Honestly I think part of the problem is they made the price so cheap that they've attracted an audience that really isn't ready for true cinema cameras. After rigging up my GH4 like a cinema camera, running old lenses, external preamps and external recorders, everyone said, "Buy a GH Panasonic:" I hate it, hate it, hate it!
The latest bmpcc 6k sucks .. sure it has great image quality, good low light abilities, great color science, 12-bit RAW formats, 6k resolution, high frame rates, affordable price point, and good dynamic range ... BUT it doesn’t have dual pixel autofocus combined with IBIS like the GH5 .. what was Black Magic thinking? I’m joking of course.
Lol you definitely had to put “im joking” cause that would of triggered wayyyy too many people. For anyone wondering Ibis fucks up image flares btw and autofocus cant read your mind as to what you want in focus
I did a shit ton of research when I was trying to decide which camera to buy and I finally decided on the BMPCC 6K knowing full well that I was getting a camera that was designed for filmmaking and that it wasn't designed for photography. I don't regret my decision at all. The camera is great.
The whole reason i bought a BMPCC4K (after i used two BMPCC's) was the image quality and being able to control your whole image in post production. I love the endless possibilities in colorgrading even with multiple LUTS and layers without crushing the footage. The BMPCC was the first camera i bought. A lot of people told me it was headache for a beginner, but i really didnt care. I loved the image quality and that was where i was going for. I was willing to sacrifice my mental health and sanity to achieve those images. Within a year i made enough money to buy a BMPCC4K. I shoot all my client work on it now. From coorperate, to wedding video's and music video's. The BMPCC4K can be used as a run and gun camera. It just needs a bit more patience and strategy to control your environment. That is why i always bring lamps and reflectors with me. I wouldnt trade it for the world.
MCinsayno Sounds great! Any tips on finding clients/first projects? I recently got mine and already did some work but want to get more experience and find clients :(
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! I HATE when people complain that Blackmagic cameras don't have auto-focus. CINEMA CAMERAS DON'T HAVE AUTO-FOCUS!! LEARN HOW TO PULL FOCUS PEOPLE!!!
I used the touch screen focus a lot on my new BMPCC 6K in a music video shoot recently and it worked great. I think maybe some people don't know about that feature.
I agree with you but there’s a lot of people out there who want a hybrid camera with cinema video quality so they can make their run and gun short films look amazing. And I get that these people shouldn’t be looking at cinema cameras, I totally agree with that. However we’re all just waiting for something like the a7siii and hoping that it has that cinema quality with all the benefits of having a hybrid camera. I’m talking about extra raw but a compressed raw where it already has distortion corrected and Sony’s low light algorithms with noise reduction. I’m talking about internal Electronic ND filters, fast and accurate auto focus, really good stills capabilities, etc.
BozDuke13 yes but thats why the pocket 4k literally has “cinema” on its name. Everything is manual and perfectly freely for people to do all sorts of things. Videographers should understand that shit if they have brains
As soon as you said "Things they would not complain about if they knew what a cinema camera is" I knew autofocus, image stabilization and battery life would come into play. Spot on.
Thank you! You finally said what a lot of UA-camrs don't even know because they're not really "film" makers. They are content creators! Smart and clear! You have a new fan! Cinema cameras are not made for run and gun! Thank you Blackmagic for the battery slot!
This video is fantastic. So articulate. It basically sums up my frustration with people on facebook and forums crying about the camera and treating it like a video camera or DSLR. I waited a long time after it came out, and did a lot of research before pulling the trigger. And I love it. I don't treat it like a DSLR and was prepared for the rigging required, and it serves me fantastic. But the key is knowing what you're getting into and if it's right for you...and in fact it does what it's intended to do very well. Once you understand its capabilities and limitations, I'd even argue it DOES do well in uncontrolled situations, but you have to understand the tools you need to make it work in a wedding environment the same way that people who shoot weddings on RED cameras do.
You are totally right. A lot of people complaint about its poor battery life and not having a flip screen. They don't realize what they bought is a cinema camera not a mirrorless camera. You have to rig it up, buy an external monitor and V mount battery in order to use a cinema camera. Maybe the form factor and price make them think they are buying a mirrorless camera. My BMPCC 4K just arrived a few days ago and Im loving it so much. Great video!
This video is officially going to be my explainer for cinema cameras for anyone who complains about it not having camcorder features. Thanks for sharing the insights.
wow.. i usually steer away from UA-cam for gadget reviews as I just don't trust their reviews, almost all of them. We need more people like you here on UA-cam
The reasons that you gave are exactly why I bought the BMPCC4K, having owned hybrid cameras primarily for stills photography. I evaluated all of those points and that reinforced my decision to get the BMPCC4K. It still surprises me that even on dedicated video/video camera forums, there are still people complaining about the lack of hybrid camera features on cameras such as the BMPCC4K.
Thanks for this. Unfortunately so many people are into specs and trends so they will buy it anyways. I've always asked myself "What's the best camera for THIS SPECIFIC job?" That's the best question to ask
When I bought the G7 I knew the autofocus was bad, but I knew the goal was to get a black magic or another cinema camera so I was like, dont need it, need to practice focus pulling and control my environment, lighting as best I can, those things you are forced to learn which is the route I want to take
Damn you need more followers. People are subbing to UA-camrs who actually compares a7iii to bmpcc 6K like it’s in the same class. Might as well compare a fully featured Honda Accord to an low end Ferrari. That’s what they’re doing.
Great video sir!Many people do not understand the difference between a video camera and a cinema camera!Hopefully this will educate the masses who complain about autofocus and IBIS on a cinema camera!
Lots of terrific points here. The focus comments are spot on...there are times where focus or the ability to direct focus is what makes a take because it helps tell the story and direct the attention of the audience. 🎥👊🏽👍🏽
I recently bought 6k g2 as my first cinema camera. One thing I noticed is that I was so spoiled by many convenient features from Hybrid. But once I shoot BRAW and learn the workflow, man I never complain my G2 anymore. It was worth it in every way.
It's always good to remind ourselves that it's been only a few years since a serious ENG camera became reasonably priced. A Sony Betacam 25 years ago was $30,000.
Just ran across your video, recently purchased a BMPCC 4K rigged it out, also purchased an ATEM Mini PRO. Your explanation of what a cinema camera is as compared to DSLR Mirrorless and video cameras was excellent. I almost sold my Nikon to help purchase my BMPCC glad I did'nt, I have both. I watched a video comparing the BMPCC to a Sony Mirrorless and another Mirrorless camera with a different perspective.
Dude! Thank you! Right on point, and thanks for keeping it real. It’s hard to find real advice that is based on real life hard experience in the field that is relevant. Keep it up bro!
I literally got my BMPCC6k in yesterday and was contemplating on returning it for a video camera due to all of the extra money I will have to dish out to get it started. But after seeing this video, it helped me understand what’s needed and that spending money is all apart of owning a cinema camera. I feel more comfortable now with buying additional accessories. Thanks for this video!
I completely agree! I watched a lot of youtube review on bmpcc 4k and I hate it when they say the body suck, the battery suck, it cannot do vlog because it does not have a flip-out screen. For god sake, it’s a cinema camera. Stop comparing it to a vlogging dslr camera. It is for making movies, commercials and documentaries. For blackmagic I like it that they only focus their energy on how to get the best image out of their camera as possible rather than dividing their energy and time on making better battery, and better body design. And comparing to Red & Arri Alexa the price range for this bmpc is unprecedented!
This video is perfect, I'm going to share it a lot. I have this conversation every time someone asks me if the BMPCC is right for them. There's a huge amount of misplaced criticism of the pocket cinema cameras.
I love the pocket’s image quality, and came close to almost upgrading to it after watching reviews in youtube. But your video ultimately explained why i shouldn’t switch to it. It would be overkill for us since our niche is simple docu-style work for nonprofits. And they’re not very demanding in terms of image quality. All the additional equipment the pocket needs won’t make our work easier either. Thanks for this informative video!
I just want to add one note, rigged up Arri and Red cameras don't live on a tripod, they live on a dolly. It's much faster to move that 50-100lbs around than an O'Conner head and sticks. Great video!
Love how real you are about how it sounds to pros when people talk about autofocus - the reality is that most people who learn about cameras gear do so from popular reviewers who make videos for fast turnaround content online, and thus their needs center around speed and accessibility! I know this because I am one of those viewers LOL. It's easy to forget that the amount of high end working cinematographers and videographers is proportionally tiny compared to the actual viewer base :) Great distinctions between the 3 major branches of video!
I have to say, as an owner of a BMPCC 4K, I have to disagree about the battery life. I don't think it's MEANT for hot swapping, I think it's meant to give you as many options for powering the camera as possible, with the added benefit of being able to hot swap a proper battery. Same reason there are so many options to record to, Blackmagic just really cares about the people buying their cameras. But yeah, totally agree with pretty much everything you said, and my god I'm a fan of this camera, haha.
I originally came here to hear someone trash talk and roll my eyes. But I’m glad you said the real deal Holyfield. I just bought my Pocket 4K yesterday, and I knew what I was getting into and was tired of reading and watching people complain about autofocus, battery life, and how much stuff you need to buy. I love my GH5, but I’ve spent more money to make it more like a BMPCC 4K, so I decided to make the GH5 my B-Cam and buy the Blackmagic.
The first cam I used was a ENG cam with NO FOCUS ! BetacamSP era, the 90's Now I heard there's a BMPCC4K adapter for the Canon constant aperture zoom lens I used back in the days for an ENG camera. I wonder if the glass is good enough for 4K DCI res. ?
Great video! I'm in the middle of switching from being a hybrid shooter only to a cinematographer with a cinema camera. The idea of modular is very new to me as I am so used to good battery life and good auto focus on my Canon DSLRs. Great explanation to help people like me get a real understanding of the differences.
Great video man, I'm currently getting all my gigs done with my a6500 and Atomos Ninja Flame and working on mastering Slog 3. Hoping to make the jump to the pocket 4k someday and your videos have helped a ton!!
Thanks for a great explanation about the difference between cinema and hybrid cameras. I bought the BMPCC 6K after watching your UA-cam videos. I look forward to watching a lot more stuff form you. Have a great day.
I guess every now and then there is the need to address this. When BMPCC 4K was public I remember reading and/or hearing comments complaining about, as you said, things like the screen, the battery, the lack of autofocus. It was like Blackmagic did that on purpose in order to make people upset: «why didn’t you put this or that feature?». I mean, for some of those decisions there is at least even a technical reason, as for the fact that the battery lasts 30/40 minutes for example. That said, I guess the keyword here is in fact the one you kept repeating on this video: «modular». I’m not a pro but I still feel like I’m stating the obvious here but it strikes me everytime how today, with so many channels at our disposal, we struggle nonetheless in order to get our info right. I think is cultural: we see the quality, then we compare it to the price and voila... we pretend the learning curve to be as “inexpensive” as the money we spend for the gear. It is something I myself need to re-address often since I’m a son of this Age as well: work, work and work. Thanks for the content.
I agreed with 99% of the things talked about here. The 1% I disagree is the Continuous Auto Focus. This technology has improved substantially and I believe it will eventually replace that focus controller guy or gal. Because there are functions to lock and track the focus you want, so you don't have it change focus and hunting something else. The days of manually marking your focus and keeping track of distances will be a thing of the past, once they past down some of the amazing CAF technology from Sony's top end cameras (or general improvement to this field of technology) to cinema camcorders. With an extremely fast continuous autofocus tracking (i'm talking milliseconds) and locking subject/object in place, you can more easily do run and gun action shoots for chase scenes; actors popping in and out of depth; but still maintaining that crisp focus due to tracking that's only possible by the cpu on the camcorder and impossible with hand movements. Single touch/click Auto Focus *IS* trash and really only useful for setting focus and not used during recording. In short, imo, cinema camcorder should start to embrace and implement industry acceptable standard for CAF. Such as the CAF has to pass that quality test.
If you're the type of filmmaker that looks at an Arri Alexa and wonders why it has so much crap attached to it, this camera is not for you. Get a GH5. This is a dedicated cinema camera for filmmakers. It's impractical, expensive to setup, and just plain amazing. If you want run and gun and convenient stabilization, buy a GH5. Also Fuji and Black Magic still have the best color short of Arri/Red, which I can't afford and surely you can't afford either most likely =). So if you want a much better color profile than what the GH5/5s can offer, but you're on the fence about this then, get a Fujifilm XT3 and slap it on a gimbal. Better than in body stabilization anyways.
I made the mistake of purchasing an a7iii last year for the purpose of making short films. Only later have I come to realize that I made the mistake of listening to dozens of positive reviews raving about it's capability from vloggers on youtube making mostly cinematic travel videos, rather than those focused on film. I'm now selling off my a7iii, and two e-mount lenses to get a BMPCC 6K and some Canon glass. Your insight is much appreciated, my dude.
I just bought the Original BMPCC. I'm rigging it out and its awesome. I just reather use my black magic and save my money later on to get the E camera that just came out. As I'm saving money for that I can buy all the lenses the speed booster the monitors I'm thinking about getting a Ninja V later on this way I'll have everything when I upgrade. Love you're channel. 🤘😎
AMEN BRO!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!! Thank you for providing people with a detailed explanation of the VERY CLEAR differences between a DSLR, Video, and Cinema Camera. It gets really frustrating when people complain or post a bad review on a camera that was NEVER built for what they think it was built for. I tell people all the time, if you’re going to work in an industry KNOW YOUR CRAFT AND THE TOOLS. Great video bro!!
This is why I bought a Fuji X-T3 instead of a black magic 4K to start filming. It has great video features can record up to 4.2.0 10 bits internally or 4.2.2 10 bits external all in 4K DCI in 24, 30 & 60 FPS. And their lens park is pretty nice and they also have dedicated cinema lenses. And it doesn’t hurt it’s a good still camera ;)
This was perfect.. Great explanation of what a cinema camera really is... Does seem to be a LOT of whining on BMPCC sites about all of the things you mentioned... Thanks for the explanation!
Speak on it man. Thank you for sharing the full break down on the differences in these two worlds. They all have their place but cinema is called that for a reason indeed! Props and prosperity brother.
I shoot weddings and got a second shooter to help with one, he filmed a load of b roll stuff and when reviewing the footage, the focus was terrible. Hunting back and forth all over, never occurred to me that he’d use it to the extent of what he did and not manual focus. Lesson learnt!
I liked this (thumbs up) at the very beggining because I know this is gonna be an awesome talk! ... 30 minutes later... It was a great talk indeed. Thanks!
correct but u cant blame someone for wanting everything, for example if i had the money an i bought a RED or ARRI i would love for them to have auto focus, because even if u don't want to use it, its still an option... the camera that's going and WIN is one that can do everything... which is very possible in the future..
No camera can do everything. Like no car can do everything. However if your skilled enough to have the ability to purchase a racecare you're not going to complain about the radio.
@@FlashFilmAcademy "No camera can do everything" (Yet)... back a few years, no one would of though a Still camera could do video, or a cell phone can do both, that's the point of ingenuity... "you're not going to complain about the radio."... does not mean the company cant put in one... the point of humans complaining is about improvement...
if you understand what business is, if you could rent an equipment and only needs 1 person to fully operate it, verses needing to hire 2 or more person... does not matter how rich u are, cheaper cost means cheaper cost once the job can get completed in the same time or better, how ever since we know auto focus is not 100% there yet its understandable than u would need to hire a focus puller...
You really can't complain about the BMPCC. It's an insane camera with it's own RAW codec and you get the best color grading application there is for FREE!. Also blackmagic released an update so you can edit and grade your braw footage in premiere. It is WAY to cheap for what it really is, trust me.
Great points that no one is talking about, awesome video! I love the Black Magic cameras, perfect for those of us looking to move past the DSLR/mirrorless cameras and get into the cinema world...I would be interested to hear your opinion on the Nikon Z6 seems to be a nice crossover camera for people who run and gun.
This a great video and it explains in detail what you are buying, and what you should be buying according to who you are and what you film. I don't need to say much because this video explains it all.
semi-professional filmmakers carrying a clunk of metal that requires 200 accessories and handling by 50 people in a laboratory to work: "I tell you, image quality is superior"
Bro, you are amazing! So much deep info, so much honest appraisal, and passion to go with it. It has taken me a long time to choose the camera to go with, and believe me I have done the research. But sir, this was like university class on this camera and its competitors. The decision has been made, it will be a P4k. Will be following you closely for all you have to offer. Well done and thank you!
I love this video. My only issue is when you talk about cinema cameras not generally having great battery life. Just take a look at the Canon Cinema series. They all have a place for small batteries (BP-A30 or A60) that can give you anywhere from 120 mins to 240 mins of battery life. I have 2 and have never needed to purchase v-mount batteries. Just my experience. Love the rest of the info though!
Thing is.. i think the market will eventually make hybrids closer to if not equal to cinema cams. Thats how things are looking in my opinion. People want the best of both worlds these days.
Dope Video bro. Didnt even finish watching it yet but wanted to make this Comment. You got a very easy to understand delivery explaining lot of things that need Clarification! Its true there is a lot of education needed bout these differences in Photo, Video and Cinema cameras.
Great video thanks for this. I just ordered a BMPCC 4K with a Sigma Art 18-35 on a Metabones 0.58 speedbooster and it'll arrive in 3 months they said. I researched for months and months for the right camera for my style and this is perfect you basically comfirmed everything nicely for me. The one thing that stuck out though is the RAW format you were talking about. I want to shoot in RAW of course that is one of the reasons I went this route, do have any videos on how to add it to your workflow? I knew about the lumetri but then you mentioned other things to take in to account. Would love to learn more about that while I am waiting for the camera to arrive! Thanks again!
I get about an hour from my battery with my Red if I am really lucky. That is with a battery that you could fit almost 16 batteries that fit inside the Blackmagic pocket 4K.
Good stuff man, all the way from Scotland, loving your work and I'm waiting on my BMPCC 4K ordered from CVP Glasgow so can't wait to get my hands on it and start building it up in sure I'll be coming back here a few times for some of your pointers on rigging my BMPCC 4K. Thanks man, and keep up the good work 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Great video, HOWEVER, I'll be the one to state this, there IS room to compare these cameras to Sony's AR series and other hybrid cameras. There IS NOT however reason to complain because of the very fine points you mention in this excellent video. The truth is technology is reducing these gaps and offering what Cinema makers need in a low priced photographer's camera
The irony is if the BMPCC 4K cost 10k, no one would complain about the 'missing' features or battery life.
Honestly I think part of the problem is they made the price so cheap that they've attracted an audience that really isn't ready for true cinema cameras. After rigging up my GH4 like a cinema camera, running old lenses, external preamps and external recorders, everyone said, "Buy a GH Panasonic:" I hate it, hate it, hate it!
Black Warrior Lures agree, these people are mad spoiled brats but I’m glad there is still people that understand how this works
It's consumerism, lol
The latest bmpcc 6k sucks .. sure it has great image quality, good low light abilities, great color science, 12-bit RAW formats, 6k resolution, high frame rates, affordable price point, and good dynamic range ... BUT it doesn’t have dual pixel autofocus combined with IBIS like the GH5 .. what was Black Magic thinking? I’m joking of course.
hahahhaha
Im weak lmaooo
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Lol you definitely had to put “im joking” cause that would of triggered wayyyy too many people. For anyone wondering Ibis fucks up image flares btw and autofocus cant read your mind as to what you want in focus
Damn! almost friendly fired!
I did a shit ton of research when I was trying to decide which camera to buy and I finally decided on the BMPCC 6K knowing full well that I was getting a camera that was designed for filmmaking and that it wasn't designed for photography. I don't regret my decision at all. The camera is great.
The whole reason i bought a BMPCC4K (after i used two BMPCC's) was the image quality and being able to control your whole image in post production. I love the endless possibilities in colorgrading even with multiple LUTS and layers without crushing the footage.
The BMPCC was the first camera i bought. A lot of people told me it was headache for a beginner, but i really didnt care. I loved the image quality and that was where i was going for. I was willing to sacrifice my mental health and sanity to achieve those images.
Within a year i made enough money to buy a BMPCC4K. I shoot all my client work on it now. From coorperate, to wedding video's and music video's. The BMPCC4K can be used as a run and gun camera. It just needs a bit more patience and strategy to control your environment. That is why i always bring lamps and reflectors with me.
I wouldnt trade it for the world.
MCinsayno Sounds great! Any tips on finding clients/first projects? I recently got mine and already did some work but want to get more experience and find clients :(
Does the BMPCC4k work on a gimbal? I always heard the form factor didn't fit
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!! I HATE when people complain that Blackmagic cameras don't have auto-focus. CINEMA CAMERAS DON'T HAVE AUTO-FOCUS!! LEARN HOW TO PULL FOCUS PEOPLE!!!
Yesss!!!!!!!!!
They want just a toy.. No one want to learn cinematography.. Just play with toys and put to internet their stupid videos..🙈
Don't forget IBIS.......lolol
I used the touch screen focus a lot on my new BMPCC 6K in a music video shoot recently and it worked great. I think maybe some people don't know about that feature.
Amen, you can tell the people who have worked with real cinema cameras and those who are videographers.
Everybody starts somewhere regardless...lets not down nobody
I agree with you but there’s a lot of people out there who want a hybrid camera with cinema video quality so they can make their run and gun short films look amazing. And I get that these people shouldn’t be looking at cinema cameras, I totally agree with that. However we’re all just waiting for something like the a7siii and hoping that it has that cinema quality with all the benefits of having a hybrid camera. I’m talking about extra raw but a compressed raw where it already has distortion corrected and Sony’s low light algorithms with noise reduction. I’m talking about internal Electronic ND filters, fast and accurate auto focus, really good stills capabilities, etc.
agree
BozDuke13 yes but thats why the pocket 4k literally has “cinema” on its name. Everything is manual and perfectly freely for people to do all sorts of things. Videographers should understand that shit if they have brains
As soon as you said "Things they would not complain about if they knew what a cinema camera is" I knew autofocus, image stabilization and battery life would come into play. Spot on.
Thank you! You finally said what a lot of UA-camrs don't even know because they're not really "film" makers. They are content creators! Smart and clear! You have a new fan! Cinema cameras are not made for run and gun! Thank you Blackmagic for the battery slot!
This video is fantastic. So articulate. It basically sums up my frustration with people on facebook and forums crying about the camera and treating it like a video camera or DSLR. I waited a long time after it came out, and did a lot of research before pulling the trigger. And I love it. I don't treat it like a DSLR and was prepared for the rigging required, and it serves me fantastic. But the key is knowing what you're getting into and if it's right for you...and in fact it does what it's intended to do very well. Once you understand its capabilities and limitations, I'd even argue it DOES do well in uncontrolled situations, but you have to understand the tools you need to make it work in a wedding environment the same way that people who shoot weddings on RED cameras do.
You are totally right. A lot of people complaint about its poor battery life and not having a flip screen. They don't realize what they bought is a cinema camera not a mirrorless camera. You have to rig it up, buy an external monitor and V mount battery in order to use a cinema camera. Maybe the form factor and price make them think they are buying a mirrorless camera. My BMPCC 4K just arrived a few days ago and Im loving it so much. Great video!
You killed it. I own a Red, A7SII, GH4 and Canon 5D and everything you said is spot on.
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Tom Antos prefers to use his GH4 instead of the RED for many reasons and I am starting to agree with him.
This video is officially going to be my explainer for cinema cameras for anyone who complains about it not having camcorder features. Thanks for sharing the insights.
wow.. i usually steer away from UA-cam for gadget reviews as I just don't trust their reviews, almost all of them. We need more people like you here on UA-cam
The reasons that you gave are exactly why I bought the BMPCC4K, having owned hybrid cameras primarily for stills photography. I evaluated all of those points and that reinforced my decision to get the BMPCC4K. It still surprises me that even on dedicated video/video camera forums, there are still people complaining about the lack of hybrid camera features on cameras such as the BMPCC4K.
Thanks for this. Unfortunately so many people are into specs and trends so they will buy it anyways. I've always asked myself "What's the best camera for THIS SPECIFIC job?" That's the best question to ask
When I bought the G7 I knew the autofocus was bad, but I knew the goal was to get a black magic or another cinema camera so I was like, dont need it, need to practice focus pulling and control my environment, lighting as best I can, those things you are forced to learn which is the route I want to take
Damn you need more followers. People are subbing to UA-camrs who actually compares a7iii to bmpcc 6K like it’s in the same class. Might as well compare a fully featured Honda Accord to an low end Ferrari. That’s what they’re doing.
Mango Steel I wanna see now a UA-cam vlogger make that comparison 😂 Honda VS Ferrari
hey this Ferrari doesn't have blind spot detect and the gas mileage is 5 mpg wtf Ferrari lololol
It's more like comparing a BMW 7 to a low end Ferrari
They do it because it’s fun to watch, it’s not meant to be taken seriously
Mango Steel agree
Just based on the title I wanted to come here and trash talk - but you nailed.
This was PERFECT!!! Thanks for making this information approachable and easy to understand for someone just starting out!
Great video sir!Many people do not understand the difference between a video camera and a cinema camera!Hopefully this will educate the masses who complain about autofocus and IBIS on a cinema camera!
Lots of terrific points here. The focus comments are spot on...there are times where focus or the ability to direct focus is what makes a take because it helps tell the story and direct the attention of the audience. 🎥👊🏽👍🏽
I recently bought 6k g2 as my first cinema camera. One thing I noticed is that I was so spoiled by many convenient features from Hybrid. But once I shoot BRAW and learn the workflow, man I never complain my G2 anymore. It was worth it in every way.
Currently trying to see how to not depend on af I can only film on sticks with the g2
Finnally someone talked and explained
It's always good to remind ourselves that it's been only a few years since a serious ENG camera became reasonably priced. A Sony Betacam 25 years ago was $30,000.
here what you also need to know: Update 7.9 bricked my BMPCC4K. any suggestions?
Just ran across your video, recently purchased a BMPCC 4K rigged it out, also purchased an ATEM Mini PRO. Your explanation of what a cinema camera is as compared to DSLR Mirrorless and video cameras was excellent.
I almost sold my Nikon to help purchase my BMPCC glad I did'nt, I have both. I watched a video comparing the BMPCC to a Sony Mirrorless and another Mirrorless camera with a different perspective.
Dude! Thank you! Right on point, and thanks for keeping it real. It’s hard to find real advice that is based on real life hard experience in the field that is relevant. Keep it up bro!
Real talks. People who are buying these camera need to be informed, and you are making it easier for them.
I literally got my BMPCC6k in yesterday and was contemplating on returning it for a video camera due to all of the extra money I will have to dish out to get it started. But after seeing this video, it helped me understand what’s needed and that spending money is all apart of owning a cinema camera. I feel more comfortable now with buying additional accessories. Thanks for this video!
I completely agree! I watched a lot of youtube review on bmpcc 4k and I hate it when they say the body suck, the battery suck, it cannot do vlog because it does not have a flip-out screen. For god sake, it’s a cinema camera. Stop comparing it to a vlogging dslr camera. It is for making movies, commercials and documentaries. For blackmagic I like it that they only focus their energy on how to get the best image out of their camera as possible rather than dividing their energy and time on making better battery, and better body design. And comparing to Red & Arri Alexa the price range for this bmpc is unprecedented!
People are surprised you have to rig it out but the 4K rig is like $2000-2500. That’s DIRT cheap for a cinema camera.
This video is perfect, I'm going to share it a lot. I have this conversation every time someone asks me if the BMPCC is right for them. There's a huge amount of misplaced criticism of the pocket cinema cameras.
Your content is amazing! But what I love more is your striking passion when you speak. Simply incredible. Keep it up!
I just bought my BMPCC6K, with a full kit. I'm excited to get to work.
I love the pocket’s image quality, and came close to almost upgrading to it after watching reviews in youtube. But your video ultimately explained why i shouldn’t switch to it. It would be overkill for us since our niche is simple docu-style work for nonprofits. And they’re not very demanding in terms of image quality. All the additional equipment the pocket needs won’t make our work easier either. Thanks for this informative video!
I just want to add one note, rigged up Arri and Red cameras don't live on a tripod, they live on a dolly. It's much faster to move that 50-100lbs around than an O'Conner head and sticks. Great video!
Love how real you are about how it sounds to pros when people talk about autofocus - the reality is that most people who learn about cameras gear do so from popular reviewers who make videos for fast turnaround content online, and thus their needs center around speed and accessibility! I know this because I am one of those viewers LOL. It's easy to forget that the amount of high end working cinematographers and videographers is proportionally tiny compared to the actual viewer base :)
Great distinctions between the 3 major branches of video!
100% correct Sir!
Finally somebody with the truth in his voice! I salute you.
I have to say, as an owner of a BMPCC 4K, I have to disagree about the battery life. I don't think it's MEANT for hot swapping, I think it's meant to give you as many options for powering the camera as possible, with the added benefit of being able to hot swap a proper battery. Same reason there are so many options to record to, Blackmagic just really cares about the people buying their cameras.
But yeah, totally agree with pretty much everything you said, and my god I'm a fan of this camera, haha.
Amazing point about the purpose of the battery being for changing batteries mid-shoot!
This was very eye opening. Thank you for posting.
I originally came here to hear someone trash talk and roll my eyes. But I’m glad you said the real deal Holyfield. I just bought my Pocket 4K yesterday, and I knew what I was getting into and was tired of reading and watching people complain about autofocus, battery life, and how much stuff you need to buy. I love my GH5, but I’ve spent more money to make it more like a BMPCC 4K, so I decided to make the GH5 my B-Cam and buy the Blackmagic.
The first cam I used was a ENG cam with NO FOCUS ! BetacamSP era, the 90's
Now I heard there's a BMPCC4K adapter for the Canon constant aperture zoom lens I used back in the days for an ENG camera.
I wonder if the glass is good enough for 4K DCI res. ?
Great video! I'm in the middle of switching from being a hybrid shooter only to a cinematographer with a cinema camera. The idea of modular is very new to me as I am so used to good battery life and good auto focus on my Canon DSLRs. Great explanation to help people like me get a real understanding of the differences.
i Like when people know what they are talking about ... subscribed !
I did the same thing based off this video alone.
I appreciate the info so much coming from someone who is looking to buy a camera and has no previous experience. thank you 🙏🏼
“WhERE’s ThE AuTOFocUs???”
“WHY DoeSn’T It CoLour GRade ItSeLf???”
“WhY DoeS IT DIe sO FasT on The BatTerIes???”
lol true!
Man, I love your channel!!!!!! 💪 My man always speak the film truth
I'm watching this a year after it was released... Still, I must say this is one of the best videos I've ever seen on the subject! Thanks.
I love the way you make thinks clear for even amateur to understand
Great video man, I'm currently getting all my gigs done with my a6500 and Atomos Ninja Flame and working on mastering Slog 3. Hoping to make the jump to the pocket 4k someday and your videos have helped a ton!!
Thanks for a great explanation about the difference between cinema and hybrid cameras. I bought the BMPCC 6K after watching your UA-cam videos. I look forward to watching a lot more stuff form you. Have a great day.
Thanks for your support!
I guess every now and then there is the need to address this. When BMPCC 4K was public I remember reading and/or hearing comments complaining about, as you said, things like the screen, the battery, the lack of autofocus. It was like Blackmagic did that on purpose in order to make people upset: «why didn’t you put this or that feature?». I mean, for some of those decisions there is at least even a technical reason, as for the fact that the battery lasts 30/40 minutes for example. That said, I guess the keyword here is in fact the one you kept repeating on this video: «modular». I’m not a pro but I still feel like I’m stating the obvious here but it strikes me everytime how today, with so many channels at our disposal, we struggle nonetheless in order to get our info right. I think is cultural: we see the quality, then we compare it to the price and voila... we pretend the learning curve to be as “inexpensive” as the money we spend for the gear. It is something I myself need to re-address often since I’m a son of this Age as well: work, work and work. Thanks for the content.
I agreed with 99% of the things talked about here. The 1% I disagree is the Continuous Auto Focus. This technology has improved substantially and I believe it will eventually replace that focus controller guy or gal. Because there are functions to lock and track the focus you want, so you don't have it change focus and hunting something else. The days of manually marking your focus and keeping track of distances will be a thing of the past, once they past down some of the amazing CAF technology from Sony's top end cameras (or general improvement to this field of technology) to cinema camcorders. With an extremely fast continuous autofocus tracking (i'm talking milliseconds) and locking subject/object in place, you can more easily do run and gun action shoots for chase scenes; actors popping in and out of depth; but still maintaining that crisp focus due to tracking that's only possible by the cpu on the camcorder and impossible with hand movements. Single touch/click Auto Focus *IS* trash and really only useful for setting focus and not used during recording. In short, imo, cinema camcorder should start to embrace and implement industry acceptable standard for CAF. Such as the CAF has to pass that quality test.
If you're the type of filmmaker that looks at an Arri Alexa and wonders why it has so much crap attached to it, this camera is not for you. Get a GH5.
This is a dedicated cinema camera for filmmakers. It's impractical, expensive to setup, and just plain amazing. If you want run and gun and convenient stabilization, buy a GH5.
Also Fuji and Black Magic still have the best color short of Arri/Red, which I can't afford and surely you can't afford either most likely =).
So if you want a much better color profile than what the GH5/5s can offer, but you're on the fence about this then, get a Fujifilm XT3 and slap it on a gimbal. Better than in body stabilization anyways.
Good points.
Very well said! Keep up the good work.
I made the mistake of purchasing an a7iii last year for the purpose of making short films. Only later have I come to realize that I made the mistake of listening to dozens of positive reviews raving about it's capability from vloggers on youtube making mostly cinematic travel videos, rather than those focused on film. I'm now selling off my a7iii, and two e-mount lenses to get a BMPCC 6K and some Canon glass.
Your insight is much appreciated, my dude.
Is it from matti haapoja?
You speak the reality of this subject. You speak the hardcore truth. What you say seems so obvious but people need to hear it.
I just bought the Original BMPCC.
I'm rigging it out and its awesome.
I just reather use my black magic and save my money later on to get the E camera that just came out.
As I'm saving money for that I can buy all the lenses the speed booster the monitors I'm thinking about getting a Ninja V later on this way I'll have everything when I upgrade.
Love you're channel. 🤘😎
AMEN BRO!!!!!! Yes!!!!!!!!! Thank you for providing people with a detailed explanation of the VERY CLEAR differences between a DSLR, Video, and Cinema Camera. It gets really frustrating when people complain or post a bad review on a camera that was NEVER built for what they think it was built for. I tell people all the time, if you’re going to work in an industry KNOW YOUR CRAFT AND THE TOOLS. Great video bro!!
This is why I bought a Fuji X-T3 instead of a black magic 4K to start filming.
It has great video features can record up to 4.2.0 10 bits internally or 4.2.2 10 bits external all in 4K DCI in 24, 30 & 60 FPS.
And their lens park is pretty nice and they also have dedicated cinema lenses.
And it doesn’t hurt it’s a good still camera ;)
Nothing beats Braw right now
FlashFilm Academy I will get a BMPCC 4K or 6K when I’ll be more trained into filming.
This was perfect.. Great explanation of what a cinema camera really is... Does seem to be a LOT of whining on BMPCC sites about all of the things you mentioned... Thanks for the explanation!
I am banging my head trying to figure out what gimbal/stabilizer to get for the 6k. New to all of this.
Ronin S
Excellent as usual. A good consumer is very well informed consumer.
I like your videos, you have a "warm hug" personality.
hahhahahha thanks
Speak on it man. Thank you for sharing the full break down on the differences in these two worlds. They all have their place but cinema is called that for a reason indeed! Props and prosperity brother.
I shoot weddings and got a second shooter to help with one, he filmed a load of b roll stuff and when reviewing the footage, the focus was terrible. Hunting back and forth all over, never occurred to me that he’d use it to the extent of what he did and not manual focus. Lesson learnt!
Yeah, I hate these hybrid cameras. It's like half the camera I don't even use.
It's about time someone 'splained these differences. thanks!
big help I think this will be a very challenging choice for weddings since we use 2 to 6 cameras for wedding cinematography
I liked this (thumbs up) at the very beggining because I know this is gonna be an awesome talk! ... 30 minutes later... It was a great talk indeed. Thanks!
correct but u cant blame someone for wanting everything, for example if i had the money an i bought a RED or ARRI i would love for them to have auto focus, because even if u don't want to use it, its still an option... the camera that's going and WIN is one that can do everything... which is very possible in the future..
If you have money for an Arri you have money for a focus puller 😅
No camera can do everything. Like no car can do everything. However if your skilled enough to have the ability to purchase a racecare you're not going to complain about the radio.
@@FlashFilmAcademy "No camera can do everything" (Yet)... back a few years, no one would of though a Still camera could do video, or a cell phone can do both, that's the point of ingenuity... "you're not going to complain about the radio."... does not mean the company cant put in one... the point of humans complaining is about improvement...
if you understand what business is, if you could rent an equipment and only needs 1 person to fully operate it, verses needing to hire 2 or more person... does not matter how rich u are, cheaper cost means cheaper cost once the job can get completed in the same time or better, how ever since we know auto focus is not 100% there yet its understandable than u would need to hire a focus puller...
You really can't complain about the BMPCC. It's an insane camera with it's own RAW codec and you get the best color grading application there is for FREE!. Also blackmagic released an update so you can edit and grade your braw footage in premiere. It is WAY to cheap for what it really is, trust me.
Ive recently upgraded to the bmpcc 4k from a canon xc10 and I love it! when I look back on the older footage I don't love any of it lol
The C series(100 mkii, c200, 300) Canon Cinema Cameras have great battery life. However, I get your point.
Great points that no one is talking about, awesome video! I love the Black Magic cameras, perfect for those of us looking to move past the DSLR/mirrorless cameras and get into the cinema world...I would be interested to hear your opinion on the Nikon Z6 seems to be a nice crossover camera for people who run and gun.
This a great video and it explains in detail what you are buying, and what you should be buying according to who you are and what you film. I don't need to say much because this video explains it all.
semi-professional filmmakers carrying a clunk of metal that requires 200 accessories and handling by 50 people in a laboratory to work: "I tell you, image quality is superior"
I have a BMPC4K which is my movie camera. I use an old Canon 600d for my UA-cam channel. It is horses for courses.
Bro, you are amazing! So much deep info, so much honest appraisal, and passion to go with it. It has taken me a long time to choose the camera to go with, and believe me I have done the research. But sir, this was like university class on this camera and its competitors. The decision has been made, it will be a P4k. Will be following you closely for all you have to offer. Well done and thank you!
Is there any reason you would recommend getting the 4K over the 6K? Besides the price?
Haha this is perfect! To those who complain about the wrong thing take a seat because CLASS IS IN SESSION! Solid stuff man!
This was incredibly valuable! Thanks for caring.
I love this video. My only issue is when you talk about cinema cameras not generally having great battery life. Just take a look at the Canon Cinema series. They all have a place for small batteries (BP-A30 or A60) that can give you anywhere from 120 mins to 240 mins of battery life. I have 2 and have never needed to purchase v-mount batteries. Just my experience. Love the rest of the info though!
Thing is.. i think the market will eventually make hybrids closer to if not equal to cinema cams. Thats how things are looking in my opinion. People want the best of both worlds these days.
AMEN!!!!!!!!!!! these vloggers and videographers be complaining about amazing cinema gear🤦🏾♂️.
Your videos look very dark on my iPhone X, but the intro looked properly exposed? Unless that’s a style choice?
On my Samsung galaxy s9+ to.
Dope Video bro. Didnt even finish watching it yet but wanted to make this Comment. You got a very easy to understand delivery explaining lot of things that need Clarification! Its true there is a lot of education needed bout these differences in Photo, Video and Cinema cameras.
For those at the back... Mo-Du-Lar!
Great video thanks for this. I just ordered a BMPCC 4K with a Sigma Art 18-35 on a Metabones 0.58 speedbooster and it'll arrive in 3 months they said. I researched for months and months for the right camera for my style and this is perfect you basically comfirmed everything nicely for me. The one thing that stuck out though is the RAW format you were talking about. I want to shoot in RAW of course that is one of the reasons I went this route, do have any videos on how to add it to your workflow? I knew about the lumetri but then you mentioned other things to take in to account. Would love to learn more about that while I am waiting for the camera to arrive! Thanks again!
Yup, whenever I watch a video titled "things wrong with the BMPCC 4K" and the first thing they say has to do with autofocus....*facepalm*
Thinking about adding a 6k or 4k, so torn right now! What to do?
I get about an hour from my battery with my Red if I am really lucky. That is with a battery that you could fit almost 16 batteries that fit inside the Blackmagic pocket 4K.
Thank you for this video, explained plain and simple.
Great info. You’re becoming one my new go to channels to watch in a very short time. Keep up the good work.
Good stuff man, all the way from Scotland, loving your work and I'm waiting on my BMPCC 4K ordered from CVP Glasgow so can't wait to get my hands on it and start building it up in sure I'll be coming back here a few times for some of your pointers on rigging my BMPCC 4K. Thanks man, and keep up the good work 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
This is the video that I always needed! Thank you so much for explain every difference!
You're awesome. I appreciate the way you explain everything. Very education. Two thumbs up!
Great video, HOWEVER, I'll be the one to state this, there IS room to compare these cameras to Sony's AR series and other hybrid cameras. There IS NOT however reason to complain because of the very fine points you mention in this excellent video. The truth is technology is reducing these gaps and offering what Cinema makers need in a low priced photographer's camera