I built my xp machine based on your videos. 775 gigabyte board, e8600, 9800gt & 4gb memory in an old deepcool case. It's the most stable pc I own & plays all the games I love. I took my time getting the parts at the right price ( for the UK ) & it ended up costing £120 with a 2nd hand Corsair PSU. It's never let me down, a time machine. Thanks for your videos
My retro build is based on the skt 939 agp: Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939, 4x1Gb ddr1@400mhz, Athlon64 FX-60 and a Leadtek 6800GT with AC cooler. Last year I finally finished NFS MW on this build after almost 20 years, great time.
I am a huge winXP fan and have built and tested all below PCs: 1. Best possible PC for XP: i7-4790K + Z97 MB + GTX980Ti (require unofficial drivers for gpu and some Z97 motherboards) 2. Best possible fully supported PC for XP: i7-3770K + Z68 MB + GTX780Ti. 3. Best nostalgia and more period correct XP PC: Core 2 Quad 9650 + X38/P35 MB + 9800GTX+ 4. Best low power XP PC: i5-3570 + H61 MB + GTX960 (also very suitable for miniITX builds) I cannot decide which I love most, so I decided to keep all 4 PCs.
I have a similar PC with i5 3570 and 750 Ti. It runs most games at stupidly high framerates on the 1024x768 screen I have attached to it. Some older games like Midtown Madness, Klingon Honor Guard and Alien vs Predator 1 dont work on it though. I have parts to build a high end period correct machine with Qx9650 and 8800 GTS 512, and a lower end machine with Athlon 64 and Radeon 9700 Pro. I have a Win98 machine with Core 2 Duo x6800 and nVidia 4600Ti for games up to 2001 or so.
Nice I got i7 3770 machine for windows xp too 8gb ram 480 ssd i dualboot with windows 10 too so thats why i even got 8gbram total 650ti 1gb 2tb hdd Gigabyte z68xp ud3p mobo Evga 700br psu Optical drive lg sata However in the past ihave used weaker machines for winxp specificly such as : Q9500 core2quad Gts 2501g(ihad 9800gtx at one point) Inteldq45cb 4gbram 1tb hdd and 250 gb ssd Random cheap psu Phenom8400 at 2.1 ghz also athlon64x2 dualcore3800 plus 250gb hdd 9400gt 512mb 3 than 5gb ram So yes i have more or less seen it alll when it omes to winxp But as of now i mosltyenjoy my current machine It runs everything i can trow at it Also im a pc guy that i flipe pcs as a hobby so i know how to assemble and maintaon the computers
I have so many configurations available to me, but I got started with E7200 and 9600GTS. But now I'm working on building a i7 4790k and GTX 970 dual boot XP and Win7 machine. But I still love my G41 board with an E8600 and GTX 950 XP 64bit edition machine.
Just built the almost same setup yesterday :D 4790 non K with Asus 970 Mini OC 4GB. Unfortunately the stock cooler is weak, the cpu idles at 70 degree celsius in BIOS. Just ordering a Noctua to keep it cool
I bought a HP Compaq from 2008. Intel Core duo 2 2,53ghz, 4 GB DDR2, HDD 250gb. I added a GeForce GT 430 OC. Very cheap the PC and graphic cards. Now, I can almost play all the games at 1080p 60fps.
I ran socket 462, 754, 939, and 775 all on XP. These days the 462 builds are on '98, and just 775 builds for XP. An E6600 w/ X1950 XT, and Q6600 w/ GTX 950.
I started building computers in the mid 90s, and I made many of them too, and so far I never gotten rid of any working parts I been using so I don´t have to do anything to go retro, I just keep use the same computers I built back then today and they still work
My Windows XP PC: - Elitegroup Socket 939 Board - Athlon 64 X2 4200+ - Scythe Kabuto - 2GB DDR RAM - ATi X1950 PRO - 500GB HDD Runs good so far. Well, the most demanding Game I play on it is Torchlight.
You got slightly luckier with your 955 than me, the best I could do without cooking the damn thing is 3.85 GHz. I wanted to mess with multi gpu, so I went with two HD4850s in crossfire, plus a Sound Blaster X-Fi for EAX 5.0 support.
@@SneakiestDuke68 Funny thing about that, multiplier overclocking just flat out doesn't work on my ga-990fxa-ud3. I guess they just never got around to fixing that because normal people wouldn't use 990fx with Phenom :D Anyway, I had to go the old school route, by raising the FSB while lowering multipliers for NB, HTT and RAM. I'm surprised it worked as well as it did tbh, in the end I might've actually gotten more performance because I ended up optimizing those other clocks as well.
I have 3 XP systems. System 1 1. Asrock G41C-GS R2.0 for a motherboard It accepts DDR2 800MHz or DDR3 upto 1366 MHz memory. has jumper for faster than 800MHz if I remember correctly. 2. Q9650 3.00GHz CPU Quad core. 3. 4GB Samsung DDR3 @ 1600 downclocked to1333MHz through motherboard 4. HP DVD RW multi drive SATA 5. Startech caedreader 6. Floppy Drive IDE 7. GTX 750 TI GPU 8. 2TB SSD Samsung 970 EVO 500 watt PSU Corsair First XP system that I built just for XP. System 2 1. Asus Sabertooth 990FX 2. 8GB Corsair 1600MHz Vengeance memory because it was on the board 3. FX 8350 4. HP lightscribe DVD RW multi drive 5. 500GB SSD 6. MSI HD 7970 GPU Still bootable, needs work. System 3 Main Main XP System 1. HP/Foxconn Motherboard 2. I7-3770 3.16GB memory for Windows 7 64-bit 4. 1 WD Blue 1TB SSD for Windows XP 1 Samsung 2TB 870 Evo for Windows 7 5. GTX 780 Ti 6. Startech card reader 7. Fractal Define Mini MATX case 8. Corsair 750 watt semi modular PSU 9 USB 3.0 PCIe card for front USB 3 Port My best and most difficult to build system. Drivers were hard to get. I used SDI to take care of that for XP. Windows 7 worked straight away.
What XP games have incompatibilities that you have run into? To get good compatibility with Windows 98 games the last cards you can run are FX-series or GeForce 4-series cards, but both aren't good for XP
I have a pile of socket 478, 775, 754, and 939 machines laying around but it seems like GoG and Steam have versions for sale which run on modern hardware so i have a hard time making the soace for another gaming PC when anything I want to play has already been made to run on newer systems. Especially for what retro hardware goes for these days (my FX-5950 Ultra is worth more than it was new). I love the nostalgia of the older hardware but when an office throwaway Optiplex can run Crysis on the integrated graphics card it's hard to soend good money finding vintage components.
Yes, with 14 years of lifespan WinXP hardware support options are vast and affordable for most wallets. With platforms like Steam games are also available to newer systems. I guess going with older hardware is more of an option than something needed, but still fun. 🤗👽
@@antonhei2443 It's fun and hard to be at the nostalgic feeling of running XP but once I got my XP retro system fired up I tried to think of what I wanted to play....turns out I already had it on Windows 10. I'd like to find a way of taking my Steam games and patching them to be usable offline on computers without Steam (they killed off support for anything older than W10).
@@406Steven Yes, Steam should have at least a Lite retro compatible version. Maybe in the Vogons forum might be a solution to run it in offline mode, but shouldn't be necessary in the first place after paying for a game, it's a bad practice from Steam (security concerns appart). GOG and torrents are the only options besides physical media (the longevity of DVDs is another topic by itself 😢).
@@antonhei2443 I hope my old DVDs still work but yeah, GoG is amazing with the ability to just buy something, toss it in a flash drive, and copy it over to the other machine. I've got a Win98 machine and did this to load it up with games and it worked really well
Yes, Steam and especially GoG have A LOT of classic games, unfortunately there are still many games that don't have a digital release. Having an XP system is not mandatory, but it's nice to have it :)
Yes! Please make a more detailed vid diving into the specifics. I plan to build a WinXP PC in the near future and I'm particularly confused about the hard drives. Some say find an old PATA Hard Drive, but some say it'll be better to buy a cheap 2.5" SATA SSD then just configure it to MBR via another PC's Disk Manager, but few also say this method hasn't worked for them at all. It'll be a big help man with you explaining a few things.
SSDs are dirt cheap. Might have to supply sata drivers at time of os install. Saying that, all my old machines just run standard 80gb ide drives which I'm happy with so you certainly don't need an ssd. Build, enjoy 👍
I used to run the same motherboard with my Q6600. Back when chipset/VRM cooling was done right, none of this aluminum brick nonsense with no surface area you get today.
great Video:) I think it depends what games you like. If you like neweg games like 2006-2010 then i would recommend a Retro PC System with intel Q6600 and Geforce 8800GT 9800GT. If you like more games from 2004-2005 (2006)then a Pentium 4 3,6 GHZ or ATlon 64 3700+ or similar is enough paired with a Geforce 6600 Gt or Radeon X800 (GT) this card aren't that expencive especially a 6600 GT is easy to get. Of course you can get a Core 2Duo E6600 or similar. Like Midnight Geek said this CPU are the cheapest you can get:) and they have more power then Pentium 4 or Athlon 64 CPU's. AOf course you can build a system with COre2Duo and Geforce 9800 GT but this CPU will bottneck some newer games... so this is the reason why i would recommend Q6600. If you have a Core 2Duo with Geforce 7600GT or 8600GT/ GTS or Radeon X1800XT then a Core 2 Duo is perfect! For 2002-2004 Games i would choose Pentium 4 2,6 GHZ HT or 2,8/ 3GHz even! With a Radeon 9600Pro/ XT you will get great performance for the games in 2002-2004 and with this CPU its perfect. Or geforce 4TI 4200. But now this card isnÄt very cheap you have to pay mostly 20-30€ i have bought a Radeon 9600 Pro for 17€ and radeon 9600XT for 19€ not that expensive but with shipping costs it was 47€! becasue from 2 differend Salesperson. But Radeon 9700 Pro or 9800 Pro are much more expensive.... of cours eit bring smuch more performance and they are pretty rare but its too expensive I think... I can recommend also a Radeon 9600 TX its a RAdeon 9500 pro and perform better than 9600 Pro! It was a Card from MSI for MEdion Computers and there ar emany of them and costs around 20€ similar like 9600 Pro and XT but its a bit faster. This card has 8 Pixel Shaders! The Performance is similar like Geforce 6600 Retro Gaming from 2000-2002 there are many options. I have a Retro PC P4 1,7 GHZ 512 MB DDR Ram. 80 GB HDD, Geforce 2 MX-400 64 MB SDR is the Retro card for this system i could recommend too its very cheap to get and there are many of them or Geforce 2 MX. Of course Geforce 2 GTS(Pro would be perfect for the CPU but its expensive to get, you need really luck... you can also put a Geforce 3 Ti 200 on this system but its also expensive to get... So my recommandation is Geforce 2 MX or Geforce MX-400. A PC with Pentium 3 Tualatin 1,3 GHZ will be enough too for such a card like this. My first PC has Pentium 3 667 MHZ and 128 MB SDR and Nvidia Riva TNT 2 Pro 32 MB it wasn't a bad card that day but after 2 years it was slowly but you can play tony Hawks Pro Skater 3 or GTA Vice City and GTA 3. But no T & L support... and this card is expensive so i would recommend a Geforce 2 MX/ MX400 card at this system too and you can use T&L:) and its cheap to get.
Nice comment, I would recommend to follow this :D I had some issues with AMD duron/athlon x2 CPUs - animation was like very slow but sometimes it went faster, then slow again. Some good drivers were helpfull but pentium/core2duo are better options
I find the UGreen DVI to HDMI adapter useful for converting from DVI to HDMI at the graphics card end. However, you can also use a second one of the same adapter to convert from HDMI back to DVI for a monitor with a DVI port. This allows you to use a much wider variety of quality HDMI cables with your DVI monitor and video card than using a simple DVI cable connection, where the choices available for such cables is more limited, and the cable itself is significantly more cumbersome. My two XP Pro SP3 32-bit machines (why have just one when two (or more) can really do it for you, especially with a good KVM with audio, such as a Belkin for both machines to use the same peripherals): AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+, ECS nForce3-A939 MB, 2GB (2x1GB) Kingston HyperX DDR 400 memory, 256MB GDDR3 XFX 6600GT AGP, SB0090 Audigy PCI. (Likes late 98se games that also likes XP as well, such as MS Flight Simulator 2002). Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650, Gigabyte EP35-DS3R MB, 8GB (4x2GB) G.Skill DDR2 1000 memory, 2GB GDDR5 EVGA 750 Ti SC PCI-e, SB0090 Audigy PCI. (Likes mid-late XP games, as well as early-mid 7 games when dual booting with 8.1 64-bit with Classic Shell Start Menu. Doesn't like MS Flight Simulator 2002 though, just 2004 onwards).
It's hard to find people with the same way of thinking as me. If want to go back to the old games of 2000s, they often want to build a ultimate performance like the Core i7 2600, which is overkill for Windows XP games. But that was the era of Pentium 4, Pentium D and the ultimate Core 2 duo cpu . Pentium 4 was really not too good to run AAA games back then, Pentium D was too hot, and Core 2 duo/Dual Core is truly the perfect choice for XP games. Why do you want a core i7 4770 to run XP games? What I want is not just to return to play old games but to re-experience the emotions running them on old hardware that we used to have again. That's the unique thing.
Personally, I have a GDM-F520 CRT display which can get refresh rates above 200hz on lower resolutions. Having a CPU can consistently supply draw calls that fast is great. C2D can get you there, but my i7-860 is another jump above that and works with Windows XP just fine. I'm sure a high-end period correct GPU could get you the framerates needed to drive that, but my GTX960 runs a lot quieter and cooler! I run an X-Fi Titanium for sound though, to get that sweet EAX compatibility. I think period-correct is much more important during Win9x era hardware, where you have all these different APIs for graphics and sound, and even more so in DOS games that would otherwise run too quick
I found old and cheap MSI AM3+ 760GM-P23 board that does support max 95W TDP processor so i bought a used FX-6300(20$). MSI provides drivers for Windows XP 64. Found that VRM was not handling the CPU, so i added old AMD CPU PWM fan on top of the VRM mosfets and solved temp throttling. Undervolted the CPU to 1.15V and it runs cool on 3.8Ghz. 2X4Gbyte DDR3 1600MT/s sticks. Used 2 x Seagate Momentus 7200 RPM 16Mbyte cache 250GB laptop HDD in RAID0 with MSI provided RAID drivers included in Win xp64 ISO with nLite and Rufus tools. IGP worked from first restart, but still not playable in Far Cry. Had a no cost laying around Gigabyte X1300 Pro 256Mbytes (1 pipe silent cooler) overclocked to GPU660Mhz and VRAM500Mhz with a homemade fan mount from old HDD cooling fan housing. Far Cry is playable @40 FPS. Planning on using a Quadro K620 2Gbytes card with modded drivers(if it works). 17 inch HP 1280X1024 75Hz LCD panel. I love this build since it bring back so many memories of good time. The RAID0 really improves the loading times. Planning to add 1 or 2 more HDDs to RAID 0.
Dude, those Orange DDR2 800Mhz Geil RAM are legendary, at one point it was the best at prize/value in the market, good quality, runs cool, great timings... BTW I used Windows XP 64 Bits for years upon years, 4Gb of ram are recognized and I do not remember it being unstable (more than usual windows XD), although it might be useless because little software had 64 bits versions at the time. A dual core, triple or quad core are good choices 775, AM2 or AM2+ (maybe AM3 too), but remember on that "era" nothing was coded to use more than 1 core, so a dual core with more Mhz could be better than quad core with slower cores (at least that was/is my logical believe, maybe a quad core a 1.8Ghz beats a dual core at 2.3Ghz), fortunately there should be a lot of old archived benchmarks to find "your perfect" CPU and GPU... I think that more than raw power the hardware of a XP machine (or any other old OS) for games should be dictated by what games you will actually play on it and actually should make it easier to choose what hardware to get. BTW 2 it's a XP machine, so no antivirus or extra software will be required because no one in his sound mind would connect this thing to internet and browse around, the PC should stay pretty fast, 0 unnecessary or bloatware.
@@MidnightGeek99 sure i have everthing from a 933MHz Pentium iii w/ 512MB ram and Radeon 9200 SE to a C2Q 9650, 4GB ddr3, and gtx 560 ti. With a few p4s and C2Ds between all with decent gaming gpus for xp retro gaming. Had plans for a retro lan, but never materialized. Yet. ;) maybe someday. My main retro rig actually runs Win10, and its my baby. A fully restored and upgraded Red Dell XPS 630i. Has a MSI z97 gaming 5 mobo, i7 4790k, 16GB of very fast pc2400 ddr3, 500GB m.2 sata ssd and currently a gtx 960, i have a 980 i could throw in but it doesnt match the black/red/white theme.
@@mclarenf1gtr99 lol haven't built or bought anything in a couple years, mainly because I promised myself I would keep eveything in my office, and if I bought anymore the clutter would be too much, its already questionable lol
If I would build a XP PC, I would choose an Wolfdale Core 2 Duo (45nm lithography), 4GB RAM DDR3 and an SSD. There's no reason to use HDD anymore. For graphics card, the oldest card that can run your game at 60+ fps with highest resolution and details is the better, since it will support older drivers. You can use an GTX 980TI, but the older games will suffer com compatibility issues and the newer games will be better runing on Windows Vista or 7.
I think a beutiful monitor like this would trigger nostalgic memory .....I hate monitors there days they have become so stretched like a ribbon that is not enjoyable anymore and cinematic scenes like like a ribbon strip.....
Very Nice setup & thank you for your video, just subbed for the amount of info & very entertaining video. A lot of people aswell if Intel isn't as easy too find but that weird middle ground of AM2 - AM3+ You can use these as Win XP Machines aswell. People forget for a while both Intel & AMD were both swapping place for top dog before the stagnation period after Intel took the Lead in the 14NM+++++++++++ times. I honestly would take either 775 or AMD board from that time, I have both a AM3 Desktop that I have ready to go at a moments notice with a ATi/AMD GPU & about 10 GPUs I have on standby both NVIDIA & ATI/AMD if I need too swap one out. Hell even a garage sale a couple of years ago I scored an Acer Laptop that was top of the line parts but for the Windows Vista Era. AMD Athlon 64 CPU But NVIDIA GPU works perfect for so many games from DOS - Win XP (I run 32 Bit for ease of getting things too run.)
My retro build is a socket 775 board, Q8300 CPU, 4GB DDR2 800, 120GB SSD, GT 710 1GB, Windows 7 x64 & XP, it runs every game released before 2012 like a beast.
Yeah, there are a lot of people that use low-end video cards from newer generations, for XP gaming, and I think that it's great, those low-end cards are easy to find, cheap, silent...a real bargain. I should do a similar system and test it.
Thank you for the great video! I'd love to see an in depth review of the Ultimate Windows XP machine with an Nvidia 980ti or Quadro(with mod drivers). I'm curious at how well it handles XP gaming (are there crashes or artifacts?). Thanks again for the great videos. I loved Windows XP.
I built my retro xp pc in 2024 , just 5 months ago . xeon x3430 2.4G LGA 1156 4 cores 4 threads . ASUS P7P55 WS Supercomputer ATX motherboard , 4 sticks of 4G 1333M/T DDR3 . R5 250 2G GDDR3 GPU, DVD RW drive , 1TB hard disk , 120G SSD . 520W fanless PSU . Coolermaster tower case and USB 3.0 PCIE add on card with 2 ports in the back and one connector for the front USB 3.0 port in the case .
My personal XP machine is a core2quad q9500, Radeon HD5850, 4GB RAM, Sound Blaster Audigy, and a BFG PhysX card for good measure all in a micro ATX case.
Hi Geek! Great content as always! I've chosen a e8500 and a 9600 gt for my xp build, and I'm playing with a crt 17 ibm..which games require a crt? For example gothic need a crt because otherwise text is too small. Keep it up!
Some of my favorite pairings that I own are an HP SFF with C2Q 6600 / GT730, DELL SFF C2D with e8400 and R7 250, C2Q Q9550 / GTX285, i5 2500K / GTX770, 3770K / R9 280... and for the early time; Athlon XP 3000+, nForce2 and 6600GT AGP
I would have liked to see more demanding games from the end of the Windows XP era, such as FEAR, Oblivion, and Crysis, especially since the hardware you're using and recommending was released well into the Vista era. I am also interested to see another video where you explain those component choices in more detail, such as why you suggest LGA 775 motherboards with Intel chipsets and core 2 duo processors instead of socket 939 boards with nforce chipsets and Athlon 64 X2 processors, or even AM2 motherboards.
From my personal experience a fast core 2 Duo (like e8500) will work very well with XP (a quad might be a better choice if you also plan to use Windows 7), add 4 gigs of RAM (at least 8 for W7), an Nvidia 780 and you're set.
Got 2004 Laptop with 1x1.6GHz CPU and ATI Mobility 9700 64MB, 1GB RAM. Every game I tested (up to 2006) ran ok, though it won't be super smooth or at max graphics. NFS Carbon was hardest one, ran at 800x600 Lowest settings at 30fps. That said I think a Pentium 4 2.5GHz, 2GB RAM and GT220 is a really cheap way to get into that era of gaming.
My XP machine is a socket FM1 mini ITX config with AMD 3820 4 core APU with an integrated Radeon 6550 It can run Win10 also, but mine is dual boot with XP and Linux Mint. Still OK for light browsing and YT.
I'd have my Xeon E5450 in a build if I hadn't had my Asus P5Q Deluxe fail (chipset issues), because it paired well with my GTX 650ti (which I actually initially bought due to my screen at the time only having VGA). Wolfdale/Harpertown C2D/C2Q CPU are noticeably faster than Conroe/Yorkfield C2D/C2Q while running far cooler. Now though I switch between either my: Athlon XP 3000+ (400FSB) and 6600GT, and my Athlon XP 1800+ (Palomio) and FireGL X1 256-P. Realistically anything that doesn't run on the FireGL either runs on my main PC or is old enough that its better under Windows 98.
i5 2500k + GTX 750 Ti is the best balanced choice, not only super cheap and able to run every xp games, but also capable to run older aaa titles up to 2018 and some e sports like league of legands (possibly even CS2) and can runs windows 11 very smoothy
Mine’s Intel desktop board DH67BL, Core i7-2600, 16GB RAM, SSD, and GTX 960 4GB. It’s way overkill on its XP installation, but the computer moonlights as a Linux machine with Vulkan support.
Depending on the classic game in question, I’ll oftentimes limit to one or two threads locked at 1600MHz. Keeps my video card from coil whining when the FPS is going well above 300. Also, use a frame limiter if it’s running too fast! Can be done either with RivaTuner or a utility like CPUGrab to hog an arbitrary percentage of CPU.
I have similar, albeit slightly worse - i5 2500K, 16 GB, SSD and GTX 550Ti. And of course P8H67, the same chipset as you :) "Rock solid and heart touching", haha
1:24 P43 is also fine chipset, it was just feature-poorer revision of P45. P965 is also good option, older but still great, works perfectly fine even with Quads. Avoid 945 and older!
Have a C2X and a nice 775MB. I'll probably be using a 560Ti 448. Last generation with hardware support for PhysX. I have several old LCD panels, but I'll probably use my HP 1680x1050 panel because it has built in speakers. It is more than enough to play Crysis, even though I won't be using it to play Crysis.
LGA 775 is the GOAT, although I like to use the so called Ferrari to buy bread, an i7-3770k. I get it you don't have that limited RGB issue with NVIDIA cards on XP, that's sometimes a pain, the washed out looks are terrible, but there are workarounds.
For me XP is A64 era. Asus A8N-SLI + Opteron 185 + 2* 1GB DDR400 2-3-2-5 + 2x Quadro FX 4500 or my Dell Precision M90 - Intel Mobiel Core 2 Duo T7600 + Quadro FX 3500M! 💪
socket 775. You can literally find boards for this in dumpsters and any core 2 duo will do. Just disable one of the cores for compatibility in msconfig.
That GeIL value RAM is legendary stuff - was very good for its price! Had a few PC3200 value ram sticks by geil plus some good bh5 ram which was geil one w pc4000 stuff and it could run 2-2-2-5 timings at 260MHz or 275MHz at 2.5-2-2-5 or similar on a lanparty ultra d 939 mobo 🎉
My prospective XP system is a Dimension 8200, upgraded from 2GHz to 2.8GHz (junkbox find CPU and fortunately the version 2 motherboard that supports 533FSB) and a junk bundle Radeon 9800 Pro... only 1GB of RDRAM though
I had way better luck with AMD/ATI for WinXP compared to nVidia. The artifacting you got with the 9800 looks the same as what I get trying to run a lot of games with a GTX 670. I tried the oldest and newest drivers as well as a few in between and they are all basically useless for WinXP aside from more modern games. Using a Radeon HD 5870 is basically perfect for WinXP in my machine - no artifacting in any game and even video playback is smoother and the performance is quite good.
@@MidnightGeek99 I think it's mostly nostalgia..many cd games play also. I think it is nostalgia for the hardware and the software. Making a 98se machine makes in general more sense now days(but yet again there is nglide and dgvoodo). But above all i think of myself that memories can't be replicated and experienced the way it used to be. You know last night i managed to play Future COP in my windows 10 whereas i can't play it windows 98se. LOL
Windows xp holds special plcae to me too which is evident by my always tirst for more peeformance overtime I got currently i7 3770 machine for windows xp 8gb ram 480 ssd i dualboot with windows 10 too so thats why i even got 8gbram total 650ti 1gb 2tb hdd Gigabyte z68xp ud3p mobo Evga 700br psu Optical drive lg sata However in the past ihave used weaker machines for winxp specificly such as : Q9500 core2quad Gts 2501g(ihad 9800gtx at one point) Inteldq45cb 4gbram 1tb hdd and 250 gb ssd Random cheap psu Phenom8400 at 2.1 ghz also athlon64x2 dualcore3800 plus 250gb hdd 9400gt 512mb 3 than 5gb ram So yes i have more or less seen it alll when it omes to winxp But as of now i mosltyenjoy my current machine It runs everything i can trow at it Also im a pc guy that i flipe pcs as a hobby so i know how to assemble and maintaon the computers
It's great that there are a lot of people who make use of older components. I love Ivy bridge systems because you can dual boot XP and 7 or 10, and it works wonders! Do you have any incompatibility issues with any games?
@@MidnightGeek99 it works fine and it performs like a beast in most games if not all of them i use some sort of cistom windows xp iso i forgot where i downloaded it from its been a while but basicly it has pre intergrated sata drivers (its winxp32 bit) maybe its windows xp integral edition but not sure) also i put good cooler on that i7 and i run it at 4ghz (higmatek windpower 964 4heatpipe tower cooler) it runs (in windows xp gaming at like 60 degrees max ) at those 4ghz -i didnt touch the voltage at all just clock speed-i am noob when it comes to oc but in general im good with computers and i always i use msi afterburner to monitor temperatures and stuff like that and the recent spu upgrade was just you know .....good -if i decide to add better gpu i certanly can and allows for more sata devices too
I *NEVER* played a more scary game than the😨😮😱 1999 "Aliens Vs Predator" (04:05). Couldn't remain in the game for more than half an hour ,almost at the edge of a heart attack 🤪each time...
I think my windows XP is overkill. AMD fx 6350 16GB of ddr3 ram and a r7 370 2GB with some compatibility driver. it can also function as a spare modern os pc too.
To be honest the parts you recommend and used are barely fine. They could be fine for beginners covering 2006-2010 platform. To cover well 2000-2005 you need different hardware otherwise glitches and un-working will be common.
@@lucasremIt's ok but there is some issues with the Nvidia driver. Maybe I put a 9800 GT with a driver from 2008 for Windows XP (game's 1998-2008) Windows 7 64b works fine for direct X 10 game's.
Good luck finding drivers for XP. But yeh, would rather build some kind of Windows XP+Windows 7 machine instead of just for one OS, specially for DX11 games. Of course all depends on hardware you have.
@@mclarenf1gtr99 i am actually doing a test on making a game portable i just found a program named evalaze, i actually don't know what it will do because its currently building the data layout but if this works i will be able to run the program in any file directory i wish i was looking up some details on this software and it sounds like you can run old 9x programs on modern OS with this process, after i have the current program done i will be trying an old dos program to see if it can run natively in a 64x environment
@@mclarenf1gtr99 you can use dgvoodoo to upscale any games and also find this ("Windows Error 0xc000007b H&H Tutoriais") rar file to fix 0xc000007b errors
That's absoluety not true. There is nothing cheaper and better than i5-2500K+H61 MB combo on AMD's side. AM2 & AM3 are pure shaite compared to Intel from the same era.
@@ares23dcAM3 sure, but AM2 is C2Q era, where AMD was doing quite well with the Phenom II. That's about the limit of realistic hardware for XP anyway. You can go crazy if you like of course, but people usually arent building old PCs to get the best performance possible.
@@vojtechadame5860 Not quite. I used to own AMD K6, Duron, AthlonXP, Athlon64 before I went Intel way. AMD was just shaite compared to Intel after the launch of Core 2 DUO/QUAD
@@vojtechadame5860 I do hate to burst your bubble, but I built PCs for more than 25+ years. AMD was not always Ryzen. Intel dominated from the launch of Core 2 DUO/QUAD, up until AMD launched of Ryzen 3000 series. Phenom II were great, but way too expensive, so no point, and Ryzen 1000&2000 were not really up to speed with Intel yet. I used to be a hardcore AMD fan, used to own K6, AthlonXP, Athlon64 and Phenom I
Love your sense of humor. Made me smile plenty times while watching your Videos.😄🙌🏽 Also nice detailed knowledge of a great time period of video games and great Hardware components! You got my Abo for sure Sir 🫡🆗🆒
I built my xp machine based on your videos. 775 gigabyte board, e8600, 9800gt & 4gb memory in an old deepcool case. It's the most stable pc I own & plays all the games I love. I took my time getting the parts at the right price ( for the UK ) & it ended up costing £120 with a 2nd hand Corsair PSU. It's never let me down, a time machine. Thanks for your videos
For what games you needed it ?
My retro build is based on the skt 939 agp: Gigabyte GA-K8NSC-939, 4x1Gb ddr1@400mhz, Athlon64 FX-60 and a Leadtek 6800GT with AC cooler. Last year I finally finished NFS MW on this build after almost 20 years, great time.
I am a huge winXP fan and have built and tested all below PCs:
1. Best possible PC for XP: i7-4790K + Z97 MB + GTX980Ti (require unofficial drivers for gpu and some Z97 motherboards)
2. Best possible fully supported PC for XP: i7-3770K + Z68 MB + GTX780Ti.
3. Best nostalgia and more period correct XP PC: Core 2 Quad 9650 + X38/P35 MB + 9800GTX+
4. Best low power XP PC: i5-3570 + H61 MB + GTX960 (also very suitable for miniITX builds)
I cannot decide which I love most, so I decided to keep all 4 PCs.
I have a similar PC with i5 3570 and 750 Ti. It runs most games at stupidly high framerates on the 1024x768 screen I have attached to it. Some older games like Midtown Madness, Klingon Honor Guard and Alien vs Predator 1 dont work on it though. I have parts to build a high end period correct machine with Qx9650 and 8800 GTS 512, and a lower end machine with Athlon 64 and Radeon 9700 Pro. I have a Win98 machine with Core 2 Duo x6800 and nVidia 4600Ti for games up to 2001 or so.
Nice
I got i7 3770 machine for windows xp too
8gb ram
480 ssd i dualboot with windows 10 too so thats why i even got 8gbram total
650ti 1gb
2tb hdd
Gigabyte z68xp ud3p mobo
Evga 700br psu
Optical drive lg sata
However in the past ihave used weaker machines for winxp specificly such as :
Q9500 core2quad
Gts 2501g(ihad 9800gtx at one point)
Inteldq45cb
4gbram 1tb hdd and 250 gb ssd
Random cheap psu
Phenom8400 at 2.1 ghz also athlon64x2 dualcore3800 plus
250gb hdd
9400gt 512mb
3 than 5gb ram
So yes i have more or less seen it alll when it omes to winxp
But as of now i mosltyenjoy my current machine
It runs everything i can trow at it
Also im a pc guy that i flipe pcs as a hobby so i know how to assemble and maintaon the computers
Drivers are pretty official. Same as for 960 and below. Just few added lines in .inf file.
@@RudolfSikorsky i am getting a 960 2gb gigabyte single fan edition....for winpx gaming in few days i hope it works (winxp32bit integral edition)
@@energygameplay6513 It should work just fine. Last drivers for XP were actually pretty good. Crazy to think that 900 series is still supported.
Windows XP ... AND bad jokes? You have truly given me a treat.
I have so many configurations available to me, but I got started with E7200 and 9600GTS. But now I'm working on building a i7 4790k and GTX 970 dual boot XP and Win7 machine.
But I still love my G41 board with an E8600 and GTX 950 XP 64bit edition machine.
Just built the almost same setup yesterday :D 4790 non K with Asus 970 Mini OC 4GB. Unfortunately the stock cooler is weak, the cpu idles at 70 degree celsius in BIOS. Just ordering a Noctua to keep it cool
I bought a HP Compaq from 2008. Intel Core duo 2 2,53ghz, 4 GB DDR2, HDD 250gb.
I added a GeForce GT 430 OC.
Very cheap the PC and graphic cards.
Now, I can almost play all the games at 1080p 60fps.
I ran socket 462, 754, 939, and 775 all on XP. These days the 462 builds are on '98, and just 775 builds for XP. An E6600 w/ X1950 XT, and Q6600 w/ GTX 950.
I started building computers in the mid 90s, and I made many of them too, and so far I never gotten rid of any working parts I been using so I don´t have to do anything to go retro, I just keep use the same computers I built back then today and they still work
My Windows XP PC:
- Elitegroup Socket 939 Board
- Athlon 64 X2 4200+
- Scythe Kabuto
- 2GB DDR RAM
- ATi X1950 PRO
- 500GB HDD
Runs good so far. Well, the most demanding Game I play on it is Torchlight.
I love all your videos and this one is the cherry on the top when it comes to XP and retro games enthusiasts.
10x :) I will do another video, more comprehensive.
My XP/7 PC is built on Asus M3N-HT Deluxe, AMD Phenom X4 955 O.C 3.9 Ghz, 8GB ram DDR2 1066, GTX 470 and Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium.
You got slightly luckier with your 955 than me, the best I could do without cooking the damn thing is 3.85 GHz. I wanted to mess with multi gpu, so I went with two HD4850s in crossfire, plus a Sound Blaster X-Fi for EAX 5.0 support.
@@ozzyp97 I forgot to write, also i have X-Fi Titanium :D What's about CPU, I just increased multiplier and voltage to 1.42.
@@SneakiestDuke68 Funny thing about that, multiplier overclocking just flat out doesn't work on my ga-990fxa-ud3. I guess they just never got around to fixing that because normal people wouldn't use 990fx with Phenom :D
Anyway, I had to go the old school route, by raising the FSB while lowering multipliers for NB, HTT and RAM. I'm surprised it worked as well as it did tbh, in the end I might've actually gotten more performance because I ended up optimizing those other clocks as well.
I have 3 XP systems.
System 1
1. Asrock G41C-GS R2.0 for a motherboard
It accepts DDR2 800MHz or DDR3 upto 1366 MHz memory. has jumper for faster than 800MHz if I remember correctly.
2. Q9650 3.00GHz CPU Quad core.
3. 4GB Samsung DDR3 @ 1600 downclocked to1333MHz through motherboard
4. HP DVD RW multi drive SATA
5. Startech caedreader
6. Floppy Drive IDE
7. GTX 750 TI GPU
8. 2TB SSD Samsung 970 EVO
500 watt PSU Corsair
First XP system that I built just for XP.
System 2
1. Asus Sabertooth 990FX
2. 8GB Corsair 1600MHz Vengeance memory because it was on the board
3. FX 8350
4. HP lightscribe DVD RW multi drive
5. 500GB SSD
6. MSI HD 7970 GPU
Still bootable, needs work.
System 3 Main Main XP System
1. HP/Foxconn Motherboard
2. I7-3770
3.16GB memory for Windows 7 64-bit
4. 1 WD Blue 1TB SSD for Windows XP 1 Samsung 2TB 870 Evo for Windows 7
5. GTX 780 Ti
6. Startech card reader
7. Fractal Define Mini MATX case
8. Corsair 750 watt semi modular PSU
9 USB 3.0 PCIe card for front USB 3 Port
My best and most difficult to build system. Drivers were hard to get. I used SDI to take care of that for XP. Windows 7 worked straight away.
Excellent video. A late XP era GPU will run more games (at the expense of some compatibility issues with older games).
What XP games have incompatibilities that you have run into? To get good compatibility with Windows 98 games the last cards you can run are FX-series or GeForce 4-series cards, but both aren't good for XP
Very nice video some of the best games back then...
I used XP for 10 years
Best operating system of all time.
Windows 10 was 2nd best in my opinion..
I have a pile of socket 478, 775, 754, and 939 machines laying around but it seems like GoG and Steam have versions for sale which run on modern hardware so i have a hard time making the soace for another gaming PC when anything I want to play has already been made to run on newer systems. Especially for what retro hardware goes for these days (my FX-5950 Ultra is worth more than it was new). I love the nostalgia of the older hardware but when an office throwaway Optiplex can run Crysis on the integrated graphics card it's hard to soend good money finding vintage components.
Yes, with 14 years of lifespan WinXP hardware support options are vast and affordable for most wallets. With platforms like Steam games are also available to newer systems. I guess going with older hardware is more of an option than something needed, but still fun. 🤗👽
@@antonhei2443 It's fun and hard to be at the nostalgic feeling of running XP but once I got my XP retro system fired up I tried to think of what I wanted to play....turns out I already had it on Windows 10. I'd like to find a way of taking my Steam games and patching them to be usable offline on computers without Steam (they killed off support for anything older than W10).
@@406Steven Yes, Steam should have at least a Lite retro compatible version. Maybe in the Vogons forum might be a solution to run it in offline mode, but shouldn't be necessary in the first place after paying for a game, it's a bad practice from Steam (security concerns appart). GOG and torrents are the only options besides physical media (the longevity of DVDs is another topic by itself 😢).
@@antonhei2443 I hope my old DVDs still work but yeah, GoG is amazing with the ability to just buy something, toss it in a flash drive, and copy it over to the other machine. I've got a Win98 machine and did this to load it up with games and it worked really well
Yes, Steam and especially GoG have A LOT of classic games, unfortunately there are still many games that don't have a digital release.
Having an XP system is not mandatory, but it's nice to have it :)
Yes! Please make a more detailed vid diving into the specifics. I plan to build a WinXP PC in the near future and I'm particularly confused about the hard drives. Some say find an old PATA Hard Drive, but some say it'll be better to buy a cheap 2.5" SATA SSD then just configure it to MBR via another PC's Disk Manager, but few also say this method hasn't worked for them at all. It'll be a big help man with you explaining a few things.
SSDs are dirt cheap. Might have to supply sata drivers at time of os install. Saying that, all my old machines just run standard 80gb ide drives which I'm happy with so you certainly don't need an ssd. Build, enjoy 👍
I used to run the same motherboard with my Q6600. Back when chipset/VRM cooling was done right, none of this aluminum brick nonsense with no surface area you get today.
great Video:)
I think it depends what games you like. If you like neweg games like 2006-2010 then i would recommend a Retro PC System with intel Q6600 and Geforce 8800GT 9800GT.
If you like more games from 2004-2005 (2006)then a Pentium 4 3,6 GHZ or ATlon 64 3700+ or similar is enough paired with a Geforce 6600 Gt or Radeon X800 (GT) this card aren't that expencive especially a 6600 GT is easy to get. Of course you can get a Core 2Duo E6600 or similar. Like Midnight Geek said this CPU are the cheapest you can get:) and they have more power then Pentium 4 or Athlon 64 CPU's.
AOf course you can build a system with COre2Duo and Geforce 9800 GT but this CPU will bottneck some newer games... so this is the reason why i would recommend Q6600.
If you have a Core 2Duo with Geforce 7600GT or 8600GT/ GTS or Radeon X1800XT then a Core 2 Duo is perfect!
For 2002-2004 Games i would choose Pentium 4 2,6 GHZ HT or 2,8/ 3GHz even!
With a Radeon 9600Pro/ XT you will get great performance for the games in 2002-2004 and with this CPU its perfect. Or geforce 4TI 4200. But now this card isnÄt very cheap you have to pay mostly 20-30€
i have bought a Radeon 9600 Pro for 17€ and radeon 9600XT for 19€ not that expensive but with shipping costs it was 47€! becasue from 2 differend Salesperson.
But Radeon 9700 Pro or 9800 Pro are much more expensive.... of cours eit bring smuch more performance and they are pretty rare but its too expensive I think...
I can recommend also a Radeon 9600 TX its a RAdeon 9500 pro and perform better than 9600 Pro! It was a Card from MSI for MEdion Computers and there ar emany of them and costs around 20€ similar like 9600 Pro and XT but its a bit faster. This card has 8 Pixel Shaders! The Performance is similar like Geforce 6600
Retro Gaming from 2000-2002 there are many options. I have a Retro PC P4 1,7 GHZ 512 MB DDR Ram.
80 GB HDD, Geforce 2 MX-400 64 MB SDR is the Retro card for this system i could recommend too its very cheap to get and there are many of them or Geforce 2 MX.
Of course Geforce 2 GTS(Pro would be perfect for the CPU but its expensive to get, you need really luck...
you can also put a Geforce 3 Ti 200 on this system but its also expensive to get... So my recommandation is Geforce 2 MX or Geforce MX-400. A PC with Pentium 3 Tualatin 1,3 GHZ will be enough too for such a card like this.
My first PC has Pentium 3 667 MHZ and 128 MB SDR and Nvidia Riva TNT 2 Pro 32 MB it wasn't a bad card that day but after 2 years it was slowly but you can play tony Hawks Pro Skater 3 or GTA Vice City and GTA 3. But no T & L support... and this card is expensive so i would recommend a Geforce 2 MX/ MX400 card at this system too and you can use T&L:) and its cheap to get.
Nice comment, I would recommend to follow this :D I had some issues with AMD duron/athlon x2 CPUs - animation was like very slow but sometimes it went faster, then slow again. Some good drivers were helpfull but pentium/core2duo are better options
I find the UGreen DVI to HDMI adapter useful for converting from DVI to HDMI at the graphics card end. However, you can also use a second one of the same adapter to convert from HDMI back to DVI for a monitor with a DVI port. This allows you to use a much wider variety of quality HDMI cables with your DVI monitor and video card than using a simple DVI cable connection, where the choices available for such cables is more limited, and the cable itself is significantly more cumbersome.
My two XP Pro SP3 32-bit machines (why have just one when two (or more) can really do it for you, especially with a good KVM with audio, such as a Belkin for both machines to use the same peripherals):
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+, ECS nForce3-A939 MB, 2GB (2x1GB) Kingston HyperX DDR 400 memory, 256MB GDDR3 XFX 6600GT AGP, SB0090 Audigy PCI.
(Likes late 98se games that also likes XP as well, such as MS Flight Simulator 2002).
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9650, Gigabyte EP35-DS3R MB, 8GB (4x2GB) G.Skill DDR2 1000 memory, 2GB GDDR5 EVGA 750 Ti SC PCI-e, SB0090 Audigy PCI.
(Likes mid-late XP games, as well as early-mid 7 games when dual booting with 8.1 64-bit with Classic Shell Start Menu. Doesn't like MS Flight Simulator 2002 though, just 2004 onwards).
It's hard to find people with the same way of thinking as me. If want to go back to the old games of 2000s, they often want to build a ultimate performance like the Core i7 2600, which is overkill for Windows XP games. But that was the era of Pentium 4, Pentium D and the ultimate Core 2 duo cpu . Pentium 4 was really not too good to run AAA games back then, Pentium D was too hot, and Core 2 duo/Dual Core is truly the perfect choice for XP games. Why do you want a core i7 4770 to run XP games? What I want is not just to return to play old games but to re-experience the emotions running them on old hardware that we used to have again. That's the unique thing.
Personally, I have a GDM-F520 CRT display which can get refresh rates above 200hz on lower resolutions. Having a CPU can consistently supply draw calls that fast is great. C2D can get you there, but my i7-860 is another jump above that and works with Windows XP just fine. I'm sure a high-end period correct GPU could get you the framerates needed to drive that, but my GTX960 runs a lot quieter and cooler! I run an X-Fi Titanium for sound though, to get that sweet EAX compatibility. I think period-correct is much more important during Win9x era hardware, where you have all these different APIs for graphics and sound, and even more so in DOS games that would otherwise run too quick
@@hugevibeztrue! To each his own!
The big question here is... but can it run Crysis?? 😂
On XP the question was actually: '...but can it run FarCry?' FarCry was a beast and kneeled high-end PCs even 5-6 years later, after its launch.
I found old and cheap MSI AM3+ 760GM-P23 board that does support max 95W TDP processor so i bought a used FX-6300(20$). MSI provides drivers for Windows XP 64. Found that VRM was not handling the CPU, so i added old AMD CPU PWM fan on top of the VRM mosfets and solved temp throttling. Undervolted the CPU to 1.15V and it runs cool on 3.8Ghz. 2X4Gbyte DDR3 1600MT/s sticks. Used 2 x Seagate Momentus 7200 RPM 16Mbyte cache 250GB laptop HDD in RAID0 with MSI provided RAID drivers included in Win xp64 ISO with nLite and Rufus tools. IGP worked from first restart, but still not playable in Far Cry. Had a no cost laying around Gigabyte X1300 Pro 256Mbytes (1 pipe silent cooler) overclocked to GPU660Mhz and VRAM500Mhz with a homemade fan mount from old HDD cooling fan housing. Far Cry is playable @40 FPS. Planning on using a Quadro K620 2Gbytes card with modded drivers(if it works). 17 inch HP 1280X1024 75Hz LCD panel. I love this build since it bring back so many memories of good time. The RAID0 really improves the loading times. Planning to add 1 or 2 more HDDs to RAID 0.
Dude, those Orange DDR2 800Mhz Geil RAM are legendary, at one point it was the best at prize/value in the market, good quality, runs cool, great timings...
BTW I used Windows XP 64 Bits for years upon years, 4Gb of ram are recognized and I do not remember it being unstable (more than usual windows XD), although it might be useless because little software had 64 bits versions at the time.
A dual core, triple or quad core are good choices 775, AM2 or AM2+ (maybe AM3 too), but remember on that "era" nothing was coded to use more than 1 core, so a dual core with more Mhz could be better than quad core with slower cores (at least that was/is my logical believe, maybe a quad core a 1.8Ghz beats a dual core at 2.3Ghz), fortunately there should be a lot of old archived benchmarks to find "your perfect" CPU and GPU...
I think that more than raw power the hardware of a XP machine (or any other old OS) for games should be dictated by what games you will actually play on it and actually should make it easier to choose what hardware to get.
BTW 2 it's a XP machine, so no antivirus or extra software will be required because no one in his sound mind would connect this thing to internet and browse around, the PC should stay pretty fast, 0 unnecessary or bloatware.
yeppp definitely unhealthy desire, just built my 7th XP machine xD
:)))
Care to give us some specs?
@@MidnightGeek99 sure i have everthing from a 933MHz Pentium iii w/ 512MB ram and Radeon 9200 SE to a C2Q 9650, 4GB ddr3, and gtx 560 ti. With a few p4s and C2Ds between all with decent gaming gpus for xp retro gaming.
Had plans for a retro lan, but never materialized. Yet. ;) maybe someday.
My main retro rig actually runs Win10, and its my baby. A fully restored and upgraded Red Dell XPS 630i. Has a MSI z97 gaming 5 mobo, i7 4790k, 16GB of very fast pc2400 ddr3, 500GB m.2 sata ssd and currently a gtx 960, i have a 980 i could throw in but it doesnt match the black/red/white theme.
geez mate, control yourself.
@@mclarenf1gtr99 lol haven't built or bought anything in a couple years, mainly because I promised myself I would keep eveything in my office, and if I bought anymore the clutter would be too much, its already questionable lol
If I would build a XP PC, I would choose an Wolfdale Core 2 Duo (45nm lithography), 4GB RAM DDR3 and an SSD. There's no reason to use HDD anymore. For graphics card, the oldest card that can run your game at 60+ fps with highest resolution and details is the better, since it will support older drivers. You can use an GTX 980TI, but the older games will suffer com compatibility issues and the newer games will be better runing on Windows Vista or 7.
I think a beutiful monitor like this would trigger nostalgic memory .....I hate monitors there days they have become so stretched like a ribbon that is not enjoyable anymore and cinematic scenes like like a ribbon strip.....
Very Nice setup & thank you for your video, just subbed for the amount of info & very entertaining video. A lot of people aswell if Intel isn't as easy too find but that weird middle ground of AM2 - AM3+ You can use these as Win XP Machines aswell. People forget for a while both Intel & AMD were both swapping place for top dog before the stagnation period after Intel took the Lead in the 14NM+++++++++++ times. I honestly would take either 775 or AMD board from that time, I have both a AM3 Desktop that I have ready to go at a moments notice with a ATi/AMD GPU & about 10 GPUs I have on standby both NVIDIA & ATI/AMD if I need too swap one out. Hell even a garage sale a couple of years ago I scored an Acer Laptop that was top of the line parts but for the Windows Vista Era. AMD Athlon 64 CPU But NVIDIA GPU works perfect for so many games from DOS - Win XP (I run 32 Bit for ease of getting things too run.)
My retro build is a socket 775 board, Q8300 CPU, 4GB DDR2 800, 120GB SSD, GT 710 1GB, Windows 7 x64 & XP, it runs every game released before 2012 like a beast.
Yeah, there are a lot of people that use low-end video cards from newer generations, for XP gaming, and I think that it's great, those low-end cards are easy to find, cheap, silent...a real bargain.
I should do a similar system and test it.
Thank you for the great video! I'd love to see an in depth review of the Ultimate Windows XP machine with an Nvidia 980ti or Quadro(with mod drivers). I'm curious at how well it handles XP gaming (are there crashes or artifacts?). Thanks again for the great videos. I loved Windows XP.
Yeah, it seems that the popular opinion is for another, bigger video, 10x
I built my retro xp pc in 2024 , just 5 months ago . xeon x3430 2.4G LGA 1156 4 cores 4 threads . ASUS P7P55 WS Supercomputer ATX motherboard , 4 sticks of 4G 1333M/T DDR3 . R5 250 2G GDDR3 GPU, DVD RW drive , 1TB hard disk , 120G SSD . 520W fanless PSU . Coolermaster tower case and USB 3.0 PCIE add on card with 2 ports in the back and one connector for the front USB 3.0 port in the case .
You can probably run Dungeon Siege at 60fps if you disable dynamic character shadows. That feature even makes most modern systems drop below 60.
My personal XP machine is a core2quad q9500, Radeon HD5850, 4GB RAM, Sound Blaster Audigy, and a BFG PhysX card for good measure all in a micro ATX case.
Hi Geek! Great content as always! I've chosen a e8500 and a 9600 gt for my xp build, and I'm playing with a crt 17 ibm..which games require a crt? For example gothic need a crt because otherwise text is too small. Keep it up!
Some of my favorite pairings that I own are an HP SFF with C2Q 6600 / GT730, DELL SFF C2D with e8400 and R7 250, C2Q Q9550 / GTX285, i5 2500K / GTX770, 3770K / R9 280... and for the early time; Athlon XP 3000+, nForce2 and 6600GT AGP
I would have liked to see more demanding games from the end of the Windows XP era, such as FEAR, Oblivion, and Crysis, especially since the hardware you're using and recommending was released well into the Vista era. I am also interested to see another video where you explain those component choices in more detail, such as why you suggest LGA 775 motherboards with Intel chipsets and core 2 duo processors instead of socket 939 boards with nforce chipsets and Athlon 64 X2 processors, or even AM2 motherboards.
I will do another video, 30+ minutes, and explain everything in detail, because the topic is quite extensive!
Me personally, never was a fan of putting anything newer than a Core 2 Duo on XP
From my personal experience a fast core 2 Duo (like e8500) will work very well with XP (a quad might be a better choice if you also plan to use Windows 7), add 4 gigs of RAM (at least 8 for W7), an Nvidia 780 and you're set.
Got 2004 Laptop with 1x1.6GHz CPU and ATI Mobility 9700 64MB, 1GB RAM. Every game I tested (up to 2006) ran ok, though it won't be super smooth or at max graphics. NFS Carbon was hardest one, ran at 800x600 Lowest settings at 30fps. That said I think a Pentium 4 2.5GHz, 2GB RAM and GT220 is a really cheap way to get into that era of gaming.
yes please do advanced video
My XP machine is a socket FM1 mini ITX config with AMD 3820 4 core APU with an integrated Radeon 6550 It can run Win10 also, but mine is dual boot with XP and Linux Mint. Still OK for light browsing and YT.
I'd have my Xeon E5450 in a build if I hadn't had my Asus P5Q Deluxe fail (chipset issues), because it paired well with my GTX 650ti (which I actually initially bought due to my screen at the time only having VGA). Wolfdale/Harpertown C2D/C2Q CPU are noticeably faster than Conroe/Yorkfield C2D/C2Q while running far cooler.
Now though I switch between either my: Athlon XP 3000+ (400FSB) and 6600GT, and my Athlon XP 1800+ (Palomio) and FireGL X1 256-P. Realistically anything that doesn't run on the FireGL either runs on my main PC or is old enough that its better under Windows 98.
i5 2500k + GTX 750 Ti is the best balanced choice, not only super cheap and able to run every xp games, but also capable to run older aaa titles up to 2018 and some e sports like league of legands (possibly even CS2) and can runs windows 11 very smoothy
Yes, it is a very good combo if you also want a modern os
Mine’s Intel desktop board DH67BL, Core i7-2600, 16GB RAM, SSD, and GTX 960 4GB. It’s way overkill on its XP installation, but the computer moonlights as a Linux machine with Vulkan support.
Depending on the classic game in question, I’ll oftentimes limit to one or two threads locked at 1600MHz. Keeps my video card from coil whining when the FPS is going well above 300. Also, use a frame limiter if it’s running too fast! Can be done either with RivaTuner or a utility like CPUGrab to hog an arbitrary percentage of CPU.
I have similar, albeit slightly worse - i5 2500K, 16 GB, SSD and GTX 550Ti. And of course P8H67, the same chipset as you :) "Rock solid and heart touching", haha
1:24 P43 is also fine chipset, it was just feature-poorer revision of P45. P965 is also good option, older but still great, works perfectly fine even with Quads. Avoid 945 and older!
Yeah, there are other chipsets for Core2, I've chosen higher-end chipsets for realiability purposes, because those tend to have better components.
Dude what driver you use for the Nvidia card?
Have a C2X and a nice 775MB. I'll probably be using a 560Ti 448. Last generation with hardware support for PhysX. I have several old LCD panels, but I'll probably use my HP 1680x1050 panel because it has built in speakers. It is more than enough to play Crysis, even though I won't be using it to play Crysis.
I also have a system with the 560 Ti, it's a very good card.
I use the rare combo of a 754 athlon 64 3700+, agp hd4670, and 2gb of ddr 500, great for xp gaming
Oh, so a well made system, comprised of rare and weird parts...sure :)
Play Oblivion next time please !!!! Best game ever, released in 2006
Yeah, I did test oblivion in the past, but lately it has been ignored :D
Hello, good configuration - in terms of performance and price.
Yes, it's well balanced :)
LGA 775 is the GOAT, although I like to use the so called Ferrari to buy bread, an i7-3770k. I get it you don't have that limited RGB issue with NVIDIA cards on XP, that's sometimes a pain, the washed out looks are terrible, but there are workarounds.
For me XP is A64 era. Asus A8N-SLI + Opteron 185 + 2* 1GB DDR400 2-3-2-5 + 2x Quadro FX 4500 or my Dell Precision M90 - Intel Mobiel Core 2 Duo T7600 + Quadro FX 3500M! 💪
You are right, the fastest period correct CPUs are the Athlon64s.
@@MidnightGeek99 Of course you can consider the Core 2 Duo, but they are a total different animal (poor A64s).
socket 775. You can literally find boards for this in dumpsters and any core 2 duo will do. Just disable one of the cores for compatibility in msconfig.
That GeIL value RAM is legendary stuff - was very good for its price!
Had a few PC3200 value ram sticks by geil plus some good bh5 ram which was geil one w pc4000 stuff and it could run 2-2-2-5 timings at 260MHz or 275MHz at 2.5-2-2-5 or similar on a lanparty ultra d 939 mobo 🎉
Some nice looking ram modules, yes. Also, with that dfi of yours I bet it looked awesome.
@ I recall the value ram having orange heat spreaders whilst the one w had silver. I think the one w with the winbond bh5 was quite rare stuff.
My prospective XP system is a Dimension 8200, upgraded from 2GHz to 2.8GHz (junkbox find CPU and fortunately the version 2 motherboard that supports 533FSB) and a junk bundle Radeon 9800 Pro... only 1GB of RDRAM though
For me its must be a AGP system so i have the fastest C2D E8600, 2GBDDRII 667MHz on AsRock 775Dual SATA2 with Radeon HD3850
I had way better luck with AMD/ATI for WinXP compared to nVidia. The artifacting you got with the 9800 looks the same as what I get trying to run a lot of games with a GTX 670. I tried the oldest and newest drivers as well as a few in between and they are all basically useless for WinXP aside from more modern games. Using a Radeon HD 5870 is basically perfect for WinXP in my machine - no artifacting in any game and even video playback is smoother and the performance is quite good.
at the end is not for playing games but rather building the pc. Because gog can run in new machines with 10.
Yeah, that's partially true, because there are also retail games, on CD. Also, nostalgia :)
@@MidnightGeek99 I think it's mostly nostalgia..many cd games play also. I think it is nostalgia for the hardware and the software. Making a 98se machine makes in general more sense now days(but yet again there is nglide and dgvoodo). But above all i think of myself that memories can't be replicated and experienced the way it used to be. You know last night i managed to play Future COP in my windows 10 whereas i can't play it windows 98se. LOL
Windows xp holds special plcae to me too which is evident by my always tirst for more peeformance overtime
I got currently i7 3770 machine for windows xp
8gb ram
480 ssd i dualboot with windows 10 too so thats why i even got 8gbram total
650ti 1gb
2tb hdd
Gigabyte z68xp ud3p mobo
Evga 700br psu
Optical drive lg sata
However in the past ihave used weaker machines for winxp specificly such as :
Q9500 core2quad
Gts 2501g(ihad 9800gtx at one point)
Inteldq45cb
4gbram 1tb hdd and 250 gb ssd
Random cheap psu
Phenom8400 at 2.1 ghz also athlon64x2 dualcore3800 plus
250gb hdd
9400gt 512mb
3 than 5gb ram
So yes i have more or less seen it alll when it omes to winxp
But as of now i mosltyenjoy my current machine
It runs everything i can trow at it
Also im a pc guy that i flipe pcs as a hobby so i know how to assemble and maintaon the computers
It's great that there are a lot of people who make use of older components. I love Ivy bridge systems because you can dual boot XP and 7 or 10, and it works wonders!
Do you have any incompatibility issues with any games?
@@MidnightGeek99 it works fine and it performs like a beast in most games if not all of them
i use some sort of cistom windows xp iso i forgot where i downloaded it from its been a while but basicly it has pre intergrated sata drivers (its winxp32 bit) maybe its windows xp integral edition but not sure)
also i put good cooler on that i7 and i run it at 4ghz (higmatek windpower 964 4heatpipe tower cooler) it runs (in windows xp gaming at like 60 degrees max ) at those 4ghz -i didnt touch the voltage at all just clock speed-i am noob when it comes to oc but in general im good with computers and i always i use msi afterburner to monitor temperatures and stuff like that
and the recent spu upgrade was just you know .....good -if i decide to add better gpu i certanly can and allows for more sata devices too
if you got more questions about specificly 3th gen intel and winxp compatability just ask
I *NEVER* played a more scary game than the😨😮😱 1999 "Aliens Vs Predator" (04:05).
Couldn't remain in the game for more than half an hour ,almost at the edge of a heart attack 🤪each time...
I was also afraid of AvP 2, especially with the marine, inside the infested goo stufd
I think my windows XP is overkill.
AMD fx 6350
16GB of ddr3 ram
and a r7 370 2GB with some compatibility driver.
it can also function as a spare modern os pc too.
To be honest the parts you recommend and used are barely fine. They could be fine for beginners covering 2006-2010 platform. To cover well 2000-2005 you need different hardware otherwise glitches and un-working will be common.
Well, the video is for beginners :) it should do 2000 - 2007 quite fine.
I built a lga775 qx9650, and a gtx 580
great, toasty combo.
U need a CRT monitor for these games !
For some of them, yes :)
I7 3770, GT 640 1gb GDDR3, 8 GB DDR3, 256 GB SSD dor XP and 512 GB SSD for windows 7
how you do gameport ?
@@lucasremIt's ok but there is some issues with the Nvidia driver. Maybe I put a 9800 GT with a driver from 2008 for Windows XP (game's 1998-2008) Windows 7 64b works fine for direct X 10 game's.
What happened to your voice, bruh? New mic? 🤔
Yes, I finally got rid of that pesky high-pitched voice :))
wait. i own a pc with i3 4130 and gt 710 with windows xp on it!!!!!
all games after the 9x era runs on modern hardware lol
Good luck finding drivers for XP. But yeh, would rather build some kind of Windows XP+Windows 7 machine instead of just for one OS, specially for DX11 games. Of course all depends on hardware you have.
@@mclarenf1gtr99 i am actually doing a test on making a game portable i just found a program named evalaze, i actually don't know what it will do because its currently building the data layout but if this works i will be able to run the program in any file directory i wish
i was looking up some details on this software and it sounds like you can run old 9x programs on modern OS with this process, after i have the current program done i will be trying an old dos program to see if it can run natively in a 64x environment
@@mclarenf1gtr99 you can use dgvoodoo to upscale any games and also find this ("Windows Error 0xc000007b H&H Tutoriais") rar file to fix 0xc000007b errors
@@mclarenf1gtr99 dgvoodoo does wonders
@@mclarenf1gtr99 lol if i talk about dgvooqoo my comment wont post(d is upside down....)
Athlon XP/Athlon 64,
Athlon XPs are slow for 2003+ games, but a fast A64 is very good, yes.
Why bother with Windows XP at all if Windows 10 is 100% compatible with it and all old games will run without any problems.
Try to play Combat Flight Simulator 3 on Windows 10 for instance.
Not really, there are a lot of games that don't work well on Windows 10.
For my time machine, I chose i5-3570 /ASUS Z77 /4GB DDR3 1600 /SSD 512 /GTX960 /X-Fi Platinum SB880
AM3 or AM2+ is also a great platform. Stable, cheap and powerful.
That's absoluety not true. There is nothing cheaper and better than i5-2500K+H61 MB combo on AMD's side.
AM2 & AM3 are pure shaite compared to Intel from the same era.
@@ares23dc Hard Intel fan lol.
@@ares23dcAM3 sure, but AM2 is C2Q era, where AMD was doing quite well with the Phenom II. That's about the limit of realistic hardware for XP anyway. You can go crazy if you like of course, but people usually arent building old PCs to get the best performance possible.
@@vojtechadame5860 Not quite. I used to own AMD K6, Duron, AthlonXP, Athlon64 before I went Intel way. AMD was just shaite compared to Intel after the launch of Core 2 DUO/QUAD
@@vojtechadame5860 I do hate to burst your bubble, but I built PCs for more than 25+ years. AMD was not always Ryzen.
Intel dominated from the launch of Core 2 DUO/QUAD, up until AMD launched of Ryzen 3000 series.
Phenom II were great, but way too expensive, so no point, and Ryzen 1000&2000 were not really up to speed with Intel yet.
I used to be a hardcore AMD fan, used to own K6, AthlonXP, Athlon64 and Phenom I
Love your sense of humor. Made me smile plenty times while watching your Videos.😄🙌🏽
Also nice detailed knowledge of a great time period of video games and great Hardware components!
You got my Abo for sure Sir 🫡🆗🆒
Thanks a lot, I really appreciate the kind words 😎
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