Rebecca Zahau Case Analysis | Two Mysterious Deaths in One Mansion
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- Опубліковано 27 жов 2021
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the case of Rebecca Zahau?
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I'm not buying it. Who gags themselves when they hang themself? Who chooses to be found naked? Finding this hard to believe.
somebody who doesn't think like you.
She knew that the rich guy who more than likely would dump her when the boy died because he WOULD blame her….for maybe not watching him close enough. SO, she was looking to be wealthy in life, found a rich man, tasted the good life and couldn’t stand the thought of him breaking things off!
So….I guess……….. very possibly she decided to check out. Oh, and ‘ heard ‘ rich guy has himself another dame in the picture shortly after this ! Aha.
Right? Even IF the knots were so easy to make, the gagging and the nakedness are even more ridiculous.
Women dont kill themselves naked.
well... one person is the craigslist killer. thats just off the top of my head its to make sureu die ans dont wake up and for damn sure not to wake up in pain.
The knots Rebecca had on her we’re exactly similar to the ones Adam did at his work, he also looked up on his web history “sexy Asian” and “bdsm” the night of Rebecca’s death. Adam also called the morning of her murder 911 referring to her as “some girl”, when he knew who she was. He also pretended to do cpr on the 911 call, as well at the trial he insulted the Zahau family calling them “posers”.
It seems she was killed. It is a confusing case?
@@dianemorton2222 what makes you so confuse?
@@lyahaokip4811 because Dr. grande don’t seem to think so.
Exactly. Distancing himself from Rebecca. She’s “some girl”. And the phony breathlessness was beyond bad acting. He also immediately labeled it as a “suicide” instead of worrying if any murderers were still in that house, an innocent person would immediately say they had NO IDEA wtf had happened and they’d also leave as fast as possible in case killers were still there. There are body language experts on UA-cam who look at testimony and give their opinions. They should do this one.
@@christiansamaroo Dr Grande isn’t a 100% all knowing genius.
You explain why she may have tied and gagged herself, but can you clarify why, if she committed suicide, she was naked? I can’t imagine a woman making that decision for herself…
Exactly. That's why I have always believed it was homicide.
You're both spot on.
Yes,, there's quite a bit of 'inconsistencies ' that were left out of this video. I strongly disagree with Dr.Grande on this one.
And as far as the gagging ,tying up and doing the deed bare ass naked? ........No Way !
Thank you !
Grande is a hack! This wasn't suicide.
The 911 call is what has always bothered me about this case. I have a hard time believing that anyone who came upon a bound, naked woman who had been hanged, would immediately think suicide.
That’s what bothered me too. He immediately said it was a suicide. If I saw a naked woman, bound and gagged, hanging from a balcony, I would not immediately conclude suicide. His phrasing was so odd too. I’m not buying this was a suicide. Also, why would she refer to herself in the 3rd person on the painted note on the door?
And why did he refer to her as "some girl" or something like that? He knows her and even if he didn't use her name, you'd think he'd say something along the lines of "my brother's girlfriend."
This Grande guy is a hack, calling it a suicide. Who strips naked and binds their hands and ankles to hang themselves?
If he was responsible and trying to fake a suicide, then why would he make it look like a murder? Wouldn’t he have not bound her and left her nude?
And he’d have written a fake suicide note. This looks like a suicide pretending to be a murder or some other borderline thing
I too will respectfully disagree. Dr. Grande doesn't address the fact that she was found naked (the why of this). If she wasn't known to have any mental issues prior, I think it's very odd behavior to commit suicide in such a complex manner AND to do so naked. If she supposedly felt so much shame and guilt to the point of wanting to die, how odd is it that she didn't have shame to bare her body and be found like that? As a woman, I find that difficult to process. My theory is she was suffocated or strangled beforehand and to cover it up, she was tied up and thrown off the balcony. Whoever did it could have used gloves and cleaned up after themselves, and ran the rope through her hands. They also apparently cleaned up any footprints off the balcony because how odd is it that only hers were found (and the one cop), but nobody else's who lived or worked in the house, including her husband?
your theory is a joke, to say the least. She killed herself. But since you are so convinced that you know more than all the investigators and medical examiner, can you please publish your paper soon demonstrating scientifically how she was murdered and how someone can remove all DNA from a crime scene (a virtually impossible task).
@@anlace3447 👈Sherlock 🥱🥱🥱
There must have been DNA from numerous people in the house. I think your theory is very plausible. I don't see most women killing themselves and bare naked too, unless this is from her culture. Big money could be involved here, and it may nothing to do with the Tennessean.
I agree. This was definately an attempt to shame her even in death.
Some people think the experts get it right all the time. Who would want to be viewed dead and naked is such a position. I'm sure DNA was found, they just ruled people out as you recall, she was taken down before the police arrived. Who provided the rope? I don't think suicide is big in her culture. Killing her and removing her clothes benefits the murderer(s). Putting a sock in her mouth would only confuse things. The murderer is very smart
As someone else mentioned here, what I find odd is that Adam immediately assumed this was a suicide on the 911 call. If you saw a naked woman, bound and gagged, hanging from a balcony would you right away think she committed suicide? He specifically said “I got a girl hung herself”. Maybe she did commit suicide but I’m not thoroughly convinced. If it was out of guilt and shame, why not have her last words reflect that? Instead I’m supposed to believe she writes some cryptic message, in the third person, instead of some sort of apology? The cryptic message almost seems taunting and is not indicative of being written by someone who feels immense guilt and shame. Those aspects alone give me pause when it comes to agreeing that this was a suicide.
"The cryptic message"
Charles Mason: Leave something witchy.
Manson Family: Helter Skelter
I have to respectfully disagree on this one, I don't believe for a second that she did this to herself. I hope I'm wrong though.
I’m with you. I’m not convinced that Adam necessarily did it, but there are just way too many strange things in this case. Plus I don’t think I heard the doc mention that her body sat in the sun for *hours* before the ME came and released the scene, so evidence was heavily degraded by the time her body was collected for analysis. I think I lot was probably lost thanks to that screw up. In almost all cases I think the simplest answer is the likeliest answer, and I think in this case people *think* unaliving is the simplest answer, but, like, no? It’s *unreasonably* involved and elaborate. I don’t think that’s what happened here.
There was a book and red rope.
This suggests knowledge of usage.
The book could be traced to the owner, so the idea of it being planted could be ruled out.
I don't own red rope, nor do I know many that do.
I'll I could think of was that red velvet rope that's used for barries at special events.
It doesn't seem that you could use that for what the red rope is used for here.
I could be wrong.
@@JohmathanBSwift a bit weird, but the red rope is potentially one of the least surprising things here to me. For instance, my husband and I own red rope because we needed cotton rope for something and ended up buying a set of shibari (bondage) rope on Amazon that came with one bundle of black and one of red. Didn’t use it for that, but it was the first option when I searched for red cotton rope about 6yrs ago. If she DID have knowledge of bondage and/or she and Jonah participated, the red rope seems like a weapon/item of opportunity.
you are wrong, so no need to hope.
@@ellepwnzstevedaily Well, I think you're in the camp of many, and it could be opportunity, but it also means she had knowledge of.
Then maybe there was suffocation, and the husband had suspect of this, and that's why the one man was flown in.
I did find it odd the one doctor findings were not considered.
I disagree with this one, but still enjoyed your take on this case
Same
Me too.I thought Dr G was waaaaay off with this one.
And there was so much left out.
I’m always fascinated by your analytical approach to these mysteries, I’ve never disagreed with any of your theories before, except this time, you are wrong about the suicidal decision. She was murdered.
No he is actually right. Do you really think you know more than all the investigators and medical examiner who have 100s of years of training and experience in death investigations, and who actually saw all the evidence first hand?
You don’t know that though do you Sherlock?
@@anlace3447 Oh give up. People get paid off and Dr Grande isn’t infallible.
@@anlace3447 She was murdered. You're wrong. It's ok to be wrong sometimes.
@@kelsielovesbbuno she wasn't.
This was a clear case of suicide
But why was she naked? To me,tieing her hands seems highly improbable.
Was wondering that too. He left that unaddressed. The naked part makes a real difference in my opinion.
A number of suicides take their clothes off first. One thing that may be a reason, and sorry if this is a gross-out, but when someone kills themselves, especially with a violent method such as hanging, the bladder and bowels let go. People can certainly commit suicide on impulse, but others research the method first. If they do, they may certainly come across this fact. When the body is found, it would be cleaner than if they were dressed.
you're gonna kill yourself, but strip naked first? i don't believe it
@@artestra it's a cleansing ritual before one takes their own life. Come in naked of clothes, leave the same way...
@@robertchflynn okay, for some maybe but i would hope they were thorough and not just in a hurry to close this shit out.
All of that planning (the gag, tying her hands and feet, all elaborate, and being naked), sure seems to go against an “impulsive” person committing an impulsive act.
People often plan a suicide well in advance
@@MrBoothyboy1988 indeed they do. But he used the word impulsive to describe the person and the act. I was addressing that, not whether suicide or suicidal ideation is impulsive.
I guess the comment I am responding to here has been deleted.
@@vettelover695 good point
I have to disagree. I looked into this case and the way she was killed isn’t consistent with how women commit suicide. Especially in such a humiliating and degrading way. The man who murdered her and staged this as a suicide exposed his own personal anger and disdain for her . And the sons accident would be the motive for that anger.
This!! What woman is going to hang herself in the NUDE, gagged, and restrained. That is horrendous. I believe the brother did it
I'm under the same mindset that someone or more than one person played a role. I have to wonder if Max's mom was really at the hospital the entire time. She'd likely have to have help from someone else if she was involved. The brother is probably my first go-to as it seems the most convenient. Also, wasn't she S** A**aulted?? This case confuses and frustrates me to no end.
@@l.chambers1944 unfortunately, there's no solid proof
Females have certainly killed themselves in the manner Zahau did. She killed herself in the way she did specifically to make it appear as if it was not a suicide. She knew people would think "What woman is going to hang herself in the NUDE, gagged, and restrained!" and thereby conclude that she did not commit suicide. Same with the note she wrote, to try and throw people off.
She obviously did not want her death to be known as a suicide, but it is clear it was a suicide. If you know anything about DNA profiling, it is almost impossible that anyone other that Zahau was responsible for death. I think the detectives, medical examiner, etc who have between them 100s of years of experience in death investigations and who saw all the evidence first hand, know more than armchair youtubers.
@@anlace3447 why would she kill herself to try to frame the husband or brother? It makes no sense.
This case has always been very perplexing, I still lean towards she was murdered because she was found naked, even knowing your about to kill yourself why would you take the time and get naked before offing yourself. Years ago on Dateline NBC they said no DNA was found on the rope or in bedroom,Adam's
or her own DNA, as if the killer wiped it or had on gloves.The being nude is like the killer humiliating her one last time knowing she would be discovered that way ,generally speaking women don't commit suicide by hanging themselves, usually it's sleeping pills. One last thought if Adam cut ✂️ her body down when he supposedly found her , how then is his DNA not on the rope?????
Exactly! Either they didn’t do a lot of testing or he put gloves back on. The knots were known to be nautical and he was a tugboat captain.
Come on - please rethink - there's no way this could be a suicide.
I think Dr. Grande is wisely not upsetting the real killer by an insensitive analysis video.. I doubt anyone would. That murder was frightening. Can you think of another case like this one? Gives me shivers and chills.
@@EarlSmith2469 He’s not “wisely” doing anything.
You’re right. Only an idiot would think it’s suicide.
Very few people who kill them self set the scene so that it will look like they were murdered.
They just don't have the motivation.
How did his "cutting her down" leave none of his DNA or evidence of his presence at all? Wouldn't he touch the balcony in doing so if he did it from the top, or touch her body if he did it from the ground, to lower her and check to see if she was still alive? Not trying to make any arguments here, that part just confuses me.
Brilliant point. It just underscores the fact Rebecca was murdered. In fact I hope Rebecca’s sister sees this as well as other comments here.
This case has stayed with me and I have never been able to come to a conclusion that made sense. Personally I find it difficult to accept she would commit suicide in such a dramatic way - it was SO staged I have never understood that a person in such circumstances would go to that elaborate length. And to wind it back a little - who was at fault and why Max died in that manner? I have seen so many theories of that also. I tend to believe this was NOT suicide. It was staged so much and if you have ever been in a place where you felt suicidal or known others - they do not go through such a staged ritual
I remember this case. Absolutely horrible. I don't think she committed suicide. Why would she be naked and shove something in her mouth?? It makes no sense. I think Adam was responsible. He was furious that his nephew was in that condition. How did she tie her hands behind her back and also put the rope around her neck? Why would anyone who was trying to commit suicide shove something in their mouth, toe their hands behind their back, put the rope around their neck and hang themselves? 🤔
Also I don't think the boy accidentally fell down the stairs either. Maybe she was frustrated and overwhelmed. But I don't think his injuries would coinsice a fall from the balcony.
it makes perfect sense- she fooled people like you into think it was not a suicide, when it actually was!
Unbelievable! I totally disagree! Among other things I believe message written would have been worded in first person. Soooo wrong ! She was naked. I do not think you would commit suicide this way.
.not everyone thinks like you, there have been plenty of documented cases of females killing themselves naked.........i can refer you to a good paper if you want.
@@anlace3447 Everyone has a right to their opinion. Mine is different from yours.
@@kathybates1751 I agree with you. Rebecca’s sister said that Rebecca was a very modest person and would never expose herself naked for all to see.
@TheReaper74 I doubt that a woman, any woman, would plan to die the way she died. Someone had to tie her up. She couldn’t do that to herself.
"What motive would Adam have to kill Rebecca?" Oh gee, maybe because he blamed her for his nephew's death?
it was not even Adam's son.
@@anlace3447 ah, okei
Along with the ex-wife and her sister.
And he was right. That kid was killed and she was responsabile for it
Also the brother had a LOT of violent porn videos on his phone, all involving bound Asian women, which he was watching just before he said he found her body. On one of the computers in the house, there were more than a dozen recent searches of sexual content - using terms like "raped, sexy Asian girls, and bondage anime" - were accessed on a computer the day before Zahau's death - when the father of Adam was at the hospital but his brother was at the house.
Interesting that you chose to mention a lot of the unflattering details of the victim’s life but none of the unsavory details of the accused killer’s…
Cyril Wecht - one of the most respected forensic pathologists in the country, believes she was murdered.
There is no accused killer.
Dr. Wecht is actually considered a joke by most forensic pathologists. A notorious peddler of conspiracy theories. Wecht went on the Dr. Phil show making the most ludicrous allegations without even contacting the San Diego County Medical Examiner's Office or the Sheriff's Office to attend the autopsy. The Sherriff actually spoke at length about this.
And please tell us the "unsavory details of the accused killer’s"?
@@anlace3447
Do the research yourself if your that interested….I don’t care enough about what you think
@@TheTrevelyansway There was a civil trial that fingered Adam. There was no suicide.
@@anlace3447 Name the pathologists who consider him a joke, please. Three or four will suffice. The woman clearly was murdered.
The one thing about this case that makes me doubt suicide is the fact that she was naked and displayed in public, which I believe would be highly uncharacteristic of many women. I also have doubts bc of the scream for help. But, then again, the evidence for suicide, especially in light of your analysis is extremely is very strong. Excellent job, Dr. Grande.
Ya that naked part bothers me. That’s something someone would do to humiliate someone. Why would she do that to herself?
@Lisa D Excellent job? Say what? Grande is a hack! This was clearly not suicide.
There’s no evidence of suicide.
@@angelwings7930 What about the fingerprints ? Can you tell me about that? I thought that they found her fingerprints on the rope. Maybe I’m wrong. I thought they said that. Either way, I don’t think she killed herself.
I always come back to this case it’s haunting
Great analysis, but I think I might have to disagree with you on this one ‘doc. She was naked, tied and gagged. That’s just too peculiar and suspicious for me! Also, the perpetrator didn’t leave any evidence because he obviously had all the time to clean and prepare before calling 911.
why is it peculiar? and you do realize that is virtually impossible to clean a scene of all DNA?
@An lace It's peculiar because it is extremely uncommon for a person who commits suicide to be found naked (why would she want to be found in an embarrassing position), gagged and tied up which sounds like a murder by someone who had a lot of contempt for her not a suicide. It is not impossible to clean a crime scene of DNA or make a murder look like suicide when it is not a bloody crime scene
o struggle occurred (all the killer if she was murdered would have had to do was wipe their DNA off the ropes, the area around her body and on her body). Look at the case of actress Adrienne Shelly who was found hanging from her shower rod. Authorities believed it was a suicide and her murder would have been classified as a suicide if her husband had not insisted that his wife had been happy and would not have taken her life leaving their daughter without a mother.
@@crystalb4178 why would it matter for her to be found in an embarrassing position? She is dead so she would not feel embarrassment. Also, people who throw themselves in front of trains are well aware that their bodies will be often mutilated beyond recognition, but they do not care about the embarrassment or gore that others will see. If this was a murder (which it is not) there would clearly be signs of a struggle, the murderer would have defensive wounds, there would be significant noise, the murderer's DNA would be all over her in places of the body which indicated a struggle (e.g., under finger nails, on hand regions, etc.)...unless she just said "O.K., go ahead and kill me, that's OK." Do you know the process of DNA profiling? Believe me, you can not just get a rag and "wipe off" your DNA. It is extremely difficult to remove some DNA, let alone all. For example, he would have had to use something like sodium hypochlorite, which would then be present all over her body and all over the scene, so then there would be evidence of the DNA removal. And you can not then just remove the DNA removal substance! The many professionals who investigated this case twice got it right, she killed herself. Not a doubt at all.
@@anlace3447 genuine question: can one prevent DNA to be around in the first place? Second, the persons who discovered the body does have DNA on her, because he did take the body down, and had to do it by entering the crime scene, so what need to erasing it? I am confused.
@An lace ....Have you never heard the expression "Money Talks"!
Because it said a hell of a lot in those "investigations"
Dr. Grande made his opinion clear but I suggest if someone really wants to know about this case then check out Shuana Rae's documentary on this case. Its longer than an hour and she has brilliantly covered every detail even with maps and the police officer's reenactment of how she could have tied herself. It's a detailed documentary but worth every second. Rebecca was humiliated and murdered.
I saw it. it was sensationalistic nonsense. the woman killed herself.
thank you.
yeah, i love dr. grande, but wow is he blatantly wrong on this
Why she was naked though ? If she killed herself ? I have to disagree that she was the one responsible for her death.
Regarding to personality assessment you could see she loved life and appearances and money and being spoiled by her rich partner , she had nothing to gain if she took her own life.
duh........not everyone thinks like you, there have been plenty of documented cases of females killing themselves naked.........i can refer you to a good paper if you want.
@@anlace3447 yes, but they're not usually hanging from a balcony on full display.
@@JustDr.S here in Brisbane around 3 years ago a naked woman threw herself out of a hotel in the city.........so yep it happens
@@anlace3447 Now THAT, I could see. This one was elaborate and weird. It's just too odd for me, I guess.
@@JustDr.S it is a bit odd, but believe me, when you go through hundreds of coroner's findings, it is not *that* odd. I have actually heard of much more elaborate and weird suicides than this one. I guess the media picked up on this one cause it made for good entertainment.
The jury in the civil case had all of the viable evidence and found that the boyfriend’s brother was responsible for Rebecca’s death. The other defendants named in the lawsuit could have been dropped for common reasons in cases, such as lack of evidence to prove in court (despite their beliefs of guilt) or negotiations between attorneys, etc.
I think there was premeditation (e.g. killers knew Rebecca was interested in black magic and decided to use the rope tying to make it appear that she had done this to herself). Even if Rebecca had a history of impulsive behavior, it was never self-harm (her stealing jewelry was for HER BENEFIT, but she got caught) rather for her personal gain (e.g. leaving her nurse spouse for another wealthy successful man).
Dr. Grande is usually good at seeing the big picture, but sometimes he is mistaken (due to personal bias).
I thought about the fact that she could have done it herself and tied her hands so she wouldn't back out. But that one is still a little hard to swallow, just saying. Thanks for sharing!
But then again if someone was gonna stage her suicide…why make it so complicated where doubts would arise?
Yeah, I find it all hard to believe. It is possible, though.
And why strip yourself naked? Who would do that?
@@carolyntirado2159 You are requesting a rational answer to an irrational event such as suicide. Suicide goes against human nature.
@@carolyntirado2159 Exactly!!!
nah, she was murdered, that police video was a reach
I think Dina, Adam, and Jonah all had motive, I think it's possible that Adam tried to assault Rebecca before her death, there are a couple pieces that stick out in my mind that point towards this such as her fingerprints on the knife blade that made it look like she was trying to cut herself free from behind her back, Adam's awkward demeanor, and the fact he cut her down before the first responders showed up.
I'd be curious if she did commit suicide if she was trying to sacrifice herself to try and save Max. unusual, but possible?
I think you have a wild imagination and should leave it to the professionals.
@@anlace3447 LOL I study evidence for a living but not all of it is listed in this video. have a nice day!
@@kelseycoca oh really, wow! and what evidence is that? quite a vague statement! you are a real evidence hunter, I can see!
@@anlace3447 I work in criminal law reviewing evidence for the defense.
I'm floored by Dr Grande's conclusion... I was expecting him to sarcastically point out the ludicrousness of police arriving at the scene and thinking "oh, suicide, duh. Nothing to see here." Adam absolutely had a motive! He believed his nephew - who was in the ICU in critical condition at the time - was murdered or severely neglected by Rebecca. If she had just received a voicemail update from Jonah to say Matt was passing, wouldn't he have left one for Adam, too?
The worst part for me is that Matt's death was immediately investigated as a crime and deemed suspicious. I'm not saying it couldn't have been, but it's a huge reach. Yet that same police department rocks up to Rebecca's crime scene and go bingo - suicide!
I agree with you 100%. I find that some of Dr Grande's conclusions have a rather misogynistic tone to them unfortunately. Regardless of that though, there's no way I'm buying that this was a murderer..... Just no way in hell.
There had only been a few days since Max's accident.
So, perhaps the calls that night were two- fold.
News that Max was not expected to survive. And News that officials suspect foul play.
Causing people to consider Rebecca as being the immediate suspect.
This doesn't sound like a suicide, it sounds like a human sacrifice.
Also, why would she gag and tie herself to make sure she didn't back out and save herself, but commit suicide with a guest in the guest house? He could have found her too early.
Very perceptive of you.
I thought the same thing!
Unless he was the murderer (which I believe he was).
Well put. I'm obsessed with watching true crime but this case disturbs me beyond belief - even more than Ed Gein and his furniture covered in human skin.
I randomly have time to watch UA-cam, and catch a Dr. G video within *minutes* of posting. AND you are wearing the color of sunshine. Off to watch!
If you dressed up as something ridiculous for Halloween and delivered an analysis with your typical dry humor and neutral expression, it will go off the charts. Lol
I may be wrong(often am!) but I don't think our good doctor is the costume type (whatever that is?).
@@bthomson I agree ;-) it was just a fun visual I had!
Awwww I love this comment
My sentiments exactly.
The only way that I would believe this is suicide, is if she had a complete break from reality. Otherwise, if she had that much guilt over the boy why would she not leave an apology note, not some cryptic message?
Dr. Grande i'm a fan, but i completely disagree with your analysis in this case coz there are many other ways to commit suicide and i don't think that a women(in her right mind) would want to commit suicide while being naked... I think Rebecca is innocent and there could be some foul play involved.
nobody said she wasn't innocent. there are many documented cases of females committing suicide naked. I can refer you to a good paper if you want?
His explanation addressing her nakedness did not do it for me imo!
@@anlace3447 so you believe that she killed herself???
@@beccafanai2921 yes, no doubt at all in my mind that she killed herself. But if people watch the popular media (Dr. Phil, etc) I can see how they might think it was not suicide.
@@anlace3447 You are free to have your own opinion and i'm not gonna argue with that...but for me, i still think that she was murdered.
I appreciate that as a short overview you can't cover the minutiae of every case but so many details were left out here that would sway a person's judgement from opinion to another. It's highly unlikely that Rebecca killed herself.
Just given the evidence presented in this video, I would tend to agree with your conclusion that she committed suicide (maybe there's evidence elsewhere that indicates otherwise). But I think it's really weird that you say Adam would have no reason whatsoever to kill Rebecca and don't even consider that fact that he might've blamed her for mortally injuring his nephew, whether she neglected to watch him properly or it was something more nefarious.
Or his penchant for Asian bondage adult material may have had something to do with it
It seems Dr Grande is helping the cover up. I wonder why he’d do that. Makes him look ridiculous.
I'm a huge fan of yours. Normally, I agree with your analysis, however, I come from a legal background, and I don't agree with this one. I'd ask you to watch the Marcia Clark episode of The First 48 about the Zahau case. Either way, I love your channel and respect your opinions. Thank you for the videos.
That episode popped into my head immediately! I don't believe for one second she took her own life.
Thanks for the suggestion, this one is a little hard to swallow, the suicide part just doesn't quite take me there... maybe that program will help.
💯!
I'm also from a legal background and I also don't agree with this analysis, it seemed to be lacking and one-sided but I adore Dr. Grande, in general, and appreciated some of the perspectives he brought to this. there was some evidence I hadn't heard before!
I agree! Definitely I believe she was raped and murdered 😔 However it's always good to hear an opposing point of view, this is a great channel!
RIP Rebecca 🙏
This one seems unusually one-sided. Some of the questions left unanswered:
Why didn't the force from the fall break Rebecca's neck? How come Rebecca's muddy feet didn't leave muddy marks on the floor (to clean up the crime scene seems more realistic, than leaving the scene SO CLEAN unintentionally). There's more and more.
She probably jumped from the lowest point. As for her feet. They became dirty after the rope was cut and her body fell.
It's the kind of case were rational explanations will lead to even more irrational and irrelevant questions from the public.
Why would Rebecca refer to herself as "she" and "her"? Why not say,
"I saved him can you save me?" The phrase is quite cryptic, the whole thing is very odd! Unfortunately, I have to disagree with the doc on this one!
This analysis is incomplete without discussing the viewing of Asian bondage porn the previous night, the nature of the phone call with her sister, the lack of neck injury (not enough to be consistent with a 9-foot drop), and the menstrual blood on the knife.
This case has always struck me as nefarious, creepy, and bizarre.
Ok awesome! I’ve wanted you to talk about this case for so long! Thanks so much!
Oxygen, a channel on American TV did a very in depth dive into the case. What they find is quite surprising. Something that stood out to me was how the bed only moved 7in when she fell over 9 ft. They recreated the whole thing using a crash test dummy that weighed the same as her. Every way they dropped her the bed moved over 20 inches, a couple of the drops her feet actually touched the ground. Most people that hang themselves is usually something tied above their heads then they step off a chair. For a body to drop over 9 feet would cause significant injuries to the neck. the rope would have cut into the skin. None of this was consistent to the findings at the scene or her body. The only way the bed would move would be if she was lowered down. The 3 people that reexamine the case one was a female formal LA criminal prosecutor, one an investigative journalist, the other was a forensics investigator. The way that the gentleman in the video didn't regard any pertinent evidence to come to his conclusion shows disinterest. Basically in the same way that the SDPD handled the case. I would urge anyone interested in this case to go on UA-cam and search Murder at the Mansion Rebecca Zahou. (Even the 3 people that reexamine the case left with more questions than answers.)
This case brought back the most chilling memories for me. My very wonderful and very special brother in law hung himself with a bright red scarf, my sister, and VERY unfortunately, my little niece, 8 years old - found him. Their minds couldn't make sense of it, they thought he was playing a joke at 1st but when it sunk in for my sister she immediately called 911 and myself, when I got there, my immediate instinct was to get him down and maybe save him, but the paramedics had to stop me, I later found out it was because there was a possibility that it may have been a crime scene. It wasn't, but my heart goes out so deeply to anybody that is in such terrible darkness that they actually do that themselves! And it's a terribly scarring event for the survivors!
To think that she actually may have prevented all forms of help or escape is terribly heartbreaking!
I'm sorry for your loss and that this brought back memories.
Haven’t heard his analysis yet but I clicked fast because this case absolutely confounds me. Applying Occam’s razor doesn’t bring any clarity.
Edit: no, I don’t think it was suicide. The absence of DNA at the scene says there was a clean up.
I'm sorry, but you got this one wrong Dr. Grande.
What about the several hematomas found on her head from the autopsy? She was struck in the back of the head several times.
That doesn't really sound like an impulsive act..
This one really doesn't compute. The only reason I can imagine she would do that to herself is to frame Adam. No suicide note? Just a cryptic message? Come on!
mmm gonna say from just this hour of superficial research on this case I'm starting to lean towards Adam being guilty as opposed to the gut feeling of innocence after this video...
Poor Jonah. No one ever seems to remember him whenever this case is discussed. He lost his wife and young son. What a tragedy.
they were not married
Could you do a video on Cindy James? Apparently, the movie "Invisible Man" was inspired by what happened to her. I know that you did a video on the movie, but I'm interested in hearing whether or not you think that what happened to Cindy was her husband, her or someone else.
I would be fascinated to hear Dr. Grande on this Case! It's Truly Disturbing, and scary.
Yes would love to hear his opinion
Good one, yes!!
Would love to hear this one
GREAT request!
I’ve always wondered if the younger sister was involved in Max’s accident and Rebecca felt responsible. I’m back and forth on this one.
I don't know. I believe at the time Rebecca died Max still seemed to be doing alright. Also, that message still doesn't make sense as a suicide note to me, personally. If Max was still doing well at the time of Rebecca's death than the note and the suicide make no sense at all. I would have to say that until someone actually passes, there's that tiny bit of hope. I could understand suicide after Max had passed, but not before. I think the most important fact is whether Max was still doing well that first night or not. If he was I don't think it was suicide; if he had suddenly taken a turn for the worse, suicide is more likely, but I still think she would have waited until all hope was gone. But that's just my personal opinion. Love the autumnal yellow shirt!
I think she had something to do with Max’s death and guilt was just too much. Max was the only link between Jonah and Max’s mom.
It could be that him doing alright was what made her commit suicide. Maybe she believed that he was going to make a full recovery and would be able to tell everyone that she hurt him. So she killed herself before that could happen.
@@bebop2523 I personally think it was murder, but I do agree this is the most realistic option for what happened if she did commit suicide. Knowing you're going to prison (if intentional) or being seen as a horrible, neglectful caretaker if it was unintentional would be a hard pill to swallow. Definitly a solid theory.
She had four blows to the head, her feet were muddy, her clothes never turned up anywhere and the boyfriend's brother admitted to watching Asian porn in his room all evening. There were marks from the ropes on here wrists and ankles, in my mind that is inconsistent with having tied them herself. Also the painted note was too high for her to reach and was more consistent with someone taller having painted it. There are a lot of unanswered questions, questions not answered here by the good Dr.
@@tinareaume7484 Thankfully there's at least one other thinking person here who actually knows the facts of this case. This analysis was embarrassing and one-sided, and almost irresponsibly uninformed.
There’s no way she killed her self
It's always troubled me how this younger 13yr sister was whisked away after max's mysterious death.
Seems to me that these two children we left unsupervised .....who know what could have happened between the children
Dr. Grande, can you analyze "crime tourists"? Like the type we see in the Gabby Petito case. Are we, the viewers of channels such as yours, also crime tourists, in a sense?
Good question!!
@@Mama_Bear524 I think the difference between reading and studying something on the one hand, and the "tourist", is twofold. 1) reading and thinking requires an effort and displays genuine interest while tourism is shallow and, 2) tourism is fetishistic, it feeds on wanting "to be there" instead of trying to understanding, which is an abstract and superior faculty.
Why is this man so classy and intelligent yet I can also easily see him as a Bond villain playing poker and mind games with Bond?
If she did this to herself, I imagine she felt responsible and guilty for what happened to the boy. If it’s true that she was not in the room with him when he suffered his injuries, then the only thing that could be attributed to her would have been if he was supposed to be under her care and baby sitting him and the guilt of failing at her task is likely to have been enormous to her. But why strip naked and bind yourself? To make it seem as though you were a victim? That part doesn’t really make sense to me.
Exactly. It is bizarre.
Perhaps Rebecca's young sister was playing roughly with the child and the sister's covered the accident up ..... just another angle. It's all such a mystery.
Can you do a case Analysis for 19 year old Miya Marcano ? Who went missing September 24 2021 from her home in Orange County Florida. She was found October 2 2021.
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Adam could have worn gloves and house slippers while committing the crime. I wonder if she had been SA? Did they do a test on her? Adam could have been very upset over his nephew being injured.
I don't believe this was suicide. A lot of planning went into this "suicide" for someone they said was acting impulsively. Also, it makes no sense that she was the one who painted the message as it referred to Rebecca in third person. If she wrote it wouldn't it say "I saved him now who will save me? Head scratcher for sure...but I do respect your analysis.
Dr Grande, I am a big fan of you but I'll have to disagree on this one respectfully. Based on the evidence you talked about it sounds like Max was murdered and so was she. Maybe if she hadn't been found hanging, hands tied behind her back and naked in the balcony I might have been swayed, also it sounds like the evidence was a bit too clean and the scene of the crime was already contaminated by her being cut down prior to the police being called.
Someone wanted to humiliate her and silence her, thus why she was gagged, the killer felt that she was being humiliated by leaving her hanging in the balcony and the way of death feels like they might have blamed her for Max's death...or that they wanted to cause harm to her husband.
Max growing worst might have been the trigger if it was someone who blamed her for the child's death which is what I feel happened.
Either way, nothing about this case screams suicide to me.
No woman would EVER commit suicide nude. EVER. And all those knots and hanging over the balcony. I'm SO beyond disappointed in you. I repeat, no woman would EVER commit suicide this way. The brother had every.reason in the book to kill her. He blamed her and disapproved of her and her relationship with his brother.
These brothers were rich and had a motive for foul play. Personally I suspect Rebecca’s little sister may have had an accident while rough-housing with Max which contributed to his death. She was then sent away by Rebecca as a safety precaution.
I think the erased voicemail was blackmail in the form of an ultimatum saying to Rebecca that when Max dies her sister would not be safe. To show that Jonah was serious on this threat he had Adam leave that message on the door, it was meant for Rebecca. ‘She’ refers to the sister; ‘him’ refers to Max; ‘You’ refers to Rebecca; ‘her’ refers to the sister again. “Saved” could be interpreted more closely to how an angel of death saves people.
My theory is that after Rebecca read that message she decided to pay for her sister’s debt with her own life.
An eye for an eye.
I disagree. There’s a book called DEATH ON OCEAN BOULEVARD that’s about this case, I have only just started it and it’s really good so far.
I'm curious which part(s) you disagree with? I've heard this case since it happened from so many perspectives and I'm still not 100% sold on anything, although one scenario seems to make the most sense to me. Curious to hear your thoughts
@@JustJ-Me Well I’ve only watched a documentary about it I haven’t finished my book yet I just don’t think anyone wants to be found hanging but naked over a balcony I mean naked seriously who does that that’s just one of my arguments
@@therealmrsruttle So true- being naked wouldn't be my go-to! I'm leaning towards the brother having something to do with it. It's such a wild case.
@@therealmrsruttle I can also see another woman (maybe the boy's mom?) trying to demean/ degrade another woman out of spite and anger but I believe she would have needed help to carry everything through. Idk, this case stumps me 🤷🏼♀️🤦🏼♀️ Plus, wasn't there vaginal blood found on a knife handle or something? Perhaps I'm recalling it incorrectly. I understand the idea of taking your life due to guilt, but in this case the manner seems like far too much work/ effort.
you keep reading your book, clearly you know more than the many detectives and medical examiner who saw all the evidence first-hand. Maybe you can go on Dr. Phil!
I don’t like that he cut her down. I get rushing to a body to help them, but she was clearly dead, it’s a crime scene now. Call the cops? It’s a ritzy neighborhood, they’d have been there in 2 seconds. I can’t imagine a scenario where I’m cutting a body down. Nope. Shady.
I think seeing someone hanging, the immediate response would be to cut them down in case they can be saved. But he called the police, then cut her down. The sequence seems odd, and as you said, it was a crime scene.
Interesting! I was sure the dad or brother did it. Eye for an eye.
No, the rapey Google search indicates a sexual component.
Morning Doc! I really enjoyed your take on this subject! Even more so, that shirt! Luv'n you in solids! 😉
What if …
Jonah had come home that day at lunchtime, committed child abuse, killing Max in the process and Rebecca publicly took responsibility for what JONAH really did. Weren’t Max’s injuries INCONSISTENT with a fall? At any rate, Rebecca may have then done herself in once poor Max wasn’t going to make it - because she had LIED to everyone to protect Jonah - thus “She saved him. Can you save her?”
Loving the yellow!
Thank you for treating this unfortunate situation with the seriousness it deserves.
He is always respectful of pure tragedy.
@@bthomson How is tragedy "pure"?
Good question! It just seems to me that some cases have a side to them that support finding some humor even in a sad or terrible situation. And then some don't. Maybe different people will view this differently.
I wonder if the Myanmar culture holds the value of "Honour/Shame" in high regard? If she was raised in such a culture (I really don't know either way), then the burden of the boy's demise would be far greater than that experienced in Western cultures... a heartbreaking case in any event 😥...
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Myanmar has a higher suicide rate, but I'm not sure about the cultural values surrounding suicide, I was curious about this as well!
The family has stated that their Burmese culture did not include honor suicides.
In cases where they were trying to bring honor to the family, yes it COULD have been the case IF she was not naked. This does the exact opposite of what the "suicide" would be trying to accomplish.
The problems I have with Rebecca committing suicide is one, her hands were tied behind her back. The second thing is her nudity when hanging herself. Rebecca was on her monthly menstrual cycle. Women, imho wouldn't be more hesitant to be naked at this time of the month.
My thoughts exactly. I immediately thought that.
Wasn't really a normal day though
Dr grande left out the bloody knife that was found .
Was there really one?
no vaginal trauma. DNA evidence-- swabs would show epithelial cells if knife was inserted into the vagina in the range of 600 nanograms or more. The swab of the knife handle in Rebecca's case had 35 nanograms!
She killed herself.
Thank you for another thorough and compassionate analysis!
His analysis is in no way thorough. He missed many key points. Watch Murder in the Mansion Rebecca Zahou on UA-cam. They completely reexamine the case and look everything.
Wow, Dr Grande's analysis of this story caught me completely off guard, almost as much as that super comfortable looking, fantastic yellow shirt 🌻. Nice
thank you for speaking in such a concise manner! i have trouble hearing and rely on subtitles and i have no confusion when watching your videos
Another true compliment!
I don’t think you studied this case enough to come to your conclusion. She was killed FOR SURE. Her boyfriend was a shady person and so was Rebecca. The ex wife - Dina- hated Rebecca with a passion. Rebecca hated her back. She was definitely killed by someone in that family.
I think Dina did it… Or had someone do it.
You made some interesting points here. I still think Adam did something though. Great video Dr Grande!!!
you thing wrong. And it is pretty poor to essentially claim someone is a murderer without there being one shred of evidence to support that claim.
@@anlace3447 she would have had to hop or shuffle her way to the ledge of the balcony. Try hopping from a flat footed position to your toes while your feet are together. If she flung herself over a balcony and fell over 9ft why were the ligature marks on her neck and injuries inconsistent with the hight of the fall? She was tied to the bed frame which only moved 7in when she fell from a height of over 9ft. Everytime this was recreated the bed moved more than 20 in, in some instances her feet touched the ground. Murder at the Mansion Rebecca Zahou on UA-cam reexamines the case in detail.
She is down and get out of it been able to tie a noose? Yeah sounds like some cops got paid off to me
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@@eadweard. no. Dictation fail.
But thank you for letting me know how badly dictation failed on the comment.
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I will never cease to be baffled by people who think this was a suicide.
If you repeat a lie often enough, and pay enough people to back up that lie, you'd be surprised how many people believe it (even if it makes no sense, lol).
There’s no point for any woman to be naked to hang herself especially on period ! But for some men, this might be his fantasy.
This is a very tragic interpretation of what could have potentially happened in this case. On the other hand doctor looks like a sunflower while bringing this forward. I can't decide if I should rather cry or smile so I just say thank you for this interesting case analysis to this sunflower and his followers. 😊🌻
Dang. I think you hit the color better than I did. I initially thought it reminded me of the yellow of the Aspen tree leaves that are all over where I'm at. Sunflower seems more fitting.
Anyone who has not seen Aspins in the fall is missing a lovely sight!🍂
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@@bthomson Yes, true! 🙂
@@bthomson Definitely. So pretty 😍
I haven’t watched yet, but was shocked glad to see this video! This story has been in my thoughts for years, especially recently! Looking forward to watching right now! Thank you! 🙌🏼
There was also vaginal blood on the handle of the knife.
And?
I thought I remembered that as well.
@@malcolmjelani3588 What good reason could/ would you think of there being vaginal blood? I have to wonder if it was an act of torture/ degradation by another but 🤷🏼♀️
@@JustJ-Me she did suicide
if you know anything about DNA profiling it is clear she killed herself.
Interesting analysis and fabulous shirt!
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I guess everyone forgot about a sexual motive?!?!
I hoped you would cover this!!
Thank's for the new perspective you provided for me.
Good afternoon, Dr. Grande. Nice to see you! This Case is so sad! And very strange! So many questions.
Definitely disagree on this one as there's a lot more evidence that wasn't touched on here. For starters, no woman who is distraught over the impending death of her stepson & _grieving as a mother_ is going to kill herself in a theatrical BDSM display.... red rope, bound & gagged, naked, & next to the steps that the boy fell down?? Whoever strung her up went to a lot of trouble to ensure that she died _right there..._ running this extra long rope around furniture rather than finding a shorter place to tie off. That certainly doesn't strike me as an "impulsive" person. Also odd was that phrase written in the _3rd person_ & painted with an unskilled hand... the _absence_ of DNA & prints other than Rebecca's in a house shared with multiple people... the highly suspect 911 call.... and more. There are _far too many_ question marks in this case for me.
I'm honestly shocked by your conclusion on this one...
Well, he has a PhD in psychology. He's a not an MD, not at all medical. Psychologists don't deal with people after they die. I very much doubt a forensic scientist, psychiatrist or even a forensic psychologist wold come up with the same conclusion. I'm not sure why Dr. Grande is trying out crime solving. He's better when he sticks to the behavior of the living.
@@Saffron-sugar well actually a bunch of forensic investigators did come up with the same conclusion. And Todd doesn't have a PhD in psychology.
Congrats on nearly 900,000 subs! Only a matter of days now! Can't wait for the video for that occasion. I want to request your interpretation of the Joseph Smedley case.
Wonderful episode. Really enjoyed your analysis. I appreciate the added information.
I don’t know. I think I might disagree with you on this. Which is rare. 😉
I watched the police reenact the hanging and they tossed the dummy over the deck. If Rebecca killed herself she wasn’t tossed. The body hit differently. I have less truss for police interaction with rich, men who are likely happy to donate money to local funds to see something rules a suicide. Maybe I am being a little too conspiracy theorist with this ( and I hate conspiracy theories, especially political ones) but as a woman, who is 52 and in good shape I would still never hang myself naked or walk around the house without a feminine product in while on my period. It doesn’t make sense. I know you didn’t cover this part of the story, but there are multiple channels that have. Bailey Sarian, Kendall Rae and Stephanie Harlowe have done great jobs on this case. Sad all around. The young boy and Rebecca both gone. One a likely accident and the other? Who knows. I lean towards murder. A woman wouldn’t hang herself naked. I just don’t see her allowing herself that vulnerability in her death. Especially being on her period.
Your reasonings are basically that you believe it was a suicide because it's possible, despite the fact that it's very unusual and highly unlikely, then proceed to try to explain with theories to try to fit your conclusion.
That's not at all convincing. That's like saying that a knife accidentally got slipped, bounced off several surfaces before stabbing the victim and it's an accident and definitely not someone else stabbed the victim. Sure, it could be possible but what are the chances of that happening?
The setup was also too elaborate and would have taken lots of time, planning and effort to get everything ready. Suicidal people who act on impulse don't spend that much time and effort to plot their suicide and most definitely don't have that kind of energy to set everything up . Depressed and suicidal people want to end things quickly and would often find the easiest, fastest way with the least amount of effort and pain.
Moreover, her being nude and dying in a humiliated way is just incomprehensible. It's even harder to believe for an Asian, Christian women would want to die that way.
Moreover, how is it possible that the investigator found no DNA in the crime scene of anyone else? Like, I don't believe that no living creature went near her room, or touched her, for an extended period of time, prior to her dead. If they found DNA evidence of Adam, Jonah or others but rule them out for some reasons then sure but no DNA? I find that hard to believe. Moreover, what about the fact that Adam cut her down and did CPR on her?
What is more likely to have happened is that the investigators got paid to intentionally ignore evidence.
And what about the results from the second autopsy that suggest that Zahau died from manual strangulation rather than from hanging? What about the evidence from the second autopsy that indicated that she was sexually assaulted prior to her death?
Moreover, there were 4 head traumas. If she hit her head once or twice on the way down, I could understand but 4 times?
What's more likely is that Adam tied her up, sexually assaulted her ( Adam had search history about bdsm and sexy asian shortly prior to her death, didn't he?) and accidentally choked her to death during the assault, then paid off the police to ignore evidence, cover up, and ruled the whole incident as suicide. I believe that the court's verdict that Adam was responsible for Rebecca's death is correct.
Though, I also think that it might be possible that perhaps Dina was also involved. That would explain why Rebecca died in a humiliating manner. Dina might want Rebecca not only dead, but also humiliated.
Dr Grande, thank you for the great content you upload daily. Thank you Dr Grande, you never fail too make my day.
Eileen UK. Thank you 🙏 DR Grande for covering this once again I have learned things from your video that I didn’t know before I could never make up my mind on this one since watching your video I absolutely agree with your analysis brilliant as usual that is why I love your channel I have some catching up to do. Thank you 🙏 once again for all the hard work you put into your videos 💙⭐️