Old Spa-Francorchamps Onboard POV with circuit map
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- Опубліковано 13 кві 2018
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Old Spa-Francorchamps circuit onboard with map and indicator. We do the 1947 - 1978 version of the track, with the Raidillon, Masta Kink and the banked Stavelot Corner.
Spa-Francorchamps is well known for the F1 Belgian Grand Prix. The circuit has a rich history with the old circuit twice as long as the current track.
In this onboard video we pass all iconic corners of the old Spa-Francorchamps street circuit. Old Les Combes, Burnenville, the Malmedy Chicane, Masta Straight, Masta Kink, Hollowel, old Stavelot Corner and La Carriere.
Most famous corner of todays Spa-Francorchamps is the steep Raidillon, often incorrectely called Eau Rouge. Even after it was introduced in 1939 another corner on the old circuit was more feared... The Masta Kink!
Since the new Spa-Francorchamps circuit opened in 1979, the old street circuit is only public road. Untill 1999 it was possible to do a complete lap at old Spa-Francorchamps. But in 2000 the current circuit became a permanent race track and is now closed for traffic.
To make my lap at the old Spa-Francorchamps circuit complete I had to film the permanent track from the public zones. The rest of the old circuit is onboard.
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August 28, 2020 on the eve of the Belgian Grand Prix, I will upload an improved version of this video. The new video will contain a voiceover with historic information. Also aditional footage of the pre-1939 l'Ancienne Douane Hairpin, the Malmedy Chicane and the Masta Chicane. Don't miss it and subscribe to my channel!
The old layout was a monster- particularly the straight! I've seen old film of Spa, but I suspect they actually show very little of the track. As usual, Thanks, Herman!
You're welcome. Yes the Masta Straight in combination with the fast Masta Kink (actually it were two kinks) was the most demanding part of the old circuit. Even after the Raidillon (not Eau Rouge!) was introduced in 1939, the Masta Kink was the most feared corner.
Is there any way to film the short hairpin section that predates Raidillon?
@@epistte it still exists, so yes.
@@xander1052 There is a short video of the hairpin that goes between Eau Rouge and Raidillon. I found it about a week ago. Look on the series of videos about forgotten/abandoned F1 circuits(Circuits of the past). It's the first 5 minutes. It appears that road is still used by someone who lives in the area.
Thanks to getting interested in this and driving the course a lot in sims like most of us have 😏 I just found out about L'ancienne Douane, which was a weird hairpin jutting out from where the Raidillon is now. It doesn't seem to be represented in any games I've played.
Spa is my favorite track ever. Thanks for showing us. =)
You're welcome. I think Spa-Francorchamps is the favorite of many motorsport fans. It's the most attractive circuit on the modern F1 calendar.
🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 Even tho I'm not fortunate enough to visit both Old&new tracks, by playing Project cars2 will i managed to understand why the Old track is far more dangerous.
Played this to death with the AC mod its a really exhilarating ride in the 60's grand prix cars.
I just love looking at the trees and mountains.
I don't get that feeling with circuits in the middle of the desert or city.
One of the best circuits in motorsports. Also thanks the developers and modders who recreated the old layout.
A very cool circuit, but for modern F1 it would be way too fast. Even on the current track, more corners are flat out with modern F1 cars, compared with the 90's.
@@Circuitsofthepast I talk mostly about game developers who are made accurate recreations on simulation games like project cars 2, grand prix legends etc. Also the old layout was pretty dangerous.
Would be nice to drive a 24h Race here. With LMP1 Cars.
Yeah that would be great. And theoretically it's possible. But the old circuit would never meet the modern safety standards.
@@Circuitsofthepast Installed some temporary Armco, some tire walls and hay bales like they do on the road portions of LeMans and let them fly. Only the roundabout when the track meets the 4 lane highway (3:10) would need to be modified.
there is a road that cuts out that roundabout that now exists called Route de spa, goes straight, roughly along where the old track went.
Thanks for the making of this video. I have a blast driving on this track on Assetto Corsa with a vr it's dope!
I absolutely love this channel! Thanks for your efforts.
You're welcome.
Really amazing! Thank you very much for sharing!
One thing is for sure, it was a lot longer.
It was 14 Km. which is twice as long as the current circuit.
Circuits of the past It does definitely look sizeably bigger.
That's because the old track was stretched, while the current track is more twisty.
75% of the circuits back then were much longer...
Nurburgring, Spa, and as recent as Hockenheim were much longer circuits, and even by modern track layout Spa is one of the longest tracks & shortest lap distances on the F1 calendar.
@@pushatsinfrared longer and faster and better then this new spa circiut and not safe
Chris Amon, McLaren Works Driver in 1969 said
his timed lap of the old Spa - Francorchamps
Circuit and his Indy 500 qualifying time was very
close togeather.
Interesting. Two so different kind of tracks, but both ultra fast.
Nice thanks,if i'm near Spa i always take this circuit tour,also i play racing games wich have the old Spa,project cars 2 have the old Spa in their game,pretty acurate,also the old Grand Prix Legends.
You're welcome. In the 90's, when it was a semi street circuit, I often drove the complete old lap after the Grand Prix.
You're just as me. Hahaha reliving the past after racing in the current track. It does makes you wonder, what if Lmp1 or F1 were to race here (Old track) again .
In 1966, there was a wreckage near Masta kink
Wow, that´s the longest spa or it was even longer in the early days? Because it was at least changed twice or three times if i am right! Shorter, removed the bus-stop-chicane is what i´ll know!! Thx 4 the vid...
The pre-1939 version was a little longer. There is an improved version of this video with information about all versions of the old circuit and a voiceover that tells about the history and the changes. Check this video: ua-cam.com/video/QhWUaOByGGI/v-deo.html
@@Circuitsofthepast I´m watching it while writing here...great mate ;)
If only UA-cam had a 3-4x playback speed option to have the feeling of what a Grand Prix driver back then was experiencing!
Like this: ua-cam.com/video/ob1qfPpw0gA/v-deo.html
Ok,
This is really cool to see a few things as an American who can only admire from Google Earth and videos from a far that I did not know.
1-Obviously, running the "old circuit" in race conditions is not possible as much of the old layout is, and was public road... Which you get a sense of the age and culture of the town around the track indicated from what was seen in the movie "Grand Prix" as far as the close proximity the town actually had for viewing purposes.
2-How much of the old circuit is actually modified where you now have modern intersections and highway (motorway) on and off points.
3-Roads after you leave the modern circuit look just a friggen rough as they were back in days gone by.
4-I have a question... Along the "old circuit" through town, is there any sort of historical markers to indicate that you are actually on the old road layout or no?
Thanks! There are no historical markers that memorize to the old street circuit. Most people don't even realize they are on the old Spa-Francorchamps circuit. However, on the parking next to the Mast Kink you see kerbstones. That's beacuse the parking was built as a chicane, but never used for it's purpose.
That’s nothing like the spa today wow it seems like it’s more of a speedway
Yeah it was very fast, alost full throttle all the way. By the way, there is a remake of this video in production with voice over and footage of abandoned sections.
Wow! That was fascinating. I've driven quite a few laps around there in rFactor 2 and was surprised to see how much of that original circuit still exists and how many buildings still remain.
It's a very boring track to race in modern cars, as it's just flat out until you hit the modern grand prix circuit again, but it's nice to see the original is still there for viewing in it's modern form, albeit with a few chicanes (intersections) which weren't there before :)
Thanks for the comment. Have you also seen the remake of this video? It's much more entertaining and informative, with a voice over. Check this one: ua-cam.com/video/QhWUaOByGGI/v-deo.html
@@Circuitsofthepast I have now :) Thanks for letting me know.
Great video but I would love to see a graphic showing the elevation changes
Hey thanks for a Trip back in time.. let's do a 24 race around the old Circuit.😊
You're welcome. There is also an improved version of this video, with voiceover: ua-cam.com/video/QhWUaOByGGI/v-deo.html
Which car have you used for make this camera-car? A Nissan Fairlady 370Z?
Another Japanese car, a Mazda MX-3 V6.
The Masta Kink at 4:15 is insane. You would have to make it through at almost 300kmh or you would lose your speed during the next long straight.
That's right. There is a better version of this video now, with voiceover. You can watch it here: ua-cam.com/video/QhWUaOByGGI/v-deo.html
Great video, but what a shame you followed the right-hand curve at Stavelot. The original circuit actually used to kink left into the village, with near-hairpin right to re-join the circuit at the end of the curve.
You watched the wrong version of this video, in the remake it is told: ua-cam.com/video/QhWUaOByGGI/v-deo.html On my next visit to Spa-Francorchamps I will film also that section.
Pra mim o melhor circuito
There will be a remake of this video before this years Belgian GP. With a voice over and more about the pre-war layout.
It would be hella crazy fast on the old straight with modern cars... :o
Yeah, full throttle through the Masta Kink 😀
Frightening, especially Burnenville, although I understand the drivers feared the Masta kink even more.
Yes, Masta was the most feared corner of the old track. See also this improved edition, with voiceover: ua-cam.com/video/QhWUaOByGGI/v-deo.html
this the old circuit that was 14 kilometers not the current circuit right ??
Yes this is the old layout. See also the new version of this video with voiceover and maps: ua-cam.com/video/QhWUaOByGGI/v-deo.html
The kink doesn’t look like much at that speed. At 200 mph in GPL, it’s a corner and a half!
What a use car ?
So if they open the doors can you do the entire old layout?
Yes that's still possible. Untill it became a permanent track in 2000, it was still possible to do the complete old lap. I did that many times in the 90's, after the Grand Prix. It's a pity I had no camera those day. It would have been fantastic if I filmed a lap those days.
it would be nice to see original spa in f1 but safety is big problem
Yeah that would be way too dangerous. Especially with modern F1 cars which can take almost all corners full throttle. But a revival of the old track would be nice. They can open the fences and connect it to the current circuit.
@@Circuitsofthepast yes it would be noce to see again jut one time original spa,,bit this was dangerous track, ,houses so close to track,
@@master-kq3nw It is no longer suitable for racing anyway, see 3:11. But they could organize a revival with demo races on the old track.
I from Japan.
I can easy English.
I live near Suzuka Circuit.
Do you know Suzuka Circuit?
Off course I know Suzuka. Did you know that the Suzuka circuit was designed by the Dutchman John Hugenholtz? He was also director of my home track Zandvoort. Although Zandvoort is 100 Miles from my home, I see this as my home track.
Circuits of the past
Is that so? I did not know. You are familiar.
Circuits of the past
Have you been to Suzuka Circuit?
@@Avicii_Love_Remaker_JPN Not yet. But I want to visit Japan within a couple of years. And off course Suzuka and Fuji.
Circuits of the past
Please come to Suzuka!
the wet you go just as fast but slow down sooner.
I don't understand what you mean.
Sir, why are you driving a jet car on public roads?
A jet car? It's a Mazda MX-3 V6.
at least its a v6
man you need some big cohones to be quick around here in the past .
Very big. Have you seen the improved version of this video, with voiceover? ua-cam.com/video/QhWUaOByGGI/v-deo.html
i almos fall asleep
That's because you watched the wrong version. Check this remake with voiceover. Way more entertaining: ua-cam.com/video/QhWUaOByGGI/v-deo.html
Soo is it a track or a highway? Lol
It was a track, now public road.
Total rookie. You took the Masta Kink at 45mph tops. I know it's a tricky spot but come on. You'll never win any races like that 😉
I wanted much faster, but thos stupid sunday drivers in front of me drove so f*** slow! ;)
It was quit annoying to film that lap, I was constantely hampered by very slow drivers and also a few times by trucks. Check this one: ua-cam.com/video/9uxp4nQQ8RI/v-deo.html