I've went against people who ( not even exaggerating) spend 10 or more minutes on the very first turn, sometimes they win before I get my turn by burn damage Modern dueling is complete ass And you only see the same 5 copy pasted decks and nothing else
For real last week i was playing master duel can actually counted against one guy Who went first he spent 26 minutes just special summoning and filled his entire board with 2 monster effect negeates, If i tried to add a card to my hand he'd be able to banish a card on my field. if i played a spell or trap he'll pop a card on my field. so i just forfeited ON THE SECOND TURN i couldn't do anything. How is this fun???? there's no interaction anymore just otk or forfeit
@@thelurker552 that is exactly why I can't get into it anymore, the game lost all it's fun when they started introducing cards that let you combo forever and adding cards that negate anything and everything you try to do the second the duel starts, there's no fun in that at all, and who tf wants to wait half an hour every turn? I miss when duels were like 1 maybe 2 minute turns tops and it was back and forth
I remember the days when you actually Attack with Monsters with Spells, Traps and actual interactions with your opponents. Now in this Modern Time, everybody wants to do all this Summoning BS. Ever since Pendulums and Links came in. It all went to 💩 after that
i like how the game was basically always like this with more steps now with less steps and manchildren want a game to be changed to suit them even though it's literally a children's card game. A meme from the abridged series. the show had cards do different things but no one cares about that cause yeah ofc they did it was a show for children lol.
@@filler7359 I mean Magic: The Gathering has remained pretty much the same, just each set has a unique mechanic but otherwise remains viable throughout (depending on format, something YGO really should gave implemented.)
For me, the reason I hate modern yugioh is that you're not really playing a game anymore, you're essentially just playing with yourself and if you can't win turn 0-1, then you scoop and go onto the next "game". With magic, because it relies heavily on resources and resource management, you can't just go ham out the gate and you're forced to take your time and strategize.
My thoughts exactly. Although I never played Magic the Gathering, I do love the old Duel Masters tcg that got cancelled and the new digimon tcg which both have mtg as a foundation.
Then blame the Anime mindset that pushed the game towards powercreep. Don’t lie, we all wanted to preform Epic wins like Yugi and Kaiba on those OTK. The Anime practically built the players of this game.
more like, you don't play the game anymore more like the game play you into reading a lot, lot of word then try to comprehend the formula, and most of the time you play by using other people's meta deck instead creating your own deck. damn I missed old school yugi-oh game..
Thing is all games are like this It's like the Marilyn Manson song beautiful people. Capitalism has made it this way, but old fashion fascism will take it away. We need Chinese levels of regulation on the taking industry. Like you gotta meet a bare minimum in game design, or not only do you NOT get to make money, your kids get taken away. Because if my ass has to go to work and pay taxes, you are being held to a higher standard. That or you can die in a labor camp. I don't care. I see you as less than a human being if you can sleep at night developing and profiting off of garbage. I hate you, I hate your family, I hate your dog.
@@danielramsey6141 Since when did yugi/kaiba OTK during an actual serious duel? Yeah kaiba FTK'd with Obelisk, but that was him straight up cheating against some no name punk to show the power of the god card. It wasn't meant to make OTKing look cool but rather to make Obelisk look cool. The only other times I recall either of the two OTKing, it wasn't actually executed until a few turns into the duel, which can only very loosely be called an OTK if it is one at all.
I had 1 guy doing that " Power Ranger B.S" for 5 min straight, I literally almost forgot I was even in a dual match.... Maybe just surrendering during their final power up will piss them off.
This makes me thankful that I have a few people at my locals that play past formats. Goat (2005), Edison (2010) and HAT (2014) are all much more interactive. Those 3 are also fun bc goat focuses on fusions Edison does synchro and hat does xyz
I'm actually quite envious of you because I don't have an easy means to play older formats in real life. I was hoping master duel would allow us to do that with additional format options and including original versions of cards but I realize it's very unlikely now. Best we can get is these extra deck specific formats.
@@phorchybug3286 it's named after a deck that won a championship during that year. Hands Artifact Traptrick. The deck was basically a pile of those three with a bunch of good staple spell/traps/rank 4s. It's a really fun format that feels like modern but where non floodgate trap cards are still good
I never player yugioh growing up but i did play Duel links back in 2018 and I loved it. It felt casual and if I had a decent deck I could hang in ranked mode but then they added all these overpowered, one shot decks that killed the experience. I tried master duel when it first came out thinking it would solve some issues but it's even worse. This game sucks for casual players like myself.
One shot decks were pretty much always a thing. Cards like Power Bond and Limiter Removal are designed to allow one shots, hence why they have big drawbacks.
Even as a Yugioh card collector and an old-school duelist after a 20-year absence, I experienced the worst things in Master Duel. I waited 5-10 minutes for my first and second turns until the opponent finished a turn and still lost. My old-school Yugioh style wouldn't work at all.😥
Many of us have been talking about it and I always asked about modes like that in all their surveys where they asked us "what can we do improve" but still nothing.
Solutions to Konami's game shouldn't have to come from a third party. Plus, Dueling book can get ridiculously slow at times. Last time I tried to play it, I got stuck in this attack declaration loop where the opponent declared an attack, my game lagged, the opponent redeclared the attack (due to impatience I assume) which caused y game to lag again, then they would redeclare the attack, and just keep declaring the same attack over and over again and i was never allowed to send my monster to grave.
I keep watching videos of people playing, with highlights. Then I’m like, “dude I’ll play that”. Re-install, watch a guy spend 5+ minutes setting up their field, which blocks me entirely, and lose in 2 turns, assuming I don’t brick first. Then I delete it again and hope I won’t forget how badly modern plays. A single card set or simple play is a death sentence today.
I don't play this game and only now it back then from the anime. It's funny to see this. What is the point in this game??? Looking at each other for 20 minutes how the one who goes first beats you in 1 turn?! How can anyone with a brain get enjoyment out of this?!
Yeah I hate it too, which is why I use Mystic Mine on them and come in and out of the game at times cause I hate players that plays 20+ special summons, 20+ deck searches and draws to the point they can use their whole deck in their first turn.
Yeah. Seriously they need to add a restrictions where per turn only one Syncro-summon are allowed. So that way the said players who have to depends on it need to think twice cause if they Syncro-summon at the beginning first their Synchro monster may not be powerful enough unless if they are ready to pay a big price for the lack of spell/trap card.
@@gaming1zanagi-1999 konami wont do anything, cuz it no longer cares about the state of the game, its currently business is pachinko, yugioh is just another way to guarantee easy money, as they literally charge absurd amounts for just a few pieces of cardboard
Modern Yugioh players on their first turn pulling all this crap: I am a god! Gamers with no job who are scorned for playing a couple hours a day: And I thought I had no life....
The biggest thing for me is that turns are soooooo long. I really want to enjoy it, because there's so many cool cards and interesting decks you can make. I'm not even to the point of understanding the meta or seeing how cheap the new combos are but seems frustrating.
It is frustrating, it doesn't just look it. Best thing I reccomend is playing the solo mode and practicing first but once you play against other people it's gonna be a whole different animal depending on what they're using.
Yeah i’m a bit tired of getting beat on turn 3 myself when i go second, i used to like going second because i could draw a card and get the first attack in but now it seems like you have to go first to get any kind of momentum
It's an extremely flawed system because the game is vastly flawed in general. If you don't get to set a lot of traps or combo your way to a bunch of monsters that prevent your opponent from playing, you're at a disadvantage from the start card advantage wise. However, they implemented this at the start of arc v because they knew with the card pool the way it is decks are gonna swarm and do that anyway so it's supposed to give them a "handicap". The reality is for those that don't play decks where everything floats like cursed eidolon/invoked you start with a disadvantage AND they get an extra card to do everything they were going to do anyway.
This game turned into your opponent summons a full board of negates and you bricked with the cards that are supposed to be good to counter it unless you are a yugituber that dedicates to humilliating those toxic ass players
More about showcasing and taking off the frustration of my own chest. While I do get angry I can't blame the players that want to use whatever they think will get easy wins.
@@SaberWolf94 Yeah but the fact that you have to run so many bricks just to counter the whole meta or run the broken decks yourself until they get banned meaning your wallet was wasted on stuff you wont use anymore makes Yugioh suck ass now.
I knew the game was approaching disaster when xyz first came out. Then I felt the damage done to my wallet and thought only the blind will continue to support this game. It is suffering when you try to keep up with garbage that is piling up.
Xyz was actually cool and fun. But after that, when Pendulums, Links and start coming in, it Just Killed the Whole Vibe of the game and Franchise. I got friends I know and said the exact same thing without me even mentioning it.
I don't really have a problem with Synchros, sure some Synchro monster effects are broken but they're not invincible. They're only OP when you play your cards right and that takes skill. I also love the fact that you can't just use any monsters, they require Tuners and sometimes other Synchro monsters that equel the level of the desired Synceo monster. Xzy's paved the way for the insane power creep we have today and Pendulums normalized it. Rendering everything that came before them useless.
Cards like Baron De Fleur didn't need to have all 3 of its effects. Same for Enforcer. It doesn't matter if its a synchro, xyz or a normal effect monster. A broken card is a broken card. I agree about pendulums though.
@@SaberWolf94 Those are modern cards, they have to be broken in order to compete with Xyz and Links, it's the Power Creep. What he is talking about it's before that level of brokeness what instaled, back when It was only Fusions and Synchros.
Sorry to burst your bubble but it was Synchros that turned the main deck into an engine spammer and graveyard a second hand. Xyz era actually reeled that stuff back in by cutting the solitaire style synchro summon ladders out of the loop and made hand resources the prime metric as opposed to deck search/mill. Even dino rabbit just got the two xyz dragons out and passed the turn as opposed to summoning and summoning over and over and over again. Gladiator beasts are the reason why the extra deck was made into a toolbox. Synchros are the reason the game became solitaire with recursive effects. Arc V era is when all archtypes and playstyles be it fusion synchro xyz got absurd support Vrains era sealed the deal with links in terms of spamming things and pretty much playing a 3 turn game. Links are the same concept as synchros but faster an without the tuner restriction.
This is why I favours older console YGO more cause even against the AI you need to strategize well and the way you build your deck and your own play style can turn the tables cause guarantee your first move won't be a killer move
Also they should restrict the amount of Synch-summon by every turn only once it can be performed per turn. At least that makes the said player think twice to do Synchro immediately or not
The big difference is that the console games aren't built to be competitive. Pretty sure that if you look at speedruns of those games, you'll see the same issues, probably to a lesser extent tho.
It didn't used to be like this. I swear it's like these days I don't even know what the fuck is going on in the match when this XYZ and Sychro stuff happens. It makes no sense.
Yep. Instead get your opponent guessing and on their toes let's just end them quickly without attempting to use normal monster card as a starter or low leveled monster effect
you know what's really unfair in this games? those boss monsters with Quick Effect,,, i hate them with fiery passion,, they don't really let me do anything while they're around,, i just summon a monster but he immediately remove it because it have quick effect? why won't you let me play?
I find the game much slower than 3-4 years ago. If you be careful most tier 1 decks are great at always have their resorces not at establishing one billion nagates. Few years ago only ss and then salads was playing like that. The compos was at the same range as rongho. The thing is that in master duel we have best of one so no side deck and badicaly you have to play blow out cards like droplets and feather duster in your main meaning you lose consistency thus making the best decks those that have small engines and plenty of room. It doesnt mean that in tcg is not the same but you have the option to scoop game one and be prepared for the other 2 games. Basically floating for generating advantage is the name of the game big compos like you show are not even good and can can easily stoped with few handtraps or blow up cards you just need to have room in your deck and still be able to play after...
I never said the game was worse than 4 years ago. Modern yugioh is modern yugioh. It has the same problems that it has in the arc-v era and in some of the worst parts of the zexal era (spellbook,dragon ruler format). The justifications you made is EXACTLY why the game is not balanced. Back in the day that game wasn't about "if you only have raigeki you win" "if you only have pot of greed you win" or "scoop the first game if your opponent has a bunch of monsters that negate everything because you can side for game 2". Th logic of "if you open hand traps or X card you can stop your opponent" is nonsense. Do you think chess would have its reputation of the skilled game it is if it worked like that? I know what a floater is. We start the game with 5-6 cards. How do you think decks like adamancipator, drytron, virtual world and burning abyss build their big boards if their monsters didn't float? It's basically monsters that special summon, grab other monsters that special summon that grab OTHER monsters that special summon you rinse and repeat a few times and you have typical modern yugioh. Floating isn't just Sangan like effects. Look at the cards the game is still creating. How long do you think a card like D hero Enforcer is gonna last? Why did they make it so broken? They keep making broken cards knowing they are going to ban them and knowing people will be forced to buy and use them if they want to get some wins. Because of the state they put the game in they can never go back; they have to keep printing new broken cards for players to jump onto. The fact that the game is not rotation based only makes things more complicated with random FTK decks like the new psychic cyber stein FTK deck now and other broken interactions.
@@SaberWolf94 all i say is that generally the game become more about generating advantage than denying opponents advantage. DP is broken yeah casue it helps in exactly that having constantly a card that can desrupt opponent for free. I did not say that is not a problem to have stables for stopping the opponent, i also think that is bad. What i say is that crazy fast compos in general are not the greatest decks. There are anoying yes but the have many many weakness and the way to beat them is more standard you can prepare for that and have great chance to win. Also we have much more for going second cards that we did not had few years ago. In a way we are in a state of game that we have answers in compo boards as much if not more as we have on control trap boards. I mean DPE alone is decent board nowdays, where if a compo couldn't establish 3 nagates in bad situation was trash thats a big step for more interactive gameplay. For me DPE thought very very powerful is not a problem the problem is floadgate effects and not great diversity for going second cards. We need more cards like droplets which i thing is one of the best disigned cards which can be spell speed 4 but in contitions and many time that counts a lot. In my opinion modern's yugioh had the problem of having lock effects that are just 2 easy (herald, rongho, skill drain, winda) which make you unable to play and only needing specific cards for out. That is the worst but i like the think that there are great compos and the idea that you can nowadays break a 3-4 nagates board and simplify the game state much easier and i think the skill for break a board today in contrast with till mid XYZ era is way more. All in all i believe that both old school and modern yugioh have different weakness. T set pass or having to stall till make a 2-3 card compo to comeback is also kinda bad and the game would be boring if that formula went on. So evey era has ots strengths and weaknesses. All that need to balance the game even further in my opinion is simply to give some going second options inside the archetypes in more unique design so that we can have more archetype cards and less stables and have great floatgates either have great costs or being dificult to generate them. A good example os the currently best deck probably despia. They can fuse with your monsters and there boards are not extraordinary you or sky striker one kaiju is all you needed back in the day and you could OTK them. Lastly i thing we need smaller engines and maybe more categorical engines for example something like the pk engine, is strong small max 5 card at main and specific for dark monsters not anyone can abuse it but is strong non the less for when it can be used.
They are not opponents. They are enemies that use overpowered and antagonistic strategies with little to no mercy to the poor duelist for themselves, thinking that 1 turn-killing makes you a duelist. No you are a fraud if you care about winning more than enjoying the duel itself.
It's the generic cards that allow for all this crazy combo'ing, you should give Thematic Yu-Gi-Oh! a try. Unfortunately, there is no shiny platform for this format (yet) like Master Duel, but playing with and against Thematic decks gives a way more intuitive, back-and-forth playing, and balanced experience. Generally, no setting up big boards, no abundant special summons, no generic cards. Really worth a try especially for returning YGO players.
@@dudono1744 copied from the TYGO rulebook: Thematic Yu-Gi-Oh! introduces intuitive deck building alongside theatrical and balanced duels while preserving the profound characteristics of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game. The format is based on the idea that cards are intended to be balanced within their own Theme. Players duel with Thematic Decks, which include cards that logically synergize with cards in the Deck, restricting an abundance of generic staple cards. Thematic Decks keep the strengths but also the weaknesses of its Theme intact, leaving no Deck invincible and providing possibilities for overall weaker but specifically proficient Decks. Players may choose decks of the same Power Tier to further increase the odds for a balanced matchup, commonly leading to well-sized and plentiful turns. Thematic Yu-Gi-Oh! is up to date with all card releases. 1. Thematic Decks may include: o In the Main and Extra Deck, any card that lists or is listed on a card in the Deck. o In the Main Deck, also any card that logically synergizes with a card in the Deck, except cards of an(other) Archetype. 2. Thematic Decks may only include Archetype-related cards by including 10+ Main Deck cards of that Archetype, among which 5+ different cards. In Layman’s terms: “Pick a legal card to build the Deck around, then you can add any Main Deck cards that synergize with the cards in your Deck. However, to include an Archetypal card the player must include 10+ Main Deck cards of that Archetype, among which 5+ different cards. Finally, you can add any Extra Deck card that lists or is listed on a card in the Deck.” You can find the concept and rules in more detail in the rulebook which can be found in the TYGO Discord:
The problem is what can really be done about it? Can we ban entire decks? Perhaps get rid of hand traps? Maybe get rid of these cards that can "pop" our cards, then attack our LP directly right after?
As a casual yugioh players, I think you should (Must- in these modern format) add more "Staples" cards to have a chance to go Second (it's something that the MD tutorial is lacking). It's called "Boardbreaker" spells Like Raigeki, Dark Ruler No More, Infinite Impermanence... Those cards are more newbie-friendly than the hand traps like Maxx C (Some of them their Monster negation boards cant respond too like Dark Ruler one) Theretically, It's more like a classic yugioh that all your monster are vanilla
I've been playing since 2002, I'm not a newbie and I did run hand traps and power cards like Raigeki and Duster. If you always have the exact cards you want in hand then congrats but that isn't the case. Don't assume so much by watching only one vid.
@@SaberWolf94 Don't be too hard on the kids, they're desperate to justify the shambles their game is in and their place in it. Turns out, we yugiboomers got out at the rightest time possible.
@@SaberWolf94 Exactly! Unless you're just running "staples the deck" you always have a decent chance of not opening any or not opening enough. If you are just cursed with bad hand trap luck and NEVER open a hand trap so long as it's possible not to, then I guess you're just fucked regardless of skill? Besides, even the one game you did get Raigeki was a non-game really, which only serves to emphasis your point. Just because you won that game, it doesn't mean it was a good game. By that logic, every game would be a good game, provided you look through only the winner's perspective.
As someone who recently got into Yu-Gi-Oh This game is really fun maybe it's because I joined really about two months ago but I already know how to to play cyberdragon,virtual world, drytron,and despia. (I learned them through a friend) 7/10 game I just hated that d/d dynamite phase the game went through for like 20 days
Also half your deck doesn't need to be handtraps, it's the handtraps you use nibiru,ash,droplet,droll and lock,imperm are great but they all have different uses you should use the ones you feel that counter what most people are playing
They say sometimes that ignorance is bliss. Since you have no reference on how they game was in older formats the current game you got involved with makes sense to you. There are more FTKs than just that D.D Dynamite nonsense as you'll expereince eventually.
Well the D/D Dynamite is only a thing in master duel as is a lot of this stuff cause normally you play best out of 3 so you can very well deal with those sort of decks. The big problem many complain about when talking about Modern Yugioh is that about 90% of the decks being played are meta decks. Back in the day it was the opposite with most decks being casual and only a small part playing meta. So in that sense the perspective of many old school players is off. YOu could always do stupid BS in Yugioh in every era. The best advice i can give a new player is, have fun and do not sweat losses to much.
@@619ver1 I have to disagree. It's not about meta or casual, there have always been decks that are just stronger than others. It's simply the matter of tier zero cards and decks are beyond even that. The "stupid yugioh bs you could do in every era" is contextual. For example, stardust junk decks existed from way back when but they weren't gonna get 3 Quasars out I'll tell you that. These days we have insane cards that enable you to gain too much broken advantage especially when you consider the starting player starts with 5 cards instead of 6. If someone looked at Destroyer Pheonix Enforcer in 2014 they'd think it was some fanmade card designed on yugiohcardmaker or something. The side deck argument isn't an excuse either. The side deck used to mean a way to side cards that would give you an extra advantage like extra backrow removal if your opponent used a lot of backrow, macro cosmos and d fissure for graveyard reliant decks etc. but it didn't mean you auto lose if you didn't have them from game one. Nowadays what used to be "side deck cards" are now in the main because you hardly have a choice. Once upon a time Maxx C, Veiler etc. were side cards. Nowadays you'll find people running triple Ash Blossom and Maxx C in the main. It's easy to say don't sweat losses too much but it's the manner of how you lose and how consistently it happens that makes it frustrating. There is a difference between your opponent outplaying you and beating you even if you were using a weaker deck and they were using meta, it's understandable, but when I lose without even getting the chance to play it is ridiculous. Casual decks can't even attempt to TRY and fail. Tele Dad was considered tier zero but it didn't mean you had an auto loss if you were using Lightsworn or Glads. That's the difference. You could say the same thing about other older formats even up to 2014. It's not about getting mad becase you lose but the MANNER of why and how you lose. It is not skill for my opponent to win with admamancipator all because every freaking card in that deck summons itself for free and searches another card that does the same. Rince and repeat and it's no wonder those 5 starting cards become 10. It is not skill to summon Junk Speeder, summon 5 more tuners and go into Quasars for free. THEY JUST MAKE BROKEN CARDS, INCENTIVISE PEOPLE TO BUY THEM THEN BAN THEM AND MAKE MORE. Brilliant for money but not good in terms of a skill based game.
@@619ver1 Late to the party but, I played in 2005 took a break came back around 2017 took a break and came back a week ago. I always played off meta shit and I don't mind not being able to rank high. I do mind being able to make a cup coffee during my opponent's first turn because I drew only one ash and starting my turn, summoning aleister, being negated and having to end my turn. I had a few game that lasted 10 turns and where I lost, I don't mind that, I play a weird invoked-red eyes-felgrand shit deck It's not that my deck isn't competitive, it's that sometimes, I lost before drawing my first card because I didn't have enough hand traps
TF. They've banned Exodia deck because of one turn win games. Banned pot of greed but let these type of decks in the game? I just played the game and just realized if my enemy continues summoning on first turn. I'll just surrender. Not worth my time.
Yugioh has been about accelerating the "i win in one turn button" for years. But the fans looove that gameplay and only really get angry when a better engine comes out or something forces them to interact with the other player i.e handtraps. Then even funnier is when same yugioh player swares their's plenty of interaction... if your going second and have a 1/35 chance of drawing a boardwipe 🤣. But the gameplay loop that invites is "i wipe board then win game if not i lose."
Here's why you're wrong and short sighted. Yeah, you could OTK your opponent as far back as 2004 if you had the right cards. Here's the difference: Tele dad was tier zero in its time but you didn't have unlimited mali plays for free synchros. You had at best 2. If you failed to make the most out of them then you deserved to lose. Same with Blackwings and any other deck over extending. Ever since 2015 archetypes now have all of their cards be floaters so there is no punishment. Also in regards to hand traps, they've existed since the gx era. Let's pretend they existed since the 5ds era though. Veiler and Maxx c were side deck cards back then and there was debate if maxx c was even as good as veiler. Is anyone going to have that debate today? That's because the game has become so extreme and so broken that if you don't go off because of your opponents maxx c then your opponent will and kill you, you don'y have time to be passive, set real backrows etc. It isn't about being angry that a better deck has come out, it's about the game design philosophy as a whole since arc v.
Yes, i stopped playing yugi before even 2010 I back now and it just fucked up . I made a deck like this too but its just so boring and annoying I left it again
I started playing yugioh master duel a WEEK ago, lowest rankings, against people just starting out. Guess what......STILL RUNNING INTO THIS KIND OF STUFF, I love the game but would lave to be able to play it even more, uninstalled.
Unfortunately modern Yu-Gi-Oh is just a bunch of automatic decks no talent no skill They play themselves The people just move the cards around what the company needs to do is bring back the old format similar how speed dueling is different from the modern mess it's become
Yep. That is my biggest turn off. The card packs even already predetermined and have their own recipe. Like seriously in the older titles if you buy a card pack it is all rng based so you can get duplicates of the same and many random cards.
So it's basically like Pegasus' toon world on steroid? Just rush to get the first most biggestest hugest numeroustest stick to beat, negate, and suffocate your opponent on the first turn now? It used to be like a chess match where we can bluff and outsmart the most strongestest card back then IIRC.. And then XYZ came..
Ehh the problem isnt soo much with the extra deck monsters, the problem is the fact that there are WAAAAYYY too many OP generic extra deck boss monsters that can be splashed in any deck and easy to abuse
@@Headbanger9000 next "new mechanisc" would be treating banished/removed from play as another pocket/waiting room where every special summon can't be negated.. awesome..
Old school was the same at least as far as having generic staples, over priced cards, and tier 0 decks. Chaos control literally locked your opponent out of drawing and was the first tier 0 format which is what created the forbidden list in like 2004. Plus cards like mechanical chaser were over 200 bucks just because it could beat the 1800 attack beaters by a mere 50 attack points. Plus every deck ran like 20 of the same cards such as pot of greed, graceful charity and raigeki. The modern era is just a more evolved form of the old school except today cards get reprinted faster and have more mechanics. Also some of the older cards definitely cant come off the banlist but lots of the newer ones can just because the older cards only get better over time. Something like pot of greed cannot return while zoodiac drident could easily. I get what you're saying in the video but keep in mind old school was toxic as well.
I highly disagree with old school being toxic, a better word would be "not perfect". You have to look at things contextually. As someone that's played those formats extensively and has an entire book about them I'll tell you right now the old Imperial Order without an errata was less of a pain than a errated Imperial Order in the modern format. I'll give it to you in the money department but I don't really focus on that, that's just supply and demand and can be applied for many things. The tier zero you're talking about is not the tier zero of today, the tier zero of 2016 etc. FTK decks like Magical Scientist were not always consistent and had a big risk to them and before Invasion of Chaos you needed to have the nuts in reasoning decks to OTK on your first or second turn. Invasion of Chaos made that even easier but decks but it wasn't as dramatic as some people make it out to be with the exception of CED which eventually got limited and then banned. Yata Garasu could have been used in conjuction with other hand control cards and achieve the same result of preventing your opponenet from drawing and stripping thier hand but once again was not invincible. Just as you say because almost all decks had a similar skeleton of the best staples by default the formats were more balanced and teching was everything, how you used your best staples was everything. General card pool is also a factor. No matter what happenes, it has been proven even in formats like expanded for pokemon tcg that the bigger the card pool the more problerms you'll have. You say drancia could come back but that's only because there are thousands of borken cards around now anyway, all of the modern broken cards getting mixed with older ones and the result is a crazy anything goes game where you get punished for being conservative or overthing your plays simply because you cannot account for everything your opponent could have as an answer for your play.
i useally stick to archetype only decks, no mix matching, i like playing like i am in the anime, so i useally ignore the meta and run my own deck, such as evil twins, it has a fairly long combo but it doesnt take 200 years old, all i gotta do is summon ki sikill, activate her effect, special summon li la, link summon TWICE, and depending on what i need i go for evil twin ki sil kill or evil twin li la, i then activate which ever one i summon, effect which allows me to special summon lets say ..i used evil li la, i can special summon li la from my grave, then link summon oncemore to summon evil twin ki sikill, then activate her effect to summon evil twin li la from the gy then activate evil twin kikill effect wwhich allows me to destory one card, after that if i have evil twins li la & ki sikill, using evil twin ki si kill and evil twin lila as tribute summoning material i gain 4000 atk ..... ... ... ...... .... ok yeaah maybe its alot but am not summoning an whole fuckin board of monsters at the veryleast its two monsters on the board at the same time
If konami wants to fix the game, completely ban or outright get rid of pendulum and link summoning. Thatll show the game down and allow more interaction and be more fun and interesting and not just solitaire
I don't fully agree. For one that would never happen and even then it wouldn't be enough. It is the design philosophy that's the root of the problem. Cards like Junk Speeder and swordsoul for example are synchro based and they are just as bad if not worse in many ways. Broken cards are everywhere whether the faciliate any extra deck summon or none at all like Eldich.
I got destroyed by crystal beast durages the timeless + combo gigantic champion sargas without letting me summon and canceling my turn. I immediately reported because seriously. How is that fun?
Alright, so most of those bs combos die to either Nibiru or Droll and Lock Bird. based on the hands i see you with. just replace the Mystical Space Typhoons with Nibirus and you will have a lot more actual games. I get that i might have not have the most liked opinion on this, but from what i can tell you aren't adapting to what your playing against. Nobody gets to higher ranks in master duel by just playing the same deck on every match, they adapt. run 2 called by the grave and a crossout designator. run 3 Nibiru and 3 Droll and take out those MST's. Modern yugioh has a ton of skill to it if you build your deck around the modern game. People take red-eyes of all things to diamond and above in master duel, you just have to experiment, and know when to use your hand traps against certain decks. which i will say takes quite a bit of experience. but that xp barrier is literally the hardest one to break through because in master duel you dont have cards that cost 20 bucks per copy. like, you say how does that take skill, but I guarantee it will take you multiple hours to figure out even half of any of those combos. just like it takes hours to fine tune and adapt you deck. Its one thing to say you dont like modern yugioh, but saying its not about skill is completely false, and honestly unjustified. Also, ash blossom negates maxx c, and if you resolve maxx c, you should with the game no questions asked 99% of the time. Which is why its banned in the tcg.
Number 1. Check the date of the video. Number 2. You've made the same points about running hand traps like a million others have. You assume I didn't run hand traps when I used to play, I did. This isn't the anime. You're not gonna have the hand traps at the exact time you want and even if you do they don't always save you. Number 3. The fact the game is so extreme that you need to run hand traps casues a million other problems that I'm tired of explaining to people like you. Number 4. Modern yugioh has been a loose format for years where anything can happen because of the vast card pool of all the new broken cards plus old broken cards like Duster making things even more complicated. This is by design so even a newbie can get a lucky victory, the exact opposite of skill. Decks and cards that play themselves is another example. Making the correct move can get you punished but if you don't you will get punished either way. I could explain to you for hours why you're wrong about the "skill" in modern yugioh but I won't, dig up the comments of this video and others if you want to know more about what I think. Of course a certain amount of skill will always be a factor in the game but it pales in comparison much older formats with limited card pools. It's a similar concept to chess. The average person won't become a master in chess in a few months and win tournaments against other masters. A new yugioh player can come in, invest in the most broken deck and see some success. That's the difference.
So what I'm reading is that you honestly just don't understand the current yugioh game. You don't understand why you shouldn't use nibiru when a Hieratic seal of the Heavenly Spheres is on board, or why you should wait until you’re turn to use dark Ruler or super poly against dragon link. Whether you like it or not, top play in the current game is significantly more skill based than you think. Goat has like 2 decks that just win against all others with Edison having like 3. With the current yugioh, it's not uncommon to see tier 2 or even rogue strategies topping a ycs. It's not because broken cards make it hard to win, because you had equal access to those broken cards. And you obviously can't explain why I'm wrong about skill, because you've made arguments to everything else I've said but that point. You're just mad because you know that I'm right. And in terms of a newbie coming in and investing a ton in the most broken cards and seeing success, well I hate to be that guy, but no. Just no. The most broken decks are always the most complicated, and a newbie isn't going to know how that deck plays around hand Traps or on board negates their first game. In fact during tear format, my friend who has been playing blue eyes since the start was able to absolutely obliterate everyone at locals that did just buy tearlaments. All it took was getting out tyrant running an abyss dweller or I had a friend who just added kitkallos to their side deck with 3 copies of ghost reaper winter cherries. But you wouldn't know the first thing about that kinda stuff because you don't think any of that requires skill. Even though in a tier 0 format, nobody that was running tears even placed 5th at locals. I'm sorry but you're simply wrong.
@@bahamuhtgames4031 The only thing you're right about is me not being familiar with the current format as it's been more than a year since I've played modern yugioh. I quit when Zoodiacs came out and only came back when Master Duel came out to make videos on it knowing my time would be limited. My thinking was at I'll at least unlock cards so that if they ever implement older formats I'll have some cards unlocked. Plus I'll make youtube videos like this one. You're absolutely wrong about March 2010 and GOAT. The beauty of March 2010 is EXACTLY the opposite of what you claim. That there are only 3 decks that win against everything else. Regarding skill: I'll give you an easy example since you clearly don't understand what I say about modern yugioh being loose where anything can happen with such a vast card pool. Back in the day we had Duster banned and the only spell and trap mass removal spell was Heavy Storm. If you played a bunch of backrow without protection you ran the risk of losing everything to Storm and losing a lot of card advanatge for no reason. Thus players would be conservative with what they played down if they didn't have protection. Right now we have Lightning Storm (don't even know if it's still at 3) and Duster. If I play a lot of backrows down I run into this risk. However, the game is so fast and extreme now that if I just set 1, my opponent will eat it up easy with a floater and then proceed to to go off. I'm sure your solution is hand traps (it's the only thing people like you use to defend modern yugioh) but hand traps conflict with most decks that cannot go off with 1 card like Live Twins and Sky Strikers and become dead weight when you don't see them at the right time therefore making you lose to yourself. Either way, even if you have them at the right time they won't always be enough and you know it. I don't know for how long you'be been playing but Tele Dad was considered tier zero during its time. YOU DIDNT auto lose though if you played Glads or Lightsworn and the deck didn't bring out 5 synchros that prevent you from doing anything. That is the difference. You had 2 synchro plays with mali and if you failed to make the most out of that you didn't have endless floaters for days to keep spamming level 8 synchros for free. That is not the case with the game today. The story about your friend is meaningless and also invalid to what I've said. You assume that a new player can't come in and quickly get the hand of "when to throw the hand trap". In the same time frame go play chess against the best players and tell me how it goes. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD Konami does nothing but make it easier and easier to get broken cards out or make decks that play themselves like Flooendereze! In your head skill in yugioh is using one of the two or 3 best decks with 10 hand traps and playing mirror matches. In that case yeah the matches will be more "even". You say that I hadn't adapted when I still played, in that case I encourage you to watch actual matches that I've played and not replays used to show the worst of the game, although they were super common. It's not about not adapting, it's more about the unlimited potential of broken combos and interactions with the vast card pool of broken cards we've been getting since 2015. If you want to be in denial it's on you, the reality is my channel as of writing this isn't very big but the amount of other players also expressing the same thoughts on these yugioh videos is staggering.
@@SaberWolf94 ok, so to prove my point even further, let's say you're playing dragon links and go full combo without having an extra card in hand, you get nibiru'd, then you lose all the card advantage you generated for no reason. It just happens sooner man. So if I just summon 4 times, or keep a card in hand to at least end with a mirrorjade it's essentially the same as what you said skill is for older formats. That being MY ENTIRE POINT!!! You're complaining about a game that you yourself said you don't really know about. As far as goat is concerned some variant of chaos deck, gravekeepers and burn. Literally the best 3 decks. And you can debate that chaos decks just aren't it anymore because of gravekeepers. And for edison Blackwings Monarchs and lightsworns. In both formats those decks have clear and uncut advantages against almost any others. So it's basically rock paper scissors man. The reason that people made edison and goat formats was because nostalgia, now that we have been taken back to it. People have developed new strategies or modified old ones to make them more powerful. And with that being done now, you can kinda tell that those decks have some pretty unfair advantages. If you want to play better in the current format, learn to play around hand Traps while making a competent board. Like making Hieratic Seal before you're 5 summon to play around nibiru, or use a fake out search like using a quick launch to play around ash blossom. Maxx C I'll let you have, you just have to draw the out to that one. It's banned in the tcg for a reason. But that was also a decently old card! You are literally making my point for me man. As for stuff like live twin and sky strikers. Those decks typically run MORE hand Traps than other decks because they don't need 26 combo pieces like dragon link or synchro spam. You actually don't know what you're talking about. I could also explain to you how a single Effect Veiler, one of the oldest hand Traps can stop almost any combo deck if you want me to. I'll tell you exactly what card to Negate and at what time. The fact is knowing when to Negate something is just as important as having multiple negates, whether or not it's a hand trap. And the example I gave was actual real world experience. And Tele dad being tier zero and not auto losing is literally the same example as I gave with tear. And in terms of bringing out multiple synchros that lose you the game, play Dark Ruler No More, Forbidden Droplet, Book of Eclipse. Those aren't hand Traps but would still swing the odds way back in your favor, the same as if you were to play Storm back in the day. Hell Raigeki is at 3 rn and a lot of decks just have to use their one omni-negate on it or lose. No negates, have fun! It's your turn to combo off, only you can attack for damage! Don't like playing hand Traps? Build for a blind going second deck! Then you can just wait until they're done combing and break their board with spell cards then put a 3k beatstick on board and kill them over the course of 3 more turns! Hell, play true dracos if you really want to play old school. Like, you say that there isn't skill but there's more thinking you have to do now than ever! I'll give you the floo point but floo literally just loses to things like druiswurn and graveyard effects. Yeah, to someone who's new to modern yugioh like you, I can see how you think these things, but if you had never quit yugioh, you'd have a lot more insight on just how wrong the take off "modern yugioh isn't about skill is" because everything has a counter, you just need to learn when and how to use them. Also, you played heroes and I doubt you made it past silver. People have taken that deck far higher than you have, by the nature of the fact that there is a ranked match in the game and people are higher than proves that skill means a lot. Especially is you really couldn't make it past silver, when we have Cimo doing challenges called master duel madness? I can't remember what it's called. But the fact that challenges like that exist prove you wrong. You want skill? Play me in master duel. I'll let you always go first, and I won't put hand traps in my deck since you seem to think that hand traps are my answer to everything. All I'm saying is that, if you yourself say you're not familiar with modern yugioh, then your opinion on whether or not it's skill based is mute, because you literally couldn't know if your unfamiliar with it.
@@bahamuhtgames4031You have no idea what you're talking about regarding those older formats and I'm sick of people saying we love older formats because of nostalgia. If old yugioh was so bad the game wouldn't have become one of the best selling card games. Same with video games. Bloodborne was amazing when it first came out not just now because of "nostalgia". Challening me to play means nothing, it all depends on the decks we play at the end of the day and who told you I always favour going first? As for ranking I've made it to Platinum (or maybe diamond?) whatever was the highest ranking when I used to play but I'll admit I wouldn't stay there for too long. I guess you're not listening to me when I say I got back to make videos on the game for the channel. I would use stuff like d heroes, shaddols etc. You keep assuming things about me and don't know anything. Stop trying to think that your way of approaching the game is the only correct one. If anything you should be asking why the player base has become so split and so many players agree with what I think about the game today. You don't even know why the game has developed the way it has but Konami is happy to laugh at players like you that will eat up anything.
Yes I know about it, it's just another broken card to join the rest. Drytrons and all the other nonsense are frustrating me enough it isn't like enforcer is gonna be that much worse than all the other ridiculous cards around.
@SaberWolf94 the thing is that he’s generics with Fusion Destiny and every deck will play it for Drytron you should try to craft forbidden droplets dark rulers no more or Kaiju budget options options strike is also really good with a other trap to negate the negates Torrential Strike 👌🏻
@@buntaro6663 Thanks for the suggestions, I need to look up dark ruler no more and remember its effect. I absolutely hate kaijus although I have teched them in decks in the past. I hate them because they punish the decks that can only bring out one boss monster that you want to rely on like the magnet warriors.
yu gi oh is not the same game anymore......now everyone in first turn can summon a monster that immune everything, your trap/spell/card effect useless now
you don't get to play that's my problem with this game also if Konomi don't come out with some cards with some win conditions for battling a yubel monster im not coming back to play this game
IDK man..... Like, I agree with the content of your argument itself, no doubt there. But huh.... Trap-heavy decks like that tend to suck since the late Synchro era over a decade ago, and you said you stopped in 2017 which is early into the Link era. That deck with black horn of heaven looks crappier than any standard of the last 8 years, if not longer. It kind of looks like your deck is worst than it'd be to make sure the point is not only proven but also enhanced, which is not really needed. Even if those opponents in the video are somewhat tame compared to current standards (so it is even worse than it was at the time of this video truly), it still stands that the actions/steps are too many, texts too lengthy, and combos too dynamic. I don't think the blame is on any mechanic. Not Rituals, Fusions, Synchros, Xyzs, Links, or even Pendulums individually (although the last 2 had some questionable points to them that thankfully got patched up eventually to a degree). It also isn't on cards being too generic or too themed (GX era sets sucked because of the hyper specific archetype focused support, and DM era stuff like Goat Format was almost entirely generic, and guess what's the fan favorite old format to play?). It is simply that the game sucks at nuanced effects interacting in a better paced manner within the same ecosystem. You could take the newest mechanic and design support for it with the sensitivities of an older format and it'd be cool. You can take the most xenophobic archetype concept in the game and still make it fun and design it to have interesting interactions with other potential decks within its same game. It is a much simpler issue... the individual effects enable and optimize things too much, and the most serious players that wanna win at events and be the best don't necessarily care about the fun in the experience, and those are the ones that get the most new product into their decks ASAP to achieve this, meaning their money talks louder, and so the simple fun of the casual experience is a distant noise in the corner of the next room. Only fairly recently the investors have been going "hey yo! why aren't we getting new blood into the game?".
If you had maxx c he would have either stopped on his track or keep playing like a fool and you would have surely clapped him. Coming from DL I realized modern yu gi oh is all about countering your opponent's combos.
Key word is "if". There is no skill in a situation where if you don't have a specific type of card you lose before you can play, I repeat lose BEFORE you can play. I'm still playing the game but I get pissed when situations like this come up. The other thing is that having numerous hand traps in your deck decreases your consistency instead of having cards that contribute to your strategy, darwing them when it's too late etc.
@@SaberWolf94 see I have a problem with this as well, not only does the opponent combo for minutes, they summon until able monsters with crazy attack and do it before you can play. Then when you can play they have 5 or 6 negates waiting for you. They need to increase the cost of these negates it’s ridiculous like a mana pool or something.
@@BeefsquatchGaming It's too easy to pull off that's the problem. Cards that summon other cards and float for days without end. Back in the day we had Gladiator Beast Heraklinos but he wasn't an easy monster to get out in Glads and he didn't negate effects. Then you got the Quasar synchro decks that could get that card out, but you only had that one card to deal with not 4 monsters negating everything. Unfortunately yugioh's answer to broken cards is more broken cards so there's no going back now. They know this that's why they're trying to do all the alternate formats in Master Duel and gathering feedback. I just hope they give us the option to play with older formats and banlists eventually.
@@SaberWolf94 if they allow us to play the original format in a game mode I’d be all for that, I think everything before pendulums was okay that’s when it got nuts lol
If I'm not mistaken I'm using mosly D Heroes in this video and it's not trash, just not tier zero. The deck aims to exploit Dominance and Dreadmaster and has options with a rank 4 toolbox thanks to Drilldark. Obviously Phoenix is in there too now. I have plenty of matches wrecking folks feel free to watch some of those too. I can do some hardcore plays with it trust me.
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 Consider the date of when the video was posted and consider that not everyone has all the cards they need. Blade Master acts as a Kalut so it's not always useless but I'm not running him currently.
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 I never said it's impossible to acquire new cards. If you're trying to have access to a lot of cards and decks, trading cards for fewer gems than when you craft them is a net loss if we look at this mathematically. Now if it's cards I have more than a playset or know that I'll never use then sure. I know what I'm doing don't worry. I'm nearly caught up with all the cards in the game and I haven't spent any real money. This video is 7-8 months old.
Me and ma friends play rogue decks against each other. We use synchros and xyzs but no link and pendulum...its fun. Modern play is just link/xyz/synchro spam on crack...
well, inoble knight is the only REAL unfair deck of the game, since it steals ur handcards. drytron draco and eldlich are sadly absolutly fine, annoying but fine and beatable...
@@N1GhtKnIGht That's exactly what you said "annoying fine decks that are beatable" and I don't agree broken decks and cards are fine because it's possible to beat them. You'd think there'd be a limit to how much more broken cards are going to get but no, they just keep making them more broken. I suppose they still need milk the game.
@@SaberWolf94 i mean, i´m currently a top player on the leaderbord for the real card game and i know that there are things that arent okay, abuse of handloops arent okay, since it destroys more counterplay then ftk's. i have played back then against wind-up and gem-knight ftk, wind-up was more fine then this, since it loses against veiler, this doesnt even lose against nibiru...
3:48 why u play magic drain that card doesn't do anything gud. And yeh i understand your frustration. how about i give u a place to enjoy either goat or edison format, if u interested. ppl in that game 50/50 friendly and tryhard
Keep the date of the video in mind. I recorded this a year ago in February and clearly didn't have triple Solemns etc. Also the card is a free magic jammer if they don't discard a spell and if they do it's technically a plus one (it used to be anyway now everything floats). It would be interested yes are you talking about master duel? I'm focusing a lot on pokemon tcg online now since its days are numbered but fill me in.
@@SaberWolf94 uhh no, it's about edopro. Another ygo simulator that came before MD 2 yrs. It has different format for u to enjoy, mind if we exchange discord account we can continue from there. Just give me your account name so i can add u there
@@ultronsigma2737 I see, I'll have to pass then. I don't have a discrod and I have no intention of making one. I also gave up downloading and using devpro and ygo pro variants. I know about edopro but I don't want to use it. Thanks for your offer though.
My man your playing a jank hero deck and ju gi oh is aways had combos yes thay have goton more cazy it is what it is from the looks of it your not runing any hand traps your gonna loss if your whole deck is jank with no hands traps/staples
Dude, no offense but this is a terrible video. If you are gonna play a 2010 deck against 2022 decks with the wrong ratio of hand traps/going 2nd cards, you are gonna lose everytime! Go check out DB Grinder's videos and see the back and forth gameplay in modern yugioh. You need to adapt to the new format and use newer cards. Also, master duel has the feature to use in standby phase. Your chain settings are set to auto by default, you need to set it to on. Overall, please think twice/thrice before spreading false information
Check the date of the video. Regarding chaining on standby I figured out the settings ages ago and even mentioned it in another video. In any format in any era there are always decks that are stronger than others. I understand that. It's not about being mad because you lost but the manner of how you lose. In 2013 I was using tele dad when mali was at 2 and void ogre was out and doing okay against mermail which was the best deck. You can't even TRY and fail right now. If you watch my shaddol match video you'll see I grind matches out a lot more. That isn't the point. The game shouldn't be and wasn't used to be about running 15 hand trap cards in the MAIN deck because of all the broken decks that summon 3-4 monsters that negate everything for free. I've beaten top decks with weaker decks like constellars you just need for everything to go perfectly, see the hand traps and the kaijus at the right time and draw like Yugi from the anime. It shouldn't be like this. People these days are used to conceding the first game when put in such impossible positions and treating it as "natural". The side deck is meant to help you more against certain match ups but it didn't mean it was impossible to win game one. Yugioh is not a game based on rotations and Konami is more than happy to mislead people in using weaker decks printing a few helpuful cards for them here and there. For the most competitive players I'm not here to say don't adapt and don't use what's best to win. The point of videos like this is to showcase where the game has gone and how no matter WHAT you run, hand traps you use you can still lose just because the card pool allows your opponenet to prevent you from playing. Konami knows this it's not by luck that they created cards like Dark Ruler no more, thing is though since they can't stop printing borken cards to incentivise competitive players to buy them this cycle is never going to end. Tele Dad was tier zero. It wasn't an auto loss if you played Lightsworn or Glads against them though.
It's not that his 2010 deck is objectively worse than 2022 decks, its *why* his 2010 deck is objectively worse than 2022 decks. You said it yourself, wrong ratio of handtraps. Most handtraps aren't in archetypes, so shoving them into your deck or side deck removes consistency from any combos you plan to use inherently. I shouldn't need to sacrifice the consistency of my deck just so I can actually survive turn 2 (assuming I go first) or turn 3 (assuming I go second), I should be able to survive turn fucking 2/3 by default, especially against someone who probably looked up a competitively viable deck last night. FTKs shouldn't exist at all, new yugioh or not, and OTKs should happen because one player was the more skillful duelist. They had better understanding of their cards and your cards, accommodated to your possible strategies, and won because of experience and pattern-recognition, not because they looked up "competitive decks yugioh 2022" and copy-pasted.
@@goldenpersonwhoexists8834 there are so many decks that don’t even run hand traps and don’t even lose to what 1 ash. Despia doesn’t even use handtraps and thats top tier. Its cause ur shitty deck from 2005 loses to 1 hand trap and you get salty about it. Update your cards most even rogue decks these days don’t lose to 1 handtrap
@@jadeslevin9392 There are definitely hundreds of decks that don't run hand traps, possibly thousands seeing as there are some 10000 cards in the game, but guess what? 90% of those decks are terrible. More decks use handtraps than don't, and that's a fact. Fun fact, I never played Yu-Gi-Oh in 2005. I wasn't even born in 2005. All these metasheep assuming that anyone who dares not like a game that can end on turn 3 is automatically a yugiboomer who wants to go back to summoned skull beat down is sad. Cope better.
@@SaberWolf94 since they don't want to like putting set rotation the control the power of the game they should just make alternate formats where they can divide the card Pools by when they came out every card game besides Yu-Gi-Oh has a bunch of different formats for they can play cards
Invest in Nibiru, and Maxx C. You’re doing great, Bro don’t hang the game up. I’m returning to the game, gave the cards up in 05-06. Player interaction was the best thing about the old days for sure.
For now I'm still playing but it's always gonna come down to if the opponent is using a more "normal" deck or not. Maxx C only works if you see it and can start drawing other hand traps from it, or if they decide to stop. Thanks for the kind words hopefully you stick around too.
So glad that worthless being lagged out. Imagine wasting 10 mins of your life judt for internet to win? Then these guys don't have a life to waste timw in
I hate the fact that people cry about looooong combos and they have hand like this 1:54 whit cards form 2003 not considering builing a deck to respond to oponent like nibiru, ash blossom, infinite impermanence, droll & lock bird or board breakers like dark ruller no more, raigeki , lighting storm, triple tactic talent gess not. let's be honest you noob that started the game quit came back learn noting and now you are crying becouse you are noob. Also i know master duel is bad for been a best of 1 not best of 3 format that is sooo one sided whit OCG/TCG banlist that makes no sence. At the end of the game learn to build the deck that wasen't a duel links 2017 deck.
Make sure you don't delete this comment, the more people seeing what a narrowminded fool you are the better. I got you though with this vid ua-cam.com/video/Ee72WPPzmNA/v-deo.html Other than that that I've already replied numerous times to the short sighted stupid points konami ass kissers like you make so this vid is all you get.
@@tmgn7588 It was a stupid reply to a stupid comment. The problems in this game run way to deep than simply what cards and techs you run. I have a dedicated video breaking everything down.
@@tmgn7588 Fair enough, however I do think your comments were short sighted. I detected elitism from them, some players commonly want to defend the game no matter what with comments like "if you just do this then..." People also don't check the date of when a video is posted.
I'm sure Konami loves you, you're the only thing in their mind. I have a few other videos like this one, they'll love you even more if you criticize me there too. It's about my mind after all not money.
When you spend 5-10mins waiting for your turn, it's just not worth it. You need to sink more and more hours into the game to even compete. Just because the game keeps changing and becoming more difficult doesn't mean it's good.
This is not true at all whether you know it or not. I have an entire book on the 2002-2003 format. Even setting that aside the stuff that was considered tier zero in other formats were not even half as broken as what the most broken cards do these days. Tele Dad was considered tier zero for example, but you didn't get an auto loss or were prevented from playing if you used glads or lightsworn. That's the difference. Archetypes maybe had 1 or 2 searchers, today avery card spas special summons and floats with multiple effects mind you. This is way you can make a combo deck start with 5 cards and end up with 15 before you spam 4 extra deck monsters that are borken for free basically. Maxx C was around in 2011 but you could actually stop and live when your opponenet resolved it back then.
I've went against people who ( not even exaggerating) spend 10 or more minutes on the very first turn, sometimes they win before I get my turn by burn damage
Modern dueling is complete ass
And you only see the same 5 copy pasted decks and nothing else
Agreed. The og was easier. 8k life points, ONE special ability and then end phase. These literal virgins suck
For real last week i was playing master duel can actually counted against one guy Who went first he spent 26 minutes just special summoning and filled his entire board with 2 monster effect negeates, If i tried to add a card to my hand he'd be able to banish a card on my field. if i played a spell or trap he'll pop a card on my field. so i just forfeited ON THE SECOND TURN i couldn't do anything. How is this fun???? there's no interaction anymore just otk or forfeit
@@thelurker552 that is exactly why I can't get into it anymore, the game lost all it's fun when they started introducing cards that let you combo forever and adding cards that negate anything and everything you try to do the second the duel starts, there's no fun in that at all, and who tf wants to wait half an hour every turn?
I miss when duels were like 1 maybe 2 minute turns tops and it was back and forth
nothing better than watching your opponent play for 10 minutes straight.
The thing with 4-5 decks being 99% of what u face in competitive has been true for most of the game lifespan.
This isn't a game. This is torture.
I remember the days when you actually Attack with Monsters with Spells, Traps and actual interactions with your opponents. Now in this Modern Time, everybody wants to do all this Summoning BS. Ever since Pendulums and Links came in. It all went to 💩 after that
@@jqjames Call me pretentious, but to me seeing how someone plays the game says a lot about them as a person.
There's no thrill in it anymore..
i like how the game was basically always like this with more steps now with less steps and manchildren want a game to be changed to suit them even though it's literally a children's card game. A meme from the abridged series. the show had cards do different things but no one cares about that cause yeah ofc they did it was a show for children lol.
@@filler7359 I mean Magic: The Gathering has remained pretty much the same, just each set has a unique mechanic but otherwise remains viable throughout (depending on format, something YGO really should gave implemented.)
It isnt fun to lose in 1 turn.
For me, the reason I hate modern yugioh is that you're not really playing a game anymore, you're essentially just playing with yourself and if you can't win turn 0-1, then you scoop and go onto the next "game". With magic, because it relies heavily on resources and resource management, you can't just go ham out the gate and you're forced to take your time and strategize.
My thoughts exactly. Although I never played Magic the Gathering, I do love the old Duel Masters tcg that got cancelled and the new digimon tcg which both have mtg as a foundation.
Then blame the Anime mindset that pushed the game towards powercreep.
Don’t lie, we all wanted to preform Epic wins like Yugi and Kaiba on those OTK. The Anime practically built the players of this game.
more like, you don't play the game anymore more like the game play you into reading a lot, lot of word then try to comprehend the formula, and most of the time you play by using other people's meta deck instead creating your own deck.
damn I missed old school yugi-oh game..
Thing is all games are like this
It's like the Marilyn Manson song beautiful people. Capitalism has made it this way, but old fashion fascism will take it away.
We need Chinese levels of regulation on the taking industry. Like you gotta meet a bare minimum in game design, or not only do you NOT get to make money, your kids get taken away.
Because if my ass has to go to work and pay taxes, you are being held to a higher standard.
That or you can die in a labor camp. I don't care. I see you as less than a human being if you can sleep at night developing and profiting off of garbage. I hate you, I hate your family, I hate your dog.
@@danielramsey6141 Since when did yugi/kaiba OTK during an actual serious duel? Yeah kaiba FTK'd with Obelisk, but that was him straight up cheating against some no name punk to show the power of the god card. It wasn't meant to make OTKing look cool but rather to make Obelisk look cool. The only other times I recall either of the two OTKing, it wasn't actually executed until a few turns into the duel, which can only very loosely be called an OTK if it is one at all.
I had 1 guy doing that " Power Ranger B.S" for 5 min straight, I literally almost forgot I was even in a dual match.... Maybe just surrendering during their final power up will piss them off.
I'd say you give them what they want if you surrender. I'd say waste time to piss them off right back.
This makes me thankful that I have a few people at my locals that play past formats. Goat (2005), Edison (2010) and HAT (2014) are all much more interactive. Those 3 are also fun bc goat focuses on fusions Edison does synchro and hat does xyz
I'm actually quite envious of you because I don't have an easy means to play older formats in real life. I was hoping master duel would allow us to do that with additional format options and including original versions of cards but I realize it's very unlikely now. Best we can get is these extra deck specific formats.
the only format we use where I an from is no xyz, link and pendulums, every other card is permitted, og I we use the 2010 ban list
Hat?
@@phorchybug3286 it's named after a deck that won a championship during that year. Hands Artifact Traptrick. The deck was basically a pile of those three with a bunch of good staple spell/traps/rank 4s. It's a really fun format that feels like modern but where non floodgate trap cards are still good
I tried getting back into yugi and it's the same thing. No interaction. Just wait 5 mins to see if I win or lose.
5 minutes? I wish it was just that. Sometimes I have to wait 10 minutes to half an hour even.
I never player yugioh growing up but i did play Duel links back in 2018 and I loved it. It felt casual and if I had a decent deck I could hang in ranked mode but then they added all these overpowered, one shot decks that killed the experience. I tried master duel when it first came out thinking it would solve some issues but it's even worse. This game sucks for casual players like myself.
One shot decks were pretty much always a thing. Cards like Power Bond and Limiter Removal are designed to allow one shots, hence why they have big drawbacks.
Even as a Yugioh card collector and an old-school duelist after a 20-year absence, I experienced the worst things in Master Duel. I waited 5-10 minutes for my first and second turns until the opponent finished a turn and still lost. My old-school Yugioh style wouldn't work at all.😥
Yugioh is dead. The farce that exists now is konami parading it’s corpse. Rip yugioh
Kazuki the manga artist before he died said the game is too complicated.
Thats saad to hear
I wish there was a ranked mode for different eras idk I just usually forfeit if I see crazy stuff like this .. sucks being a nostalgia player lol
Many of us have been talking about it and I always asked about modes like that in all their surveys where they asked us "what can we do improve" but still nothing.
Go on dueling book, they have a ladder for old formats like goat and Edison formats that are fan favorites
Solutions to Konami's game shouldn't have to come from a third party. Plus, Dueling book can get ridiculously slow at times. Last time I tried to play it, I got stuck in this attack declaration loop where the opponent declared an attack, my game lagged, the opponent redeclared the attack (due to impatience I assume) which caused y game to lag again, then they would redeclare the attack, and just keep declaring the same attack over and over again and i was never allowed to send my monster to grave.
If you don't draw any hand traps on your first hand just forget it truthfully 😂
I keep watching videos of people playing, with highlights. Then I’m like, “dude I’ll play that”. Re-install, watch a guy spend 5+ minutes setting up their field, which blocks me entirely, and lose in 2 turns, assuming I don’t brick first. Then I delete it again and hope I won’t forget how badly modern plays.
A single card set or simple play is a death sentence today.
I don't play this game and only now it back then from the anime. It's funny to see this. What is the point in this game??? Looking at each other for 20 minutes how the one who goes first beats you in 1 turn?! How can anyone with a brain get enjoyment out of this?!
Yeah I hate it too, which is why I use Mystic Mine on them and come in and out of the game at times cause I hate players that plays 20+ special summons, 20+ deck searches and draws to the point they can use their whole deck in their first turn.
You can't run any deck anymore. It's limited to certain deck types. You gotta link summon like crazy and destroy everything.
Yeah. Seriously they need to add a restrictions where per turn only one Syncro-summon are allowed. So that way the said players who have to depends on it need to think twice cause if they Syncro-summon at the beginning first their Synchro monster may not be powerful enough unless if they are ready to pay a big price for the lack of spell/trap card.
I just surrender if I ever see a tearlament card since its just not worth it to go up against it
@@gaming1zanagi-1999 konami wont do anything, cuz it no longer cares about the state of the game, its currently business is pachinko, yugioh is just another way to guarantee easy money, as they literally charge absurd amounts for just a few pieces of cardboard
@@laisandrade8665 ye. Sad that is how greedy they became.
I've realised that Master Duel is fun only at first couple hrs in solo but it gets even more fun when you play with friends in duel room
I agree with synchro and xyz summon it's basically who can otk the opponent fastest
Modern Yugioh players on their first turn pulling all this crap: I am a god!
Gamers with no job who are scorned for playing a couple hours a day: And I thought I had no life....
Master Duel is full of losers who live in their moms basement and play this game for their own gain cause they are bully
And yet here you're crying about a video game.😂😂😂😂😂😂
The biggest thing for me is that turns are soooooo long. I really want to enjoy it, because there's so many cool cards and interesting decks you can make.
I'm not even to the point of understanding the meta or seeing how cheap the new combos are but seems frustrating.
It is frustrating, it doesn't just look it. Best thing I reccomend is playing the solo mode and practicing first but once you play against other people it's gonna be a whole different animal depending on what they're using.
yeah its the biggest turn off.
infinite combo decks are even common in casual matches. Its such bs.
Yeah i’m a bit tired of getting beat on turn 3 myself when i go second, i used to like going second because i could draw a card and get the first attack in but now it seems like you have to go first to get any kind of momentum
It's an extremely flawed system because the game is vastly flawed in general. If you don't get to set a lot of traps or combo your way to a bunch of monsters that prevent your opponent from playing, you're at a disadvantage from the start card advantage wise. However, they implemented this at the start of arc v because they knew with the card pool the way it is decks are gonna swarm and do that anyway so it's supposed to give them a "handicap". The reality is for those that don't play decks where everything floats like cursed eidolon/invoked you start with a disadvantage AND they get an extra card to do everything they were going to do anyway.
Like nibiru effect . The game should have a limit . Max 5 special summon , max 1 normal summon per main phase .
I'd go further and say each player is only given 5 summons each turn, period. Which means 1 Normal Summon and at max, 4 Special Summons.
This game turned into your opponent summons a full board of negates and you bricked with the cards that are supposed to be good to counter it unless you are a yugituber that dedicates to humilliating those toxic ass players
More about showcasing and taking off the frustration of my own chest. While I do get angry I can't blame the players that want to use whatever they think will get easy wins.
@@SaberWolf94
Yeah but the fact that you have to run so many bricks just to counter the whole meta or run the broken decks yourself until they get banned meaning your wallet was wasted on stuff you wont use anymore makes Yugioh suck ass now.
I knew the game was approaching disaster when xyz first came out. Then I felt the damage done to my wallet and thought only the blind will continue to support this game. It is suffering when you try to keep up with garbage that is piling up.
actually xyz is pretty fun and easy. it gets crazying going into rituals, pendulum and links
Xyz was actually cool and fun. But after that, when Pendulums, Links and start coming in, it Just Killed the Whole Vibe of the game and Franchise. I got friends I know and said the exact same thing without me even mentioning it.
@@jqjames Pendulum was the last straw for me. When Qliphorts came out I had never looked back ever since.
@@Sage16226Did you just mention ritual as broken ? All the good ritual decks have to circumvent the heavy drawbacks of rituals.
This is how Yu-Gi-Oh is going to die, a nooby running into this kind of stuff is going to stop them from getting into it. Oh well
Omg the first round xD this is no more my old yugioh:(
I don't really have a problem with Synchros, sure some Synchro monster effects are broken but they're not invincible. They're only OP when you play your cards right and that takes skill. I also love the fact that you can't just use any monsters, they require Tuners and sometimes other Synchro monsters that equel the level of the desired Synceo monster. Xzy's paved the way for the insane power creep we have today and Pendulums normalized it. Rendering everything that came before them useless.
Cards like Baron De Fleur didn't need to have all 3 of its effects. Same for Enforcer. It doesn't matter if its a synchro, xyz or a normal effect monster. A broken card is a broken card. I agree about pendulums though.
@@SaberWolf94 Those are modern cards, they have to be broken in order to compete with Xyz and Links, it's the Power Creep. What he is talking about it's before that level of brokeness what instaled, back when It was only Fusions and Synchros.
Sorry to burst your bubble but it was Synchros that turned the main deck into an engine spammer and graveyard a second hand. Xyz era actually reeled that stuff back in by cutting the solitaire style synchro summon ladders out of the loop and made hand resources the prime metric as opposed to deck search/mill. Even dino rabbit just got the two xyz dragons out and passed the turn as opposed to summoning and summoning over and over and over again.
Gladiator beasts are the reason why the extra deck was made into a toolbox.
Synchros are the reason the game became solitaire with recursive effects.
Arc V era is when all archtypes and playstyles be it fusion synchro xyz got absurd support
Vrains era sealed the deal with links in terms of spamming things and pretty much playing a 3 turn game.
Links are the same concept as synchros but faster an without the tuner restriction.
They just need to implement rule changes on how much draw pwr ppl get (hard once per turn) and limit special summoning.
Man has this game turned toxic since I gave it up as a kid after Metal Raiders.
This is why I favours older console YGO more cause even against the AI you need to strategize well and the way you build your deck and your own play style can turn the tables cause guarantee your first move won't be a killer move
Also they should restrict the amount of Synch-summon by every turn only once it can be performed per turn. At least that makes the said player think twice to do Synchro immediately or not
The big difference is that the console games aren't built to be competitive. Pretty sure that if you look at speedruns of those games, you'll see the same issues, probably to a lesser extent tho.
@@dudono1744 true but then again I prefer to have the hearthstone pacing
@@gaming1zanagi-1999 That's okay.
It didn't used to be like this. I swear it's like these days I don't even know what the fuck is going on in the match when this XYZ and Sychro stuff happens. It makes no sense.
Yugioh just turned in a rock, scissor and paper game.
Yep. Instead get your opponent guessing and on their toes let's just end them quickly without attempting to use normal monster card as a starter or low leveled monster effect
Modern Yugioh in a nutshell. Pay to win garbage.
Ah, I see you are an MD Geist fan!
you know what's really unfair in this games? those boss monsters with Quick Effect,,, i hate them with fiery passion,, they don't really let me do anything while they're around,, i just summon a monster but he immediately remove it because it have quick effect? why won't you let me play?
Yeah man every now and then you get ppl with older formatted cards but these cards when you can summon 80 cards in 1 duel is so fuckin lame
Honestly should have a move cap per turn
It's a broken card creation cap that's always been needed but there's more money to be made when that's not the case.
@@SaberWolf94 true at the end of everything in a company is money
I find the game much slower than 3-4 years ago. If you be careful most tier 1 decks are great at always have their resorces not at establishing one billion nagates. Few years ago only ss and then salads was playing like that. The compos was at the same range as rongho. The thing is that in master duel we have best of one so no side deck and badicaly you have to play blow out cards like droplets and feather duster in your main meaning you lose consistency thus making the best decks those that have small engines and plenty of room. It doesnt mean that in tcg is not the same but you have the option to scoop game one and be prepared for the other 2 games. Basically floating for generating advantage is the name of the game big compos like you show are not even good and can can easily stoped with few handtraps or blow up cards you just need to have room in your deck and still be able to play after...
I never said the game was worse than 4 years ago. Modern yugioh is modern yugioh. It has the same problems that it has in the arc-v era and in some of the worst parts of the zexal era (spellbook,dragon ruler format). The justifications you made is EXACTLY why the game is not balanced. Back in the day that game wasn't about "if you only have raigeki you win" "if you only have pot of greed you win" or "scoop the first game if your opponent has a bunch of monsters that negate everything because you can side for game 2". Th logic of "if you open hand traps or X card you can stop your opponent" is nonsense. Do you think chess would have its reputation of the skilled game it is if it worked like that? I know what a floater is. We start the game with 5-6 cards. How do you think decks like adamancipator, drytron, virtual world and burning abyss build their big boards if their monsters didn't float? It's basically monsters that special summon, grab other monsters that special summon that grab OTHER monsters that special summon you rinse and repeat a few times and you have typical modern yugioh. Floating isn't just Sangan like effects. Look at the cards the game is still creating. How long do you think a card like D hero Enforcer is gonna last? Why did they make it so broken? They keep making broken cards knowing they are going to ban them and knowing people will be forced to buy and use them if they want to get some wins. Because of the state they put the game in they can never go back; they have to keep printing new broken cards for players to jump onto. The fact that the game is not rotation based only makes things more complicated with random FTK decks like the new psychic cyber stein FTK deck now and other broken interactions.
@@SaberWolf94 all i say is that generally the game become more about generating advantage than denying opponents advantage. DP is broken yeah casue it helps in exactly that having constantly a card that can desrupt opponent for free. I did not say that is not a problem to have stables for stopping the opponent, i also think that is bad. What i say is that crazy fast compos in general are not the greatest decks. There are anoying yes but the have many many weakness and the way to beat them is more standard you can prepare for that and have great chance to win. Also we have much more for going second cards that we did not had few years ago. In a way we are in a state of game that we have answers in compo boards as much if not more as we have on control trap boards. I mean DPE alone is decent board nowdays, where if a compo couldn't establish 3 nagates in bad situation was trash thats a big step for more interactive gameplay. For me DPE thought very very powerful is not a problem the problem is floadgate effects and not great diversity for going second cards. We need more cards like droplets which i thing is one of the best disigned cards which can be spell speed 4 but in contitions and many time that counts a lot. In my opinion modern's yugioh had the problem of having lock effects that are just 2 easy (herald, rongho, skill drain, winda) which make you unable to play and only needing specific cards for out. That is the worst but i like the think that there are great compos and the idea that you can nowadays break a 3-4 nagates board and simplify the game state much easier and i think the skill for break a board today in contrast with till mid XYZ era is way more. All in all i believe that both old school and modern yugioh have different weakness. T set pass or having to stall till make a 2-3 card compo to comeback is also kinda bad and the game would be boring if that formula went on. So evey era has ots strengths and weaknesses. All that need to balance the game even further in my opinion is simply to give some going second options inside the archetypes in more unique design so that we can have more archetype cards and less stables and have great floatgates either have great costs or being dificult to generate them. A good example os the currently best deck probably despia. They can fuse with your monsters and there boards are not extraordinary you or sky striker one kaiju is all you needed back in the day and you could OTK them. Lastly i thing we need smaller engines and maybe more categorical engines for example something like the pk engine, is strong small max 5 card at main and specific for dark monsters not anyone can abuse it but is strong non the less for when it can be used.
Konami cant fix the game anymore, They just slap rush duel to our faces
Pretty much.
They are not opponents. They are enemies that use overpowered and antagonistic strategies with little to no mercy to the poor duelist for themselves, thinking that 1 turn-killing makes you a duelist. No you are a fraud if you care about winning more than enjoying the duel itself.
It's the generic cards that allow for all this crazy combo'ing, you should give Thematic Yu-Gi-Oh! a try. Unfortunately, there is no shiny platform for this format (yet) like Master Duel, but playing with and against Thematic decks gives a way more intuitive, back-and-forth playing, and balanced experience. Generally, no setting up big boards, no abundant special summons, no generic cards. Really worth a try especially for returning YGO players.
Can you explain in detail what thematic yugioh is ?
@@dudono1744 copied from the TYGO rulebook:
Thematic Yu-Gi-Oh! introduces intuitive deck building alongside theatrical and balanced duels while preserving the profound characteristics of the Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game. The format is based on the idea that cards are intended to be balanced within their own Theme. Players duel with Thematic Decks, which include cards that logically synergize with cards in the Deck, restricting an abundance of generic staple cards. Thematic Decks keep the strengths but also the weaknesses of its Theme intact, leaving no Deck invincible and providing possibilities for overall weaker but specifically proficient Decks. Players may choose decks of the same Power Tier to further increase the odds for a balanced matchup, commonly leading to well-sized and plentiful turns. Thematic Yu-Gi-Oh! is up to date with all card releases.
1. Thematic Decks may include:
o In the Main and Extra Deck, any card that lists or is listed on a card in the Deck.
o In the Main Deck, also any card that logically synergizes with a card in the Deck, except cards of an(other) Archetype.
2. Thematic Decks may only include Archetype-related cards by including 10+ Main Deck cards of that Archetype, among which 5+ different cards.
In Layman’s terms: “Pick a legal card to build the Deck around, then you can add any Main Deck cards that synergize with the cards in your Deck. However, to include an Archetypal card the player must include 10+ Main Deck cards of that Archetype, among which 5+ different cards. Finally, you can add any Extra Deck card that lists or is listed on a card in the Deck.”
You can find the concept and rules in more detail in the rulebook which can be found in the TYGO Discord:
The problem is what can really be done about it? Can we ban entire decks? Perhaps get rid of hand traps? Maybe get rid of these cards that can "pop" our cards, then attack our LP directly right after?
The solution is to break the game into generations. When you can only play cards from that specific era things will be as fixed as they can.
As a casual yugioh players, I think you should (Must- in these modern format) add more "Staples" cards to have a chance to go Second (it's something that the MD tutorial is lacking). It's called "Boardbreaker" spells Like Raigeki, Dark Ruler No More, Infinite Impermanence... Those cards are more newbie-friendly than the hand traps like Maxx C (Some of them their Monster negation boards cant respond too like Dark Ruler one)
Theretically, It's more like a classic yugioh that all your monster are vanilla
I've been playing since 2002, I'm not a newbie and I did run hand traps and power cards like Raigeki and Duster. If you always have the exact cards you want in hand then congrats but that isn't the case. Don't assume so much by watching only one vid.
@@SaberWolf94 Don't be too hard on the kids, they're desperate to justify the shambles their game is in and their place in it.
Turns out, we yugiboomers got out at the rightest time possible.
@@SaberWolf94 Exactly! Unless you're just running "staples the deck" you always have a decent chance of not opening any or not opening enough. If you are just cursed with bad hand trap luck and NEVER open a hand trap so long as it's possible not to, then I guess you're just fucked regardless of skill?
Besides, even the one game you did get Raigeki was a non-game really, which only serves to emphasis your point. Just because you won that game, it doesn't mean it was a good game. By that logic, every game would be a good game, provided you look through only the winner's perspective.
As someone who recently got into Yu-Gi-Oh
This game is really fun maybe it's because I joined really about two months ago but I already know how to to play cyberdragon,virtual world, drytron,and despia. (I learned them through a friend) 7/10 game I just hated that d/d dynamite phase the game went through for like 20 days
Also half your deck doesn't need to be handtraps, it's the handtraps you use nibiru,ash,droplet,droll and lock,imperm are great but they all have different uses you should use the ones you feel that counter what most people are playing
They say sometimes that ignorance is bliss. Since you have no reference on how they game was in older formats the current game you got involved with makes sense to you. There are more FTKs than just that D.D Dynamite nonsense as you'll expereince eventually.
Well the D/D Dynamite is only a thing in master duel as is a lot of this stuff cause normally you play best out of 3 so you can very well deal with those sort of decks. The big problem many complain about when talking about Modern Yugioh is that about 90% of the decks being played are meta decks. Back in the day it was the opposite with most decks being casual and only a small part playing meta. So in that sense the perspective of many old school players is off. YOu could always do stupid BS in Yugioh in every era. The best advice i can give a new player is, have fun and do not sweat losses to much.
@@619ver1 I have to disagree. It's not about meta or casual, there have always been decks that are just stronger than others. It's simply the matter of tier zero cards and decks are beyond even that. The "stupid yugioh bs you could do in every era" is contextual. For example, stardust junk decks existed from way back when but they weren't gonna get 3 Quasars out I'll tell you that. These days we have insane cards that enable you to gain too much broken advantage especially when you consider the starting player starts with 5 cards instead of 6. If someone looked at Destroyer Pheonix Enforcer in 2014 they'd think it was some fanmade card designed on yugiohcardmaker or something. The side deck argument isn't an excuse either. The side deck used to mean a way to side cards that would give you an extra advantage like extra backrow removal if your opponent used a lot of backrow, macro cosmos and d fissure for graveyard reliant decks etc. but it didn't mean you auto lose if you didn't have them from game one. Nowadays what used to be "side deck cards" are now in the main because you hardly have a choice. Once upon a time Maxx C, Veiler etc. were side cards. Nowadays you'll find people running triple Ash Blossom and Maxx C in the main. It's easy to say don't sweat losses too much but it's the manner of how you lose and how consistently it happens that makes it frustrating. There is a difference between your opponent outplaying you and beating you even if you were using a weaker deck and they were using meta, it's understandable, but when I lose without even getting the chance to play it is ridiculous. Casual decks can't even attempt to TRY and fail. Tele Dad was considered tier zero but it didn't mean you had an auto loss if you were using Lightsworn or Glads. That's the difference. You could say the same thing about other older formats even up to 2014. It's not about getting mad becase you lose but the MANNER of why and how you lose. It is not skill for my opponent to win with admamancipator all because every freaking card in that deck summons itself for free and searches another card that does the same. Rince and repeat and it's no wonder those 5 starting cards become 10. It is not skill to summon Junk Speeder, summon 5 more tuners and go into Quasars for free. THEY JUST MAKE BROKEN CARDS, INCENTIVISE PEOPLE TO BUY THEM THEN BAN THEM AND MAKE MORE. Brilliant for money but not good in terms of a skill based game.
@@619ver1 Late to the party but, I played in 2005 took a break came back around 2017 took a break and came back a week ago.
I always played off meta shit and I don't mind not being able to rank high. I do mind being able to make a cup coffee during my opponent's first turn because I drew only one ash and starting my turn, summoning aleister, being negated and having to end my turn.
I had a few game that lasted 10 turns and where I lost, I don't mind that, I play a weird invoked-red eyes-felgrand shit deck
It's not that my deck isn't competitive, it's that sometimes, I lost before drawing my first card because I didn't have enough hand traps
TF. They've banned Exodia deck because of one turn win games. Banned pot of greed but let these type of decks in the game?
I just played the game and just realized if my enemy continues summoning on first turn. I'll just surrender. Not worth my time.
What i’ve learned is you go second you loose. Bcause i don’t want to play meta second turn decks
Watching yugioh vids to cope with my opponents taking 10+ minutes first turn
After 2018, the game broke and became unplayable. Up th legacy of the duelist pre link and pendulum that's were the game became broken
*The meta crying kids have been really silent after this dropped...*
Theyre probably still wasting their time with this game lol
the only solution is a new master rule limiting combos to a fixed number.
I understand why Duel Academy in yugioh gx exists. If you have no job or hobbies, join a School to learn this game, graduate and do this crap.
Yugioh has been about accelerating the "i win in one turn button" for years. But the fans looove that gameplay and only really get angry when a better engine comes out or something forces them to interact with the other player i.e handtraps. Then even funnier is when same yugioh player swares their's plenty of interaction... if your going second and have a 1/35 chance of drawing a boardwipe 🤣. But the gameplay loop that invites is "i wipe board then win game if not i lose."
Here's why you're wrong and short sighted. Yeah, you could OTK your opponent as far back as 2004 if you had the right cards. Here's the difference: Tele dad was tier zero in its time but you didn't have unlimited mali plays for free synchros. You had at best 2. If you failed to make the most out of them then you deserved to lose. Same with Blackwings and any other deck over extending. Ever since 2015 archetypes now have all of their cards be floaters so there is no punishment. Also in regards to hand traps, they've existed since the gx era. Let's pretend they existed since the 5ds era though. Veiler and Maxx c were side deck cards back then and there was debate if maxx c was even as good as veiler. Is anyone going to have that debate today? That's because the game has become so extreme and so broken that if you don't go off because of your opponents maxx c then your opponent will and kill you, you don'y have time to be passive, set real backrows etc. It isn't about being angry that a better deck has come out, it's about the game design philosophy as a whole since arc v.
Yes, i stopped playing yugi before even 2010 I back now and it just fucked up . I made a deck like this too but its just so boring and annoying I left it again
I can't blame you. It's sad that the game evolved in this way but here we are.
@@SaberWolf94 this series should have ended earler
Why are these guys playing solitaire so close to each other lol
I started playing yugioh master duel a WEEK ago, lowest rankings, against people just starting out. Guess what......STILL RUNNING INTO THIS KIND OF STUFF, I love the game but would lave to be able to play it even more, uninstalled.
Unfortunately modern Yu-Gi-Oh is just a bunch of automatic decks no talent no skill They play themselves The people just move the cards around what the company needs to do is bring back the old format similar how speed dueling is different from the modern mess it's become
Yep. That is my biggest turn off. The card packs even already predetermined and have their own recipe. Like seriously in the older titles if you buy a card pack it is all rng based so you can get duplicates of the same and many random cards.
Yugioh is watching your opponent play.
So it's basically like Pegasus' toon world on steroid?
Just rush to get the first most biggestest hugest numeroustest stick to beat, negate, and suffocate your opponent on the first turn now?
It used to be like a chess match where we can bluff and outsmart the most strongestest card back then IIRC..
And then XYZ came..
Ehh the problem isnt soo much with the extra deck monsters, the problem is the fact that there are WAAAAYYY too many OP generic extra deck boss monsters that can be splashed in any deck and easy to abuse
@@Headbanger9000 next "new mechanisc" would be treating banished/removed from play as another pocket/waiting room where every special summon can't be negated.. awesome..
@@linuxjodi4311 already have that with Flundereeze. God I hate that deck...... decks are just too powerful anymore.
Just add a single special summon per turn only format, i would do that.
Modern yugioh is shit
Modern yugioh is beyond shit
Old school was the same at least as far as having generic staples, over priced cards, and tier 0 decks. Chaos control literally locked your opponent out of drawing and was the first tier 0 format which is what created the forbidden list in like 2004. Plus cards like mechanical chaser were over 200 bucks just because it could beat the 1800 attack beaters by a mere 50 attack points. Plus every deck ran like 20 of the same cards such as pot of greed, graceful charity and raigeki. The modern era is just a more evolved form of the old school except today cards get reprinted faster and have more mechanics. Also some of the older cards definitely cant come off the banlist but lots of the newer ones can just because the older cards only get better over time. Something like pot of greed cannot return while zoodiac drident could easily. I get what you're saying in the video but keep in mind old school was toxic as well.
I highly disagree with old school being toxic, a better word would be "not perfect". You have to look at things contextually. As someone that's played those formats extensively and has an entire book about them I'll tell you right now the old Imperial Order without an errata was less of a pain than a errated Imperial Order in the modern format. I'll give it to you in the money department but I don't really focus on that, that's just supply and demand and can be applied for many things. The tier zero you're talking about is not the tier zero of today, the tier zero of 2016 etc. FTK decks like Magical Scientist were not always consistent and had a big risk to them and before Invasion of Chaos you needed to have the nuts in reasoning decks to OTK on your first or second turn. Invasion of Chaos made that even easier but decks but it wasn't as dramatic as some people make it out to be with the exception of CED which eventually got limited and then banned. Yata Garasu could have been used in conjuction with other hand control cards and achieve the same result of preventing your opponenet from drawing and stripping thier hand but once again was not invincible. Just as you say because almost all decks had a similar skeleton of the best staples by default the formats were more balanced and teching was everything, how you used your best staples was everything. General card pool is also a factor. No matter what happenes, it has been proven even in formats like expanded for pokemon tcg that the bigger the card pool the more problerms you'll have. You say drancia could come back but that's only because there are thousands of borken cards around now anyway, all of the modern broken cards getting mixed with older ones and the result is a crazy anything goes game where you get punished for being conservative or overthing your plays simply because you cannot account for everything your opponent could have as an answer for your play.
i useally stick to archetype only decks, no mix matching, i like playing like i am in the anime, so i useally ignore the meta and run my own deck, such as evil twins, it has a fairly long combo but it doesnt take 200 years old, all i gotta do is summon ki sikill, activate her effect, special summon li la, link summon TWICE, and depending on what i need i go for evil twin ki sil kill or evil twin li la, i then activate which ever one i summon, effect which allows me to special summon lets say ..i used evil li la, i can special summon li la from my grave, then link summon oncemore to summon evil twin ki sikill, then activate her effect to summon evil twin li la from the gy then activate evil twin kikill effect wwhich allows me to destory one card, after that if i have evil twins li la & ki sikill, using evil twin ki si kill and evil twin lila as tribute summoning material i gain 4000 atk ..... ... ... ...... .... ok yeaah maybe its alot but am not summoning an whole fuckin board of monsters at the veryleast its two monsters on the board at the same time
"just use hand traps" sounds dumb, because half your deck needs to be HT to stop plays which to me defeats deck building
If konami wants to fix the game, completely ban or outright get rid of pendulum and link summoning. Thatll show the game down and allow more interaction and be more fun and interesting and not just solitaire
I don't fully agree. For one that would never happen and even then it wouldn't be enough. It is the design philosophy that's the root of the problem. Cards like Junk Speeder and swordsoul for example are synchro based and they are just as bad if not worse in many ways. Broken cards are everywhere whether the faciliate any extra deck summon or none at all like Eldich.
I got destroyed by crystal beast durages the timeless + combo gigantic champion sargas without letting me summon and canceling my turn. I immediately reported because seriously. How is that fun?
Alright, so most of those bs combos die to either Nibiru or Droll and Lock Bird. based on the hands i see you with. just replace the Mystical Space Typhoons with Nibirus and you will have a lot more actual games. I get that i might have not have the most liked opinion on this, but from what i can tell you aren't adapting to what your playing against. Nobody gets to higher ranks in master duel by just playing the same deck on every match, they adapt. run 2 called by the grave and a crossout designator. run 3 Nibiru and 3 Droll and take out those MST's. Modern yugioh has a ton of skill to it if you build your deck around the modern game. People take red-eyes of all things to diamond and above in master duel, you just have to experiment, and know when to use your hand traps against certain decks. which i will say takes quite a bit of experience. but that xp barrier is literally the hardest one to break through because in master duel you dont have cards that cost 20 bucks per copy. like, you say how does that take skill, but I guarantee it will take you multiple hours to figure out even half of any of those combos. just like it takes hours to fine tune and adapt you deck. Its one thing to say you dont like modern yugioh, but saying its not about skill is completely false, and honestly unjustified. Also, ash blossom negates maxx c, and if you resolve maxx c, you should with the game no questions asked 99% of the time. Which is why its banned in the tcg.
Number 1. Check the date of the video. Number 2. You've made the same points about running hand traps like a million others have. You assume I didn't run hand traps when I used to play, I did. This isn't the anime. You're not gonna have the hand traps at the exact time you want and even if you do they don't always save you. Number 3. The fact the game is so extreme that you need to run hand traps casues a million other problems that I'm tired of explaining to people like you. Number 4. Modern yugioh has been a loose format for years where anything can happen because of the vast card pool of all the new broken cards plus old broken cards like Duster making things even more complicated. This is by design so even a newbie can get a lucky victory, the exact opposite of skill. Decks and cards that play themselves is another example. Making the correct move can get you punished but if you don't you will get punished either way. I could explain to you for hours why you're wrong about the "skill" in modern yugioh but I won't, dig up the comments of this video and others if you want to know more about what I think. Of course a certain amount of skill will always be a factor in the game but it pales in comparison much older formats with limited card pools. It's a similar concept to chess. The average person won't become a master in chess in a few months and win tournaments against other masters. A new yugioh player can come in, invest in the most broken deck and see some success. That's the difference.
So what I'm reading is that you honestly just don't understand the current yugioh game. You don't understand why you shouldn't use nibiru when a Hieratic seal of the Heavenly Spheres is on board, or why you should wait until you’re turn to use dark Ruler or super poly against dragon link. Whether you like it or not, top play in the current game is significantly more skill based than you think. Goat has like 2 decks that just win against all others with Edison having like 3. With the current yugioh, it's not uncommon to see tier 2 or even rogue strategies topping a ycs. It's not because broken cards make it hard to win, because you had equal access to those broken cards. And you obviously can't explain why I'm wrong about skill, because you've made arguments to everything else I've said but that point. You're just mad because you know that I'm right. And in terms of a newbie coming in and investing a ton in the most broken cards and seeing success, well I hate to be that guy, but no. Just no. The most broken decks are always the most complicated, and a newbie isn't going to know how that deck plays around hand Traps or on board negates their first game. In fact during tear format, my friend who has been playing blue eyes since the start was able to absolutely obliterate everyone at locals that did just buy tearlaments. All it took was getting out tyrant running an abyss dweller or I had a friend who just added kitkallos to their side deck with 3 copies of ghost reaper winter cherries. But you wouldn't know the first thing about that kinda stuff because you don't think any of that requires skill. Even though in a tier 0 format, nobody that was running tears even placed 5th at locals. I'm sorry but you're simply wrong.
@@bahamuhtgames4031 The only thing you're right about is me not being familiar with the current format as it's been more than a year since I've played modern yugioh. I quit when Zoodiacs came out and only came back when Master Duel came out to make videos on it knowing my time would be limited. My thinking was at I'll at least unlock cards so that if they ever implement older formats I'll have some cards unlocked. Plus I'll make youtube videos like this one. You're absolutely wrong about March 2010 and GOAT. The beauty of March 2010 is EXACTLY the opposite of what you claim. That there are only 3 decks that win against everything else. Regarding skill: I'll give you an easy example since you clearly don't understand what I say about modern yugioh being loose where anything can happen with such a vast card pool. Back in the day we had Duster banned and the only spell and trap mass removal spell was Heavy Storm. If you played a bunch of backrow without protection you ran the risk of losing everything to Storm and losing a lot of card advanatge for no reason. Thus players would be conservative with what they played down if they didn't have protection. Right now we have Lightning Storm (don't even know if it's still at 3) and Duster. If I play a lot of backrows down I run into this risk. However, the game is so fast and extreme now that if I just set 1, my opponent will eat it up easy with a floater and then proceed to to go off. I'm sure your solution is hand traps (it's the only thing people like you use to defend modern yugioh) but hand traps conflict with most decks that cannot go off with 1 card like Live Twins and Sky Strikers and become dead weight when you don't see them at the right time therefore making you lose to yourself. Either way, even if you have them at the right time they won't always be enough and you know it. I don't know for how long you'be been playing but Tele Dad was considered tier zero during its time. YOU DIDNT auto lose though if you played Glads or Lightsworn and the deck didn't bring out 5 synchros that prevent you from doing anything. That is the difference. You had 2 synchro plays with mali and if you failed to make the most out of that you didn't have endless floaters for days to keep spamming level 8 synchros for free. That is not the case with the game today. The story about your friend is meaningless and also invalid to what I've said. You assume that a new player can't come in and quickly get the hand of "when to throw the hand trap". In the same time frame go play chess against the best players and tell me how it goes. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD Konami does nothing but make it easier and easier to get broken cards out or make decks that play themselves like Flooendereze! In your head skill in yugioh is using one of the two or 3 best decks with 10 hand traps and playing mirror matches. In that case yeah the matches will be more "even". You say that I hadn't adapted when I still played, in that case I encourage you to watch actual matches that I've played and not replays used to show the worst of the game, although they were super common. It's not about not adapting, it's more about the unlimited potential of broken combos and interactions with the vast card pool of broken cards we've been getting since 2015. If you want to be in denial it's on you, the reality is my channel as of writing this isn't very big but the amount of other players also expressing the same thoughts on these yugioh videos is staggering.
@@SaberWolf94 ok, so to prove my point even further, let's say you're playing dragon links and go full combo without having an extra card in hand, you get nibiru'd, then you lose all the card advantage you generated for no reason. It just happens sooner man. So if I just summon 4 times, or keep a card in hand to at least end with a mirrorjade it's essentially the same as what you said skill is for older formats. That being MY ENTIRE POINT!!! You're complaining about a game that you yourself said you don't really know about. As far as goat is concerned some variant of chaos deck, gravekeepers and burn. Literally the best 3 decks. And you can debate that chaos decks just aren't it anymore because of gravekeepers. And for edison Blackwings Monarchs and lightsworns. In both formats those decks have clear and uncut advantages against almost any others. So it's basically rock paper scissors man. The reason that people made edison and goat formats was because nostalgia, now that we have been taken back to it. People have developed new strategies or modified old ones to make them more powerful. And with that being done now, you can kinda tell that those decks have some pretty unfair advantages. If you want to play better in the current format, learn to play around hand Traps while making a competent board. Like making Hieratic Seal before you're 5 summon to play around nibiru, or use a fake out search like using a quick launch to play around ash blossom. Maxx C I'll let you have, you just have to draw the out to that one. It's banned in the tcg for a reason. But that was also a decently old card! You are literally making my point for me man. As for stuff like live twin and sky strikers. Those decks typically run MORE hand Traps than other decks because they don't need 26 combo pieces like dragon link or synchro spam. You actually don't know what you're talking about. I could also explain to you how a single Effect Veiler, one of the oldest hand Traps can stop almost any combo deck if you want me to. I'll tell you exactly what card to Negate and at what time. The fact is knowing when to Negate something is just as important as having multiple negates, whether or not it's a hand trap. And the example I gave was actual real world experience. And Tele dad being tier zero and not auto losing is literally the same example as I gave with tear. And in terms of bringing out multiple synchros that lose you the game, play Dark Ruler No More, Forbidden Droplet, Book of Eclipse. Those aren't hand Traps but would still swing the odds way back in your favor, the same as if you were to play Storm back in the day. Hell Raigeki is at 3 rn and a lot of decks just have to use their one omni-negate on it or lose. No negates, have fun! It's your turn to combo off, only you can attack for damage! Don't like playing hand Traps? Build for a blind going second deck! Then you can just wait until they're done combing and break their board with spell cards then put a 3k beatstick on board and kill them over the course of 3 more turns! Hell, play true dracos if you really want to play old school. Like, you say that there isn't skill but there's more thinking you have to do now than ever! I'll give you the floo point but floo literally just loses to things like druiswurn and graveyard effects. Yeah, to someone who's new to modern yugioh like you, I can see how you think these things, but if you had never quit yugioh, you'd have a lot more insight on just how wrong the take off "modern yugioh isn't about skill is" because everything has a counter, you just need to learn when and how to use them. Also, you played heroes and I doubt you made it past silver. People have taken that deck far higher than you have, by the nature of the fact that there is a ranked match in the game and people are higher than proves that skill means a lot. Especially is you really couldn't make it past silver, when we have Cimo doing challenges called master duel madness? I can't remember what it's called. But the fact that challenges like that exist prove you wrong. You want skill? Play me in master duel. I'll let you always go first, and I won't put hand traps in my deck since you seem to think that hand traps are my answer to everything. All I'm saying is that, if you yourself say you're not familiar with modern yugioh, then your opinion on whether or not it's skill based is mute, because you literally couldn't know if your unfamiliar with it.
@@bahamuhtgames4031You have no idea what you're talking about regarding those older formats and I'm sick of people saying we love older formats because of nostalgia. If old yugioh was so bad the game wouldn't have become one of the best selling card games. Same with video games. Bloodborne was amazing when it first came out not just now because of "nostalgia". Challening me to play means nothing, it all depends on the decks we play at the end of the day and who told you I always favour going first? As for ranking I've made it to Platinum (or maybe diamond?) whatever was the highest ranking when I used to play but I'll admit I wouldn't stay there for too long. I guess you're not listening to me when I say I got back to make videos on the game for the channel. I would use stuff like d heroes, shaddols etc. You keep assuming things about me and don't know anything. Stop trying to think that your way of approaching the game is the only correct one. If anything you should be asking why the player base has become so split and so many players agree with what I think about the game today. You don't even know why the game has developed the way it has but Konami is happy to laugh at players like you that will eat up anything.
have you read phoenix enforcer it's not in the game yet
Yes I know about it, it's just another broken card to join the rest. Drytrons and all the other nonsense are frustrating me enough it isn't like enforcer is gonna be that much worse than all the other ridiculous cards around.
@SaberWolf94 the thing is that he’s generics with Fusion Destiny and every deck will play it for Drytron you should try to craft forbidden droplets dark rulers no more or Kaiju budget options options strike is also really good with a other trap to negate the negates Torrential Strike 👌🏻
@@buntaro6663 Thanks for the suggestions, I need to look up dark ruler no more and remember its effect. I absolutely hate kaijus although I have teched them in decks in the past. I hate them because they punish the decks that can only bring out one boss monster that you want to rely on like the magnet warriors.
It's just not fun anymore.
yu gi oh is not the same game anymore......now everyone in first turn can summon a monster that immune everything, your trap/spell/card effect useless now
lets duel!! lol okay first game not even a duel
you don't get to play that's my problem with this game also if Konomi don't come out with some cards with some win conditions for battling a yubel monster im not coming back to play this game
Limit special summons fixes the game.
IDK man..... Like, I agree with the content of your argument itself, no doubt there.
But huh.... Trap-heavy decks like that tend to suck since the late Synchro era over a decade ago, and you said you stopped in 2017 which is early into the Link era. That deck with black horn of heaven looks crappier than any standard of the last 8 years, if not longer. It kind of looks like your deck is worst than it'd be to make sure the point is not only proven but also enhanced, which is not really needed. Even if those opponents in the video are somewhat tame compared to current standards (so it is even worse than it was at the time of this video truly), it still stands that the actions/steps are too many, texts too lengthy, and combos too dynamic.
I don't think the blame is on any mechanic. Not Rituals, Fusions, Synchros, Xyzs, Links, or even Pendulums individually (although the last 2 had some questionable points to them that thankfully got patched up eventually to a degree). It also isn't on cards being too generic or too themed (GX era sets sucked because of the hyper specific archetype focused support, and DM era stuff like Goat Format was almost entirely generic, and guess what's the fan favorite old format to play?). It is simply that the game sucks at nuanced effects interacting in a better paced manner within the same ecosystem. You could take the newest mechanic and design support for it with the sensitivities of an older format and it'd be cool. You can take the most xenophobic archetype concept in the game and still make it fun and design it to have interesting interactions with other potential decks within its same game.
It is a much simpler issue... the individual effects enable and optimize things too much, and the most serious players that wanna win at events and be the best don't necessarily care about the fun in the experience, and those are the ones that get the most new product into their decks ASAP to achieve this, meaning their money talks louder, and so the simple fun of the casual experience is a distant noise in the corner of the next room. Only fairly recently the investors have been going "hey yo! why aren't we getting new blood into the game?".
solitaire for neckbeards
Met players like that in DL once I counter their trump monster card they immediately give up.
If you had maxx c he would have either stopped on his track or keep playing like a fool and you would have surely clapped him. Coming from DL I realized modern yu gi oh is all about countering your opponent's combos.
Key word is "if". There is no skill in a situation where if you don't have a specific type of card you lose before you can play, I repeat lose BEFORE you can play. I'm still playing the game but I get pissed when situations like this come up. The other thing is that having numerous hand traps in your deck decreases your consistency instead of having cards that contribute to your strategy, darwing them when it's too late etc.
@@SaberWolf94 see I have a problem with this as well, not only does the opponent combo for minutes, they summon until able monsters with crazy attack and do it before you can play. Then when you can play they have 5 or 6 negates waiting for you. They need to increase the cost of these negates it’s ridiculous like a mana pool or something.
@@BeefsquatchGaming It's too easy to pull off that's the problem. Cards that summon other cards and float for days without end. Back in the day we had Gladiator Beast Heraklinos but he wasn't an easy monster to get out in Glads and he didn't negate effects. Then you got the Quasar synchro decks that could get that card out, but you only had that one card to deal with not 4 monsters negating everything. Unfortunately yugioh's answer to broken cards is more broken cards so there's no going back now. They know this that's why they're trying to do all the alternate formats in Master Duel and gathering feedback. I just hope they give us the option to play with older formats and banlists eventually.
@@SaberWolf94 if they allow us to play the original format in a game mode I’d be all for that, I think everything before pendulums was okay that’s when it got nuts lol
Yeah, the game got insane, but (no hate) your deck is trash. What it is supposed to accomplish? What is your game plan?
If I'm not mistaken I'm using mosly D Heroes in this video and it's not trash, just not tier zero. The deck aims to exploit Dominance and Dreadmaster and has options with a rank 4 toolbox thanks to Drilldark. Obviously Phoenix is in there too now. I have plenty of matches wrecking folks feel free to watch some of those too. I can do some hardcore plays with it trust me.
@@SaberWolf94 A lot of D-HEROes are indeed trash, unfortunately. Why Blade Master, for one
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 Consider the date of when the video was posted and consider that not everyone has all the cards they need. Blade Master acts as a Kalut so it's not always useless but I'm not running him currently.
@@SaberWolf94 Master Duel is extremely generous with essences bevause you can get a lot of cards to dismantle, so that is not an argument
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363 I never said it's impossible to acquire new cards. If you're trying to have access to a lot of cards and decks, trading cards for fewer gems than when you craft them is a net loss if we look at this mathematically. Now if it's cards I have more than a playset or know that I'll never use then sure. I know what I'm doing don't worry. I'm nearly caught up with all the cards in the game and I haven't spent any real money. This video is 7-8 months old.
I never would duel someone’s with Asian letters 😭😭😭 they play fr and if they go first you might as well surrender and que up again
It doesn't have anything to do with where they're from what you're describing can occur with any player that's using degenerate broken stuff.
@@SaberWolf94 why would the Asians letter dictate where there from I could be a huge anime fan with Japanese letters in my user name
@@lorddom397 I know that, it was you that implied players with Asian letters always use degenerate broken stuff.
Exactly they bunch of tryhards that's not skill that's tryhard they not play on the heart on the cards that's why I play more Rogue then meta
It just ain't the same no more 😴
Me and ma friends play rogue decks against each other. We use synchros and xyzs but no link and pendulum...its fun. Modern play is just link/xyz/synchro spam on crack...
Ye. Atp Synchro-summon/xyz/link-summoning should be restricted to only be performed once per turn
well, inoble knight is the only REAL unfair deck of the game, since it steals ur handcards.
drytron draco and eldlich are sadly absolutly fine, annoying but fine and beatable...
Every deck is beatable no matter how borken. This isn't the point.
@@SaberWolf94 i didnt said its unbeatable huh?
@@N1GhtKnIGht That's exactly what you said "annoying fine decks that are beatable" and I don't agree broken decks and cards are fine because it's possible to beat them. You'd think there'd be a limit to how much more broken cards are going to get but no, they just keep making them more broken. I suppose they still need milk the game.
@@SaberWolf94 i mean, i´m currently a top player on the leaderbord for the real card game and i know that there are things that arent okay, abuse of handloops arent okay, since it destroys more counterplay then ftk's.
i have played back then against wind-up and gem-knight ftk, wind-up was more fine then this, since it loses against veiler, this doesnt even lose against nibiru...
Advanced Format? More like Sugma Format
3:48 why u play magic drain that card doesn't do anything gud. And yeh i understand your frustration. how about i give u a place to enjoy either goat or edison format, if u interested. ppl in that game 50/50 friendly and tryhard
Keep the date of the video in mind. I recorded this a year ago in February and clearly didn't have triple Solemns etc. Also the card is a free magic jammer if they don't discard a spell and if they do it's technically a plus one (it used to be anyway now everything floats). It would be interested yes are you talking about master duel? I'm focusing a lot on pokemon tcg online now since its days are numbered but fill me in.
@@SaberWolf94 uhh no, it's about edopro. Another ygo simulator that came before MD 2 yrs. It has different format for u to enjoy, mind if we exchange discord account we can continue from there. Just give me your account name so i can add u there
@@ultronsigma2737 I see, I'll have to pass then. I don't have a discrod and I have no intention of making one. I also gave up downloading and using devpro and ygo pro variants. I know about edopro but I don't want to use it. Thanks for your offer though.
@@SaberWolf94 understandable, have a great day sir
My man your playing a jank hero deck and ju gi oh is aways had combos yes thay have goton more cazy it is what it is from the looks of it your not runing any hand traps your gonna loss if your whole deck is jank with no hands traps/staples
And losers like you is the reason the game is so shit right now
Dude, no offense but this is a terrible video. If you are gonna play a 2010 deck against 2022 decks with the wrong ratio of hand traps/going 2nd cards, you are gonna lose everytime! Go check out DB Grinder's videos and see the back and forth gameplay in modern yugioh. You need to adapt to the new format and use newer cards.
Also, master duel has the feature to use in standby phase. Your chain settings are set to auto by default, you need to set it to on.
Overall, please think twice/thrice before spreading false information
Check the date of the video. Regarding chaining on standby I figured out the settings ages ago and even mentioned it in another video. In any format in any era there are always decks that are stronger than others. I understand that. It's not about being mad because you lost but the manner of how you lose. In 2013 I was using tele dad when mali was at 2 and void ogre was out and doing okay against mermail which was the best deck. You can't even TRY and fail right now. If you watch my shaddol match video you'll see I grind matches out a lot more. That isn't the point. The game shouldn't be and wasn't used to be about running 15 hand trap cards in the MAIN deck because of all the broken decks that summon 3-4 monsters that negate everything for free. I've beaten top decks with weaker decks like constellars you just need for everything to go perfectly, see the hand traps and the kaijus at the right time and draw like Yugi from the anime. It shouldn't be like this. People these days are used to conceding the first game when put in such impossible positions and treating it as "natural". The side deck is meant to help you more against certain match ups but it didn't mean it was impossible to win game one. Yugioh is not a game based on rotations and Konami is more than happy to mislead people in using weaker decks printing a few helpuful cards for them here and there. For the most competitive players I'm not here to say don't adapt and don't use what's best to win. The point of videos like this is to showcase where the game has gone and how no matter WHAT you run, hand traps you use you can still lose just because the card pool allows your opponenet to prevent you from playing. Konami knows this it's not by luck that they created cards like Dark Ruler no more, thing is though since they can't stop printing borken cards to incentivise competitive players to buy them this cycle is never going to end. Tele Dad was tier zero. It wasn't an auto loss if you played Lightsworn or Glads against them though.
It's not that his 2010 deck is objectively worse than 2022 decks, its *why* his 2010 deck is objectively worse than 2022 decks. You said it yourself, wrong ratio of handtraps. Most handtraps aren't in archetypes, so shoving them into your deck or side deck removes consistency from any combos you plan to use inherently. I shouldn't need to sacrifice the consistency of my deck just so I can actually survive turn 2 (assuming I go first) or turn 3 (assuming I go second), I should be able to survive turn fucking 2/3 by default, especially against someone who probably looked up a competitively viable deck last night.
FTKs shouldn't exist at all, new yugioh or not, and OTKs should happen because one player was the more skillful duelist. They had better understanding of their cards and your cards, accommodated to your possible strategies, and won because of experience and pattern-recognition, not because they looked up "competitive decks yugioh 2022" and copy-pasted.
@@goldenpersonwhoexists8834 there are so many decks that don’t even run hand traps and don’t even lose to what 1 ash. Despia doesn’t even use handtraps and thats top tier. Its cause ur shitty deck from 2005 loses to 1 hand trap and you get salty about it. Update your cards most even rogue decks these days don’t lose to 1 handtrap
@@jadeslevin9392 There are definitely hundreds of decks that don't run hand traps, possibly thousands seeing as there are some 10000 cards in the game, but guess what? 90% of those decks are terrible. More decks use handtraps than don't, and that's a fact.
Fun fact, I never played Yu-Gi-Oh in 2005. I wasn't even born in 2005. All these metasheep assuming that anyone who dares not like a game that can end on turn 3 is automatically a yugiboomer who wants to go back to summoned skull beat down is sad. Cope better.
@@SaberWolf94 since they don't want to like putting set rotation the control the power of the game they should just make alternate formats where they can divide the card Pools by when they came out every card game besides Yu-Gi-Oh has a bunch of different formats for they can play cards
This game your supposed to make a deck you care about but it’s annoying. I swear down I feel like I know what the enemies will do before they do it
Invest in Nibiru, and Maxx C. You’re doing great, Bro don’t hang the game up. I’m returning to the game, gave the cards up in 05-06. Player interaction was the best thing about the old days for sure.
For now I'm still playing but it's always gonna come down to if the opponent is using a more "normal" deck or not. Maxx C only works if you see it and can start drawing other hand traps from it, or if they decide to stop. Thanks for the kind words hopefully you stick around too.
So glad that worthless being lagged out. Imagine wasting 10 mins of your life judt for internet to win? Then these guys don't have a life to waste timw in
It went from being chess to checkers.
I hate the fact that people cry about looooong combos and they have hand like this 1:54 whit cards form 2003 not considering builing a deck to respond to oponent like nibiru, ash blossom, infinite impermanence, droll & lock bird or board breakers like dark ruller no more, raigeki , lighting storm, triple tactic talent gess not. let's be honest you noob that started the game quit came back learn noting and now you are crying becouse you are noob. Also i know master duel is bad for been a best of 1 not best of 3 format that is sooo one sided whit OCG/TCG banlist that makes no sence. At the end of the game learn to build the deck that wasen't a duel links 2017 deck.
Make sure you don't delete this comment, the more people seeing what a narrowminded fool you are the better. I got you though with this vid ua-cam.com/video/Ee72WPPzmNA/v-deo.html Other than that that I've already replied numerous times to the short sighted stupid points konami ass kissers like you make so this vid is all you get.
Bro, you're playing Magic Drain. Of course it will suck if you're opponent uses a much better deck.
You're right, if I didn't run that 8 months ago when I didn't have solemns yugioh would be fixed and balanced.
@@SaberWolf94 Even with solemns you would have lost.
@@tmgn7588 It was a stupid reply to a stupid comment. The problems in this game run way to deep than simply what cards and techs you run. I have a dedicated video breaking everything down.
@@SaberWolf94 Don't sink so low. I never called you stupid, why do you start? Have some self-respect.
@@tmgn7588 Fair enough, however I do think your comments were short sighted. I detected elitism from them, some players commonly want to defend the game no matter what with comments like "if you just do this then..." People also don't check the date of when a video is posted.
lol at you boomers. Perhaps your old minds just cant keep up with the speed of this game any more.
I'm sure Konami loves you, you're the only thing in their mind. I have a few other videos like this one, they'll love you even more if you criticize me there too. It's about my mind after all not money.
When you spend 5-10mins waiting for your turn, it's just not worth it. You need to sink more and more hours into the game to even compete. Just because the game keeps changing and becoming more difficult doesn't mean it's good.
@@saulaguilar6944 Oh wow, game changes with time, not a discovery of the year if you ask me
We are no konami slaves and braindead People, they like simple stuff like YOU.
@@henrydingsings6929 Nah that's you lot, relics who can't comprehend a card with more than two lines of text.
This was always the case as far back as makyura, to magical scientist and cataoult turtle etc etc
This is not true at all whether you know it or not. I have an entire book on the 2002-2003 format. Even setting that aside the stuff that was considered tier zero in other formats were not even half as broken as what the most broken cards do these days. Tele Dad was considered tier zero for example, but you didn't get an auto loss or were prevented from playing if you used glads or lightsworn. That's the difference. Archetypes maybe had 1 or 2 searchers, today avery card spas special summons and floats with multiple effects mind you. This is way you can make a combo deck start with 5 cards and end up with 15 before you spam 4 extra deck monsters that are borken for free basically. Maxx C was around in 2011 but you could actually stop and live when your opponenet resolved it back then.