Youtube just don't care if the clipping community dies
Вставка
- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- #holostars #hololive #nijisanji #vtuber
If you want to support me through Patreon: patreon.com/ob...
So half a year ago, this channel of mine was demonetized for "reused content". I tried opening a 2nd channel, and that too, got demonetized for reused content. I tried a 3rd channel and this time, I couldn't even apply for monetization because as you guess, reused content. This is only one of the many similar stories by dozens of other clippers who got demonetized.
Obviously, clips are reused contents from the stream, but more importantly, it is a vital support to advertise Vtubers as I'm sure many of you, myself included, only started watching Vtubers thanks to clips, and of course it isn't like clippers or clipping trends have been blameless, but losing the clipping community would be a huge blow to the Vtuber industry.
So not only to me, I would like for you to show support to other Vtuber clippers as well, and though I have no idea how we can solve this issue, even just a comment of encouragement would be appreciated.
I also have plans to upload my original mangas on this channel early next year, so if you are interested please stick around.
Clarifications:
*1) The purpose of this video isn't to change UA-cam's mind on this matter, I know that won't happen.*
The point is to state all the obstacles that will only make it harder for clippers to remained monetized while on UA-cam. Even original content-based channels with millions of subs agree that UA-cam is a place too unreliable and unpredictable to build a stable career on, it's why platforms like Nebula exists.
*2) I am not arguing that my videos did not violate their rules.*
I fully admit that by nature, clips violate several of UA-cam's monetization rules. I am trying to point out that many of these rules run antithetical to what role clippers are supposed to play for Vtubers, ie, promote the streamers' content while depicting them as faithfully as possible.
*3) "You're supposed to do this as a hobby, why are you expecting money out of it?"*
Firstly because as stated, every major Vtuber agency understands the role clippers contribute in the Vtuber community and therefore gave permission for clippers to monetize.
Secondly, and I can't say this for any other clippers but myself, while you may argue that individual clips do not take much efforts to make, I have made a total of over 1400 clips in less than 3 years, and I do not make 40 second clips. The amount of works put into these clips have been tremendous and I will admit that if not for the money I made in return from the ad revenue, I would have long burnt out and quitted. I only expect to be paid fairly for the amount of work I put in, no clipper is becoming a millionaire out of this.
*4) You did not create anything so you don't deserve to be monetized for it*
Believe me, it takes a lot for me as a writer to say this, but a piece of work's creative merits is less important than what value it can contribute to the community. The purpose of Vtuber clips is to help promote the Vtuber, not to "be it's own thing".
*5) You're stealing content as much as the Tiktok compilations*
Even if you ignore the fact that I do translations, I consider Tiktok compilation as stealing exactly because Tiktok videos are so short, that when someone took those clips to put into a compilation, that was 100% of the Tiktok video that was passed of as their own. In clipping terms, it would be the same as trying to clip 100% of the entire stream, which would also be considered stealing. The only reason no one does that for streaming is because subbing hours long stream in itself is just not wieldy.
And again I repeat, the major reason clipping isn't stealing is because not only both the Vtubers and their companies permitted third parties to make monetized clips, but they themselves do want the clips to be made.
Some talents and companies do hire their own official clippers, but that is also why they don't mind if 3rd parties are willing to do that for free instead.
Clippers being able to monetize their content is a win-win for all parties involved, UA-cam itself included. And it was UA-cam's inflexible AI and rules that is ruining it.
I have just watched a Hololive clipper who got demonetized, recently he got his monetization back after report this to UA-cam and UA-cam said "we understand your channel appealing(clipping)" Maybe you must try again, it might works
UA-cam is crazy, maybe they will demonetize non copyright sounds as well after this, some lucky clipper got monetization back and some don't
While this primary affects the clippers, this also means Vtubers who aren't as big as the Holo girls receive less attention and recognition. Takamaru did tons of clips of Roberu, and it has been months since they stopped. Staz was one of the best, most consistent, and succesful StarsEN clippers when Tempus first started, and I suspect they stopped because of this issue. Jello Clips is one of my favorite clippers, and they went from weekly uploads to monthly, and they are one of the only clippers who does compilations featuring both HoloEN and StarsEN, and some of these are the most viewed clips featuring the EN boys, for sure a huge amount of people got to know them through his clips. Many other clippers like yourself and Universe/GalaxyVtuber have had to create a second but smaller channel to keep being a clipper viable.
It is not only clippers being affected. I hope Cover recognizes this issue and resorts to sponsoring said clippers themselves, I really think it would be worth it for them.
reaction video and vtuber clipper are totally different, with reaction video people watch reactions after watching the original while clipper watcher watching clip only while never watching the original video. It create situation where a talent is popular but gain less because people rather watch the clip than the original vod
It’s amazing how UA-cam, who clearly benefits from any video being monetized, will go out of their way to demonetize the very channels that make them money. They honestly owe a lot to clippers for helping make Vtubers more popular, and by extension their streaming services more profitable over the years.
If anything, I think the decision of UA-cam to demonetize clippers will only affect the vtuber community negatively. Seriously, I came to know so many vtubers I would have never found out otherwise through clips.
The discoverability of clippers by the UA-cam algorithm was super helpful to increase vtuber engagement/viewers organically. I know it was a nuanced topic due to being reuploads. But I hope companies like Hololive and Nijisanji who stream mainly on YT will at least try to change YT’s mind, for their own good if nothing else.
I think it's separate. Maybe. The way I see it, being demonetized means that UA-cam won't share any of the revenue from your videos. Because even on channels that said they got demonetized, I still get ads from their videos, and if there's ads, that means there's ad revenue that go somewhere. I don't know though, I only have a tiny channel where I just upload some of my videos to share to my friends, so I don't even plan to get any kind of money out of it.
I fell in love with your channel due to your Roberu clips and they were some of my favorite vtuber content that I often share to get new people into JP vtubers! Thank you for all your hard work! The state of YT is truly frustrating. I had started a clipping channel myself but never monetized it because I knew it wouldn't be worth the trouble. I agree that clips are fundamental to the success of vtubers and it's sad that the clippers don't get the support they deserve. In the end we can only rely on their continuing passion and love for their favorite vtubers. No matter if you decide to continue clipping or not, you should be proud of what you have done! As long as you have fun, I think that's what matters the most. Good luck on your future endeavors!
they allow a chick who barely even reacts to anything and sits there with a confused and lost look on her face to rake it in, but people who take the time and effort to translate things are the ones reusing content? completely makes sense 😅
If anything it indicates just how little a creator has to do to make their videos 'transformative' enough to count for monetization. Clearly, the actual act of translating should be considered as transformative, but in YT's eyes currently it is not...so people need to get around that with the directions YT gives about what is and is not acceptable. They do have guidelines. However it comes with more work.
Channels that avoid being hit with demonetisation are those that add something to the original clips. That does not necessarily mean not being faithful to the original clip or misrepresenting it in someway with an outside spin on a clip....they simply do not want to see unmodified clips that have had no other 'value' added to them. React content can be some of the laziest content (it exists on a spectrum...not all react content is bad) it's possible to make and yet just a small amount of commentary is all that's required.
Clippers that get hit first typically do the following...
*No unique intro(s) or outro(s) to their clips* ...they just go straight into the clip (this means creators have to work to make something unique to their channel)
*They do not modify the original content at all* other than adding subs (Now, that's controversial because obviously that involves a significant amount of work and should, in my view, be regarded as transformative) ...but, they need to also edit the original clip in some way...modifying focus/zoom etc i.e. you have a collab stream and someone does something funny then don't just carry on showing the same original clip as is, zoom on that person or someone else's reaction etc...don't leave it static and unchanged is what I'm getting at...hard to explain, but you get the point. No edits and simply replaying a clip is going to get ban hammered. It also avoids the problem of getting flagged because multiple people have used the exact same material...which is common...people clip the same parts for obvious reasons. Just today I've watched three of the same clips by different clippers of Foobs saying a rude word, 'mokkori', in a stream with Miko...that's a problem.
*Addition of their own creative elements* (many add meme images/clips/sounds etc...yes this can be tricky, but done appropriately is fine and is definitely transforming the original content)
*They do not create anything outside of clips that is unique to their channel* ...another tricky one that involves more work...something/anything with commentary, some original animation or music video (not within everyone's capability), News of upcoming events, something tangential to clips...merch unboxing, review commentary, there are now multiple hololive games (holocure, idol showdown, Aquarium, the new one I can't remember the name of etc)...reviews, guides, gameplay series and lo and behold you have a bunch of original, unique to your own channel, content. There's loads of stuff people could do, but don't.
At the end of the day, if you want to be paid then you kind of have to accept that you're probably going to have to work for it. Or, you do it as a hobby, maybe try and get some income from donations or other sources of monetisation etc but accept that it might not be much.
UA-cam just hate not monetizing good stuff it annoying to see it happen all the time to good channels all the time
This is basically a massive loss to vtubers who are streamers.
I will miss the vtuber clipping era. I watched so much Holostars and Nijisanji clips on your channel. I love channels like yours and NekoMikkuri who clip anything they like/want. There’s so many others who I won’t remember but your work built this community as much as any vtuber original content did.
Thank you for all the hard work we wouldn't have able to keep up with theirs streams🍀.
This is a really unlucky situation and the fact that you can't do anything about it is the worst. Now youtube is even enforcing the adblock countering while gatekeeping more derivative work.
UA-cam has been this way for too long... when everything is developed and decided based on data, algorhithms, and AIs, the human element is lost. What AI is going to discern wether a Clip is a Repost or a genuine Translation? None, because implementing that won't increase profits.
I really dislike bs like this. punish people who put in time and effort yet allow their golden children to run around like rabid lunatics.
Please UA-cam. Stop hurting translators and clippers. There is no clearer definition of transformative work as editing content together into a short summary and translating it to another language.
It sucks. I need my dose of Roberu Nightmea clips to stay healthy. Good luck dealing with that bs.
And yet sssniperwolf can watch YT content with her mouth wide open not saying a thing and she's one of the biggest people on YT. It really bugs me that UA-cam is at such a size now that one really has representation. I'm sorry you're going through this, unfortunately every policy UA-cam changes effectively kill's certain genres of video.
I think this is the fight between react channels and clippers. Clippers "reuse content" to bring attention to much much longer content abd credit the creator. React channels use all of the content of other creators and add a few words. UA-cam should probably tweak that rule so that clipping is treated more like channel advertising
It really keeps getting worse, it all started with them removing community cc from videos years ago
It is a shame this problem exists even tho it is a core to the Vtuber industry. I have only been able to know various Vtubers thanks to you clippers
Maple Leaf's descriptions in themselves should qualify his work as fully original content.
In all seriousness though, hopefully you and the other high effort clips out there can get through this bullshit. I completely understand backing away from this system for something more stable too, though.
Dang I wish I can pinch in. I love all you clippers out there but I have to prioritize my cashflow so I can retire early. When I feel that I have a stable cashflow I'll come back to you all!
I wish they did better
the EU is introducing AI laws, this could possibly lead to some changes on youtube. just to keep in mind. I agree though that it is strange clippers getignored
This is the most massive L to the UA-cam, and I am so sorry that you had to go through man. Clippers not only introduce the viewers of the vtubers, both in Indie and Company, but this vtuber community grew more and more thanks to you and your clipper community!~
Thank you for your hard work!
I say this objectively: Clippers are fighting a losing battle. Against both yt & the community. They were once heroes of the people who gave everyone access to japanese streamers they otherwise couldn't understand, but have began to lose that goodwill in recent years with the rise of click/horny baiting thumbnails or taking talents out of contents to make them look worse, causing people to see clippers as leeches piggybacking off of the talents. Don't mistake this as a personal attack because I haven't said that you specifically are, or that anyone in particular is (except Kami Clips. Fuck kami for the damage he did to Kiara's reputation). I say this to be objective: Clippers have largely fallen from grace in the public eye with exceptions like Kenji Clips (formerly It's Maggin Time Clips) & gaining back sympathy & support against YT's large-scale demonitization of clippers isnt something that can be done easily or alone.
Hum... I strongly disagree about the public opinion thing. What you see is the extremely small, but extremely vocal minority attacking clippers. The vast, increadibly large majority understand the importance of clippers and love them. On the other hand, them loving clippers doesn't mean they won't be critical of the bad ones.
you’re vastly generalising things. maybe in your own circle you think it was the case because of your own mindset. but in my circle it was never the case.
I feel this mess was caused by the sheer glut of EN clippers clipping the same things if not also involving attempts to sic YT on the competition.
Most of the questionable trends you mention stem from the EN clipper explosion
Oh fudg i discover vtubers through clippers and even tho im subscribe to most of vtubers now i watched a lot more of clips than their vods especially when i dont have much free time. idk about the others but this will be a big L for me as a clip watcher.
Tight on money but I love your content
In my opinion, there are some clippers whos still can monitize their channel, its about the edit, if your edit not "creative" enough then the ai will recognize your video as "reused content", and then about this situation i belive that the one whos solved this is the company from the vtuber like hololive or nijisanji etc, they could talk to youtube about this, well that was my opinion, i hope clippers get a good future about this, because even tho a little, monetize is very important for even just for "award" their works for community
man. that's depressing
well there's always the debut option which some clippers have done while still being clippers
The fact that I can't monetize any of my own clips is one of the reasons I don't clip anymore. Granted, I'm not necessarily the best editor...but the more I learned to make the clip interesting, the longer it took to edit, and the more difficult it became to even keep up with clipping and getting videos out on a regular basis..and then I also have to make a damn thumbnail! I already work 40 hours a week..there are not enough hours in the day to make decent clips unless it was like maybe a couple minutes per clip with super limited editing and a basic ass thumbnail. And at that point, why even do it?
It's just sad that UA-cam doesn't understand how important it is for clippers to exist because it does bring people to the Vtubers they are clipping.
😮, well, what can i say, does UA-cam try to start a war with clipping channel fan, did UA-cam really want to mess with the fan that like clipping channel, because i have many points. One of them is, can UA-cam explain why they always attack and shutdown any arts related to Japan but don't make any action if it is west related. i just realize if we push the report button, they will ask a question and two of it is violence, or brutal. But they don't shutdown when the cartoon, omni-man beat his son to death. Omni-man beat his son and make him look like a crippled and his son blood splash everywhere when he got punch in the face. Did youtube that has superior algorithm suddenly have thecnical issue when it's related to western arts.
English clips are beneficial to me, cause timezones kinda hinder me from watching some of the HoloEN girls.
It bugs me how reaction videos are fine but clipping isn't, personally I do kind of dislike when people clip from singing streams since it does feel like "Hey just direct people to the og video" and kind of the same when a clipper doesn't add subtitles and just reposts raw video but as someone who also does translated clips a bit on my other channel (nowhere near ad monetisation level though atm, I kind of see it as something that would be nice rather than a serious goal) it's annoying to think that something you can take multiple evenings on can be treated as if you've done nothing of your own and just stolen content.
Meanwhile someone can watch a video for however long it runs, make the "about to inhale a hotdog face" and that's "original content".
I'll keep at it since my reasons for translation really are just sharing stuff I want other people to see from streams I'm watching and trying to constantly use Japanese in aid of learning it but it's annoying to know UA-cam are acting like this.
Would it work if you add a brief commentary/reaction to clips? Kind of similar to daily dose of internet.
I dunno, I figured it'd just be annoying to viewers.
@@oboretaiwritingch.2077 I don't know, it's worth a try and get some feedback over it, if people like it or not. If people don't mind at all and it makes your video monetizable, may as well do it
@@oboretaiwritingch.2077although there is no proof yet,
In my opinion, you should make an intro with your own voice in each uploaded clip at least 5-10 seconds before entering the clip,
and at the end of clip, you also create a narrative in your own voice
(it's better with a facecam, wearing a mask is also okay if you don't want your face to be fully visible)
a good example is like the second channel "Jshay too"
but unfortunately. Of the 18 videos, only 2 clips have narration, and even the clips can be up to 16 minutes long...
What I've seen is that many clippers only use voice narration in a few clips. for example, 100 video clips, with an average duration of 10 minutes. only 10-20 videos use narration, the rest are clips as usual...
this is just my suggestion
may you see this🙏
@@oboretaiwritingch.2077although there is no proof yet,
In my opinion, you should make an intro with your own voice in each uploaded clip at least 5-10 seconds before entering the clip,
and at the end of clip, you also create a narrative in your own voice
(it's better with a facecam, wearing a mask is also okay if you don't want your face to be fully visible)
a good example is like the second channel "Jshay too"
but unfortunately. Of the 18 videos, only 2 clips have narration, and even the clips can be up to 16 minutes long...
What I've seen is that many clippers only use voice narration in a few clips. for example, 100 video clips, with an average duration of 10 minutes. only 10-20 videos use narration, the rest are clips as usual...
this is just my suggestion
may you see this🙏
Come to think of it if it does get worse there could be a rather daft solution, "mute" reaction videos lol, just stick a frame around the clip and some really simple avatar that changes expression at points and call it a rection video.
Maybe make the frame and avatar really badly drawn just to emphasise it's there just to take the piss and avoid youtube AI's wrath.
It is everything absolutely automated.
There's no way they would pay humans to oversee all the amount of content posted, while also understanding the purpose and the context of the videos.
That would only be feasible in a sort of "wiki", crowd sourced content platform, but i doubt youtube plans of abandoning the cash flow.
🫂
At the end of the day, youtube is a business and they don't really care about something that's not actively making them money, which sucks. I'm not against someone making some ad revenue from clipping. It's not food off my table or anyone elses for that matter if a good quality clipper gets some compensation for the hours of work they do for the community. I'd rather the ad revenue go to someone who actually puts work into translating and editing instead of some bottom feeder react youtuber. It's your choice if you keep clipping or not, but your clips were among my favourites because you covered content nobody else did.
The best shot requires meetings of.various heads (vtubing agencies and whoever is in charge of the youtube sector) and I'm doubtful any of them have a complete picture of things.
It's hard to say what youtube feels as it's mostly free range AI and algorithms left that way in a notion that it'd be a cheaper way of oversight. This also assumes no abuses (a flawed assumption).
Sad part is like I said previously, this issue was in a number of ways, EN clipper made.
Algorithms going great lengths to stop clippers but allow reaction content to exist is laughable.
One takes tremendous amounts of translating, scripting and editing, not to mention time watching the streams as well.
The other just needs a facecam and recording software. Yikes.
Sorry this is happening to you and all the clippers. A lot of us wouldn't be here if it weren't for the work you all do. I'll _never_ forgive YT if they kill off all clippers.
With that said, do you know if and whether it would affect "official" clippers for talents. I'm thinking like many of the Nijisanji clippers who are linked to by the talents. I'm hoping some of the bigger corpos (like Hololive and Nijisanji) could use some of their weight to see if they can have YT back off. I know they know that this is mutually beneficial for them as it is for clippers doing their thing.
UA-cam doesn't care about anything that wont make them insane amounts of money
this is just my observation, i think i saw some clippers cut part of the screen a bit smaller as long as the vtuber model is shown talking with necessary occasional focus on object that being talked about. example : Vtubers : "you know about this thing (you focus zoom on items on the screen while parts on the upper and left side being cut a bit)"
.
i dont know if it works, but worth a try if you still wanna do clipping.
Doesn't work as far as I'm concerned. I've seen other channels that put in way, way more editing in their clips still getting demonetized.
Haven't it crossed your mind that you got demonetized for clickbaiting with sexual innuendos? Lmao
If you truly think that way, why not go Kami Clips Route?
Make Patreon, membership, whatever, you can make it works. They prove it that they can.
Holoyume, kazuma sensei, jshay translation, vtube tengoku, sushi, to name a few. They make it works.
You saying that you are no different with channel that make content about "talking about a movie" Or "music they don't compose" Or "tiktok reupload" but also saying "my clip is different, Mine have story, background, blablabla" Is just hypocrite.
You Yourself are the one that demeaning all your "hard work" And "High Quality" Video as no different than those money grabs content. THEN don't make a surprise Pikachu face When UA-cam actually Strike You and deemed it as "copy" Or "reupload" Content.
Point is, I believe people who talk about movies and sing *DO* deserve to be monetized. I'm arguing against people who said "you gotta create something original to be worthy of monetization".
The notion that you're only worthy of monetization if your content is "100% original" is ludicrous, especially when in the case of Vtubers, may I remind you the Vtubers themselves want more clips of themselves since it is literally free advertisement, even if we pretend I don't translate anything.
@@oboretaiwritingch.2077 Exactly. I too agree about that. So, why not focused on the way that works then?
Like many of the clippers I mentioned above?
They can make clips semi-regularly and they seems to be ok monetization/money wise.
Why focus on things that was out of your control, and not just focus on how to work around it like many already did.
Even those "movie recap" Channel, or "music cover" Channel, and even the "tiktok reupload" Channel must've done something that works for their kind of "content".
They survive, and they're ok money wise.
Why Not Oboretai?
Btw I have something to add. I see a problem with clipping channels that translate like yours. Perhaps Alphabet is likely going to release an upgraded AI translator service to boost its revenue by cutting back on costs and requiring client channels for paying AI services
Clipping community in UA-cam just evolved.
Backwards.
Back to ye ol' days when clipping is for personal consumption and just a simple gallery people do out of pure hobby. No money involved. And very few and far in between.
Please explain to me how does a clipper being paid inconvenience you as a viewer then. Most UA-camrs, even Vtubers also started off as unpaid hobbies, but being paid is what allowed them to keep going with consistent uploads.
As a viewer, you'll be seeing ads on other UA-cam vids anyway, and you're also allowed to skip ads on clips no different than any other vids.
So please explain how is it "evolving backwards" when clippers want to be paid fairly for the efforts they put in?
@@oboretaiwritingch.2077 I don't have beef with you bro, I just Simply write the Situation As It Is. Because IT IS WHAT IT IS.
What I write is all there is to it. Nothing more nothing less.
Don't fent your frustration on me bro.
@@oboretaiwritingch.2077 AHH, I see now why you so snarky on my comments. You just finished your wall of text reply to @richardgrant726 huh. AND SUDDENLY PAINT ME THE SAME AS HIM.
WOW
Learn to read without bias bro.
Don't put words I don't write on my comments and suddenly trying to be the MORAL HIGH GROUND on replying to me.
The situation just changed. IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND I WILL ELABORATE MORE HERE.
Just like the time where Prank UA-camr got "OUSTED" of UA-cam, this is just your turn. Or OUR TURN as Vtuber Clipper. IT IS WHAT IT IS. HISTORY JUST REPEAT ITSELF WITH DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. is it fair, DEBATABLE. Can it be Stopped, MIGHT BE NOT. So what then?
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
@@thetcaseaway4306 I'm not trying to vent anything. I'm just asking why you would think that clipping community is "evolving backwards".
I do agree with your sentiment that at this rate UA-camr clipper is gonna be chased off UA-cam, but the way you deliberately term it as "evolving backwards" clearly sounded more like you're trying to pin the blame on clippers. If that wasn't your intention, then I apologize, but also word your opinion better next time.
@@oboretaiwritingch.2077 @oboretaiwritingch.2077 AHH, I see now why you so snarky on my comments. You just finished your wall of text reply to @richardgrant726 huh. AND SUDDENLY PAINT ME THE SAME AS HIM.
WOW
Learn to read without bias bro.
Don't put words I don't write on my comments and suddenly trying to be the MORAL HIGH GROUND on replying to me.
The situation just changed. IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND I WILL ELABORATE MORE HERE.
Just like the time where Prank UA-camr got "OUSTED" of UA-cam, this is just your turn. Or OUR TURN as Vtuber Clipper. IT IS WHAT IT IS. HISTORY JUST REPEAT ITSELF WITH DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. is it fair, DEBATABLE. Can it be Stopped, MIGHT BE NOT. So what then?
IT IS WHAT IT IS.
Clippers had a good run making money off of popular works by others - did people really start clipping for money, or as a hobby? Be real, clippers got lucky and then apparently grew this entitled attitude towards being paid for it.
Take the loss. Make peace with the fact that you have to work like a normal guy...
The idea that you are actively marketing VTubers off your own back, and should therefore get paid, is kinda ridiculous. Find another job you can start doing without being asked/hired and then demand payment if it works for you.
I would agree with you if clippers getting paid means a loss for someone else. But tell me, say some other UA-camrs were able to make some money reviewing movies they did not make, or covering a music they did not compose, would you also call them "entitled"?
Whether a clipper is being paid for ad revenue or not *does not inconvenience you as the viewer in any way.* So, tell me why should we not be paid?
Clippers started clipping out of hobby, yes, but at a point to be able to continue making high quality clips on a consistent schedule, being paid fairly for our efforts is a good motivator preventing clippers from burning out.
You may argue "all you did was put texts over a vid of someone else streaming", so let alone the amount of editing that went into it, are you saying clippers didn't put in the efforts to learn the language to be able to translate the language?
And now yes I am literally asking for donations *but I made clear only if you can afford and want to donate. If you can't or don't want to, you don't have to, the clip will still be there for free.*
So again I ask, why should clippers not be paid for the efforts they put into their work and how is it different from every other form of derivative UA-camr? Because all I'm seeing is you just saying "oh go get a real job" on your high horse, apparently also ignoring the parts of my video that I already mentioend I already have a "real job".
@@oboretaiwritingch.2077 demanding to be paid, just because you think you ought to be, is ridiculous (sorry to say). There is no basis for your assumption that you should be paid for making subtitles for someone else's video, other than "I want to be."
Just because you learn a language and use it in your free time to translate some stuff, doesn't make it a payable job... Learning anything that you want to learn does not entitle you to demand payment for using those skills in your free time.
Quality is irrelevant, you could do it with the most basic software you can find. They're subtitles. Type them up and sync them over a video?
You are not "creating" anything, so if you are not hired as a translator, why should anyone pay you? Can't understand your position on this. You were benefitting from others' success, now you can't. It's a shame for clippers, but you are not entitled to be paid for something, just because you feel it's worth money. For those who believe it is, I wish you luck on Patreon.
@@richardgrant726 Again I ask, how is it different from any other types of UA-camrs who also started from hobbies and now made it into a paying job then?
They started doing it for free, then making money became an option, and from then the "hobby" turns into something they can benefit from. Hell, a lot of Vtubers also started as hobbies. Would you tell them because they sang as hobbies, they're not allowed to make money from their songs then?
@@oboretaiwritingch.2077 You're comparing yourself to a creator, which you are not. You're clearly not going to see that you are complaining about not receiving money while using a 3rd party platform to post 3rd party content (with subtitles), which does not entitle you to anything.
Good luck on Patreon.
@@richardgrant726 Then I ask again *how is it different from someone making money talking about a movie they did not make or covering a song they did not compose?*
And again, whether or not we qualify as "creators" or not doesn't matter when the Vtuber agencies themselves acknowledge the contribution clippers has as free advertisement for them and therefore gave permission for us to monetize.
Your are one of my favorites clippers, wherever you go, I will follow you.