I love how Lu Bu was *such* an absolute asshole that he ended up inspiring Cao Cao and Liu Bei to team up just to take him out. That's going well and beyond everyday douchebaggery.
There are a lot of backstabbing happening here and there. But Lu Bu betrays his sworn godfather, and twice at that. In Confucian society, killing your own father is probably the greatest sin you can ever commit. So that's where the majority of Lu Bu's negative reputation, notwithstanding that his second godfather is a tyrannical villain as well.
I really admire the time put into these to make the characters, however minor, look unique, and have their own personality. It makes everything much more memorable and fun.
@@demonfromhell2022 Zhuge Liang outwitted Sima Yi many times and eventually tricked him into a fiery ambush. Sima Yi almost died until the intervention of a heavy downpour. Even after Zhuge Liang passed away, he tricked him one last time and Sima Yi lamented that he will be forever remembered in history as being tricked by a dead Zhuge Liang!
@@demonfromhell2022 zhuge liang had the upper hand in most battle against sima yi, almost killed him a couple times. unfortunately, his base is simply not as good as sima yi's. Shu han has way less manpower and less grain and a much longer trek through the mountains to attack. thus all sima yi had to do is hide, defend and wait for zhuge liang to run out of food. you can see a real change in sima yi's battle behavior after zhuge liang's death, where once he could only stay back and defend, he could really run wild once sima yi is dead.
Extra People unmentioned in this, based on the _Romance of the Three Kingdoms_ : 3:56 - The Bodyguard's possible name was _Zhang Kai_ , indeed a former Yellow Turban, who was Serving Tao Qian. Possibly fled after Killing Cao Song. 7:59 - The man here is named _Cao Bao_ , though I am not exactly sure. Cao Bao was Killed by Zhang Fei. 9:30 - Yuan Shu's General is known as _Ji Ling_ . He Agreed, along with Liu Bei, to Lu Bu's Bet from a Bow to the Halberd. 9:53 - Yuan Shu's possible Only Son is known as _Yuan Yao_ , he indeed was to be married to Lu Bu's daughter, known in popular culture as 'Lu Lingqi', however by following the Unconfirmed Trend in the ROTK novel, would I think she would be possibly known as _Lady Lu_ . 10:26 - The Woman is Possibly Known as _Lady Zou/Zhou_ ; Zhang Xiu's Uncle, _Zhang Ji_ 's Wife. She was indeed taken as a Concubine to Cao Cao. 10:56 - Apart from Dian Wei and Cao Ang, Cao Cao's Nephew: _Cao Anmin_ , was also killed during the battle against Zhang Xiu. 11:32 - Cao Cao was indeed running out of food during the campaign, so the "Controller of the Granaries", or a Supply Officer by the name of _Wang Hou_ was indeed Framed for "embezzling supplies", and was then executed. It had indeed, in the end: "appeased the discontent." 13:31 - Lu Bu's Generals: _Song Xian_ , and _Wei Xu_ were the ones that indeed Captured Lu Bu in Xiapi, and brought him to Cao Cao, to then be Executed. _Hou Cheng_ was also Involved in the Mutiny, however not near the Capture Site or Effort against Lu Bu. Song Xian and Wei Xu then went on to serve Cao Cao, along with Zhang Liao, however, Hou Cheng's future by this point is not known by me.
@@williamwan3712 w8 a second, Oversimplified said that exactly! I didn't know that I said it as a joke, also I'm sure someone said something referencing oversimplified.
@@TeleologicalConsistency More like the Governor of Oregon. Yuan Shu wasn't that powerful, while California has the highest Population, political influence the largest economy of the USA. I think Wei would be most similar to California in regards to its importance to the country.
@@CoolHistoryBros I don’t know how it was made, but there was a saying in Vietnamese, “Bị Tào Tháo rượt” which translates to “Being chased by Cao Cao” often used when someone have a stomachache and “needs to go”.
@@CoolHistoryBros it does refer to the guy, but it means being a nuisance. its like a proverb. Vietnamese still uses a lot of Three Kingdoms vocab as proverbs. One example is nhắc Tào Tháo, Tào Tháo tới (speak of Cao Cao, here Cao Cao comes), basically speaking of the devil.
@@conho4898 I think that proverb about Cao Cao came from the Chinese version"說曹操曹操到 (speak of Cao Cao, here Cao Cao comes)". I could see that even the pronunciation is similar too.
Ah the Warlord periods are always my favorites, from the warring states, the fall of the Han to the Warlord era of the 1900s in China, all are fascinating to me and it warms my heart to see more history about them(even the romanticized version!)
I'm glad you're doing this video series. It's very daunting trying to read the Romance of the Three Kingdoms when you have very little time and energy. Thank you for this summarized version of the story!
I'd been looking forward to this episode. It's crazy to think that a character like Lu Bu who is often portrayed as "China's Greatest Warrior" is so haphazard with his dealings with other people, it's a miracle he survived far longer than he should have. Not to mention for a general we got his ass kicked a lot by a variety of different opponents. Perhaps the best example of how pitiful a warlord Lu Bu was is his short feud with the bandit leader Zang Ba (Style name Xuangao) . Now Zang Ba has an interesting life story worthy of its own video, but simply put by the time Lu Bu took over Xu providence, Zang Ba was leading a bandit army made up of former Tao Qian men he recruited during the Yellow Turban Rebellion and were trying to form their own independent regime. They raided the treasury of Xiao Jian, who was an ally of Lu Bu at the time. After failing to convince Zang Ba to give it all back, Lu Bu declare war against him, despite the warnings of Chen Gong and others. Zang Ba was not an easy target to fight. 1: He was no stranger to fighting against bigger numbers (from rescuing his father from a 100+ prison escort with only 20-30 men to his experiences during the Yellow Turban Rebellion) and 2: He had home field advantage as the fighting took place on Mount Tai, where Zang Ba had his home base and where he staged all of his attacks. He fended of Lu Bu and was actually beating him. But before he could get a decisive victory, Yuan Shu made his power play for Xu. Realizing that regardless of the result, the victor would be too weak to fend of Yuan Shu, Zang Ba made peace with Lu Bu and sided with him till the Battle of Xiapi, where Lu Bu was captured and Zang Ba fled. Cao Cao caught him and instead of executing him, made him a vassal ruler of Xu providence and his men local administrators.
Cao Cao : "Liu Bei, What do you think? Should I let Lu Bu join me?" Lu Bu : "Liu Bei, Please help me." Liu Bei : "Alright... Lord Cao Cao, Do you know that all the men Lu Bu pledged his allegiance to all met a terrible end? So, I think You should..." Cao Cao : "Uh-huh..." Lu Bu : "Oh Shit..."
Liu Bei is also in dilema. If he said Yes. Cao Cao will have great General. Even Guan Yu & Zhang Fei cant win in duel 1 v 1 with Lu Bu. But, Liu Bei is also stupid. If he said Yes... Lu Bu will kill Cao Cao. Three Kingdom will not happen. Liu Bei liberate Emperor & unite China will be easier than if Cao Cao alive.
@@syv5013 Nah... That's never gonna happen... It's not like Cao Cao doesn't know Lu Bu and what kind of man he is... Don't forget, Cao Cao know Lu Bu for a long time. Before he orchestrated the forming of the coalition army Cao Cao used to pretend to be a lackey to Dong Zhuo in order to assassinate him so He got a chance to get acquainted with Lu Bu even before They go against each other. So even if Liu Bei pleads to Cao Cao to let Lu Bu join him. Cao Cao wouldn't let Lu Bu go around unwatch and has a chance to come up with a plan to harm him... at the very least not until Lu Bu really proves himself that he can be trusted... Which admit it, We all know that also not going to happen... And you know what's the worst-case possible outcome for Liu Bei in that scenario? Lu Bu still behaving himself to try to stay in Cao Cao's good grace at the time Cao Cao discovered that Liu Bei was a part of the emperor's blood letter conspiracy. Now, Who do you think Cao Cao would send to hunt down Liu Bei in order to prove his loyalty? Lu Bu was petty and spiteful so he definitely going to use this chance to get back at Liu Bei for helping Cao Cao captured him. And even if he wants to use this chance to escape and join forces with Liu Bei to fight against Cao Cao, He betreyed Liu Bei before... not to mention that Guan Yu and Zhang Fei both hate Lu Bu's guts so Liu Bei is not going to be willing to ally himself with Lu Bu. So if Liu Bei was lucky Lu Bu will go ahead and get himself killed trying to get away from Cao Cao's clutch, If not then He has to fight Lu Bu who carries out Cao Cao's order.
@@ThanoosUdom If Liu Bei pled for Lu Bu to be spared to serve Cao Cao, I imagine he'd be met with "Since you have pled his case, let him serve you." Because as Liu Bei pointed out, everyone Lu Bu serves under...
“The only thing that matters is how one’s own strategies are going to work. There is no need to study the old-fashioned rules of warfare!” - Huo Qubing (c. 140-117 BCE)
9:25 & 9:34 YuanShu didn't send any random general, but his premier general, JiLing from 📍ShanDong. He could stand off about 30 rounds with GuanYu, but eventually stubbed & killed by ZhangFei's voulge after challenging him for the 10th rounds
These are so brilliant! I decided I was going to jump in the pool and finally read The Romance of the Three Kingdoms and I am glad I stumbled upon these videos. Excellent summation and overview of characters and happenings within the stories. Great for noobs like me who are a little intimidated with how vast the story is. Thank you!!! New sub here!
There are many important details that need to be left out to make this video as compact as possible, but I wouldn't mind watching longer version of this. But here: Sun Jian was accused of hiding the Heirloom Seal by various warlords in the coalition, he lied 3 times (he swore that he will die miserably if he lies) and escaped with it, so he kinda did. The second lie were paid by his (spoiler), son, and the final one, by his son's sworn brother. A version in the Romance said that when Liu Bei was sent to engage Yuan Shu, it was Chen Gong who advised Lu Bu to take over Xuzhou. Lu Bu hesitated at first, but he was reminded that he was more of brawns instead of brains and it was a situation like this that caused him to be a wandering vagabond despite his talents and good looks. He is a bit offended, but he agreed anyway. When Lu Bu was captured, he was unsettled and very uncomfortable in bounds. Zhang Liao yelled at his Lord to "man up" - this impresses the big shots. Then Lu Bu plead for mercy and exchange his life for his service. Cao Cao was initially swayed, but Liu Bei reminded him that he has killed his last 2 fathers, then Cao Cao ordered his execution. Lu Bu was incensed and accuse Liu Bei of being ungrateful after what he did for him (Lu Bu still welcomed him back after conquering Xuzhou and the Yuan Shu archery affair). He cussed at both Liu Bei and Cao Cao all the way to his execution spot. Zhang Liao waiting outside the court witnessed the whining general, when they met, he yelled at his former lord again "die like a man, and STFU!" Zhang Liao has no hesitation when he is about executed, "just get it over with" - it was Guan Yu whose bromance sense was woken up at this sassy display of manhood, he pleaded for Zhang Liao's mercy, "he is a brave general, staying with his lord until the last end, he will prove to be loyal and dependable". This (SPOILER again) will greatly influenced Guan Yu's decision to spare Cao Cao in Huarong pass after the conclusion of the battle of Red Cliff, who was accompanied and escorted by battered and beaten Zhang Liao, his old mate at the time.
can u elaborate more on the part on how Zhang Xiu defeated Cao Cao? All i know was its Jia Xu is involved but i dont know the details. And what happened to them in the end?
Cool History Bros, can you please make a video on a Buddhist monk named Faxian, as well as another video on a Buddhist monk named Yijing. You already made a video on Xuanzang.
Lu bu was just a beast. Just what would have happened if Cao cao would have successfully captured him and made him into an subordinate who is loyal to him…
Is this even in doubt? Lu Bu never saw a back he didn't think would be improved with a knife sticking out. It'd only be a matter of time before he betrayed Cao Cao too.
No difference. He was strong but he was just one person. The ambush by Li Jue and Guo Si were enough to send him running. Cao Cao really had no shortage of talent as he was the most legitimate and richest.
Hey, found your vids and subbed the other night. I love these videos of yours i really appreciate them as i love China's ancient history. For some reason i have always felt really close to it. Anyways. CHB you rock. Pleasseee keep'em coming!
13:01 to put family's interests behind a guest's. this mindset is still going strong among many culturally fundamental Chinese. One friend of mine got divorced by his wife a few years ago for upholding this principle. For example, my friend and his wife already arranged a quality time at a weekend for some time, only to be cancelled at the last moment when a relative or stranger decided to visit their home. And this kind of events happened for years until the wife couldn't take it anymore.
The hypocrisy of Liu Bei was most vividly reflected in this period. Ambitious but always trying to set himself up as a moral model, so always be swayed by considerations of gain and loss, that is Liu Bei.
Yes he's ambitious.. even from the very young age But i think he is not trying to be a moral model. He is a man who just want to live up to the ideal standard of his era, while pursuing his ambition. Maybe not a great leader like Caocao, but i think he was definitely a good man.. When in office he govern his people well and won their heart. Many great general and good official sided to him is also a merit...
@@qq6531 His benevolence just political act. Because he have Imperial Bloodlines. Liu Bei dont have Military skill but have Propaganda Principle & Imperial Bloodline that attract some great talented officers. On the other hand, Cao Cao is not havinv Imperial Bloodline but have many great talented officer too. Because Cao Cao dont care about family figure background, anyone have skill Cao Cao reward it. That also attract many great person that dont have good family background.
@@syv5013 His benevolence just political act. Because he have Imperial Bloodlines." I don't see the logical relation here. You need proof to prove that his benevolence is just political act. Let's say his benevolence is just political act. He didnt conduct a single massacre. On the other hand, Cao Cao and his generals conduct multiple times of massacre. Even if Liu Bei "not conducting massacres" is a political act, from moral perspective, he is still better than Cao Cao. "Liu Bei dont have Military skill but have Propaganda Principle & Imperial Bloodline that attract some great talented officers. " First, Liu Bei actually get to promote during Yellow Turban Rebellion. So it is absurd to say that he don't have military skill. Also, Liu Bei is famous for his ambition and bravery. Again, you need more proof to prove that "Propaganda Principle & Imperial Bloodline that attract some great talented officers" instead of just saying it. "On the other hand, Cao Cao is not having Imperial Bloodline but have many great talented officer too. Because Cao Cao dont care about family figure background, anyone have skill Cao Cao reward it. That also attract many great person that dont have good family background." If you do study the history of three kingdoms, you would see that although Cao cao stand for "Meritocracy" (唯才是舉), his officers were composed mainly of members of big family (世家大族). Not a lot of officers were actually come from nowhere (單家/ 寒門). If you are interested in the history of three kingdoms, read some books before rushing to the conclusion.
Yuan Shu isn't only a deluded warlord, but also one incompetent bastard of a leader. His rebellion was thoroughly unprepared that he forcefully conscript farmers and left his territory bereft of labours. Without farmers to toil the land, coupled with a bad drought and flooding; famine was unavoidable and throughout the campaign against Yuan Shu, many warlords had witnessed how the people of Yang province resorted to cannibalism on each other. His end would be him running away from the warlord and died of thirst on some unknown swamp as the romance told of it.
Dynasty warriors movie comin up on Netflix . It’s lubu!! Why does cao cao like married and widowed chics? It’s kinda weird. Never heard of the one about the farmer cooking his wife. Basically turns a used car 🚗 salesman into Hannibal lechter
there's a theory. women married young back then, like 14 years old young. especially in times of war, all women were pretty much married by the time they were 16. so when they say he likes married women, its possible that he just likes 20 year olds(almost all of whom would have been married), instead of 16 year olds. He's just not afraid of taking other people's wives like other people would be.
Liu Bei: Help me! Cao Cao! Lu Bu wants me dead! Cao Cao: This hypocrite wants my help... Fine... Lu Bu the meat head with a heaven horse... Must die! Then after I will reap the rewards and territory! Guan Yu: I want the heaven horse after this!
The irony that Liu Bei should’ve let Cao Cao spare and use Lu Bu. Also convince him to execute Zhang Liao (however unlikely). It would’ve been better for him and Shu-Han
Oh boy the historical version is going to be a hour long video to get through especially with the other characters that were involved, like shi xie, zhang lu, and liu Chong
@@VisualdelightPro Cao Cao was describe as a vilain in the novel and Liu Bei as a hero, but in history Liu Bei was not so good and Cao Cao not so bad ;)
Can you recommend a good English translation of this story? I enjoy having physical books for some of my favorite stories esp ones from other cultures like journey to the west.
Hi, I enjoyed your video. I'm sure you majored in East Asian history. am I right? your videos deal with Chinese history, Japanese history, and Korean history. you are well aware of those fields.
I read on scholar of Shen Zhou's forum (kongming.net), the historical Lu Bu actually also an excellent commander who usually win with a much smaller forces. That's why Cao Cao focus on Lu Bu first (following Guo Jia's advise). After that, Liu Bei. After he rebelled and take Xu Zhou. Although Liu Bei have 50,000 troops (he execute the former commander, Che Zhou), the loyalty of the troops weren't establish enough. If Cao Cao don't take Liu Bei ASAP, he will give difficulties. According to history, Liu Bei is also an excellent commander. The Bowang Slope's ambush is originally his doing, not Zhuge Liang. He is no better different than Cao Cao too. Not the one who really care with Han dynasty. He also an ambitious ruler.
Cao Cao: Brother Fengxian (Lu Bu’s courtesy name), you are a great and powerful warrior! Wanna join my army? Let us rule China together! Hahaha! Liu Bei: Brother Mengde (Cao Cao’s courtesy name), Lu Bu Fengxian is a treacherous viper who likes to stab everyone in the back and his previous daddies got killed by Lu Bu. Wanna lose your neck just like Ding Yuan and Dong Zhuo?! Cao Cao: Heh, you’re right, Brother Xuande (Liu Bei’s courtesy name), you are correct. Lu Bu Fengxian, time for you to die! Lu Bu: Curse you, Liu Bei Xuande, you big eared villain! Curse you, Cao Mengde, you sleazy villain!
@@CoolHistoryBros Awesome, can't wait for that video! I reckon Xiang Yu as well, if only because of that one scene in the Chu-Han Contention/King's War series where he lifts that ding up, love that scene to bits. None the less, they are both extremely formidable warriors so I would love to see your analysis of them.
*"Lu Bu Must Die!"* To Cao Cao, Liu Bei, and other warlords: *M I S S I O N O B J E C T I V E* To Lu Bu: *_"That's the only difficulty that I play, baby."_*
Lu Bu betray Ding Yuan, Dong Zhuo, Liu Bei... in the end, his underling betray him Romance of the Three Kingdom era full of Karma. • Liu Bei take his relative Liu Zhang's land & exiled him after he surrendered...in the future his son, Liu Shan, surrendered to Wei. • Cao Cao kidnapped & puppetted the Emperor. Cao Pi usurped the Emperor & forced him to abdicate. In the future, his descendant will be puppetted & force to abdicate by Sima Clan. • Title of Emperor is sacred. And someone who want to be Emperor must unite all China first. But Cao Pi, Liu Bei, Sun Quan are greedy & too quick to proclaim to be the Emperor without uniting the China first. Then, their Empire regime just short. Not even survive in 100 years.
He might be potraited like stupid in the story , in the reallife he might not be that stupid as the story. Like you can cheat him a gold with 3 candy. Some people just never care how their decision will affect the political image. Some more by killing DongZhuo might earn him respected by some people at least for whatever the reason include ChenGong who was known to stand on righteuos
@@xfool Chen Gong seen through Cao Cao as a Meglomaniac. If you ever played Honkai Impact 3rd, you would know Otto the Magnificent Apocalypse is the Embodiment Cao Coa's Ambition.
Once I get into Lu Bu's real history, you will know how massive a douchebag he really was.
... You know, he had to be pretty terrible considering he looks bad even compared to people like Cao Cao and Liu Bei.
Well he did seem to have a severe form of CBD(Chronic Backstabbing Disorder)
I love how Lu Bu was *such* an absolute asshole that he ended up inspiring Cao Cao and Liu Bei to team up just to take him out. That's going well and beyond everyday douchebaggery.
@@jasonblalock4429 I mean Yuan Shu and Dong Zhuo also inspired such cooperation between rivals
There are a lot of backstabbing happening here and there. But Lu Bu betrays his sworn godfather, and twice at that. In Confucian society, killing your own father is probably the greatest sin you can ever commit. So that's where the majority of Lu Bu's negative reputation, notwithstanding that his second godfather is a tyrannical villain as well.
I love how much of an agent of chaos Lu Bu has been here. He just ricochets around getting into random beefs with people.
He just likes causing trouble
I really admire the time put into these to make the characters, however minor, look unique, and have their own personality. It makes everything much more memorable and fun.
Biggest Power spike of all time, Cao Cao has acquired item: Young Emperor +5 legitimacy +25 cunning.
I understood that reference
Among warriors:lu but
Among brains:
Well, definitely not lu bu.
Among brains, Zhuge Liang!
@@alexandersilady4751 true
@@demonfromhell2022 Zhuge Liang outwitted Sima Yi many times and eventually tricked him into a fiery ambush. Sima Yi almost died until the intervention of a heavy downpour. Even after Zhuge Liang passed away, he tricked him one last time and Sima Yi lamented that he will be forever remembered in history as being tricked by a dead Zhuge Liang!
@@demonfromhell2022 zhuge liang had the upper hand in most battle against sima yi, almost killed him a couple times. unfortunately, his base is simply not as good as sima yi's. Shu han has way less manpower and less grain and a much longer trek through the mountains to attack. thus all sima yi had to do is hide, defend and wait for zhuge liang to run out of food. you can see a real change in sima yi's battle behavior after zhuge liang's death, where once he could only stay back and defend, he could really run wild once sima yi is dead.
Zhuge liang is smart? Fa Zhang and Pang tong is way better than him lol
Extra People unmentioned in this, based on the _Romance of the Three Kingdoms_ :
3:56 - The Bodyguard's possible name was _Zhang Kai_ , indeed a former Yellow Turban, who was Serving Tao Qian. Possibly fled after Killing Cao Song.
7:59 - The man here is named _Cao Bao_ , though I am not exactly sure. Cao Bao was Killed by Zhang Fei.
9:30 - Yuan Shu's General is known as _Ji Ling_ . He Agreed, along with Liu Bei, to Lu Bu's Bet from a Bow to the Halberd.
9:53 - Yuan Shu's possible Only Son is known as _Yuan Yao_ , he indeed was to be married to Lu Bu's daughter, known in popular culture as 'Lu Lingqi', however by following the Unconfirmed Trend in the ROTK novel, would I think she would be possibly known as _Lady Lu_ .
10:26 - The Woman is Possibly Known as _Lady Zou/Zhou_ ; Zhang Xiu's Uncle, _Zhang Ji_ 's Wife. She was indeed taken as a Concubine to Cao Cao.
10:56 - Apart from Dian Wei and Cao Ang, Cao Cao's Nephew: _Cao Anmin_ , was also killed during the battle against Zhang Xiu.
11:32 - Cao Cao was indeed running out of food during the campaign, so the "Controller of the Granaries", or a Supply Officer by the name of _Wang Hou_ was indeed Framed for "embezzling supplies", and was then executed. It had indeed, in the end: "appeased the discontent."
13:31 - Lu Bu's Generals: _Song Xian_ , and _Wei Xu_ were the ones that indeed Captured Lu Bu in Xiapi, and brought him to Cao Cao, to then be Executed. _Hou Cheng_ was also Involved in the Mutiny, however not near the Capture Site or Effort against Lu Bu. Song Xian and Wei Xu then went on to serve Cao Cao, along with Zhang Liao, however, Hou Cheng's future by this point is not known by me.
"I'm the emperor" said Yuan Shu
Nobody like that
Finally, an Over Simplified fan！
Yeah, Sun Jiang giving Yuan Shu the Seal was definitely a waste, but I can understand he was trying to liberate his wife
@@williamwan3712 w8 a second, Oversimplified said that exactly! I didn't know that I said it as a joke, also I'm sure someone said something referencing oversimplified.
It's like the governor of California declaring himself president.
@@TeleologicalConsistency More like the Governor of Oregon. Yuan Shu wasn't that powerful, while California has the highest Population, political influence the largest economy of the USA. I think Wei would be most similar to California in regards to its importance to the country.
In (South) Vietnamese "lu bu" literally means "being a nuisance"
LOL! Does it refer to the guy or is it a different word?
Lữ Bố
@@CoolHistoryBros I don’t know how it was made, but there was a saying in Vietnamese, “Bị Tào Tháo rượt” which translates to “Being chased by Cao Cao” often used when someone have a stomachache and “needs to go”.
@@CoolHistoryBros it does refer to the guy, but it means being a nuisance. its like a proverb. Vietnamese still uses a lot of Three Kingdoms vocab as proverbs. One example is nhắc Tào Tháo, Tào Tháo tới (speak of Cao Cao, here Cao Cao comes), basically speaking of the devil.
@@conho4898 I think that proverb about Cao Cao came from the Chinese version"說曹操曹操到 (speak of Cao Cao, here Cao Cao comes)". I could see that even the pronunciation is similar too.
Ah the Warlord periods are always my favorites, from the warring states, the fall of the Han to the Warlord era of the 1900s in China, all are fascinating to me and it warms my heart to see more history about them(even the romanticized version!)
Same!
The Loyalty, Betrayal, Backstabbing, Valor, Cowardice, all in one era.
I'm glad you're doing this video series. It's very daunting trying to read the Romance of the Three Kingdoms when you have very little time and energy. Thank you for this summarized version of the story!
Interesting to see you guys try a more episodic series. Great job conveying the complex goings on of the time.
I'd been looking forward to this episode. It's crazy to think that a character like Lu Bu who is often portrayed as "China's Greatest Warrior" is so haphazard with his dealings with other people, it's a miracle he survived far longer than he should have. Not to mention for a general we got his ass kicked a lot by a variety of different opponents. Perhaps the best example of how pitiful a warlord Lu Bu was is his short feud with the bandit leader Zang Ba (Style name Xuangao) .
Now Zang Ba has an interesting life story worthy of its own video, but simply put by the time Lu Bu took over Xu providence, Zang Ba was leading a bandit army made up of former Tao Qian men he recruited during the Yellow Turban Rebellion and were trying to form their own independent regime. They raided the treasury of Xiao Jian, who was an ally of Lu Bu at the time. After failing to convince Zang Ba to give it all back, Lu Bu declare war against him, despite the warnings of Chen Gong and others.
Zang Ba was not an easy target to fight. 1: He was no stranger to fighting against bigger numbers (from rescuing his father from a 100+ prison escort with only 20-30 men to his experiences during the Yellow Turban Rebellion) and 2: He had home field advantage as the fighting took place on Mount Tai, where Zang Ba had his home base and where he staged all of his attacks. He fended of Lu Bu and was actually beating him. But before he could get a decisive victory, Yuan Shu made his power play for Xu.
Realizing that regardless of the result, the victor would be too weak to fend of Yuan Shu, Zang Ba made peace with Lu Bu and sided with him till the Battle of Xiapi, where Lu Bu was captured and Zang Ba fled. Cao Cao caught him and instead of executing him, made him a vassal ruler of Xu providence and his men local administrators.
Yeah when people talk about the greatest warrior of that period I always think of Zhang Liao.Dude was an absolute monster.Along with Zhu huan.
Lu Bu is a great warrior but his mind is just a man child. Very brash and naive.
like Xiang Yu who fought Liu Bang
@@demonfromhell2022 Xiang Yu is somewhat of an a-hole. But at least he died fighting
Lu Bu
Fighting : 99
intelligence ：1
He's actually pretty smart and calculating. The problem is his enemies were smarter and more calculating and he refused to listen to wise advisors.
@@TeleologicalConsistency The problem is that he had a lot of enemy’s it was like him vs the whole world
6:57 Oh. He has an axe. Just like in Dynasty Warriors. Nice.
I-IT'S LU BUUU!
Indeed Lu Bu is here to kick anyone asses ! >:)
Do not engage Lu Bu!
(Unless you're Cao Cao.)
(Lu Bu's theme intensifies)
Cao Cao : "Liu Bei, What do you think? Should I let Lu Bu join me?"
Lu Bu : "Liu Bei, Please help me."
Liu Bei : "Alright... Lord Cao Cao, Do you know that all the men Lu Bu pledged his allegiance to all met a terrible end? So, I think You should..."
Cao Cao : "Uh-huh..."
Lu Bu : "Oh Shit..."
Liu Bei is also in dilema.
If he said Yes.
Cao Cao will have great General. Even Guan Yu & Zhang Fei cant win in duel 1 v 1 with Lu Bu.
But, Liu Bei is also stupid. If he said Yes...
Lu Bu will kill Cao Cao.
Three Kingdom will not happen. Liu Bei liberate Emperor & unite China will be easier than if Cao Cao alive.
@@syv5013 Nah... That's never gonna happen... It's not like Cao Cao doesn't know Lu Bu and what kind of man he is...
Don't forget, Cao Cao know Lu Bu for a long time. Before he orchestrated the forming of the coalition army Cao Cao used to pretend to be a lackey to Dong Zhuo in order to assassinate him so He got a chance to get acquainted with Lu Bu even before They go against each other.
So even if Liu Bei pleads to Cao Cao to let Lu Bu join him. Cao Cao wouldn't let Lu Bu go around unwatch and has a chance to come up with a plan to harm him... at the very least not until Lu Bu really proves himself that he can be trusted... Which admit it, We all know that also not going to happen...
And you know what's the worst-case possible outcome for Liu Bei in that scenario? Lu Bu still behaving himself to try to stay in Cao Cao's good grace at the time Cao Cao discovered that Liu Bei was a part of the emperor's blood letter conspiracy. Now, Who do you think Cao Cao would send to hunt down Liu Bei in order to prove his loyalty?
Lu Bu was petty and spiteful so he definitely going to use this chance to get back at Liu Bei for helping Cao Cao captured him. And even if he wants to use this chance to escape and join forces with Liu Bei to fight against Cao Cao, He betreyed Liu Bei before... not to mention that Guan Yu and Zhang Fei both hate Lu Bu's guts so Liu Bei is not going to be willing to ally himself with Lu Bu.
So if Liu Bei was lucky Lu Bu will go ahead and get himself killed trying to get away from Cao Cao's clutch, If not then He has to fight Lu Bu who carries out Cao Cao's order.
And so boo hoo, Lu Bu, was executed.
@@ThanoosUdom If Liu Bei pled for Lu Bu to be spared to serve Cao Cao, I imagine he'd be met with "Since you have pled his case, let him serve you." Because as Liu Bei pointed out, everyone Lu Bu serves under...
“The only thing that matters is how one’s own strategies are going to work. There is no need to study the old-fashioned rules of warfare!”
- Huo Qubing (c. 140-117 BCE)
Huo?
Lu Bu "hey everyone I'm here to Betray Everyone"
9:25 & 9:34 YuanShu didn't send any random general, but his premier general, JiLing from 📍ShanDong. He could stand off about 30 rounds with GuanYu, but eventually stubbed & killed by ZhangFei's voulge after challenging him for the 10th rounds
These are so brilliant! I decided I was going to jump in the pool and finally read The Romance of the Three Kingdoms and I am glad I stumbled upon these videos. Excellent summation and overview of characters and happenings within the stories. Great for noobs like me who are a little intimidated with how vast the story is. Thank you!!! New sub here!
There are many important details that need to be left out to make this video as compact as possible, but I wouldn't mind watching longer version of this. But here:
Sun Jian was accused of hiding the Heirloom Seal by various warlords in the coalition, he lied 3 times (he swore that he will die miserably if he lies) and escaped with it, so he kinda did. The second lie were paid by his (spoiler), son, and the final one, by his son's sworn brother.
A version in the Romance said that when Liu Bei was sent to engage Yuan Shu, it was Chen Gong who advised Lu Bu to take over Xuzhou. Lu Bu hesitated at first, but he was reminded that he was more of brawns instead of brains and it was a situation like this that caused him to be a wandering vagabond despite his talents and good looks. He is a bit offended, but he agreed anyway.
When Lu Bu was captured, he was unsettled and very uncomfortable in bounds. Zhang Liao yelled at his Lord to "man up" - this impresses the big shots. Then Lu Bu plead for mercy and exchange his life for his service. Cao Cao was initially swayed, but Liu Bei reminded him that he has killed his last 2 fathers, then Cao Cao ordered his execution. Lu Bu was incensed and accuse Liu Bei of being ungrateful after what he did for him (Lu Bu still welcomed him back after conquering Xuzhou and the Yuan Shu archery affair). He cussed at both Liu Bei and Cao Cao all the way to his execution spot. Zhang Liao waiting outside the court witnessed the whining general, when they met, he yelled at his former lord again "die like a man, and STFU!"
Zhang Liao has no hesitation when he is about executed, "just get it over with" - it was Guan Yu whose bromance sense was woken up at this sassy display of manhood, he pleaded for Zhang Liao's mercy, "he is a brave general, staying with his lord until the last end, he will prove to be loyal and dependable". This (SPOILER again) will greatly influenced Guan Yu's decision to spare Cao Cao in Huarong pass after the conclusion of the battle of Red Cliff, who was accompanied and escorted by battered and beaten Zhang Liao, his old mate at the time.
can u elaborate more on the part on how Zhang Xiu defeated Cao Cao? All i know was its Jia Xu is involved but i dont know the details. And what happened to them in the end?
The lesson I learnt was, if you want to do something kill Lu Bu first.
But even then must you never pursue him
@@shanedoesyoutube8001 kill him with love affair lol
Do not pursue Lü Bu
Cao Cao does not womanize. He merely distributes love equally.
Also cao cao run away run away
Thank you for covering my favorite Chinese Historical Era
Cool History Bros, can you please make a video on a Buddhist monk named Faxian, as well as another video on a Buddhist monk named Yijing. You already made a video on Xuanzang.
It is part of my to do list, but it's going to take a while for me to get there, so be patient, please.
@@CoolHistoryBros As long as the topics I requested are on your list, that's all that matters to me.
10:16 It really says something when not even Lu Bu has such a counter.
Well the counter is the number of times Liu Bei went against his principles. I'm not sure Lu Bu had any he could go against. :P
@@DAv2003 True.
If Zhang Fei wasn't so damn hot headed, so many problems would never happen. Naturally he's a favorite.
On the other hand, I can't even recall how many years The Ravages of Time spent on getting Lü Bu killed.
ravages of time's lubu is 1000x better than san guo yan yi's lubu lol
@@Neuvari even in Dynasty Warriors series Lui But, 100 times far better than Bitch boi Luo Guanzhong's Liu Bei
Lu bu was just a beast. Just what would have happened if Cao cao would have successfully captured him and made him into an subordinate who is loyal to him…
Is this even in doubt? Lu Bu never saw a back he didn't think would be improved with a knife sticking out. It'd only be a matter of time before he betrayed Cao Cao too.
@@jasonblalock4429 I know, but what if…
No difference. He was strong but he was just one person. The ambush by Li Jue and Guo Si were enough to send him running. Cao Cao really had no shortage of talent as he was the most legitimate and richest.
Zhang Liao is already a version of "Loyal Lu Bu" plus Cao Cao have many great officer.
So yeah Lu Bu is not so worth.
@@jonasleclerc4250 More like what if Zhang Fei didn't have a big a** mouth who pisses everyone off. Liu Bei could've had it all tbh
Liu bei: welcome lu bu!
Zhang fei: yeah sure welcome bastard of 3 fathers... or are you the bastard of 5 fathers now?
Hey, found your vids and subbed the other night. I love these videos of yours i really appreciate them as i love China's ancient history. For some reason i have always felt really close to it. Anyways. CHB you rock. Pleasseee keep'em coming!
That title should be a challenge mode in Dynasty Warriors!
I think the hunter was just looking for a reason to get rid of his nagging wife.
13:01 to put family's interests behind a guest's. this mindset is still going strong among many culturally fundamental Chinese. One friend of mine got divorced by his wife a few years ago for upholding this principle. For example, my friend and his wife already arranged a quality time at a weekend for some time, only to be cancelled at the last moment when a relative or stranger decided to visit their home. And this kind of events happened for years until the wife couldn't take it anymore.
Lu Bu treated his horse better than his men. Valued advise from his woman more than his advisor. Dont do those things.
The hypocrisy of Liu Bei was most vividly reflected in this period. Ambitious but always trying to set himself up as a moral model, so always be swayed by considerations of gain and loss, that is Liu Bei.
Disagree. He is a ambitious warlord but he is also one of the most benevolent one by that time.
Yes he's ambitious.. even from the very young age
But i think he is not trying to be a moral model. He is a man who just want to live up to the ideal standard of his era, while pursuing his ambition. Maybe not a great leader like Caocao, but i think he was definitely a good man.. When in office he govern his people well and won their heart. Many great general and good official sided to him is also a merit...
Liu Bei's kindness is generally acknowledged for thousand years. And those "historian" didn't even read a book said that was hypocrisy .
@@qq6531 His benevolence just political act.
Because he have Imperial Bloodlines.
Liu Bei dont have Military skill but have Propaganda Principle & Imperial Bloodline that attract some great talented officers.
On the other hand, Cao Cao is not havinv Imperial Bloodline but have many great talented officer too. Because Cao Cao dont care about family figure background, anyone have skill Cao Cao reward it. That also attract many great person that dont have good family background.
@@syv5013 His benevolence just political act. Because he have Imperial Bloodlines."
I don't see the logical relation here. You need proof to prove that his benevolence is just political act. Let's say his benevolence is just political act. He didnt conduct a single massacre. On the other hand, Cao Cao and his generals conduct multiple times of massacre. Even if Liu Bei "not conducting massacres" is a political act, from moral perspective, he is still better than Cao Cao.
"Liu Bei dont have Military skill but have Propaganda Principle & Imperial Bloodline that attract some great talented officers. "
First, Liu Bei actually get to promote during Yellow Turban Rebellion. So it is absurd to say that he don't have military skill. Also, Liu Bei is famous for his ambition and bravery. Again, you need more proof to prove that "Propaganda Principle & Imperial Bloodline that attract some great talented officers" instead of just saying it.
"On the other hand, Cao Cao is not having Imperial Bloodline but have many great talented officer too. Because Cao Cao dont care about family figure background, anyone have skill Cao Cao reward it. That also attract many great person that dont have good family background."
If you do study the history of three kingdoms, you would see that although Cao cao stand for "Meritocracy" (唯才是舉), his officers were composed mainly of members of big family (世家大族). Not a lot of officers were actually come from nowhere (單家/ 寒門).
If you are interested in the history of three kingdoms, read some books before rushing to the conclusion.
Yuan Shu isn't only a deluded warlord, but also one incompetent bastard of a leader. His rebellion was thoroughly unprepared that he forcefully conscript farmers and left his territory bereft of labours. Without farmers to toil the land, coupled with a bad drought and flooding; famine was unavoidable and throughout the campaign against Yuan Shu, many warlords had witnessed how the people of Yang province resorted to cannibalism on each other.
His end would be him running away from the warlord and died of thirst on some unknown swamp as the romance told of it.
Seeing Zhang Fei so dark keeps making me mistaken him as Zhou Cang XD
Love your content bro
Lu Bu is like a Musclebound Troll who keeps Ruining Everyone's Plans.
I am really enjoying these episodes, thanks!
Dynasty warriors movie comin up on Netflix . It’s lubu!!
Why does cao cao like married and widowed chics? It’s kinda weird. Never heard of the one about the farmer cooking his wife. Basically turns a used car 🚗 salesman into Hannibal lechter
there's a theory. women married young back then, like 14 years old young. especially in times of war, all women were pretty much married by the time they were 16. so when they say he likes married women, its possible that he just likes 20 year olds(almost all of whom would have been married), instead of 16 year olds. He's just not afraid of taking other people's wives like other people would be.
Liu Bei: Help me! Cao Cao! Lu Bu wants me dead!
Cao Cao: This hypocrite wants my help... Fine... Lu Bu the meat head with a heaven horse... Must die! Then after I will reap the rewards and territory!
Guan Yu: I want the heaven horse after this!
Red Hare: *neighs*
The irony that Liu Bei should’ve let Cao Cao spare and use Lu Bu. Also convince him to execute Zhang Liao (however unlikely). It would’ve been better for him and Shu-Han
If Zhang Liao died…
No Battle of Hefei and Sun Quan doesn’t lose big time
Maybe, Lu Bu is The China's Legendary Achilles.
Oh boy the historical version is going to be a hour long video to get through especially with the other characters that were involved, like shi xie, zhang lu, and liu Chong
Amazing series as always!
Brave Cao Cao ran away, he bravely ran away away!
Amazing video dude
really nice painting.画得真好。
Everyone will remember that...
Nice 😂😂
I was waiting for this bro thanks
Good stuff. Keep em coming.
Really good work
Meglomaniac Cao Cao, you the Satanael will not get away with your crimes!
@@VisualdelightPro Cao Cao was describe as a vilain in the novel and Liu Bei as a hero, but in history Liu Bei was not so good and Cao Cao not so bad ;)
Yeah I think it’s time for another reread of Ravages of Time
liu bei is so ugly while lu bu is so handsome hahah great chanel!!
Kingdom (anime) is very good indeed now on season 3.
14:01 "And so boo hoo, Lu Bu was executed"
Oversimplified brought me to Dong Zhuo's Burning Corpse as a BBQ Party.
A man of culture i see
One thing I learn about the three kingdoms...these people have ALOT of patience lol.
13:48 Nice Star Wars reference
Do not approach lu bu
Looking forward to ep3
The next episode will be an interesting one.
Can't wait till we get to the war of the eight princes
Can you recommend a good English translation of this story? I enjoy having physical books for some of my favorite stories esp ones from other cultures like journey to the west.
This is the story of A world betrayer dlc in Tw three kingdoms
Rotk game is better bro 👍
After this, please cover Han Dynasty, Song Dynasty and Ming Dynasty.
I wonder why Dynasty Warriors Depict Dian Wei as a Beardless Goldberg?
What? Dian Wei is Jewish???
Hi, I enjoyed your video. I'm sure you majored in East Asian history. am I right? your videos deal with Chinese history, Japanese history, and Korean history. you are well aware of those fields.
I read on scholar of Shen Zhou's forum (kongming.net), the historical Lu Bu actually also an excellent commander who usually win with a much smaller forces. That's why Cao Cao focus on Lu Bu first (following Guo Jia's advise). After that, Liu Bei. After he rebelled and take Xu Zhou. Although Liu Bei have 50,000 troops (he execute the former commander, Che Zhou), the loyalty of the troops weren't establish enough. If Cao Cao don't take Liu Bei ASAP, he will give difficulties. According to history, Liu Bei is also an excellent commander. The Bowang Slope's ambush is originally his doing, not Zhuge Liang. He is no better different than Cao Cao too. Not the one who really care with Han dynasty. He also an ambitious ruler.
So good!
Lu bu still confused me on something what exactly was his objective because he serve many Lords and he wasn’t doing any advantages in gain territory
Wtffff, I can see why they would remove the cannibalism part from my old children version of the three kingdoms
Cao Cao: Brother Fengxian (Lu Bu’s courtesy name), you are a great and powerful warrior! Wanna join my army? Let us rule China together! Hahaha!
Liu Bei: Brother Mengde (Cao Cao’s courtesy name), Lu Bu Fengxian is a treacherous viper who likes to stab everyone in the back and his previous daddies got killed by Lu Bu. Wanna lose your neck just like Ding Yuan and Dong Zhuo?!
Cao Cao: Heh, you’re right, Brother Xuande (Liu Bei’s courtesy name), you are correct. Lu Bu Fengxian, time for you to die!
Lu Bu: Curse you, Liu Bei Xuande, you big eared villain! Curse you, Cao Mengde, you sleazy villain!
Do not pursue Lu Bu!
How many kingdoms are there?
Hey Cool History, got a question for you mate - who do you reckon was the greater warrior? Xiang Yu or Lu Bu?
Personally, I think it's Xiang Yu, but I will let you guys decide in a future video.
@@CoolHistoryBros Awesome, can't wait for that video! I reckon Xiang Yu as well, if only because of that one scene in the Chu-Han Contention/King's War series where he lifts that ding up, love that scene to bits. None the less, they are both extremely formidable warriors so I would love to see your analysis of them.
I think Xiang Yu better than Lu bu
Xiang Yu. nobody could touch Xiang Yu even all the best warrior in his time combine to fight himself.
Liu Bei is a famous contradiction
*"Lu Bu Must Die!"*
To Cao Cao, Liu Bei, and other warlords: *M I S S I O N O B J E C T I V E*
To Lu Bu: *_"That's the only difficulty that I play, baby."_*
Funny how my ancestors are such fierce fighters. What happened to me? LOLs....
Lu Bu
Fighting : 99
intelligence ：1
Looking : 1
Lu Bu was actually quite a good looker while still remain as a macho man.
Are you Korean admin ?
looool, this is fun!
And I thought Crisis of the Third Century was a convoluted mess of backstabbing and usurpations...
Well hey, at least China didn't have shit like replacing emperors every few months
Lu Bu betray Ding Yuan, Dong Zhuo, Liu Bei...
in the end, his underling betray him
Romance of the Three Kingdom era full of Karma.
• Liu Bei take his relative Liu Zhang's land & exiled him after he surrendered...in the future his son, Liu Shan, surrendered to Wei.
• Cao Cao kidnapped & puppetted the Emperor.
Cao Pi usurped the Emperor & forced him to abdicate.
In the future, his descendant will be puppetted & force to abdicate by Sima Clan.
• Title of Emperor is sacred. And someone who want to be Emperor must unite all China first. But Cao Pi, Liu Bei, Sun Quan are greedy & too quick to proclaim to be the Emperor without uniting the China first. Then, their Empire regime just short. Not even survive in 100 years.
Only the Sima Clan managed to unify all of China.
For like a decade before they started killing each other, which is an even worse track record.
Nice
Wow, I'm finding it hard to listen after the cannibalism. Rewind, rewind.
The wife part came from nowhere
Cool
人中呂布，馬中赤兔。
JI LING HAS A NAME 😭😭
And he went to battle Thor
12:43 lmao
how did Chen Gong suddenly serve Lu Bu, why serve such a moraless man?
He might be potraited like stupid in the story , in the reallife he might not be that stupid as the story. Like you can cheat him a gold with 3 candy. Some people just never care how their decision will affect the political image. Some more by killing DongZhuo might earn him respected by some people at least for whatever the reason include ChenGong who was known to stand on righteuos
@@hrs.ai2018 doesnt make sense that he reject CaoCao over LuBu that killed his godfather for a horse to side with Dong Zhuo
@@xfool if my explain does not make sense to you, find those will make in your sense, peace.. ;)
@@xfool Chen Gong seen through Cao Cao as a Meglomaniac. If you ever played Honkai Impact 3rd, you would know Otto the Magnificent Apocalypse is the Embodiment Cao Coa's Ambition.
@@VisualdelightPro I m not defending Cao Cao , Chen gong could have not choose to be Lu Bu advisor
Coool
no war could be won alone , so no one able to kill more than 10k soldier alone then
:D
No Simo Hayaha did.
@@VisualdelightPro ssssstttt keep your voice down ....
I feel sorry for Lu bu
Lu Bu is a noob General lol.