Why Maxx C is *NEVER* Getting Banned | Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel
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Y’all were coping hard on the Maxx C ban
There was never any evidence implications that it was going to be banned lol
I disagree.
Anyone can tell Multchummy is written as a significantly weaker maxx c. It's practically an errata. Totally reasonable to think Konami might want to replace a card people have been complaining about for years.
@@masterduelcentral the problem here is we’re seeing it from tcg lenses, ocg doesn’t see the game the same way we do and they prefer having maxx c
@@masterduelcentral your first problem was using logic and some good sense, this is Konami, they like to do the illogical thing
The cop was wild lol
The problem with maxx is that it forces you to have
3x ash
2x called
1x Crossout
and if possible
2x gamma + 1 yellow Psy-frame
3x Droll
So 20% or 25% of the deck is pre-determined
I just cope there is a restriction on max c, like the player cannot activate any effect after max c resolves. Because i hate giga end board + maxxx c.
Of course Maxx c isn't getting banned, how else would you draw your multchummy
Based video. HardLeg Joe also did a video debunking a lot of common maxx c arguments.
I appreciate you dunking on chat lol. You're not alone in feeling that unfun anxiety around a card that more often than not ruins the match.
The card literally just pushes people towards stun and decks that have a convient plan B.
This comment section has me conflicted lmao. A lot of people rlly hate what I have to say and I think maybe I didnt express it well enough, it was kinda stream of conscious but I'm genuinely so tired of this card.
I just hate this card, i don’t know what they firstly were smoking to write a card like this, and second how it still can be on 3. It takes so much fun away from the game, it’s incredible. It has no purpose at all, like some people saying, like to counter top tier combo decks . It’s just an additional rng factor, which wins u the game a lot of times, if ur opponent gets it while u are going first and u don’t have ash or called by, u mostly end ur turn with a shitty board and get otk the next turn, or u keep playing giving the opponent half his deck on his hand, a lot of times is nibiru the result, but what’s for sure, ur opponent will have everything in their hand to play through everything u have on ur field. If u go second, the chance is the same, that ur opponent has Maxx c in their hand, plays it, then u not even against a board full of interruptions, but also have Maxx c to deal with. Cards like ash blossom etc are not an argument, cause even 2x called by the grave 3x ash 1x crossout u won’t have any out in ur hand a lot of times. It just gives so much more rng into a card game that already has a lot of that, deciding the result of duels before the first card was set, it’s ridiculous.
I was coping really hard. I'll admit. I just want it gone so badly.
I'm totally fine with Maxx "C" getting banned, as long as every card released after Joey The Passion gets banned, too.
I can think of exactly 3 decks that can do fine without playing Maxx "C": Labrynth, Sky Striker and Runick. The reason these want to consider not playing it is that getting hand ripped by Talents/Psy-Framelord Omega(made after negating it with Gamma) is way more of a threat for the first two decks than letting the opponent make a board(and in Runick's case it just wants as much space in 40 cards to fit in Runick Spells so Hand Traps are the first thing to get dropped since Fountain replaces the need for them).
As for decks that can play well UNDER Maxx "C", at this point it's basically just Rescue-ACE, Flooandereeze and Barrier Stun shenanigans, R-ACE because it can use HQ or Emergency to play around it and get to Set 4 in 0-2 Special Summons after it resolves, the other two because they try to destroy you with Normal Summon spam. Even Labrynth can do a notable amount of special summoning under the right circumstances thanks to Lady, both Welcomes, Stovie and the Field Spell despite being a deck meant to set a bunch of Traps, which is honestly a bit ridiculous at times.
Branded plays *okay* into Maxx C too. You can build a decent board with 3-4 summons and set up to play on your opponent's turn. Fire King isn't terrible either. Labyrinth is definitely the one that cares the least.
Decks that rely on link climbing care the most. If Maxx C resolves on their turn, they can't function at all.
In general, Floo sucks. It loses to so many things and has a high chance of bricking.
And yet Runick Sky Striker is playing and profitting off of Maxx C. A lot.
I think they will ban maxx c. They didn't right now coz they wanted to release the whole chummy archetype first. Anyways very few people are playing the new maxx c, maybe that's why they left it for now. Just my feelings.
Well, ya could argue that Multchummy was made specifically and only to replace Maxx C in Master Duel but given they just extended the Tactical loaner decks to September 1st and Maxx C being an Ultra Rare, they won't touch the roach anytime soon and instead, they'll release Multchummy Purulia in a set that will expire after September 1st so that once that set is out of rotation, they can start by semi-limiting Maxx C first, limit it later then finally ban it which hopefully when that time comes, we'll have the GY as well as the Extra Deck Multchummy monsters.
If anyone is wondering why I said they'll semi it first then limit it, it's because if they immediately ban Maxx C and add Purulia in the same day, that'll be 90 UR crafting points that at least 90% of the player base will get refunded to and not to mention that people might just use those crafting points to immediately craft a playset of Purulia thus impacting the sales of that set
Bro I love how a lot of ocg players recently think they are all high and mighty and want to bring down tcg players for wanting Maxx c banned it’s so bad that they think that you play tcg. I don’t know why they think only tcg players want it banned and I also don’t know why they want to keep.
Ask that to TCG people, why keep complaining a format they are not playing at
There is a ocg UA-camr called sunny and he has a video called "ocg player compains about the banlist" it's quite insightful.
who cares, better off go read the limit regulation tweets and look at the core audience instead some random guy, twitter have translate isnt?
@@r3zafulno it's not, you only get complaints that way and not a deeper understanding how the ocg works
@@rafflesiaandfriends joke on you, im playing ocg, in english speaking countries ocg, tcg has been called a joke of banlist exists to sell product without caring about people who bought the cards we laught at you at your rarity collection baronne ban and indonesia its not rare to be called "penyepong tcg" which is esentially "tcg cocksuckers", you people dont know this because you dont dive deep enough, there is hate towards tcg players that people dont show here because they are trying to be nice to you and here i am show you the reality, behind you people are sick of these "ban maxx c" champaign spam everywhere.
@@rafflesiaandfriends go dive deeper and you will get only insults, deeper understanding is
getting hit by maxx c is the same as getting hit by skill drain or kaiser colloseum, at least getting maxx c ed i dont lose instantly, if i dont have out to tenpai passing on heat wave i lose instantly, so what is the difference between us and you then? we dont complaint too much, we deal with it until konami fix the problem.
@@r3zaful i'm not arguing which is worse I'd be happy having them all gone but at the end of his video he talked about Maxx c and why it was never gonna get banned at least not on this list and why most ocg players didn't think Maxx c was going to get hit and the only people who thought that were tcg players who didn't understand the ocg.
I understand that there will never be a fair for all situation and I agree with the reasoning behind both banning maxx c and keeping it at 3. Personally I just think it’s the lesser of 2 evils to keep it at 3 just to control the number of 8 min turn 1’s everyone has to endure.
Ppl who defend maxx c are delusional lol Its the most broken card ever printed no argument.
I think it should be clear at this point that konami is not that smart tbh. I don't think they'll ever ban maxx "C", but it is possible that they will and they just want to test the waters a bit with the new maxx c before banning the old, BUT I wouldn't cope on that, most likely they won't, because that would make too much sense.
Having played master duel since they came out, i'm simply starting to accept our shitty reality. I mean what else can I do, play other card games? I've tried that and they all shit on themselves very fast and I come back to ygo every time.
Honestly I understand the conversation is solely on maxx c and sympathize with you. I feel that feeling of disgust that you feel with maxx c with a majority of the cards that come off the printer at this point. It feels like 100+ cards need to see the banlist in one form or another and its frustrating to know the only way to participate in a meaningful way is to also play the cards that are the problem with the game. This is why I moved on from actually enjoying the game and I just play it now to get dailies to collect accessories/pet decks.
😂thats Crazy that they won't bann that damn card because Max-c does take some fun out of master duel 🤔 but yes limit it to 1or 2💯
I do agree with what MBT said about this situation. He said that it’s national season and they can’t just change the entire meta of the ocg during nationals. So till nationals are over we can’t see if they are or aren’t banning the bug
My only hope is that we'll get more Multchummy cards that have different uses and that will lead to the ban of Maxx C, but that card is simply not good enough for all the OCG players to accept it as a replacement. it would maybe be good enough if it wasn't useless going first. It's almost sad how hard they defend a card that has defined their entire meta for so long.
And, even if the other Multchummies arrive. Konami will never ban Maxx "C" since OCG players would not like the idea of literally having half of their 40 card decks taken over just to replace Maxx "C" with Multchummies, which is what would happen if Maxx "C" (a card so important that the entire format and the game as a whole revolves around it) gets banned
The only reason Multchummy Purulia would be chosen over Maxx "C" is against decks that overuse Normal Summoning. But the only one that has been relevant is Floowanderezze. So, unless we start getting Rush Duel cards transferred into OCG and TCG (something that would be very nice honestly since many of those would be very nice to have along)
The other use for Multchummy Purulia is against Decks that Special Summon so much that Maxx "C" becomes a liability rather than something useful (cof cof Syncron cof cof) because, let's face it, no likes to have 15+ cards in their hand, specially physically. That's where the second effect would truly come in. But, there the thing, many off those decks run Card Destruction to simply FTK you. So something have to be done first about that Spell. (That card needs to be Banned) if they would want Purulia to be useful in that regard
If Konami doesn’t want to ban maxx c can we please get goat & Edison format as permanent game modes that’s literally the one and only thing I want for master duel at this point
Master duel should have a mode to play TCG or play OCG . For people can play what's better for them. I like playing TCG and I'm always getting confused on what's ban and not because it's different banlist.
I'm definitely a little upset over no Maxx C hit. Though there's a chance it's because the Tactical-Try decks that they just released have Maxx C in them. So maybe in a future list it'll get hit?
I think they wanna keep it until the end of worlds and then they'll ban it, just to keep the format pretty consistent until the comp season ends
In the OCG, there is not really that much incentive to play Purullia because you already have Maxx C. I'm more interested in its impact in the TCG.
I agree with what you said. The game will never be balanced anyways, there’s too many cards.
I started playing YGO again because of Master Duel and because I thought it would be the official way that Konami would provide us with the ability to play the TCG format. Guess what? Yeah.
Maxx c is 50/50 for me. I want maxx to help stop certain combo decks from going off. But at same time, when your opponent maxx c you and now you can’t pop off (unless ash or call by). Like maxx c (in my opinion) helps but doesn’t help. If maxx c ain’t getting banned then it needs to be limited to 2 or better yet 1.
I think they just need to replace it with a weaker version
2 formats with Maxx c and 1 without. Maxx c is just fine as is. And like it or not, it's not going anywhere
I will never understand Maxx C Defenders, every argument they present makes me wonder what universe they live in
live in ocg in never be ban just 1
It helps keep combo decks in check. The same people who complain about it also run it, and will also make boards with many negates so opponents cant play or will run floodgates...like yugioh community literally just wines about everything.
Shit i used to run kaijus in every deck and people complained that they were a cop out because i got around there towers monster. I lost track of how many times i heard "damn kaiju just made my whole combo worthless auch a damn cop out, cant beat ( insert towers monster) so you have to tribute it...
"It helps keep combo decks in check" pls tell me this is bait
@@masterduelcentralobviously sarcasm. Everyone that defends Maxx C uses that claim. I'm Indifferent IDC if we have it or not. I hate when it's used on me but I also use it. Same as everyone else on masterduel and same as everyone when Maxx C came to the TCG
@cbutler9090 Oh yeah I mean I obviously use it too. But its shameful wins when it goes through I cant lie. I just dont want to gimp my own deck to "send a message"
@@masterduelcentral I had a friend who kept putting exodia into decks just for the "Maxx C challenge" only worked against a star dust synchron player.
Need more card that negates max c personally
It's really annoying that Maxx "C" dont have any f*kin down side, no cost, no restriction, no fun :)))))
Me, a Floowandereeze player: * Evil laughs through ``Normal Summon Robina. Response? Oh, a Maxx "C"? Cool story.`` *
Bro,do u call floo a deck? Its so weak ,put full armor master and its done for floo 😂
I’m happy it’s here to stay
Maxx C will never be banned for one reason and one reason only: It sells cards, whether it is handtraps/countermeasures/play around that means more UR's in the market = more money for Koonami. (Ash would never become as popular as it is without Maxx C)
Only reason Maxx C has not returned to the TCG, is because the cardboard game sucks and it is dying and also governing body for the TCG is different than the OCG.
Im not sure if this is actually true. Feel like konami might see potentially more money in people having different staple packages in their decks. For example right now if you've been playing masterduel for 2 years, thats likely 2 years where you've had 9 ur cards you can fit in any deck that dont cost you anything extra and that you never need to dismantle. A format without maxx c is a format where the staple package actually changes constantly, konami wants you to dismantle cards, that's always in their best interest except when you dismantle a royal so I think the best staples fluctuating constantly would end up making them more money.
@@masterduelcentral True, 9+ cards mandatory to combat the bug.
But all of those mandatory cards are at UR and SR now multiply this by the number of players in Master Duel and you will see the trend.
This means that Koonami has guaranteed money coming to them in the form of these mandatory cards, any card they add to this pool is more money for them.
A format without the bug means less money for Koonami and they will never let that happen.
Guaranteed Money = safe route.
Fluctuating Money = You hit it big, or you go broke. Too much of a gamble when running a business to hell with the meta, give me my cash.
One last thing to think about: Why can't you dismantle legacy packs/structure deck cards?
Answer: Koonami does not want you to dismantle cards.
Dismantled cards = Free Dust
Free Dust = Free UR/SR
Free UR/SR = Lost money for Koonami.
@@Maxstratus2002 No. Konami doesn't want you to dismantle FREE cards.
@@masterduelcentral and why is that? refer to my previous comment.
Dismantling was added to Master Duel to add the Free aspect of F2P.
If it was up to Koonami they would remove it entirely, but they can't because F2P now becomes P2W.
P2W never ends well for any game that has it.
Funny because both the TCG and OCG are entirely P2P/P2W. (P2P = Pay to Play)
All the people defending maxxC ur not invited to my wedding
What’s the date brother so I can finally be in a place not full of idiots.
Sounds like a waste of time anyways
literally every tcg player i talk to who doesnt play master duel says the exact same thing. "im not playing in maxx c format"
I don't blame them. If I had a choice I wouldn't either. Maxx c is literally a crutch card and if it resolves even a bad player can beat a top player bc of it.
Just like all floodgates should be banned. MD players don't understand how much of a handicap Maxx c is and kills the joy of the game bc they've never played in a format without it.
Maxx c is exactly why you don't see more 4-7 turn games
MD players def understand lmao. Every event without Maxx C is a celebration.
i switched to tcg only to say that
TCG players they are just a bunch of crybabies
Weaklings
Maxx c will get banned if and only if komoney calculate they can make money from it…
So sick of the roach and people saying that it keeps Combo decks in check it really doesn’t. They combo off give you turn then drop it on you and negate what you would need to stop the roach. Then you can break the board but give them 5+ cards.
Finally somebody who understands we don’t need maxx c to break boards
@@KiraOliver-vu4dgso basically “draw the out bro” is what your are saying
Also feeling shi.t with maxx c. How about a rework of maxx c that has same effect but you cant kill you opponent next turn? Which is negate for coinflip.
they could still ban it in master duel considering its best of 1 🤞🙏
Maxx "C" is getting banned, and here's why you're wrong...
I got nothing 😢.
Give it up, Maxx C will never get banned cuz its existence has one purpose and one purpose only, in my own opinion, it keeps high tier decks in check, despite ya arguments, it would be hell to play these decks constantly
@@princetonwilliams9522The fucking high tier decks play the card to, everyone who defends Maxx c are actual idiots.
@@princetonwilliams9522 L argument.
The no Maxx C events are just sooo much better. The mini game in particular is just dumb. You get those stretches where ur maxx c does not resolve but your opponent's do.
I need maxx c ugh 😩
Konami please FKN Ban MAXX C!!!!!!
i think they are gonna ban it, just not now because if im not wrong, there are a lot of imporant tournaments happaning and they didnt want to shake the meta soooo much Copium
Yeah I didn't wanna say it but that's my last bit of Cope 🤣
Maybe they're just waiting to release more of the mulchummy cards before they ban it. You said yourself, you assume there will be more mulchummys that give extra cards when the opponent specials from other places. The thing I don't get though is Konami knows card draw is really strong in this game, because all the pot cards are limited in MD for some inexplicable reason... So why is Maxx C allowed to run rampant when EVERY SINGLE DECK (besides flu, screw you lol) in the game special summons at least once.. so EVERY SINGLE DECK YOU MAKE needs to run the 9 card Maxx C package; it's exhausting. 5:14 if Johnny's point is correct, then make Maxx C a game mechanic, because requiring you to play 9 cards in every single deck limits variety immensely... Like you said Maxx C at this point is a damn game mechanic it is that prevalent, and has been around that long.
Theres an argument to be made that everyone needing that 9 card package gives konami a nice "gem wall" people have to cross when building their first decks.
I'm tired of the whole "Maxx C stops combo decks" but what stopped the same combo player from activating Maxx C after they have a broken board during your turn? what responses you have after that?
If there was an actual community in this game, it would be so easy to force konami to finally address the maxx c issue. We could all just collectively stop spending a single dime on this game until they ban the roach, they surely would be fast to react. Since this "community" is what it is however, people will continue to spend absurd amounts of money on a broken game, just to secure some wins with the next broken cards they release.
If that kind of energy could be organized, it should be more than just to ban one card. They are comfortable banning cards if it means they get to sell you on something new. I'm not looking to be a better customer. I'm looking to fix bad business practices. Mediocre sets, price gouging vendors to the point where they lose money and drop the product, short prints, outdated prize support, and then we can go into bad game design that leads to something like a Maxx C being OP in the first place. The rot runs deeper than Maxx C alone.
That would imply convincing the Japanese community into joining the train cause they’re the bulk of players
@@spicymemes7458 Obviously banning the roach alone won't fix the game, but there is absolutely no way of fixing this broken game while the roach still exists and encourages komoney to print new degenerate cards and archetypes "because maxx c bAlAnCeS them". The roach needs to go first, then lesser issues could be adressed.
If the most broken card in the whole game is at 3, everything else you do with your banlist is just pure nonsense.
Email their support too, if they're constantly flooded with emails maybe they'll finally take notice. Or at least do a seperate banlist for western countries that aren't used to Maxx c
there's no maxxx c issue, people like acting like this is a settled issue and everyone hates maxxxc, this is NOT the case, a lot of people like maxxxc and dislike the tcg/tcg meta, at most there is a debate, and one where people ignore the other side completely. i'm happy maxxxc is in there and prefer the ocg and ocg policies over tcg ones, sorry, a lot of people feel this way and just because you do not, don't pretend that you speak for the "community". not your personal army.
maxx c will never get banned because it helps and props up “pet deck/ jank” players which is a large part of the OCG market
which is also why the OCG banlist is more focused on consistency hits rather than outright killing a deck because those players will just move on to the 100s of other card games in japan
like imagine if maxx c got banned in MD, elf, auroradon, ariseheart, anaconda, among others would get banned as well killing most decks/ player-base that used them.
I stopped playing Master Duel and I will no longer play it anymore. Maxx C is the main reason behind it. I just hate that card and how rougue decks get completely annihilated by it. I'm not saying I want to reach Master rank with Machina, but let me play my rougue decks once I reach to the best rank.
If they are so stuck on not banning this, I dare to say, TOXIC card, they should at least provide a major update to MD to include a permanent TCG version of the game.
Player numbers are going to continue to decrease in the long run, especially in these tier zero formats combined with having to deal with Maxx C. It's not even fun to play MD anymore in it's current game state.
will not be playing maxx c roulette any time soon
Honestly don’t think Max C is that bad. I’ve just got used to it being played. What I struggle with when it comes to Master Duel is the lack of verity in deck I face. It is literally Snake Eyes every single duel. Snake Eyes/fire decks are destroying the game right now in my honest opinion.
Maxx C is indeed that bad, when you are going first and turn 1 play Maxx C in draw phase with a full board. You must hope you have ash and that the other guy doesn't have called by or you can instantly surrender.
@@itachiaurion3198 it’s should be re written. “This card can only be used on the first turn of a duel”
@@o161Gunners Even then, if you play first and the going second player shotgun maxx C, if you can't ash it and your deck can't make a good board within two special summon you will probably loose to card advantage or being overwhelmed. Loosing to a single card is not fun. This card just need to be nuked out of the game, this is not a solution to anything and should be banned since 8 years at least.
Maxx C kills summon-heavy decks. Nibiru kinda does too, imo, unless you can summon a defense in 5 summons.
Bro every single deck in this game special summons except for like 4 decks in over 1000 cards, stop pretending like only the meta decks special summon even fucking dark magician special summons at least twice.
This is such a dumb argument. "It balances the combo heavy decks."
Meanwhile combo heavy decks: "I also have maxxC"
@tinypokemon6655 Never said meta decks. Lots of summon-heavy decks are not meta because they can't handle nibiru/maxx c.
Also, ofc everyone is going to use maxx c. It punishes almost every deck.
80% of the time my maxx c always got negated anyway
U reminds me of MR X chasing me nd suddenly he open the door oooooh fuck he was terrefiying 😂
Amazing game
The ultimate problem with pot of greed is not necessarily it's power, but it's ubiquity since there is no reason not to use the card, as it statistically doesn't guarantee you the win, only makes your chances better. Maxx C alters playstyles that require virtually every deck to play around that is as ubiquitous and generic as pot of greed.
Everyone saying they want TCG format, you know Skill Drain is at 3 and absolutely everyone and their mom either runs or sides Fenrir at 3 right? Plenty of dumb shit to deal with in that format.
So tired of hearing this bullshit. Where tf did I ask for tcg format? MD has the best format in yugioh, the issue is it also has the most poorly designed card legal, which is maxx c. I don't give af about tcg format I want the game that I play to be fun that's it.
@masterduelcentral No some of the comments section I was reading. I agree MD format is better than TCG and OCG. And fuck Maxx C it should be banned. But some of the shit I was reading was like "give us TCG mode" or "TCG players won't play in a format with Maxx C" etc. And I'm like bro your format sucks too stfu. But no, definitely ban the roach we on the same page.
The draw the out b
Unironically if people start stacking multchummies(possibly other future ones) and maxx c they might actually find themselves forced to ban at least a couple. Hopefully the roach
only way thats going to happen is with an infernity style deck which you use your whole hand and have maxx c and ult chummy left, but but it locks you to that deck archetypes effects so people are not going to use it unless that deck is at least tier 1 at least when it releases, so you have to hope for another tier 0 format with the chummys to get max c banned
Its simple, if i get maxx c'd, and i don't have the out, i surrender. I don't try to "play it out", thats silly, the opponent is going to have a huge advantage against me, its over.
I think Maximum Cockroaches is fine. I just think Konami needs to limit the usage to either 2 or 1 to nerf it
🤡 take, maxx c keeps combo decks in check, how will I combat the 9 negate boards and all the special summons. It was so much better before we had all these summoning mechanics like pendulum and link. Back in my day a card like maxx c generated 0 value. I also hate society, etc, etc.
"maxx c keeps combo decks in check" It really doesn't, especially when those same combo decks can also run Maxx C.
Bro I know these clowns are actually insane, for one thing no deck in awhile has set up a 9 negate board, and every single deck except for like 4 special summon at least twice.
I agree with you man, if you want to see (maxx c) is good for the game or not, you can go and see how many good players in the big events win against (maxx c) when the effect go through.
if you can't play without (maxx c) then you need to find new game to play lol.
Seethe
Honestly im not against a player walk out if maxx c doesnt get banned or limited
I think the solution is making a card the lets you draw 1 card for every 2 summons
It seems fair to me
Maxx C will never go. There is no bundle, it's in 99% of decks, it's a UR, and Konami purposely hid like win rates for only C or something like that. It's a money maker for them too, everyone needs to craft and counter it. Also, FUCK Maxx C
They can just make this Multchummies an UR and everyone will dismante their Maxx C for this new one if they ban the roach, they don't loose anything in the process people doesn't get 90 free UR dust.
it literally does not make them money. Without maxx c there is more variety in staples, thus players would need to craft more staples (like mourner, veiler, ogre). Konami just doesn't want to admit that they are wrong with maxx c.
even if other mulchummy came out and covered summon from other place
no one gonna carry like 15 cards just to do what one roach can do
I guarantee you people would pick the most relevant multchummies for a particular format if maxx c was banned.
kinda late but who knows
Multchummy still pretty new right now and i think Konami don't dare enough to immediately get rid of the C just to sell the super weak version of it :P
Maxx c is really good for the game, broken meta deserves a broken maxx c.
Interesting take lmao but I get it
I literally cant play MD anymore, its so fking bad
Its that one card for me man. Its crazy how much of a difference it would make. I can take stun, I can take stall, I can take the ftk decks, I can take the 100th snake eye player in a row but the omnipresence of maxx c in every facet of the game from deck building to climbing ladder is truly exhausting.
@@masterduelcentral Damn, that's a lot of punishment you can take. I got back into yu-gi-oh through master duel for like a month (shouldn't have given it more then 1 day) and tried to give it a chance and OH BOY is the game cooked far beyond maxx C. Don't get me wrong, I think they should ban it but... everything else you've mentioned and a couple more I can add (1 card infinite combos, endless special summons, multiple use per turn effects, almost everything has a graveyard effect alongside two other effects, full negate boards, negate hand traps) is just extremely bad game design they've cornered themselves into. And maxx C itself wouldn't even be a good card if special summoning wasn't so broken to begin with. For me, banning maxx C means absolutely nothing. I really don't know how you guys can still play this game even though you clearly realize you're not having fun most of the times.
@@adriandraganescu6040 Nah genuinely I think all the things you mentioned are/can be fun to maneuver around. (Especially if maxx c was banned and I would have actual deck space to run outs to other things) My problem with maxx c is there is no real play around it for the majority of decks. The play is to either draw a maxx c out, or just pass and pray.
@@masterduelcentral I don't know about that, at least one of the things you've mentioned are worse then maxx C or at least comparable to it. Let's take FTK as an example, if you encounter one of these... you either draw the out or you're done before you get your turn.. I'd argue you may still play after maxx C resolved.. but in this case it is absolute certain loss. It's exactly the same situation as with maxx C, draw the out, right? Just yesterday I saw a vid from another CC called Josh, I reckon he's pretty popular in the community... he mentioned and showed how he got FTK'd by some turtle card that also got banned recently... something he said after showcasing that "duel" if you can even call it that was "needless to say I closed the game after" ... he didn't seem that critical of that compared to maxx C either. I find it very strange.
Konami is a joke
Tbh with so many good draw cards are banned or limited, i DEFINITELY need maxx c, i wouldn't have mind maxx c get banned if good draw cards not banned or limited or at least put the pot cards back to 3 (except pot of greed,)
I will continue to report this critical bug till Konami finally fixed it
Lmao salty as hell 😂 you can always tell the combo deck players
Once again tcg being reminded you're not the main characters of is stop crying and unban maxx c
I don't play TCG I just don't like maxx C lol
Once again ocg players think they’re all high and mighty and just assume anyone who hates the bug is a “dumb” TCG player.
So I think max c should stay. Out of all the hand traps, it’s the only one that can force most opponents to stop playing early. Max c prevents combo decks from being the only decks in the room. Almost all TCG players say that it’s becoming coin flip simulator, and that’s why we need max c. It gives the turn 2 player a play to not instantly lose to combos that end in 5+ disruptions. Even against lab, a well timed max c is super effective just by not allowing you lab opponent to completely deplete your resources.
Most people would then say max c can be used going first. My counter argument to that is if your opponent got to setup their whole board, with card(s) left in hand, was it realistic to win anymore whether that was max c or not? Would veiler or mourner or ash or belle or ogre also prevent you from breaking that board? Sometimes the answer is no, but in truth it’s more common to see a board that was already nigh unbeatable and max c option is just icing. Drawing cards is one of the scariest things you can be doing in yugioh. Taking it away would essentially result in combo control and combo stun being the best decks because the coin flip winner would just prevent any advantage from being generated.
When it comes to decks that aren’t meta, I just don’t care. Some decks are not meant to be super viable. Salad is just not the most efficient thing you could be playing, max c or no. All of the decks that are being held back by max c are a non issue because everyone carries 6+ counters for it. I play hero, I don’t think hero is bad bc max c. My gf plays unchained. I don’t think unchained is held back by max c. Combo decks are still generally the best in the game, but taking away max c makes it so they’d be the only decks in the game.
You say that but this is literally shown to be false when you look at any format without maxx c. Be it TCG or even masterduel events, Maxx C being gone doesn't magically make combo unbeatable. Your logic about breaking a board if they didnt have maxx c is also extremely wrong. This isn't drytron fromat, vast majority of players in md scoop instead of trying to bait interruptions but you would be surprised how many board you could break by just trying. I cant tell you how many times people in my chat told me to scoop and I stuck around and was able to establish myself or force a grind game that I could win etc.
@@masterduelcentral You forget in MD event, majority top tier decks are weaken too, or fully forbidden. If they not ban them too, this will be very unenjoyable event for everyone, like in the first Synchro or Fairy/Fiend. So, unbreakable board in Master Duel event is something very rare.
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Also, seeing how TCG works. Most of the format always have very monotone or a few dominant decks. So, you can prepare board breakers specific for a certain deck, because we know what most opponent will play. Well in Master Duel, this is far more diverse. Because the META in TCG is more monotone, of course this will be easier for "preparation".
@@masterduelcentral I would argue that most of the top decks in tcg and master duel event are combo based and that doesn't take into account the fact that most md events have severe restrictions and are not meant to be competitive. Drytron format no, but we've been in multiple tier zero formats in the tcg and ocg in the last few years and they were all combo decks. Even with max c combo is still by far the more common style of decks because the most efficient thing to be doing most times is trying to establish and unplayable game state for your opponent. I'm sure many would be surprised at how many boards you can play into and win, but this often relies on your opponent misplaying, which you cannot count on. It would be different if resolving max c was guaranteed, which it is not since everyone carries counters, or if it resulted in an unplayable game state for your opponent, but it doesn't. It punishes your opponent for trying to establish a board, since modern card design tends to lean towards boards that leave your opponent with little to no options to play out of a losing position. Realistically, max c is one of the only effective means of seeing the cards you would need to break a tear, or snake eye, or pre hit Kash boards.
People want to blame maxx C but let’s be real it’s not even over powered cause we all have access to it , what needs to be be band is deck that play on your turn and have 17 cards on the field no matter what
Use lock bird and ash. Man maxx c is not op.
"Draw the out" 🤡 wow very nice competitive game you have there really like how many duels are entirely based on if you got lucky and drew the out to maxx c, that's really cool! 😀
@@masterduelcentraldraw the out is still the name of the game if you remove maxx c from the equation
I don't get Konami. They would make more money banning Maxx "C". Maxx C package takes up 9 spots in your main deck for free in any deck. If you ban the card, suddenly people have to replace those spots with other cards. Not to mention that new cards like Multchummy would become chase cards that people would actually want.
Multchummy. More like, Minn "C".
Maxx C is fine in best of 1
In a bO1 format the cockroach is a necessary evil, blame the format not the card.
Just play omega and use TCG rules at this point.
MD would be the best ygo format if maxx c was gone though. Its also the only official sim.
@@masterduelcentralMD I could see it getting banned because MD have tcg players. I really hope the card gets banned there.
If people don't want Maxx C why not just play the TCG?
Real cards are way too expensive
Maybe we need master duel to have a tcg ladder then.. I won’t ever get into irl yugioh.
TCG is the most expensive of the formats in my opinion. Yeah there's no Maxx C, but physical TCG product pricing and acquisition is almost predatory, especially if you want to play competitively. Half of the stress comes not just from affording it, but playing the secondary stock market so you don't lose too much money when you want to sell off. Also, LGS have been dropping yugioh for other games and top level players are also going to those with better prize support, so not only are you left with increasingly high level events only, increasingly expensive product, but the reward for doing well is still a mat, unplayable prize cards, and a 7 year old Nintendo Switch.
because TCG sucks, with how expensive IRL cards are by the time you spend $500 + to finish your playable competitive deck the deck is already unplayable because most cards are already hit and the consistency or strategy of the deck changes constantly. Try building a IRL yu gi oh deck without spending $500+ right of the bat youll never get to play a full power deck in your life your just gonna be stuck playing budget decks at locals loosing to handtraps. tbh IRL yu gi oh is not worth it if you have a life besides yu gi oh
@@masterduelcentral yeah...that part. Lol
this is such a bad and arrogant video, i generally love your content, but saying things like "its bad game design not to do this because i don't like it" its just such a terrible take
and you answer yourself, the anxious gameplay is the feature, it makes it so you dont feel safe, so that you can lose, even with a perfect hand
its arrogant to say you would make a better game, thousands have tried, maybe make it one
"no one likes it", jesus christ.
Feeling like you can lose to rng at any given moment even with a perfect hand is not a feature it's a design flaw. Having a insta win button is not good in any competitive game. I didn't say "I would design a better game" I said I'm interested in game design, and leaving maxx c in is bad game design bc of the reason listed prior. We're talking about a card that will completely blowout even the best player in the world if they didnt get lucky and drew the out. More importantly, there's nothing arrogant about voicing my thoughts/issues with the game I've been covering for over 2 years, it's not my job to pretend I like something I hate and try to play both sides. Even then I still say in the video that I think as a mechanic maxx c makes sense but it's significantly overtuned. (Hence why I think a replacement is in order)
@@masterduelcentral i think there's a fundamental flaw with your understanding of the mechanic, and its funny because you yourself mention it a few times: the game is hyper consistent and it introduces randomness, and unpredictability, it also allows decks to see a lot more cards in general than they do in the TCG, if you didn't feel anxious, if you could feel safe playing, then the game would grow stale, and boring.
also, it is completely possible to draw maxxxc and lose, and to not draw it, and win. but there's a bit more to it, it also makes the game a lot easier to get into for new people (it ensures everyone has at least a few really good cards, and even more, a chance to win), which is something i see english yuitubers complaining about all the time (how hard getting into the game is), in other words it gives people who wouldn't ever experience a win, the possibility of having that experience, which is huge for them, and for the game. and while people can say "git gud", the fact is that the game is expensive and unprenetrable and its good that this exists (it does not in the tcg)
finally the arrogance is over pretending that your opinion is the only correct one and not doing as you want is bad design, it elevates your thoughts from suggestions one might consider, to commands. its okay to think it sucks, its not okay to pretend theres no reasons to not think it sucks, or disagree, o think
finally, i think part of where you are coming from is from the perspective of a content creator that does this for a living, it reminds me about discussions about skill based match making in fps's where content creators complain about things being sweaty, and not easy for them, missing that that's the experience for everyone else, too, if its getting to you maybe you need a break (don't take it the wrong way), but this video came across as if you are getting fed up with the game and wish it was a different game, and for a lot of people, id say most, we like the game, we do not play it for a living, and your perspective comes across as a bit disconnected, especially people coming from the ocg, which frankly i think is in a much better state than the tcg
i think some english yu gi content creators make clickbait and fell for their own hype. if you saw english yugitubers its easy to pretend everyone hates maxxxc but this is absolutely not the case and its funny that people, especially english content creators like acting as if is, then get continuously shocked when reality hits.
@seiryuu3103 Its the vast majority of people I interact with in the scene that hate the card though. Not just content creators. I have a chat complaining about the card constantly so its not just content creators, also interacted w multiple ocg viewers that hate the card. Your point would be fair if I was saying theres no merit to maxx c but like I just said, I think maxx c is overtuned, and I CAN see the value in the mechanic if it wasnt so overtuned, hence why I want to see it replaced with weaker alternatives that serve a similar purpose. As for your point about "presenting my opinion as fact" thats just how I talk. Im not gonna start going "ho hum sorry but for me in my personal opinion" at every point im making while talking to chat, people are smart enough to know what an opinion is.
Also I think your arguments for it are based on the idea of having no replacement. I think thats a pretty huge distinction to make. In the context of ban maxx c with no replacement you can make a lot of good arguments but in the context of banning maxx c and replacing it with a toned down version of it, a lot of the arguments you're providing still apply to a toned down replacement. (Seeing more cards, giving new players a better chance etc.)
@@masterduelcentral dont misunderstand me, im not saying you aren't allowed to have an opinion, what im saying is that you came across as if you are saying people who do not share your opinion don't get to have one, and when you do that, it creates pressure for people to agree, or be ostraziced, or stay quiet.
i feel there is a bit of, or a lot, of an echo chamber in the content creator community., especially in regards to this topic
in fact i wasn't going to post in the first place because when people say "i disagree, I like the ocg,, i have no problem with maxxxc" people tend to get shouted down for it.
i think the ocg approach to things regarding maxxxc is the same as it is in regards to things like consistency hits (which tcg content creators also seem to dislike), the idea is to keep things from being predictable and TOO consistent, while the tcg outright bans entire archetypes/makes sure things are not even playeable at all at regular intervals.
in regards to maxxxc this is expressed as not wishing your perfect hand to ever be a guaranteed win.
But overtime better players will still win, all it does is make so not as good players win sometimes too
NOWAY you really use Salamangreat as example for this sh. You know it is not 2019 anymore right? Maybe you need to find more suitable example for this. That's the point of existence of Maxx "C". Decks that weak against Maxx "C" usually have ability to extend their advantages. So, it is like you gain more advantages, so your opponent too. While decks that can play around Maxx "C", usually they stukc or have limited options.
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Nerf is one of the method. But I think OCG see this as bad movement if they need to balance (ban/limit) more cards as the price for Maxx "C" ban for now. Because OCG creates a lot of decks with Maxx "C" in mind too like decks that can literally gain advantages from it like Trickstar, Dark World, or Flower Cardian. Decks that don't care like Floowandereeze, or new tribute-based decks like Clear World or Primoredial. Or decks that can still have okay setup even under Maxx C like Lab, Evil Eye, and Voiceless Voice. I actually like playing this kind of decks even with or without Maxx "C". English maybe isn't my first language, but I know the meaning of "Multiplayer" or "PvP" is too play with other player, or more than 1 player.
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Calling Mulcharmy Purulia as "fair replacement" is, how I can say, ungrateful combo players? The most problematic things from modern combo is summon from Main and Extra Deck. So, I think Mulcharmy Purulia is just a test the water and never be mean to be Maxx "C" replacement, because Purulia never counter the most problematic things from modern YGO. Konami rarely drop good cards in the first release. Maybe they will ban the C if they release Mulcharmy that can draw if opponent summon from Main and Extra deck.
Fair take
The maximum cockroach is a necessary evil
Give 1 good example why
@@masterduelcentral unchained release OCG and TCG difference because of Maxx C. The deck still did well in OCG but because of Maxx C it wasn’t as dominant as in TCG. And there are many other decks in the same situation as unchained. I do agree that getting an errata on Maxx C would be healthier for the game and make the card more fair, but it certainly does keep a lot of decks in check. And with Konami releasing more and more decks with more and more special summoning it is a necessary evil.