of the fs5ii is the 1080p 10bit 422 in a easy to use light codec. Even the c200 doesn't offer that. For event shooting, corporate gigs this is really valuable especially when you include ergonomics and functionality. 2. With the speed booster and vintage lenses and even L series lenses the image I get out of the fs5ii is really filmic and cinematic actually. It's basically a full frame, 10bit 422 image which that's really hard to find in the marketplace. I've tried comparing it to the a7iii, a canon 1DC (8bit 422 Clog) and the fs5ii image was better in both cases. 3. There's a lot gigs in LA where the producers are looking for FS shooters specifically. Those gigs alone pay for the camera and make it relevant. I haven't seen any jobs looking for BMPCC4k, URSA Mini yes, but not BMPCC and that's because at the end of the day it's not a PRO camera, and even if I do end up buying one to try out, I don't feel comfortable making it my workhorse. I've heard of a lot of issues with BM cameras and have been warned about it from BM owners. 4. The fs5ii kills in run in gun Doc style shooting. When I need Ultimate image quality on a short film or commercial, I would just rent an Alexa or Red anyways. 5. Everyone is talking about "when the a7siii comes out" like it's some magical unicorn. We'll probably all be dead by the time they release it anyways lol. And I don't think they are gonna have internal variable ND also. All that being said, I def see the appeal of that camera and can't wait to get my hands on one, especially since I want to switch to Resolve and stop paying Adobe every damn month. I just don't expect it to replace my fs5ii just yet...
I have a blackmagic pocket 4K too and speaking from an artist perspective, feeling is mutual. you said it... But I think people wont appreciate the time you invest working out the the camera and post producing it. Its hard to get the proper value from the client. People often dont understand the word CINEMA that sticks in between and the fact that, with great camera comes great responsibility.
AuteurTheory.tv here... Love the Blackmagic pocket cinema 4k. Compared to Ursa Mini Pro 4.6k (G1) and the original Ursa which I own, this will be the main camera I bring out.. I think. I’m still contemplating returning it if I can not resolve the issue of instability between my brand new .71x metabones adapter and my Zeiss ZE glass. Makes me worried about renting larger lenses without lens support...but I have the full tilta cage with rods so I can get that and hopefully that resolves it. My biggest problem is that it crops so much even with the metabones speedbooster. And it’s incredibly hard to achieve the same handheld movements that I was able to with the Ursa Mini Pro which is quite heavier especially once my v-mount battery is attached. I brought my out for a quick test..using my 35mm Zeiss ZE lens with a really dope setup using Tilta arms/hand-grips and the Tilta nucleus m follow-focus hand-grips (DM if anyone is interested in pics of that setup)..to maximize handheld stability with multiple touch points and comfortable positioning. I just felt that it was so hard to walk or slowly move.. I’ve seen Tom Antos’ recommendation to stabilize in post but that is something I don’t compromise. I also don’t want a MFT lens with built-in image stabilization because I prefer EF lenses. I don’t think the smaller gimbals give a good look for more than tiny sweeps - personally I think it looks low-budget..too robotic and Not enough natural parallax and most obviously tough control over vertical shock and using the ronin-s and similar smaller gimbals doesn’t work with ez-rigs with serene arms..I also come from a place of doing things at the highest production level (high budget commercials with Alexa’s, reds, and phantoms) I want to try the metabones .64x (or .62, I forgot). Having no built-in ND also sucks With aIl that said, if I could get a good price and get rid of my 2 Ursas, I would probably like this camera a lot more. Great advice - get rid of bodies while they’re still relevant. If I sound like I’m all over the place, I am..because I need to get some really nice natural handheld shots with this with enough natural stability before I can really truly love it. Sry for any typos.. Your insight is great, glad to see people with a similar mindset. Subscribed!
This is one of the best videos I’ve seen on the subject. Truth that spans across manufactures and brands. Didn’t think I’d watch a 22 minute on this topic, but you nailed nearly every aspect of it. Thanks for putting this out there.
good experience thanks for sharing . just a remark : for subject background separation, you need a brighter background or a rim light that brightens up your silhouette as you skin is black (black over black = no separation)
Thanks for keeping it real Flash..appreciate that....looking forward To following your journey with the BLack Magic Pocket and Learning something along the way!
Man.. Your story on your mistake with the OG BMCC 4k hit me in my soul. I was a young filmmaker and purchased it new and it was the worst investment I have made simply because I was not ready in my craft to understand it's purpose. I almost didn't get out from under it due to the URSA mini coming out at the same price. The value of that camera drop dramatically. Here I am, 4 years later, getting ready to move from Sony back to Blackmagic for the Pocket 4k.
The Fs5 with odyssey raw recorder stays lightweight and is extremely good. 240fps continuous! Use phantom lut and you are close to an 4K 60 Arri Alexa...
Close to Alexa? I'd like to see some cover for that claim. I mean, I can get far more decent skin colors with BMPCC4K than any Sony I've used ever and still the BM isn't even close to Alexa.
@@eliteextremophile8895 this was before a guy put hundreds of hours to match the fs5 to alexa. just take a look... I know people who haven't sold their fs7 just because of this luts... I am also very impressed by the luts... vimeo.com/285488208
@@chrisr1241 the fs7 luts are good, but the fs7 is nothing compared to the c200. I shoot everything raw now to cfast cards, getting cheaper all the time.
@jonathan I believe that. The c200 is an amazing camera with superb autofocus as well but it is too big for me. I am always on the road with my fs5 and 7q raw recorder and the form factor is just better for me. When you add a proper field monitor to the c200 it is also heavier...Don’t get me wrong I tested the c200 and it is the better camera overall... but then variable nd on the fs5 is just a dream...
@@chrisr1241 That variable ND is probably my favorite feature on ANY camera, and it almost justifies all of the FS5's shortcomings. What we need is an FS5iii with 60p 4k and the new color science available across the different profiles. THAT would entice me. I never gave the FS5 and recorder a fair shot, but I believe your assessment.
Rafael Cardenas I don’t think so. With the proper Metabones adapter, you get even sharper images and full -frame coverage plus 1-2 extra stops. I feel like I am shooting full frame with my setup.
As a BMCC owner, the insights in this video is beyond real talk. I also realized that the majority of issues I had with the camera was user error. The footage this camera produces is still boss-level. That Pocket 4k has some nice updated features I need. Debating whether I should get a Pocket 4k or just wait for the dust to settle on the UMP G2. I have seen an A/B test and the BMCC 2.5k footage matched the Pocket 4k.
Pocket 4K and UMP G2 are two different cameras for different needs, I think. Portability and one man band are the key for the Pocket. Also, the Pocket 4K is much user friendly than the old BMCC 2.5k. And BRAW is really a BIG BIG thing. It's amazing, the quality and the file size. I never thought I would shoot 4K but now I am shooting 4K BRAW instead of 1080 Prores.
I was wondering if you could answer a question. I currently have the A7sii and was planning on selling it when the A7siii is announced. I've gained a lot of experience with shooting cinema quality video and color correcting and grading images so I was wondering if you think it would be smart to sell the A7sii now and buy a pocket cinema camera instead. My only worries are A.) The much smaller sensor will be hard to deal with and will limit my lens options B.) The A7siii might be a huge step in the pro-sumer market and will end up outshining the pocket 4k. I would love to hear any opinions since you have experience with both brands.
Once the a7siii is anounced the a7sii market will be dead in the water. Only because it's such a huge upgrade in image quality, codecs, bit depth/rate and battery life. Sell your camera asap. The Bmpcc4k will more than hold you. It offers 12-bit NOW when we're still praying we'll get 10bit from the new camera. The color science is so good! I had micro four thirds all wrong it's a GREAT lens system that can adapt to almost any lens mount. (Other than e-mount yet). Plus you should have NO problems moving a BMPCC4k in a year.
@@FlashFilmAcademy Thanks for the advice! My endgame is ultimately the A7siii due to the familiar s-log workflow and the ability to use it as a still camera but I might get the pocket as an intermediate since I can't be without a camera. Thanks again!
I’ve thought about this for the past few days and while you are right about almost everything I had to consider shooting outside. The FS5 electronic ND filters are amazing when shooing sports outside. It’s hard to give that up. But as I think about the key points about bit rates, colors and the old sensor you have me sold. I’m just not sure the BMPCC 4K is right for me. It could be, I’ll see if I can get a rental and see how I like it.
Great video! You should consider the Sigma 18-35 1.8 w/Speedbooster. If you search you can find how to set back focus on the speedbooster and make the Sigma 18-35 parfocal. Seems like you'd dig that. I think you'd have some serious fun with adding that to your toolbox. Plus it's considered one of the sharpest lenses out there and you'd also have and 18, 24 and 35 in one lens.
I love the honesty in this video. You're attitude is very refreshing and it's fun to see someone clearly excited about their new gear. I just purchased an URSA Mini G2. Enjoy the camera!
Just found your channel today and subscribed cause you sound like a very honest and knowledgeable person. Image quality could be very subjective; some older cameras can produce better images than newer ones. Some people prefer the "look" produced by the BMD Cinema Camera 2.5k over the Ursa Mini. There is something about the Arri Alexa, Panasonic Varicam and Blackmagic cameras that is hard for people to pinpoint but that they like when they see it. It's sometimes called the "Mojo" or "Special Sauce". For some reason the image quality from the Sony FS5 never wowed me. I've seen more pleasant images from the a7iii/a7Riii.
I still dig my FS5. I shoot for TV ads so 10 bit 1080 is fine, and the 4K looks good, even graded. I love the form factor. I came from a Sony EX1, so the FS5 was a natural evolution. I do have a GH5 too for when I need to go light, or I'm shooting home movies. That electronic ND is BIG man... BIG! I doubt they will put that in the A7Siii. I wish that feature would start getting implemented in more cameras. I'd pay 8 grand for an FS5 with 10 bit 4K60 Prorez RAW, and a stabilized sensor.
Wonderful presentation....and not sponsored by BM! I am a still photographer (although, as a teenager, I was apprenticed as a cinematographer) and what really interests me most about this camera (and I have ordered one) is that it recognises the synergy between still photography and cinema ie one frame becomes many. The work one does on a still now becomes possible with this camera and Davinci Resolve and it makes one think about what is in front of the camera rather than who is behind the camera and that is the origins of film making.
Hello, I am a new subscriber and I'm going to school at Full Sail University for Cinematography. Your title caught my eye cause in October is when I get my video camera which is a Sony FS 5 MK II now I use Final Cut Pro as well. And I also have Davinchi Resolve on my computer still learning about all the software lots to learn. I just wanted to introduce myself to you. And I will definitely follow you from here on out take it easy. Cory J.
Just subscribed. Great job explaining.....everything. I got mine last week. Can't believe how simple the learning curve was. First time Davinci Resolve user as well. Very intuitive. Looking forward to more of your videos.
Running Black Magic cams myself (Ursa Mini Pro + Micro Cinema) and when people ask me about it I answer: look at how many of their flagships (Ursa Mini Pocket Cinema) are sold used? Says it all. Salute, man. Nice honest video.
I'm ready to go after the newest URSA...even while picking up this BM pocket...have you got a tech-spec sheet on how you've got your URSA working and videos samples?
@@markgeorgeff9816 My set up goes the whole way: Ursa Mini Pro + SSD recorder + Shoulder mount + Viewfinder. Fair amount of money but worth every cent to me. Actual footage wouldn't do any good since its common ENG work (rec 709 bullcrap). What I absolutely love about the Mini Pro is the menu. You don't have various profiles like with most other manufactures where every profile skips some options. Like when you go for windowed sensor (needed to avoid the black circle when using lenses designed for smaller sensors like the broadcast stuff = B4 mount which I use) I think ALL other companies restrict you codec wise in that mode - not Black Magic. Only when you go for high frame rate the sensor WILL BE windowed with the Ursa. Having the option to change mount and run any whatsoever lens manufacturer was a major point for me. Adjusting backfocus with the shim kit for the B4 lenses was some hassle but ... not enough not to do it. :) I usually don't go above 1080p and with the high-end codecs you get with the Ursa there's no worries. All the stupid 4K babbling is worthless anyway. Made a test and zoomed in in post about 300% and didn't got any quality loss worth worrying about thanks to ProRess HQ or Black Magic Raw. Having SSDs is also very comfortable. Would have liked to show some real footage but some pigshit Win10 update for some reason wracked my external drives and corrupted all data. Did some nice shot filming Psilocybe Larvae with a scarcely lit stage, few lights (all white) and some fog. Looked pretty cool but that is lost now. :( Let me know if you need some more precise info.
@@corneliusdobeneck4081 Hi Cornelius, take your hard drives to a professional shop that has the know-how to recover data. Also plan to insulate your PC from voltage spikes. Finally we all need to back up, back up and back up!
Great points. I feel the same way. I love my a6500 but after it shut down three times due to overheating on my last job i purchased a BMPCC 4K. Already off the bat I’m loving the easy menus.
Man, I went the SAME exact route as you. I was shooting with A7S II and FS5 II. Sold both, bought an A7 III & a6400 for Photo + BTS Video (nice to have ability to AF on a tripod as a BTS video cam) but now shoot with P4K as my main shooter. No regrets at all.
Couldn't agree with you more. I bought the BMPC4K two weeks ago and it's a really great "CINEMA" camera as you have said. Compared to my GH5s(W/ the Ninja V), the BMPC4K has a more pleasing look at 60p and 24p. BRAW just works! I tested the C-Fast against the SSD USB-C and the C-Fast works at every speed and compression ratio....NICE! I'm still testing Davinci and it's a learning curve but it is one of the best features of this purchase. For the price, I plan on getting a second one soon...Great video, keep up the good work.
Exactly the video that I needed. Im feeling the same way about my production style, so I was considering jumping from a C100 mk1 to a FS5. I really like slow motion and stuff, but everything you said is very real
You killed it! Your style is right on the mark and your pro video experience (and smooth easy but focused content) is something that many youtube influences just can't match. I'm a non-pro selective video for serious fun planning to move to A72 not quite ready to invest the time to learn Divinci Resolve & color grading ... yet but I'm 100% sold on Blackmagic when the time comes.
Maan!! This channel is so good that, I do not know how this channel does not have 250mil subscribers! I really liked the sincerity that you put in your videos. Won a fan for life!
Really solid breakdown. My only issue was when BMD announces a camera- you can't actually buy it till almost a year later every time. Seriously really comprehensive and covers everything I would want to know.
yeah...i've had probs with upgrades...they're not as bad as they used to be rushing tech out to the marketplace in too soon BETA stages...and then when we bitch to BM about the bugs, etc., they start working on fixes.
Finally a logical review of the BMPCC4K. Get down bro. I appreciate this review. Thanks. Everybody always reviews it comparing to, like you said, a video camera,. It’s frustrating watching them. You’re hit the nail on the head, no cinema camera comes shit. So thanks
Here’s how the camera game goes: -Canon EOS M50 $500 -Panasonic GH5 (great for run&gun, shitty high ISO) -BMPCC4K $1.300 (1.89x crop, not great for run&gun best for under 2.000) -Panasonic GH5s $2.300 (best video cam for under 10.000 bucks, reliable, great high ISO, great image especially in Log, good codecs, multi-aspect sensor 1.89x crop with native 4:3 with 2x anamorphic support) -Canon C300 mk.II $10.000 (Does it all: narrative, run&gun, good low light, amazing body with build in NDs, great codecs, usable AF) All of these cameras, other than the M50 can take XLRs without to much of a hustle. After these camera we’re talking studio narrative films so you’re looking at Alexa’s or cellulite film. And remember all cameras after the GH5 are so good that they don’t define the look anymore the artist does.
@@FlashFilmAcademy : Someone out there will lend you one for such a comparison. Right? ... Time for someone with a G2 out there to pipe up and volunteer! :-)
Yep. The FS5M2 prices will drop into nirvana as soon as the A7s III gets released. Maybe one point, why they held back the A7s III so long (beside always having something new in petto to put into the A7s III). But its also a chance - If you WANT to go for the FS5 Mark 2, wait until the A7s III gets released ^^. Especially, as the A7s III is (for sure) not coming with the nice vari ND of the FS5 variants. Beside the XLRs, longer runtime and better controls thats the only difference anymore (soon) inbetween the system camera and the FS5 / FS7 class.
Great video. Moving bodies... this is the game we're in. I'm new to your channel, seconds away from course. I'm an adjunct film professor... my class is official! And now things are different, money was never great but that wasn't the goal. I'm new to BM6kPro, its pretty good.
Only halfway through and no dog in this fight but I have to say I'll listen to anyone who talks about the mix of features found in a particular piece of gear and asks you to think about what's right and wrong about it for you. I have zero time for people who just want to be fanboys or sharpen their claws on the 2.5 slight flaws in something. Like bit depth-if it matters to you and your clients, then fine. If getting the look you're going for requires log, then fine. Me, I'm a one-man band and I work on my light, lenses, and great color science off the shelf, all in the service of the storytelling. Curious about this camera at best but I like the way you think. SUBBED. : )
Good video, in my opinion, the FS5 is not really portable with compared to other camera's with better performance. That said, why not use the A9 or A7iiiS? Yes they do cost a bit more than the BM pocket, which is a excellent camera, but you could retain your Sony investment.
You really seem to have some high hopes for the A7SIII. I seriously doubt that it's going to have an internal ND and I think expecting it to produce anything more than (maybe) 10 bit is very optimistic.
I've talked to Sony a few times. They have a game changer up their sleeve. Their worst fear is to drop the ball like Canon did after the 5d mk2 when it comes to video.
Couldn’t disagree more about all the other Sony cameras vs the FS5 Mkii for image quality. You may be using yours without an Inferno but that’s the only way I ever record anything with mine and I will say that the FS5mkii with the atomos inferno is miles past the A6300 or any of the A7cameras in every category except low light. The skin tones, overall color, highlight rolloff, file gradability, slow motion capability and overall X factor look/feel of the image is so much better it’s laughable. I look back on shoots I did with an A7s mkii which is basically unusable in SLog3 because the shadow noise, and the image is completely hit or miss, the way it renders color is terrible. If you’re in a well controlled scene you can get it to a good place but I always felt like I was fighting it to get there. With the FS5 mkii, the color accuracy is incredibly spot on, skin tones come to life I think for the first time ever, better than canon cameras and if you ever tried shooting a commercial project in cdng the image quality is jaw dropping. I’ve shot a ton on the Canon C300/100, EVA 1, GH series, A7 series, and the FS7 mki and ii. The best overall cameras of that bunch, the ones that are great to work with and produce great images are the FS5mkii with a shogun, and the canon Cinema cameras followed by the FS7’s. The FS5 mkii and Shogun has the best slow motion options of the bunch. 240fps continuous in 2k, 60fps continuous in 4K, and 120fps bursts in 4K and you can shoot any of those in 12 bit raw in cdng, pro res raw, pro res, or DxhHr. The EVA 1 beats the FS5 mk ii and Shogun on paper in some categories but I’ve shot the two side by side and I personally prefer the image from the Sony. Not to mention the EVA sucks to work with in a lot of ways, especially going to 60fps, it’s a 3 step menu process. That’s just embarrassing. Now, being one who recently bought the black magic pocket 4K. I have to say the image is better than any other camera on that list. I also prefer using braw files over any other file type now. It’s amazing what it can do, absolutely amazing. It has made me wonder if I should do the same thing and sell my FS5 to get a couple black magic cameras. Maybe an ursa mini pro? I’m not quite there yet, as the black magic pocket has its own drawbacks that the FS5mk ii and Shogun compliment really well. Thanks for your video and the time you put into it, you make a lot of great points.
It’s so true, I remember shooting LOG on my A7SII coming from the Canon 5D was a very difficult adjustment because grading and exposing properly was a totally different workflow, and a more professional/manual process at that. This is definitely a professional’s tool, albeit an extremely affordable one.
I'm new to all of this, and I picked up a BMPCC AND A lumix G7. I want to master the BMPCC and upgrade to the 4k after a year or so and sell the one I have now. Love the picture
I am really interested in Davinci Resolve. I am retired and do video for a hobby (UA-cam and some documentary projects). My budget can't get me into high-end cameras, but after working with the free version of Resolve, I am going to buy the license. It is a really great product, especially for it age. I think it will add a lot of production value to my documentary work. I would definitely try a BMPCC if I get a job that pays it off. I think it is the bargain camera of the century.
For its age??? It is less than a year old and gets updated about once a year with major additions and revisions! You also can’t beat what it can do for the price. Pros use DaVinci or Media Composer, YT hacks and amateurs use Adobe
This is the first video of yours that I've watched but it won't be the last. You're a young, knowledgeable pro! Thanks for the very informative video. Keep em coming!
Thank you brother, I was torn between choosing the GH5 or BMPCC 4k but after hearing your honest opinion, I realized that I LOVE color correcting & grading even though I still shoot with my crappy Nikon D5300 w/kit lens. When I'm done sharpening my skills I will move on to the BMPCC 4k for sure! Keep up the good work!
Only thing I dislike with the P4k is that most of the DR is in the low end. Sony I always slightly ETTR, P4k I slightly ETTL and underexpose to protect hi-lights. even with highlight recovery, it can clip sooner than you expect, even with zebras on.
Love your enthusiasm bro! If i was not already convinced that this camera has to be my next major upgrade I sure would be now. Grant and his guys are true disruptors, I look forward to the videos on your setup and your recommendations for accessories, peace out ✌
You spoke well. Tell me your opinion. I'm thinking about to upgrade my gear because i will go for hire me to shooting weddings.and i'm thinking about for sony a7iii and bmpc 4k. wich of 2 you recommend me?
How does the BMPCC do with talking head interviews when the subject is bobbing and weaving (like they always do)? Shall I magically pull focus while engaging with my subject? Should I hire a focus-puller and pass the cost on to the client? Shall I lock down to f11 and try not to ask myself why I'm not shooting with my trusty XF705? Enquiring minds want to know.
"Marry the lenses, date the bodies". Yup! Im on a vintage lens kick at the moment. Got a bunch of Takumars, and Russian glass that I'm getting all hot over.
My film school sent me a FS5 MkII. However, now that I am no longer in school I would like to move on to something different. Problem is I simply don’t know where to sell it. Any ideas?
Agreed, I'm Canon photographer, but more and more clients are asking for videos, it's like 60% of my clients now, and canon don't hold it with eos r, like you said, good strait off the camera, but not good enough....and I'm reallly looking to exchange the 5DMKIV for BMC.
I'm right there with you man! I have had mine for a few months now and love it! Try using some vintage lenses and to get a more cinematic look. You won't be disappointed! I been shooting with the Jupiter 9 85mm on this camera and the results are spectacular! :)
Thanks for the great video. My main concern is if I should invest in the pocket (including metabones+ v mount) or just wait a little longer for the UMP G2. I'll probably keep my A7S's for wedding work, but for feature work, BM is looking like a solid option rn.
Great video, smart, good info. Our company has been shooting weddings with the A7Sii for years now and we need to upgrade. With no Siii in sight, the BMPCC is definitely on my radar, and seems to be a obvious choice over the FS5 to maintain a small profile and mobility.
great advice man, thanks for sharing that, I'm definitely one of those dudes that loves the AF on my A9 so maybe the BMPCC is not for me but I'm dreaming of working with braw, I have been seriously thinking about the black magic, i am really curious to see what the specs of A7siii will be. I'm going to wait for the A7siii as i have invested a lot in sony glass.
what lens should i buy to go with this camera? I only have on sigma for cannon 17-50mm i paid around $300 for and i'd like to use it but i looked up an adapter it was $600. so I think i should just buy something else. Please help!
Interesting comments. Personally, I hate the form factor of all of the "small" cameras, and would never be able to get past that with the pocket camera. Glad you're happy with your choice, though, and I can't argue with the results.
Great video. Also - Check out the Nikon Z6 with 10 bit and 12 bit raw and super IBIS. I have the A6500 and the Z6 video quality blows the A6500 out of the water.
If you do mainly corporate videos, why would you need Raw? Id think the FS5 with it's efficient codec is more suitable for your type of video shooting.
Dude---you are amazing and hilarious! I am glad that I discovered your channel. I have two BMPCC4Ks and love them. Similarly--I am going to sell my FS7 to get the Ursa Mini Pro 4.6K G2 to make the switch. The BMD guys are on their game.
This video helps many people who are struggling to make a decision a lot! I am one of those people. Although I'm an a6300 user and guessing between the a7III, the BMPCC4K and the Z-Cam E2, this review is crystal clear and honest to the bone. Thank you very much, man.
I would argue the best camera is the one can "straight out give the best image" which indeed in my opinion, ARRI Alexa can pretty much straight out give you the best image you could get from any other camera system.
I’ll be getting the pocket soon for sure, I’ve already got a fully rigged out Ursa 4K and I’m happy out with it but be nice to have same thing but smaller form factor
Great video... I currently run the FS5 with the A6500... not sure I’m ready to give up the built in ND just yet... however looking forward to more from you with the BMPCC 4K... have mine on back order... just such a pity I can’t adapt all my Zeiss Batis glass!
Hello. I also use my fs5 with the a6500 and when I shoot slog3 (in HD), the 6500 footage is significantly less sharp and clear than with fs5. Have you noticed something similar? I can't figure out the reason. What's more, I use zeiss prime lenses on my 6500 that should be even sharper than the 18-105 kit lens
this is exactly the same things I find myself explaining to the clients every time they ask for "cinematic" images ...... "Guys this camera is NOT for you...."..... hahahahah... thank you .. I probably going to save your video and let you speak for me
Thanks for sharing your deep knowledge about other cameras and the BMPCC 4k. The best in-depth review about the BMPCC 4k, thanks I truly appreciate it. I have learnt more about this camera today from you Flash and sure I didn't make a mistake to order the BMPCC 4k, besides I did own the BM Production 4k until I sold it out to a partner in anticipation of a much versatile new camera. Yes my new BMPCC 4k needs rigging up, with a cage, T5 SSD, new DTap cable. I will use the Lanparte battery and Vmount that I own, the NTG4+, of course, I will need the Mini-XLR. I will update on the setup when I get it all together.
Great video. I think you should check out the E2 cam that can do 120fps in 4k for 2000usd. Its a great price to performance while having a cinematic look.
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" Marry the Lens Date the Body "
Calvin Noel 😂
But withhold the kiss for your wife, lol
My new favourite quote
hahahahahhaahhhaaaaaa
Best camera quote, ever!!!
I switched to the bmpcc 4k a few months ago and I agree with every word here, man! Truth! I had to put in the time and learn how to work in raw just like you said but I’m glad I did.
Totally agree with your opinion and strategy on upgrading cameras. I also owned and used the original FS5 and FS5 M2 with the Atomos Recorder and also found the same issues that made me upgrade. Keep up the honest vids!
I was planning to get a FS5, so what would you recomend?
Not at this time no
Construyendo me divierto Fx9 ;-)
@@FlashFilmAcademy
I'm think I'm going to have to buy 2 camera one for video so we can move on are scheme plan and the other to just learn how work the black magic.
What do u think?
I'm new to this whole thing.
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head. Every gripe people have with the BMPCC4K are just standard differences between a video camera and a cinema camera. By cinema camera standards, what the Pocket 4K gives you for the price is INSANE. Modern RAW codec straight to generic SSD media?! It’s a cinema camera that doesn’t have thousand-dollar accessories needed just to run it.
I’ve done the “auto expose” thing with the Pocket 4K in post, similar to what the electronic ND might do for you. Just duplicate your clip to a new track above your original, change the ISO on the new clip to compensate the exposure, and cross-fade between the two exposures. It’s magical.
Man you need to get BM to sponsor you. This is a very compelling video. Keep innovating and creating.
Lol I wish
"Marry the lenses, date the bodies" - Love it, and so often forgotten by people - Good Glass will stay Good and can be adapted - worth thinking about when budgeting !
Good glass will stay good optically, I guess, but the advances in AF will require lenses to match. (And yes, I proudly use AF for interviews. DPAF on my C200 is insanely smooth and accurate. Practically fool-proof. I wouldn't trust it with older third party lenses, however.)
Marry the Lenses, date the Bodies....Love it!
Good one bro! I own both the fs5 ii and bmpcc4k and feel the same way. I Love the BMPCC4K!! I am not selling thou. I think the fs5ii shines in run and gun documentary and broadcast field of work. bmpcc4k wil certainly get the same job done but with a little more love put into it. But for full productions like shorts, musicvideo's and such hands down for the bmpcc4k. Liked and subbed ! thanks for your take on the topic!
Thanks for your review. As an owner of the original FS5, that camera has served me extremely well, and has paid for itself many times over. The built-in ND filter, form factor and XLR inputs have been extremely valuable for my corporate work. That said, I agree that my Shogun Inferno adds bulk and I wish the camera could shoot 4K 10 bit internal. I have also struggled with Sony color science, and actually prefer shooting V-Log on my Panasonic GH5. The GH5's portability and IBIS are features that the FS5 lack, so it serves a different purpose. I am intrigued by the BMPC4k, especially for the price, but for me I don't see it as the next step forward from my FS5. I want my next camera to have better low light performance, and my experience with the GH series cameras has me wanting to stay with Super35 or possibly full frame for my next video camera. I shoot a lot of interviews, typically with a phantom powered mic and wireless lav, and the BMPCC4k is OK, but not as practical as the FS5. Then there's the hassle of adding ND filters....ugh, that would be a hard one to give up. Rigging up the BMPCC4k and struggling with audio and ND filters takes some of the excitement out of it for me, but the image quality is still very appealing. As always, there is no perfect camera...
Q: Did you give consideration to Black Magic's Ursa Mini Pro before buying the BMPCC4k? Seems like that could have been a logical FS5 replacement for corporate work, but I'm not sure if that would compliment your business.
Anyway, thanks for sharing your views on this. I'd love to see some of your finished work shot on the camera.
Why not just switch to a c200 and throw down on a set of Cfast cards? I edit CR-lite files straight off the cards. It's awesome, and the camera itself is everything and more than you'd get out of a poor-man's cine cam brain.
@@jonathonfrum8084 I dunno, maybe it's the fact that the C200 is five times more expensive than a GH5?
@@BillStreeter Good point. You're in the market for a consumer toy, and a consumer toy you shall have. Have fun. Go play, now.
We use RED Epic, RED Weapon, and Alexa classic cameras in our production company. We also do a lot of corporate cinema look interviews. We recently added a BM PCC 4K for B-Cam on interviews. Typically we use the Alexa for A-Cam so in Resolve we are cutting and grading between these two cameras and we were surprised to learn the PCC cuts better with the Alexa than the REDs do!! I also love that I can plop a Tentacle on the PCC and maintain lip sync with the Alexa and the RED on Stedicam. And as you said being able to stick a Samsung 512GB SSD USB-C drive on the side of the PCC is killer. Great little cam.
Thanks for this video. It was maybe the most honest opinion of the bmpcc4k. Most videos on UA-cam say the same stuff over and over (battery life sucks, screen doesn't flip, autofocus), it's like they didn't even bother reading the camera's description when buying it
Not a bad thing.. we use the bmpcc4k for stuff we use to shoot on a c200, c300ii, fs7ii, UMP, and even dsmc2
My biggest complaints on the BMPCC 4k is the lack of focusing tools. Its a good idea to have an atomos or someting for the focus.
Atomos hates BM, get small hd
I believe it's designed with manual focus and external monitoring in mind, the very presence of a screen is an extra in the first place
You did not mention the BM PCC 4K takes real timecode which for $1200 is I think the lowest priced pro camera that handles timecode as meta data in the video file.
Just got mine yesterday. This camera is incredible. I have a C200. This is camera image quality is unbelievable equal to the C200 raw. But better because of the internal codecs.
Yeah it's crazy how good it is!
I have both these cameras. This is not an accurate statement. The BM comes close but does not equal CRM.
@@PhoenicianSailor does to me with more frame rate and bit rate options. Love my auto focus and ND on my C200 though.
Bro, the way you explain things? Damn I wish I had you for all my math classes in high school.
Agreed ...if you dont love grading and coloring then dont get this camera
CAnt stand everyone just slapping on the same LUTS
BMPCC4K really is a game changer
Lol I totally agree!
Agreed I don't own the black magic and looking to get it, the colour grading side of things is what excites me most, love tweaking, pulling and getting the best from something. Well try at least lol
Marry your lenses, date the bodies 😂😂😂, I like.... great honest info bro, I like the facial expressions that got that honest look...good stuff
If I even called my glass a lens, she'd leave me..🤣
never a truer word spoken - using glass I bought a decade ago to this day
Had a Red. Made a few features, got a career. Then it just sat there because I just used the studios cameras. So I sold it and bought a used some of the funds to buy a hobbyist FS5 and I love it to death. I'm a romanticist. For me the form factor is like your classic 16mm cameras. This is a semi pro movie camera (to me). Incredibly fun to create mini features with. The BMPCC has some great features but it doesn't have that classic feel the FS5 inspires - form factor is too DSLR-ey. Of course it's great for low cost film making. For me though if I'm doing any professional work I'll hire Alexa's. For fun and experimentation, I use the FS5 which I intend to keep as a classic camera for a long time.
One of the few times a talking head video has held my attention for that long. Great job, man. Liked and subscribed. In terms of the Pocket 4K's specs (and all the points you've touched on), it's def a no brainer especially at that price point. The only issue I personally have with that camera is the new Sony sensor. To my eyes, the image quality doesn't have the same cinematic texture of the Fairchild sensor found in the OG Blackmagic Cinema Cameras. The digital overbite in my opinion is very similar to say a GH5s or Sony A7s. It's one of the main reasons I chose a BMMCC instead.
Correct assessment. That's why I still film with the old pocket.
@@automatisatorpeace5453 Damn it i just sold mine to justify getting the pocket 4k.
You'll still love it
@@baddogentertainment6960 Hopefully you'll get the new one with the old screen, with which downgrade to CinemaDNG (real RAW) is possible. BMD has replaced the screen and you can't downgrade with it. Then only BRAW is possible, which is no real RAW according to the examiner.
See:
www.bmcuser.com/showthread.php?22311-Oops!-BRAW-isn%92t-Raw-%96-It%92s-a-Y%92CbCr-codec
forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=90870
forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=91466
CinemaDNG is also closer to real 4K
BRAW is so good that you get real 1080p
And the old BMPCC/BMMCC with CinemaDNG, has such good 1080p, because of good sensor pixel size. Here filmmaker discussed about it:
www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/26940-blackmagic-pocket-cinema-camera-4k/page/402/?tab=comments#comment-290724
peace
Great video and as an fs5ii owner I've been eyeing that camera as well but I have a few issues with your argument:
1. The fs5ii should not be used as a 4k camera. yes, if you compare the 4k 8bit to say an 6500 or 7iii then yes, it's not that great. But I ONLY shoot 1080p 10bit 422 and that image is way better than any of the consumer Sony cameras. I've owned all of them. The value of the fs5ii is the 1080p 10bit 422 in a easy to use light codec. Even the c200 doesn't offer that. For event shooting, corporate gigs this is really valuable especially when you include ergonomics and functionality.
2. With the speed booster and vintage lenses and even L series lenses the image I get out of the fs5ii is really filmic and cinematic actually. It's basically a full frame, 10bit 422 image which that's really hard to find in the marketplace. I've tried comparing it to the a7iii, a canon 1DC (8bit 422 Clog) and the fs5ii image was better in both cases.
3. There's a lot gigs in LA where the producers are looking for FS shooters specifically. Those gigs alone pay for the camera and make it relevant. I haven't seen any jobs looking for BMPCC4k, URSA Mini yes, but not BMPCC and that's because at the end of the day it's not a PRO camera, and even if I do end up buying one to try out, I don't feel comfortable making it my workhorse. I've heard of a lot of issues with BM cameras and have been warned about it from BM owners.
4. The fs5ii kills in run in gun Doc style shooting. When I need Ultimate image quality on a short film or commercial, I would just rent an Alexa or Red anyways.
5. Everyone is talking about "when the a7siii comes out" like it's some magical unicorn. We'll probably all be dead by the time they release it anyways lol. And I don't think they are gonna have internal variable ND also.
All that being said, I def see the appeal of that camera and can't wait to get my hands on one, especially since I want to switch to Resolve and stop paying Adobe every damn month. I just don't expect it to replace my fs5ii just yet...
agreed
I have a blackmagic pocket 4K too and speaking from an artist perspective, feeling is mutual. you said it... But I think people wont appreciate the time you invest working out the the camera and post producing it. Its hard to get the proper value from the client. People often dont understand the word CINEMA that sticks in between and the fact that, with great camera comes great responsibility.
"wWth great camera comes great responsibility." Haha, spot on!
AuteurTheory.tv here...
Love the Blackmagic pocket cinema 4k. Compared to Ursa Mini Pro 4.6k (G1) and the original Ursa which I own, this will be the main camera I bring out.. I think. I’m still contemplating returning it if I can not resolve the issue of instability between my brand new .71x metabones adapter and my Zeiss ZE glass. Makes me worried about renting larger lenses without lens support...but I have the full tilta cage with rods so I can get that and hopefully that resolves it. My biggest problem is that it crops so much even with the metabones speedbooster. And it’s incredibly hard to achieve the same handheld movements that I was able to with the Ursa Mini Pro which is quite heavier especially once my v-mount battery is attached. I brought my out for a quick test..using my 35mm Zeiss ZE lens with a really dope setup using Tilta arms/hand-grips and the Tilta nucleus m follow-focus hand-grips (DM if anyone is interested in pics of that setup)..to maximize handheld stability with multiple touch points and comfortable positioning. I just felt that it was so hard to walk or slowly move..
I’ve seen Tom Antos’ recommendation to stabilize in post but that is something I don’t compromise. I also don’t want a MFT lens with built-in image stabilization because I prefer EF lenses.
I don’t think the smaller gimbals give a good look for more than tiny sweeps - personally I think it looks low-budget..too robotic and Not enough natural parallax and most obviously tough control over vertical shock and using the ronin-s and similar smaller gimbals doesn’t work with ez-rigs with serene arms..I also come from a place of doing things at the highest production level (high budget commercials with Alexa’s, reds, and phantoms)
I want to try the metabones .64x (or .62, I forgot).
Having no built-in ND also sucks
With aIl that said, if I could get a good price and get rid of my 2 Ursas, I would probably like this camera a lot more. Great advice - get rid of bodies while they’re still relevant.
If I sound like I’m all over the place, I am..because I need to get some really nice natural handheld shots with this with enough natural stability before I can really truly love it. Sry for any typos..
Your insight is great, glad to see people with a similar mindset. Subscribed!
Thanks I appreciate your support
This is one of the best videos I’ve seen on the subject. Truth that spans across manufactures and brands. Didn’t think I’d watch a 22 minute on this topic, but you nailed nearly every aspect of it. Thanks for putting this out there.
good experience thanks for sharing . just a remark : for subject background separation, you need a brighter background or a rim light that brightens up your silhouette as you skin is black (black over black = no separation)
Thanks for keeping it real Flash..appreciate that....looking forward
To following your journey with the BLack Magic Pocket and
Learning something along the way!
I think that the "journey" that the camera facilitates, is the key here.
Man.. Your story on your mistake with the OG BMCC 4k hit me in my soul. I was a young filmmaker and purchased it new and it was the worst investment I have made simply because I was not ready in my craft to understand it's purpose. I almost didn't get out from under it due to the URSA mini coming out at the same price. The value of that camera drop dramatically.
Here I am, 4 years later, getting ready to move from Sony back to Blackmagic for the Pocket 4k.
The Fs5 with odyssey raw recorder stays lightweight and is extremely good. 240fps continuous! Use phantom lut and you are close to an 4K 60 Arri Alexa...
Close to Alexa? I'd like to see some cover for that claim. I mean, I can get far more decent skin colors with BMPCC4K than any Sony I've used ever and still the BM isn't even close to Alexa.
@@eliteextremophile8895 this was before a guy put hundreds of hours to match the fs5 to alexa. just take a look... I know people who haven't sold their fs7 just because of this luts... I am also very impressed by the luts... vimeo.com/285488208
@@chrisr1241 the fs7 luts are good, but the fs7 is nothing compared to the c200. I shoot everything raw now to cfast cards, getting cheaper all the time.
@jonathan I believe that. The c200 is an amazing camera with superb autofocus as well but it is too big for me. I am always on the road with my fs5 and 7q raw recorder and the form factor is just better for me. When you add a proper field monitor to the c200 it is also heavier...Don’t get me wrong I tested the c200 and it is the better camera overall... but then variable nd on the fs5 is just a dream...
@@chrisr1241 That variable ND is probably my favorite feature on ANY camera, and it almost justifies all of the FS5's shortcomings. What we need is an FS5iii with 60p 4k and the new color science available across the different profiles. THAT would entice me. I never gave the FS5 and recorder a fair shot, but I believe your assessment.
Thanks for this video, I really needed someone to confirm this. Do you think the size of the sensor is a problem? Thanks.
Not at all
@@FlashFilmAcademy Thanks! What lenses do you use?
Rafael Cardenas I don’t think so. With the proper Metabones adapter, you get even sharper images and full -frame coverage plus 1-2 extra stops. I feel like I am shooting full frame with my setup.
Liquid Lens Photography thanks
Love shooting with the Pocket 4K its such a beast of a camera. All the codecs are just amazing
As a BMCC owner, the insights in this video is beyond real talk. I also realized that the majority of issues I had with the camera was user error. The footage this camera produces is still boss-level. That Pocket 4k has some nice updated features I need. Debating whether I should get a Pocket 4k or just wait for the dust to settle on the UMP G2. I have seen an A/B test and the BMCC 2.5k footage matched the Pocket 4k.
Pocket 4K and UMP G2 are two different cameras for different needs, I think. Portability and one man band are the key for the Pocket. Also, the Pocket 4K is much user friendly than the old BMCC 2.5k. And BRAW is really a BIG BIG thing. It's amazing, the quality and the file size. I never thought I would shoot 4K but now I am shooting 4K BRAW instead of 1080 Prores.
Dude! You just helped me make up my mind. I'm selling my fs5 and getting the black magic. Thank you.
I was wondering if you could answer a question. I currently have the A7sii and was planning on selling it when the A7siii is announced. I've gained a lot of experience with shooting cinema quality video and color correcting and grading images so I was wondering if you think it would be smart to sell the A7sii now and buy a pocket cinema camera instead. My only worries are A.) The much smaller sensor will be hard to deal with and will limit my lens options B.) The A7siii might be a huge step in the pro-sumer market and will end up outshining the pocket 4k. I would love to hear any opinions since you have experience with both brands.
Once the a7siii is anounced the a7sii market will be dead in the water. Only because it's such a huge upgrade in image quality, codecs, bit depth/rate and battery life. Sell your camera asap. The Bmpcc4k will more than hold you. It offers 12-bit NOW when we're still praying we'll get 10bit from the new camera. The color science is so good! I had micro four thirds all wrong it's a GREAT lens system that can adapt to almost any lens mount. (Other than e-mount yet). Plus you should have NO problems moving a BMPCC4k in a year.
@@FlashFilmAcademy Thanks for the advice! My endgame is ultimately the A7siii due to the familiar s-log workflow and the ability to use it as a still camera but I might get the pocket as an intermediate since I can't be without a camera. Thanks again!
These are alll of the reason why i bought the BMPCC years ago with the prores raw. i loved that camera.
After watching THIS video, you just made up my mind on buying the bmpcc 4k. I'm getting one ASAP! Thanks!
I’ve thought about this for the past few days and while you are right about almost everything I had to consider shooting outside. The FS5 electronic ND filters are amazing when shooing sports outside. It’s hard to give that up. But as I think about the key points about bit rates, colors and the old sensor you have me sold. I’m just not sure the BMPCC 4K is right for me. It could be, I’ll see if I can get a rental and see how I like it.
What's a ND filter on bad image quality
I dig your content man. The business owner content that gets more specific to niche is something I’m seeing more of and love it.
Great video! You should consider the Sigma 18-35 1.8 w/Speedbooster. If you search you can find how to set back focus on the speedbooster and make the Sigma 18-35 parfocal. Seems like you'd dig that. I think you'd have some serious fun with adding that to your toolbox. Plus it's considered one of the sharpest lenses out there and you'd also have and 18, 24 and 35 in one lens.
I have that lens! Perfect
I love the honesty in this video. You're attitude is very refreshing and it's fun to see someone clearly excited about their new gear. I just purchased an URSA Mini G2. Enjoy the camera!
Just found your channel today and subscribed cause you sound like a very honest and knowledgeable person.
Image quality could be very subjective; some older cameras can produce better images than newer ones. Some people prefer the "look" produced by the BMD Cinema Camera 2.5k over the Ursa Mini. There is something about the Arri Alexa, Panasonic Varicam and Blackmagic cameras that is hard for people to pinpoint but that they like when they see it. It's sometimes called the "Mojo" or "Special Sauce". For some reason the image quality from the Sony FS5 never wowed me. I've seen more pleasant images from the a7iii/a7Riii.
I agree
I still dig my FS5. I shoot for TV ads so 10 bit 1080 is fine, and the 4K looks good, even graded. I love the form factor. I came from a Sony EX1, so the FS5 was a natural evolution. I do have a GH5 too for when I need to go light, or I'm shooting home movies. That electronic ND is BIG man... BIG! I doubt they will put that in the A7Siii. I wish that feature would start getting implemented in more cameras. I'd pay 8 grand for an FS5 with 10 bit 4K60 Prorez RAW, and a stabilized sensor.
yeah to me, the fs5 is meant to be shot 1080 for the 10bit 422. if you want 4k get a recorder or an fs7.
Wonderful presentation....and not sponsored by BM! I am a still photographer (although, as a teenager, I was apprenticed as a cinematographer) and what really interests me most about this camera (and I have ordered one) is that it recognises the synergy between still photography and cinema ie one frame becomes many. The work one does on a still now becomes possible with this camera and Davinci Resolve and it makes one think about what is in front of the camera rather than who is behind the camera and that is the origins of film making.
Hello, I am a new subscriber and I'm going to school at Full Sail University for Cinematography. Your title caught my eye cause in October is when I get my video camera which is a Sony FS 5 MK II now I use Final Cut Pro as well. And I also have Davinchi Resolve on my computer still learning about all the software lots to learn. I just wanted to introduce myself to you. And I will definitely follow you from here on out take it easy. Cory J.
I went to full sail as well
@@FlashFilmAcademy Well very cool in that case I'm glad to meet you and I Hope That I can do as well as you.
Just subscribed. Great job explaining.....everything. I got mine last week. Can't believe how simple the learning curve was. First time Davinci Resolve user as well. Very intuitive. Looking forward to more of your videos.
Running Black Magic cams myself (Ursa Mini Pro + Micro Cinema) and when people ask me about it I answer: look at how many of their flagships (Ursa Mini Pocket Cinema) are sold used? Says it all. Salute, man. Nice honest video.
I'm ready to go after the newest URSA...even while picking up this BM pocket...have you got a tech-spec sheet on how you've got your URSA working and videos samples?
@@markgeorgeff9816 My set up goes the whole way: Ursa Mini Pro + SSD recorder + Shoulder mount + Viewfinder. Fair amount of money but worth every cent to me. Actual footage wouldn't do any good since its common ENG work (rec 709 bullcrap). What I absolutely love about the Mini Pro is the menu. You don't have various profiles like with most other manufactures where every profile skips some options. Like when you go for windowed sensor (needed to avoid the black circle when using lenses designed for smaller sensors like the broadcast stuff = B4 mount which I use) I think ALL other companies restrict you codec wise in that mode - not Black Magic. Only when you go for high frame rate the sensor WILL BE windowed with the Ursa. Having the option to change mount and run any whatsoever lens manufacturer was a major point for me. Adjusting backfocus with the shim kit for the B4 lenses was some hassle but ... not enough not to do it. :)
I usually don't go above 1080p and with the high-end codecs you get with the Ursa there's no worries. All the stupid 4K babbling is worthless anyway. Made a test and zoomed in in post about 300% and didn't got any quality loss worth worrying about thanks to ProRess HQ or Black Magic Raw. Having SSDs is also very comfortable.
Would have liked to show some real footage but some pigshit Win10 update for some reason wracked my external drives and corrupted all data.
Did some nice shot filming Psilocybe Larvae with a scarcely lit stage, few lights (all white) and some fog. Looked pretty cool but that is lost now. :(
Let me know if you need some more precise info.
@@corneliusdobeneck4081 Hi Cornelius, take your hard drives to a professional shop that has the know-how to recover data. Also plan to insulate your PC from voltage spikes. Finally we all need to back up, back up and back up!
Great points. I feel the same way. I love my a6500 but after it shut down three times due to overheating on my last job i purchased a BMPCC 4K. Already off the bat I’m loving the easy menus.
Man, I went the SAME exact route as you. I was shooting with A7S II and FS5 II. Sold both, bought an A7 III & a6400 for Photo + BTS Video (nice to have ability to AF on a tripod as a BTS video cam) but now shoot with P4K as my main shooter. No regrets at all.
Couldn't agree with you more. I bought the BMPC4K two weeks ago and it's a really great "CINEMA" camera as you have said. Compared to my GH5s(W/ the Ninja V), the BMPC4K has a more pleasing look at 60p and 24p. BRAW just works! I tested the C-Fast against the SSD USB-C and the C-Fast works at every speed and compression ratio....NICE! I'm still testing Davinci and it's a learning curve but it is one of the best features of this purchase. For the price, I plan on getting a second one soon...Great video, keep up the good work.
Resolve is awesome, once you get used to it ;)
Exactly the video that I needed.
Im feeling the same way about my production style, so I was considering jumping from a C100 mk1 to a FS5.
I really like slow motion and stuff, but everything you said is very real
"THOSE GUYS ARE BRINGING IT" and "Marry your lenses, date the bodies" just for those 2 sentences it was worth it watching this video!
You killed it! Your style is right on the mark and your pro video experience (and smooth easy but focused content) is something that many youtube influences just can't match. I'm a non-pro selective video for serious fun planning to move to A72 not quite ready to invest the time to learn Divinci Resolve & color grading ... yet but I'm 100% sold on Blackmagic when the time comes.
Maan!! This channel is so good that, I do not know how this channel does not have 250mil subscribers! I really liked the sincerity that you put in your videos. Won a fan for life!
You don't know how much that means to me!
Really solid breakdown. My only issue was when BMD announces a camera- you can't actually buy it till almost a year later every time. Seriously really comprehensive and covers everything I would want to know.
yeah...i've had probs with upgrades...they're not as bad as they used to be rushing tech out to the marketplace in too soon BETA stages...and then when we bitch to BM about the bugs, etc., they start working on fixes.
Finally a logical review of the BMPCC4K. Get down bro. I appreciate this review. Thanks. Everybody always reviews it comparing to, like you said, a video camera,. It’s frustrating watching them. You’re hit the nail on the head, no cinema camera comes shit. So thanks
"You wake up one morning, bam beta 3 out, I'm like oh snap lemme get it"
Haha sick review!
Here’s how the camera game goes:
-Canon EOS M50 $500
-Panasonic GH5 (great for run&gun, shitty high ISO)
-BMPCC4K $1.300 (1.89x crop, not great for run&gun best for under 2.000)
-Panasonic GH5s $2.300 (best video cam for under 10.000 bucks, reliable, great high ISO, great image especially in Log, good codecs, multi-aspect sensor 1.89x crop with native 4:3 with 2x anamorphic support)
-Canon C300 mk.II $10.000 (Does it all: narrative, run&gun, good low light, amazing body with build in NDs, great codecs, usable AF)
All of these cameras, other than the M50 can take XLRs without to much of a hustle.
After these camera we’re talking studio narrative films so you’re looking at Alexa’s or cellulite film.
And remember all cameras after the GH5 are so good that they don’t define the look anymore the artist does.
I absolutely love the blackmagic cameras. I don't mind the extra work in the color tab.
I'd love for you to do a comparison between the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema 4K and URSA Mini Pro 4.6K G2. *WILL YA?*
If I can get a g2
@@FlashFilmAcademy : Someone out there will lend you one for such a comparison. Right? ... Time for someone with a G2 out there to pipe up and volunteer! :-)
Blackmagic is 20mins from my house...yet you can buy the camera cheaper in the US...but gotta say BM are doing Australia proud..BOOM💣💣💣
Lol yeah they are one of my favorite companies
Yep. The FS5M2 prices will drop into nirvana as soon as the A7s III gets released. Maybe one point, why they held back the A7s III so long (beside always having something new in petto to put into the A7s III). But its also a chance - If you WANT to go for the FS5 Mark 2, wait until the A7s III gets released ^^. Especially, as the A7s III is (for sure) not coming with the nice vari ND of the FS5 variants. Beside the XLRs, longer runtime and better controls thats the only difference anymore (soon) inbetween the system camera and the FS5 / FS7 class.
"Marry the lenses date the bodies!".... I love it!
haha loved that one
Great video. Moving bodies... this is the game we're in.
I'm new to your channel, seconds away from course. I'm an adjunct film professor... my class is official! And now things are different, money was never great but that wasn't the goal. I'm new to BM6kPro, its pretty good.
Only halfway through and no dog in this fight but I have to say I'll listen to anyone who talks about the mix of features found in a particular piece of gear and asks you to think about what's right and wrong about it for you. I have zero time for people who just want to be fanboys or sharpen their claws on the 2.5 slight flaws in something. Like bit depth-if it matters to you and your clients, then fine. If getting the look you're going for requires log, then fine. Me, I'm a one-man band and I work on my light, lenses, and great color science off the shelf, all in the service of the storytelling. Curious about this camera at best but I like the way you think. SUBBED. : )
Good video, in my opinion, the FS5 is not really portable with compared to other camera's with better performance. That said, why not use the A9 or A7iiiS? Yes they do cost a bit more than the BM pocket, which is a excellent camera, but you could retain your Sony investment.
Would A9 or A7iiiS make it possible to achieve true cinematic images? They look a bit more video-like to me. Am I wrong?
You really seem to have some high hopes for the A7SIII. I seriously doubt that it's going to have an internal ND and I think expecting it to produce anything more than (maybe) 10 bit is very optimistic.
I've talked to Sony a few times. They have a game changer up their sleeve. Their worst fear is to drop the ball like Canon did after the 5d mk2 when it comes to video.
I never thought about FS5 prices after a7s III. great point.
Couldn’t disagree more about all the other Sony cameras vs the FS5 Mkii for image quality. You may be using yours without an Inferno but that’s the only way I ever record anything with mine and I will say that the FS5mkii with the atomos inferno is miles past the A6300 or any of the A7cameras in every category except low light. The skin tones, overall color, highlight rolloff, file gradability, slow motion capability and overall X factor look/feel of the image is so much better it’s laughable. I look back on shoots I did with an A7s mkii which is basically unusable in SLog3 because the shadow noise, and the image is completely hit or miss, the way it renders color is terrible. If you’re in a well controlled scene you can get it to a good place but I always felt like I was fighting it to get there. With the FS5 mkii, the color accuracy is incredibly spot on, skin tones come to life I think for the first time ever, better than canon cameras and if you ever tried shooting a commercial project in cdng the image quality is jaw dropping. I’ve shot a ton on the Canon C300/100, EVA 1, GH series, A7 series, and the FS7 mki and ii. The best overall cameras of that bunch, the ones that are great to work with and produce great images are the FS5mkii with a shogun, and the canon Cinema cameras followed by the FS7’s. The FS5 mkii and Shogun has the best slow motion options of the bunch. 240fps continuous in 2k, 60fps continuous in 4K, and 120fps bursts in 4K and you can shoot any of those in 12 bit raw in cdng, pro res raw, pro res, or DxhHr. The EVA 1 beats the FS5 mk ii and Shogun on paper in some categories but I’ve shot the two side by side and I personally prefer the image from the Sony. Not to mention the EVA sucks to work with in a lot of ways, especially going to 60fps, it’s a 3 step menu process. That’s just embarrassing.
Now, being one who recently bought the black magic pocket 4K. I have to say the image is better than any other camera on that list. I also prefer using braw files over any other file type now. It’s amazing what it can do, absolutely amazing. It has made me wonder if I should do the same thing and sell my FS5 to get a couple black magic cameras. Maybe an ursa mini pro? I’m not quite there yet, as the black magic pocket has its own drawbacks that the FS5mk ii and Shogun compliment really well.
Thanks for your video and the time you put into it, you make a lot of great points.
It’s so true, I remember shooting LOG on my A7SII coming from the Canon 5D was a very difficult adjustment because grading and exposing properly was a totally different workflow, and a more professional/manual process at that. This is definitely a professional’s tool, albeit an extremely affordable one.
I'm new to all of this, and I picked up a BMPCC AND A lumix G7. I want to master the BMPCC and upgrade to the 4k after a year or so and sell the one I have now. Love the picture
I am really interested in Davinci Resolve. I am retired and do video for a hobby (UA-cam and some documentary projects). My budget can't get me into high-end cameras, but after working with the free version of Resolve, I am going to buy the license. It is a really great product, especially for it age. I think it will add a lot of production value to my documentary work. I would definitely try a BMPCC if I get a job that pays it off. I think it is the bargain camera of the century.
The TexPat in Saigon you’re in the right direction . This company will take over the market
For its age??? It is less than a year old and gets updated about once a year with major additions and revisions! You also can’t beat what it can do for the price.
Pros use DaVinci or Media Composer, YT hacks and amateurs use Adobe
This is the first video of yours that I've watched but it won't be the last. You're a young, knowledgeable pro! Thanks for the very informative video. Keep em coming!
Thank you brother, I was torn between choosing the GH5 or BMPCC 4k but after hearing your honest opinion, I realized that I LOVE color correcting & grading even though I still shoot with my crappy Nikon D5300 w/kit lens. When I'm done sharpening my skills I will move on to the BMPCC 4k for sure! Keep up the good work!
Just bought a BMPCC 4k and used your video as a primary resource for research. Thanks, man.
Only thing I dislike with the P4k is that most of the DR is in the low end. Sony I always slightly ETTR, P4k I slightly ETTL and underexpose to protect hi-lights. even with highlight recovery, it can clip sooner than you expect, even with zebras on.
Love your enthusiasm bro! If i was not already convinced that this camera has to be my next major upgrade I sure would be now. Grant and his guys are true disruptors, I look forward to the videos on your setup and your recommendations for accessories, peace out ✌
You spoke well. Tell me your opinion. I'm thinking about to upgrade my gear because i will go for hire me to shooting weddings.and i'm thinking about for sony a7iii and bmpc 4k. wich of 2 you recommend me?
How does the BMPCC do with talking head interviews when the subject is bobbing and weaving (like they always do)? Shall I magically pull focus while engaging with my subject? Should I hire a focus-puller and pass the cost on to the client? Shall I lock down to f11 and try not to ask myself why I'm not shooting with my trusty XF705? Enquiring minds want to know.
"Marry the lenses, date the bodies". Yup! Im on a vintage lens kick at the moment. Got a bunch of Takumars, and Russian glass that I'm getting all hot over.
I love milf Glass lol
My film school sent me a FS5 MkII. However, now that I am no longer in school I would like to move on to something different. Problem is I simply don’t know where to sell it. Any ideas?
I sold my on Facebook market place
Agreed, I'm Canon photographer, but more and more clients are asking for videos, it's like 60% of my clients now, and canon don't hold it with eos r, like you said, good strait off the camera, but not good enough....and I'm reallly looking to exchange the 5DMKIV for BMC.
SUBSCRIBED! This is the first video that I have seen 2mins 33 secs in.... I can't stop laughing! Great vid! Thanks for sharing!
I'm right there with you man! I have had mine for a few months now and love it! Try using some vintage lenses and to get a more cinematic look. You won't be disappointed! I been shooting with the Jupiter 9 85mm on this camera and the results are spectacular! :)
I've had my eye on a Blackmagic PCC and I think after watching your video here is time to make that jump, thank you.
Thanks for the great video. My main concern is if I should invest in the pocket (including metabones+ v mount) or just wait a little longer for the UMP G2. I'll probably keep my A7S's for wedding work, but for feature work, BM is looking like a solid option rn.
Great video, smart, good info. Our company has been shooting weddings with the A7Sii for years now and we need to upgrade. With no Siii in sight, the BMPCC is definitely on my radar, and seems to be a obvious choice over the FS5 to maintain a small profile and mobility.
great advice man, thanks for sharing that, I'm definitely one of those dudes that loves the AF on my A9 so maybe the BMPCC is not for me but I'm dreaming of working with braw, I have been seriously thinking about the black magic, i am really curious to see what the specs of A7siii will be. I'm going to wait for the A7siii as i have invested a lot in sony glass.
Great video!!! Timely and touches on every thought a fs5 user is secretly thinking
Lol so true
what lens should i buy to go with this camera? I only have on sigma for cannon 17-50mm i paid around $300 for and i'd like to use it but i looked up an adapter it was $600. so I think i should just buy something else. Please help!
Interesting comments. Personally, I hate the form factor of all of the "small" cameras, and would never be able to get past that with the pocket camera. Glad you're happy with your choice, though, and I can't argue with the results.
Great video. Also - Check out the Nikon Z6 with 10 bit and 12 bit raw and super IBIS. I have the A6500 and the Z6 video quality blows the A6500 out of the water.
I did a video on those camera at NAB
If you do mainly corporate videos, why would you need Raw? Id think the FS5 with it's efficient codec is more suitable for your type of video shooting.
Dude---you are amazing and hilarious! I am glad that I discovered your channel. I have two BMPCC4Ks and love them. Similarly--I am going to sell my FS7 to get the Ursa Mini Pro 4.6K G2 to make the switch. The BMD guys are on their game.
This video helps many people who are struggling to make a decision a lot!
I am one of those people.
Although I'm an a6300 user and guessing between the a7III, the BMPCC4K and the Z-Cam E2, this review is crystal clear and honest to the bone.
Thank you very much, man.
I would argue the best camera is the one can "straight out give the best image"
which indeed in my opinion, ARRI Alexa can pretty much straight out give you the best image you could get from any other camera system.
I’ll be getting the pocket soon for sure, I’ve already got a fully rigged out Ursa 4K and I’m happy out with it but be nice to have same thing but smaller form factor
Great video... I currently run the FS5 with the A6500... not sure I’m ready to give up the built in ND just yet... however looking forward to more from you with the BMPCC 4K... have mine on back order... just such a pity I can’t adapt all my Zeiss Batis glass!
Hello. I also use my fs5 with the a6500 and when I shoot slog3 (in HD), the 6500 footage is significantly less sharp and clear than with fs5. Have you noticed something similar? I can't figure out the reason. What's more, I use zeiss prime lenses on my 6500 that should be even sharper than the 18-105 kit lens
this is exactly the same things I find myself explaining to the clients every time they ask for "cinematic" images ......
"Guys this camera is NOT for you...."..... hahahahah... thank you .. I probably going to save your video and let you speak for me
Thanks for sharing your deep knowledge about other cameras and the BMPCC 4k. The best in-depth review about the BMPCC 4k, thanks I truly appreciate it. I have learnt more about this camera today from you Flash and sure I didn't make a mistake to order the BMPCC 4k, besides I did own the BM Production 4k until I sold it out to a partner in anticipation of a much versatile new camera. Yes my new BMPCC 4k needs rigging up, with a cage, T5 SSD, new DTap cable. I will use the Lanparte battery and Vmount that I own, the NTG4+, of course, I will need the Mini-XLR. I will update on the setup when I get it all together.
Great video. I think you should check out the E2 cam that can do 120fps in 4k for 2000usd. Its a great price to performance while having a cinematic look.
Yeah I've seen it and played with it at NAB