Thank you for the straight up efficient notes. So often I have to speed up videos because people talk way too much about nothing and I'm trying to get to the good info. Subscribed
As a new player I did the same thing with Jack. What I learnt from watching pros wasn’t stance switching but variety. Timing of certain things and common tactics. My Jack in T7 became so much better once I found my own play style using what worked with me from pros.
Yeah but these pros study everything from frames , to punishments and every little detail of what works and doesn’t . they have so much time playing this game , I admit it’s an amazing game but your always going to go against these players that played this game since they were like 7 years old lol I’m a new player too but it’s nuts man
Another thing that you can do, is Follow the players from the leaderboards you are interested in, and then in the search for replay filters you can change the top setting to "Following" and it will filter only your followed players' replays.
the thing about adapting a new playstyle to your gameplay is that it takes time and practice. Most of the time, you will fail cuz you're doing something you're not used to, but if that style of play really works and you want to get better, then you have to practice it until it feels like it's your normal gameplay
I really liked seeing how you decided what to take notes on when watching the replay! One thing I felt was missing though is that (it seems like) you didn't really observe the Law player and try and make note of his habits, which maybe Meo-Il was doing from the start. I think that likely influences his gameplan some too, so while your note might be "lots of stances", he may have tested the Law player in the beginning with the first time or two he entered stances to see if he pressed buttons. Since he didn't, he decided to use more stance mixups - but if he had been mashed on, I imagine he wouldn't have used nearly as many stances, which may have influenced your notes. This is the first Tekken I'm actually playing ranked in though, so maybe I'm way off and at the top level most people just stick to their respective gameplan regardless of who their opponent is!
Happy my victors neutral is already like his. My mixups are nasty and this my first tekken. Guess ACTUALLY looking at the full moveset and reading everything really is important
What I've learned so far is that knocking someone down with a throw or power crush is as good as launching them into a combo, because Victor has so many tools to hit you while on the ground and far away. This allows me to back away and fish for power crushes/mid launches/long range poke instead the usual mid/low game.
It’s funny I did exactly this last night, was downloading ghosts from the leaderboards to study to learn raven more and came across this guy. Didn’t know you could go through their matches as well though
You can basically download every replay of PVP online matches except ones in private lobbies I think. I believe there is a UA-cam channel that uploads those high rank replays.
I've gotta remember that some characters just get busted in heat. Victor gets an 8 frame jab AND a 14 WS2 launcher. Heat REALLY throws in a wrench in to the cog of frame data. It essentially doubles the amount of matchup knowledge you need. This game is crazy.
I know I’m not the first to say this….but gawd damn dude, your content helps me improve daily. Doesn’t matter if it’s about characters I never play against or will never play myself.
@PhiDX FT10 set between Arslan Ash and Knee is a good showcase of Aslan Ash's take on Victor. He basically plays Victor for the majority of the whole set and it's a perfect opportunity to get an overview on how Victor could be utilized at the highest level.
PhiDX, you have no idea how I appreciate your content. Especially as a new player. I'm on day 3, and I can beat people who are Genryu and above. I've already been called a smurf, and that's all thanks to your insight on the game.
D1, 1. which jails on hit and is safe if it jails. Tracks both sides. Ur dead if he blocks the first hit though. Has cs properties. It’s unparriable and high crushes. Raw b1 and variations for ssr. Pressure from stances comes from the threat of running 2 vs perfumer approach as they are looking for a ss to step running 2. Consider b1 for entry to perfumer even though it might be statistically not viable. b1 also panic move.
Victor’s wr2 is godlike in this game. +5 on block mid counter hit launcher that is hard af to sidestep because of online lag. Probably one of the best moves in the entire game.
How do you tell how much of the gameplan is applicable generally vs only a certain matchup/ player? I ask because you say you should do more stances, but its possible that it law just has less effective ways to deal with them for example.
generally the game plan should be fine against most character match ups, so what you really need to adapt to is the players playstyle. Their timing, if they mash when you do stances etc.
The time it takes to go into a stance (when you’re not going to stance from a string ) is too long You have to have an opponent that will hesitate, if they don’t you just eat hits from people mashing I like Victor because you can change his pace build up plus frames so if they mash you can chew through their health or stay passive and hit big counters and take chunks And hitting his unblockable is the chef’s kiss Others characters can do this but I feel Victors tool kit is fine tuned for it
This guys name isn’t Arslan Ash. Anyway, thank you so much, I feel so much more comfortable with this game since subbing (Victor player). *One aspect that you didn’t copy was catching them with the while standing 2 or pressing 22 out of perfumer. That might have created more panic and caught him mashing.
One small thing I think was missed from meo-il was his use of b+1. Just a really solid glue poke for Victor with the pushback on block (which he used to setup ch/whiff punish situations) and it actually tracks his weak side so helps with the linearity. Great content as always ❤
Hello Phidx. I have a request if i may. Could you maybe make a video on how you approach and do the labbing of a character you struggle with. Just in general a tutorial on how to effectively Lab. I would appreciate it so much. Well anyways nice video and liked
What I suggest is going to a replay where you're taking damage and break down the moments that you take damage bite by bite. If you have footage of a particular game where you're losing and you aren't sure why. I'm willing to take a look to give you some tips.
Just go to the replay of the match you lost and you can literally play the match again and see what you could’ve done differently. I just used it to learn how to get more damage out of floor breaks and situations where I drop combos or punish wrong
One thing I can say for sure is that getting good at Tekken requires you to be good at movement. The summary of being a good Tekken player is: 80% movement skills and 20% character knowledge. Knowing your character inside out and not being good at movement cannot help you against players with better movement at the highest level. All the best players are just good at reading opponent moves and counter with their own excellent movement.
Hey phi or another helpful member of the comments: I picked up t8 and it’s my first fighting game. Loving it and staying humble in ranked: I wanted to know when I should manually be getting up/ side rolling off the ground. And when just holding back to get up blocking is the best option. It seems like there are some times I could be getting up quicker if I weren’t just defaulting to holding back every time.
i finally figured it out, the song that plays on the second match keept bugging me because i swear i heard it before, so i thought it was phidx having a playlist playing it's just that it has a couple similarities with BlazBlue CF's menu music
12:49 malgu wants ws4 into dss. so ws4 f. but he get 4 f. so he didnt hold back expecting dss and get hit. i think you need to be a law player to get that. doing just magic 4 alone is useless you should know, and malgu surely knows that, there is no way doing only 4 is intended
@@eramahmed8743 blue ranks and above would be advanced and orange to purple would be intermediate. However you could come across low intermediate players who play decent tekken but arent good enough to handle cheese and mashing to be able to rank up
@@eramahmed8743 idrk, thats kinda just a title other people give you if they think you play good. i mean like, if youre at tekken god then you are definitely "high level" but it's really just a label.
This will be so useful to learn stuff Also, i have an idea for a video if you're interested, i've been struggling in red ranks, mostly because i have fundamentals but now i don't know any match up, what do you think about teaching us how you learn, or how do you think it's the best way to learn match ups I'm pretty sure a lot of people are in the same predicament
How do you know he "mashed " and not just "pressed "? I know this sounds loaded, but as someone who's trying to stop mashing, I wasn't expecting to hear that an expert player mashed something. When I think "mash" i think panic pressing. Is that off?
The reason he mashed was to get his move out as fast as possible at the exact frame that his character finished recovering. He knew exactly what move he was trying to use. This is different from what is known conventionally as mashing where a person will just press any random button to do any move to hit their opponent, they don’t know what they’re doing.
Tactically mashing to get an input out as soon as possible. (e.g. Someone hits your shield and is -15, u start mashing ur 15f UF+4 or df+2 or something to get it out in time to punish)
Victor's d2 is actually very weak against players with good movement, it can't even interupt Ling's carli roll 😅 using PER 1+2 or PERdf WS moves on wake up is actually pretty cool. PER 221 is a high that's only -1 on blk and it is a counter hit launcher, which make PER2,2 into iai mix-up becomes much scarier. good video as always👍
Just found u today on UA-cam an what u said about revamping your move set an stuff 26:00 taking Ls is part of the game people need to understand that more good content
I really do not care for anyone playing Azucena, Victor or Alisa. No matter if they are Kishin or Tekken God. Those champs are not taken seriously and should be removed. I know they are there just for newcomers, but as Reina shows there can be interesting and matching to lore character which is new and popular.
How is it stupid, exactly? o: If your opponent tries to punish your stance you can start frame trapping them with 1+2 after Running 2 to get a launch. People should not be pressing buttons on you after Running 2, so it's a pretty good opportunity to go into a stance mixup.
GGs PhiDX that Bryan was me.
The frat boy Bryan is 🔥 huh
Damnn that was good
And I’m so glad you won cause I love Bryan 😂
Ggs that was actually me
No it wasn’t it was me
Thank you for the straight up efficient notes. So often I have to speed up videos because people talk way too much about nothing and I'm trying to get to the good info. Subscribed
I don’t even play fighting games these days and I subbed for similar reasons lol.
The replay mode is probably the best addition on this game.... it's super useful
There's so much here for me to learn that I'm going to have to rewatch it tomorrow and take notes! 😅 Amazing video, PhiDX!
So little time, if only life weren’t more important 😂
Nice cro cop avatar
@@walmartian422 right leg hospital, left leg cemetary 😆
As a new player I did the same thing with Jack. What I learnt from watching pros wasn’t stance switching but variety. Timing of certain things and common tactics.
My Jack in T7 became so much better once I found my own play style using what worked with me from pros.
Yeah but these pros study everything from frames , to punishments and every little detail of what works and doesn’t . they have so much time playing this game , I admit it’s an amazing game but your always going to go against these players that played this game since they were like 7 years old lol I’m a new player too but it’s nuts man
As a learning Victor main, this video was amazing. I'm taking notes of your notes!
Dude facts. Just wish he wasn’t broken with the throw bug still
I love the concepts that you use for learning, they are so applicable to learning in general
Best Tekken content creator to me. I'm a beginner at Tekken but find every video useful. Even the high level play ones.
"...use the chance to go into stance, and apply a lot of pressure..." BARS
"If they mash even on a heat dash, a frame trap would be better"
"My combo didn't drop tho, clearly a wakeup setup"
Another thing that you can do, is Follow the players from the leaderboards you are interested in, and then in the search for replay filters you can change the top setting to "Following" and it will filter only your followed players' replays.
That jun pluggers kekw
the thing about adapting a new playstyle to your gameplay is that it takes time and practice. Most of the time, you will fail cuz you're doing something you're not used to, but if that style of play really works and you want to get better, then you have to practice it until it feels like it's your normal gameplay
Yo PhiDX your videos helped me get to Purple in a week never playing Tekken before. Especially this one! Thank you
I really liked seeing how you decided what to take notes on when watching the replay! One thing I felt was missing though is that (it seems like) you didn't really observe the Law player and try and make note of his habits, which maybe Meo-Il was doing from the start. I think that likely influences his gameplan some too, so while your note might be "lots of stances", he may have tested the Law player in the beginning with the first time or two he entered stances to see if he pressed buttons. Since he didn't, he decided to use more stance mixups - but if he had been mashed on, I imagine he wouldn't have used nearly as many stances, which may have influenced your notes. This is the first Tekken I'm actually playing ranked in though, so maybe I'm way off and at the top level most people just stick to their respective gameplan regardless of who their opponent is!
Thanks a lot man. I learned so much from your breakdown that was very helpful.
We need a PhiDX typing test WPM stream
Best guidelines and stream i’ve ever seen
thank you so much
This was really helpful! Honestly validating to see even high level players like you struggle with the same things lol
Great video, even now that you've explained the process of analysing these replays I'd love to see you do it for more top players.
Happy my victors neutral is already like his. My mixups are nasty and this my first tekken. Guess ACTUALLY looking at the full moveset and reading everything really is important
Very insightful video. I'll try to take notes like that when i'll check high level Lili play
What I've learned so far is that knocking someone down with a throw or power crush is as good as launching them into a combo, because Victor has so many tools to hit you while on the ground and far away. This allows me to back away and fish for power crushes/mid launches/long range poke instead the usual mid/low game.
your videos are so qualitative, ty for this
Love the break downs. I'm a Yoshi main and just picked up victor
No plz yoshi is good don't play cheap characters plz
this is the exact video I was looking for. I want to play victor better and use less gimmicks. This is perfect
god this is the perfect content to learn so glad i found this
It’s funny I did exactly this last night, was downloading ghosts from the leaderboards to study to learn raven more and came across this guy. Didn’t know you could go through their matches as well though
You can basically download every replay of PVP online matches except ones in private lobbies I think. I believe there is a UA-cam channel that uploads those high rank replays.
@@ziyuanchen8567 I’ve heard haze complaining that a lot of the channels uploading private matches so I think you can. I think that’s messed up though
I've gotta remember that some characters just get busted in heat. Victor gets an 8 frame jab AND a 14 WS2 launcher. Heat REALLY throws in a wrench in to the cog of frame data. It essentially doubles the amount of matchup knowledge you need. This game is crazy.
I know I’m not the first to say this….but gawd damn dude, your content helps me improve daily. Doesn’t matter if it’s about characters I never play against or will never play myself.
@PhiDX FT10 set between Arslan Ash and Knee is a good showcase of Aslan Ash's take on Victor. He basically plays Victor for the majority of the whole set and it's a perfect opportunity to get an overview on how Victor could be utilized at the highest level.
Link?
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@@PhiDX ua-cam.com/video/Zb8SF47fMjc/v-deo.htmlsi=v_TR31OZnWKO_mp-
@@PhiDXGot you fam
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PhiDX, you have no idea how I appreciate your content. Especially as a new player. I'm on day 3, and I can beat people who are Genryu and above. I've already been called a smurf, and that's all thanks to your insight on the game.
That's awesome!!
Victor has so many options it's incredible. I've seen many players great with him and all do different things
First tekken game since 4 and I hit vanquisher thanks to these videos!
D1, 1. which jails on hit and is safe if it jails. Tracks both sides. Ur dead if he blocks the first hit though. Has cs properties. It’s unparriable and high crushes. Raw b1 and variations for ssr. Pressure from stances comes from the threat of running 2 vs perfumer approach as they are looking for a ss to step running 2. Consider b1 for entry to perfumer even though it might be statistically not viable. b1 also panic move.
Do you mean jails on hit?
@@PhiDX jails on hit. Yes.
Victor’s wr2 is godlike in this game. +5 on block mid counter hit launcher that is hard af to sidestep because of online lag. Probably one of the best moves in the entire game.
How do you tell how much of the gameplan is applicable generally vs only a certain matchup/ player?
I ask because you say you should do more stances, but its possible that it law just has less effective ways to deal with them for example.
generally the game plan should be fine against most character match ups, so what you really need to adapt to is the players playstyle. Their timing, if they mash when you do stances etc.
The time it takes to go into a stance (when you’re not going to stance from a string ) is too long
You have to have an opponent that will hesitate, if they don’t you just eat hits from people mashing
I like Victor because you can change his pace build up plus frames so if they mash you can chew through their health or stay passive and hit big counters and take chunks
And hitting his unblockable is the chef’s kiss
Others characters can do this but I feel Victors tool kit is fine tuned for it
This guys name isn’t Arslan Ash. Anyway, thank you so much, I feel so much more comfortable with this game since subbing (Victor player).
*One aspect that you didn’t copy was catching them with the while standing 2 or pressing 22 out of perfumer. That might have created more panic and caught him mashing.
One small thing I think was missed from meo-il was his use of b+1. Just a really solid glue poke for Victor with the pushback on block (which he used to setup ch/whiff punish situations) and it actually tracks his weak side so helps with the linearity. Great content as always ❤
Hello Phidx.
I have a request if i may.
Could you maybe make a video on how you approach and do the labbing of a character you struggle with. Just in general a tutorial on how to effectively Lab. I would appreciate it so much.
Well anyways nice video and liked
What I suggest is going to a replay where you're taking damage and break down the moments that you take damage bite by bite. If you have footage of a particular game where you're losing and you aren't sure why. I'm willing to take a look to give you some tips.
Just go to the replay of the match you lost and you can literally play the match again and see what you could’ve done differently. I just used it to learn how to get more damage out of floor breaks and situations where I drop combos or punish wrong
@@trellified ok TY
@@Beamken ok TY
One thing I can say for sure is that getting good at Tekken requires you to be good at movement.
The summary of being a good Tekken player is:
80% movement skills and 20% character knowledge.
Knowing your character inside out and not being good at movement cannot help you against players with better movement at the highest level. All the best players are just good at reading opponent moves and counter with their own excellent movement.
was this re-uploaded? I swear I watched this in the morning
The highest ranked Victor using a custom based on the movie Le Samourai is so appropriate it's not even funny
Awesome video for Viktor mains 🔥 what’s that song at 17:58?
Thanks for the upload 👍
1 + 3 gives you a nice high into low for a nice poke.
Hey phi or another helpful member of the comments: I picked up t8 and it’s my first fighting game. Loving it and staying humble in ranked: I wanted to know when I should manually be getting up/ side rolling off the ground. And when just holding back to get up blocking is the best option. It seems like there are some times I could be getting up quicker if I weren’t just defaulting to holding back every time.
Tech roll if you can, my beginner guide talks about it a bit!
Is there a way to actually have a notepad overlay like you do, playing on Steam?
17:02 FACTS!!!!! Hard to set up lower level players because they mash heavy. I’ll beat a pro and lose to a masher 😂.
Moral of the story: Phi gets cooked by intermediate Bryans xD
i finally figured it out, the song that plays on the second match keept bugging me because i swear i heard it before, so i thought it was phidx having a playlist playing
it's just that it has a couple similarities with BlazBlue CF's menu music
Victor's WS2 and LAI are so good, May I know Any characters can do a counter hit like WS2 and is block safe?
12:49 malgu wants ws4 into dss. so ws4 f. but he get 4 f. so he didnt hold back expecting dss and get hit. i think you need to be a law player to get that. doing just magic 4 alone is useless you should know, and malgu surely knows that, there is no way doing only 4 is intended
subscribed..nice content
Hey Phil I was wondering at point would it be considered "high level" genuine questions as I've been climbing quite a bit and have hit flame ruler
rank is not exactly reflective of high level play but if you can consistently beat strong players then you're pretty good
@@gabereell that’s it though what constitutes a high level/strong player
@@eramahmed8743 blue ranks and above would be advanced and orange to purple would be intermediate. However you could come across low intermediate players who play decent tekken but arent good enough to handle cheese and mashing to be able to rank up
@@eramahmed8743 idrk, thats kinda just a title other people give you if they think you play good. i mean like, if youre at tekken god then you are definitely "high level" but it's really just a label.
Road to fujin with Victor
This will be so useful to learn stuff
Also, i have an idea for a video if you're interested, i've been struggling in red ranks, mostly because i have fundamentals but now i don't know any match up, what do you think about teaching us how you learn, or how do you think it's the best way to learn match ups
I'm pretty sure a lot of people are in the same predicament
Wish you could search by name on the leaderboards.
This man has a PhD in Tekken wtf, impressive commentary to a pleb like myself
Nice fight
How do you know he "mashed " and not just "pressed "? I know this sounds loaded, but as someone who's trying to stop mashing, I wasn't expecting to hear that an expert player mashed something. When I think "mash" i think panic pressing. Is that off?
I think mashing in this instance means repeatedly doing a certain input. Ex. Mashing df2 after blocking rage art
The reason he mashed was to get his move out as fast as possible at the exact frame that his character finished recovering. He knew exactly what move he was trying to use. This is different from what is known conventionally as mashing where a person will just press any random button to do any move to hit their opponent, they don’t know what they’re doing.
Tactically mashing to get an input out as soon as possible. (e.g. Someone hits your shield and is -15, u start mashing ur 15f UF+4 or df+2 or something to get it out in time to punish)
Mashing means "pressing buttons from frame disadvantage," does not necessarily mean panic, although the two are often tied together
Victor's d2 is actually very weak against players with good movement, it can't even interupt Ling's carli roll 😅 using PER 1+2 or PERdf WS moves on wake up is actually pretty cool. PER 221 is a high that's only -1 on blk and it is a counter hit launcher, which make PER2,2 into iai mix-up becomes much scarier. good video as always👍
Thanks for the details! Cheers
Does anyone know how they went to a different stage on game 2? I thought if both hit rematch it would play the same stage?
The problem with trying to play stances and stance cancels in purple ranks is that your opponent is going to mash on you regardless XD
THIS! I felt this in my soul
is there an optimized victor combo vid? with notations in em?
Running 2 fom victor can easily be countered with an armor move.
3rd!! Also cbm was the best noctis in 7 so seeing him using victor must mean us noctis boys should use him? 😳 but i already gave him up 1st day 😔
I didn't enjoy Victor that much unfortunately. I will revisit him though
@@PhiDXwho are you considering as potential main material now?
@@PhiDXyeah same which is disappointing as a noctis guy. It ain't the same but he's cool. I see you with the lili tho
Bro istg youtube keeps unsubscribing me from your channel, it's not even mildly funny anymore, but you still show up in my homepage.
Just found u today on UA-cam an what u said about revamping your move set an stuff 26:00 taking Ls is part of the game people need to understand that more good content
Phi! Why not analyse Arslan's Victor? Knee said it was very different and it'll make a great video woth your commentary❤️🔥
I can! Have a link?
@PhiDX ua-cam.com/video/Zb8SF47fMjc/v-deo.htmlsi=95GbJsNrbfztYwHu
One of the craziest sets 🔥
Seeing a jun rage quit was awesome
Why do you think db4 is not scary when it sets up FC mix and it's a tracking CH launcher?
The risk reward isn't there. One launch is worth like 3 db4 --> FC mixes unless Victor goes for WS1
@@PhiDX thanks for the input. And great video
The Jun player pluggin 😂
How did you make your main menu music the TTT2 one? :o
Jukebox, you Can change pretty much all the Music in the game
anyone knows the victor's twitch?
Liked. Subbed. ❤
best victor
im so dissapointed that is an actual solid player and not a random guy spamming the 14f throws
Hi who is this victor player please?
Meo-Il
@@PhiDX Thnak you ur the best ! noice video !
First guy and third guy both is booster how do ı know that they both have Turkish names
😊
that brayan is not intermediate . 😂
Isn't Lord of Destruction the best?
Leaderboard says "CennetMahallesi" he/she is first? What criteria makes it first aside from that ranking?
Hey I'm a victor main and was wondering if I could mirror match me sometime 😅
Peeeeeak
❤
they changed their name lol
Damn you type really fast 🤔
nice video yellow boy
You’re a safe poke player…not a good style for victor. You over analyze and never take risks to use victor to full strength
Toxicman 😂
yeah if i played victor id also be god of destruction lmao
2nd!
I'm crying lol
I really do not care for anyone playing Azucena, Victor or Alisa. No matter if they are Kishin or Tekken God. Those champs are not taken seriously and should be removed. I know they are there just for newcomers, but as Reina shows there can be interesting and matching to lore character which is new and popular.
1st
3rd
Imitating a pro players combat style doesnt deserve success
The way you're going running 2 into stance is kinda stupid... Victor is a grab/mid character. There are smarter ways to use stance, at range etc
How is it stupid, exactly? o: If your opponent tries to punish your stance you can start frame trapping them with 1+2 after Running 2 to get a launch. People should not be pressing buttons on you after Running 2, so it's a pretty good opportunity to go into a stance mixup.