the spice lets the spacing guild successfully navigate because they trip balls on it so hard it lets them see into the near future and steer between the stars before they reach them 👍
Was I the only one that just assumed if it was needed by navigators to go ftl (essentially) that it had to be a drug of some Kind ? Otherwise it would be talked about like a fuel
One thing I like about the book is how when Paul fights Jamis, he doesn’t know how to attack quickly because he has only trained to fight opponents with shields. He has to adapt because while he can defend very quickly, his attacks are planned to be slow enough to pass through a shield even though they aren’t wearing them. I just feel like not enough people mention this.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 he wasn't just trained by Duncan and Gurney, but also by his mother Bene Gesserit, that means he is also a master of the Weirding Way, and yet he had a very hard time against Jamis. its something that the movie doesn't adapt well, its not that he is afraid of killing Jamis, is that his training is all about extremely fast defense and slow attacks, meaning he could easily repel Jamis attacks, but had a very hard time hitting him. the way he defeats Jamis is basically by seeing through his prescient that he was going to switch his blade from one hand to another and use it as a opening to finally hit him. if you read the book its all there, EXCEPT all the inner monologues that make sense of all that is happening and all the lower level play as Jessica and Paul try to manipulate the freemen and each other by carefully choosing their words and actions. for example, when Jessica says "he never killed anyone", she is only saying that so no one realizes his weakness about his training.
@@danilooliveira6580 "the way he defeats Jamis is basically by seeing through his prescient that he was going to switch his blade from one hand to another and use it as a opening to finally hit him." Absolutely not. In both the book and the film the fight itself to Paul was a hidden nexus. He could die or he could live but the encounter itself was hidden to him. The knife hand switch was a warning given to him by Chani which he was wary for. As far as the fighting style, in the book his shield reactions were ingrained on both attack and defense. While his defense was fast it was also tuned to take advantage of the knowledge a shield would be there to aid in his defense. This is something Jessica saw in the fight and if Jamis had recognized it he could have taken advantage of it. In the film they had the first exchange where Paul asked if Jamis would yield. In the book he drew blood while in the film he simply held Jamis at knifepoint and vulnerable. The effect was the same. From that point on the film stressed more Paul's reluctance to kill Jamis with the implications of that killing and the jihad it brought closer, than the shield conditioning. I actually think that worked very well in for the film. The build up where Paul had seen possible futures with Jamis as a friend and teacher drove home the cost that was weighing on Paul should he take Jamis's life. The focus on ingrained shield reflexes could easily be handled in the next film, in the time after the fight with a brief comment from Jessica to Paul about being aware of his conditioned reflexes. I would not be surprised for Villenueve to include that but I would expect no more than a brief passing mention of it as part of the ongoing story.
@@kennethfharkin you are right, I got confused because I remember Paul mentioning his prescience during the fight, it was because of Chani's warning and Gurney's teachings about keeping an eye on the knife and not the hand that he could exploit the opening. but the problem of saying its because he was afraid of killing Jamis is that he wasn't exactly hesitating to kill him when he needed to even if he was weary and the visions were getting in the way, hell, he even exploits Jamis fear as Duncan taught him. I mean, the only reason Jessica says what she said and Paul confirms is because she didn't want people to think he was being needlessly cruel with Jamis and didn't want people to know his weakness, during all that time Jessica was trying to create a legend for Paul after all. the thing is, in the movie it works perfectly like in the book, except we are not seeing what is going on in their heads to know their intentions. so either because he was afraid of killing Jamis, or Jessica was trying to make sure people didn't think he was being cruel while protecting his weakness, it works either way. though as someone that read the book I like the fighting style conditioning more, because that shows you how manipulative Jessica and Paul are with the freemen, they are basically playing a long con.
I agree, I think it would be impossible to show naturally in the choreography, I think they did well to show his talent but that it was an unfamiliar fight
50 sins for not understanding that worms cannot travel through stone. If there are rocks, its not worm territory. They can only travel through open sand.
A lot of the sins listed in this are things explained in the book that were either omitted entirely or cut from the film. However, a feel like quite a few listed are explained in the movie or can easily be understood from cues, like the fact that worms aren't everywhere. In the scene in question Paul specifically says to head for the rocks. And they aren't falling in the "freefalling" scene. I saw the movie before reading the book and understood that without issue.
@@TheDalisama Not that it's relevent to Cinema Sins since "The Books Don't Matter." But Worms stake out their own territory which is one reason why they aren't everywhere. They don't hunt in packs.
Sooo.. A gigantic worm that evolved in the sand with so many stones can eat an entire harvester made of metal and all sorts of harder than rock elements, but suddenly a human sized rock is just too much for the worm to finally eat in a lifeless desert?
I’m surprised how many people misunderstood the shields. The shields stop anything moving fast, like bullets. They only let something through under a set speed limit, hence why they use blades… because guns are essentially useless. Combat is less about powerful strikes and more about making an opening and misdirection so you can push a dagger through the shield slowly without being noticed until it’s too late.. (sound familiar?! It’s an allegory for the whole story.) Those darts don’t “drill” through the shield or whatever, they fly fast until they detect the shield, slow down and pass through. But if it’s slow, you can just grab it. So they are razor sharp and spin so you can’t grab it without having a tiny buzsaw cut off your fingers. You’ll notice the bombs do this too, they fall and then slow down at the last second to pass through. It’s a very unique idea that gives us a really cool and different style of combat where everyone is on equal footing and skill and technique make all the difference. It doesn’t matter how strong, or big, or tough you are… you cannot hurt your enemy without the technique and misdirection skill to make an opening and get a slow dagger through before they do. P.S. The shields allow slow things through because otherwise no air would get through, and it would make moving around very difficult if your limbs bounced off each other while you walk.. so the set speed is fast enough that you can move naturally but slow enough that it blocks most projectiles, strikes and impacts. Also, different shields have different limits. Combat shields might have a higher speed limit so the soldiers can move faster, and be more agile without triggering the shield. Imagine trying to run and you accidentally run a bit too fast and your legs repel each other and you plop.. the casual shields that are worn for normal use, like meetings, or the one Harkonen used are set much slower, because you’re unlikely to be breakdancing at a meeting. Make sense? Hope this helps explain for anyone confused. I didn’t cover everything but it’s a cool bit of tech that absolutely makes sense once you understand it.
From what I understand, the show didn't seem to explain it that well, or spend much time on it, causing a lot of the confusion. Seems like it was one of the things that may of gotten cut for time?
Then we see how the shields are useless as every projectile penetrates the shield. Then Giant super lazer and rockets turn everything to ass Lmao. I love dune, but it makes no sense.
The Harkonnens saw Duncan take out 3 of their guys in 2 seconds and they were just like “there’s no scenario where this guy doesn’t get in the thropter, but there is one where he does and we’re alive as well. Take the keys buddy! It’s all yours!”
Yeah i loved that scene because it made the basic grunt soldiers feel more like actual human beings that dont want to get killed just for the sake of glory or honour or some shit like that. Also its fucking badass how Duncan just takes the Thopter because the soldiers just peace the fuck out.
Contrast with the guy who allows himself to be cemented into a wall on the faint hope he MIGHT assassinate someone (was he supposed to assassinate the Duke? The Hark’s were told not to kill Paul but maybe wall-guy didn’t get that memo, lol)
1:59: You missed a sin. When the caption tells you that it's the year 10,191, what it _doesn't_ tell you is that this date reckons from the founding of the Spacing Guild, not the A.D. calendar. So the story takes place not 8,000 years from now, but over _25,000_ years from now. You'll need CinemaSins 27,000 to verify the state of the world. Requiring homework is definitely a sin. Also: Reading.
@@summertyme5748 No more than we need to know that the year is 10,191. But if they feel the need to tell us that, then they need to tell us that 10,191 does not mean what we think it does. What's the point in telling us the year if that year is 17,000 years later than we would expect from what they are telling us? That's double the time they're telling us has passed, plus all of recorded history - _twice._ They could at least say that it's the year "10,191 S.G." Two letters. Or, they could say "25,000 years from man's first flight." Either way, if it's information that needs to be conveyed, then it's information that needs to be conveyed in a manner that doesn't make the viewer get the wrong information.
Well the one he missed is made up for at 3:38, giving sin for the claim that writing the cause of death on a gravestone is uncommon and bizarre. Today it is certainly less common then in the past, but up until only recently (in the history of placing gravestones) writing the cause of death was done for pretty much every single gravestone. I'm certainly going to pace it on mine, it adds interesting detail for people walking around graveyards, for which many do.
@@kingcosworth2643not only that but it was also what he did for sport, his passion so it would be something he took pride in and would have loved to displayed, I assume at least
There’s a misconception that the shield wall refers to the wall of the city, the shield wall is a naturally occuring “mountain” range that blocks off sandstorms and prevents worms from burrowing underneath and passing through, although the movie makes it seem that it’s the city wall
@@gakabler - it’s been a while since I read the books… what name do they use to refer to the actual energy shield that protects the palace/city? it’s shown as the orange boxy thing in 1984, and implied to be shut down by Yueh in 2021…
The ornithopter was not freefalling through the sandstorm. He shut off the controls so that the storm would carry the ornithopter instead of him trying to fight against it. Its the storm itself that pushed the ornithopter up to the 5000 meter mark. 1 sin removed.
My first reaction to that line was that it was obvious foreshadowing... though indeed no one imitates his stride in the movie. Perhaps now in Part Two it happens?
12:09 Those bombs were actually much MUCH older technology in terms of weaponry. It was not standard whatsoever and EXTREMELY expensive, and certainly wouldn't have worked outside of a sneak attack. But the Baron had to make a few sacrifices (AKA spend over 60 years worth of cash) in order to reclaim Arakis for himself. Which, I'm assuming, is what the Emperor wanted, in order to take care of two birds with one stone.
I'm hoping this gets addressed further in the 2nd movie with the Baron and his nephews. One of them tries to have him "wacked" and it fails. He then explains to them how much $$ and effort he put forth to get control of Dune again , even knowing what the Emperor was doing . He was playing the long game , not for himself but that his "house" would be the most powerful in the future. He's a fascinating character. Also, did everyone note that all the Harkonens that serve him look thin and malnurished, while he's huge and eats meals that could serve 6 people? Great detail!!
It was artilery, baron was proud of himself for using it but he had to disable shields in the city because he had a traitor to do that yueh. He hoped that Padishah the emperor would appreciate him for that.
@FemboyHasuno if I remember Rabban asked The Baron if he could keep the Artillery after they defeat the Atriedes forces and The Baron says no that he's going to melt them down for the metal because they had done their job and had no real use for them after that
Paul was trained by Duncan (a Swordmaster of Ginaz), Gurney (a troubadour warrior), Thufir (a warrior mentat), and Jessica (a Bene Gesserit). He’s learned to combine all four styles
@@petarded8529 I hope they include the scene from the book where someone comes to challenge Paul and Chani kills the guy herself because she didn't want Paul's time being wasted on such a loser. LOL ! There's very little humor in the Dune books, but that was hilarious. We got a little of that in this movie when she tells him "don't worry, Jamis is a good fighter , he'll kill you quickly , you won't suffer" I think I was the only one in the cinema that laughed out loud.
I believe the shield protects against basically bullets which would have high velocity which made people go back to using blades which does not have enough velocity to be stopped by the shield. Basically the author's way to explain why swords are used in the future instead of guns. But the books don't matter so...
@@JustSumGuy01 I was quoting the cinemasins motto "the books don't matter" as stated in everything wrong with cinemasins. I have never watched either Dune Movies or read the books and any knowledge I have is because of Lost on Adaptation by Dominic Noble
According to the books they have advanced to the point of laser guns, let alone bullets, but invented shields to protect against bullets and found out if someone shoots a laser at someone wearing a shield the reaction is about the same as an atomic bomb going off .... so they don't do that and went to swords and knives again.
@@josiesbooksandbakes7 uh, you realize that they gender-bendered a character, right? As in turning a male character, whose been male in the book and in the 1984 AND 2000 mini-series, as a female. That was not in the book. This was a stupid version that should never have been made.
@@alyssamorgan747 that was pretty much the only thing that was changed and it changed nothing about the story. It does not matter what Liet Khines' gender is. Stop being a baby.
I just realized… The body shield technology in this movie follows the same logic as Oobleck. If you hit it quickly it stays solid and protective. If you push into it slowly it turns to liquid and doesn’t protect anything.
In reality, that's similar to how Kevlar works. Kevlar is more effective at stopping bullets because they are high velocity with low momentum, while you can still be slashed or stabbed through it (although some are designed to be resistant to blades as well).
@@dukeofthedance8062 uhh no. The Baron was a calculated evil mastermind. Also a pedophile. Imagine also a fat Darth Vader armor look but still agile because the grav tech. The Lynch Baron was a disease ridden creepy weirdo that had heart plugs in his minions. Yeah nah.
@@dukeofthedance8062 back in the day they weren't comfortable with portraying the pedophile aspect. But making him physically sick and disease ridden is not accurate to the character. Dude also again work intimidating armor. Not naked all the time like they portray him all the time.
It's kind of frustrating watching this, knowing everything I know about the books and how Cinemasins got a lot of it wrong (such as how the shields work, or the fact that yes, Jessica and the other Bene Jesserit have the ability to choose the gender of their offspring) but at the same time understanding that that's less the fault of Cinemasins and more the fault of the movie for not explaining it better. I've read the books and loved the movie, but this video really highlights the difference in experience for those who know the books vs those who are completely new to the franchise.
Yeah, I haven't read the book and I only got the shield thing now (deduced the gender part, only way that comment made sense). Tricky balance, as too much exposition can make people feel spoon-fed, and you have to find a semi-natural way to the deliver the info. That's much harder in a movie than in a book.
@@monmothma3358 yeah, a lot of it has to be "show, don't tell" so it doesn't get obnoxious, but people also need a bit of suspension of disbelief to understand that those things are possible in the context of the world of Dune without a deeper dive into details. that is why I think the movie is GREAT for people that already read the books, its a nice adaptation if you know what is going on inside the character's heads and a lot of the exposition. but hopefully we will get a director's cut or extended edition in the future that will include a lot of the cut content.
There's literally no need for the movie to tell or show how they can choose the gender. They are witches with weird powers > Check. They cross genetic lines > Check. The Reverend Mother expected Jessica to choose a daughter > Check. Thats it.
For an explanation, the shield is used to stop guns and slug throws. It stops fast moving objects. That’s why swords are used to heavily for combat and why the swords goes through the shield.
I think when Paul puts the thopter into freefall, they are getting whipped around by the winds, kind of like in a tornado, but way more powerful - I think they mentioned the winds being around 600 km/h? So basically they've been getting bounced around in there for a bit, that's why he's passed out, then they finally get tossed up and out to 5,000 meters, and he's able to use the wings like a glider. At least that's what I got from the scene
Yup. "Free fall" should maybe be "free flight", he could have sung "Let It Go" or "Jesus Take the Wheel" to be more clear he was just not going to control the 'thopter, just letting the wind do whatever it wants to do with them. I just assumed they would float at whatever the wind speed is, like a balloon. In a hot air balloon, you don't feel the steady breeze, you feel the gusts. It seemed pretty logical to me at the time. The sketchy part is the wind can loft rocks of a certain size, I wouldn't expect the 'thopter to be held aloft by it too.
@@mundanestuff I recall the scene being much more in depth in the book. It really explains how he guides the thopter through the winds but without using the engine
@@barence321 Oh ya! I think they mention that name in the movie as well - something like "We chased them into a Coriolis Storm. Nothing could survive that..."
@@dukeofthedance8062 I am a little confused why you would recommend Lynch's film over this one, if your main dissatisfaction came from lack of faith to the original book. Lynch portrayed the weirding way as like, sound guns my man. It got some stuff right but also did entirely its own thing in a lot of ways. I would recommend the sci-fi TV show over both, honestly.
I loved this movie so this was gonna be a tough one for me to watch, but the point about Dr Yueh resonates with me because the film was definitely lacking enough explanation about his character. I understand why some scenes were missing for pacing purposes, but the explanation behind Dr Yueh's betrayal has always felt like a really important part of the story to me.
To a certain extent, I think that Denis Villeneuve trusts that most people who watch this movie already know the Dune back story, or won't get Imperial Conditioning without a lot of exposition. Maybe they made a stab at it and cut the scenes in post.
What I love about Dune duels is that the shield gets relied on. Speed is no longer a factor, control is. Until you get on a planet where shields are useless. Then everything they'd learned is useless. Shield habits get you killed!
that is, if it was portrayed properly. as it is, the shields do nothing really, duncan fights as fast as someone would do without shields, and still goes through enemies shields like butter
@@FreemanicParacusia They don't do a good job explaining in the movie but you can't use lasguns on Shields because they both blow up That's why last guns are used on aracas no sheilds means no threat. The most usefull weapon against shilds are stone burners but those are Banned by the council of Lansrod
@@FreemanicParacusia well the shield is powered by a phenomenon called the "Holtzman effect" and I don't the specifics of it but if a lasgun comes into contact with a shield, it would cause a nuclear explosion
I don't understand those small ships when the villains invaded, they were able to bypass the big ships and blow them up? The whole shield thing got me confused and honestly not so interested. So many scenes of visions and slow scenes, they could have explained the shields better imo.
There were no bagpipes in the book. I guess the filmmakers couldn't wrap their minds around the baliset, which both Gurney and Paul play. Oh, and this takes place 20,000 years in the future, not 8000. The people of the Imperium reckon their calendar as starting the year of the formation of the Spacing Guild, which was 10,191 years previously.
@@Shan_Dalamani It's a stylistic choice, not a "we have no clue" choice. Much like Moulin Rouge used modern music in place of period correct music. Using music the audience would identify with in terms of mood and energy as opposed to what a period correct audience would have identified with allows US to get into the same kind of mood they would have. It's the same sort of thing here. We know what bagpipes mean. We know how they are used. We know the history of them in battle, funerals, etc. So they set the tone for us. A baliset wouldn't do that because what the hell is a baliset anyway? It works in a book because you don't have to hear it or see it. It can be whatever. But in a film, it's different.
@@mycroft16 There's a video of Patrick Stewart playing a baliset. It's a stringed instrument that (to my ears) combines a guitar with some sort of eastern European stringed instrument (as it would, given the context of the novel). So Lynch treated the moviegoers as though we could understand this concept. Villeneuve treated the moviegoers as though they were idiots who couldn't wrap their minds around new ideas. Balisets are played both in the Imperium and among the Fremen (Jamis owned one, which Paul inherits). I'd fall off my chair laughing if it turns out that Paul inherits a set of bagpipes from Jamis. Loud, rhythmic sounds... just the thing to call a worm, or at least deafen everyone else if played inside the sietch...
@@Shan_Dalamani Are u fucking daft? Baliset is the personal choice of instrument for Gurney, he plays it as a poet and bard, hell, there's a deleted scene of Brolin playing the Baliset. The bagpipes are the Anthem of House Atreides who trace there lineage to the Greek king Agamemnon, also where bagpipes were heavily used. Not to mention the weather of the planet Caledan is wet, cold, and very reminiscent of the current UK. Also the name Caledan is the play on the name Caledonia, the Latin name for Scotland. There's a reason Bagpipes WORK, it makes SENSE in the context of the house's history and place.
If I remember correctly, the worms don't swarm the Harvesters because they have individual territories. Worms don't risk fighting another worm unless shields are involved[honestly yeah why don't they make shield decoys] so worms can be slower at attacking harvesters[though it is still only like, 10-20 minutes between each attack in the books]. As for the Worm in the desert, in the book it mentions a specific "trap" that can form in the sand that when stepped on basically does the same thing as a Shield[amplify the steps and subsequent collapse of the naturally occurring trap, basically signaling "Lots of big Tasty Food over this way." Could be slightly wrong though.
It's not so much 'territory' but rather 'vibration'. If Worms feel unusual vibrations within the ground then they go after it no questions asked. It's like blood in the water for sharks. Even an individual running across the land is enough to set a worm off. Heck, a cat walking across Dune could set one off.
@@chadharger9323 But Arrakis is still huge and even if say a cat set a sandworm off, it could end up with the cat leaving the worm's territory or reach rocks before the worm reaches it.
for me it was that and skipping the dinner scene. but I guess they really wanted to keep the mystery of the betrayal, so while in the book it follows Yueh and we know from the beginning what is going to happen, in the movie a different approach is more interesting. though I wish they had shown more of Yueh and the meaning of the emperor's mark, though to be fair that would probably have been a huge red flag about his potential betrayal.
The entire movie lacked character development. As beautiful looking as it is at points, this movie just wasnt very good. No dinner. Lack luster fights.
if I could make one change to the script, I’d add a “dinner scene” on Caladan, after the Change Ceremony, where they sit around and give us some basic explanation of the politics and CHOAM and such, possibly introduce Irulan and Feyd, and give us some info about Yueh and hints at his plight. but in defense of the script as-is, the Atreides were doomed no matter what… if it wasn’t Yueh that betrayed them, the Harkonnens would’ve found another way to destroy them.
Funny that most of the chances they get come from their own ignorance. Stopped watching after a minute and a half. CinemaSins have become just a dumb "entertainment" channel with no depth of intelligence in it.
The fact they didn't give a sin off for the unbelievably amazing sound design makes me sad. But yeah unless you either read the books or had someone to answer all your questions who did I can't imagine how you weren't confused as hell leaving this movie
I liked the jokes about the Guild Heighliner (ovulating? sperming?), but the point of those shots was to show how unbelievably fricking HUGE that thing is. Remember the enormous Imperial ship with the carpet? Compared to the Heighliner it is a tiny insignificant speck. Same for the Atreides and Harkonnen warships. The Guild is the most powerful force in the Dune universe. Nobody messes with the Guild. Not even the Emperor.
Oh, that's not true. One person messes with the Guild. The power to destroy something proves you have absolute control over it. And they do not control the spice...Do they? =3
@@TransientWitch Even Emperor Paul "Muad'dib" Atreides leaves the Guild pretty much alone. If I recall correctly, the Ixians manage to make ships that don't need Guild navigators, but that happens during Leto II's multi-thousand-year reign. I might have that completely wrong. It has been years since I read the novels.
@@barence321 he forces them to agree to his terms, unconditionally...because he threatens their only source of relevance...which is what I was referring to. He told them to halt the attack on Arrakis, and barely addressed Shaddam until he was ready to lay down the terms of his reign as Emperor, and that was mostly to tell Shaddam he would be giving over Irulan's hand and accepting permanent exile to a reformed Salusa Secundus. And that he would give all of his CHOAM profits to Paul as dowry. He may not have done much after that, but he most certainly put the Guild and Imperium in a vice
The Guild’s power lies in their navigators’ control of interstellar travel, not military strength. Heighliners are basically teleporting warehouses, they would not stand a chance against warships.
Aaah, nostalgia. I read this book while driving from California to Virginia in 1975, in a black Dodge Dart without air conditioning. My older sister was doing the driving, my mom and her parents were crammed in the back. I was 14, so not driving yet, but rode shotgun as navigator. There wasn't much for me to do on those several days we spent driving across the Mojave desert on a highway where you could see a perfectly straight road stretching from horizon to horizon. Did I mention it was summer? We got a flat tire outside of Victorville, where it was 110 degrees. I got sun poisoning on my right arm, being on the south side of the car. Anyway, I made it through the whole book in those few days. So, I have a certain personal connection with Dune. And yes, the pace is very, very, very . . . sloooow. (We did stop at every cavern tourist spot we came across.)
To be fair, when this movie was made Dune Part 2 hadn’t been greenlit yet, so they didn’t officially know they would be able to make a Part 2 until after Part 1 had come out.
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1:50 Not to go against the almighty sinners, but Dune is actually set over 20,000 years in our future....the year reset after a galaxy wide war against AI and machines and such....so yeah.....SIN!
It's 10,191 years after the formation of the Spacing Guild. The Butlerian Jihad was a war between opposing ideologies, not literal robots. People who bother to read the Appendices of the Dune novel would know these things.
Yeah, it’s a silly sin for a few reasons, first the shield is good because it stops fast moving objects, wonder why there are no guns? Shields would stop the bullets therefore making them useless. This is obviously not shown because any truly fast weaponry would have stopped being made as soon as everyone got a shield. Second the reason why the shield doesn’t always stop the weapons is because it’s extra effective against untrained soldiers who don’t know how to slow their strike at the right time. Of course most soldiers are able to do this but you still have it for the few times it does block a hit.
Then one easily wonders why they didn't use physical shields too, or spears. Swords have never been a main weapon of any armed melee combat anywhere, they have always been used as backup or compromise. If everyone knows what these energy shields are and how to get around their weaknesses, you'd think that just a single intergalactic faction would have invested resources into mitigating those glaring drawbacks. For all intents and purposes, Dune is just not very well written. It is incredibly expansive, but the details leave a lot to be desired.
Exactly! Like when Duncan was fighting off groups of Harkonnen soldiers, and their panicked blows were too quick so they just skidded off the shield. As an aside-- Duncan Idaho was a _BAAAAD_ man! He not only fought his way out of the ambush while being incredibly outnumbered-- my man killed multiple Sardaukar! That _must_ have hurt their warrior pride... Can't wait for part 2 to see how the Freman do against them!
With regard to the harvester and the worm and how its always attacked: Wasn't it mentioned in the film (maybe even during the dialogue Cinamasins is voicing over?) that there are indeed decoy operations to lead the worm a far distance from active harvesters? Could've sworn that was a thing.
To be fair in those fights scenes the wielded of those blades are so well trained that they are able to swing at the right speed to initiate the killing blow and pass the shields. We can see this when the Atreides are fighting the Harkonnen footmen and it takes a while for anyone to die. Then when the Sardaukar show up they are so damned good that they are able to bipeds the Atreides shields with little issue. And yes I am a nerd
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A lot of these things that “aren’t explained in the movie” I feel are totally fine. The movie gives you just enough information to accept what you’re seeing on screen, and if you’re more curious about how it works, well then hey, you’ve got plenty of answers on the internet from thousands of pages of lore to back it up.
I got a friend to finally get into reading Dune by watching the movie with him because he found the world and story so enthralling he wanted more. I think they did a great job simplifying just enough to make it adaptable into a movie while still preserving the lore and story elements well enough to understand most of what is going on even if you go in blind.
And even if you don't care to deep dive, it's okay to not know everything. I can't make my computer from scratch, I couldn't build my house and get all the electricity, gas, and water going. Do I complain about that, or quietly have an issue with it? No, never once crossed my mind until making this example.
They took old source material and remade a movie to start a series of yearly blockbuster releases. That’s literally the MCU playbook. They even cast a ton of people that are in the MCU. That’s about as Disney as it gets.
Right? I love Cinema Sins, even when they destroy filmes I also love, but this one felt more.... bitter? Not sure, it was the first EWW video that I felt more whiny than fun, it was strange, lol.
@@danielbernini Yeah, there was a video I saw recently about how they pretty much miss the point of most movies and have 0 ability to suspend disbelief, but I’m indifferent
Thank you! I was looking for this comment. I’m all for nitpicking and tearing films apart for entertainment, but come on, not ONE sin off? This movie had so many incredible elements!
As a book reader, I really enjoyed this movie, it’s a very satisfying adaptation! I really enjoy watching Cinemasins on movies I enjoy to see the faults, and the gaps in explanation, that I don’t notice. Plus a lot of the subtle jokes they make at the movies expense are top tier! The glow sphere joke is probably my favorite 😂😂 also the “blooper” jokes at the end were so on point! Nailed this one Jeremy and team!
I loved it, it's honestly one of my favorite movies and not just because of the balls to the walls, pleasure center of the brain tickling that is the music score.
yeah the problem with the movie is that its not a bad adaptations, the problem is that its an adaptation for people that already read the books. if you read the book a lot of it fits and make sense to you, but if you didn't a lot can be easily misinterpreted or straight up go over your head.
@@danilooliveira6580 yeah no doubt, I went into the theater w/o reading the book and I understood the plot and everything, but was confused by some of the nuances such as the way the shields operate or the sort of emphasis on the worms to the fremen religion, or how Duncan Idaho, Paul, and Jessica were able to get out of Arrakeen. It wasn’t until reading the book shortly after where I understood a lot of these things. Herbert explains how for instance their was a planted Ornithopter for Duncan Idaho to escape for instance, or that Lasguns when coming into contact w a shield will cause essentially an atomic-like bomb to go off etc. or that Fremen don’t wear shields bc it is essentially worthless (and also why they have projectile weaponry such as what Paul was aiming when coming into conflict w Stilgar’s sietch). After reading the book, the movie was much easier to follow for those reasons.
This movie is long n slow, but I absolutely loved it. It’s everything I wish they did to the Star Wars franchise instead of trying to make them an MCU franchise.
So true. I hated the new trilogy mostly because there are already so many amazing star wars comics and novels out there they could have used for reference. But disney wanted 2 directors to work on them who put the tone of the movies all over the place. Also, i think the prequels did a fantastic job in showing of many really creative designs of planets and locations, something the new movies lacked completely
it was the same with BR2049. He couldn't come up with sins to criticize the movie for (apart from your typical "it's Villeneuve-slow") so had to invent them
Its just funny, ive loved the Dune universe for 25 years since i got it as a present when i was 15 and im not taking it seriously. Learn to laugh a bit
This movie does not take place 8,000 years from now. It takes place 10,000 years after a Terminator style war against thinking machine's that almost lead to humanities extinction. A new calendar was created after the war. The movie didn't mention anything about it. Honestly the only reason why this matters is because it explains why they do not use computer's in the distant future.
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My two biggest gripes with the movie first it's all the publicity Zendaya did for this movie yet it seems like she's in all of 5 minutes of the movie, and two... the sequel did not get greenlit until after the movie came out, where as other big movies would be filming the sequel while all the post production work is done on the first so you usually have to wait maybe a year to see it, part two however isn't set to START filming until this summer... and damnit don't make me wait like that!
to be fair, the sequel probably would have been filmed directly after the first, if it was a standard blockbuster ala marvel. Because Villeneuve decided to go for a more artsy and slow adaptation while keeping the budget high, the risk was just way to high for the studio to greenlight and film one of the most expensive movie sagas, which could've been a flop.
@@timredlich2170 Oh absolutely it was too much for the studio to give him a check. That said, as a viewer I don't care about silly things like money, I saw another "Golden Compass" where we're left with a partial story and the hopes that it does well enough to finish it in the case of Dune yes it is, the Golden Compass they just dropped it.
Nobody is going to read this but I just have to say it: the Dune calendar is based on the Butlerian Jihad which is already set about 9'000 years in the future, meaning the year 10191 given at the start of the movie doesn't mean much
I'm here to tell you I proved you wrong; I did in fact read your comment and I thought it was interesting. I didn't know any of this and its always nice to learn something new
@@dwiski I had indeed forgotten about this so thank you for reminding me. I'm trying to remember the fun facts I used to know so I can share some strange tidbits in return
So you sinned the movie several times because "the shields don't protect anybody from anything," but then you also sinned the movie for Baron Harkonnen surviving the poison gas attack... which it was explicitly shown that he survived BECAUSE HE HAD HIS SHIELD ON
The Baron survived because he flew to the ceiling. The gas passed through the shield as indicated by the buzz of red around him when Leto breaths out the poison.
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@@dukeofthedance8062 "different race"? When tf was Kynes' color *ever* discussed? And what fucking bearing did him being an implied white man in your eyes ever have on his impact to the story?
@@dukeofthedance8062 Lmao, incels always want to talk spicy but whine when the trolling comes back. You can take apart your little ethnosupremacist fantasy at the seams. Pick 1: 1) Liet-Kynes being Chani's parent is such an inconsequential factor that no one ever mentions it again, let alone even acknowledging the existence of her mother in more than passing 2) By your own logic, casting a dark skinned Afro-Brit as the mother of the mixed race American Zendaya makes even *more* sense, which shows how little your own check boxing does 3) The Zensunni ancestors of the Fremen were inherently a mixed group - right there in the name - so assigning ethnicities to them is dumb 4) The Imperium has a whole mixture of names from a bunch of nationalities pushed together 5) it's 25k years in the future 6) To paraphrase, "something something that blood will be passed to Paul's children." Ok Prince Charles, we know you're mad that the God Empower will be brown 😂 7) There was never any mention of where papa Kynes came from 8) The Fremen have such a range of skin tones that a Spaniard with a touch of makeup plays one
This is great. Dune is one of my favourite books ever so I watched this through a very biased lens. This is basically, "all the shite that doesn't make sense if you haven't read the book". Which probably explains why my gf hated it.
yeah I think that is the biggest problem with the movie, it feels like it was made for people that read the book and already know all the nuances and inner monologues going on.
as someone who hasnt read the book (only know a summary of it) but going into it as a fan of Denis Villeneuves films it was pretty easy tocatch onto the whole story, that being said it is a film that demands your attention the whole time.
I'd never even heard of Dune before this movie came out, and I fucking LOVE how little explanation there is. You get the bare minimum and then you're dropped into Paul's shoes, treated like you already live in this world. Instead of an exhausting amount of explanation, the world is shown to you, you experience it. Dune, parts 1 and 2 now, respect my intelligence as a viewer to pick up on and track with what I'm being told and shown, and that is a bigger and better achievement than almost anything else in the movie.
A lot of these points could be explained by some narrative exposition. But I think a certain film from 1984 has shown us that that isn't always the best idea.
I love the drawn out scenes without much action - paired with the music and sound-design it is filled with atmosphere and a lot of the explanations about the environment from he book are done visually, which I love. The visual and sound design is stunning in this movie. I agree on the very thin description of Doctor Yueh - it is missing so much. I think some sins off for just being an awesome movie, would be in its place, but hey......it's your rodeo and I enjoy the ride every time.
So I had the same problems with the dart used on leto but then I saw the bomb and it seems that the gyroscopic force of the projectile spinning allows for shield penetration. Bullets wouldn't work because they don't have the rotational energy to pierce the shield. They'd be slowed to a stop by the time they made it through. If you look closely at the dart and the bomb however, they seem to have a way to keep up their spinning velocity, allowing them to overload and penetrate the shield.
the term 'rifle' refers to both the grooves inside a gun barrel, and the spin that those grooves impart on the bullet: there is, so that would seem like an odd thing for shields to not be able to account for; mayhaps the dart has a destructible cover tip that slows the velocity to shield-penetrating speed, like a non newtonian gel might (this would also still allow the needle tip to pierce the gel at that speed) (or propulsion/antigrav could work too) bombs and missiles looked like they were all preprogrammed to have a stutter (not that hard, given that we already do something not too similar with nukes, having them detect distance to target and exploding above them for more effect; wouldn't be too hard to make a reverse thrust pulse for getting through ship shields)
It’s not about spinning. The shields only allow something slow to pass through, so a normal bullet would bounce off, but a dagger at the right speed goes through. That’s why they sword fighting, because guns are essentially useless in most cases. The slow knife penetrates the shield. You’ll notice the bombs also fall, slow down and then pass through. The darts fire quickly, detect the shield and slow down to pass through, the spinning has nothing to do with it except they’re razor sharp and basically tiny but saw’s making them impossible to grab. That’s why Duncan used his sword to deflect his, because it would shred your fingers off… the spinning is basically just to buy the dart some time to impact at which point it burrows into your body.It’s pretty horrifying and savage.
It's not the rotation, as we've seen, blades can pierce too. It's the speed at which the object travels. The rotation is probably more to ensure the projectile isn't stopped before it breaches, and a way to mantain it stable as it reaches its target.
@@vailingshadow5030 Yes good sir, I am indeed aware that bullets spin. Due to the rifling in the barrel if I'm not mistaken. However, the rotational energy of a bullets spin is directly proportional several factors such as the tightness and angle of the rifling, the weight of the bullet, the powder load behind it and the length of the barrel, among other things. What I'm trying to say is that the bullet will eventually be rendered kinetically inert, because there is only a specific amount of rotational force being applied from any given bullet. The darts and the bombs however seem to have an extra mechanism that makes it so they don't loose their kinetic rotational energy by forcing it to keep spinning either through some sort of miniature engine that keeps it spinning through the shield OR like a real life gyrojet pistol, where the bullets get additional energy from small rockets attached to the projectile. --Edit: I haven't read dune and am sorry if my ignorance on the technology offends the hardcore Herbert fans. I'm working on it I just got the audiobook.
Any combatants ability to penetrate a shield at the end of a quick blade movement is effectively a display of how insanely good they are with a blade. Able to cease such quick movement in time to land a blow. Both Duncan and Gurney are widely considered to be among the best blademasters alive.
Also, the ecology of Dune. If you're wondering how there's a breathable atmosphere on a planet with (essentially) no water and no plant life... it's because the worms fart it out. Really. The worms make oxygen, on top of everything else they do.
@@jasonblalock4429 @Jason Blalock I hate to be the ''akchtually'' guy, but Arrakis used to be inhabitable and not a water-less desert planet when someone planted the worms in the planet for unknown reasons, in bygone era, of an unknown origin the worms started terraforming the planet to it's current state, because they hate water or something but they didn't change oxygen content nor are they the origin of it, they only disrupted the water cycle
@@matheussanthiago9685 Oxygen is cyclic too. We exhale CO2 which plants take in, and they excrete the O2 that we breathe, back and forth. With no plants on Dune for centuries, that cycle would be broken, and the atmosphere should be unbreathable. Hence, the need to say that worms create oxygen.
Jessica: "I have to tell you something important about Paul." Leto: "I don't want to hear it. I'm completely uninterested in whatever important thing you have to tell me about my only son and heir. Also, I'm horribly insecure. Hold me!"
I'm happy that you guys share my view on the whole Yueh subplot. He was wasted in this movie, while his betrayel is integral to the whole plot in the first half of the book. In this movie he is barely a character at all, so his betrayel means nothing.
@@shanivanneck Certainly, 84 actually did a lot of heavy lifting with the internal monologues (which the book did). And the Baron also foreshadowed that he had an agent close to Leto. For story justification, I would still like to know more about the double agent that makes a massacre possible.
In Dune, the year 10191 is not 8,000 years into the future, because the 10,191st year is AG, After Guild (the Spacing Guild). BG yearrs, Before Guild, runs at least 10.,000 years before the Spacing Guild to the start of space travel, and then there';s Earth history before that. That would be 20,000+ years into the future. I would be good at Cinema Sins. The movie talks about Navigators finding safe pathways between the stars (the book Dune mentions this). However, the movie also mentions that folding takes two points in space and "moving" between the points instantly. There is no pathway involved. Mining spice on Dune hasn't been going on for mere decades, it's been going on since Before Guild, so over 10,000 years. Spice was available before the Spacing Guild, or they wouldn't have had any to use in faster than light travel without computers (which is what was done before the anti-AI Butlerian Jihad got rid of al computerts).
NO LOGOS!!!!!! I've been watching CinemaSins for years and I can't remember a movie that didn't got sin for logos. I feel like I lived some kind of an internet historic moment
Yeah, I was really disappointed by how little screen time Yueh got. I mean, honestly, they couldn't have chopped out just five minutes of Dunescape footage to give him some backstory and character development? His betrayal of the Duke is one of the pivotal turning points of the story, but the movie treats it like some fait accompli which barely even needs to be mentioned. Also, David Dastmalchian was COMPLETELY wasted as Piter De Vries. Why did they take one of the most colorful and twisted villains in the book, and reduce him to some poe-faced sadboi with no real dialogue?
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Both Yueh and Thufir got straight-up _robbed_ in this movie. Both had much more involvement in the story. Thufir in particular because the "trying to find the traitor" *_and_* the "training Paul as a Mentat" subplots never made it into the movie. There was only the single scene where Thufir tried to resign over his failure and the movie just moves on like nothing ever happened.
@@jodinsan Yeah, you're right. I'd completely forgotten about Paul's mentat training. That's kind of an important part of his development. But then, is the word "mentat" even uttered in the movie? Thufir and Piter are both just kind of... there. I don't think they got any explanation at all., not even why they have matching lipstick.
They consolidated most of the intrigue plotlines to the central characters, though in the case of Yueh it makes some pragmatic cinematic sense, as much as it sucks as a book fan. The book reveals Yueh's treachery from jump which makes a great expectation subversion in a 1960's book, but it'd bring a 2020's film from avant garde cool to avant garde weird and this movie already straddled the line with the dialogue they kept straight from the book. Dune is my favorite novel ever, but I saw right away that they sacrificed many of the deeper cut subplots to translate the pacing of the main plot for the medium, and I can live with having less Yueh, Thufir, Piter and no dinner scene as long as it contributes to a good Dune film series
Tbf the movie proves the shields work against projectiles only because in one scene Duncan throws his knife at a Sardaukar soldier and it knocks him back with a blue light instead of cutting through with red light.
honestly the biggest issues are of this movie is really just the dialogue, too much whispering under their breaths, without the subtitles it was hard to tell what some of them were saying
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@@fortsterling5130 it was legit the volume for me. I didn’t mind the pace, I went into the movie expecting it to sorta be a world building slow burner. But the dialogue volume was a mild issue. Kinda similar to Tenet in a way
The pacing and style of this movie really did Herbert justice. I found that most of the dislikes by the sub creator were just his comical tone. You could apply it to a person walking across the street and it would make them seem silly. Wow, look at that, one foot in front of the other. Who would have thought that out?
It’s funny, being a huge Mass Effect fan, when they explained the shields in the movie I got it right away. They work like ME kinetic barriers. They let slow moving things past the barrier, otherwise when you tried to sit in a chair, it would fly away from you. But high velocity rounds and shrapnel bounce off.
Seriously, in Subnautica Below Zero you can literally build a noise-maker that produces a rythm sound, thereby attracting Ice Worms who function exactly like the Dune Worms
This movie definitely deserved all those bonus sins. I like the movie and it being "faithful enough" to what I remember from reading the book, but all those dang visions of Zendaya just bugged the crap out of me.
Cinema Sin #1: Cinema Sins is not familiar with most if not all of the source material being adapted, as a result this one is a car crush of an episode 😂😂.
I can't stop laughing honestly the comments from this guy are the best imagine watching a movie with this guy and its all serious and he just goes " Beware of the traveling trash bags."
And it was not exactly a short movie either. Which speaks a shit ton to Denis' talent as a director. Because while the pace of the movie is methodical, it is never boring. That's tough to pull off. I would gladly accept a release of an extended edition like Lord of the Rings did. This was just so damn well made.
the problem with 2022 review ... the movie was bad for 8 hour but soon it is gonna be great....lmfao if the first one was bad the sequel prequel won t be better
I've never read Dune (just never got around to it), but if I had to guess the whole culture surrounding close range fighting with blades and martial arts (and assassins using specialized devices that moved slowly to bypass the shields) came about because shields, including personal shields, originally were designed against high speed ballistic (and possibly energy) based weaponry, rendering those unreliable and thus fell out of fashion, with physical combat training becoming a point of honour and skill and more consistently reliable in general. Now why shields aren't engineered to intelligently determine if slow moving hostile actions are being taken, I don't know. I mean, I can certainly imagine early generation devices not accounting for it, and maybe not having sophisticated enough programming to make the distinction, but presumably it should have been solved at some point, yet apparently not. Might be a cultural thing though. While gagging Paul in general would make some sense (it's just a thing to do), maybe they just hoped he'd excite their evil-boner with begging or something? Anyway, males are, as a rule, not trained with the power of the Bene Gesserit. It's just not done so it likely didn't even occur to them.
You're right, but it's not a "culture" thing, they just don't have the technology for doing what you propose. The shield is a "kinetic shield" so the only setting they have control over is penetration speed. If you set the speed to 0, the wearer would suffocate and/or have a lot of difficulty moving as he would bounce off of everything and himself. If the speed is too high it's not really effective. I like it because it makes "scientific" sense that even in the future there are very clear limitations to technology, and it makes military sense that this technology would be adopted. Today guns have removed most of the defensive power an individual or unit has, so the way to win is to shoot first, basically everyone and everything is a "glass canon". In Dune the shield made that fighting style totally obsolete, and kind of revived "old style" fighting, with new quirks (slow blows). Also for the shield to differentiate between hostile and friendly contact you would need some kind of AI program, but that technology has been prohibited in the Dune universe after humans realized intelligent computers were more detrimental than anything. Of course since the author was making a comment on imperialism/monarchy, this is a nice bonus since it's very similar to the type of combat that was happening at the time this political system was popular historically, but I think it does make sense, and it's not just a justification device.
Shields : Conventional projectile weapons are utterly useless, Laser vs Shield interaction being so bad for both parties means all ranged weapons are utterly useless and avoided at all costs .. so melee weapons are used and the elite are trained to impressive levels Bene Gesserit can change the molecular structure of chemicals from poison to ecstatic hallucinogens , the sex of their own child is obviously simple ... Sand Storms on Arrakis ... can like storms on Earth lift anything in it ... Mauler Pistol : Fremen use them because they don't use Shields ... Paul who was trained by the two best best fighters in the universe, and is a Mentat, and Bene Gesserit, and a proto Kwisatz Haderach is easily better than any Fremen, and only does not beat every Fremen immediately because he has never killed....
No, he doesn't beat Jamis instantly because he has trained almost exclusively to fight against shielded opponents so he keeps slowing his strikes at the last second in the duel which makes it seem to the Fremen that he is toying with Jamis. Obviously this is not what happens in the movie, but eh.
@@HIMPDahak this kinda is what happens in the movie, its just not mentioned. when Jessica says he never killed anyone she is lying so people don't realize his weakness. you can say that the movie is the same except we are not seeing Jessica and Paul's inner monologue, so we don't know what is happening. that is kinda why I think the movie felt like it was mostly made for people that already read the book, if you didn't a lot can be misinterpreted or fly over your head.
How is changing the sex of a human being "simple" compared to changing a poison to a hallucinogen? Especially since many hallucinogens *are* poison in proper doses? This makes absolutely no sense. It's orders of magnitude more difficult. I'll admit it's likely within the realm of possibility, given that *anything* can happen in the Dune universe, but this explanation holds no ground at all.
Major spoilers - at least book-wise - below : Many of the "sins" can be easily fixed by knowing the context, sadly a movie simply cannot convey such things properly, due to time constraints. The Kwistaz Haderach in the context of the Duneverse is a prophesied messianic figure that would come to lead humanity through the "leap in the way", the literal meaning of the term in Hebrew. Another term is the Mahdi - Frank Herbert liberally peppered his creation with Judaic and Islamic mysticism. The Benne Gesserit sisterhood have concluded through genetic research and manipulation that this figure would be born of a union between the Atreidis and Harkonnen bloodlines. The problem is the two houses are bitter enemies and would never concede to such a union voluntarily. Thus, about 2 decades before the events of Dune, the Bene Gesserit blackmailed Baron Harkonnen into providing them a heir of his blood. He eventually agreed, but during the "conception" he raped the sister that was to bear this ancestor of the messiah. In revenge, this sister infected him with a rare disease that harmed his body and caused extreme obessity - which is why he looks like this now. Yes, the Benne Geserit have molecular control over their bodily functions - and can absolutely choose the gender of their offspring, among many other abilities. 5:20 The Reverened Mother testing Paul is Gaius Helen Mohiam, that very same sister, Jessica's mother and Paul's grandmother. Yes, the Baron Harkonnen is Jessica's father, and thus Paul's grandfather. The plan was for Jessica to bear a daughter to Leto, who would then be mated with the Baron's nephew Feyd-Rautha to produce the Kwisatz Haderach. Jessica however, fell in love with Leto and willfully bore him a son instead, disobeying her sisters superior.
Gotta agree hard with that bonus round. I liked the movie but it didn't need *that* many Zendaya daydreams. After the umpteenth close-up of her blue eyes, I was rolling my own going, "I GET IT! SHE'S PRETTY AND THEY'RE GONNA GET TOGETHER OR STHG JUST MOVE ON!" By the time she was actually on screen I almost disliked the character just from all that dreamy bullshit earlier that did nothin for nobody
@@kartelUSM How is it her fault for the way she was written and how would a different actress have done it any better? It's more of a small nitpick anyway, because in the bigger picture the movie was actually pretty solid and way better than any other depiction of Dune that came before.
@@DeathBYDesign666 Wow, chill dude, no one said it was her fault, except maybe you. It is the movies fault though. And as far as this is the best version of Dune (really big competition there), it does not make it good. But, in whole honesty, I doubt that it's possible to do this book justice on a big screen. And for the miscast comment, she just does not have the inner strenght Chani dows. At least for me, your milage may vary.
@@kartelUSM The person I replied to said the actress was "miscast" as in implying that she was not up to the challenge of doing this character justice, but I don't think there's anyone else that could have done better necessarily. There were some boring parts of course, the books themselves are very long winded, but there actually was a lot of really good depictions of the overall story. I enjoyed it more than 95 percent of the sci-fi coming out these days, which is still a low bar I realize but there are also some pretty damn great ones in that 5 percentage.
the spice lets the spacing guild successfully navigate because they trip balls on it so hard it lets them see into the near future and steer between the stars before they reach them 👍
This is the best explanation
Would have been damn nice if this movie explained ANY of the book's lore
@@Zoey_the_Ratif the movie explained the dune lore, it’d be like 7 hours long lmao
Was I the only one that just assumed if it was needed by navigators to go ftl (essentially) that it had to be a drug of some
Kind ? Otherwise it would be talked about like a fuel
Like that one friend with 23726323232 ping
One thing I like about the book is how when Paul fights Jamis, he doesn’t know how to attack quickly because he has only trained to fight opponents with shields. He has to adapt because while he can defend very quickly, his attacks are planned to be slow enough to pass through a shield even though they aren’t wearing them. I just feel like not enough people mention this.
Duncan said they fight like daemons and better than anyone he ever met. Paul must be better than Duncan to adapt that quickly.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 he wasn't just trained by Duncan and Gurney, but also by his mother Bene Gesserit, that means he is also a master of the Weirding Way, and yet he had a very hard time against Jamis. its something that the movie doesn't adapt well, its not that he is afraid of killing Jamis, is that his training is all about extremely fast defense and slow attacks, meaning he could easily repel Jamis attacks, but had a very hard time hitting him. the way he defeats Jamis is basically by seeing through his prescient that he was going to switch his blade from one hand to another and use it as a opening to finally hit him.
if you read the book its all there, EXCEPT all the inner monologues that make sense of all that is happening and all the lower level play as Jessica and Paul try to manipulate the freemen and each other by carefully choosing their words and actions. for example, when Jessica says "he never killed anyone", she is only saying that so no one realizes his weakness about his training.
@@danilooliveira6580 "the way he defeats Jamis is basically by seeing through his prescient that he was going to switch his blade from one hand to another and use it as a opening to finally hit him."
Absolutely not. In both the book and the film the fight itself to Paul was a hidden nexus. He could die or he could live but the encounter itself was hidden to him. The knife hand switch was a warning given to him by Chani which he was wary for.
As far as the fighting style, in the book his shield reactions were ingrained on both attack and defense. While his defense was fast it was also tuned to take advantage of the knowledge a shield would be there to aid in his defense. This is something Jessica saw in the fight and if Jamis had recognized it he could have taken advantage of it.
In the film they had the first exchange where Paul asked if Jamis would yield. In the book he drew blood while in the film he simply held Jamis at knifepoint and vulnerable. The effect was the same. From that point on the film stressed more Paul's reluctance to kill Jamis with the implications of that killing and the jihad it brought closer, than the shield conditioning. I actually think that worked very well in for the film. The build up where Paul had seen possible futures with Jamis as a friend and teacher drove home the cost that was weighing on Paul should he take Jamis's life.
The focus on ingrained shield reflexes could easily be handled in the next film, in the time after the fight with a brief comment from Jessica to Paul about being aware of his conditioned reflexes. I would not be surprised for Villenueve to include that but I would expect no more than a brief passing mention of it as part of the ongoing story.
@@kennethfharkin you are right, I got confused because I remember Paul mentioning his prescience during the fight, it was because of Chani's warning and Gurney's teachings about keeping an eye on the knife and not the hand that he could exploit the opening. but the problem of saying its because he was afraid of killing Jamis is that he wasn't exactly hesitating to kill him when he needed to even if he was weary and the visions were getting in the way, hell, he even exploits Jamis fear as Duncan taught him. I mean, the only reason Jessica says what she said and Paul confirms is because she didn't want people to think he was being needlessly cruel with Jamis and didn't want people to know his weakness, during all that time Jessica was trying to create a legend for Paul after all.
the thing is, in the movie it works perfectly like in the book, except we are not seeing what is going on in their heads to know their intentions. so either because he was afraid of killing Jamis, or Jessica was trying to make sure people didn't think he was being cruel while protecting his weakness, it works either way. though as someone that read the book I like the fighting style conditioning more, because that shows you how manipulative Jessica and Paul are with the freemen, they are basically playing a long con.
I agree, I think it would be impossible to show naturally in the choreography, I think they did well to show his talent but that it was an unfamiliar fight
50 sins for not understanding that worms cannot travel through stone. If there are rocks, its not worm territory. They can only travel through open sand.
A lot of the sins listed in this are things explained in the book that were either omitted entirely or cut from the film. However, a feel like quite a few listed are explained in the movie or can easily be understood from cues, like the fact that worms aren't everywhere. In the scene in question Paul specifically says to head for the rocks. And they aren't falling in the "freefalling" scene. I saw the movie before reading the book and understood that without issue.
@@TheDalisama Not that it's relevent to Cinema Sins since "The Books Don't Matter."
But Worms stake out their own territory which is one reason why they aren't everywhere. They don't hunt in packs.
50 sins for not knowing how lasers can't do shields
Sooo.. A gigantic worm that evolved in the sand with so many stones can eat an entire harvester made of metal and all sorts of harder than rock elements, but suddenly a human sized rock is just too much for the worm to finally eat in a lifeless desert?
@@xxCrimsonSpiritxx you do know that rocks dont float on the surface but reach down a lot so it wouldnt fit in a worms mouth like a harvester ...
I’m surprised how many people misunderstood the shields.
The shields stop anything moving fast, like bullets. They only let something through under a set speed limit, hence why they use blades… because guns are essentially useless. Combat is less about powerful strikes and more about making an opening and misdirection so you can push a dagger through the shield slowly without being noticed until it’s too late.. (sound familiar?! It’s an allegory for the whole story.)
Those darts don’t “drill” through the shield or whatever, they fly fast until they detect the shield, slow down and pass through. But if it’s slow, you can just grab it. So they are razor sharp and spin so you can’t grab it without having a tiny buzsaw cut off your fingers.
You’ll notice the bombs do this too, they fall and then slow down at the last second to pass through.
It’s a very unique idea that gives us a really cool and different style of combat where everyone is on equal footing and skill and technique make all the difference. It doesn’t matter how strong, or big, or tough you are… you cannot hurt your enemy without the technique and misdirection skill to make an opening and get a slow dagger through before they do.
P.S. The shields allow slow things through because otherwise no air would get through, and it would make moving around very difficult if your limbs bounced off each other while you walk.. so the set speed is fast enough that you can move naturally but slow enough that it blocks most projectiles, strikes and impacts. Also, different shields have different limits. Combat shields might have a higher speed limit so the soldiers can move faster, and be more agile without triggering the shield. Imagine trying to run and you accidentally run a bit too fast and your legs repel each other and you plop.. the casual shields that are worn for normal use, like meetings, or the one Harkonen used are set much slower, because you’re unlikely to be breakdancing at a meeting.
Make sense?
Hope this helps explain for anyone confused. I didn’t cover everything but it’s a cool bit of tech that absolutely makes sense once you understand it.
From what I understand, the show didn't seem to explain it that well, or spend much time on it, causing a lot of the confusion. Seems like it was one of the things that may of gotten cut for time?
Ur so nerdy damn
NEEEEEERRRRRDDDD!
Then we see how the shields are useless as every projectile penetrates the shield. Then Giant super lazer and rockets turn everything to ass Lmao. I love dune, but it makes no sense.
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 dude, he JUST explained it
The Harkonnens saw Duncan take out 3 of their guys in 2 seconds and they were just like “there’s no scenario where this guy doesn’t get in the thropter, but there is one where he does and we’re alive as well. Take the keys buddy! It’s all yours!”
classic "I'm not payed enough for this shit"
Yeah i loved that scene because it made the basic grunt soldiers feel more like actual human beings that dont want to get killed just for the sake of glory or honour or some shit like that.
Also its fucking badass how Duncan just takes the Thopter because the soldiers just peace the fuck out.
This is... exactly accurate.
Contrast with the guy who allows himself to be cemented into a wall on the faint hope he MIGHT assassinate someone (was he supposed to assassinate the Duke? The Hark’s were told not to kill Paul but maybe wall-guy didn’t get that memo, lol)
@@gregoryf9299 well since the movie skipped all the political backdoor maneuvering its easy to see your confusion
1:59: You missed a sin. When the caption tells you that it's the year 10,191, what it _doesn't_ tell you is that this date reckons from the founding of the Spacing Guild, not the A.D. calendar. So the story takes place not 8,000 years from now, but over _25,000_ years from now. You'll need CinemaSins 27,000 to verify the state of the world. Requiring homework is definitely a sin.
Also: Reading.
Yet unnecessary exposition is a sin as well. Do we need to know any of this?
@@summertyme5748 No more than we need to know that the year is 10,191. But if they feel the need to tell us that, then they need to tell us that 10,191 does not mean what we think it does. What's the point in telling us the year if that year is 17,000 years later than we would expect from what they are telling us? That's double the time they're telling us has passed, plus all of recorded history - _twice._ They could at least say that it's the year "10,191 S.G." Two letters. Or, they could say "25,000 years from man's first flight." Either way, if it's information that needs to be conveyed, then it's information that needs to be conveyed in a manner that doesn't make the viewer get the wrong information.
Well the one he missed is made up for at 3:38, giving sin for the claim that writing the cause of death on a gravestone is uncommon and bizarre. Today it is certainly less common then in the past, but up until only recently (in the history of placing gravestones) writing the cause of death was done for pretty much every single gravestone. I'm certainly going to pace it on mine, it adds interesting detail for people walking around graveyards, for which many do.
@@kingcosworth2643nearly everything in the video is made up there is hardly any criticism that is credible
@@kingcosworth2643not only that but it was also what he did for sport, his passion so it would be something he took pride in and would have loved to displayed, I assume at least
There’s a misconception that the shield wall refers to the wall of the city, the shield wall is a naturally occuring “mountain” range that blocks off sandstorms and prevents worms from burrowing underneath and passing through, although the movie makes it seem that it’s the city wall
also, I thought in the books the Shield Wall encompasses a much larger area than just a single city, doesn’t it?
@@Sam_T2000 yes, it covers the entire north pole of Arrakis, it’s a huge area that the city is only a part of
This is actually better represented in the 1984 movie
@@gakabler - it’s been a while since I read the books… what name do they use to refer to the actual energy shield that protects the palace/city? it’s shown as the orange boxy thing in 1984, and implied to be shut down by Yueh in 2021…
@@Sam_T2000 those are just shields.
The ornithopter was not freefalling through the sandstorm. He shut off the controls so that the storm would carry the ornithopter instead of him trying to fight against it. Its the storm itself that pushed the ornithopter up to the 5000 meter mark. 1 sin removed.
Good man
agreed, I demand a recount!!
yeah thats exactly what i thought was happening. and is the most logica sense
Own that fraud
No buddy that's still a f****** sin
Gurney : Someone could imitate my stride...
Cinemasins : They wouldn't.
Face dancers and Gholas : *Chuckles*
My first reaction to that line was that it was obvious foreshadowing... though indeed no one imitates his stride in the movie.
Perhaps now in Part Two it happens?
@@matheuslopes5287try part 3.
@@riley8704Yup. Turns out they debuted in the later books.
12:09 Those bombs were actually much MUCH older technology in terms of weaponry. It was not standard whatsoever and EXTREMELY expensive, and certainly wouldn't have worked outside of a sneak attack. But the Baron had to make a few sacrifices (AKA spend over 60 years worth of cash) in order to reclaim Arakis for himself. Which, I'm assuming, is what the Emperor wanted, in order to take care of two birds with one stone.
I'm hoping this gets addressed further in the 2nd movie with the Baron and his nephews. One of them tries to have him "wacked" and it fails. He then explains to them how much $$ and effort he put forth to get control of Dune again , even knowing what the Emperor was doing . He was playing the long game , not for himself but that his "house" would be the most powerful in the future. He's a fascinating character. Also, did everyone note that all the Harkonens that serve him look thin and malnurished, while he's huge and eats meals that could serve 6 people? Great detail!!
It was artilery, baron was proud of himself for using it but he had to disable shields in the city because he had a traitor to do that yueh. He hoped that Padishah the emperor would appreciate him for that.
@FemboyHasuno if I remember Rabban asked The Baron if he could keep the Artillery after they defeat the Atriedes forces and The Baron says no that he's going to melt them down for the metal because they had done their job and had no real use for them after that
Paul was trained by Duncan (a Swordmaster of Ginaz), Gurney (a troubadour warrior), Thufir (a warrior mentat), and Jessica (a Bene Gesserit). He’s learned to combine all four styles
Straight up. Usul and Chani are gonna go full badass in part two. God mode *almost* engaged.
@@petarded8529 I hope they include the scene from the book where someone comes to challenge Paul and Chani kills the guy herself because she didn't want Paul's time being wasted on such a loser. LOL ! There's very little humor in the Dune books, but that was hilarious. We got a little of that in this movie when she tells him "don't worry, Jamis is a good fighter , he'll kill you quickly , you won't suffer" I think I was the only one in the cinema that laughed out loud.
@@petarded8529 also the fact that the 2 parts are just the 1st book
Not to mention that a Bebe Gesserit’s abilities are separate from their ‘weirding way’ fighting style. I feel like that should count for two.
@@KeytarArgonian right, but don’t they use Prana Bindu techniques to meditate and reach the level of preparation necessary for the Agony?
There aren’t any thinking machines, at this point in the Dune universe. So Dr. Yueh can’t be a robot.
I believe the shield protects against basically bullets which would have high velocity which made people go back to using blades which does not have enough velocity to be stopped by the shield. Basically the author's way to explain why swords are used in the future instead of guns. But the books don't matter so...
Adaptations like these don't care about the lore
@@JustSumGuy01 I was quoting the cinemasins motto "the books don't matter" as stated in everything wrong with cinemasins. I have never watched either Dune Movies or read the books and any knowledge I have is because of Lost on Adaptation by Dominic Noble
@@JustSumGuy01 except they explain the movie and show it many times in action
According to the books they have advanced to the point of laser guns, let alone bullets, but invented shields to protect against bullets and found out if someone shoots a laser at someone wearing a shield the reaction is about the same as an atomic bomb going off .... so they don't do that and went to swords and knives again.
@@Symmonso96 But were those explanations IN the movie?
I love the design of the ornithopters so much. Probably the coolest ship design I've ever seen while still being true to the book
Have you seen the expanse? The Roci is pure perfection
I know my dad and I were literally raving about them the whole movie was so wonderfully book accurate
@@josiesbooksandbakes7 uh, you realize that they gender-bendered a character, right? As in turning a male character, whose been male in the book and in the 1984 AND 2000 mini-series, as a female. That was not in the book. This was a stupid version that should never have been made.
@@alyssamorgan747 that was pretty much the only thing that was changed and it changed nothing about the story. It does not matter what Liet Khines' gender is. Stop being a baby.
@@alyssamorgan747 Who gives a fuck lmao
The glowing sphere is called a ....**drumrolls** .... a Glowglobe, which is a suspensor-buoyed illuminating device in the book...
I just realized…
The body shield technology in this movie follows the same logic as Oobleck. If you hit it quickly it stays solid and protective. If you push into it slowly it turns to liquid and doesn’t protect anything.
So a non-newtonian energy shield.
In reality, that's similar to how Kevlar works. Kevlar is more effective at stopping bullets because they are high velocity with low momentum, while you can still be slashed or stabbed through it (although some are designed to be resistant to blades as well).
Too bad people in dune too stupid to wear armor that protects against knives under the shield
@@mcmarkmarkson7115 only in big landing ceremony. Something about a sneak attack on the planet made them not put their armor on.
They've been working on making non-newtonian body armor. Only issue so far is that it's way to heavy to be practical.
“How do you know about my dreams?”
“ I DO YOUR LAUNDRY PAUL!”
Classic Cinemasins! 😂
But it could have had a bigger impact..
"How do you know about my dreams?"
"THE SERVANTS WHO DO YOUR LAUNDRY TOLD ME PAUL!" :D
Snore.
Deserves more likes
“Someone might imitate my stride”
Sins: “They wouldn’t”
Yes they would.
To be fair, you don’t want really want to revisit how they portray space travel in the ‘84 film
That haunts me everyday
@@dukeofthedance8062 uhh no. The Baron was a calculated evil mastermind. Also a pedophile. Imagine also a fat Darth Vader armor look but still agile because the grav tech. The Lynch Baron was a disease ridden creepy weirdo that had heart plugs in his minions. Yeah nah.
@@dukeofthedance8062 back in the day they weren't comfortable with portraying the pedophile aspect. But making him physically sick and disease ridden is not accurate to the character. Dude also again work intimidating armor. Not naked all the time like they portray him all the time.
@@philipmartin2919 lmao dude Chalamet and Zendaya are like objectively among the most attractive young actors in Hollywood
@@dukeofthedance8062 are you telling me Rebecca Ferguson isn't beautiful? Man, you are a mad lad
It's kind of frustrating watching this, knowing everything I know about the books and how Cinemasins got a lot of it wrong (such as how the shields work, or the fact that yes, Jessica and the other Bene Jesserit have the ability to choose the gender of their offspring) but at the same time understanding that that's less the fault of Cinemasins and more the fault of the movie for not explaining it better. I've read the books and loved the movie, but this video really highlights the difference in experience for those who know the books vs those who are completely new to the franchise.
Yeah, I haven't read the book and I only got the shield thing now (deduced the gender part, only way that comment made sense). Tricky balance, as too much exposition can make people feel spoon-fed, and you have to find a semi-natural way to the deliver the info. That's much harder in a movie than in a book.
@@monmothma3358 yeah, a lot of it has to be "show, don't tell" so it doesn't get obnoxious, but people also need a bit of suspension of disbelief to understand that those things are possible in the context of the world of Dune without a deeper dive into details. that is why I think the movie is GREAT for people that already read the books, its a nice adaptation if you know what is going on inside the character's heads and a lot of the exposition. but hopefully we will get a director's cut or extended edition in the future that will include a lot of the cut content.
To be fair, I feel like "Why didn't you chose a boy" implies there is a choice
There's literally no need for the movie to tell or show how they can choose the gender. They are witches with weird powers > Check. They cross genetic lines > Check. The Reverend Mother expected Jessica to choose a daughter > Check. Thats it.
I think the whole choosing what gender to breed is pretty self explanatory when Mohiam literally says "you were told to only bear daughters"
For an explanation, the shield is used to stop guns and slug throws. It stops fast moving objects. That’s why swords are used to heavily for combat and why the swords goes through the shield.
I think when Paul puts the thopter into freefall, they are getting whipped around by the winds, kind of like in a tornado, but way more powerful - I think they mentioned the winds being around 600 km/h? So basically they've been getting bounced around in there for a bit, that's why he's passed out, then they finally get tossed up and out to 5,000 meters, and he's able to use the wings like a glider.
At least that's what I got from the scene
Yup. "Free fall" should maybe be "free flight", he could have sung "Let It Go" or "Jesus Take the Wheel" to be more clear he was just not going to control the 'thopter, just letting the wind do whatever it wants to do with them. I just assumed they would float at whatever the wind speed is, like a balloon. In a hot air balloon, you don't feel the steady breeze, you feel the gusts. It seemed pretty logical to me at the time. The sketchy part is the wind can loft rocks of a certain size, I wouldn't expect the 'thopter to be held aloft by it too.
@@mundanestuff I recall the scene being much more in depth in the book. It really explains how he guides the thopter through the winds but without using the engine
The novel calls the storms, "Coriolis storms," which is a fancy name for "sand hurricanes."
@@barence321 Oh ya! I think they mention that name in the movie as well - something like "We chased them into a Coriolis Storm. Nothing could survive that..."
@@dukeofthedance8062 I am a little confused why you would recommend Lynch's film over this one, if your main dissatisfaction came from lack of faith to the original book. Lynch portrayed the weirding way as like, sound guns my man. It got some stuff right but also did entirely its own thing in a lot of ways. I would recommend the sci-fi TV show over both, honestly.
I loved this movie so this was gonna be a tough one for me to watch, but the point about Dr Yueh resonates with me because the film was definitely lacking enough explanation about his character. I understand why some scenes were missing for pacing purposes, but the explanation behind Dr Yueh's betrayal has always felt like a really important part of the story to me.
To a certain extent, I think that Denis Villeneuve trusts that most people who watch this movie already know the Dune back story, or won't get Imperial Conditioning without a lot of exposition. Maybe they made a stab at it and cut the scenes in post.
It basically launched the story and there’s should’ve been more explanation
@@howardmiller5381 Yeah maybe like 1% of people have read the books and know the backstory, explanation to his background was definitely needed
I'm glad I didn't watch it. Looks horrible
@@ijiwbnerjvhbohjweuirbjh1629 Indeed. Movies don't get to assign required reading.
having not read the books, i loved this movie. The score is amazing and the visuals are just stunning
Same for me and I am very critical of most movies especially in recent times, but dune movie sucked me into the dune world.
The cast is great too.
What I love about Dune duels is that the shield gets relied on. Speed is no longer a factor, control is. Until you get on a planet where shields are useless. Then everything they'd learned is useless. Shield habits get you killed!
You’d think traditional slugthrowers would make a comeback in an environment where shields are useless. Cheaper than a lasgun and highly effective.
that is, if it was portrayed properly. as it is, the shields do nothing really, duncan fights as fast as someone would do without shields, and still goes through enemies shields like butter
@@FreemanicParacusia They don't do a good job explaining in the movie but you can't use lasguns on Shields because they both blow up That's why last guns are used on aracas no sheilds means no threat. The most usefull weapon against shilds are stone burners but those are Banned by the council of Lansrod
@@FreemanicParacusia well the shield is powered by a phenomenon called the "Holtzman effect" and I don't the specifics of it but if a lasgun comes into contact with a shield, it would cause a nuclear explosion
I don't understand those small ships when the villains invaded, they were able to bypass the big ships and blow them up? The whole shield thing got me confused and honestly not so interested.
So many scenes of visions and slow scenes, they could have explained the shields better imo.
Dude, do not mock the space bagpipes. Saw this in a theater and trust me, SPACE BAGPIPES ROCK
Especially in IMAX. A+ for sound editing.
There were no bagpipes in the book. I guess the filmmakers couldn't wrap their minds around the baliset, which both Gurney and Paul play.
Oh, and this takes place 20,000 years in the future, not 8000. The people of the Imperium reckon their calendar as starting the year of the formation of the Spacing Guild, which was 10,191 years previously.
@@Shan_Dalamani It's a stylistic choice, not a "we have no clue" choice. Much like Moulin Rouge used modern music in place of period correct music. Using music the audience would identify with in terms of mood and energy as opposed to what a period correct audience would have identified with allows US to get into the same kind of mood they would have. It's the same sort of thing here. We know what bagpipes mean. We know how they are used. We know the history of them in battle, funerals, etc. So they set the tone for us. A baliset wouldn't do that because what the hell is a baliset anyway? It works in a book because you don't have to hear it or see it. It can be whatever. But in a film, it's different.
@@mycroft16 There's a video of Patrick Stewart playing a baliset. It's a stringed instrument that (to my ears) combines a guitar with some sort of eastern European stringed instrument (as it would, given the context of the novel).
So Lynch treated the moviegoers as though we could understand this concept.
Villeneuve treated the moviegoers as though they were idiots who couldn't wrap their minds around new ideas.
Balisets are played both in the Imperium and among the Fremen (Jamis owned one, which Paul inherits). I'd fall off my chair laughing if it turns out that Paul inherits a set of bagpipes from Jamis.
Loud, rhythmic sounds... just the thing to call a worm, or at least deafen everyone else if played inside the sietch...
@@Shan_Dalamani Are u fucking daft? Baliset is the personal choice of instrument for Gurney, he plays it as a poet and bard, hell, there's a deleted scene of Brolin playing the Baliset. The bagpipes are the Anthem of House Atreides who trace there lineage to the Greek king Agamemnon, also where bagpipes were heavily used. Not to mention the weather of the planet Caledan is wet, cold, and very reminiscent of the current UK. Also the name Caledan is the play on the name Caledonia, the Latin name for Scotland. There's a reason Bagpipes WORK, it makes SENSE in the context of the house's history and place.
If I remember correctly, the worms don't swarm the Harvesters because they have individual territories. Worms don't risk fighting another worm unless shields are involved[honestly yeah why don't they make shield decoys] so worms can be slower at attacking harvesters[though it is still only like, 10-20 minutes between each attack in the books]. As for the Worm in the desert, in the book it mentions a specific "trap" that can form in the sand that when stepped on basically does the same thing as a Shield[amplify the steps and subsequent collapse of the naturally occurring trap, basically signaling "Lots of big Tasty Food over this way."
Could be slightly wrong though.
It's not so much 'territory' but rather 'vibration'. If Worms feel unusual vibrations within the ground then they go after it no questions asked. It's like blood in the water for sharks. Even an individual running across the land is enough to set a worm off. Heck, a cat walking across Dune could set one off.
@@chadharger9323 But Arrakis is still huge and even if say a cat set a sandworm off, it could end up with the cat leaving the worm's territory or reach rocks before the worm reaches it.
yup you're right - the trap/fake shield is called a thumper in the books
I appreciate the in-depth description of how they wasted Yueh. That was the only issue I had with the movie.
for me it was that and skipping the dinner scene. but I guess they really wanted to keep the mystery of the betrayal, so while in the book it follows Yueh and we know from the beginning what is going to happen, in the movie a different approach is more interesting. though I wish they had shown more of Yueh and the meaning of the emperor's mark, though to be fair that would probably have been a huge red flag about his potential betrayal.
The entire movie lacked character development. As beautiful looking as it is at points, this movie just wasnt very good. No dinner. Lack luster fights.
if I could make one change to the script, I’d add a “dinner scene” on Caladan, after the Change Ceremony, where they sit around and give us some basic explanation of the politics and CHOAM and such, possibly introduce Irulan and Feyd, and give us some info about Yueh and hints at his plight.
but in defense of the script as-is, the Atreides were doomed no matter what… if it wasn’t Yueh that betrayed them, the Harkonnens would’ve found another way to destroy them.
@@danilooliveira6580 Both of those are huge omissions
I just want to say, as a huge DUNE fan, the Quiz Master Burt Bacharach joke was chef’s kiss good.
That cracked me up. My dad and I call it the Cuisinart's Hatrack. 🤣
I remember when they found actual, you know, movie sins, instead of just snarking on the movie every chance they got.
Pepperidge farm remembers
Funny that most of the chances they get come from their own ignorance. Stopped watching after a minute and a half. CinemaSins have become just a dumb "entertainment" channel with no depth of intelligence in it.
@@becausebuzzbomb6133 "Funny that most of the chances they get come from their own ignorance." Book is a prerequisite? +1 sin.
yeah. those were the days.
It's a comedy channel. He also sins the crap out of movies he loves. So cope harder.
The fact they didn't give a sin off for the unbelievably amazing sound design makes me sad. But yeah unless you either read the books or had someone to answer all your questions who did I can't imagine how you weren't confused as hell leaving this movie
I mean the narrative is pretty straightforward
I wasn't confused at all. I absolutely loved it
i think this is just you, the movie was very easy to follow
@@MajorMlgNoob Actually, it IS quite complicated. But the film is so well paced that you don't really notice.
The overall is easy to follow but the overall significance of everything is lost
I liked the jokes about the Guild Heighliner (ovulating? sperming?), but the point of those shots was to show how unbelievably fricking HUGE that thing is. Remember the enormous Imperial ship with the carpet? Compared to the Heighliner it is a tiny insignificant speck. Same for the Atreides and Harkonnen warships. The Guild is the most powerful force in the Dune universe. Nobody messes with the Guild. Not even the Emperor.
Oh, that's not true. One person messes with the Guild. The power to destroy something proves you have absolute control over it.
And they do not control the spice...Do they? =3
@@TransientWitch Even Emperor Paul "Muad'dib" Atreides leaves the Guild pretty much alone. If I recall correctly, the Ixians manage to make ships that don't need Guild navigators, but that happens during Leto II's multi-thousand-year reign. I might have that completely wrong. It has been years since I read the novels.
@@barence321 Wait till they hear about No-Ships and Chair-Dogs.
@@barence321 he forces them to agree to his terms, unconditionally...because he threatens their only source of relevance...which is what I was referring to. He told them to halt the attack on Arrakis, and barely addressed Shaddam until he was ready to lay down the terms of his reign as Emperor, and that was mostly to tell Shaddam he would be giving over Irulan's hand and accepting permanent exile to a reformed Salusa Secundus. And that he would give all of his CHOAM profits to Paul as dowry.
He may not have done much after that, but he most certainly put the Guild and Imperium in a vice
The Guild’s power lies in their navigators’ control of interstellar travel, not military strength. Heighliners are basically teleporting warehouses, they would not stand a chance against warships.
Aaah, nostalgia. I read this book while driving from California to Virginia in 1975, in a black Dodge Dart without air conditioning. My older sister was doing the driving, my mom and her parents were crammed in the back. I was 14, so not driving yet, but rode shotgun as navigator. There wasn't much for me to do on those several days we spent driving across the Mojave desert on a highway where you could see a perfectly straight road stretching from horizon to horizon. Did I mention it was summer? We got a flat tire outside of Victorville, where it was 110 degrees. I got sun poisoning on my right arm, being on the south side of the car. Anyway, I made it through the whole book in those few days. So, I have a certain personal connection with Dune. And yes, the pace is very, very, very . . . sloooow. (We did stop at every cavern tourist spot we came across.)
20:23 - All this ending needed was a “To be continued” or a “To be concluded” to make this complete.
To be fair, when this movie was made Dune Part 2 hadn’t been greenlit yet, so they didn’t officially know they would be able to make a Part 2 until after Part 1 had come out.
@@NickOnFire1490 But considering we clearly had “Part One” in the title…
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that
is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
@@SolCresta3405 Because it wasn't the complete story.
@@lainiwakura1776 I know that. That’s why we needed a “To be continued” or “To be concluded” in this ending.
"What is this glow sphere?" A glow....globe. It is literally a floating flashlight...
Right? How is that a sin? I want one.
The stupidity
It wasn’t a free fall. He stopped fighting the dabs storm and the updraft carried the chopper above the storm
1:50
Not to go against the almighty sinners, but Dune is actually set over 20,000 years in our future....the year reset after a galaxy wide war against AI and machines and such....so yeah.....SIN!
That sounds like Skynet
It's 10,191 years after the formation of the Spacing Guild. The Butlerian Jihad was a war between opposing ideologies, not literal robots.
People who bother to read the Appendices of the Dune novel would know these things.
@@Shan_Dalamani
ACCCKKKKSHUALLLLLY!
The shield protects you from a quick glancing blow with a blade; which would be very effective in a fast paced one-on-several bladed fight.
Yeah, it’s a silly sin for a few reasons, first the shield is good because it stops fast moving objects, wonder why there are no guns? Shields would stop the bullets therefore making them useless. This is obviously not shown because any truly fast weaponry would have stopped being made as soon as everyone got a shield. Second the reason why the shield doesn’t always stop the weapons is because it’s extra effective against untrained soldiers who don’t know how to slow their strike at the right time. Of course most soldiers are able to do this but you still have it for the few times it does block a hit.
@@stevenminuteman8996
Exactly!
Then one easily wonders why they didn't use physical shields too, or spears. Swords have never been a main weapon of any armed melee combat anywhere, they have always been used as backup or compromise.
If everyone knows what these energy shields are and how to get around their weaknesses, you'd think that just a single intergalactic faction would have invested resources into mitigating those glaring drawbacks.
For all intents and purposes, Dune is just not very well written. It is incredibly expansive, but the details leave a lot to be desired.
@@Real_MisterSir were you really hoping they’d spend 20 minutes explaining why tech to defeat the shields hadn’t been made yet?
Exactly! Like when Duncan was fighting off groups of Harkonnen soldiers, and their panicked blows were too quick so they just skidded off the shield.
As an aside-- Duncan Idaho was a _BAAAAD_ man! He not only fought his way out of the ambush while being incredibly outnumbered-- my man killed multiple Sardaukar! That _must_ have hurt their warrior pride...
Can't wait for part 2 to see how the Freman do against them!
With regard to the harvester and the worm and how its always attacked: Wasn't it mentioned in the film (maybe even during the dialogue Cinamasins is voicing over?) that there are indeed decoy operations to lead the worm a far distance from active harvesters?
Could've sworn that was a thing.
To be fair in those fights scenes the wielded of those blades are so well trained that they are able to swing at the right speed to initiate the killing blow and pass the shields. We can see this when the Atreides are fighting the Harkonnen footmen and it takes a while for anyone to die. Then when the Sardaukar show up they are so damned good that they are able to bipeds the Atreides shields with little issue.
And yes I am a nerd
Nerd alert
in my fencing group we actually tried dune style fighting with daggers (slowing a certain amount before contact) and it is... very weird.
The next step, nerd, is to give us something free for a price
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that
is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
NEEEEEEEEERRRD
A lot of these things that “aren’t explained in the movie” I feel are totally fine. The movie gives you just enough information to accept what you’re seeing on screen, and if you’re more curious about how it works, well then hey, you’ve got plenty of answers on the internet from thousands of pages of lore to back it up.
I got a friend to finally get into reading Dune by watching the movie with him because he found the world and story so enthralling he wanted more. I think they did a great job simplifying just enough to make it adaptable into a movie while still preserving the lore and story elements well enough to understand most of what is going on even if you go in blind.
And even if you don't care to deep dive, it's okay to not know everything. I can't make my computer from scratch, I couldn't build my house and get all the electricity, gas, and water going. Do I complain about that, or quietly have an issue with it? No, never once crossed my mind until making this example.
this video is a shit show of random stuff that dosnet matter w him trying to get a laugh
Imo this is how movie adaptations should be made
Not too much, not too little
20:57 Finally, a good use of the quote!
Star Wars took so much from Dune. (Cough Tatoine Cough)
@@JNB0723george lucas was inspired by the dune books when creating star wars
I love a blockbuster that thinks outside the box
Especially during an era where every big studio wants to be like Disney in terms of tone
Most Disney films are better than this half-movie.
Eh they took an old popular book, that had been already adapted
this movie was dogshit
Everyone has an opinion, as they should. But I agree. Frankly, from my opinion, Disney mainly makes movies I can't stand.
They took old source material and remade a movie to start a series of yearly blockbuster releases. That’s literally the MCU playbook. They even cast a ton of people that are in the MCU. That’s about as Disney as it gets.
I *love* how drawn out this movie is. I think it's one of the most effective stylistic choices the movie makes.
The movie isn't drawn out. Have you read the book? The movie covered like 10% of the first 1/3 of the book.
@@TraceguyRune That's ... that's literally the definition of drawn out, my guy.
I don’t. It makes for a fucking dull movie watching experience.
@@excaliburknives3572 Okay!
4:56 You simply killed me with "I DO YOUR LAUNDRY, PAUL" 🤣
The fact that he never removes a sin for anything in this film, wether it’s the VFX, acting or just the ornithopter, is a sin in itself!
Agreed on the Ornithopters. Film deserves FX Oscar’s just for that!
Right? I love Cinema Sins, even when they destroy filmes I also love, but this one felt more.... bitter? Not sure, it was the first EWW video that I felt more whiny than fun, it was strange, lol.
@@danielbernini Yeah, there was a video I saw recently about how they pretty much miss the point of most movies and have 0 ability to suspend disbelief, but I’m indifferent
Thank you! I was looking for this comment. I’m all for nitpicking and tearing films apart for entertainment, but come on, not ONE sin off? This movie had so many incredible elements!
Can we make a video to just sin Cinema Sins lmao
As a book reader, I really enjoyed this movie, it’s a very satisfying adaptation! I really enjoy watching Cinemasins on movies I enjoy to see the faults, and the gaps in explanation, that I don’t notice. Plus a lot of the subtle jokes they make at the movies expense are top tier! The glow sphere joke is probably my favorite 😂😂 also the “blooper” jokes at the end were so on point! Nailed this one Jeremy and team!
I loved it, it's honestly one of my favorite movies and not just because of the balls to the walls, pleasure center of the brain tickling that is the music score.
I both loved and disliked the movie because I'm a fan of the books. Visual BEAUTIFUL though.
yeah the problem with the movie is that its not a bad adaptations, the problem is that its an adaptation for people that already read the books. if you read the book a lot of it fits and make sense to you, but if you didn't a lot can be easily misinterpreted or straight up go over your head.
This comment was planted for sure.
@@danilooliveira6580 yeah no doubt, I went into the theater w/o reading the book and I understood the plot and everything, but was confused by some of the nuances such as the way the shields operate or the sort of emphasis on the worms to the fremen religion, or how Duncan Idaho, Paul, and Jessica were able to get out of Arrakeen. It wasn’t until reading the book shortly after where I understood a lot of these things. Herbert explains how for instance their was a planted Ornithopter for Duncan Idaho to escape for instance, or that Lasguns when coming into contact w a shield will cause essentially an atomic-like bomb to go off etc. or that Fremen don’t wear shields bc it is essentially worthless (and also why they have projectile weaponry such as what Paul was aiming when coming into conflict w Stilgar’s sietch). After reading the book, the movie was much easier to follow for those reasons.
Missed one:
Paul enters a fight to the death but doesn't do anything to prevent his hair from obscuring his vision.
He's just built different
NOT A SINGLE SIN REMOVED FOR THE AMAZING CHOREOGRAPHY OR SOUNDTRACK?!?!
Um. What choreography?
@@Janken_Pro choreography just means the planned movements on screen, so the fights and stylized movement scenes
@@carsonbrown3961 i know. But what was so special regarding choreography here?
@@Janken_Pro I think they just mean that the fights were very well choreographed
@@carsonbrown3961 i got that, but how are they very well choreographed?
The palm xylophone transition to, "Look, I don't know what it is, and you don't either. Shut the fuck up" killed me lmaoo.
“Quiz Master Burt Bacharach” dude that got me 😂
This movie is long n slow, but I absolutely loved it. It’s everything I wish they did to the Star Wars franchise instead of trying to make them an MCU franchise.
So true. I hated the new trilogy mostly because there are already so many amazing star wars comics and novels out there they could have used for reference. But disney wanted 2 directors to work on them who put the tone of the movies all over the place.
Also, i think the prequels did a fantastic job in showing of many really creative designs of planets and locations, something the new movies lacked completely
👏👏👏 Hit the nail on the head
Nothing is slow after you've watched Tarkovski's Solaris \ Stalker movies :)
Calm down dude it’s just a movie
@@Kur0m0ri Tbf the prequels were also pretty lacking in good writing and plagued by bad pacing
5:00 How does she know about my dreams ,- i do your laundry !" ,🤣🤣 Dude that's gold!!
Man this channel has become such a parody of itself it's incredible, it shouldn't be called cinema sins but "guy shares snarky uninformed opinions"
ya this was cringe
it was the same with BR2049. He couldn't come up with sins to criticize the movie for (apart from your typical "it's Villeneuve-slow") so had to invent them
That's why I love cinemawins alot more
It was always just that, and they have never been ashamed of it.
Its just funny, ive loved the Dune universe for 25 years since i got it as a present when i was 15 and im not taking it seriously. Learn to laugh a bit
This movie does not take place 8,000 years from now. It takes place 10,000 years after a Terminator style war against thinking machine's that almost lead to humanities extinction. A new calendar was created after the war. The movie didn't mention anything about it. Honestly the only reason why this matters is because it explains why they do not use computer's in the distant future.
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that
is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
--N-E-R-D--
Yeah, it's actually around 18 000 years later. I would have written the approximately year according to our calendar in that scene.
The bot ad in the first reply kind of proves the Butlerian Jihad had a point.
My two biggest gripes with the movie first it's all the publicity Zendaya did for this movie yet it seems like she's in all of 5 minutes of the movie, and two... the sequel did not get greenlit until after the movie came out, where as other big movies would be filming the sequel while all the post production work is done on the first so you usually have to wait maybe a year to see it, part two however isn't set to START filming until this summer... and damnit don't make me wait like that!
to be fair, the sequel probably would have been filmed directly after the first, if it was a standard blockbuster ala marvel.
Because Villeneuve decided to go for a more artsy and slow adaptation while keeping the budget high, the risk was just way to high for the studio to greenlight and film one of the most expensive movie sagas, which could've been a flop.
@@timredlich2170 Oh absolutely it was too much for the studio to give him a check. That said, as a viewer I don't care about silly things like money, I saw another "Golden Compass" where we're left with a partial story and the hopes that it does well enough to finish it in the case of Dune yes it is, the Golden Compass they just dropped it.
They should’ve filmed it back to back like the Lord of the Rings movies.
to be fair, Zendaya has the public eye in the way some of the other actors in this don’t even if some of them are better actors
Chani should have a bigger part in the next movie when we see Paul joining the freemen
Nobody is going to read this but I just have to say it: the Dune calendar is based on the Butlerian Jihad which is already set about 9'000 years in the future, meaning the year 10191 given at the start of the movie doesn't mean much
I'm here to tell you I proved you wrong; I did in fact read your comment and I thought it was interesting. I didn't know any of this and its always nice to learn something new
I read your comment 1 year later
@@Tom-oz7wk I read your response 1 year later, which might make you remember this interesting information you've probably forgotten by now
@@dwiski I had indeed forgotten about this so thank you for reminding me. I'm trying to remember the fun facts I used to know so I can share some strange tidbits in return
"I DO YOUR LAUNDRY PAUL!" I haven't laughed that hard in a long time 😂
I’m definitely telling my son that “goodbye young human I hope you live” line 😅😅
So you sinned the movie several times because "the shields don't protect anybody from anything," but then you also sinned the movie for Baron Harkonnen surviving the poison gas attack... which it was explicitly shown that he survived BECAUSE HE HAD HIS SHIELD ON
The Baron survived because he flew to the ceiling. The gas passed through the shield as indicated by the buzz of red around him when Leto breaths out the poison.
Thr shield just helped with him getting less poison and it also alerted him ti fly away@@mikyto7313
Always hilarious when people whine about Jeremy sinning movies. Love it.
2:51 That "NEEEEEERRRD" just absolutely killed me.
I loved this movie. It’ll be interesting to see how the director makes the craziness to come accessible to a mass audience
Did he tho? I was bored out of my mind and then it ends before Act 3.
this was such a shit movie
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tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that
is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
@@dukeofthedance8062 "different race"? When tf was Kynes' color *ever* discussed? And what fucking bearing did him being an implied white man in your eyes ever have on his impact to the story?
@@dukeofthedance8062 Lmao, incels always want to talk spicy but whine when the trolling comes back. You can take apart your little ethnosupremacist fantasy at the seams. Pick 1:
1) Liet-Kynes being Chani's parent is such an inconsequential factor that no one ever mentions it again, let alone even acknowledging the existence of her mother in more than passing
2) By your own logic, casting a dark skinned Afro-Brit as the mother of the mixed race American Zendaya makes even *more* sense, which shows how little your own check boxing does
3) The Zensunni ancestors of the Fremen were inherently a mixed group - right there in the name - so assigning ethnicities to them is dumb
4) The Imperium has a whole mixture of names from a bunch of nationalities pushed together
5) it's 25k years in the future
6) To paraphrase, "something something that blood will be passed to Paul's children." Ok Prince Charles, we know you're mad that the God Empower will be brown 😂
7) There was never any mention of where papa Kynes came from
8) The Fremen have such a range of skin tones that a Spaniard with a touch of makeup plays one
As a Canadian, the use of meters for the worm and feet for depth didnt feel out of the ordinary, we switch it up all the time here xD
This is great. Dune is one of my favourite books ever so I watched this through a very biased lens. This is basically, "all the shite that doesn't make sense if you haven't read the book". Which probably explains why my gf hated it.
yeah I think that is the biggest problem with the movie, it feels like it was made for people that read the book and already know all the nuances and inner monologues going on.
as someone who hasnt read the book (only know a summary of it) but going into it as a fan of Denis Villeneuves films it was pretty easy tocatch onto the whole story, that being said it is a film that demands your attention the whole time.
I never read the books but I love this movie, I like how fight scenes weren’t just the entire movie and there was a story
I have met or even heard of an incredibly few women that enjoy dune.
I'd never even heard of Dune before this movie came out, and I fucking LOVE how little explanation there is. You get the bare minimum and then you're dropped into Paul's shoes, treated like you already live in this world. Instead of an exhausting amount of explanation, the world is shown to you, you experience it. Dune, parts 1 and 2 now, respect my intelligence as a viewer to pick up on and track with what I'm being told and shown, and that is a bigger and better achievement than almost anything else in the movie.
A lot of these points could be explained by some narrative exposition. But I think a certain film from 1984 has shown us that that isn't always the best idea.
I love the drawn out scenes without much action - paired with the music and sound-design it is filled with atmosphere and a lot of the explanations about the environment from he book are done visually, which I love. The visual and sound design is stunning in this movie. I agree on the very thin description of Doctor Yueh - it is missing so much.
I think some sins off for just being an awesome movie, would be in its place, but hey......it's your rodeo and I enjoy the ride every time.
So I had the same problems with the dart used on leto but then I saw the bomb and it seems that the gyroscopic force of the projectile spinning allows for shield penetration. Bullets wouldn't work because they don't have the rotational energy to pierce the shield. They'd be slowed to a stop by the time they made it through. If you look closely at the dart and the bomb however, they seem to have a way to keep up their spinning velocity, allowing them to overload and penetrate the shield.
the term 'rifle' refers to both the grooves inside a gun barrel, and the spin that those grooves impart on the bullet: there is, so that would seem like an odd thing for shields to not be able to account for;
mayhaps the dart has a destructible cover tip that slows the velocity to shield-penetrating speed, like a non newtonian gel might (this would also still allow the needle tip to pierce the gel at that speed) (or propulsion/antigrav could work too)
bombs and missiles looked like they were all preprogrammed to have a stutter (not that hard, given that we already do something not too similar with nukes, having them detect distance to target and exploding above them for more effect; wouldn't be too hard to make a reverse thrust pulse for getting through ship shields)
It’s not about spinning.
The shields only allow something slow to pass through, so a normal bullet would bounce off, but a dagger at the right speed goes through.
That’s why they sword fighting, because guns are essentially useless in most cases. The slow knife penetrates the shield.
You’ll notice the bombs also fall, slow down and then pass through.
The darts fire quickly, detect the shield and slow down to pass through, the spinning has nothing to do with it except they’re razor sharp and basically tiny but saw’s making them impossible to grab. That’s why Duncan used his sword to deflect his, because it would shred your fingers off… the spinning is basically just to buy the dart some time to impact at which point it burrows into your body.It’s pretty horrifying and savage.
It's not the rotation, as we've seen, blades can pierce too. It's the speed at which the object travels. The rotation is probably more to ensure the projectile isn't stopped before it breaches, and a way to mantain it stable as it reaches its target.
Dune aside. Grant philips doesn't actually know that bullets do indeed "spin"
@@vailingshadow5030 Yes good sir, I am indeed aware that bullets spin. Due to the rifling in the barrel if I'm not mistaken. However, the rotational energy of a bullets spin is directly proportional several factors such as the tightness and angle of the rifling, the weight of the bullet, the powder load behind it and the length of the barrel, among other things. What I'm trying to say is that the bullet will eventually be rendered kinetically inert, because there is only a specific amount of rotational force being applied from any given bullet. The darts and the bombs however seem to have an extra mechanism that makes it so they don't loose their kinetic rotational energy by forcing it to keep spinning either through some sort of miniature engine that keeps it spinning through the shield OR like a real life gyrojet pistol, where the bullets get additional energy from small rockets attached to the projectile.
--Edit: I haven't read dune and am sorry if my ignorance on the technology offends the hardcore Herbert fans. I'm working on it I just got the audiobook.
Any combatants ability to penetrate a shield at the end of a quick blade movement is effectively a display of how insanely good they are with a blade. Able to cease such quick movement in time to land a blow. Both Duncan and Gurney are widely considered to be among the best blademasters alive.
With Duncan being an actual Sword Master, trained on Ginaz from a young age. Literally one of the best fighters in the universe.
LOL everytime he'd have a premonition/dream of Zendaya i'd go "another Zara commercial"
For the sin 135. He does have a Sherlockian way to predict the enemies moves. He checks all possible outcomes two days before the fight
Also he was literally trained by Duncan and another legendary fighter since he was a child.b
yeah that's the whole point, he can see the future
For the science-y and Bene Geserit powers stuff of Dune, Frank Herbert had a "It works because f--k you, that's why" attitude toward it
"It just works!"
Also, the ecology of Dune. If you're wondering how there's a breathable atmosphere on a planet with (essentially) no water and no plant life... it's because the worms fart it out. Really. The worms make oxygen, on top of everything else they do.
@@jasonblalock4429 @Jason Blalock I hate to be the ''akchtually'' guy,
but Arrakis used to be inhabitable and not a water-less desert planet
when someone planted the worms in the planet for unknown reasons, in bygone era, of an unknown origin
the worms started terraforming the planet to it's current state, because they hate water or something
but they didn't change oxygen content nor are they the origin of it, they only disrupted the water cycle
@@Strutsss King Crimson
wtf
@@matheussanthiago9685 Oxygen is cyclic too. We exhale CO2 which plants take in, and they excrete the O2 that we breathe, back and forth. With no plants on Dune for centuries, that cycle would be broken, and the atmosphere should be unbreathable. Hence, the need to say that worms create oxygen.
Jessica: "I have to tell you something important about Paul."
Leto: "I don't want to hear it. I'm completely uninterested in whatever important thing you have to tell me about my only son and heir. Also, I'm horribly insecure. Hold me!"
I'm happy that you guys share my view on the whole Yueh subplot. He was wasted in this movie, while his betrayel is integral to the whole plot in the first half of the book. In this movie he is barely a character at all, so his betrayel means nothing.
Yeah my sister had no idea and was just kinda like "dang random dude betrayal" and I had to explain in detail why what Yueh did was _such_ a big deal.
Yep. As someone who hasn't read the books, he's a random traitor NPC. I was honestly a bit lost as to who he was in that whole scene.
I feel that way about both movies. In 84 he gets 3 minutes of setup instead of 90 seconds. Still not enough.
@@T-Flame At least in 84 they explained his motivations and his background through the clunky thought narration
@@shanivanneck Certainly, 84 actually did a lot of heavy lifting with the internal monologues (which the book did). And the Baron also foreshadowed that he had an agent close to Leto. For story justification, I would still like to know more about the double agent that makes a massacre possible.
I like how you did this video from the perspective of someone who didn’t know dune existed before this movie
In Dune, the year 10191 is not 8,000 years into the future, because the 10,191st year is AG, After Guild (the Spacing Guild). BG yearrs, Before Guild, runs at least 10.,000 years before the Spacing Guild to the start of space travel, and then there';s Earth history before that. That would be 20,000+ years into the future.
I would be good at Cinema Sins.
The movie talks about Navigators finding safe pathways between the stars (the book Dune mentions this). However, the movie also mentions that folding takes two points in space and "moving" between the points instantly. There is no pathway involved.
Mining spice on Dune hasn't been going on for mere decades, it's been going on since Before Guild, so over 10,000 years. Spice was available before the Spacing Guild, or they wouldn't have had any to use in faster than light travel without computers (which is what was done before the anti-AI Butlerian Jihad got rid of al computerts).
NO LOGOS!!!!!! I've been watching CinemaSins for years and I can't remember a movie that didn't got sin for logos. I feel like I lived some kind of an internet historic moment
Yeah, I was really disappointed by how little screen time Yueh got. I mean, honestly, they couldn't have chopped out just five minutes of Dunescape footage to give him some backstory and character development? His betrayal of the Duke is one of the pivotal turning points of the story, but the movie treats it like some fait accompli which barely even needs to be mentioned.
Also, David Dastmalchian was COMPLETELY wasted as Piter De Vries. Why did they take one of the most colorful and twisted villains in the book, and reduce him to some poe-faced sadboi with no real dialogue?
Piter was the biggest crime imo.
Only for fans over 18 years old. girl in perfect BODY G BUNNYGIRLSS.SITE cup milk god & perfect erotic body constriction god Toro face transcendent beautiful sister like a famous model
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that
is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
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Both Yueh and Thufir got straight-up _robbed_ in this movie. Both had much more involvement in the story. Thufir in particular because the "trying to find the traitor" *_and_* the "training Paul as a Mentat" subplots never made it into the movie. There was only the single scene where Thufir tried to resign over his failure and the movie just moves on like nothing ever happened.
@@jodinsan Yeah, you're right. I'd completely forgotten about Paul's mentat training. That's kind of an important part of his development. But then, is the word "mentat" even uttered in the movie? Thufir and Piter are both just kind of... there. I don't think they got any explanation at all., not even why they have matching lipstick.
They consolidated most of the intrigue plotlines to the central characters, though in the case of Yueh it makes some pragmatic cinematic sense, as much as it sucks as a book fan. The book reveals Yueh's treachery from jump which makes a great expectation subversion in a 1960's book, but it'd bring a 2020's film from avant garde cool to avant garde weird and this movie already straddled the line with the dialogue they kept straight from the book. Dune is my favorite novel ever, but I saw right away that they sacrificed many of the deeper cut subplots to translate the pacing of the main plot for the medium, and I can live with having less Yueh, Thufir, Piter and no dinner scene as long as it contributes to a good Dune film series
Tbf the movie proves the shields work against projectiles only because in one scene Duncan throws his knife at a Sardaukar soldier and it knocks him back with a blue light instead of cutting through with red light.
honestly the biggest issues are of this movie is really just the dialogue, too much whispering under their breaths, without the subtitles it was hard to tell what some of them were saying
Only for fans over 18 years old. girl in perfect BODY G BUNNYGIRLSS.SITE cup milk god & perfect erotic body constriction god Toro face transcendent beautiful sister like a famous model
tricks I do not know
Megan: "Hotter"
Hopi: "Sweeter"
Joonie: "Cooler"
Yoongi: "Butter
So with toy and his tricks, do not read it to him that he writes well mamon there are only to laugh for a while and not be sad and stressed because of the hard life that
is lived today.
Köz karaş: '' Taŋ kaldım ''
Erinder: '' Sezimdüü ''
Jılmayuu: '' Tattuuraak ''
Dene: '' Muzdak ''
Jizn, kak krasivaya melodiya, tolko pesni pereputalis.
Aç köz arstan
Bul ukmuştuuday ısık kün bolçu, jana arstan abdan açka bolgon.
Uyunan çıgıp, tigi jer-jerdi izdedi. Al kiçinekey koyondu wins taba algan. Al bir az oylonboy koyondu karmadı. '' Bul koyon menin kursagımdı toyguza albayt '' dep oylodu arstan.
Arstan koyondu öltüröyün dep jatkanda, bir kiyik tigi tarapka çurkadı. Arstan aç köz bolup kaldı. Kiçine koyondu emes, çoŋ kiyikti jegen jakşı dep oylodu. # 垃圾
They are one of the best concerts, you can not go but just seeing them from the screen, I know it was surprising
💗❤️💌💘
Yeah they tried too hard to avoid the internal dialogue but also include some of the thoughts people are having. It makes it feel kinda forced
@@fortsterling5130 it was legit the volume for me. I didn’t mind the pace, I went into the movie expecting it to sorta be a world building slow burner. But the dialogue volume was a mild issue. Kinda similar to Tenet in a way
"Is... is this space tube ovulating?"
Dude wtf? I laughed too hard at that.
shush
Missed opportunity at 3:53 to say, "That is MAHOGANY!" 😂
The year this is happening is NOT 10191 AD.
The year this is happening is 10191 After Guild, which is actually 25 thousand years in the future.
Duncan just pulled a blade out of his chest, I think you can excuse him for being a bit vocal.
The pacing and style of this movie really did Herbert justice. I found that most of the dislikes by the sub creator were just his comical tone. You could apply it to a person walking across the street and it would make them seem silly. Wow, look at that, one foot in front of the other. Who would have thought that out?
It’s funny, being a huge Mass Effect fan, when they explained the shields in the movie I got it right away. They work like ME kinetic barriers. They let slow moving things past the barrier, otherwise when you tried to sit in a chair, it would fly away from you. But high velocity rounds and shrapnel bounce off.
Seriously, in Subnautica Below Zero you can literally build a noise-maker that produces a rythm sound, thereby attracting Ice Worms who function exactly like the Dune Worms
These types of “critiques” are everything wrong with the internet in one sentence or less.
Everyone has known for years this is satire.
I hope Denis Villeneuve can make RENDEZVOUS WITH RAMA as soon as possible
This movie definitely deserved all those bonus sins. I like the movie and it being "faithful enough" to what I remember from reading the book, but all those dang visions of Zendaya just bugged the crap out of me.
In the books he had visions more often and additionaly he had a visions of them kissing, fondling
Cinema Sin #1: Cinema Sins is not familiar with most if not all of the source material being adapted, as a result this one is a car crush of an episode 😂😂.
I can't stop laughing honestly the comments from this guy are the best imagine watching a movie with this guy and its all serious and he just goes
" Beware of the traveling trash bags."
There is a reason why we watch movies in silence THEN watch the cinemasins & cinemawins videos at home. :)
While I didn’t agree with most of it, I couldn’t stop laughing.
The main issue I had was the movie ended right when it was getting good.
I would have sat watching it for like 8 hours it was so enthralling.
I said the same thing to my wife. I was like "Dude I could be here for another four hours how the fuck is that the end of the movie"
Lmao glad I'm not the only one...
And it was not exactly a short movie either. Which speaks a shit ton to Denis' talent as a director. Because while the pace of the movie is methodical, it is never boring. That's tough to pull off. I would gladly accept a release of an extended edition like Lord of the Rings did. This was just so damn well made.
Lol absolutely!.... Inspite of it being a long movie, never felt bored for a second. Could have easily watched part 1 and 2 back to back
the problem with 2022 review ... the movie was bad for 8 hour but soon it is gonna be great....lmfao if the first one was bad the sequel prequel won t be better
I've never read Dune (just never got around to it), but if I had to guess the whole culture surrounding close range fighting with blades and martial arts (and assassins using specialized devices that moved slowly to bypass the shields) came about because shields, including personal shields, originally were designed against high speed ballistic (and possibly energy) based weaponry, rendering those unreliable and thus fell out of fashion, with physical combat training becoming a point of honour and skill and more consistently reliable in general.
Now why shields aren't engineered to intelligently determine if slow moving hostile actions are being taken, I don't know. I mean, I can certainly imagine early generation devices not accounting for it, and maybe not having sophisticated enough programming to make the distinction, but presumably it should have been solved at some point, yet apparently not. Might be a cultural thing though.
While gagging Paul in general would make some sense (it's just a thing to do), maybe they just hoped he'd excite their evil-boner with begging or something? Anyway, males are, as a rule, not trained with the power of the Bene Gesserit. It's just not done so it likely didn't even occur to them.
You're right, but it's not a "culture" thing, they just don't have the technology for doing what you propose. The shield is a "kinetic shield" so the only setting they have control over is penetration speed. If you set the speed to 0, the wearer would suffocate and/or have a lot of difficulty moving as he would bounce off of everything and himself. If the speed is too high it's not really effective.
I like it because it makes "scientific" sense that even in the future there are very clear limitations to technology, and it makes military sense that this technology would be adopted. Today guns have removed most of the defensive power an individual or unit has, so the way to win is to shoot first, basically everyone and everything is a "glass canon". In Dune the shield made that fighting style totally obsolete, and kind of revived "old style" fighting, with new quirks (slow blows).
Also for the shield to differentiate between hostile and friendly contact you would need some kind of AI program, but that technology has been prohibited in the Dune universe after humans realized intelligent computers were more detrimental than anything.
Of course since the author was making a comment on imperialism/monarchy, this is a nice bonus since it's very similar to the type of combat that was happening at the time this political system was popular historically, but I think it does make sense, and it's not just a justification device.
Shields : Conventional projectile weapons are utterly useless, Laser vs Shield interaction being so bad for both parties means all ranged weapons are utterly useless and avoided at all costs .. so melee weapons are used and the elite are trained to impressive levels
Bene Gesserit can change the molecular structure of chemicals from poison to ecstatic hallucinogens , the sex of their own child is obviously simple ...
Sand Storms on Arrakis ... can like storms on Earth lift anything in it ...
Mauler Pistol : Fremen use them because they don't use Shields ...
Paul who was trained by the two best best fighters in the universe, and is a Mentat, and Bene Gesserit, and a proto Kwisatz Haderach is easily better than any Fremen, and only does not beat every Fremen immediately because he has never killed....
I think you may have missed the point of this channel
The channel devolved years ago into nitpicking and ignoring the movie's story in service of a joke. You shouldn't be surprised
No, he doesn't beat Jamis instantly because he has trained almost exclusively to fight against shielded opponents so he keeps slowing his strikes at the last second in the duel which makes it seem to the Fremen that he is toying with Jamis. Obviously this is not what happens in the movie, but eh.
@@HIMPDahak this kinda is what happens in the movie, its just not mentioned. when Jessica says he never killed anyone she is lying so people don't realize his weakness. you can say that the movie is the same except we are not seeing Jessica and Paul's inner monologue, so we don't know what is happening. that is kinda why I think the movie felt like it was mostly made for people that already read the book, if you didn't a lot can be misinterpreted or fly over your head.
How is changing the sex of a human being "simple" compared to changing a poison to a hallucinogen? Especially since many hallucinogens *are* poison in proper doses? This makes absolutely no sense. It's orders of magnitude more difficult. I'll admit it's likely within the realm of possibility, given that *anything* can happen in the Dune universe, but this explanation holds no ground at all.
Everything Wrong with Dune?
Sand.
Cinema Sins is a fish.
Cinema Sins is definitely a fish.
Watching this “sin” counting was like having a conversation with someone who’s really stupid
Drinking game: Take a shot for every frame Zendaya appears in
PRACTICAL EFFECTS BEFORE CGI
That's my motto
Major spoilers - at least book-wise - below :
Many of the "sins" can be easily fixed by knowing the context, sadly a movie simply cannot convey such things properly, due to time constraints.
The Kwistaz Haderach in the context of the Duneverse is a prophesied messianic figure that would come to lead humanity through the "leap in the way", the literal meaning of the term in Hebrew. Another term is the Mahdi - Frank Herbert liberally peppered his creation with Judaic and Islamic mysticism.
The Benne Gesserit sisterhood have concluded through genetic research and manipulation that this figure would be born of a union between the Atreidis and Harkonnen bloodlines. The problem is the two houses are bitter enemies and would never concede to such a union voluntarily. Thus, about 2 decades before the events of Dune, the Bene Gesserit blackmailed Baron Harkonnen into providing them a heir of his blood. He eventually agreed, but during the "conception" he raped the sister that was to bear this ancestor of the messiah. In revenge, this sister infected him with a rare disease that harmed his body and caused extreme obessity - which is why he looks like this now. Yes, the Benne Geserit have molecular control over their bodily functions - and can absolutely choose the gender of their offspring, among many other abilities.
5:20 The Reverened Mother testing Paul is Gaius Helen Mohiam, that very same sister, Jessica's mother and Paul's grandmother. Yes, the Baron Harkonnen is Jessica's father, and thus Paul's grandfather. The plan was for Jessica to bear a daughter to Leto, who would then be mated with the Baron's nephew Feyd-Rautha to produce the Kwisatz Haderach. Jessica however, fell in love with Leto and willfully bore him a son instead, disobeying her sisters superior.
Definitely stuff you notice if you read the book!
Gotta agree hard with that bonus round. I liked the movie but it didn't need *that* many Zendaya daydreams. After the umpteenth close-up of her blue eyes, I was rolling my own going, "I GET IT! SHE'S PRETTY AND THEY'RE GONNA GET TOGETHER OR STHG JUST MOVE ON!" By the time she was actually on screen I almost disliked the character just from all that dreamy bullshit earlier that did nothin for nobody
And it is a pity too, because Chani is a great, strong, brave character in both Dune and Messiah. I really feel she is miscast here.
@@kartelUSM How is it her fault for the way she was written and how would a different actress have done it any better? It's more of a small nitpick anyway, because in the bigger picture the movie was actually pretty solid and way better than any other depiction of Dune that came before.
Let me teach you a thing about studio marketing and the box office
@@DeathBYDesign666 Wow, chill dude, no one said it was her fault, except maybe you. It is the movies fault though. And as far as this is the best version of Dune (really big competition there), it does not make it good. But, in whole honesty, I doubt that it's possible to do this book justice on a big screen.
And for the miscast comment, she just does not have the inner strenght Chani dows. At least for me, your milage may vary.
@@kartelUSM The person I replied to said the actress was "miscast" as in implying that she was not up to the challenge of doing this character justice, but I don't think there's anyone else that could have done better necessarily. There were some boring parts of course, the books themselves are very long winded, but there actually was a lot of really good depictions of the overall story. I enjoyed it more than 95 percent of the sci-fi coming out these days, which is still a low bar I realize but there are also some pretty damn great ones in that 5 percentage.