@@blob5907 True PC enthusiasts are 7 feet tall, which is the perfect height to breathe in all the magic smoke. Which you need to go on a vision quest to learn every facet of janky bodgering.
I think the reason the Matrox GPU helped so much is the single-channel RAM. At 1600 MHz, that system has just 12.8GB/s and it has to share it for both the GPU and CPU. With the dGPU added, the CPU can take up all the 12.8GB/s, so you see an improvement even in non-graphical tasks.
also what about hardware decoding of streams? That could explain why the original APU by itself had so much trouble on UA-cam. Likely there's no hardware acceleration of anything past h.264. Maybe try the tests again with the h264ify plugin?
@@SeeJayPlayGames He's technically right though, VP1 wasn't thought of back in '11 because it still ain't been thought of. Maybe there will be a future VP1 codec, though I doubt it. He is however wrong if he meant VP9, google bought On2 back in 2010 and VP9 is based on that tech, development on the VP9 codec started in 2011 so it was definitely around at least conceptually. It's a bit harder if he meant AV1 though, that codec is heavily based on other codecs including VP9 but the oldest source being cannibalized is Mozzilla's Daala from 2010. I don't know when AV1 development started though, it almost certainly hadn't been thought of by 2011.
There are dozens of Kabini thin clients from Dell and HP that do indeed have the same chip and no fans whatsoever. As budget laptop CPUs on the era they were released they were semi decent.
Since you like anecdotes, I gots one for ya. I used to have an A6-5200 APU desktop as my main system from 2013-2018 which is from the same family as the Athlon 5350. I COULD'VE gotten a system with a i5-2400, but I didn't. Anyone with knowledge of this would see that this APU is meant for laptops. Yes that is true. But AMD decided to make a desktop version of a laptop APU, the cpu soldered on a motherboard, and using laptop power. Yet it still somehow had a PCI-E x16 slot! Imagine my surprise with not even 3 years later I wanted to upgrade that thing and the first question I was asked "what's your power supply" and I answered it doesn't have one. No one believed me. It's a desktop pc with a 65w laptop power brick. On the motherboard the CPU power connector spot is empty. There is no upgrade path at all. But I found one, for the GPU. Complete pc newbie me spent ages trying to find a suitable GPU at least so I can play Dota 2 better with my friends. And I got it. I found a GDDR5 64-bit GT 710. And the desktop performed noticably better... victory was mine, I'm not throwing my PC away yet I bet I can even upgrade to Windows 10 now! For all about a month. Needless to say, discrete graphics AND an ssd upgrade couldn't save that thing. How I wish I've chosen the i5-2400 PC, an SSD upgrade and an upgrade to the i7-2600 would make it still usable today, unlike this thing which, let's be real here, was barely usable even when it debuted. The stuttering when loading programs gave me flashbacks to the Pentium 4 days, and that's a nightmare I don't want remember. When your quad-core CPU performs on par or WORSE than 6 year old Core 2 Duos, you know your platform was terrible. At least it basically doesn't consume any power though... no, not because of how efficient it is, but because you're not going to be able to do anything with it!
If you want to feel better in 2013 when i was 8-9 years old, i was getting my PC.B Being a little brat I picked a prebuild instead of waiting for a custom build and now I truly regret that choice. With my budget I'm not sure if I could get anything better (the tower itself costed 450$ if converting from my currency, more or less). Because of that, I got a measly i3-3320, GT 630 2GB and 4 GB of DDR3 RAM carried by 1th hdd and f-tier rated psu (hasn't exploded for 10 years the pc was in use, somehow!) I doubt I could get much better stuff, but perhaps with more money allocated to the tower instead of peripherals... 8GB of ram was easilly doable, some low end i5 like 3350p perhaps.. and a GTX gpu - nothing crazy, but 650 Ti or even 660... That being said, I still enjoyed my PC - it could easilly play minecraft back in the day, roblox, emulate consoles up to WII/PS2/DS.. but still regret a bit
Yep, have an Acer laptop with an E1-2500 (same generation, but ultra-low end which means even slower), even for the 150€ it cost new it barely crawled through Windows 10. Linux improves it a little bit, but it's still minute-long startups, frequent freezing and barely usable for anything beyond basic web and 480p UA-cam. It's like going from crawling to hobbling around on a crippled leg. Source: had to use it for about a week when my gaming laptop decided to melt it's own charger connector.
Actually, at some point there was a genuine Xbox one APU on AliExpress. It was soldered into the motherboard which had slots for ddr3. They called it RX 350 or something (made up name btw) I don't remember well but it had like ONE driver for windows Even when the drivers didn't make the games unplayable, it was severely underperforming. The CPU despite having 8 cores was performing worse than i3 2100
It should perform worse than a 2100. The only way that could run better is with better driver support and some multithreaded wizardry. Something more likely found on a console.
@@robertt9342 Nah, the cores were utilized well, the integrated graphics suffered from the lack of drivers. I think the guy who's review I watched used a riser to plug in a normal GPU and it still sucked. Jaguar is just simply pathetic
This. I can get plenty of HW bundles with an AM1 board, some junky Athlon or Sempron and some amount of RAM for anything between 10-35eur here in germany, sometimes even with included shipping. I'm honestly surprise there's still that "many" floating around, because at some point like 5 years ago people couldn't even get rid of those bundles *for free* (not an exaggeration, nobody wanted these), so a lot of them were just scrapped. Guess we're way past the lowest point of the inverted bell curve now
i still have my 8350 and 4350 collecting dust, I should really just build 2 really cheap systems and give them to my family. I didnt know much about computers when i got my first personal one with the 4350 so i thought the upgrade to 8350 would be substantial but since i didnt overclock anything the performance difference was marginal at best in most cases, but did get vermintide 1 with a gtx750ti on 720p low settings from ~45 fps with a substantial stutter whenever a horde spawned to a solid ~55fps with only a slight hitch whenever a horde spawned. The performance jump in that game was the only real benefit i saw, but for the price it was horrible :P
@@Zapp3012haha the irony is I own one of the most efficient processors in performance per watt (5950X) and one of the least efficient (8350) from the past 10 years or so
@@goldchris1111I started my journey with a phenom II I inherited from my dad many years ago. I also had an 8350 and 750Ti, unlike yourself I knew full well the 8350 was by no means a stellar performer, more decided due to me not being able to afford any decent i5s or i7s at the time when factoring in platform costs
Used this chip on a low power, always on office and streaming PC for my mother, she enjoyed it on Linux mint very much for 4 years, then I ditched the low power requirement and she got my old 2500k which is still powering that PC no problems in 2024 the am1 cpu became a project mainboard
For the Xbox One and PS4 I believe they only had access to 6 cores for games. The other 2 cores were reserved specifically for the OS only meaning that games never used all 8 cores because they couldn’t. It allowed the console to do stuff in the background without interfering in game performance Also I’ve heard that devs basically have to do a lot of optimizations just to get some of their games working on their CPUs because of how far they were behind Intels CPUs of the era. I wouldn’t even be surprised if early games had issues bottlenecking the GPU in those games because of that. Also I wouldn’t be surprised that the CPU is the main reason why so many games were 30fps on console as the CPU was the main limiting factor not the GPU. Although thankfully performance was far more stable than it was during the 7th generation
@@owenjbrady It does but it’s only an assist. There are still cores to reserve for the system as well. This is also in both the base and Pro models. It also has 256mb of ram dedicated to this arm chip too
When i got the system, it was many years ago. The mobo was new old stock MSi AM1-I for 20€ and the 5350 with an asrock mATX mboo for like 30€, sold the mobo for 20€ so the 5350 was only 10€ in the end. So the system being 30€ years ago was quite the steal. Ran different things on it, from a plex server to a storage server to just being a router. It went through all 3 with no big issues. It wasn't blazing fast performance, but for the price that i was able to get it and the efficiency, it was good. These days, no, you have way better options, especially for the prices. But as i said in the community comment, what AMD was aiming at back then was what i loved, an SOC with the mobo being an expansion slot. They could have kept AM1 alive with better CPUs since it was basically an expansion slot. But since they were already struggling back then, they abandoned the idea. Would love to see something like this revived again with Ryzen, small, cheap 2-4 core SOCs on the new architecture with mobos only being a medium (no chipset on the mobo also = priced way less)
I had a very curious question, why most old hardware are crazy expensive but then there are others that are much cheaper and more powerful?? Is it on terms of rarity? I don’t get it.
It's just supply and demand. Older hardware being discontinued with a bathtub curve failure rate means there is less available, but still has demand from people looking to keep older systems up and running. Higher demand for short supply drives up prices, even if it's underwhelming, middling APUs.
@@seancasey8707 Actually, as with a great many things, a lot of it simply boils down to nostalgia. It's the "My first PC" or the "I lusted after those but never got one" effect. That's when the supply and demand situation kicks in. There may be people who NEED to stick to a particular system all these years later, but they will be few and far between.
Supply and demand. Corporations are dumping Ryzen 2xxx 3xxx and Intel 4th-9th gen. Can pick up for peanuts when they are offloading a truck full. Meanwhile a bottom of the barrel home rig that barely kept up new and is ~10 years older will be more rare by comparison.
I assumed the narrator was like in his 50s or 60 but discovered Ed Sheeren secret identity as a pc builder lol. jokes aside love the channel 😊 and love the work
When it comes to Rimworld on PC, if you want multi-core/multi-thread support you'll want to run these tests with Rimthreaded, a mod you can find on the steam workshop. It adds ""proper"" community-source multicore and multithread support. Speaking as someone with hundreds of hours in the game, it makes a MASSIVE performance difference and is kind of the optifine of Rimworld.
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I am one of those people that bought one when they came out, as I was curious about the CPUs in the Xbox One/PS4 generation consoles (I see you reached the same conclusion, they were awful :D). It now lives as my pfSense router CPU as it runs nice and cool and doesn't use much power.
It might also be worth keeping in mind that console CPUs (well, and available RAM) don't need to deal with the same operating system, which might be taxing those resources a lot more than we realize. Who knows
Consoles also had a few cores resting as the only ever used 4 most of the time so it would have no problem using those for the os, hence smooth operation even in the middle of a busy game
The biggest performance hit is probably the constant context switches in any multitasking operating systems. With system dedicated entirely to gaming, there are probably a lot less processes running in the background and it amost like the user is only running one application.
Consoles also reserve CPU cores for the OS to use too. The Xbox One and PS4 reserve 2 cores for the operating system specifically. I can’t remember how many the PS5 and Series S|X reserve though
this system has nothing to share with the console apus other than the jaguar cores. the consoles have much much higher memory bandwidth than this thrash system, PS4 having like 10 times more than this thing, and the included graphics adapter is much worse than the PS4/Xbox One which have gpus comparable to desktop ones of that time. It's not even close. Also, remember that Jaguar and Bobcat have nothing in common with Piledriver/Bulldozer/Vishera and even late-gen Carrizo chips. They are a mobile oriented arch that does not share its FPU and cache among 2 cores. all cores have their FPU. But they still suck because they are cut down like intel atom cores.
Xbox also uses a stripped down version of windows but it has custom drivers and is probably even more stripped down compared to this de bloated windows
I was somehow able to bring up an athlon 5150 to 2ghz up from 1.6 and that stuff worked. It was paired with the slowest possible GT730. As you can guess, it was a prebuilt system. That overclock was significantly noticeable in world of tanks that i played at the time (best case scenario as that game was highly dependant on single core performance). Game was finally pushing almost 60fps up from mid 40s. Ran that thing for a couple years before i got a system that was like 5 times as fast, based on an i5 4570. Its like i attached arms and legs to my quad amputeed body. I also got an R9 280 for free from a friend too and had a good system going.
I watch this on my e-waste-dumpster dived 2012 27" Imac. Just needed to stick Mint-stick in and voilá! Intel i5-2500S (4) @ 3.700GHz AMD ATI Radeon HD 6770M 32Gb ram / 1tb HDD
Watching from my secondhand daily of 8 years, 2011 Hp Probook 4430s I bought in 2016. It can still keep up with some newer laptops through brute force, but I didn't go about upgrading it for several years of ownership. i7 2630qm 4 core/8 thread @ 2.9ghz 16gb DDR3 Ram Hd 3000 Integrated graphics (the weak point on the computer, no upgrades :( 1Tb SSD with a second 750gb HDD in an adapter caddy replacing the optical drive That sucker got me through high school, college, an EMT course, and years of being beat on running games it was never meant to run, and it still fires right up every day. The casing is scuffed and dented, the keyboard is worn, and it likes to crash if you accidentally zap it with static electricity in a certain spot on the case, but it still runs smooth and fast
One Athlon 5350 is sitting right next to me now. I built home server as a practical school thesis in early 2016. For more than 8 years it was running almost 24/7 with shut down only when upgrading. Price for CPU was 18eur and for motherboard another 24eur new! That PC was running WIN10+FTP+Plex+NextCloud, was used as DLNA and SMB and it ran well with PCIe RAID controller, system SSD, 1TB 2.5" SATA and 2x 10TB 3.5" SATA in RAID. Replaced it last week for N100 motherboard with 32GB DDR5 RAM and my old motherboard will go for next jurney soon and hope it will be running fine for next couple of years.
Considering, the I5-4690k was from about the same time, granted it was more expensive back then, the difference is still quite a lot. (I was using one til 2023.)
good video. windows 10 is largely the main reason for the horrendous performance on systems such as this. any of those older quad cores and below, that technically are capable of running 10 or 11, and did a bit better when 10 first launched, find themselves now just crippled by it even under more simple circumstances. the only way to really solve it is by adding a ssd, or going to windows 7, in which case performance totally irons right out again.
yup, they're currently testing the waters with that and it's absolute cancer. twitch is currently testing the same thing basically in parallel to YT and it's even worse over there
Love how the replies to this (including mine) have been censored out of existance by youtubes automated AI moderation garbage. It only shows "1 reply" despite there being 3 yesterday night, and trying to expand that one supposedly remaining one leads to... nothing popping up
@@Knaeckebrotsaege I tried saying something previously, but nope, apparently mentioning anything is too offensive for this incompetent company. That Terms of Service that UA-cam is using as an excuse means NOTHING to any government, because no one has agreed to them.
i think it mainly comes down to optimization on the console side of things. When you launch a game on the console the entire hardware focuses on the game, theres no windows services, indexing, background apps, updates, no nothing. Take the x360 for example, youre talking 2005 mid-high end hardware, running a 2014 far cry 4 game, about the same as a 2010ish high end pc.
0:50 oh wow, we used to have that exact computer on the left! So much nostalgia! Sadly it's gone. If you turned it on, the light below the power button was green!
The Orbis and Durango had 8 cores (clocked at 1.6ghz and 1.75ghz respectively), but initially Sony and Microsoft limited developers to only six cores (one core was for the OS obviously). Mid to Late 2014, Microsoft opened up "half a core" on the 7th of the Durango that was normally reserved for the Kinect. This was also done as Microsoft was doing everything thing they possibly could to help close the performance gap between the Durango and the Orbis. Eventually Microsoft enabled the full 7th core, as did Sony for the Orbis later on. Though I might be wrong on parts of this. Hopefully someone else can clarify.
Currently rocking one of these as a PC to stream to for my partner so we can both game on my machine with VMs. Being a mini ITX PC it's small but has enough IO for a media PC and after slapping in a GTX 660 and running it on a wired connection it works well for streaming at 1080p. The main PC is rocking a 10700k and GTX 980ti (was a 3070 but I had to sell, honestly though I play 1080p so see barely any difference). If you ever want to do a video on running multiple games on a single GPU I'm quite well versed now I've done it a few times haha. I'd personally recommend something with a tad more power and more upto date networking for streaming but it does the trick haha. Didn't realise these were worth so much though that's crazy I remember spending £34 or so max for this CPU and about the same on the motherboard back in late 2015, early 2016.
Every so often, whenever I need some low-power PC for something I remember "oh hey, what about AM1?" and then end up completely flabbergasted at the prices. These CPUs were bad back at the day. AM1 was already dying on release, and even a jump to FM3 (I think was the current APU socket) wasn't that much extra for significantly more power. How these parts are holding their value despite server side being flooded by cheap Xeons and the consumer side also having now 7th and 8th along with Ry2K being affordable, I'll never be able to tell.
even Ryzen 3000 has become very affordable. Recently built an ultra-budget gaming PC for a friend of mine still stuck on a failing (not POSTing all the time) 4th gen i5 with a RX460, and was able to grab a R5 3600 for a whopping 40eur. The MSI B450M Pro-VDH MAX board was about the same, and a 16GB GSkill Aegis DDR4-3200 kit with Samsung chips was just 20eur, so I bought two kits for 32GB total cause why the heck not? lol. GPU wise I went for a used Zotac 3060 12GB for 180eur cause after my own driver horror show with an RX 6800, I didn't want them to deal with that as well. Add a used 1TB Toshiba/Kioxia TLC NVMe to the mix for 45eur and you end up with about 345eur total for a still very respectable system, considering what that amount would get you brand new (ie nothing worth using)
The new Celeron J and N chips match or beat this out, are cheap as chips, and sip power at an astonishing 5-10w. But surprisingly this thing actually only run at 25w! Gotta say, this performance out of a 25w apu from 10 years ago... I mean it's not good.. but it's... Better than I expected.
If you want a gem for the One X, try RDR2. It's sadly capped at 30fps no matter the resolution, but on the other hand the damn thing is powerful enough to run this game at *native* 4k30, no upscaling or any of that nonsense needed
Great video! I think this cpu is not better, than the GX-415GA soc in my Fujitsu Futro S920 build. :S I bet my earlier main cpu, Athlon II X4 640 is a lot better. :D Anyway, it was nice to see a comparsion between this and the X One. P.S.: Nice psu! I have a standard (not M) CX430 sitting next to me on the desk. :D
Rimworld has a multithreaded mod called "Rimthreaded" or something along those lines. Rocketman is usually my go to but for some of these processors it might do the trick
we bought those in bulk back then to put together PoS pc's running win7. very cheap and easy to assemble (i was the one assembling them) and did the task at hand with ease. they were about our only cheap option with a serial port, we really needed a serial port keep the thermal printers we were using, usb serial adapters didn't always worked. we were switching them for usb thermal printers, but we couldn't just switch everything at once. when i got fired, i took a processor and motherboard with me and still have them on a drawer somewhere. i've been thinking about using them for an emulation box for a long time, but laziness keeps winning.
Yes the videos and the creativity are in full force what a treat!- i would like to make a request i know that doesnt mean u will but i would love to see what my first gpu is up to now the hd radeoon 6670 lol
Mentioned that months ago with no response, and when he talks about the community he means YT community polls, ie the things hardly anyone sees and votes for. Don't get your hopes up
Funny story. I was able to run GTAV at 60 FPS with a Phenom II 1090T Black Edition 32GB DDR3 and a R9 270X 2GB GDDR5. I was able to avoid the Bulldozer FX series with that CPU because it was a beast and kept on truckin'.
Since you've already did a video on that FirePro W5000 aka. "the Xbox One's GPU", it would be interesting to see the how performance of a PC close in specs to the Xbox One compares to said console in games...
At 2:25 did you use a photogrammetry method to get the 3d model of the processor or made a cuboid shape in blender and apply textures? i'm genuinely curious
I used one with a gt 630 as a media center pc for my mom for like $200 back in 2014 it basically was used for Netflix until stuff like a firestick came out. I got a itx case with a 250w sfx psu for $50, the gt 630 for $40, cpu motherboard combo $100 and luckily I had a spare 16gbs of ram which did cost about $50 at time of purchase, we did use a samsung sata 3 ssd. I remember playing GTA V on it but I don't remember it being that bad way back in the day, I remember my testing using being on windows 7, 16gbs of ram, sata 3 ssd and an AMD 7970 gpu to hopefully insure only cpu bottlenecks as a friend of mine was building a pc and wanted to know if that cpu was any good for gaming and GTA V was likely the hardest game they would be playing at the time. Not saying it was a good experience but it was better than a lot of what I saw at least for singleplayer never been a fan of online, likely a lot of rockstar bloat and spaghetti code added over the years.
When these were new, I bought a brand new motherboard and the 5350 cpu for a total of $55 Cdn. I ended up building a small pc with it and eventually gave it away to a neighbor. The current pricing makes no sense.
These were a great idea for the time, kind of like a PC Pi and did exactly as designed as in was cheap enough to get what was at the time, a modern PC for the basics. Made for a pretty decent HTPC as well. I got the exact same mobo and CPU with 8GB back in the day and had a lot of fun tinkering with it next to my main gaming PC, then I passed it on to my mother for her home office stuff and it lasted her for a good few years. Its a shame they never carried on with it as yes it was low performance, but it was really good for the price and a great introduction to affordable PC building.
I thought xbox one was 1080p 30 not 720p with textures missing in GTA V, I don't remember texture streaming issues playing GTA:O on the PS4 but the last time I played it was probably 2015/16
nice video ^^ i remember using an athlon x4 860k many moons ago and being happy that i was finally on a desktop instead of using a laptop as a desktop lol
There are (or were) desktop replacement/gaming laptops, some of which even shipped with desktop processors. But you lose a lot of expansion capability in order to fit the hardware into a limited space, they aren't terribly useful on the go due to the power drain, and boy do they get hot!
@@jnharton they sure do, but i would definitely have had a better experience with one of those than the many low-end laptops i was stuck with before my first desktop hehe
I do not know about the Xbox one version but I recently played on the ps4 and single player and online do not look like this you can with a full lobby and explosions all over the map but not just driving around like this
To be a little bit fair with the 5350, almost all games at that time were designed to run on four cores, if not two. We only started to see six or more cores utilization sometime after 2018 or so, when Ray Tracing was starting to take off thanks to NVidia's push towards it. I'm not saying the 5350 was a beast of a CPU, just that developers usually optimized their games for four cores at that time.
the jokes that it even took it a while to notice the cooler was gone..but when it did its like hey gime that back 😂 back in there day they were an ok buy if you just wanted a pc for everyday basic use and not to break the bank. a friend had am1 back in the day and was pretty happy with it. then switched to an fm2. both did there job but defo long lost there somewhat prime days
Funny. I have an AM1-system and I love it. It has its specific purpose, though. It has got passive cooling and is paired with a passively cooled nVidia Geforce 720 with GDDR memory and low voltage memory. The storage is a Seagate 1Tb laptop hybrid. It runs Windows XP and I use it mainly for old games and several programs that aren't compatible with later versions of Windows. Uses very little power, makes no noise, absolutely silent. Perfect successor to my old early 2000's Athlon XP, that had only one core and ran at two-thirds the clock speed. The comparison to the XBox one is not fair, IMHO. The XBox had double the cores and of course, much bigger databus. The real comparison would be the Intel Atom chips. And the performance was roughly on Pentium IV levels.
Thats a clean sr1000 in the background, I still use this case even has the same xp and athlon stickers, sort of a sleeper now it was our family pc years ago.
I installed Bazzite OS on my AM3+ FX 8350 pile driver rig paired with 32GB of 1600mhz RAM + RX 580 8GB. I have to say, I'm extremely impressed with just how well everything functions there. Im done with Windows forever.
I still have one of those! Used it for years before going Ryzen. They released the 5370 a year after launch, few people upgraded to it. Did not realize the value went up so much.
Reminds me of my system when my 4710HQ overheats and the speed drops to under 800Mhz. Every time it happens it makes me feel like unplugging everything, grabbing it and smashing it. Then I remember I can't afford anything else and I just continue lol. The only positive thing, mine does it only when it overheats every few minutes and it is not always like that. I am trying to remember how the CPU I see in this video compares to the last AMD CPU I ever bought, the Athlon 64 X2. I mean experience wise. Of course that was 2005 so...yeah. What did I have with it? Ah yes the X1800 XT. Good times. Very fun video, thank you for sharing!
If your machine overheats every couple of minutes, you should really find out how to get in there, remove the cooler, remove the fan, clean out all the accumulated fluff in the heatsink and fan, repaste and reassemble. (Invest in some liquid metal paste if you feel adventurous enough, but read up on how to work with the stuff.) I would almost be surprised if a 10-year-old consumer (presumably gaming) laptop _didn't_ come with a clogged heatsink and rock-hard thermal paste, assuming it has never seen any service. These things tend to get beat on and generally have coolers with a very high fin density to squeeze maximum performance out of them when new, which makes them very prone to clogging, and there is some terrible thermal paste out there. BTW, you may want to check your local(ish) e-waste places and the like. In some parts of the world, 8th-gen Intel systems are already hitting recycling. 6th gen is definitely old hat, I've seen someone do a Skylake build using only free components and it wasn't bad at all (6700K and such).
@@PileOfEmptyTapes Hi. Thanks for your reply. I am well aware of what I need to do to maintain the over heating laptop. The problem is there is a stripped screw in the middle of the case which makes it impossible to open it. I have tried all the tricks, other than using a drill. I don't have a drill and even if I had one, I wouldn't use it as the screw is very small and recessed deep inside and it would mean damaging the case if not any of the electronics inside. Using brute force also wouldn't work for obvious reasons. As this is the only working "modern" PC I own, I can't afford to damage it further. A half working laptop is better than a non working. The one positive thing, I am currently trying to find some replacement parts for another laptop I have, from the same period and if I do manage to get the correct parts (will find out if they ever arrive from China), then I should have another working "modern" laptop and thus be able to afford to take a risk with the overheating laptop and how to open it. I have been searching for the parts for 6 years now and I think I finally got lucky finding them. Time will tell. We don't have local "waste places" or shops and the like, like you have in the USA (I am guessing you are American). So unfortunately 99% of shopping for computer parts has to be done online. Thanks for the suggestions. Happy gaming.
I’m curious have you attempted running rim world with dxvk patches? It’s basically treating the game like it’s using proton on Linux or the steam deck. Most dx9 games benefit greatly from translating to Vulkan. When applied to dx11 it’s up in the air. dxvk usually works well on poorly optimized or poorly threaded situations.
The closest thing to AMD Jaguar for PS4/One was the FX-8150 or 8100. Those CPUs were based on Bulldozer architecture while Jaguar was based on Bobcat (shorter pipeline and smaller space of the cpu die) but Bulldozer were just Bobcat CPUs with more features that weren't needed on a console/laptop.
That is apalling perfomance in Rimworld, I bought an FX 6300 from CEX in 2014 for £35 and it played rimworld at 60FPS until i bred loads of chickens. I later realised it was slightly slower than my Phenom 2 965 that fit in the same board, so I sold it at a profit on ebay for £40 and reinstalled the Phenom 2.
I used the slightly better athlon 5350 cpu for more than 5 years (got it in 2015) and its funny seeing these prices. This is the most disgusting processor I know of. Even back in 2015 this cpu was such a piece of sht that it barely got the job done back then. These cpus are literal e-waste.
You must have a broken Xbone, I never experienced textures not loading in and pop in on my xbone. Xbox One performance on GTA 5 is pretty consistent. Consoles will always be better optimised than PC's of the same price range. This is the only reason consoles are still viable, price and performance.
Hey! Console gamer here. I have gta5 on 360… it loads slowly but performs way better than this supposed xbone analog. I don’t own it on xbone but it being that janky and not being able to have multiple tabs on just browsing is not right. I could have multiple tabs on windows xp era hardware. Are you sure it’s working correctly?
Intel made some very weird CPUs over the years, especially when it comes to the supposedly "low power" stuff. Another freak would be the Celeron 847, a 1.1GHz 17W dualcore based on sandy bridge. It comfortably beats the early Atoms up to something like a D2700, but then again, what doesn't? lmao
@@Knaeckebrotsaege I bet if Intel had a wafer with 99% defects, they'd still cut that into a processor somehow... lol Intel Barelyworkium i1 100 @ 0.1 Ghz (1.1 ghz Turdbo!)
I have a mini pc with a similar cpu. Back in the days I installed sea of thieves on it and played it on my old CRT TV, managed something about 10-15fps and absolutely no idea what I was doing because of the poor resolution. Fun.
My man boots a PC sitting on a cardboard box on top of an old PC using a lighter. A true PC fiddler, as I like to call true PC enthusiasts.
You love to see it!
thats a usb stick not a lighter
you like to tall?
You like to tall people? What.
@@blob5907 True PC enthusiasts are 7 feet tall, which is the perfect height to breathe in all the magic smoke. Which you need to go on a vision quest to learn every facet of janky bodgering.
80 bucks for terrible performance and the worst platform that AMD released since the 90's makes absolutely no sense
90s? Which one was it?
Bargain
@@fungo6631the K5 maybe?
Dam
@@fungo6631AMD was pretty meh up until the first Athlon CPUs.
They where affordable though that's why I've been team green since the K6-2 days
I think the reason the Matrox GPU helped so much is the single-channel RAM. At 1600 MHz, that system has just 12.8GB/s and it has to share it for both the GPU and CPU. With the dGPU added, the CPU can take up all the 12.8GB/s, so you see an improvement even in non-graphical tasks.
also what about hardware decoding of streams? That could explain why the original APU by itself had so much trouble on UA-cam. Likely there's no hardware acceleration of anything past h.264. Maybe try the tests again with the h264ify plugin?
@@SeeJayPlayGames VP1. Used across youtube and wouldnt have even existed as a notion back in 2011 (likely even after it was being designed)
@@DLTX1007 Do you mean VP9? Maybe confusing it with AV1?
@@SeeJayPlayGames He's technically right though, VP1 wasn't thought of back in '11 because it still ain't been thought of. Maybe there will be a future VP1 codec, though I doubt it.
He is however wrong if he meant VP9, google bought On2 back in 2010 and VP9 is based on that tech, development on the VP9 codec started in 2011 so it was definitely around at least conceptually. It's a bit harder if he meant AV1 though, that codec is heavily based on other codecs including VP9 but the oldest source being cannibalized is Mozzilla's Daala from 2010. I don't know when AV1 development started though, it almost certainly hadn't been thought of by 2011.
12.8GB/s is insanely fast?!?!?!
Commenting from the Athlon 5350. Games respond and react quicker than desktop, discord or browsers do. i rate it 10 bricks.
im watching this from an athlon 5150 pc with 8gb of ram, a 120gb ssd and a 1tb hard drive i pulled from an xbox one s and windows 8.1
@@samsunggalaxynote3868 Truly a Jaguar moment.
Please go to windows 7 😭@@samsunggalaxynote3868
AM1 CPU's can run at full speed without a heatsink as long as you have decent ventilation in your case
A cool spring breeze could cool them
There are dozens of Kabini thin clients from Dell and HP that do indeed have the same chip and no fans whatsoever.
As budget laptop CPUs on the era they were released they were semi decent.
This CPU is an ideal showcase of people recommending stuff purely out of spite
Like someone who is tryin to get into some anime...
Go watch Boku No Pico 😂
@@mmllmmll22 I may be too tired to get what you mean ._.
@@AlpineTheHusky i dont get this either, however i have used it in a few places and got surprised looks
who needs an museum build ?
Since you like anecdotes, I gots one for ya.
I used to have an A6-5200 APU desktop as my main system from 2013-2018 which is from the same family as the Athlon 5350. I COULD'VE gotten a system with a i5-2400, but I didn't.
Anyone with knowledge of this would see that this APU is meant for laptops. Yes that is true. But AMD decided to make a desktop version of a laptop APU, the cpu soldered on a motherboard, and using laptop power. Yet it still somehow had a PCI-E x16 slot!
Imagine my surprise with not even 3 years later I wanted to upgrade that thing and the first question I was asked "what's your power supply" and I answered it doesn't have one. No one believed me.
It's a desktop pc with a 65w laptop power brick. On the motherboard the CPU power connector spot is empty. There is no upgrade path at all.
But I found one, for the GPU. Complete pc newbie me spent ages trying to find a suitable GPU at least so I can play Dota 2 better with my friends. And I got it. I found a GDDR5 64-bit GT 710. And the desktop performed noticably better... victory was mine, I'm not throwing my PC away yet I bet I can even upgrade to Windows 10 now!
For all about a month.
Needless to say, discrete graphics AND an ssd upgrade couldn't save that thing. How I wish I've chosen the i5-2400 PC, an SSD upgrade and an upgrade to the i7-2600 would make it still usable today, unlike this thing which, let's be real here, was barely usable even when it debuted. The stuttering when loading programs gave me flashbacks to the Pentium 4 days, and that's a nightmare I don't want remember. When your quad-core CPU performs on par or WORSE than 6 year old Core 2 Duos, you know your platform was terrible.
At least it basically doesn't consume any power though... no, not because of how efficient it is, but because you're not going to be able to do anything with it!
If you want to feel better
in 2013 when i was 8-9 years old, i was getting my PC.B Being a little brat I picked a prebuild instead of waiting for a custom build and now I truly regret that choice. With my budget I'm not sure if I could get anything better (the tower itself costed 450$ if converting from my currency, more or less). Because of that, I got a measly i3-3320, GT 630 2GB and 4 GB of DDR3 RAM carried by 1th hdd and f-tier rated psu (hasn't exploded for 10 years the pc was in use, somehow!)
I doubt I could get much better stuff, but perhaps with more money allocated to the tower instead of peripherals... 8GB of ram was easilly doable, some low end i5 like 3350p perhaps.. and a GTX gpu - nothing crazy, but 650 Ti or even 660...
That being said, I still enjoyed my PC - it could easilly play minecraft back in the day, roblox, emulate consoles up to WII/PS2/DS.. but still regret a bit
@@lookie4448at least u were on a decent socket
My friend has an lga 1155 board with an i3 2120T. It also uses one of those laptop power bricks but doesn't have a pcie slot
Yep, have an Acer laptop with an E1-2500 (same generation, but ultra-low end which means even slower), even for the 150€ it cost new it barely crawled through Windows 10. Linux improves it a little bit, but it's still minute-long startups, frequent freezing and barely usable for anything beyond basic web and 480p UA-cam. It's like going from crawling to hobbling around on a crippled leg. Source: had to use it for about a week when my gaming laptop decided to melt it's own charger connector.
the more I hear about old AMD stuff, the more I feel happy with my i3 4005U (and with the i7 4510U I got recently)
I hated AM1 as a repair/pc build technician. Low power chips, no performance, and chugged in Windows regardless of what hardware you threw at it.
I love the fly crawling on it ads a touch to the hateful little thing aspect🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Actually, at some point there was a genuine Xbox one APU on AliExpress. It was soldered into the motherboard which had slots for ddr3. They called it RX 350 or something (made up name btw)
I don't remember well but it had like ONE driver for windows
Even when the drivers didn't make the games unplayable, it was severely underperforming. The CPU despite having 8 cores was performing worse than i3 2100
It should perform worse than a 2100. The only way that could run better is with better driver support and some multithreaded wizardry. Something more likely found on a console.
@@robertt9342 Nah, the cores were utilized well, the integrated graphics suffered from the lack of drivers. I think the guy who's review I watched used a riser to plug in a normal GPU and it still sucked. Jaguar is just simply pathetic
The price is an oddity. They are practically obsolete and are not sought by the retro market.
This. I can get plenty of HW bundles with an AM1 board, some junky Athlon or Sempron and some amount of RAM for anything between 10-35eur here in germany, sometimes even with included shipping. I'm honestly surprise there's still that "many" floating around, because at some point like 5 years ago people couldn't even get rid of those bundles *for free* (not an exaggeration, nobody wanted these), so a lot of them were just scrapped. Guess we're way past the lowest point of the inverted bell curve now
More a function of very low demand meeting extremely limited supply, not in balance in any way. Number goes up.
@@Knaeckebrotsaege Damn, I wanted one...
Impeccable GTAV performance, chef's kiss
Now its time to make the xbox one gaming pc with the gpu as well you reviewed
Now I’m curious to see how my old FX-8350 is doing. It’s still collecting dust in the drawer…
i still have my 8350 and 4350 collecting dust, I should really just build 2 really cheap systems and give them to my family. I didnt know much about computers when i got my first personal one with the 4350 so i thought the upgrade to 8350 would be substantial but since i didnt overclock anything the performance difference was marginal at best in most cases, but did get vermintide 1 with a gtx750ti on 720p low settings from ~45 fps with a substantial stutter whenever a horde spawned to a solid ~55fps with only a slight hitch whenever a horde spawned. The performance jump in that game was the only real benefit i saw, but for the price it was horrible :P
With todays electricity prices? Leave it in the drawer!
I need to build with my R 3 3200G now
@@Zapp3012haha the irony is I own one of the most efficient processors in performance per watt (5950X) and one of the least efficient (8350) from the past 10 years or so
@@goldchris1111I started my journey with a phenom II I inherited from my dad many years ago. I also had an 8350 and 750Ti, unlike yourself I knew full well the 8350 was by no means a stellar performer, more decided due to me not being able to afford any decent i5s or i7s at the time when factoring in platform costs
Used this chip on a low power, always on office and streaming PC for my mother, she enjoyed it on Linux mint very much for 4 years, then I ditched the low power requirement and she got my old 2500k which is still powering that PC no problems in 2024 the am1 cpu became a project mainboard
For the Xbox One and PS4 I believe they only had access to 6 cores for games. The other 2 cores were reserved specifically for the OS only meaning that games never used all 8 cores because they couldn’t. It allowed the console to do stuff in the background without interfering in game performance
Also I’ve heard that devs basically have to do a lot of optimizations just to get some of their games working on their CPUs because of how far they were behind Intels CPUs of the era. I wouldn’t even be surprised if early games had issues bottlenecking the GPU in those games because of that.
Also I wouldn’t be surprised that the CPU is the main reason why so many games were 30fps on console as the CPU was the main limiting factor not the GPU. Although thankfully performance was far more stable than it was during the 7th generation
pretty sure the PS4 pro has a separate ARM chip for the OS
@@owenjbrady It does but it’s only an assist. There are still cores to reserve for the system as well. This is also in both the base and Pro models. It also has 256mb of ram dedicated to this arm chip too
@@owenjbradyOnly thing that can output video is the main PS4 SOC. That little ARM processor is for idle and background OS/game updates.
7 cores
Only having 6 cores for games was isn't an issue considering it's 2024 and the majority of PCs have 6 core CPUs.
Nice to see I'm not the only one with a carrier bag full of old RAM sticks from the last 20 years.
I can 1up that with an entire shoebox full with anything from 30pin SIMMs to DDR5
I have a random SDRAM module that I'm not sure whether it works or not.
Loving the recent uploads, my guy.
When i got the system, it was many years ago. The mobo was new old stock MSi AM1-I for 20€ and the 5350 with an asrock mATX mboo for like 30€, sold the mobo for 20€ so the 5350 was only 10€ in the end. So the system being 30€ years ago was quite the steal.
Ran different things on it, from a plex server to a storage server to just being a router. It went through all 3 with no big issues. It wasn't blazing fast performance, but for the price that i was able to get it and the efficiency, it was good.
These days, no, you have way better options, especially for the prices. But as i said in the community comment, what AMD was aiming at back then was what i loved, an SOC with the mobo being an expansion slot. They could have kept AM1 alive with better CPUs since it was basically an expansion slot. But since they were already struggling back then, they abandoned the idea.
Would love to see something like this revived again with Ryzen, small, cheap 2-4 core SOCs on the new architecture with mobos only being a medium (no chipset on the mobo also = priced way less)
I had a very curious question, why most old hardware are crazy expensive but then there are others that are much cheaper and more powerful?? Is it on terms of rarity? I don’t get it.
Scarcity and some old hardware is still in use in some biz, they prefer to repair to buy new, also some very old hardware is used in industrial pc
It's just supply and demand. Older hardware being discontinued with a bathtub curve failure rate means there is less available, but still has demand from people looking to keep older systems up and running. Higher demand for short supply drives up prices, even if it's underwhelming, middling APUs.
@@seancasey8707 Actually, as with a great many things, a lot of it simply boils down to nostalgia. It's the "My first PC" or the "I lusted after those but never got one" effect. That's when the supply and demand situation kicks in. There may be people who NEED to stick to a particular system all these years later, but they will be few and far between.
Supply and demand. Corporations are dumping Ryzen 2xxx 3xxx and Intel 4th-9th gen. Can pick up for peanuts when they are offloading a truck full. Meanwhile a bottom of the barrel home rig that barely kept up new and is ~10 years older will be more rare by comparison.
I assumed the narrator was like in his 50s or 60 but discovered Ed Sheeren secret identity as a pc builder lol. jokes aside love the channel 😊 and love the work
No wonder the PS4 can hardly run CS2. Its CPU bottleneck'd
A few months back, I found a mini PC with an athlon 5350 and 2gb of ram and 128gb ssd. I put 4gb on it and it is lagging with windows 10.
put linux on it.
Sounds about right, W10 is a memory thief when it hasn't been debloated.
@@forgwrap thinking of loading emulators on it
@@blunderingfool well it was a free pc so I cant complain
@@nikolaszisoudis8408 Fair point there.
1:34 the fly on the psu cord seems to wanna know if it still works too
When it comes to Rimworld on PC, if you want multi-core/multi-thread support you'll want to run these tests with Rimthreaded, a mod you can find on the steam workshop. It adds ""proper"" community-source multicore and multithread support. Speaking as someone with hundreds of hours in the game, it makes a MASSIVE performance difference and is kind of the optifine of Rimworld.
I’ll try it out 👍
so happy to have the uploads more often, love the vids
Note for future bonus footage at the end of your videos. Please be aware that your end cards block the view of the video, so we can hear you, but can't see most of what's going on. Enjoyed the video nonetheless. Thank you for your work. Hope you keep doing these. Cheers.
I am one of those people that bought one when they came out, as I was curious about the CPUs in the Xbox One/PS4 generation consoles (I see you reached the same conclusion, they were awful :D). It now lives as my pfSense router CPU as it runs nice and cool and doesn't use much power.
It might also be worth keeping in mind that console CPUs (well, and available RAM) don't need to deal with the same operating system, which might be taxing those resources a lot more than we realize. Who knows
Consoles also had a few cores resting as the only ever used 4 most of the time so it would have no problem using those for the os, hence smooth operation even in the middle of a busy game
The biggest performance hit is probably the constant context switches in any multitasking operating systems.
With system dedicated entirely to gaming, there are probably a lot less processes running in the background and it amost like the user is only running one application.
Consoles also reserve CPU cores for the OS to use too. The Xbox One and PS4 reserve 2 cores for the operating system specifically. I can’t remember how many the PS5 and Series S|X reserve though
this system has nothing to share with the console apus other than the jaguar cores. the consoles have much much higher memory bandwidth than this thrash system, PS4 having like 10 times more than this thing, and the included graphics adapter is much worse than the PS4/Xbox One which have gpus comparable to desktop ones of that time. It's not even close.
Also, remember that Jaguar and Bobcat have nothing in common with Piledriver/Bulldozer/Vishera and even late-gen Carrizo chips. They are a mobile oriented arch that does not share its FPU and cache among 2 cores. all cores have their FPU. But they still suck because they are cut down like intel atom cores.
Xbox also uses a stripped down version of windows but it has custom drivers and is probably even more stripped down compared to this de bloated windows
I was somehow able to bring up an athlon 5150 to 2ghz up from 1.6 and that stuff worked. It was paired with the slowest possible GT730.
As you can guess, it was a prebuilt system.
That overclock was significantly noticeable in world of tanks that i played at the time (best case scenario as that game was highly dependant on single core performance). Game was finally pushing almost 60fps up from mid 40s.
Ran that thing for a couple years before i got a system that was like 5 times as fast, based on an i5 4570. Its like i attached arms and legs to my quad amputeed body. I also got an R9 280 for free from a friend too and had a good system going.
We needed a 8-core version, sadly the only 8-cores was FX-8300 series, we never got these or Kaveri in 8-core config... :(
HUGE ANIME BREASTS
@@KokoroKatsurawhat?
these new 3d rendered clips in your videos are actually really good i respect your work i know 3d can be a pain sometimes
Paired with that Firepro GPU you featured a couple of years back, we get a worse Xbox at higher expense. Amazing.
Something about watching this on my 10 usd goodwill imac seems so right. It's a 2011 27 inch that needed to be recovered and that is all!
I watch this on my e-waste-dumpster dived 2012 27" Imac.
Just needed to stick Mint-stick in and voilá!
Intel i5-2500S (4) @ 3.700GHz
AMD ATI Radeon HD 6770M
32Gb ram / 1tb HDD
Watching from my secondhand daily of 8 years, 2011 Hp Probook 4430s I bought in 2016.
It can still keep up with some newer laptops through brute force, but I didn't go about upgrading it for several years of ownership.
i7 2630qm 4 core/8 thread @ 2.9ghz
16gb DDR3 Ram
Hd 3000 Integrated graphics (the weak point on the computer, no upgrades :(
1Tb SSD with a second 750gb HDD in an adapter caddy replacing the optical drive
That sucker got me through high school, college, an EMT course, and years of being beat on running games it was never meant to run, and it still fires right up every day. The casing is scuffed and dented, the keyboard is worn, and it likes to crash if you accidentally zap it with static electricity in a certain spot on the case, but it still runs smooth and fast
me watching it on junker 1st gen i5 PC that I built 2 month ago
One Athlon 5350 is sitting right next to me now. I built home server as a practical school thesis in early 2016. For more than 8 years it was running almost 24/7 with shut down only when upgrading. Price for CPU was 18eur and for motherboard another 24eur new! That PC was running WIN10+FTP+Plex+NextCloud, was used as DLNA and SMB and it ran well with PCIe RAID controller, system SSD, 1TB 2.5" SATA and 2x 10TB 3.5" SATA in RAID.
Replaced it last week for N100 motherboard with 32GB DDR5 RAM and my old motherboard will go for next jurney soon and hope it will be running fine for next couple of years.
1:30 That fly.
Considering, the I5-4690k was from about the same time, granted it was more expensive back then, the difference is still quite a lot. (I was using one til 2023.)
I don't think it's a best-case-scanerio at 3:40, since there is no case.
good video. windows 10 is largely the main reason for the horrendous performance on systems such as this. any of those older quad cores and below, that technically are capable of running 10 or 11, and did a bit better when 10 first launched, find themselves now just crippled by it even under more simple circumstances. the only way to really solve it is by adding a ssd, or going to windows 7, in which case performance totally irons right out again.
I ran mine on W7 and no it wasn't any better. Maybe DOS...
@@dikbozoW-XP?
Am1 still support winXP drivers, still a good old retro PC low power machine.
Finally Something good to watch on my lunch break
@BudgetBuildsOfficial 8:02 that's no bug friend its server side ad injection
yup, they're currently testing the waters with that and it's absolute cancer. twitch is currently testing the same thing basically in parallel to YT and it's even worse over there
Love how the replies to this (including mine) have been censored out of existance by youtubes automated AI moderation garbage. It only shows "1 reply" despite there being 3 yesterday night, and trying to expand that one supposedly remaining one leads to... nothing popping up
@@Knaeckebrotsaege
I tried saying something previously, but nope, apparently mentioning anything is too offensive for this incompetent company.
That Terms of Service that UA-cam is using as an excuse means NOTHING to any government, because no one has agreed to them.
Hmmm... Maybe a SteamOS video with this setup??
I like that no matter what, Google makes sure that you can watch an ad on youtube even if you're on a old machine.
i think it mainly comes down to optimization on the console side of things. When you launch a game on the console the entire hardware focuses on the game, theres no windows services, indexing, background apps, updates, no nothing. Take the x360 for example, youre talking 2005 mid-high end hardware, running a 2014 far cry 4 game, about the same as a 2010ish high end pc.
0:50 oh wow, we used to have that exact computer on the left! So much nostalgia! Sadly it's gone. If you turned it on, the light below the power button was green!
The Orbis and Durango had 8 cores (clocked at 1.6ghz and 1.75ghz respectively), but initially Sony and Microsoft limited developers to only six cores (one core was for the OS obviously).
Mid to Late 2014, Microsoft opened up "half a core" on the 7th of the Durango that was normally reserved for the Kinect. This was also done as Microsoft was doing everything thing they possibly could to help close the performance gap between the Durango and the Orbis.
Eventually Microsoft enabled the full 7th core, as did Sony for the Orbis later on.
Though I might be wrong on parts of this. Hopefully someone else can clarify.
Currently rocking one of these as a PC to stream to for my partner so we can both game on my machine with VMs. Being a mini ITX PC it's small but has enough IO for a media PC and after slapping in a GTX 660 and running it on a wired connection it works well for streaming at 1080p. The main PC is rocking a 10700k and GTX 980ti (was a 3070 but I had to sell, honestly though I play 1080p so see barely any difference). If you ever want to do a video on running multiple games on a single GPU I'm quite well versed now I've done it a few times haha. I'd personally recommend something with a tad more power and more upto date networking for streaming but it does the trick haha. Didn't realise these were worth so much though that's crazy I remember spending £34 or so max for this CPU and about the same on the motherboard back in late 2015, early 2016.
Every so often, whenever I need some low-power PC for something I remember "oh hey, what about AM1?" and then end up completely flabbergasted at the prices.
These CPUs were bad back at the day. AM1 was already dying on release, and even a jump to FM3 (I think was the current APU socket) wasn't that much extra for significantly more power. How these parts are holding their value despite server side being flooded by cheap Xeons and the consumer side also having now 7th and 8th along with Ry2K being affordable, I'll never be able to tell.
Worthless even for power efficiency, you can get the T and S variants of early i5/i7 gens along with the equivalent Xeon for extremely cheap nowadays
even Ryzen 3000 has become very affordable. Recently built an ultra-budget gaming PC for a friend of mine still stuck on a failing (not POSTing all the time) 4th gen i5 with a RX460, and was able to grab a R5 3600 for a whopping 40eur. The MSI B450M Pro-VDH MAX board was about the same, and a 16GB GSkill Aegis DDR4-3200 kit with Samsung chips was just 20eur, so I bought two kits for 32GB total cause why the heck not? lol. GPU wise I went for a used Zotac 3060 12GB for 180eur cause after my own driver horror show with an RX 6800, I didn't want them to deal with that as well. Add a used 1TB Toshiba/Kioxia TLC NVMe to the mix for 45eur and you end up with about 345eur total for a still very respectable system, considering what that amount would get you brand new (ie nothing worth using)
The new Celeron J and N chips match or beat this out, are cheap as chips, and sip power at an astonishing 5-10w. But surprisingly this thing actually only run at 25w! Gotta say, this performance out of a 25w apu from 10 years ago... I mean it's not good.. but it's... Better than I expected.
It usually operates even lower than that, under 12Watts from my testing. Very impressive
I still use my PS4 Pro and Xbox one X daily, got them for a combined $180 a couple months ago, honestly pretty decent in my opinion
If you want a gem for the One X, try RDR2. It's sadly capped at 30fps no matter the resolution, but on the other hand the damn thing is powerful enough to run this game at *native* 4k30, no upscaling or any of that nonsense needed
@@Knaeckebrotsaege I loved RDR2
Great video! I think this cpu is not better, than the GX-415GA soc in my Fujitsu Futro S920 build. :S I bet my earlier main cpu, Athlon II X4 640 is a lot better. :D
Anyway, it was nice to see a comparsion between this and the X One.
P.S.: Nice psu! I have a standard (not M) CX430 sitting next to me on the desk. :D
Nice to see someone accurately referencing the cores in the Xbox one
You should look at the nightmare that is AM3’s Bulldozer processors
Rimworld has a multithreaded mod called "Rimthreaded" or something along those lines. Rocketman is usually my go to but for some of these processors it might do the trick
Yooooooooo thats the coolest intro ever mana i love it!!!! You just made my jaw drop with that one!!🎉
The launch of Cyberpunk 2077 all over again 😮
Cheers 🍻
we bought those in bulk back then to put together PoS pc's running win7. very cheap and easy to assemble (i was the one assembling them) and did the task at hand with ease.
they were about our only cheap option with a serial port, we really needed a serial port keep the thermal printers we were using, usb serial adapters didn't always worked. we were switching them for usb thermal printers, but we couldn't just switch everything at once.
when i got fired, i took a processor and motherboard with me and still have them on a drawer somewhere. i've been thinking about using them for an emulation box for a long time, but laziness keeps winning.
Yes the videos and the creativity are in full force what a treat!- i would like to make a request i know that doesnt mean u will but i would love to see what my first gpu is up to now the hd radeoon 6670 lol
is your discord server still up you have a link for it but its broken!
Mentioned that months ago with no response, and when he talks about the community he means YT community polls, ie the things hardly anyone sees and votes for. Don't get your hopes up
Funny story. I was able to run GTAV at 60 FPS with a Phenom II 1090T Black Edition 32GB DDR3 and a R9 270X 2GB GDDR5. I was able to avoid the Bulldozer FX series with that CPU because it was a beast and kept on truckin'.
Thank you so much for all the vids ❤ I'd say my favorite youtuber rn
Since you've already did a video on that FirePro W5000 aka. "the Xbox One's GPU", it would be interesting to see the how performance of a PC close in specs to the Xbox One compares to said console in games...
your videos are a beacon of clarity and inspiration!
At 2:25 did you use a photogrammetry method to get the 3d model of the processor or made a cuboid shape in blender and apply textures? i'm genuinely curious
I used one with a gt 630 as a media center pc for my mom for like $200 back in 2014 it basically was used for Netflix until stuff like a firestick came out. I got a itx case with a 250w sfx psu for $50, the gt 630 for $40, cpu motherboard combo $100 and luckily I had a spare 16gbs of ram which did cost about $50 at time of purchase, we did use a samsung sata 3 ssd. I remember playing GTA V on it but I don't remember it being that bad way back in the day, I remember my testing using being on windows 7, 16gbs of ram, sata 3 ssd and an AMD 7970 gpu to hopefully insure only cpu bottlenecks as a friend of mine was building a pc and wanted to know if that cpu was any good for gaming and GTA V was likely the hardest game they would be playing at the time. Not saying it was a good experience but it was better than a lot of what I saw at least for singleplayer never been a fan of online, likely a lot of rockstar bloat and spaghetti code added over the years.
When these were new, I bought a brand new motherboard and the 5350 cpu for a total of $55 Cdn. I ended up building a small pc with it and eventually gave it away to a neighbor. The current pricing makes no sense.
I love the 3D renders. Feels like an old racing game
Very nice, great work!
Always glad when I see a new upload great job
Great video, as always! Still hoping to see you test ETS2 some day
Love the mug!
These were a great idea for the time, kind of like a PC Pi and did exactly as designed as in was cheap enough to get what was at the time, a modern PC for the basics. Made for a pretty decent HTPC as well. I got the exact same mobo and CPU with 8GB back in the day and had a lot of fun tinkering with it next to my main gaming PC, then I passed it on to my mother for her home office stuff and it lasted her for a good few years.
Its a shame they never carried on with it as yes it was low performance, but it was really good for the price and a great introduction to affordable PC building.
@0:58 LOL, I have that exact compaq case myself, the machine I'm commenting from resides in it,.
I thought xbox one was 1080p 30 not 720p with textures missing in GTA V, I don't remember texture streaming issues playing GTA:O on the PS4 but the last time I played it was probably 2015/16
You remembered correctly. It runs far better than this PC.
nice video ^^
i remember using an athlon x4 860k many moons ago and being happy that i was finally on a desktop instead of using a laptop as a desktop lol
There are (or were) desktop replacement/gaming laptops, some of which even shipped with desktop processors.
But you lose a lot of expansion capability in order to fit the hardware into a limited space, they aren't terribly useful on the go due to the power drain, and boy do they get hot!
@@jnharton they sure do, but i would definitely have had a better experience with one of those than the many low-end laptops i was stuck with before my first desktop hehe
I do not know about the Xbox one version but I recently played on the ps4 and single player and online do not look like this you can with a full lobby and explosions all over the map but not just driving around like this
To be a little bit fair with the 5350, almost all games at that time were designed to run on four cores, if not two. We only started to see six or more cores utilization sometime after 2018 or so, when Ray Tracing was starting to take off thanks to NVidia's push towards it. I'm not saying the 5350 was a beast of a CPU, just that developers usually optimized their games for four cores at that time.
So someone else has come across the bug that youtube replaces your video with an ad, it happened once to me, and was fixed when I refreshed the page.
the jokes that it even took it a while to notice the cooler was gone..but when it did its like hey gime that back 😂 back in there day they were an ok buy if you just wanted a pc for everyday basic use and not to break the bank. a friend had am1 back in the day and was pretty happy with it. then switched to an fm2. both did there job but defo long lost there somewhat prime days
Loving that intro
Funny. I have an AM1-system and I love it. It has its specific purpose, though. It has got passive cooling and is paired with a passively cooled nVidia Geforce 720 with GDDR memory and low voltage memory. The storage is a Seagate 1Tb laptop hybrid. It runs Windows XP and I use it mainly for old games and several programs that aren't compatible with later versions of Windows.
Uses very little power, makes no noise, absolutely silent. Perfect successor to my old early 2000's Athlon XP, that had only one core and ran at two-thirds the clock speed.
The comparison to the XBox one is not fair, IMHO. The XBox had double the cores and of course, much bigger databus. The real comparison would be the Intel Atom chips. And the performance was roughly on Pentium IV levels.
Thats a clean sr1000 in the background, I still use this case even has the same xp and athlon stickers, sort of a sleeper now it was our family pc years ago.
I installed Bazzite OS on my AM3+ FX 8350 pile driver rig paired with 32GB of 1600mhz RAM + RX 580 8GB. I have to say, I'm extremely impressed with just how well everything functions there. Im done with Windows forever.
I still have one of those! Used it for years before going Ryzen. They released the 5370 a year after launch, few people upgraded to it. Did not realize the value went up so much.
14:40 I remember reading somewhere that the consoles would dedicate 2 cores to the OS so it always runs "smoothly".
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Reminds me of my system when my 4710HQ overheats and the speed drops to under 800Mhz. Every time it happens it makes me feel like unplugging everything, grabbing it and smashing it. Then I remember I can't afford anything else and I just continue lol.
The only positive thing, mine does it only when it overheats every few minutes and it is not always like that.
I am trying to remember how the CPU I see in this video compares to the last AMD CPU I ever bought, the Athlon 64 X2. I mean experience wise. Of course that was 2005 so...yeah. What did I have with it? Ah yes the X1800 XT. Good times.
Very fun video, thank you for sharing!
If your machine overheats every couple of minutes, you should really find out how to get in there, remove the cooler, remove the fan, clean out all the accumulated fluff in the heatsink and fan, repaste and reassemble. (Invest in some liquid metal paste if you feel adventurous enough, but read up on how to work with the stuff.) I would almost be surprised if a 10-year-old consumer (presumably gaming) laptop _didn't_ come with a clogged heatsink and rock-hard thermal paste, assuming it has never seen any service. These things tend to get beat on and generally have coolers with a very high fin density to squeeze maximum performance out of them when new, which makes them very prone to clogging, and there is some terrible thermal paste out there.
BTW, you may want to check your local(ish) e-waste places and the like. In some parts of the world, 8th-gen Intel systems are already hitting recycling. 6th gen is definitely old hat, I've seen someone do a Skylake build using only free components and it wasn't bad at all (6700K and such).
@@PileOfEmptyTapes Hi. Thanks for your reply. I am well aware of what I need to do to maintain the over heating laptop. The problem is there is a stripped screw in the middle of the case which makes it impossible to open it. I have tried all the tricks, other than using a drill. I don't have a drill and even if I had one, I wouldn't use it as the screw is very small and recessed deep inside and it would mean damaging the case if not any of the electronics inside. Using brute force also wouldn't work for obvious reasons. As this is the only working "modern" PC I own, I can't afford to damage it further. A half working laptop is better than a non working.
The one positive thing, I am currently trying to find some replacement parts for another laptop I have, from the same period and if I do manage to get the correct parts (will find out if they ever arrive from China), then I should have another working "modern" laptop and thus be able to afford to take a risk with the overheating laptop and how to open it. I have been searching for the parts for 6 years now and I think I finally got lucky finding them. Time will tell.
We don't have local "waste places" or shops and the like, like you have in the USA (I am guessing you are American). So unfortunately 99% of shopping for computer parts has to be done online.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Happy gaming.
I’m curious have you attempted running rim world with dxvk patches? It’s basically treating the game like it’s using proton on Linux or the steam deck. Most dx9 games benefit greatly from translating to Vulkan. When applied to dx11 it’s up in the air. dxvk usually works well on poorly optimized or poorly threaded situations.
The closest thing to AMD Jaguar for PS4/One was the FX-8150 or 8100.
Those CPUs were based on Bulldozer architecture while Jaguar was based on Bobcat (shorter pipeline and smaller space of the cpu die) but Bulldozer were just Bobcat CPUs with more features that weren't needed on a console/laptop.
That is apalling perfomance in Rimworld, I bought an FX 6300 from CEX in 2014 for £35 and it played rimworld at 60FPS until i bred loads of chickens. I later realised it was slightly slower than my Phenom 2 965 that fit in the same board, so I sold it at a profit on ebay for £40 and reinstalled the Phenom 2.
...so what you are saying, is that youtube ads occupy a entire cpu core?
I used the slightly better athlon 5350 cpu for more than 5 years (got it in 2015) and its funny seeing these prices. This is the most disgusting processor I know of. Even back in 2015 this cpu was such a piece of sht that it barely got the job done back then. These cpus are literal e-waste.
You must have a broken Xbone, I never experienced textures not loading in and pop in on my xbone. Xbox One performance on GTA 5 is pretty consistent. Consoles will always be better optimised than PC's of the same price range. This is the only reason consoles are still viable, price and performance.
Hey! Console gamer here. I have gta5 on 360… it loads slowly but performs way better than this supposed xbone analog. I don’t own it on xbone but it being that janky and not being able to have multiple tabs on just browsing is not right. I could have multiple tabs on windows xp era hardware. Are you sure it’s working correctly?
may or may not be whatching this on my xbox1...
Still better than a Pentium N3700, though if you really want a master of slowness with 4 cores, the J2900 "saves" the day.
Intel made some very weird CPUs over the years, especially when it comes to the supposedly "low power" stuff. Another freak would be the Celeron 847, a 1.1GHz 17W dualcore based on sandy bridge. It comfortably beats the early Atoms up to something like a D2700, but then again, what doesn't? lmao
@@Knaeckebrotsaege I bet if Intel had a wafer with 99% defects, they'd still cut that into a processor somehow... lol Intel Barelyworkium i1 100 @ 0.1 Ghz (1.1 ghz Turdbo!)
Yo. Quick question are you using someone's made "debloated" windows. Or officially Microsoft released LTSC/LTSB
6:56 hey so btw gpu usage if optimized should be at or near 100 percent, you want to be using the gpu
I have a mini pc with a similar cpu. Back in the days I installed sea of thieves on it and played it on my old CRT TV, managed something about 10-15fps and absolutely no idea what I was doing because of the poor resolution. Fun.
@Budget-Builds Official what model number is that dell monitor on the side at 6:19?
I played GTA V on my old xbox one and for me it was just fine. Also on Playstation 4 :)
GTA V is fine but GTA Online with over 16 players is where the issues start.
UA-cam staff seeing that "weird bug" all "Oh no... Anyway" Lmao.