Is VShojo 'Better' Now?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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For people asking why I didn't put Geega--its bc she wasn't a poach, which primarily is what this video centers around
You can shape the narrative based what fact you choose to put in
He also didn't mention Haruka for the same reason.
In the professional world (aka business, like capital-B Business and not play-acting business), "Poaching" is hiring staff away while they are currently employed. In the case of Henya, Kuro, and Matara, they had left their former organizations and were available ("free agency", so to speak). VShojo picked them up as talents. That's not poaching.
Let's assume they weren't actual poaches but signed on only after they had finalized their graduation requirements (this can be months before graduation btw as in the case of Mysta).
Now here's what I see with Vshojo and it's hard to tell if this is true, only time will tell but. After having lost their most problematic talents, the company started to thrive. In all likelihood, the two of the three that left may have required extra attention from Vshojo management, if only to keep new fires being started. With Henya being brought on, not only is she drama free but her unbridled enthusiam motivated Ironmouse, Haruka, Froot, Zen and the others to collab internally once more, far more than they were just a few weeks prior.
With the additions of Geega, Kuro, and Matara we shee the company thriving as they were waiting in the wings and were brought on in very quick succession.
This may have motivated other Twitch Indies or former corpo VTubers to join in the future, or at least inquire with the company.
As for the audition thing so much happened around, the Nux Taku situation obviously didn't help, but I think there is a problem with open auditions, and that is the companies needs. In Vshojos case because they are on Twitch, they need streamers that already knew how to market themselves and can grow their own channel as the algorithm won't do that for you, not on Twitch anyways - I suspect that the vast majority of streamers that did audition were the very tiny streamers that had no audience and did no marketing but looking for their shot in the dark hoping Vshojo would propel them to greatness
deadass though i legit had no idea geega existed until like, 2 weeks ago. then when i found her i felt bad because of how old her channel was pfffft.
In the business world, the time lag between how a corporation is actually doing and how the public perceives it is actually doing always lags by at least several months. Because the public only sees the results, not the trouble that is brewing or the great things that are planned.
You mean if the company went all the trouble to do something obviously terrible, that has to be next level stupid
@@akira8393 Sometimes missteps, mistakes, etc. do happen in a public way, but even in these cases it's often the result of things that have been going on for months or even years prior. Like a company that is getting progressively more out of touch with its audience as time goes on, or management making repeated bad decisions because the wrong people are in charge, etc. But the best example here is members leaving. It's not like they just one day decided to up and leave. Likely they first became dissatisfied, then they started to look for better opportunities, and then finally resigned once they had found something better to move on to. The only part of this the public sees is the last part, the member leaving for greener pastures elsewhere.
so again, the point is that all of this and yet not one moment where, wait maybe this is a bad idea. it's either go big or go retarded.@@AccessAccess
@@akira8393Your comment gonna be a fine wine 😂
My man, you have no idea how well your comments have aged in light of recent events at Niji. I wish retweeting is a thing for YTcomments
Ever since the departures, I think Vshojo is a much more cohesive group now more than ever.
They've been collabing with each other and others non-stop the past few months and I'm loving it.
Strangely enough I think the person we have to thank for that is Silver.
As much as I disliked her parting words afterword, it actually kinda showed how disconnected they had become from each other.
They only really came together anymore for big announcements.
I think that prompted Zen to take the lead in organizing collabs and making sure they stay connected to one another so
no-one feels left out or alone and it's been great.
Of course it's the toaster that connects the grid...
Jokes aside, for sure. Zen has this aspect that she wants to do right by her people, and Henya is a natural people magnet. With Henya's appeal and Zen's effort, after the egotistical bints were out things came together.
Now we wait for the next big yab and see if Melody will throw more people under the bus on false pretenses, and whether Mouse will go along with her again now that she has contact with more and better people to sway her view. Froot is a guaranteed point of rot, that much we know.
Zen really has been putting in the logistics and coordination between the members and god bless her. It seems to have created it's own momentum between the other members now.
It’s true, in the months prior the 3 departures, aside from zen and Haruka collabs, it seemed that collabs between vshojo talents were few and far between, and on the rare occasions that they did collab, it felt forced and ackward.
It felt like everyone was going their own ways and that vshojo was turning into a mythic like agency, aka a support company that helps a roster of people that each do their own things instead of being something closer to a team.
It seems that since henya joined, there has been an effort to restore that “team” aspect in vshojo, by having members collabing and talking to each other more often.
honestly Zen is my favorite with all her antics
Zen is my favorite person in Vshojo, none else.
Vshojo is definitely in a better place now and it's all thanks to Niji. I think its great there's a company where big corpo vtubers can go of they don't like their current situation.
The new talents they've picked up are WAY better than the ones who left. I never watched any of the old members who left. I only see Nyanners when she's on Aethels channel.
It started getting better the second that nyan vei & silver left
Henya was the golden hire in my book. That signing was very impactful for more than just one reason. Putting aside the fact she was already a very beloved persona that many bigger names looked up to and virtually no one could have any legitimate issue with, she's such a naturally entertaining package of concentrated wholesomeness that she has a direct effect on many of the people she interacts with. The overall vibe is definitely better with her there, in my humble opinion.
Her and Kson joining just about made it all right in the world, ha - but for real, having an actually seiso member does so much for the dynamic.
I think she's having the role Nazuna was supposed to have, the more wholesome/comfy/cutesy -ball to balance with all the chaotic members, but Nanzuna only appealing to the JP audience and also not streaming a lot made that effect less impactful.
tbh, nazuna seems not to give a fck about vshojo lol@@l0kk016
@@l0kk016 And also, you know, the "insane girlfriend" vibes and outright experience?
@@DinnerForkTongueyeah, I don't know what this dude is smoking. Nazuna is probably the most problematic person left in VShojo. It's a good thing that she's doing more as Mikeneko recently
"VShojo is no stranger to drama and haters" - Depressed Nousagi
Also vshojo is no stranger to love
They know the rules, and so do i
@@Chocoffee_batterya full commitment's what they're thinking of
@@Chocoffee_battery Never gonna give Vshoujo up
Rick Roll'd even on a reply section of a comment... I hate my life.
@@TheNaz_O5-15 you wouldn't get this from any other agency!
I mean, honestly, Henya joining alone tipped the scale in the positive direction for Vshoujo. Not implying anything on the talents themselves, but Henya joining was basically like a light bulb in a sea of darkness for Vshoujo. You have literally the most drama-free wholesome vtuber joining your agency. Rep+++
That's what the brand needed: a skilled entertainer with no real drama baggage and no slutty appeal.
@@DinnerForkTongueshes pretty hot tho
@@akiradkcn The Crocs stay ON
Also, Henya's fan base is wholesome AF. Getting them by signing Henya is double win for Vshojo.
Also, we are well armed and ready for war lol
@@akiradkcn No one is denying Henya is pretty and attractive. What she isn't, is _slutty._
Vshojo seems to have had a bit of a culture shift ever since they picked up Henya, with more emphasis on collabs and interactions between the talent. Most of the roster went out of their way to adopt Henya and include her in as much as possible, and that trend has continued with GEEGA, Kuro, and now Matara Kan. Spending most of the year embracing new members has made that relationship between the talent a lot more prominent.
I think a lot of it is that the people who were just brought in see that level of collaboration as the norm, since they just went through the introductions and then a week or a month later helped adopt someone else, and since it's been going on all year it IS normal now.
A year ago it was a lot more about individual talents, with a few regular 1-1 relationships between talents.
As much as I dislike Silvervale, it might have been her influence.
Collab always been the key
I mean, what are they doing now is the exact same thing what the did when VShojo started. The overall Nux drama and the radical change of attitude of many of the talent were actually the real factor why it happened less and less until the departure of the mentioned
Yeah, I'd agree that it used to be just individual talents, which would undoubtedly lead to people leaving. If you don't feel like the group is there for you, you're more likely to leave at the first better offer, even if it's going independent again.
@@kogorun I remember the clip where Silvervale said she didn't talk with ironmouse for months. I guess ironmouse took note of that and promise to collab more with the members.
Vshojo states is now balanced. We got old members that are very lewd, new people coming in that are wholesome but not afraid to be lewd, and then Henya who will bonk them if they become too lewd.
Everything else aside, I like that Kuro and Matara seem genuinely happy with where they are at now and that they feel more supported. Having a company with the public image that it seems to be helping out vtubers and treating them better than their previous company feels like a step in the right direction for better treatment of the talents and pressure the companies if they want to avoid backlash
Whether or not you're a Vshojo fan, their poaching is the kind of competition that'll make this industry better
Agreed. I don't think Niji's sink-or-swim policy is gonna backfire on them as hard as one could expect, at least initially, since the ones most likely to let themselves be poached are, well, the ones that sink. But considering that both Nina and Mysta were far from being unpopular, if their management continues to cause grievances to their livers, that might be a different story. They need to seriously watch out for a snowball effect.
@@BlaZayat this point it is a trend
Well, tbf poaching is something that is frowned upon in any industry, tho it's still a common practice.
Still the "poached" talent wont be poached if their initial workplace is a good place to begin with
It can make a competition by name but aside that i doubt the name is going anywhere. unless they actually do something cool like the competitive industries, then shit is just all talk but can't walk
@@thejamesonthestreet The fact that there's somewhere out there for these talents to go if conditions in their initial company are unfavorable will, in theory, eventually improve the conditions or contracts in competing companies. Part of this whole deal is that Vtubing in general is a very young field. This is really only about a 4 or 5 year old industry in terms of like serious market share and revenue. Contracts that were made at the beginning were essentially based on nothing, but now that the market has had time to mature, there's some adjustment - growing pains, even - that will require people moving between companies and securing better deals for themselves. Eventually, that should lead to industry-wide adjustments that are favorable to the talents.
After the departures of Veibae, Silvervale, and Nyanners, people were predicting the death of VShojo. Now that they're on the rebound, people are upset because they hired quality available talent rather than unproven VTubers. Seems like they can't win.
I think we can all acknowledge that one of the things that makes Holo and Niji such appealing corporations is that they can get viewers off of the brand of Holo/Niji. VShojo isn't there yet. People want competition for Holo and Niji, but somehow, grief VShojo for not being exactly like Holo and Niji. VShojo is trying to build that kind of brand where the bigger boats can help raise the water level for the smaller boats. To do that, they need more big boats than just Ironmouse.
Yeh, the brand isnt even built yet to shoulder new recruits yet, until then they cant afford to risk both parties
i mean, froot basically debuted by vshojo but yeah ur right
Vshojo will never reach Hololive level of quality and content. I dunno how and why some people think Vshojo will give Hololive a competition they wouldn’t! Because they don’t have the money and they don’t have the good leaders. Hololive reinvest the money they earn back into their company, technology and talents thus further improving their brand. Vshojo is just riding the success of already established and known Vtubers.
I agreed, they just hired vtubers that already have strong fanbase and experience. So Vshojo just isekai heaven for now. So if you compared to corporate agency like holo & Niji, Vshojo still a circle of close friends as far as I see.
@@jackculler1489it's not even that. Brand image is first and foremost. Vshojo established themselves as a "whatever goes" brand and that limits what audience they can reach, and those audience include brands that would want to do collaborations. Brands that want squeaky clean images.
Hololive is such a huge success is because of their clean(er) image than the rest and that allowed them to reach the largest audience possible.
Another case example is Genshin. Genshin is so successful because they give a clean images that everyone can enjoy. Compared to other gacha games with sexual content that can only reach niche audience.
Nyanners, Silvervale and Veibae getting out of Vshojo was probably the best thing that happened to Vshojo. While they lost 3 big creators and it possibly tanked their overall numbers, I think that in the long run this will be way more beneficial to them, since all three are prone to drama like few vtubers I know are on the whole internet. Heck, Nyanners had drama surrounding her even before she even was a vtuber and it never quite went away as she probably wants to, what she did will haunt her probably as long as people remember, and her responses to it only serve to add fuel in the fire and to further back people claim that she’s a hypocrite.
Now if only Froot was to go, Vshojo would be in a better position.
Since most of all the damage and drama did center around her (the HW legacy) as well her extra marital affair (cheaters always cheat).
@@everyonethinksyoureadeathm5773 Froot having an affair, for me personally, is irrelevant. I get why people dislike her for it, but it’s at the end of the day something that’s a private matter of her and that doesn’t concern her career at all, only her perceived image by fans who know she had an affair (which I imagine is a minority, given that she doesn’t address this on the regular like Nyanners with her past). The Hogwarts Legacy thing you have a point tho.
@@MarceloZ2it's not just that necessarily. There's also the fact she can be fairly hypocritical regarding her past stances on the transgender community and the fact she was part of the /k/ community of 4chan, which has a fair few wingnuts
Well, one thing I must say is that back in "old Vshojo" I reguraly watched only Ironmouse. And nowadays there is definetly more people I enjoy to watch in the "New Vshojo", including the non-resurrected ones. Aldo, I never considered Vshojo to be a company for completly new Vtubers.
When Matara and Kuro compliment Vshojo's management, I see Niji has big prob.
For me it was Froot and Mouse
i mean in like, Gamer terms, other companies are like Working for the Royal Guards.. while Vshojo is like a Guild... i would choose a guild.. pffft
@@indra_vrtrahan >froot
kek. I can't decide if I hate the cheating or supporting mermaids more
Silver's exit of Vshojo was certainly something with how she was directing a lot of her anger at others in the company. You are right, she burned a lot of bridges, but clearly she thought it was worth it.
Nyanners and Vei seemed to have left more amicably, though they have their own issues. That said, Nyanners wanting to distance herself from the audience she used to cater to shows more about her character. Vei, however, tends to be a more edgy "fly from the edge of your seat" sort of person. Her video about how Hololive is and, if I remember the video correctly, how she said she spoke to people who left from Hololive suggested that she didn't know anything, given that there was only one departure from the company and that there was no EN branch.
Picking up Henya, Kuro, and Matara are big wins for Vshojo in different ways, as it can change the landscape in the kind of power the talents now have.
Now let's factor this in. If a HoloEN talent left and joined Vshojo in the same time frame as Kuro and Matara? That's going to be a major shift in the industry as a whole.
i dunno if there's a shift when you have the same people doing the same content from previous agencies. hololive isn't where they are just by having people. Vshojo really need someone that can make a break, in a good way. no drama but just something entertaining and can the new highlight of the brand going forward. ironmouse, is the image now, she has the toilet humor and sex crap like a goddamn Pokémon, they need someone that make a big wave be the gura that blows people by the a.
I dunno, I think the Kuro and Matara pickups along with the earlier Kson and Nazuna hires from Holo are probably going to make at least some of the management over at Holo and Niji take some notice. Those companies are bigger, and as this video illustrates, the loss of 1 or 2 talents isn't quite as impactful on them, but one would think that they'll be taking at least some notes on these moves.
If that did happen, it would actually put Vshojo on the level of Niji and Holo, especially in terms of vtubing power dynamics. Until then, Hololive is still on top (at least in the western side. Dunno about JP though, everything there works different).
Gura will be the one to join and probably soon. Will wait till contract ends and boom vshojo will have a new member
It would be a much taller order for vshojo to poach any hololive EN members. They were able to poach from Niji easier because of the poor conditions in the company but the hololive talents as far as we're aware have it fairly good.
I can only that Vshojo being a second chance to graduated talents is one of their strengths among the rest. Like granting them the choice to continue pursuing content creation under a corporate is definitely a good thing. Their brand may not be as big as Holo and Niji but with this quality of theirs, I believe more people would start to watch Vshojo talents with the addition of Kuro and Matara and whenever more talents want to debut under Vshojo as a new life
As for the ex-talents, I can't say much cause I don't know about it.
I think a issue will come if they start poaching talents that did something bad and end up once again a cesspool of problematic talent
That was Vshojos prior issues were caused by
@@mk_gamíng0609sure she never did anything in Vshojo but Nazuna/Mikeneko is the textbook definition of problematic talent, so they obviously don’t have qualms about having them in vshojo.
There’s one element as someone who’s been a fan of VShojo that was kinda pointed by Silvervale as she left that I don’t see people talking about and that is unity. Ever since Henya got on the scene, VShojo has felt more united than ever before and it’s not rare nowadays to see VSJ collabs and big projects like the 3D concert happen. Before 2023, it wasn’t something we saw often and certainly not to the scale we see nowadays and as someone who loves seeing a united group, the pre-Henya Vshojo and the post-Henya VShojo feel almost like 2 different things. Even as a fan, I could sense a certain toxic air to VShojo before but ever since Henya joined, that air seems to have disappeared.
I'd put more weight on the departures than on Henya for the group being closer. It was already happening before Henya's debut.
I kind of agree pre-heyna was more of group collab (mouse and nyan) (zen froot and haruka) (kson and nazuna) (silver and vei) so it was more of being in a group but only hang out more with your best friend and post-heyna I see more collab.
Idk if it was a wake up call by the talents or management but seen them collab more does look like its helping them out
That's really nice to see, didn't know that the collabs aren't that frequent before Henya joining. I'm just glad my oshi finds a new home, and the girls in vshojo welcomes her to the friend group, watching them play together is really fun.
@mightypanada1399 yea they where but as I said it was more of small collabs not as a whole group
When it just got started, VShojo was as collab heavy as it is now. I feel like it's not that VShojo got more unified when Henya joined, but rather that it got more unified when Silver and Veibae left and Henya simply fit way better in the new, more unified VShojo so she helped that development of things going back to how it used to be along.
The thing that sorta leads me to believe that Silver in particular may herself have been the cause of a lot of the problems she attributed to VShojo when she left it is that a lot of the people she started collabing with when she stopped collabing with most other VShojo members have since largely stopped interacting with her as well.
And, you know, most of the drama surrounding her leaving VShojo was directly caused by the comments she made regarding how the rest of VShojo had supposedly abandoned her and her simps just taking that as the truth and never questioning why Silver seemed to have an entirely new group of 'best friends forever' roughly every year since even before the founding of VShojo.
Layna Lazar, for example, used to be 'practically family' a little over a year ago. Nowadays mentioning her in Silver's Twitch chat is soft-banned (by which I mean that Silver will just sorta ignore anyone mentioning her and mods will message you asking you not to bring her up again if you do it too often).
Henya is to wholesome for this world
Kettle for days
100% True
if every vshojo member is henya then people would die to be loyal to vshojo again
I'm sure she is, I just prefer her previous identity.
@@snoozeflu same but i mean so long as she is doing okay and happy, that's fine by me.
I really like the direction that Vshojo is taking, them being able to give a better life for agency Vtubers that dislike their situation, and by incentivising said agencies into giving a better treatment of their members, because they can more easily lose talents from negligence and mistreatment.
overall its existance makes life better for more than their own Vtubers, and thus a better experience for the viewers, at least thats what i want to believe in.
i believe that vshojo is more putting on the roses but not taking out the trash. at least not yet. it's gonna take three beautiful flowers to cover the massive turd
@@akira8393 Vei and Nyanners already left, the trash has been taken out. I liked silver but that slander about Mousey and not being contacted by other members, even though she was, was too much.
@@lucasLSD i mean i dunno, it is the internet i don't trust any of them. it's just the idea that there are some that don't really get along but just pretend for the sake of it.
Another point. no getting rid of trash does not make your image magically better, you still need some squeaky cleaning with soap and other things before you finally look good again
Veibae is an actually bad person the more I think about all the shit she's said and done, history etc. I just got the feeling : Wow, she seems really mean and kinda like .. a narcissistic bully? But maybe I just don't get her? maybe it's just she's bad at expressing hersel-Oh she's also dating Sodapoppin who is an actual bully POS asshole, on an almost comedic schoolyard bully level...
Yeah, I think that's all I needed to hear.
Yet they have so many viewers, does that make them bad people? Get over yourself
@Soogooroo i dont think having viewers means you're not bad. Because i can say the same thing about Sneako ykwim
@@Soogooroo you know people watch movies about Hitler, right?
@@KhezuOnYourScreen Let me rephrase, they have so many viewers, does that make the viewers bad people? Simple answer really.
@@Soogooroo lol she literally said a slur the month after she left Vshojo.
I considered Nyan and Silvervale to be big losses but I didn't care less about Vei. Gaining Henya, Kuro and Matara has done a lot to fill the void, along with adding Geega. Leaving aside drama, it creates a sense of definite momentum and gives the appearance that a lot of quality vtubers *want* to be in VShojo over big agencies. Essentially if Hololive is the WWE of vtubers and Nijisanji the WCW, VShojo is the AEW.
That’s been a joke that I feel like that pops up since Henya
I agree with Silvervale but Nyan? Nah… Nyan and Vie are both liabilities glad they left. Personality wise Nyan and Vei are just bullies, they nasty people irl.
@@jackculler1489 Eh, anyone with an Internet history as long as Nyan's is bound to step on a few rakes, and nobody can please anyone. I personally think she's fine, but everyone will have a different take on her.
@@jackculler1489 I felt Nyan was the only one who impacted anything by leaving, Silver was always kind of in her own world same as Vei but Nyan was more regular with the rest of the group.
Side note, I met Nyan and Aethel at AX (off camera) and she was one of the nicest people in this industry ive met in the past few years
lmao I like the wrestling analogy
I am not a fan of any company per say, I enjoy mostly Holo vtubers, some Niji, some Vshojo, some indie, but I do not understand why people have such a hard time accepting Vshojo taking the "fallouts" of Holo or Niji. Vshojo never marketed itself as a company that takes you to the next level or anything, like a Niji or Holo taking small vtubers and turning them into big names, I've always seen Vshojo as an agency that helps you with the side stuff and that lets their members be a part of a big family. I think people try to project the Holo/Niji style of agency into Vshojo when it has never been their strategy to begin with, and so people call out for "nepotism" and such when like, yeah ? People join because their friends are in it ? And they can create a big family ? They never claimed they wanted to be the next Hololive.
And I am not sure that people who call Vshojo a "retirement home" are aware of what's actually a retirement home.
I've always have said it over and over again but im just tired to say it at this point. I'll leave someone else saying it
Hardly a "family" when Silvervale, Vei, and Nyanners left with one or two of them having had a falling out within the agency. Nazuna has also become less active as of late on the Japanese side of things and instead started focusing on her personal life likely because she feels better not streaming on TTV with fewer views.
To me, just like any other business, the words like "family" are just buzzwords to make themselves seem more than what they actually are. They are not the worst VTuber agency out there (save that for WACTOR or AkioAIR) but I think even the most loyal supporters would know VShojo still has a few bumps on the road.
@@__BlankStudiosSounds about right for most families I know. Drama, people leaving and not talking.
@@__BlankStudios I mean it still seems to help there talent. Mata is a big proof of that when she was surprised that her manager... was fucking helping her. We not gonna act as if Niji is somewhat better with there talent than Vshojo
@@ethanvicorthat's a broken family not a real family, my condolences for not knowing the difference.
She's not a poach but I really love the addition of Geega, she's very social with other members and you can feel her presence during most vshoujo streams. Its like shes a bridge for other members to collab with each other.
Same goes to henya honestly. I'd assume the vshojo talents focused on making the newer members feel more welcomed especially since the 3 joined after having such really rough situations before they left they previous groupa
So you mean geega was not an already existing Vtuber thag got sniped and redressed by Vshojo?
@@TiredDoktor6391 We mean that Geega was already an existing indie talent that joined.
I wouldn't say Vshojo's image is healing or improving per say. It's mostly just fans of the previous talents moving over to support said talent. That said the more controversial people already left VShojo so it's hard to say what the company's future is gonna be like
Ya, fandom follows the talent, which puts Vshojo in a pretty sweet spot right now. Lewdcast people, Pikame people, Coco people - all coalescing into a big blob of lols
What's improving here, and I think is really good for Vshojo, is the level of peofessionalism. Kson is highly professional, Mousey keeps upping her game, and the "new" talents all seem quite capable as performers.
While to put it bluntly, the ones who left went from not very professional, to not even in the ballpark. And it's hard to increase quality levels when you have a lot of unprofessional behavior going on. So I feel like Vshojo is moving upwards with these changes.
The industry itself feels like it's maturing, and it's good to see. Broaden the audience. "Edgy mean girl with no filter" doesn't help with that.
I’m curious what do you mean by professional (I can kinda guess how the three that left are unprofessional) but how are kson and ironmouse more professional ( not trying to diss them just curious)
@@infamouse9263 I mean professional as an adjective describing their work. Like, I remember reading some people who worked with Sean Connery who said he was amazing to work with because he wasn't just a good actor, he was aware of how to make scenes better, how to film more efficiently, and so the quality of the end product ended up better across the board. Committed to results, not just performance.
Kson in particular comes off as not only wanting to do a good job, but treating her job as a career. Costume and makeup tutorials, appearances at various conventions, game collabs, so much material that she gets recognition for. She's got the work ethic, and furthermore that awareness of making effective product. She's quite deliberately building a brand.
And Mousey is limited by her medical condition, but she seems similarly motivated to do a reliably good job. She has that awareness of presentation, she works well with others, she's obviously concerned with being an effective spokesperson for her causes.
So basically they're both talents that other people want to work with/hire, because they know how to produce good results and can be relied on. There's so much amateur flakiness in the vtuber space, and they're the opposite of that.
(A non VShojo example would be Rin Penrose. She regularly writes full scripts for hour-long performances. Like after her computer died, she wrote a "BBC news" segment about What Happened To Rin, where she "reported" on the events. Also the skrunkly competition show.)
@@mukansamonkey thank you I see so many people actually say the opposite without ever describing their reason but honestly I couldn’t agree more with you
That was a great insightful read thanks man.
Vshojo is quickly becoming the indie style retirement home for Vtuber graduates from the other big companies... and I have zero problem with this. 😂
the most accurate description for Vshojo. Nursing home for retired Vtubers 😂
It was always Gunrun’s plan
If by retirement you mean working just as much, but with better conditions and bigger numbers then I agree, I guess.
@@guilguis4820 it's not like they're that old. Except maybe for roach mom lmao.
@@guilguis4820 better conditions i agree, bigger numbers not quite there yet. the biggest difference is they're much more laidback than before.
cause lookin at kson now than before, it hasn't quite reached that high yet, as well as nazuna they didn't really get bigger. that's why its a retirement home.
people still know them but not quite to the same standard as their peak in their former forms.
Vshojo is that company that only hires programmers with 20 years of experience in a programming language that has only existed for two years.
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So you typical commiefornia company?😂
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Oops, didn’t see that snake there, cool top hat though!
@@jakalder
Negative attention from me is not a replacement for the absentee father figure in your life.
Go outside, touch grass.
Found another snake in a grass, it told me that you're the weirdo of the family
That's an unfair comparison. Programming is a market here to stay, vtubing is a bubble that can burst at any time. Different business strategies.
Nepotism works for Vshojo and people are mad about it. Considering they constantly interact on stream, taking in new friends and already established vtubers and their fanbases it’s a MASSIVE DUB. Members leaving (regardless of how you feel about them personally) in a way made it a perfect time to debut new members that everyone recognized.
indeed, they can skip the scan procress easily cuz time is money, unlike other corps where they have to invest a lot of time and ressources to check their background etc. like hololive which takes them years now to push for new gens, but with high quality obviously
its jsut common knowledge, which lots of people lack off unfortunately and gets jealous so fast, that they dont get a chance to join vshojo themselves....perfect example of bad behavior would be the drama between calli and some twitter warriors xD
This. Why are people upset when a group of friends hire more friends? If they're going to be consistently on screen together, they need to be friends with one another.
Does it suck that they said auditions were open regardless of size, and then only picked large friends? Sure.
Would it be dumb of them to hire someone they don't know who is small and unproven instead of one of their large friends? Also yes.
People bitching about nepotism in an industry operating 100% on clout is ridiculous
I feel like those who accuse vshojo for nepotism don't understand the definition of nepotism.
Nepotism implies the "talent" is talentless.
"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means" -Indigo Montoya
@@ZeroXSEED If I remember correctly they did have the audition process like a year ago for Haruka and yes I can see how in that specific situation nepotism would be upsetting for some people. BUT if it’s like this? No audition process, but giving opportunity to friends who you interact with constantly and include them for your job?? Where the main premise is interaction with streamers? Come on now, if anything nepotism is what makes most sense if you truly want an entertaining and marketable friend group that are sure to be successful.
People leaving a company shouldn't be a big deal. In the "real world", even if you love working at your current company, sometimes you have to job hop to significantly increase your salary or find career growth.
"2023 has not been a kind year for many Vtuber agencies." Wait until you hit the 2024 Niji arc.
Oh boy.. dont get me started with it.
Eh, Vshojo certainly has it's issues and the sustainability of the whole agency is questionable at best, but honestly, it doesn't really matter. They've set an invaluable precedent by proving many times that there is very much life after traditional agencies. Which was something the majority of the fans and even the talents themselves likely doubted years ago. With all of it's undeniable upsides, one of the most disturbing aspects of vtubing in traditional corporations is that a talent's entire career and years of work can be erased overnight. It's akin to your employer legally forbidding you from putting your experience from there on your CV. But by now it's been kinda debunked. Which is a great thing. Great for the fans, as a graduation is no longer such a dreaded event, knowing that the talent is either 100% leaving on their own volition, ready to move on, and if not then every door is open to them to re-establish themselves while keeping their hardcore audience. And great for the talents because it removes one of the biggest leverages agencies had over them, who are now somewhat forced to provide better treatment and contracts if they want to keep their talents. Hypothetically at least. Gotta say though that another major part of this is that luckily the community doesn't treat forbidden knowledge as some sort of heretic taboo anymore, which ultimately benefits everyone.
Vshojo as an agency is kinda problematic, but they are a positive influence on vtubing. Even if you disagree with everything they embody, the one undeniable thing is that their aggressive hiring, borderline poaching, is putting some pressure on, to a lesser extent Hololive, but absolutely on Nijisanji to think through what they can and can't get away with.
The fact that Kson (Kiryu Coco), Nazuna (Uruha Rushia), Henya (Pikamee), Kuro (Mysta Rias), and Matara (Nina Kosaka) are not only all in VShojo but they don't even bother pretending to be someone else (they can't change their voices) helps force people to stop being so angry at forbidden knowledge being public knowledge.
@@Serocco This kind of backlash is usually from the hardcore traditionists who still strictly look at vtubing as an extension of the Japanese idol industry. Which WAS the case at one point but vtubing as a whole has evolved far beyond that and became kind of a medium of it's own with it's numerous subgenres. Only one of which is their idea of vtubing. And looking at how miserably toxic the idol industry is in every conceivable way, I'm kinda glad vtubing managed to avoid the same fate by branching out and diluting what it originally was.
@@vencelfoldi8236 Definitely a year ago I still saw comments saying things like how a vtuber's past self is dead, their vtuber identity is all they are. Some vtubers are formerly idols and thus vtubing was a way for talents to keep doing what they are passionate, skilled and experienced at even past their "idol age limit."
Their positive influence has little effect if they only keep hiring well known vtubers or network hires. Indies would still take their chance with large corpos than Vshojo.
Not to mention putting pressure on Hololive and Niji? Yeah no. People talk as if contract is the end all be all. If that were the case then Holo and Niji would suffer more talent losses. Yet they and the talents know that if they want more than just money, these two are still the better option than Vshojo.
@@Serocco I'd just prefer people shut the fuck up about who They were in case there's another Hogwarts legacy situation, or Henya at the very least. Even if Things ended on her own terms, I don't want those rabid Idiots anywhere Near Henya ever again, nobody deserves to get Dogpiled by a bunch of Unhinged Fucks over a Harry Potter game.
It’s not they were kicked out, it a group of people mostly with high egos.
yeah pretty much
@@Jmt1000XD Yeah Vei is from my country, and she really comes off as the typical chav bitchy girl. Like not even in a playful playing the char type thing.
@@Jmt1000XD tbf if i was silver id be pissed aswell after all the shit she went through for vshojo to seemingly do nothing .
@@Jmt1000XD From wht I understand of Silver and hearing some small snippets of personal things leak out from longer fans of hers in her Discord.
She is definitely insecure. She tries her best to appeal to everyone and will buckle easily with enough push back. She is looking for approval from her audience tht her father never gave and refuses to give her. (Now whether its her or her father in the wrong is still unknown since we dont know anything behind the scenes past tht part)
Once she does buckle she is highly likely to spout out very personal things to try and b validated in her own feelings; She has done it very often before and during VShojo. Not so much after VShojo though. She has grown largely quiet about any personal info tht im aware of.
She also doesn't really respond well to general criticism from her own mod team, if any comparisons are used with how others do it.
@@Daigon95 After watching her for awhile in vshojo I noticed this as well. She seemed like she was seeking validation a lot of the time. But regardless I wish her well on her journey as a Indie.
I know my take will be unpopular but I believe Vshojo is a powder keg ready to explode
During the Nux drama you really got a sense of who some of these people REALLY were
Melody was ready to backstab nux after EVERYTHING he did for her
While I do think some of her behaviour could be attributed to other members making the worse parts of her personality worse I do still think at her core Melody only care about you as long as your useful to her.
While some of the new talents are great additions I do not think it will be enough
It's been two years and you still in the Nux drama. Just let it go.
@@haru2966No.
I recognized that the creators that left are objectively good creators, however, I favor the new ones, so the statement for me fits, vshojo is healing to me.
Some people are still hang up on nepotism. For me nepotism is a problem if it's something done with auditions that are supposed to be fair, but if it's invite only hiring I see no problems with it, it's their company and if they don't deceive people it's their business.
Also DN totally ignored Geega 😂
did you forget about, you know, the auditions Vshojo did?
People are hung up on nepotism because they don't understand what nepotism is. Every single private company hires whoever they "want". There's never any due proccess. Not to mention that these streamers are not being hired. The relationship is more that VShojo works for them. The company has all the rights to choose who they work for.
@@EvoliPlays not really, I just understood that they did an oopsie and realised that pretending to do auditions when you have no intention to do it fairly will backfire spectacularly. I don't think they will ever do auditions ever again, it makes no sense for them.
I feel like people don't really know what nepotism is. These hires seem much more like successful networking than nepotism.
Nepotism means hiring relatives with little to no actual qualifications, not poaching already successful talents. This is just, good business?
@@sebrussellso does hiring indie that orbit around Vshojo can be consider ad Nepohire?
If my math is correct, out of the current members, 7 are indies that got hired, with at least one being a major nepotism hire. 3 talents who left were also indies. And then there are the 5 high profile cases of talents from other companies ending up there. Not sure what to make of it. Is it really the nepotism based, retirement home, that it's made out to be? Hard to say.
The reason why there calling it nepotism is because all the new members are good friends (or even friendly acquaintances) with at least one of the OG’s (or just ironmouse) that are still around
If my experience in other fandoms has taught me anything, it won't go away till it's 50/50
@@ghostshrimp5006 I mean in Hime's case, she is basically in the inner circle, and just got a sport for that. I know she has a famous career already, but come on.
@@transformersrevenge9 She was one of the first to join the company, so yes she’s an OG
While you talking like its a bad place it an agency and if i can hire trusted friends i woukd yall dont have friends thats why yall hating lol
Honestly, the only talent in Vshojo I ever had a problem with was Veibae. Since she got excised, it's been nothing but positives in my opinion. I already adored the Kaiju tea kettle and wine mom. I never watched Kuro before because I'm not really into the whole femboy thing but he seems to be doing fine since moving over. Vshojo obviously stepped up their contract guidelines and based on the testimony from the new talents, have been very hands on with helping their talents. So yeah, I think Vshojo has gotten better.
Froot is much worse. So much so there are documentaries about that.
You know I saw very little of Vei, but it seemed like even the little I saw she came off as a horrible self-centered person.
Honestly everybody are just human the expectation of perfection is not practical as long as they aren't shit PPL who keep harassing others it's ok to have a few negative honestly only vtuber i ain't a fan of us bunnygif she actual bad jhu jhu
@syfus660 That's the same vibe I got. I didn't watch much of her, but she seemed genuinely mean spirited.
@SergioLeonardoCornejo I don't know anything about Froot. Think I may have watched some of her debut vod once, but I'm not sure. The only hiccup I've heard of is how she handled Silver's situation with the harassment. I feel like there was anything that actually warranted documentaries, like you say, I would've seen call-out posts and receipts by now. What was it that she supposedly did?
Honestly, if a company and my coworkers throwed me under the bus during a mass harassment campaign against me and related persons, I would throw shade, yeah.
What are your thoughts on Holo EN blacklisting Coco and treating her like she didn't exist to appease the antis?
@@ElliotKeaton what in the fuck? they did that? but that makes no sense, she was jp all the way.
damn bruh that sounds completely fucked
@@VvodeAn To clarify, it was EN management's decision and Myth just went along with it.
The three (major) things Holo EN did were:
-Ignored every message Coco sent behind the scenes without telling her why for four months. Only stopping after the total lack of communication lead to a misunderstanding that made Kiara look bad.
-Publicly treated Coco like she didn't exist for six months. Only stopping after one incident on Ame's channel was so undeniably obvious that they finally faced some backlash for it.
-Blacklisted Coco for eight months. Only stopping because Coco was two weeks away from announcing her graduation (despite them knowing about it three months before she announced it).
@@ElliotKeaton allright, tell me who went along with it. I'm already not subbed to amelia and kiara, tell me the rest. Were they all involved?
In a way, it's not much different from some leaving their job for a different opportunity. It's just that the pool of people to draw from is small enough that it seems like a bigger deal. It kind of has similarities to a pro athlete becoming a free agent and deciding to go where they have a better offer.
Wrestling comes to mind
People doesn't seem to know these things happens more than they think. It's just invisible cause company people are smart enough to not hire liabilities. Employee that's a liability definitely will put the company on the scandal map, not the viewers calls the company as scandalous (that's just slander).
The absolute state of Depressed Nousagi rn, he is turning on us
From all i heard clips from Kuro and Roach mom, that vshojo sounding like better company. And seeing where they come from sounds like managment from hell.
It was also extremely funny and validating seeing Henya herself get fed up with vshojo's nonstop sexual content, like, "hell yeah we're not crazy for thinking that" kind of validating, since all their "talent freedom" was used for was just sex appeal.
Now the new wave with Henya, Kuro and Roach all seem to actively go against that, Henya and Kuro in particular, having very clear boundaries...
It's still early, but I can totally see Roach mom getting rolled up with the older members though, like In a motherly "slay queens do what they want and I'll be with them" way, I hope not but let's see.
What do you mean, who on vshojo does sexual content except Mel (though honestly not as much on twitch) and Kson? The only time I've seen Henya jokingly complain about that was her collab which was with 2 indies and Kson.
@@4F0xSake well, Mel and Kson are obviously the standouts, and you have to remember the agency is small in size so a few members is like a high percentage.
In this case, I think I was referred to the same "jokingly" clip you mentioned, which didn't seem that joking for me but anyway.
Overall in Vshojo, there's Kson and Mel, Froot's content is usually chill and cute but a lot of her clips are on the sex appeal side (especially with the new model) and Henya did get a bit surprised by those... Zen often goes into "sex-related jokes" but that's more on Chat than her. Mouse is just mouse
Last but not least, actually I'd say the main reason everyone sees vsj as "coomer bait agency" is the old wave, 2 of which left and one never streams. Vei and Silver were known for that, and Nyanners herself was also kinda unhinged before she got with Athel.
With that, I'd say at least 50% of vsj old school was known for sex appeal, and now there's a lot of new members coming in but before Henya it was quite a "consistent" group.
Yeah never thought of that. With Henya the public is waiting for more wholesome and funny moments instead of easy +18 jokes. Very proud of her for standing her ground lol!
With Silvervale some people hate her because of her mention of hololive in an interview. When talking about how lax vshojo was she compared to other vtuber companies, she named hololive as an example and a lot of people didnt like that.
Nah , aside from the Hp drama. She also left a bad image after being drama baiter in her graduation stream as vshojo. Shes a definition of menhera
Hiring more indies could help equalize their reputation. Haruka and Geega being the latest indie hires, stil lack the idie flair, since they collabed so much that some people were surprised that they weren't already part of the group.
so your saying they shouldnt hire friends? surely being a friend and frequent collaber for each other is a better way to figure out if somebody will be a good fit for the group than just randmly interviewng someone you have zero clue about?
@@brokenserenity01my brother in christ, he never said they shouldn't have hired them, he just said it doesn't feel like they hired indies because of how much they already collabed with Vshojo. Honestly I always though Haruka was a part of VShojo from how much they interacted
True, especially with nepotism. If they worked together well already in the past, they will likely work together well in the future, and with that means working better together and less internal drama.
Well I mean they tried to do try outs before (weather that was just a pr move I dunno) and it got hijacked by a doxer which in turn put them in hot water and burned the bridge between nux and the other talents so I imagine they probably wouldn't want to do that again and just stick to being the isekai company
@@brokenserenity01 I didn't say that, don't put words into my mouth. I was suggesting that the company should try being proactive with indies, and not just with former corporates. There are lots of indies out there who are moderate successes that they've never interacted with, but could use an extra push.
I'm simple, I'll go where the ones I admire go, Mom came back in vshojo, I'm going to watch vshojo now, just like with nazuna, kson and henya.
Nyanner, Veibae, and Sliverale to me are never a team player. Nyanner is too shy and closed off compared to other teammates. Veibae has so much attitude and is too aggressive when it comes to handling negative situations big or small. Sliverale plays too hard on being super fluffy and nice that when negative comes it is just too weird to see her getting upset or getting mad or even having a strong negative reaction, she builds too nice of a persona and it just isn't encompassing all of her as a person so when shit happens she break character inturn making her less real.
for me these 3 felt always fake like playing a persona that would stab you in the back after stream
@@MrBloodyshadow17 they always make you have that feeling. Is like if you are watching your own country's tv drama, normal people dont really act like that persona or not.
>Nyanners Controversial past.
You mean a degenerate memelord that almost ruled the internet via alcohol.
Tbh Vei leaving was the best that could've happened.
As expected of someone that willingly dates shittapoppin.
I know Soda by name only, does he have baggage too?
4chan edgelord schizoposting by nyanners is also probably what he is referring to
@@BlaZay idk sodapoppin is fine to me i think he gets hate bcus he's kinda incelish and part of otk
@@MS-vk9ph Nah, probably talking about how she literally made a pedoshit song based on some disgusting pedo hentai meme, then to get some tumblr clout called everyone who liked that video and got upset at its removal; "pedo"s even though she's the one who made it all the while denouncing pedo like a decent human being should however not so much time later resurfacing as a vtuber with pretty much a "loli" live2d avatar and shit. Y'know that whole ordeal.
@@wargreysama Please take your meds it is literally drawings that you get so worked up about
idk if I have the right of it.
My impression of VShojo is that before Nyan, Sliver and Vei left, it was basically a company with little to no control, basically a company made by and carried by a group of friends, you could only get in when the group of friends went "yes, lets add them to the company"... basically like a Twitch Stream Team group, but with a ghost company behind it.
But recently, after Henya joined, its been feeling like VShojo have started to emerge as an actual agency who enacts more control over their talent...
My Personal, but most likely untrue, Headcanon -> Nyan, Sliver and Vei saw this coming change in their contracts and decided to call it quits because of it.
The "VShojo got rid of the troublemakers and will now prosper." narrative feels off, considering that Vei was only briefly a member to begin with, Silver hardly had any drama until the admittedly bitter end, and Nyanner's supposedly controversial past is mostly about stuff from about 13 years ago when she was a literal teenager on 4chan that is far from relevant for most fans outside of a very vocal set of loli and chan board people who will never stop pushing it. Also, every one of them left because they chose to when contracts changed.
I'll keep 100 dude, being a teenager doesn't mean you get a free pass, most of us were teenagers when we started watching her.
Being a teenager doesnt mean you don't have a working brain, tho i do get that "VShojo got rid of trouble maker" narrative feels off, although they did get rid of some people and are doing better now.
@@indra_vrtrahan "being a teenager doesn't mean you get a free pass"
It sorta does. Things you say as a teenager don't hold the same value as things you say as an adult. If we were all held responsible for shit we said as teenagers we'd all be out of a job. While being a teenager doesn't mean you don't have a brain. It literally does mean that you don't have a fully developed brain. And calling someone a "hypocrite" because they have changed their mind about an opinion they held 13 years ago has to be the dumbest thing I've seen today. If you give me a good reason backed up well rounded logic you could change my mind in under and hour.
Neyanners has admitted she is above 30 years old
So her 4chan days were back when she was in her 20s, meaning she was an adult
I only feel so so about nyanners but she gets too much shit for this. Like it sounds really bad from outside perspective. To me it looks like she did this "loli" stuff to appeal to the group then she matured and realized it was fking weird. It is even more weird if she was underage and then it's literal pedos and groomers these weird old ass men getting excited about this teenage girl doing a "loli" voice it's easy to imagine once you get a certain level of smart/catching on you think "I gotta get the fk out". Calling her a "hypocrite" is asinine in that case; good riddance to that trash, another highly voted comment mentioning that nyanners ditching her old fanbase says something about her character, yeah, that she can be incredibly based. And yet it's more like some of her old fans ditched her. There was never a barrier for watching her current content. Only explanation is that it no longer appeals to them for some *mysterious* reason. Sorry if i make anyone mad but that's just how it looks like from my superficial perspective with alot of assumptions. I only say it because it looks like some people think nyanners past makes her bad or look bad but I don't think she is in the wrong.
I perceive VShojo more as a company (like Cover and AnyColor) than a V-Tuber group (like Holo and Niji). Yes, their logo is here and there, and they did organize that one concert. But for the most part their talents act like indies. They don't collab with each other much more than with "outsiders", they don't have generations/waves/units, they don't have any common themes or rules, not many group events... So at the end of the day, I don't really care one way or another about what's going on with the company, and if there's drama with a talent that I don't watch it doesn't bother me in the slightest as long as Ironmouse is okay.
The problem with old vshojo was literally that these talents weren't escape outlets for veiwers from thier daily to watch cute anime girls. These were just twitch streamers who didnt want to show thier face on screen. The ones that people had problems with were crude bratty Twitter users that had the humor of an angsty politically charged white kid in highschool who shitpost 24/7. When your only notable value or characteristics is vulgar humor and horny baiting, it can only take you so far with audience growth. They just pigeonholed themselves while constantly riding on thin ice. Not to mentionhow awful they were to each other and other people behind closed doors
i'm honestly glad that vshojo exists to pick up the vtubers that end up in bad situations where they need to graduate but still want to do the vtubing thing, especially with all the stuff with Niji right now.
A company learning from their mistakes and adapting to the future? NOWAYING
People confuse recommendations as nepotism.
Recommendations are when you know someone who can vouch for you to get in, but in order to make it, you have to prove yourself.
Nepotism is when you get put into the job even though you have no experience nor qualifications, you're only there because you know someone who has the power to put her there.
So, while the new additions were associates of existing members, if they had no talent or experience, they simply would not have been hired.
But these are tried and tested talents who have proven themselves prior to joining Vshojo and has an audience that would follow them. That is something you can't dismiss.
Saying that VShojo was dying after the 3 left basically means you know nothing about the company. It was built on the basis that they HAVE to be the best deal for the talents, otherwise they can just leave with everything they built, their assets, brand and audience. It was always meant to be that way. The founding members said it on their debuts with the company. It's on their website. Even if hald the members had left, they'd still have found a way to come back because there's stiil reasons for big indies to join. Veibae joined after the company formed, more than trippled her audience with the help of the company and then left owning everything. She lost some of that audience due to controversy since, but otherwise she still got to keep everything she built and VShojo always meant for it to be this way.
"If I hate" is the problem right there. It's OK if someone's content doesn't appeal to you, or their personality doesn't draw you in, but hating average VTubers is asinine, and quite frankly, unhinged. People that hate good VTubers are in general mentally unhinged, and fucked in the head on average. Like there are exceptions, like people that steal and claim credit for the work of others, or people that actively seek to deplatform their fellow creators are valid hate targets. But that's not the hate I usually have the misfortune of seeing. A good example is the hate cast towards Calliope Mori, or Gura. Mori is well known as a hate target, but Gura was a weird one. She takes a health related series of breaks, and a vocal minority became antis over night. Stuff like that is deranged.
VShojo gets a lot of weird hate, primarily Froot. And Froot's haters usually just boils down to people that want to see her leaked nudes, and gossip about her private life. You see this crap on social media enough times, and eventually you have to call out the insanity. To clarify, not saying you do, but that is one of the topics you brought up. The general number of people that hate someone beyond logical reasoning, just baffles me.
I mean with Henya... Vshojo went from Oh i follow Kson because she's great and very hard working, to "oh my god she's back and streams daily!!!"
as far as viewing it like trades, nyanners seems to have grown as a person from who she was originally, and her place in the nux thing seems like purposeful miscomunication from vshojo. She seems to be doing great on her own. Silvervale still feels terfy, and I don't know much about vei. On the other hand, all three of the new hires were amongst my favorite vtubers in the past, and seem to be the same with more freedom in vshojo
We got rid of three hacks and got 3 legends…yeah Vshojo is doing pretty good.
Now that i over analyze it, vshojo may be working better now because they have people from corps that are used to interacting with each other and making content out of that. Like, we gotta have in mind that the first members were indie and used to shine on their own, not used to the lots of interaction and collabs that common corpos usually do and get benefits from
The answer is yes. Nyanners and veibae have to be the least likable vtubers i have seen in a long time (outside of the niji shitshow happening atm) Poor personalities, distasteful jokes and attitude, the fake voices they put on are not fun to listen to etc. bitter disrespectful girls that got more clout than they deserve. Glad they left vshojo so it can become a better company. With all the controversy they’d probably fit in perfectly over at nijisanjiEN
I think Vshojo’s biggest problem going forward is shaking their image of being a glorified high school clique or vtuber country club, where the main barrier to entry is how much vtuber clout you accrued. This naturally puts people off because it gives Vshojo something of a pretentious or arrogant atmosphere, being an org that is defined by how socially exclusionary they are.
Hololive and Niji prove you can start as a nobody in the scene and make it big. They’re willing to take risks to foster new talent that will grow into their own. This at least gives the illusion that they’re far more egalitarian in their hiring practices.
So far, Vshojo’s strategy of gobbling up Niji and to a lesser extent Hololive’s table scraps like hyenas is working out for them, but I can see this type of practice having diminishing returns in the long run because the potential talent pool is incredibly small and homogenous.
You seem to think that they want to be same type of corpo as holo and niji. Which might've been their aspiration at some point, but clearly not true anymore. Facts are, now they provide superiour services for vtubers. Which is what any talent agency does - provide services to talents for commission. But you have to be big enough to make it financially viable for both parties.
holo/niji are not agencies, they do not provide services - they are producers who hire actors to perform the role.
I think this is another example of 'Well, Holo/Niji are the biggest, so Vshojo must want to be like them!' I think VShojo is realizing it will grow by not being like them.
I don't think they have any interest in starting a brand new talent, or being the agency people start in. They are the agency people come to when they want a change. Maybe they stay, maybe they don't.
Holo only accepts established content creators with good pedigrees, Niji *used to* hire unknowns (iirc Sonny said he's still getting used to being an internet personality when he was new), but after Noctyx they only accept people with sizeable channels.
@@burnttoast26 Hololive of course vets their talents, and we know they value previous experience and marketable skills, but they don’t necessarily prioritize the popularity of their previous lives, which is largely moot because new Hololive talents start off as blank slates anyways.
@@Winters004 I mean, experience and marketability tends to result in popularity, so...
Idk if that was just a feeling I had, but pre-scandal VShojo felt ... disjointed as a group, especially since the talents were for what it seemed like supposed to be friends. Some of the group collabs back then (I have a vague memory of a gameshow that evoked this) gave me this feeling of disconnection between the talents. It just felt ... off. Nowadays ever since Henya joined from what I see VShojo feels more like an interconnected group of friends just spending time together and creating content doing so. I just kinda get the sense that they are actually friends, maybe I'm interpreting too much into this but thats my stand on VShojo
Honestly I think these recent talents are a win for Vishojo. I actually did watch them before but Matara has fully won me over. Since offensive humor has never been my thing I think it's good the more problematic members left.
I mean, Vshojo has no real identity to begin with imo. Even the coomerbait and toilet humor are just the brand of specific people that happen to stream under the same company name as other people, they don't really do much as a group. Asking me if I like Vshojo is like asking me if I like the Solar System, I can talk about what's cool about each individual planet, but I have no opinion on the whole.
And that's how it should be. I view them as a management agency/partner, similarly to how some streamers stream under C9 or FaZe umbrella. It is a symbiotic relationship that helps both sides earn more money. Keeping the idol aspect out of it is the biggest possible benefit it can give.
It lost drama baiters and got talent. Yes it's better now.
I disagree with your overall assessment because they still have the problem with the hogwarths game to the point that they did not provide protection to there talent at all. To me that tells me they are for one biased and if you don’t to the line they will leave you hanging I mean look at mikeneko she wanted to play the game and what did they say to her… no unless you want to face the consequences. To me that’s just a corpo that uses twitter or x to keep there people in line. So they follow popular demand I mean look at nuxtaku he has not recovered from the drama completely but they said sorry behind the scenes so that should be good enough for you?? How is that right.
Vshojo is still a huge nepo company. They haven't changed at all just switched out vtubers
Uh oh, hater alert hater alert! This guy knows nothing about how hiring known talent that gets along well with the others is so much safer than some unknown with little experience!
still trash
At the very least, with the new recruits, my interest in the company is much higher than it used to be. Henya, Kuro and Matara are all talents I liked in their old companies, and seeing how they appear to have more fun than before (especially with the latter [finally] getting proper managers assigned to her), I think this was a good move by VShojo. Vei and Nyan had a bit of a reputation following them, and Silver complaining about people not talking to her could be her own fault, rather than that of others, though I don't know enough about that to say for sure. Regardless, with these three gone, we're getting a lot more variety and better chemistry between the members, and I think that's good for both the talents and the company.
IMO, VShojo'se business model makes sense. If you can offer a 'fallen' or 'discarded' VTuber a second chance with promises of near-absolute freedom, hey would be crazy not to take it. We'll have to see if this is a good strategy for then, but all things considered, I believe they have a good chance of becoming big)ger).
I gotta go, so I havent seen the whole video, but... part of the "controversy" around vshojo stems from the same place as its claim to fame. Talent freedom. Sure, they're still an agency, but they offer more leeway than many others out there. Just had to add
Henya's addition was also helpful in the sense that her presence kinda improves the vibes between VShojo's talents by her sheer wholesomess. Having both her and Ironmouse in the group just seem to exponentially multiply the wholesome vibes. In that regard, Geega's addition was just as beneficial to the group since she is pretty close with the members. During Matara's debut, it was pretty wholesome to see the other members help her and make guest appearances.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with adult vtubers expressing their adult opinions and tastes.. that said-- I've grown very, **very** tired of the shock culture many of them use as the bulk of their content (and I didn't have much of a stomach for it in the first place). I'm sorry to say, but I think that: Yes, my opinion of Vshojo has improved.. greatly. For the longest time, I didn't even know vtubers could be successful without being dramatically excessive. My opinion of vtubers in general has greatly improved.
The comments are trying to figure out the difference between nepotism and recommendations💀
It feels like, the management in Vshojo has definitely improved after the exodus.
Prior, it seems like their involvement with the talent were on demand only.
Meaning, management wouldn't involve with the talent unless their help/assistance was requested,
For the sake of letting the talent to have their freedom to do whatever they want.
But, this hands off approach lead to lack of communication whenever the talent only kept to themselves.
Meaning, whenever talent had issues they never expressed, Vshojo's management would be unaware of it.
After the exodus, there's been signs of management being more proactive with their communication with the talent.
Rather than leaving the talent alone for their freedom,
they've been proactive with asking the talent more, how they're doing and if they need anything.
It seems like Vshojo has gone from unintentionally neglectful,
To more proactive supporters.
The Kettle returning, debuting with Vshojo really made me a fan, like I knew of Mousy, Zen and Haruka but Henya reeled me in, and got me watching Twitch too.
Discovered Filian through Henya too lol.
Here’s my understanding: Vshojo is at, the end of the day, a company. Money is always the end goal. Even at the cost of their “talents”. If a talent starts to spark some drama and voice an opinion, Vshojo cuts them out.
Never cared for Vshojo. Too lewd and brash.
Vshojo is 1000% better off without nyanners and veibae.
First, I'm not really into VShojo, mainly (but not limited to) because they are more active on Twitch. So anything I would say is from an outsider POV.
Recently I feel VShojo is starting to improve. With the recent poaches, one would think "VShojo offered them something their former agencies can't", and I am of the same opinion, especially with all the yabs of the big colorful one. One is supposed to be "burned out of content creation", but apparently just burned out of the former agency. The other one, I'm not really sure. Then there's Henya actually coming back stronger. For Kson and Nazuna, I don't really follow them even in their PL because their content just isn't my cup of tea. I like Kson's gunpla streams tho, so at least there's that.
All in all, if VShojo improves, it'll be good not just for them but for the whole industry. Competition at the top is fierce. Hell, I even think Holo is starting to adjust their rules to stay with the times. Hope the Colorful One adjusts too, because if they don't, it's very possible that VShojo will overtake them (globally, at least).
is vshojo improving, not really
If Ironmouse leaves there going to plummet fr, Ironmouse literally there biggest star rn.
The rodent.
The new ones: I need to improve more
Vshojo: hey! Want to join?
The new ones: Of course!
I’ve been a fan of Ironmouse, Melody and Silvervale before Vshojo. When Vshojo was established i thought it was a great concept and continued to watch those 3 Vtubers’ content. The whole Nux vs Vshojo drama meant nothing to me. Pretty childish drama in my opinion. I followed Nux prior to that drama too. As he collaborated with non-Vtuber streamers and UA-cam content creators that I’m a fan of too… MxRPlays, Naggz, Evanito, etc. Silvervale leaving and how she left made me not want to follow her content anymore. Personal preference.
But with the additions of Henya, Geega, Kuro and Matara… i believe Vshojo is more stable and entertaining to watch than with the previous members who left. I was never a fan of Nyanners and Veibae. I didn’t hate their content but just was never a fan either. Current members, in general, want to be there and enjoy each others’ company.
I genuinely think that the reason why Vshojo were able to bounce back is due to Nyanners and Vei leaving. I don't really think Vale was much of a factor back in the old Vshojo, but Nyanners and Vei certainly were
The old Vshojo were more like a group of friends instead of a corpo, and that is because it have 3 leader figures in it, Ironmouse, Nyanners and Veibae. They may have been friends, but from their streams I think it's pretty much safe to say that these 3 have their own visions on how they want to develop Vshojo
Unfortunately for them, due to these different ideals held by their 3 leader figures, the old Vshojo ended up not being able to make any real significant progress anywhere, no real direction whatsoever, just stream and hangout without any clear vision on what they wanted their Vshojo brand to be
Nyanners and Vei leaving changed the entire dynamic within Vshojo's internal, because now there's a shift of power towards Ironmouse, now they can focus with only 1 vision for Vshojo, which is Mouse's instead of all 3 from Mouse, Nyanners and Vei. Vshojo needed this for a long time, and thanks to Ironmouse, Vshojo slowly transform from a mere vtuber hangout group, to a proper vtuber organization. New members like Henya, Kuro, Matara and Geega can now just rely on Mouse to convince the other members that they are cool, instead of pandering to Mouse, Nyanners and Vei, who may not always be in agreement with each other in the first place
So that's it, I think it's really not a coincidence that Vshojo started to experience a hike ever since Nyanners, Vei and Vale left. They're more than just a group of friends hanging out now, now they actually do feel like a unit moving towards a goal. Henya, Kuro and Matara's positive feedbacks shows this imo
Now I don't watch Vshojo much because I don't like watching from Twitch, but if they could somehow recruit the person behind Mika Melatika, I'll definitely go to twitch and check out all of them
VShojo has a decidedly talent first approach a lot of vtubers will certainly appreciate, but they are also not an enrry level vtuber company. That may change of course, but for now you have to know how to do the job and have some demonstrable results to show for it or you're not going to make it in. This also means that experienced vtubers, whether indy or corpo, have somewhere to go if things don't work out for them where they are now. Vshojo management seems to be focusing on just supporting the talents and letting them do their own thing, with few strings attached. I mean they still keep Hime on the payroll and she streams less than Folding Ideas. But if you don't already know how to do it, they aren't the company thats going to hold your and and tell you what to do. They don't have regimented schedules and content expectations for their talent, which is both good and bad. VShojo is a a great agency for mature experienced streamers, that want to have support but already know what they want to do, but still have management support for financial and legal reasons.
Yesn't, but it's definitely better than before. The only person in that agency i genuinely hate/dislike per se is froot, and i'm glad Henya is "back", even if i don't watch her as much because Twitch has dogshit UI and i'm never creating a account there. Kson was pretty influential to industry, there are some things she says i agree with and some i don't, other than that she's a pretty cool as a content creator anyway. Ironmouse i don't really care about and the rest i don't even know/watch, dumb pink cat aside, only normies probably don't know about her and the whole 4chan kerfuffle, neither sad nor glad she left the agency.
Yeah Froot is what really keeps me from liking Vshojo that and all the sex and toilet humor.
*sigh* Why do people want to simp/hate companies? Rather than focusing on the talent or creators. You know the people making the content? I've literally heard friends say "Oh I like that vtuber. I won't watch them cause they are a part of company X." Like bitch watch the people you want. What does it matter who's paying them?
Simping for companies is bad but there’s nothing wrong with hating companies. If you don’t want to support a company then that means you can’t support the talent. It definitely matters who pays people. If you can’t extrapolate a single reason as to why, you can’t be helped
Honestly, I wouldn't say that they are "healing". They only had iconic members from other agencies come to them. Then came their fans. No improvements. Just a typical migration of the sorts.
for me, the talents always come before the agencies. If an agency treats a talent better than their previous agency, then there is zero problem for me. sure, it sucks that their previous persona might not be used anymore, but it's still the same person behind the avatar. same personality, same humor, all that. And if they're happier, they'll make better content.
I've always been kinda mid on Vshojo because a lot of their talent leaned a bit too heavy on the 'uwu lewd' humor. Not all of them, mind you, but a big chunk of them. Just not my thing. But with Henya on board that's been slowly changing.
Veibei and Nyanners leaving made me watch more vshojo
I used to be a fan of Silver's, but in that period where she left, it definitely felt like something changed. I couldn't deny the "mean girl with a coat of comfy" vibe. A veil being lifted? Just really angry at the world? I don't know. But I couldn't keep watching her.
As for VShojo, I think this talent poaching that they're up to is the kind of wake-up call the industry needs. The reminder that talents don't have to settle for lesser. Their newest addition saying she was surprised by how helpful the management was only furthers that image.
To me its seems like the collabs are the Auditions for Vshojo, whether they are independebt or former corpo vtubers. It makes sense, why audition and hire someone without knowing if there is going to be chemistry between m members.
I never thought iabout it in that way. This observation is entirely plausible. Since "Collabs," Vshojo's talent can be interpreted as that.
(My Opnion pt 2/2) The new three of Vshojo are big improvements:
Henya is essentially drama free, I absolutely love her and I’m quite sure many others do as well… essentially a positive replacing an either negative or mixed spot of the previous three.
Matara I was a huge fan of hers when she was previously Nina and was extremely happy for her return (so big dubs in my book) and although I am aware of the smallish dramas in regards to a few of the jokes that caused a ruckus I’d say that’s the only real “Drama” she had and compare it to the “no filters” that are Veibei and Nyanners I’d say she’s definitely a positive more than those two if you tack on the problematic past for Nyanners and her big involvement in that witch hunt and the same latter for Veibei if you also include her just dropping slurs or other things she may have said without a care which some of the slurs and other real bad things she said are things I don’t ever see Matara saying honestly and that makes Matara a positive “replacement” for one of those two.
Kuro I never watched that much when he was previously Mysta but, when I did I thought he was a cool guy and very creative guy and what not and I’d say the same in that he was also a “positive” replacement compared to those of Vei and Nyanners and overall felt more positive towards him as an individual.
Overall I like these “new” three compared to the old three and I think it’s good for Vshojo as well with these pick ups.
now froot have to leave so vshojo become good
Why? What's her past as he mentioned, is that related?
That's an interesting way to put it , and overall personally i was conflicted about the company but i might actually try to support some of the new hires on vshojo now due to the video . Also small corrections since u asked for them .
For the NuxDrama - Veibae and Silvervale were also decently involved while out of the other members of vshojo only ironmouse had a similar amount of involvement as the other 2 . Everyone else was kinda distanced from the drama as far as i remember it (granted Ironmouse was also the one i heard that publicly did a proper apology after )
For the nofilter thing , i think its very interesting actually that the no "filterness" hit different for Veibae and Nina . Veibae mostly upset fellow streamers ( which would also antagonize their audience) while Nina upset members of the audience of some of her fellow streamers only . Nevertheless it's an interesting paralel but it's a lot less evident in Nina's case because it's not brought up on streams and only on 3rd party social medias .
Overall i lowkey kinda wish now that Vshojo was not a twitch only agency . I consume most of my content on youtube and go to twitch only for drops and put some stream in the background to mute . Doe i am certainly looking forwards to clips of them now i guess .
I can see why they only stream on twitch, it's easy to stream and easier on the copyright however twitch had some bad management last few years also most vshojo members are use to twitch streaming might be hard to switch to youtube streaming but they do have newer talents that can help with that now.
They're not twitch only. Kson streams mostly on youtube. Most of the members stream on twitch because they prefer it and because VSJ can offer them the most support there. GunRun was one of twitch's founders and can have things like start their channels already partnered or get them out of bans really fast.
@@guilguis4820 Not entirely true - numbers clearly say that overall twitch has more EN audience, while youtube has more JP audience.
IMO, YT is already the playground for Holo and Niji and it's not easy to break their hegemony over there. While Twitch is still sort of open in terms of competition.
@@evilgremlin when did i compare youtube audience numbers?
If Mika also go to Vshoujo, its not Vtuber retirement home anymore, its a hostile takeover.
Feel like Nyans is on the up and up after revealing her relationship with Aethel, being the goofy yin to her goofy yang they balance, stablize or even accentuate their goofy sides but never in that "old" nyanners way. It's just nice to see either way.
lowkey wish vshojo would poach one more from niji, someone who is literally best friends with the last 3 recruits and currently shes not that taken care of by niji since the "merge" happened
I feel like she belongs more to en side. Wish she somehow merge with en
yep she should actually go to vshojo due to the fact that she actually fits vshojo, unlike her current agency which doesn't necessarily give a fuck. in a sense they're worse the how holostars was treated before.
@@MadeUnavailableEh, it’s about the same, I reckon. Holostars got cornered by their some of their own “teammates” and “fans”, while Mika got abandoned and neglected by her “agency”. Let’s just not compare their misfortunes. They all took some undeserved BS.
On the other hand, I don’t think Mika will leave. She won’t abandon Hana and the 11 ex-Niji ID left in the company. It is sad, but unlikely.
Poor Mika, really wish she would join too. Would be a pretty good fit from all the interactions we seen at least.
@@gurugurumawaru7869 well its not impossible per se, remember she can also drag them with her which is the best case scenario. which could actually make vshojo ID possible? i hope.