Superman II Donner/Lester Combo Ending
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2011
- I just watched Superman 2 the Richard Donner Cut and I must say it was pretty impressive. I liked that ending better except that he **SPOILER** used the spin the world trick again. Which has me thinking how many times has Superman made a mistake and just rewinded the world and had a do over. Anyway I kept the Superman magical kiss because of the great dialogue between Clark and Lois and had him respin the world because in the Silver Age of DC Comics Clark and Lois would've never kissed, just Superman and Lois...plus isn't he vulnerable to magic? How is he able to have the power of amnesia. Anyway I hope enjoy the combined ending. Though I have to say both this ending Donner's ending kill the plot behind Superman Returns...oh well that's why there's a reboot.
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Christopher Reeve is a very handsome man.
he used roids
Yes Lord!!! That man was FINE!!
@@blockaderunner That is total bs
Que triste final el de su vida real💔
@@magdarocioescobargarcia1503 Claro que si.
RIP chris and margot
"Just don't forget, don't ever forget" perfect way to sum up how to remember someone you love and when you lose them.
When I watched the movie as shown (with the amnesia kiss) my thought was, "I would think she would want to remember." They played it as her having a real broken heart - but we all knew the reason the relationship couldn't continue was that, if he had to give up his powers (and by the way, they don't really explain why he had to), then the world would be in danger. It wasn't like he found someone else! If she could remember, she would at least know Superman would choose her to be with if he could be with someone! And I don't get why she thought she could never fly with him again. They just couldn't, well, you know...
Isn't Superman Returns based on the premise that he leaves Earth for some reason at the end of this movie? I didn't think he was leaving Earth here - I thought he was continuing his "work."
Back in the day when women were sexy while being completely dressed.
And no tattoos (don't wanna sound prude 😊)
You know she did playboy right?
@@Matthias-sl6jr Was it after "Superman" or before?
@@danielpereyra6393 during
When Christooher Reeve got hurt in the accident Robin Williams who was a great friend of his for many years went to the hospital and gave the hospital a blank cheque to cove all Reeve's medical bills.
And he went in with a clowns nose on and did a comedy routine just to make his friend know that if he could still laugh then life could go on. Interesting fact, Christopher was beginning to regain some movement and sensations. He was so hellbent. I swear that if he hadn't of become ill he might of pushed his way to having more and more movement even walking with assistance. In in willpower to overcome, he really was a Superman.
Margot Kidder's performance here is unreal. "I promise. I'll never tell anyone who you really are".
That’s not her voice, I guess they couldn’t find the original audio.
I love the moment when she says, "You know, you're real super..." Clark stops for a moment, a note or two of the theme plays, and then he walks away. One of my favorite movie moments.
Margot Kidder was so beautiful!
No I don't think she was.
I agree and her chemistry with Reeve was and will forever be awesome
She was a very nice lady! Little eccentric maybe, but....
@@bonnie3447 To me Teri Hatcher, Erika Durance and Amy Adams are the best looking Lois Lane portrayers
I totally agree she was beautiful
The most sad thing of all is that they are both gone from this earth
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Best scene when you're a kid: superman throwing Zod to the coke. Best scenes when you're an adult: Dialogues between Super and Lois
Kkkkkk. Verdade!
"Don't you see that this is killing me? To have you come in here every morning? Not being able to show I have any feelings for you? 😭😢
That's what confused me. She can still show feelings for him, she doesn't have to hide it. Idk why she chose to do that.
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How dare they remove some of these scenes from the theatrical cut. Lois drawing a hat, suit and glasses on Superman's picture is perfect.
Because I think Richard Lester wanted to be credited as the director. And because Richard Donner finished 75% and you have to be a least 50% directed by you to be credited. Lester reshot some scenes which included adding new and deleted some. I think the balcony at least stay in intact, it’s probably the best scene of the entire movie.
Ha ha 😍🌭😃😃😎😎😎😍😎
@@user-hk7le8ix7r What does that mean?
The Donner Cut certainly has its moments but the film we got was still very successful and worked because, unlike today's audience that seems to need it, not everything has to be or should be explained.
Hate the eiffel tower& Niagara falls stuff in Lester version.Also as much as they were paying him have no idea why they would cut whole scenes with Brando.even extra stuff in 1st movie with Brando in 3 hour cut makes better movie.
Richard donner rules
It seems like every new scene that I see that comes popping up is just as magical and wonderful as what they did put into the movie. These movies were just precious gems
This brings back my moms childhood memories. It brought her to tears. Thank you for uploading this :) Never Delete It no matter how many dislikes or haters. This is a keeper!
Christopher Reeve is the ETERNAL Superman and Margot Kidder is THE ETERNAL Lois Lane.
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I like seeing the 3 criminals reimprisoned in the Phantom Zone in their eternal living death as they earned with their evil ways.
I’m impressed on how Lois Lane affords that roof top apartment on a newspaper reporter’s salary.
Yes ... a pity the Salkind/Donner friction had to play out how it did ... but the magic still shone through ... thank you Margot Kidder, Christopher Reeve, and Richard Donner, Tom Mankiewicz and John Williams ... and everyone involved ... my heart is in this film
Still the best - no one will be superman apart from Christopher Reeve
Lois and Clark couldn't be together because he couldn't risk having his enemies attack her should they find out that he's Superman. He may be indestructible but Lois is not and his enemies know that they can hurt him by hurting her.
Correct that is why Jor El told Kal El in Superman The Movie on his first night after he did some rescues why he must keep his identity Kal El asks him why and he tells him that first can't always serve humanity and secondly his enemies will discover the only their only way to hurt him will be by hurting those he cares for
so true
Lex Luthor did showed the Villans right to her at the Daily Planet and then they took Lois as a hostage.
2006
Lois's analogy about being married to a doctor is a perfect example of why it *could* work. It's not like Clark is Superman 24/7; he spends time at work and time at his apartment in Metropolis. There's no reason he couldn't spend his "down time" with Lois.
The biggest source of angst for Superman imo is that he wishes he could be everywhere all the time, but he just can’t. He may be a Super man, but he’s still only a man and can only be in one place at a time and has personal needs too. Every night when Superman goes home and puts his head to the pillow is a moment like the end of Schindler’s List. “I could have done more!” We’re not really seen that in such detail but if you want to really explore the tragic side of having Superman’s powers, that’s it. It’s certainly not “I don’t owe this world anything!”
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@@bradenhogan2 dude, those words did not come out of Henry Cavill's Superman. That was from his mother. On top of that, modern day Superman doesn't neglect his romance. He ended up marrying Lois, and they had a kid. In Superman and Lois, they have two boys.
@@mainstreetsaint36 ohh sorry it wasn’t Superman, just literally the most formative person to his decision to become Superman that said that. In the Superman mythology, it’s often his Ma Kent who plants the idea in his head to use his powers to help others. That was the case in the origin in Superman #1, the first version of the origin to show more of the Kents. To take that character and turn her into literally the opposite is to have a Superman whose motivations are CONFUSED… Not complicated, confused. Like he doesn’t know what he wants to do or why he wants to use his powers the way he does
I think it was implied he had to give up his powers to have an intimate relationship with her (although they don't say why) and the world needed him to use his powers. But in the 90s TV series, Lois Lane and Clark Kent start a relationship (after she has learned to love Clark as a person and then learns the secret) and their coworkers and other acquaintances see two reporter co-workers falling in love and getting married. Lois is "officially" Clark's wife. The premise there was, Superman is Clark in the disguise, not the other way around.
Would love to see Superman the movie and superman 2 put together as one movie with both donner cut and lester scenes all in it be great because one and two is just one big nealy 6 hour movie be fantastic to watch
As much as I loved the Donner cut, the kiss scene and the flag ending were solely missed.
Very Impressive ! I saw both of these versions ,though i'm partial with the Lester finale (saw in theater back then) I think the Donner finale was well done which fit's Lois's personality more, she was feisty & not really sappy,& more then anything else she was a realist, which makes sense that she must come to terms that Superman belongs to the World, Good job in seamlessly blending all this together,&, like Clark & Vivien (GWTW), John & Olivia (Grease) etc, Christopher & Margot = Perfect Duo
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Superman 1, and 3 goes to show that a man like him could actually fly! Christopher Reeve had passed away, but he will never be forgotten to millions of his fans, all over the world ! R I P, Mr Reeves.
Definately!I've never loved Superman as much as I do when I get to see any of parts of what we're the best and that we're these beautiful and most magical scenes from my childhood favourite superhero films, which growing up in the eighties we're of the one and only sadly now late Christopher Reeves as the ultimate Superman. Alongside him, also my favourite and best and only Lois Lane, played by also very sad death of Margot Kidder.They oozed SO much chemistry and we're my absolute favourite back then, and still are now, in 2024. I did notice Margot Kidder (Lois Lane) had a lesser and lesser role unfortunately in the Superman sequels, and noticed that as a child, and had been saddened, not seeing as much of her.But I read as an adult, that she'd had something very serious happen, that had tragically realky affected her health. I think I read only last year, that she'd committed suicide, and that she'd had mental illness bless her.To me, she'll always be my favourite Lois Lane.Margot was born to play Lois, and if I'd had children, I'd have shown them Superman, from a young age and hopefully keep both Christopher Reeves' name alive, as the only and best Superman that graced the earth and to hopefully keep his memory alive.I remember clearly seeing the fourth installment at the cinema, back where I'm from with one of my brothers.I think Margot Kidder only had a few scenes in it and superman's enemy, had been some sun man or something. I enjoyed Richard Pryers part in the 3rd Superman and I think the sequels, could have been better especially come the fourth one.I can't help but wonder, if Margot Kidder hadn't been unwell bless her, maybe the sequels might've had a much better chance of surviving.Without her in them as much, they just weren't for me personally; the same.I'm so thankful, that I grew up in the 80's, they were the best times for epic movies ever!!!
Jor El told him he was forbidden to interfere with human history. So he did it twice!
Shouldn't there be consequences for interfering with human history? I mean he did broke his father's orders.
@@jasminnemcdonald94A there is, he can’t be with Lois anymore do to the fact he interfered with human history.
YOU'RE DARN RIGHT HE DID!! He's Superman he can do whatever he wants 🤣
The Donner Cut is from the idea that the original ending of Superman the Movie where he [Superman] doesn't turn back time.
beautiful, beautiful man
R.I.P CHRISTOPHER REEVE/CLARK KENT/SUPERMAN (SEPTEMBER 25th, 1952 - OCTOBER 10th, 2004), MARGOT KIDDER (OCTOBER 17th, 1948 - MAY 13th, 2018), & OF COURSE, RICHARD DONNER ( APRIL 24th, JULY 5th, 2021) YOU GUYS WILL BE MISSED FROM THE HEAVENS 2 ALL OF US.🙂👍✌️❤️😊😁⭐🥰😘😢😭🐦🕊️🇺🇸🌎🌈🙏🌹🎥📀📼🎞️🎬🍿
I actually prefer the theatrical version more, but that's just because I grew up watching that, if I had come in without having seen this movie and seen this version, it'd be good, and it is good, I just enjoy the original more. I like both and have both, but the original is my go-to.
The scene between Chris and Margo outside the fortress of solitude after he destroys it.... and they kiss. That is the best in my honest opinion Margot Kidder ever looked in her life. She was very pretty here and it is such a sweet and tender scene. It should’ve remained in the final cut of the film. I just wish in retrospect that Richard diner would’ve stayed on and completed 23 and maybe even for work. How different things would have been for this franchise. Christopher Reeve and Margot Kidder were the best to ever portray these characters ever. The first two films specifically were a major parts of my youth. Wonderful memories!
Lester having Lois with a ashy cigarette hanging out of her mouth was making her come across as about as unattractive as possible.
Me both scenes work beautifully
It’s too bad they erased Lois’s memory in both versions. I like the idea of Superman trusting Lois with his secrets, and conversely that Lois would never sell him out.
The knowledge she had of Clark being Superman was too much for her to handle she couldn't tell a soul she was the only human being on the planet who had the biggest kept secret and she couldn't share it with anyone
He thought it was better to have her forget everything because he saw how her knowledge of who he was, and that they couldn't be together, was tormenting her. So he erased the events of the last few days from her memory out of compassion for her.
These movies didn't have that much faith in Lois as a person. They had a great actress in the role, and then wrote her a bit like an idiot with bad spelling.
And, at least, with the memory, she would know that he actually loved her - and would be with her if he could be with anyone.
i love the begin scene i must cry of it
In the Silver Age Superman had far greater powers then today. Super cooling breath was one that he used in this movie. Super Ventriloquism was one as well. He could literally throw his voice. Super Hypnotism was another.
Sem dúvida não haverá outro superman...Christopher reeve será para sempre esse grande heroi
Great editing job !! Some of the scenes are new to me.
I like that Superman doesn’t kill in this version.
Superman doing that AGAIN reversing time is putting another risk at general zod and his team escaping.🤷🏻♂️
This is great. I always thought that the turning back time feat worked much much better in Superman the Movie. It gave us that superscream. Thanks for making this.
Only Clark and Lois I will ever acknowledge.
I liked the first ending far better. She wouldn't want to forget, certainly not by a 'magical' kiss.
I think that time has shown that the correct choice was made regarding where to put the reversing time ending.
QUE HOMBRE!!,... 6.0 HERMOSOS OJOS Y MIRADA IMPRESIONANTE!!!
THE BEST FOREVER CRIS...
If i closed my eyes,I can hear the voice of Monica Geller..(Courtney Cox) hahahahaha
The original idea was for the first film to end on a cliffhanger- Lois dead, but they ran out of money shooting the second film, so they stopped. Released the first film, made tons of money resumed and finished part II, drama occurred again with Donner getting fired.
Margot Kiddar and Christopher Reeve were first and foremost good and decent people. Even though it is a movie, it is still possible to feel that it is two extraordinary people, a kind of innocence and beauty that is not so much found today. I pray that there will be a desire before our God to have their rest in heaven, and we will get to see them in the resurrection soon!
I've seen all the superman movies, and this makes me wonder what the hell I've been watching, cause I never saw Lois shoot Clark, even though it would've been awesome.
Watch Superman 2 the Richard Donner cut released in 2006
Beautifull film. Christopher Reeves. just wow, lois and clarke a bigger love story than Romeo and Juliet
Lol
This superman had people really thinking they can fly growing up.
If Superman was able to turn back time even erasing what the Phantom Zone villains did, then how would the people at the diner even remember who Clark Kent was and the damage that was done in the final scene?
Leaving Lois to deal with her relationship with Superman seems more intriguing than having her memory of being with him wiped away with a " magic kiss".
Although, I think the theatrical cut is better, there some scenes in the Donner version which are good.
Undoing events by turning back time won't really help progress the story, Lois will eventually discover Clark's secret identity somewhere along the way since Lois has a nosey instinct a quality of extraordinary reporter like her would really get to the bottom of things.
thats where it was supposed to be thats why donner added it in there plus moo!
Also, the universe is deterministic, so if you turn back time and then run it forwards again, the same stuff will just happen again. 🤓
@@lebojay Depends.
I told Warner brothers I wanna direct a superman movie but they didn't respond.
Just watch the love scenes 😍 ♥ reminds me of you and me
Herói 😍
Watch this video here on UA-cam, gives a lot of background on the situation:
Superman II & Richard Donner cut - Retrospective / Review in HD
add the LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@SB992REBORN lol, first posted this comment over 8 years ago when that wasn't permitted. Should come up just fine with a search, just copy and paste. I'll add the link later.
Spinning the Earth backwards to turn back time was the originally ending for Superman II not Superman The Movie, since they were supposed to be one big story line.
i hold SM2 VERY dear as it was with my mom when I was 9 we went to see it on opening day 33 years ago (she let me ditch school to take me :) IMO the chosen theatrical ending was superior, it sums up the story perfectly! this "new" ending creates all sorts of logic/plot holes i.e. why doesn't superman just spin the earth back to BEGIN with? sometimes studio heads know what they are doing...SOMETIMES ;) Apocalypse Now "Re-Dux" is an example where the deleted footage adding NOTHING to the film.
Donner's cut gets some criticism about the time travel part. But I feel like it's implied that Superman went and stopped Lex before the nukes were launched which started the whole thing. At the beginning of the Donner cut it does mention that it wasn't a complete film and it wasn't. I wonder if Donner's cut would have been a finished product that it would have been better. Yes there are things I like about both cuts. I like how Superman calls Lex a poisonous snake in the Donner cut. It seems like he's really pissed off.
its complete...... and thats it being complete!!!!!!!
Clark should have let her pay for half of the pizza. Have some dignity.
Wow,that was great!
They have two versions of superman 2 like they do with justice league now i figured they might do that anyway since they have two directors that made superman 2 like they did with justice league n probably with others movies too or other movies we don't know about neither they probably gonna start release two versions of movies lately on anyway lol🙏😎
Rest in power to Chris and Maggot!
Honest to God I hoped Superman and Lois would tie the knot in this, but they didn't. I have the Richard Donner version of Superman 2 and it was the best. Screw Richard Lester, even though his only 2 masterpieces were 2 of the Beatles' movies; having Donner fired was one of the worst things to happen in this series.
I have the Richard Donner one too
The "spinning around" trick that superman uses was supposed to be only used for part 2, but the producers liked how it looked so used it in part 1....so keep that in mind and don't think that every time superman just uses that trick to solve everything
He does on Robot Chicken lol.
doing time travel once was ok since I thought it was him pushed extreme by her death but having him have a reset button is way too powerful and kinda lame, He can redo anything it becomes a video game with respawns and if he ever dies supergirl could simply turn back time undoing his death. Its too godly to not make it a one time use!
Rip Christopher Reeve
He bounced like a boss...
This sequel and especially the first film is arguably the best Superman films ever was made (in my opinion) I remembered it like was yesterday. I guess I'm telling my age huh? Anywho we as uojng adults where so crazy to watch it on the big movie screen that some of us would go back to the theater and see it more than once. We already knew Clark had a thing for Lois Lane but was unsure of telling her yoh only really know until the end of the first movie Its too bad Christopher Reeves died many years ago.
Louis says she is too selfish and thats the most true thing she has ever said. She was in love with Superman just because he had super powers. Lana's love was authentic because she was in love with CLARK despite she didnt know he had any powers.
hheheheheh WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!! Lois AND CLark AND LanA DESERVE EACHOTHER BECAUSE THEY ARE EACHOTHERS SUPERHERO!!!!!! also bthe way, who`s Louis?
Quel dommage que pour des bagarres stupides Richard Donner n'ai pu mener à bien les 3 trilogies. Cela aurait été grandiose car il faut avouer que les suivants n'ont pas été à la hauteur. Je suis très émue de revoir certaines scènes malheureusement coupées. Christopher Reeve et Margot Kidder incarnaient à la perfection ces deux personnages. Ils me manquent beaucoup 🙏
It's strange, I came across this scene after not seeing it in many years. I didn't get it as a kid, but at age 38/39, it really hurts when she says that. Isn't that all that really matters? "Just tell me you love me." I have tears in my eyes seeing this now. Thanks for uploading it.
Me, too! As a kid, I don't think I could've grasped just how much it HURTS to love somebody and not to have them love you in return. I mean, it's not like she didn't love him or that he didn't love her. They both loved each other, but it wasn't going to work that way. I mean, think of it: If Superman is immortal, or pretty close to it, that means he'd outlive Lois by a long shot, and all of his friends and loved ones. That's s one reason why it wouldn't work between them. I don't know about you, but I wouldn't wanna live forever and see all my friends and loved ones die and not be able to go be with them. When she said that, gut wrenched, because I know what it is to love someone who didn't return my love and I know what it is to feel uncertain about someone's love even when they really DO love you. I've been in both situations before. It HURTS BAD!!! My heart was breaking for them both, but especially for him because, while he erased Lois' memories so she wouldn't suffer anymore, HE still had to live with the memories and the unrequited love and desires. :..(
Dang I've never seen this one before
Lester's ending, fixes Lois knowing Superman's secret identity problem, Donner's ending, fixes that and all the property damage as well.
theres 2 of them, the Lester version and the Donner version. When filming superman ii, richard donner was fired for financial reasons and richard lester was hired to finish the film but i thibnk h re shot sum seens asn then then the film was released, thats the 1 im sure uve always seen. and then in 2006 richard donner went bak to the studio and grabbed all the old superman II film & footage he filmed and put it together and re edited it and it was released on blu ray. both hav different endings
The music in films of this era was top notch, they really evoked so much.
Superman vaporized Putin instead of luthor in the fortress
These two have such a wonderful sexual tension. Totally believable.
So, it seems that Superman has some of the same skills that Spock has - the ability to selectively erase specific memories from a person via a mind meld.
as much as I detest Lester's ending minus the mind wipe kiss, it was top notch, emotion and acting
Christopher Reeve, the best.
@eugene1 Spinning the world makes more sense than the amnesia kiss but in Donner version the explosion was caused by Superman throwing one of Luthor's rockets into space from part one.
Fun fact, the Superman movie originally did not have Lois dying and Supes turning back time. It was supposed to be here in the second part. That's why it seems repetitive
That was added in because of the dispute between Donner and the Salkinds. It was one of the things that Lester did. The original ending was Superman does save Lois but her car gets destroyed. It did have one of the funniest lines between Lois and Superman.
Superman: Sorry about your car.
Lois: Don't worry about it, it's a Hertz.
Lois’ apartment is so nice!
He was my first crush when I was 8. Got to be those Blue eyes
This scene was legendary
The BEST
Lois Lane (margot kidder) face changes a lot from scene to scene. Please look at her:) I think this is the big problem of the film. They mix donner's scenes with lester's scenes...with two years of difference.
Donner and Mankiewicz were adamant about making the "Superman & Lois" dynamic the centerpiece of the whole thing, and it seemed that in their minds, having Lois fall for Clark ruined it.
no, Clark kissing Lois AT FIRST was prohibitted THEN made it work later on!
This is great I’ve never seen the extended version ❤
I think they did everything perfect the 1st time
Portrayal of True Lovers Life YEAH😍😍😎😎😍😃😍😎😎😀😎😎
how many versions are there made of superman Im very confused please help
This is why i use to say that the parting of True Lovers is one painful thing😮😮😮u😮😊
The creative decision to remove these scene's from the final edit was a fatal mistake!
Only to give up power to Learn he can not for the sake of being ordinary and not being able to do anything great. Never give up power for a woman. Never tell a woman your secret because you either have to make her forget or regret telling her. In his case, just undo it and only you know what happened. Superman can live in the future. The past, or the present. He can be everywhere and no one would know.
Honestly both cuts screw up the ending, they should’ve removed both the memory wiping and the traveling back in time and just end it with Superman going to space
You could have just splashed the FOS scene into the next day with the Kiss them went to the Diner and had the flag scene at the end which is still to this date one of the greatest end scene of any movie that Lester actually got right with Superman carrying the American Flag back to the White House.