Liu Bei declared himself the emperor of Han, not Shu. It's like the western historians called the eastern empire Byzantine empire but the Byzantines call themselves Romans.
his kingdom was called Shu Han, or "new Han". While he claimed the overall Han throne, he had no control over the Wu and Wei kingdoms so he could only really claim "Shu"
@@SantomPh thank you dude. I've tried explaining this 1000 times to people but they dont understand. He had no choice but to call himself an emperor at that point because that title came with respect...respect=power even if you dont want to take the title (which he didn't)
@@SantomPh The dynasty proclaimed by Liu Bei was Han. At that time, people of Han dynasty knew that Cao Pi usurped the throne and murdered the emperor of the Han. The Eastern Han Dynasty had been wiped out and no longer existed. Therefore, Liu Bei, as a descendant of the Han Dynasty, should rised the banner of the Han Dynasty with righteous . He represents the orthodoxy, and he represents the destiny of ancient gods. To distinguish, historians call this dynasty the "Ji Han/Third Han/季汉". Western Han, Eastern Han,Third Han, like this. Although Ji Han did not unify the land, from a legal point of view, it actually was the Han Dynasty, just like if Germany annex France into its territory during World War II, then free France could be France. Throughout at the Jihan period, its people and officers called their empire Han, and “Han" is also written in its war banner. It's just that the enemies refused to admit it, insisting that it was 蜀汉/Shuhan.
@@SantomPh Liu Bei's regime is located in Shu. In order to make distinctions and out of habit, people in later generations gradually called it the Shu Han . But at the era when Liu Bei became the emperor, he proclaim his regime Han. He indeed inherited Han in the legal sense. According to the concepts of the people at that time and the dynasty tradition of Chinese civilization, it actually was Han,not Shu Han,not Shu.
Fun fact: The school Liu Bei went to be taught by Lu Zhi is speculated as one of the "top tier" schools that existed during that time according to history (not to be confused with romance). His family wasn't all that bad off as its made out to be Romance, him making sandals are speculated as some what of means of luxury.
@@denniseggert211 Fair point. The Holy Roman Empire was a complex mess of semi-autonomous/semi-independent states with its central authority gradually imploding all the way to its demise during the Napoleonic wars. "HRE...not holy, not Roman, and not an empire"
Thanks John! Finally, a properly pronounced 3 kingdoms . So happy! Love your background on the many personalities - it makes the fast paced narrative so much easier to understand!
I very much appreciate the pronunciation of names in this series. Many other channels are also doing other TW:ROTK videos and are butchering names. I would love to see more videos in this series.
To western viewers, this Three Kingdoms period is so big and important, We Chinese made a deity/god out of one of the general, Guan Yu, Liu Bei's sworn brother. He's known for his righteousness and loyalty.
You got acouple things wrong. Yuan Shu dealt Liu Bei a defeat after Lu Bu took his province. (Not Yuan Shao) Liu Bei Assisted Yuan Shao against Cao Cao. You cut a few corners with Lu Bu's and Liu Bei's relationship (they did fight together against Yuan Shu at one point, but ofcourse Lu Bu betrayed him again.)... Plus much more.
@@InvictaHistory Good on you for admitting to a mistake. As Shakespeare had written, "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." I know it may seem out of context, but the idea here is that a wise man knows when he has failed, admits to it, and then learns from it. There is no such thing as success, if you have never known failure.
I think his logic was that he needed Lu Bu, even if he distrusts Lu Bu, so he let Lu Bu joined him. But then Lu Bu had plans and backstabbed Liu Bei just like he did to everyone else. So, it wasnt that Liu Bei trusted Lu Bu, but that he needed Lu Bu and his strength for his gains.
At least based on the novel. Letting the jackass to backstab oneself is not a bad idea if you gain reputation to be benevolent by helping even a jackass.
When you have a marauding army in your territory and cutthroat neighbors eyeing your lands, you're kind of left with no choice. The strategy was to give Lu Bu a small buffer state as a deterrence against Cao Cao and to keep Lu Bu in check. Ultimately Liu Bei was screwed over by his sworn brother/general Zhang Fei who is always drunk and abusing their officers. Eventually the officers rebelled while Liu Bei is away and hands over the province to Lu Bu on a silver platter. RIP Liu Bei w/ the poor leadership.
From the POV of a Chinese, this is by far the best Total war sponsored video explaining the Three Kingdoms period. It should deep understand of the period's lore and history. Respect.
I hope all of you have this awareness: The last sentences from Liu Bei to his son Liu Shan are "勿以恶小而为之，勿以善小而不为。" "Do not commit an act of evilness just because it is small in scale, and do not fail to commit an act of kindness just because it is small in scale." Liu Bei is the only man with great virtue during that time of chaos. And that's why even today most people are following his example.
I have to say that your ability to foresee trends and create unique videos that stay true to your style but have great mass appeal inspires me as a creator. Keep up the excellent work it has been great to see the channel grow!
I always wondered during Liu Bei escaping San Ye with the refugees, make me wonder if Liu Bei actually forced the citizens to go with him as refugee as "human shield" but the romance novel made it sounding beautiful that the citizens are willing to follow Liu Bei
@@sturgeon.vibess4354 I guess so, was watching another channel like Cool History Bros during their special about "Historical Liu Bei" CJ mentioned it was common in Ancient China there are chances that conquered city population will be exterminated, just to warn other cities of their enemy to "surrender" next time
No offense but "中国人就说你好"，别用英文装。Cao Cao massacred all the citizens after conquering the city of Xuzhou. So this time, the news came that Cao Cao's army was coming, and all the citizens were willing to follow Liu Bei. And also in real history, Liu Bei did say "成大事者，以民为本" "All great achievements established by whom are based on the people's willingness."
Liu Bei's advisors told him to leave the people behind so he could escape faster and reach Jiangling which was an important stronghold in Jing in order to repel Cao Cao, Liu Bei taking the people with him costed him the chance to do so. So I wonder, what reasoning did you use to reach such a wrong conclusion?
@@jmsm7499 reason could be that since the historian wrote this for Liu Bei, how much of it was actually true, maybe Liu Bei wanted to make himself look good and that he didn't screw up so he wrote how taking the people was an act of benevolence and not as a "human shield" for him, to slow down Cao Cao troops
I always play as Sun Jian of Wu. I always make a point in sparing Liu Bei and his men. People who practice what they preach that hard are truly one in a billion.
The Narrator John Zhu also has a podcast about the three kingdoms, I'm really surprised it wasn't mentioned here, it's fantastic i highly recommend it! He might be to humble to advertise for it here, but i think he deserves the shout out.
According to romance, Liu Bei fled to Cao Cao after Lu Bo sieged control of the province. Cao Cao summoned him and asked Liu Bei "who would deserve to be hero in this chaotic time. Liu Bei told Cao Cao several names but Cao Cao shook his head: " there are just you and me" .... Liu Bei was like: "oh shit, this man is going to f*ck me".... that's why Liu Bei will betray Cao Cao later...
As a chinese, this is really good eastern world history that we can all share. Videos about ancient chinese armies would be cool too, just like how people make detailed videos for the ancient romans, crusaders, vikings, etc.
can we just appreciate the historically accurate designs of Liu Bei, Guan Yu, and Zhang Fei's armor and weapons of the time? The Chinese Guandao (glaive) was not a weapon used during this period so Ji halberds and spears were the most likely weapon used by Guan Yu and Zhang Fei.
Really happy for you invicta, such a cool thing to see gamer historian, and collaborator. Giving opportunity to this speaker for their accents for perfection props my dude. Do miss the gaming but you're doing something much greater. I hope you still enjoy yourself.
I really like Liu Bei. Part of me is quite sorry that he didn't manage to reunite the whole of China under a new Han dynasty. But oh well. One can dream.
This series is truly amazing. Hope you can cover all of the Legendary Lords in the game, and perhaps tell us more about chinese history in this period, like the "how they did it" or "Moments" series.
Hey, noticed a minor mistake here. The term 王 or wang used during this time period refers to a prince. Therefore 魏王 is referred to as the Prince of Wei.
I'm a TESOL teacher, and I teach Taiwanese people, which mostly speak Mandarin and Taiwanese. I just want to give John a tremendous thumbs up for his excellent presentation. I can hear that John has been dedicating his time into learning English. Keep up the videos, homeslice.
Didn't Liu Bei seek refuge with Yuan Shao after his loss at Xiapi, not Cao Cao? It was Guan Yu who surrendered to Cao Cao and served him until he found out the whereabouts of his elder brother. Then Guan Yu killed 6 generals on his way North dueling Xiahou Dun to a draw before crossing the Yellow river to find his brothers?
Just one thig, Liu bei in fact call him self emperor of Han, The name Shu is called latter to differentiate with the original Han. And Shu is the geographical terms of the location he finally rule.
One of the english translated books on the water margin that I picked up from the library mentioned a family friend's boy who was also a direct line grandson of the Liu clan residing in Australia.
It's strange to me that Liu Bei has this reputation of virtue an incorruptibility and Cao Cao is seen as a diabolical schemer, despite Liu Bei being the one who participated in a conspiracy to assassinate Cao Cao when they were seemingly allied. Unless I have that wrong of course, I'm new to this time period.
Awesome video. Fun fact about Liu Bei: emperor Xian, the one replaced by Cao Pi, were given land and allowance with a title of Duke of Shanyang and lived on for many years. He later became a devoted physician and helped many in his local area. When Liu Bei declared himself emperor, the true emperor Xian was still very much alive. Historical records show that Emperor Xian heard the news and just laughed out loud without saying anything. If Liu Bei is truly loyal as he had always claimed to be, why did he take the throne instead of asking Emperor Xian? Btw, he declared himself the emperor of Han, not Shu. Shu is a term used by later generations, often use together with Han as "Shu Han" to correctly refer to Liu Bei's reign and set it apart from the Han before him.
But if emperor Xi'an stepped down from the throne of Han to take the title of duke doesn't that mean it's vacant? So another liu family member can become Han emperor
Liu Xie, former emperor Xian was under constant watch of Cao's men, he would not let the last Han emperor out of his control. Cao Pi would murder Xian if he smelled treason, and again he did abdicate, so legally he had no more claim to the throne.
Source that emperor Xian became a physician? How exactly do you want Liu Bei to reach the former emperor? Do you think Wei would let him run around without supervision? That Shu envoys would be allowed free transit inside Wei maybe? You sound quite biased.
Liu Bei himself did not call the country that he established as Shu. He called him Han, as he thought he is the continuing of the Han dynasty. However, as he only controls Yi Province(Sichuan nowadays), he had been called as Shu(the area of Yi Province) by other countries and historians.
@@theeternalslayer No, it was only Han. Shu was added later by historian due to its geographical location to differentiate the different Han states. It is also called Ji Han by historians.
LiuBei is the only warlord who has no record of massacring residents of a conquered city according to all written history of the period of Three Kindoms even written by his enemy.
It's still all quite skin deep Trivia: for example, did any of you know that Dong Zhuo, in his youth, was an idealistic patriot, one who strove to protect the Han's border and its people, and were considered a hero both by the people he protected and also by the nomadic tribes he protected them against, with whom he forged strong bonds There is a lot more to all these historical figures than what you see from playing Dynasty Warriors
many have pointed out some of the mistakes, but man...there's a lot. either way, good that you got the key bits correct and the pronunciation is just perfect.
can somebody explain me this: why they fought between themselves if they were the same single country? In hisotyr of mine country, we had such period where local dukes and bishops fought between themselves fighting for the crown, and this was the worst period we had.
different political lines and different interests.also in a world in which the winner takes all. Han China is as large as Europe. How many wars were there in European history... that's my understanding of why
Awesome. Just preorder 3k but I don't know much about the history. This is easy going thanks. I'm starting as Gongsun Zan hopefully you will show something in the future with him.
Nah, no one really knows how they looked like at the time. Guan yu did use spear, so that's one thing the pic got right, but Liu Bei wasn't a fighter, and they probably wasn't that old either
That area is largely nowadays Fujian province and a portion of Zhejiang province. It used to be the 闽越Minyue Kingdom of Viet peoples in early Western Han period. A kingdom was conferred by emperor Gaozu of W.Han(founder of the dynasty). Then emperor Wu of W.Han reconquered the kingdom and moved all local population north, left the whole area as no-man's land. The motives for this forced migration could be 1) Fujian has too poor soil to make farming. 2)Minyue peoples were too faraway as well as too rebellious to be ruled over. By moving them to better farming lands can result in both better economy and easy rule/tax. When the Eastern Han reestablished administration over China the court left the whole Fujian area out as if it's a desert, because that there was not much to rule, not even like setting up one county. The area was left to the remaining Minyue who were hidden in the mountains and lived autonomously during the entire Eastern Han period. During the Three Kingdoms period the area and its people were called 山越Shanyue barbarians, ie Mountain Viets. Sun Quan of Wu conquered Shanyue and found himself 会稽Kuaiji and 建安Jian'an commandaries .. thus the land united within China again.
@Chris Herrick it's my pleasure. your brought up a very interesting question. I had learned about the events and maps but never asked why..then I realized the reason could be quite cruel.
Great video, though there are some inaccuracies such as Liu Bei's assassination plot being after Yuan Shao's defeat and skipping territorial exchange deal between Shu and Wu. Also Oath of Peachgarden is legend but swear of brotherhood is conjectured to be historical truth.
What old ps2 game are Cao Cao and Liu bei and some others in ? It was like total war, controlling units of soldiers an all but also controlling a single avatar on the field, I believe it was an off shot of dynasty warriors of some type. ??
invicta i respect your work but im gonna have to rewrite this so the facts are not so wrong. beginnings are okay. he hit the rebels, got a gov post, but the government was going for a downsizing he was going to be let go, but since his supervisor was a jackass to him, he beat the guy up and left. he then continued fighting rebels, got a few gov positions, HOWEVER, he got defeated by the rebels and fled to gongsun zan. he got a job off his friend gongsun, then went on to defend against attack from yuan shao for his friend. around that time, tao qian called for help as cao cao began attacking in vengeance. liu bei went over to help, and just so happens lu bu attacked cao cao from behind, taking over cao cao's home base. tao qian was thankful that liu bei came over anyway and left him to govern the territory between him and cao cao's (which was just take over by lu bu for a little while). cao cao blitzkrieged lu bu, and left lu bu on the run. at the same time, tao qian died and left liu bei all of his province. hence, lu bu went to liu bei and then usurped the province, leaving liu bei to the same buffer town he was before. lu bu attacked again, and liu bei fled to cao cao. cao cao took liu bei in because of his fame. cao cao went on to attack lu bu and captured the province that belonged to tao qian before. liu bei was essentially kept under house arrest because cao cao knew liu bei was a troublemaker-which he was, since he agreed to assassinate cao cao under the order of the emperor. however one day cao cao let his guard down. yuan shu was moving his army north into cao cao's territory (to flee to his brother, yuan shao), and liu bei asked to lead an army to take out yuan shu. cao cao agreed, and liu bei fled back to tao qian's province and took it over immediately, raised an army, allied yuan shao, and declared war on cao cao. cao cao blitzed again, took out liu bei, who fled to yuan shao. guan yu however was captured by cao cao and didn't know that liu bei was with yuan shao. cao cao took care of some loose ends and the guandu campaign began. yuan shao vs. cao cao, where guan yu was fighting for cao cao and liu bei was fighting for yuan shao. neither knew where the other one was until in the middle of the campaign, and cao cao let go of guan yu. after guan yu was reunited with liu bei, liu bei came up with an idea to detach himself from yuan shao. he asked to yuan shao for some men to attack cao cao from behind, and so yuan shao let him go. as soon as he got a foothold though cao cao sent a detachment and took care of liu bei with ease. liu bei fled to liu biao in jing province. he was again left on a buffer zone, where he spent a whole decade and weeped about his uselessness. he asked liu biao to ally yuan shao and attack cao cao before it's too late, but liu biao didn't listen. he took both xu shu and zhuge liang as advisors. as he finally had a grand advisor he was soon mentally revitalized. by that time however, cao cao had taken care of yuan shao and his heir, and decided to attack south. liu biao was on the verge of death and was going to give the jing province to liu bei but nobody else wanted that to happen, and so it was passed onto liu biao's son, who immediately surrendered to cao cao. liu bei had his army stationed on the buffer zone and his advisors told him to just take over the province by force, but he refused because morals. the thing with the peasants also happened here, and xu shu's mother was captured, so he left liu bei as well. sun quan sent an envoy to liu bei during this time to discuss an alliance, which he accepted, and was again stationed around the buffer zone. then red cliff. after the red cliff, liu bei and sun quan rushed to take over the jing province as much as they could, and liu bei got almost all of it. as it was done with sun quan's soldiers, the two agreed that as soon as liu bei takes another province, jing should be given to sun quan. next, he raised an army from jing. at this time, cao cao had plans to take over the yi province, controlled by liu zhang. liu zhang invited liu bei to defend against the possible attack, since he knew of liu bei's kindness and *cough cough* loyalty. however, liu bei took over the province by force and left guan yu to guard the jing province. by this time, cao cao also took care of some leftover small time warlords in the north, and there remained only three major powers (and a few tiny ones that i won't bother to talk about), cao cao, liu bei and sun quan. since liu bei took yi province, sun quan asked him to give back jing province, which he transferred half of, and asked to hold on to the other half until he takes over hanzhong. they agreed. soon, liu bei went to attack hanzhong and took it from cao cao. sun quan asked to take jing province again, but guan yu (under the consent of liu bei) told them to f-off. this angered sun quan very much, who planned to punish him severely. guan yu began attacking cao cao from the jing province, and was ambushed, killed, and all of jing province (except some tiny bits which i won't bother to talk about) was taken over by sun quan. liu bei was enraged. the rest of the video was fine, EXCEPT he called himself the emperor of HAN, but it was recorded as Shuhan just so people can distinguish it from all the other Hans in history (western han, eastern han, shu han, late han, northern han...)
Liu Bei was idealist with humble beginnings Cao Cao was cold calculating B Dong Zhou was the arrogant tyrant. I think in Chinese culture they like a person with humble beginnings and idealist and family loving person. The 1st Han Emperor Lui Bang was also very appealing to the Chinese kind hearted with humble beginnings even if he was a sly crook
From the Records of the Three Kingdoms by Chen Shou: "The Lord was a kinda person who understood the problems, treated people nicely, so his personality was very similar to Liu Bang (the founder of the Han Dynasty), and he was indeed a hero. He held the whole country and his son and he gave them to Zhuge Liang with full trust. He had no second heart but full of honesty to his followers which is remarkable by both the current and the ancient standards. He was smart and tactical, powerful, no lesser than the Emperor of the Wei Dynasty (Cao Cao), though his base and starting point were worse than Cao Cao’s. Yet he didn’t get down by troubles and didn’t stay down as the follower of someone else. When he noticed that others didn’t tolerate him, his first thinking was not to compete but to avoid the conflict."
If you look at him from another perspective, he is the perfect villian of that era. After coalition disband, he served Gongsun Zan, went to their alies Tao Qian's help. Later abondoned Gongsun Zan and started to serve Tao Qian, after that Gongsun Zan destroyed by Yuan Shao. After Tao Qian's death, he became governor and accepts Lu Bu because he was his enemy's enemy but it beckfired. His sworn brother killed one of the well known Xu provience officer when he was fighting against Yuan Shu. Lu Bu used the opportunity and took the control of province. Liu Bei was in deep trouble against Yuan Shu's army but somehow Lu Bu saved his life. After that what he did? He joined Cao Cao the guy who attacked Xu province for destroy Lu Bu. They killed Lu Bu and next move he did is conspiring against Cao Cao. He started a rebellion and made alliance with Yuan Shao, the guy who destroyed his old pal Gongsun Zan. He defeated and abondoned Yuan Shao and joined Liu Biao. After Liu Biao's death Cao Cao defeated him. Later he escaped to Sun Quan, the enemy of Liu Biao. Together they defated Cao cao but he took big part of the Jing province. Then he stole Yi province from his distant relative. He accepted service of guys who rebelled against Han. He made agrement with Sun Quan and did a cordinated attack. He took Hanzong but Sun Quan nearly lost his life. He didn't keep his promise Then his another sworn sibling acted like an a.hole, insulted their alies and lost his life because of that. And he started war with his old ally. He lost that battle and died with regret. Like an ending for a villian.
Excellent deconstruction of Liu Bei. The writer of the book needed a hero and because Liu Bei had humble origins, had a small claim to the Throne and was at disadvantage most the time he was the best candidate.
good slander,why dont u explain why he goes to Tao Qian? Why dont u explain why he became governor of Tao Qian lands? Why u dont explain why he betrayed Lu Bu? ur just a Liu Bei haters at this point.
@@nemesis3587 just search it,it will be pointless to explain that to someone who hating Liu Bei.And wtf is wrong with u made up such bullshit thing about Liu Bei and Sun Quan made a coordinate attack to Hanzhong? after battle of Chi Bi theres no thing like "coordinate attack",here kid listen,dont discredit a great figure of history ur making urself looks bad
Isnt Liu Bei the one that said, when a general of his had risked life and limb to rescue his lords son, dropped it onto the rock saying "I can make many of these, but you I cannot afford to lose"?
I’m not too sure about the game, modern TW games aren’t what they used to be Don’t get me wrong it’s an interesting time period but mmm still iffy on weather I’m gonna buy it
Fun fact: there is a statue of Liu Bei the sandalmaker outside of a shoe factory complex in Chengdu.
Hell be remembered as a shoemaker
Andrew Farrell he is a warlord but no, he is remembered as a *shoemaker*
Hahah historically renowned shoe maker
Thats amazing
I've seen this while studying Chinese in Chengdu
Is this...is this a Three Kingdoms video with correct pronunciation of names?
my reaction exactly after watching another vid with not so great pronunciation
It doesn't matter, really. There are tons of Chinese dialects and even Korean, Japanese pronunciation are vastly different.
Would be pretty bad if a chinese guy couldnt pronounce them correctly
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It's Mandarin - more like a Manchu- Beijing dialect.
Old Chinese sounded more like Cantonese, Japanese Kanji pronounce and Han-viet pronounce.
Liu Bei declared himself the emperor of Han, not Shu. It's like the western historians called the eastern empire Byzantine empire but the Byzantines call themselves Romans.
his kingdom was called Shu Han, or "new Han". While he claimed the overall Han throne, he had no control over the Wu and Wei kingdoms so he could only really claim "Shu"
@@SantomPh thank you dude. I've tried explaining this 1000 times to people but they dont understand. He had no choice but to call himself an emperor at that point because that title came with respect...respect=power even if you dont want to take the title (which he didn't)
@@SantomPh
The dynasty proclaimed by Liu Bei was Han. At that time, people of Han dynasty knew that Cao Pi usurped the throne and murdered the emperor of the Han. The Eastern Han Dynasty had been wiped out and no longer existed.
Therefore, Liu Bei, as a descendant of the Han Dynasty, should rised the banner of the Han Dynasty with righteous . He represents the orthodoxy, and he represents the destiny of ancient gods.
To distinguish, historians call this dynasty the "Ji Han/Third Han/季汉". Western Han, Eastern Han,Third Han, like this.
Although Ji Han did not unify the land, from a legal point of view, it actually was the Han Dynasty, just like if Germany annex France into its territory during World War II, then free France could be France.
Throughout at the Jihan period, its people and officers called their empire Han, and “Han" is also written in its war banner.
It's just that the enemies refused to admit it, insisting that it was 蜀汉/Shuhan.
@@SantomPh Liu Bei's regime is located in Shu. In order to make distinctions and out of habit, people in later generations gradually called it the Shu Han .
But at the era when Liu Bei became the emperor, he proclaim his regime Han. He indeed inherited Han in the legal sense. According to the concepts of the people at that time and the dynasty tradition of Chinese civilization, it actually was Han,not Shu Han,not Shu.
Yeah is 季汉
He's such an inspiration to me, can really relate to him in his 40s feeling despair about his lack of achievement and I'm still young!
Fun fact: The school Liu Bei went to be taught by Lu Zhi is speculated as one of the "top tier" schools that existed during that time according to history (not to be confused with romance). His family wasn't all that bad off as its made out to be Romance, him making sandals are speculated as some what of means of luxury.
His sandals must have been one of the most popular localbrands. 😆
In fact, his wealthy relatives thought he was smart and funded him to go to school, but he didn't like to study and dropped out halfway.
Probably Zhuge propaganda 100%
also Guan Yi and Zhang Fei cannot simply have their top tier skils being peasants.
@@Seisoks The three kingdoms records were compiled by Jin, how can they be Zhuge propaganda? Did he somehow travel in time? Lol.
I speculate that you're a Cao Cao fan and that your post is made up bs to try to downplay Liu Bei's rise from humble origins.
videos on Chinese military strategies and tech of this period would provide much needed context for these more over arching narratives.
Roy Riley, Yes, exactly🤩!!!
The West: Game of Thrones is the most politically complicated story ever
China: lol
Other than the existence of dragons and the army of the dead in Westeros, the two stories have a lot of similarities.
@@Lennis01 If by similarities you mean like how both a hot dog and an 8 ounce steak contain meat, then yes
The HRE: You have no idea.
@@denniseggert211 Fair point. The Holy Roman Empire was a complex mess of semi-autonomous/semi-independent states with its central authority gradually imploding all the way to its demise during the Napoleonic wars. "HRE...not holy, not Roman, and not an empire"
I can image the laughing Cao Cao scene whenever that happens.
All history fans are living a dream, we are finally watching rich and long Chinese history translated into English
"all histoy fans are living a dream"
Romance of the Three Kingdoms games: ARE WE A JOKE TO YOU?!?!?
@@CoffeeSuccubus
History fans: Yes
Thanks John! Finally, a properly pronounced 3 kingdoms . So happy! Love your background on the many personalities - it makes the fast paced narrative so much easier to understand!
I very much appreciate the pronunciation of names in this series. Many other channels are also doing other TW:ROTK videos and are butchering names. I would love to see more videos in this series.
To western viewers, this Three Kingdoms period is so big and important, We Chinese made a deity/god out of one of the general, Guan Yu, Liu Bei's sworn brother. He's known for his righteousness and loyalty.
He's also patron god of the triads. *And* the police
This is the best Invicta series.
Once again great content!
Thank you for the video! Can't get enough of this time period. 🥰 Love the careful pronunciation too.
You got acouple things wrong.
Yuan Shu dealt Liu Bei a defeat after Lu Bu took his province. (Not Yuan Shao)
Liu Bei Assisted Yuan Shao against Cao Cao.
You cut a few corners with Lu Bu's and Liu Bei's relationship (they did fight together against Yuan Shu at one point, but ofcourse Lu Bu betrayed him again.)...
Plus much more.
The mix up with Yuan Shu and Yuan Shao is on me. John had it correctly as Yuan Shu but I edited it as Yuan Shao as I thought that was correct.
lu bu and liu bei both betrayed each other more or less
@@InvictaHistory Yuan Shu is the brother of Yuan Shao. But he is in the south of Liu Bei, and actually the two brothers hated each other
@@InvictaHistory Good on you for admitting to a mistake. As Shakespeare had written, "A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool." I know it may seem out of context, but the idea here is that a wise man knows when he has failed, admits to it, and then learns from it. There is no such thing as success, if you have never known failure.
cao cao already death before liu bei declare himself as emperor
Last time I was this early, China was divided.
This time I am this late and China is still divided
Just wait a little longer and it will be united. Thus it has ever been.
Last time I was this late, the Russians were marching to link up with the Austrians, but the Austrians had surrendered to Napoleon.
Still Divided.
This could be anywhere from half a century to millennia lol
I don’t see why liu bei trusted lu bu considering his reputation of betrayal
to be fair Liu Bei has chronic backstabbing disorder himself, soooo...
I think his logic was that he needed Lu Bu, even if he distrusts Lu Bu, so he let Lu Bu joined him. But then Lu Bu had plans and backstabbed Liu Bei just like he did to everyone else. So, it wasnt that Liu Bei trusted Lu Bu, but that he needed Lu Bu and his strength for his gains.
Liu bei betrayed cao cao, yuan shao, liu zhang, he was hypocrite
At least based on the novel. Letting the jackass to backstab oneself is not a bad idea if you gain reputation to be benevolent by helping even a jackass.
When you have a marauding army in your territory and cutthroat neighbors eyeing your lands, you're kind of left with no choice. The strategy was to give Lu Bu a small buffer state as a deterrence against Cao Cao and to keep Lu Bu in check. Ultimately Liu Bei was screwed over by his sworn brother/general Zhang Fei who is always drunk and abusing their officers. Eventually the officers rebelled while Liu Bei is away and hands over the province to Lu Bu on a silver platter. RIP Liu Bei w/ the poor leadership.
I know this voice
This tune
This weight.
IS THAT YOU THREE KINGDOMS PODCAST!?
IT MUST BE
From the POV of a Chinese, this is by far the best Total war sponsored video explaining the Three Kingdoms period. It should deep understand of the period's lore and history. Respect.
Thanks! Glad to hear you appreciated it : )
The Green Emperor, Protector God of all trades, Guan Yu, deserves his own 20mins.
I hope all of you have this awareness:
The last sentences from Liu Bei to his son Liu Shan are "勿以恶小而为之，勿以善小而不为。" "Do not commit an act of evilness just because it is small in scale, and do not fail to commit an act of kindness just because it is small in scale."
Liu Bei is the only man with great virtue during that time of chaos. And that's why even today most people are following his example.
I have to say that your ability to foresee trends and create unique videos that stay true to your style but have great mass appeal inspires me as a creator. Keep up the excellent work it has been great to see the channel grow!
I always wondered during Liu Bei escaping San Ye with the refugees, make me wonder if Liu Bei actually forced the citizens to go with him as refugee as "human shield" but the romance novel made it sounding beautiful that the citizens are willing to follow Liu Bei
I don't think so, would be surprising if anyone spared civilians who got in their way in ancient China. Human shields simply wouldn't have worked
@@sturgeon.vibess4354 I guess so, was watching another channel like Cool History Bros during their special about "Historical Liu Bei" CJ mentioned it was common in Ancient China there are chances that conquered city population will be exterminated, just to warn other cities of their enemy to "surrender" next time
No offense but "中国人就说你好"，别用英文装。Cao Cao massacred all the citizens after conquering the city of Xuzhou. So this time, the news came that Cao Cao's army was coming, and all the citizens were willing to follow Liu Bei. And also in real history, Liu Bei did say "成大事者，以民为本" "All great achievements established by whom are based on the people's willingness."
Liu Bei's advisors told him to leave the people behind so he could escape faster and reach Jiangling which was an important stronghold in Jing in order to repel Cao Cao, Liu Bei taking the people with him costed him the chance to do so. So I wonder, what reasoning did you use to reach such a wrong conclusion?
@@jmsm7499 reason could be that since the historian wrote this for Liu Bei, how much of it was actually true, maybe Liu Bei wanted to make himself look good and that he didn't screw up so he wrote how taking the people was an act of benevolence and not as a "human shield" for him, to slow down Cao Cao troops
Liu Bei is definitely the most virtuous of the three kings. He didn't even invade Yi until he was invited.
I always play as Sun Jian of Wu. I always make a point in sparing Liu Bei and his men. People who practice what they preach that hard are truly one in a billion.
The Narrator John Zhu also has a podcast about the three kingdoms, I'm really surprised it wasn't mentioned here, it's fantastic i highly recommend it! He might be to humble to advertise for it here, but i think he deserves the shout out.
According to romance, Liu Bei fled to Cao Cao after Lu Bo sieged control of the province. Cao Cao summoned him and asked Liu Bei "who would deserve to be hero in this chaotic time. Liu Bei told Cao Cao several names but Cao Cao shook his head: " there are just you and me" .... Liu Bei was like: "oh shit, this man is going to f*ck me".... that's why Liu Bei will betray Cao Cao later...
As a chinese, this is really good eastern world history that we can all share. Videos about ancient chinese armies would be cool too, just like how people make detailed videos for the ancient romans, crusaders, vikings, etc.
can we just appreciate the historically accurate designs of Liu Bei, Guan Yu, and Zhang Fei's armor and weapons of the time? The Chinese Guandao (glaive) was not a weapon used during this period so Ji halberds and spears were the most likely weapon used by Guan Yu and Zhang Fei.
Finally someone pronounces his name right! This alone deserves a sub!
Nobody:
Japan: Perfect Waifus
You played the same game as me
Khoihme Musou?
Really happy for you invicta, such a cool thing to see gamer historian, and collaborator.
Giving opportunity to this speaker for their accents for perfection props my dude.
Do miss the gaming but you're doing something much greater.
I hope you still enjoy yourself.
I really like Liu Bei. Part of me is quite sorry that he didn't manage to reunite the whole of China under a new Han dynasty. But oh well. One can dream.
Never click so fast :)
Dapat mimin heheheh kapan bahas ini min?
3 kingdoms.....and only 3 parts of the Siege of Jerusalem.....coincidence?.........hmmm
they're on to me... gotta scram...
@@InvictaHistory well then finish it so that nobody will be on to you.
Goobfilm cast he makes yearly releases
This series is truly amazing. Hope you can cover all of the Legendary Lords in the game, and perhaps tell us more about chinese history in this period, like the "how they did it" or "Moments" series.
Hey, noticed a minor mistake here. The term 王 or wang used during this time period refers to a prince. Therefore 魏王 is referred to as the Prince of Wei.
Did somebody say... BENEVOLENCE!?
*drop* *son*
@@kaptenlemper are you referring to when Zhao Zilong went through hell returning Liu Bei's son?
I'm a TESOL teacher, and I teach Taiwanese people, which mostly speak Mandarin and Taiwanese. I just want to give John a tremendous thumbs up for his excellent presentation. I can hear that John has been dedicating his time into learning English. Keep up the videos, homeslice.
someone : I have an army
Liu Bei : I have Zhao Yun
Can't believe you just read books about the Chinese history yet your video is really good
Didn't Liu Bei seek refuge with Yuan Shao after his loss at Xiapi, not Cao Cao? It was Guan Yu who surrendered to Cao Cao and served him until he found out the whereabouts of his elder brother. Then Guan Yu killed 6 generals on his way North dueling Xiahou Dun to a draw before crossing the Yellow river to find his brothers?
Make a video about Gongsun zan
John Zhu has a podcast about the three kingdoms, which is the entire story + explanations. Everyone should check it out.
I love this partnership of Invicta and Total war hope they do more stuff together
Just one thig, Liu bei in fact call him self emperor of Han, The name Shu is called latter to differentiate with the original Han. And Shu is the geographical terms of the location he finally rule.
I am Liu Bei’s 56th generation direct line grandson.
Wow
One of the english translated books on the water margin that I picked up from the library mentioned a family friend's boy who was also a direct line grandson of the Liu clan residing in Australia.
Kan Ding not true, Bei had three sons
@@kanding3369 :))
So your name starts with Liu
a narrator that can pronounce everything properly. Wonderful
It's strange to me that Liu Bei has this reputation of virtue an incorruptibility and Cao Cao is seen as a diabolical schemer, despite Liu Bei being the one who participated in a conspiracy to assassinate Cao Cao when they were seemingly allied.
Unless I have that wrong of course, I'm new to this time period.
Awesome video.
Fun fact about Liu Bei: emperor Xian, the one replaced by Cao Pi, were given land and allowance with a title of Duke of Shanyang and lived on for many years. He later became a devoted physician and helped many in his local area. When Liu Bei declared himself emperor, the true emperor Xian was still very much alive. Historical records show that Emperor Xian heard the news and just laughed out loud without saying anything.
If Liu Bei is truly loyal as he had always claimed to be, why did he take the throne instead of asking Emperor Xian?
Btw, he declared himself the emperor of Han, not Shu. Shu is a term used by later generations, often use together with Han as "Shu Han" to correctly refer to Liu Bei's reign and set it apart from the Han before him.
But if emperor Xi'an stepped down from the throne of Han to take the title of duke doesn't that mean it's vacant? So another liu family member can become Han emperor
Liu Xie, former emperor Xian was under constant watch of Cao's men, he would not let the last Han emperor out of his control. Cao Pi would murder Xian if he smelled treason, and again he did abdicate, so legally he had no more claim to the throne.
Source that emperor Xian became a physician?
How exactly do you want Liu Bei to reach the former emperor? Do you think Wei would let him run around without supervision? That Shu envoys would be allowed free transit inside Wei maybe? You sound quite biased.
I wonder if him throwing his toddler was historically accurate? Anyone know? 😅
Fantastic video! Had me interested the whole way through.
Dynasty warriors game was my *FAVORITE* game for PS2. Was my first game atleast 7-9 that I was addicted too lol.
Liu Bei has such an interesting story
Northern Korea was not Han's territory in that period. This kind of map makes many Koreans upset.
Great video!
Wonder how much of the story will reach into the game. Would result in a lot of dlc lol.
Awesome video
Liu Bei himself did not call the country that he established as Shu. He called him Han, as he thought he is the continuing of the Han dynasty. However, as he only controls Yi Province(Sichuan nowadays), he had been called as Shu(the area of Yi Province) by other countries and historians.
Liu Bei declared himself as the Emperor of Han, not Shu.
Shu han actually
@@theeternalslayer No, it was only Han. Shu was added later by historian due to its geographical location to differentiate the different Han states. It is also called Ji Han by historians.
Very informative video.
You forgot to mention what happened to the 3rd brother of Liu Bei.
LiuBei is the only warlord who has no record of massacring residents of a conquered city according to all written history of the period of Three Kindoms even written by his enemy.
It's still all quite skin deep
Trivia: for example, did any of you know that Dong Zhuo, in his youth, was an idealistic patriot, one who strove to protect the Han's border and its people, and were considered a hero both by the people he protected and also by the nomadic tribes he protected them against, with whom he forged strong bonds
There is a lot more to all these historical figures than what you see from playing Dynasty Warriors
Big fan of the pod
Until I hit "Read More" in the description I was really impressed with Invicta's pronunciation.
This has been such a great series!
many have pointed out some of the mistakes, but man...there's a lot. either way, good that you got the key bits correct and the pronunciation is just perfect.
will you continue this or...? I mean there is at least as much as Rome related stuff
can somebody explain me this: why they fought between themselves if they were the same single country?
In hisotyr of mine country, we had such period where local dukes and bishops fought between themselves fighting for the crown, and this was the worst period we had.
different political lines and different interests.also in a world in which the winner takes all. Han China is as large as Europe. How many wars were there in European history...
that's my understanding of why
for money and power of course
You forgot to mention Xu Shu and Pang Tong, they were key people who helps Liu Bei before and after he met Kongming
when you can't decide which faction to join, so you join all of them.
Awesome. Just preorder 3k but I don't know much about the history. This is easy going thanks. I'm starting as Gongsun Zan hopefully you will show something in the future with him.
At 3:05, Zhang Fei, Liu Bei and Guan Yu in historically accurate outfits and weaponry. Someone must mod these outfits and weapons into the game.
Nah, no one really knows how they looked like at the time. Guan yu did use spear, so that's one thing the pic got right, but Liu Bei wasn't a fighter, and they probably wasn't that old either
thx u for the video
my pleasure : )
I was thinking that Invita Chinese pronunciation has been vastly improved for a moment - then I realised that this was a different narrators
@Invicta
What are program are you using to make your gorgeous maps?
Is this the host of the 3kingdoms podcast?
Basically Zhu Yuan Zhang during the late Yuan dynasty and Sun Yat Sen during the late Qing dynasty had similar peasant background.
Why is a part in South east China not in the han dynasty?
That area is largely nowadays Fujian province and a portion of Zhejiang province. It used to be the 闽越Minyue Kingdom of Viet peoples in early Western Han period. A kingdom was conferred by emperor Gaozu of W.Han(founder of the dynasty). Then emperor Wu of W.Han reconquered the kingdom and moved all local population north, left the whole area as no-man's land. The motives for this forced migration could be 1) Fujian has too poor soil to make farming. 2)Minyue peoples were too faraway as well as too rebellious to be ruled over. By moving them to better farming lands can result in both better economy and easy rule/tax. When the Eastern Han reestablished administration over China the court left the whole Fujian area out as if it's a desert, because that there was not much to rule, not even like setting up one county. The area was left to the remaining Minyue who were hidden in the mountains and lived autonomously during the entire Eastern Han period. During the Three Kingdoms period the area and its people were called 山越Shanyue barbarians, ie Mountain Viets. Sun Quan of Wu conquered Shanyue and found himself 会稽Kuaiji and 建安Jian'an commandaries .. thus the land united within China again.
@@imkow Wow! Thank you for the detailed explanation, I appreciate it a lot.
@Chris Herrick it's my pleasure. your brought up a very interesting question. I had learned about the events and maps but never asked why..then I realized the reason could be quite cruel.
Lol what a coincidence there was an ad about the 3 kingdoms right before the video
there are so many 3k Total War ad these days
Great video, though there are some inaccuracies such as Liu Bei's assassination plot being after Yuan Shao's defeat and skipping territorial exchange deal between Shu and Wu. Also Oath of Peachgarden is legend but swear of brotherhood is conjectured to be historical truth.
This seems to be taken from the romance of the three kingdoms novel and not the actual history
romance of the three kingdoms is taken from actual history
@@encryp4558 no sweetie it isn't a lot of it's parts are fiction and exaggerated some are straight forward untrue
@@Shoujin1 go look up three kingdoms war
What old ps2 game are Cao Cao and Liu bei and some others in ? It was like total war, controlling units of soldiers an all but also controlling a single avatar on the field, I believe it was an off shot of dynasty warriors of some type. ??
三国群英传 or know as Legends of the Three Kingdoms. Best game before the Koei series took over and semi ruined and enhanced the Three Kingdom games
It's Kessen. Kessen 2 takes place Three Kingdom era. Kessen 1 and Kessen 3 takes place Sengoku era Japan.
@@nemesis3587 yeah that's it, thanks for the reminder. .
Gah the swiping brush effect between slides gives me a headache. Use some variety??
Dude I love this guy! His podcast on this topic was fuckin great
Would you like to make a video about Malacca Empire?
Is he emphasizing every subject in every sentence?
Chinese pronunciation and syntax
after listening to americans playing three kingdoms i forgot how nice it is to hear someone saying the names correctly
invicta i respect your work but im gonna have to rewrite this so the facts are not so wrong.
beginnings are okay. he hit the rebels, got a gov post, but the government was going for a downsizing he was going to be let go, but since his supervisor was a jackass to him, he beat the guy up and left.
he then continued fighting rebels, got a few gov positions, HOWEVER, he got defeated by the rebels and fled to gongsun zan. he got a job off his friend gongsun, then went on to defend against attack from yuan shao for his friend.
around that time, tao qian called for help as cao cao began attacking in vengeance. liu bei went over to help, and just so happens lu bu attacked cao cao from behind, taking over cao cao's home base. tao qian was thankful that liu bei came over anyway and left him to govern the territory between him and cao cao's (which was just take over by lu bu for a little while).
cao cao blitzkrieged lu bu, and left lu bu on the run. at the same time, tao qian died and left liu bei all of his province. hence, lu bu went to liu bei and then usurped the province, leaving liu bei to the same buffer town he was before. lu bu attacked again, and liu bei fled to cao cao.
cao cao took liu bei in because of his fame. cao cao went on to attack lu bu and captured the province that belonged to tao qian before. liu bei was essentially kept under house arrest because cao cao knew liu bei was a troublemaker-which he was, since he agreed to assassinate cao cao under the order of the emperor. however one day cao cao let his guard down. yuan shu was moving his army north into cao cao's territory (to flee to his brother, yuan shao), and liu bei asked to lead an army to take out yuan shu. cao cao agreed, and liu bei fled back to tao qian's province and took it over immediately, raised an army, allied yuan shao, and declared war on cao cao.
cao cao blitzed again, took out liu bei, who fled to yuan shao. guan yu however was captured by cao cao and didn't know that liu bei was with yuan shao. cao cao took care of some loose ends and the guandu campaign began. yuan shao vs. cao cao, where guan yu was fighting for cao cao and liu bei was fighting for yuan shao. neither knew where the other one was until in the middle of the campaign, and cao cao let go of guan yu.
after guan yu was reunited with liu bei, liu bei came up with an idea to detach himself from yuan shao. he asked to yuan shao for some men to attack cao cao from behind, and so yuan shao let him go. as soon as he got a foothold though cao cao sent a detachment and took care of liu bei with ease. liu bei fled to liu biao in jing province.
he was again left on a buffer zone, where he spent a whole decade and weeped about his uselessness. he asked liu biao to ally yuan shao and attack cao cao before it's too late, but liu biao didn't listen. he took both xu shu and zhuge liang as advisors. as he finally had a grand advisor he was soon mentally revitalized. by that time however, cao cao had taken care of yuan shao and his heir, and decided to attack south. liu biao was on the verge of death and was going to give the jing province to liu bei but nobody else wanted that to happen, and so it was passed onto liu biao's son, who immediately surrendered to cao cao. liu bei had his army stationed on the buffer zone and his advisors told him to just take over the province by force, but he refused because morals. the thing with the peasants also happened here, and xu shu's mother was captured, so he left liu bei as well.
sun quan sent an envoy to liu bei during this time to discuss an alliance, which he accepted, and was again stationed around the buffer zone. then red cliff.
after the red cliff, liu bei and sun quan rushed to take over the jing province as much as they could, and liu bei got almost all of it. as it was done with sun quan's soldiers, the two agreed that as soon as liu bei takes another province, jing should be given to sun quan.
next, he raised an army from jing. at this time, cao cao had plans to take over the yi province, controlled by liu zhang. liu zhang invited liu bei to defend against the possible attack, since he knew of liu bei's kindness and *cough cough* loyalty. however, liu bei took over the province by force and left guan yu to guard the jing province. by this time, cao cao also took care of some leftover small time warlords in the north, and there remained only three major powers (and a few tiny ones that i won't bother to talk about), cao cao, liu bei and sun quan.
since liu bei took yi province, sun quan asked him to give back jing province, which he transferred half of, and asked to hold on to the other half until he takes over hanzhong. they agreed. soon, liu bei went to attack hanzhong and took it from cao cao. sun quan asked to take jing province again, but guan yu (under the consent of liu bei) told them to f-off. this angered sun quan very much, who planned to punish him severely. guan yu began attacking cao cao from the jing province, and was ambushed, killed, and all of jing province (except some tiny bits which i won't bother to talk about) was taken over by sun quan.
liu bei was enraged. the rest of the video was fine, EXCEPT
he called himself the emperor of HAN, but it was recorded as Shuhan just so people can distinguish it from all the other Hans in history (western han, eastern han, shu han, late han, northern han...)
Liu Bei was idealist with humble beginnings
Cao Cao was cold calculating B
Dong Zhou was the arrogant tyrant.
I think in Chinese culture they like a person with humble beginnings and idealist and family loving person.
The 1st Han Emperor Lui Bang was also very appealing to the Chinese kind hearted with humble beginnings even if he was a sly crook
Oh how I've missed the dulcet tones of John Zhu!
I prefer to use Zhao Yun when I play, the spear's reach is necessary 🤔
Ma Chao gang
From the Records of the Three Kingdoms by Chen Shou:
"The Lord was a kinda person who understood the problems, treated people nicely, so his personality was very similar to Liu Bang (the founder of the Han Dynasty), and he was indeed a hero. He held the whole country and his son and he gave them to Zhuge Liang with full trust. He had no second heart but full of honesty to his followers which is remarkable by both the current and the ancient standards. He was smart and tactical, powerful, no lesser than the Emperor of the Wei Dynasty (Cao Cao), though his base and starting point were worse than Cao Cao’s. Yet he didn’t get down by troubles and didn’t stay down as the follower of someone else. When he noticed that others didn’t tolerate him, his first thinking was not to compete but to avoid the conflict."
If you look at him from another perspective, he is the perfect villian of that era. After coalition disband, he served Gongsun Zan, went to their alies Tao Qian's help. Later abondoned Gongsun Zan and started to serve Tao Qian, after that Gongsun Zan destroyed by Yuan Shao. After Tao Qian's death, he became governor and accepts Lu Bu because he was his enemy's enemy but it beckfired. His sworn brother killed one of the well known Xu provience officer when he was fighting against Yuan Shu. Lu Bu used the opportunity and took the control of province. Liu Bei was in deep trouble against Yuan Shu's army but somehow Lu Bu saved his life. After that what he did? He joined Cao Cao the guy who attacked Xu province for destroy Lu Bu. They killed Lu Bu and next move he did is conspiring against Cao Cao. He started a rebellion and made alliance with Yuan Shao, the guy who destroyed his old pal Gongsun Zan. He defeated and abondoned Yuan Shao and joined Liu Biao. After Liu Biao's death Cao Cao defeated him. Later he escaped to Sun Quan, the enemy of Liu Biao. Together they defated Cao cao but he took big part of the Jing province. Then he stole Yi province from his distant relative. He accepted service of guys who rebelled against Han. He made agrement with Sun Quan and did a cordinated attack. He took Hanzong but Sun Quan nearly lost his life. He didn't keep his promise Then his another sworn sibling acted like an a.hole, insulted their alies and lost his life because of that. And he started war with his old ally.
He lost that battle and died with regret. Like an ending for a villian.
Liu Bei is considered a hero but one with many accusations of cunning and underhandedness. It's just that Cao Cao and Sun Wu were more openly vicious.
Excellent deconstruction of Liu Bei.
The writer of the book needed a hero and because Liu Bei had humble origins, had a small claim to the Throne and was at disadvantage most the time he was the best candidate.
good slander,why dont u explain why he goes to Tao Qian? Why dont u explain why he became governor of Tao Qian lands? Why u dont explain why he betrayed Lu Bu? ur just a Liu Bei haters at this point.
@@georges9694 Okay, then explain it, why?
@@nemesis3587 just search it,it will be pointless to explain that to someone who hating Liu Bei.And wtf is wrong with u made up such bullshit thing about Liu Bei and Sun Quan made a coordinate attack to Hanzhong? after battle of Chi Bi theres no thing like "coordinate attack",here kid listen,dont discredit a great figure of history ur making urself looks bad
Isnt Liu Bei the one that said, when a general of his had risked life and limb to rescue his lords son, dropped it onto the rock saying "I can make many of these, but you I cannot afford to lose"?
This is my favorite game
Liu Bei claimed himself Emperor of Han, not Emperor of Shu. Shu is just the name of the land he controled(today ShiChuan province).
Emperor of Shu-Han
I’m not too sure about the game, modern TW games aren’t what they used to be
Don’t get me wrong it’s an interesting time period but mmm still iffy on weather I’m gonna buy it
IDK if I'm going to buy it after they decided to screw everyone over with Total War: Arena.
I'm just happy it's not in europe.
@@kuroodo_ I am laying blame on WG rather than CA on that.
Stay iffy until the player reviews come out. What do we say to the God of Pre-Orders? Not Today.
@@wamakima5004 CA sets the schedule for the underlings, just saying
U should’ve at least talked about the number of forces the kingdoms put into certain battles and highlight the strategies used.