The Model SS41 - A Czech Bullpup Anti-Tank Rifle for the SS
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The SS41 was a bullpup, bolt action antitank rifle manufactured in small numbers by CZ for the SS. contrary to common assumption, the SS were not a part of the standard German military arms procurement system, and were forced to scrounge for their weapons from other sources. Czech factories were one of the more popular sources, as smaller production lines could escape being integrated into Wehrmacht oversight and were able to contract privately with groups like the SS (the ZK383 as used by the SS is another example of this).
The Model 41 had been in development by the Czech military when the Germans occupied, and it was adapted to the German Patrone 318 cartridge for this production run. That cartridge was also used in the PzB-39, and fired a 220 grain tungsten-cored bullet at 4000 fps - although even this extremely high velocity only allowed it to defeat 30mm of vertical armor at 100m. As with the other antitank rifles of WW2, it would obsolete almost as soon as it was introduced, although it did remain useful for attacking emplaced positions and light armored vehicles (much like the Soviet PTRD and PTRS rifles).
Only a few thousand of the SS41 were manufactured, and they served primarily on the Eastern Front. As a result very few exist in American collections, and this is a particularly excellent example. Thanks to the Institute of Military Technology for allowing me to have access to this very cool AT rifle and bring it to you! Check them out at:
www.instmiltech.com
“A Czech bullpup anti-tank rifle for the SS” that sentence becomes crazier and crazier as it goes on
@jn!x23 Not Czechs, only people fron Suddet regions who proclaimed they are German (Volksdeutche), which ment they have thrown away the czech nationality.
@jn!x23 entirely untrue. Czechs were not allowed to serve in the German military, even if they were sufficiently insane to take part in their own planned extermination.
Especially not in the SS, which was obsessed with their requirements for "racial purity", which certainly did not include who were considered "untermensch" by the Reich.
Now people of German ancestry who proclaimed themselves Germans living in the protectorate are a different thing issue altogether. Hardly anyone can consider them Czechs, not even themselves.
I just love all the armchair historians in this comment section
Lol
ČT gladly emphesizes that Auschwitz concentration camp was Polish. We all know where the truth is. This kind of truthclaimers always follow the way to say the truth that fits best to form a common opinion
I love how Czechs always have a different view on everything... they are like western european software running on soviet hardware
omg thats the best thing i heard, hey from Czechia lmao
Seems like the perfect build
Skorpion SMG ❤️
Thank you
@@Viessaisluv i use it in army- SA vz. 61 bigger pistol :D
A bull pup anti tank rifle.... Ok you have my attention
kyle bell
Both the Solothurn family and Lahti L-39 AT rifles were bullpup systems
Pekka Rastas
A bullpup is a weapon which has it's trigger operating behind the grip
I think the more distinctive part is the magazine. Even on an AUG, some of the action is forward of the trigger and grip, but the magazine is undoubtedly behind it.
Ian says around 9:00 himself it's a bullpup
it is a Bullpup.......... with interesting mechanism
*rotates pistol grip and slides forward the whole barrel assembly*
"OMFG"
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Dis is not exactly a fine motor skill.
Cycing and Firing this thing must make you feel like the most badass being on earth
There is a fully automatic 20 mil AT rifle. Solothurn S18/1000 I think. Now that must be an experience.
They can still do some damage to a Tank without penetrating it's Armor
You can target Periscopes, tank treads, machine guns and today also optics/sensors etc.
And they can eliminate unarmored or lesser armoured support vehicles which could otherwise cause trouble to Infantry (i bet that thing shoots further than you can throw a grenade)
Also they are called Anti-Tank Rifles but were probably used as Anti-Material Rifle for the majority of the war (except for the early years)
And you could even dispose unexploded ordnance with them (i think that was never done but they are theoretically capable of doing that)
Besides that you are also giving away you position with a shot from an AT Gun, Rocket Launcher etc.
Look really unwieldy though.
Nowadays these guns are still being used to deal with equipement and softskin vehicles at standoff ranges. This is where 50. to 20mm makes the most sense, because what you are looking for isn't precision, or ease of use, its the explosive filler. What you want is a tool to get rid of vehicles, radars, machine gun nets, etc... Obviously you can use a vehicle or a rocket launcher to do this, but a vehicle is real fucking loud and vulnerable itself as it puts itself in position, and rockets have overall a pretty low range and a lower amount of ammo overall, despite a considerable boom. A target however may not need to be entirely smoked to be taken out. Lets say an insurgent vehicle is rushing towards your position, if you shoot at it with 5.6, its not going to stop unless you kill the driver or hit something absolutely critical in the engine, and engines can run for a while even after taking damage. A rocket takes way too long to set up and may not have the flexibility you need for your mission.
Its the entire reason why rifles like the Lynx were design, a man portable, accurate and rapid fire 50. AT gun that can take out things too big for rifles and too small for rockets. This is important as light vehicle warfare using technical has become a stable of insurgents across the planet and is only becoming easier to obtain as time goes on.
@@mobiuscoreindustries yeah, modern "anti-materiel" rifles are very similar to WW2-era "anti-tank rifles" - similar size projectile, similar muzzle velocity. Ian mentioned anti-tank rifles having usually 11mm, 13mm, or 20mm caliber. For comparison, .50 cal, used in lots of US and NATO rifles, is 12.7mm; the Warsaw Pact and Soviet successor states also have a slightly longer 12.7mm, and a substantially larger 14.5mm round.
The new name describes that use case pretty well. There are lots of things on the modern battlefield that are tougher than an individual soldier (even with good body armor), but way weenier than a tank. Lighter APCs, lightly-armored trucks like Humvees, artillery pieces, &c
That loading action is Garand ping level of satisfying omg
Timestamp?
Quite a piece of Czechnology!
i hate how good that dad joke is xD
🤣
Nice one.
Would you recommend this for home defense? Damn T34's causing trouble in my neighborhood.
30-50 T34s in 3-5 minutes where my kids play.
😂
Bullpup for those cqc scenarios
I wouldn't a T34 has a whole lot of armor to go up against for that gun. I'd use a Bazooka/sPzB 41
Recommend you upgrade to shaped charge warheads
That rifle is in stunning condition. Looks like it came from the factory a couple of weeks ago.
I really have a thing for Czech firearm design, especially early 20th century. They really tried some unique ideas I've never seen before and they seem to be fantastic engineers and craftsmen.
Czars Epidemic We used to be fantastic engineers and craftsmen. Communists took that away, now we are just slighty above average...
LPforFun CZE Damn commies gotta ruin everything!
CZ, man. CZ...
@@jangelnar5624 právě že za komunistů jsme ty zbraně vyvíjeli nejvíc po revoluci jsme už jen kupovali
acido Nejvíc jsme je bez debat vyvíjeli za první republiky. Ano, za komunistů jsme ještě ruční zbraně také vyráběli, ale vývoj jakékoliv těžké techniky byl zastaven.
"Most of the world was building anti-tank rifles like this."
John Browning: You silly people, you make your HMGs double as anti-tank machine guns!
Isn't that technically what a Barrett "anti materiel rifle" IS? a HMG converted to semiauto and very well aimed with a scope?
@@Ugly_German_Truths no, the Barrett is using the HMG cartridge (and prototypes used the barrels), but it shares no parts of the receiver with the M2.
Mechanically, the Barrett is a Browning A5 shotgun, box fed.
@@Ugly_German_Truths the M2HB was used in a lot of inter war "anti-tank" use.
Granted, it wasn't exactly needed at the time.
Czech bullet designers: It's not the size that matters, it's how you use it.
Kwertyuiop and then one of them screams across the room "THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID"
Yeah, us Czechs are known for having big dicks. Or being ones. Whatever.
Judas1911 Yes, the bazooka was superior, anti tank rifles were a bit outdated by the time of WWII.
Pekka Rastas The panzerfaust was inaccurate and short ranged, and the panzershreck had low penetration, and was largely derived from the bazooka, but in much-beloved 88mm. The M20 was derived from the original Bazooka, but larger caliber and more powerful. But, of course, each launder was developed to combat a different threat as tanks were improved during WWII, and mainly as a replacement for AT rifles as they became obsolete.
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Quite the interesting mechanism. It isn't actually complicated, in fact it looks sleek and utilitarian, but I haven't seen this before.
Certainly creative.
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Lol
Fxxkkin funny !
No more Steppenwolf for you. That's a good song, though.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22_Eargesplitten_Loudenboomer
Surplus ones were solid to the Galactic Emporer Marvin Martian for firing the Q-35 Space Modulator rounds. "Oh my"
Man, that is high velocity. As an engineer, you may appreciate the issues of a nearly mach 4 flight. In high speed vehicle testing, it was found that at mach 4 skin temperature can average as high as 800 degrees F which necessitates the use of high temp materials (Inconel) and ablative carbon-carbon (on the nose and leading edge) to avoid the erosion of structural or aerodynamic material. As you approach that speed with a bullet, meplat or tip erosion can create significant accuracy problems (not to mention the barrel wear).
Probably why the bullet was tungsten
Andre Krumins besides ya know needing to penetrate hardened armor plate
Andre Krumins Tungsten core only
Yup, that is some serious energy!
Good thing Tungsten is extremely heat tolerant ceramic and not a metal.
One of the most common misappropriation's of 3rd Reich nomenclature is using Wermacht as the English translation for Army
Wermacht, in German loosely means "Defense Force".
It was made up of the following Armed services:
• Heer (Army)
• Kriegsmarine:(Navy)
• Luftwaffe: (Airforce)
As we all know the Waffen SS was the military "wing" of the NSDAP (Waffen SS= "Armed SS").
Note the difference between OKW and OKH.
OKW= Oberkommando der Wermacht or High Command of "Defense Force". Whereas OKH= Oberkcommando des Heeres or High Command of the Army.
BTW, this is an AMAZING series !!
For me, it has brought to life many weapon's that I've only been able to marvel at through text and imagination!
Many thanks to lan and the crew.
wyomarine how do you pronounce Heer?
@@LeafseasonMagbag much like heir, but with a longer middle part and an h at the beginning
@Alfons Falkhayn theoretically, but like a good little dictator the corporal from Braunau did play them out against each other when it fit his goals. Also the longer the war lasted the more OKW was identical with "Führerheadquarters" and took responsibility for the strategy, while the other branch headquarters took over logistics and replenishment. It did not help that Navy and Air Force had their leaders in the inner circle of the mad man, so they could exert a lot of pull where the Army didn't have anywhere near the influence.
Wehrmacht doesn't have anything to do with Werewolves (or Werwolf/Werwölfe in german), the H is important to the word. And "defense force" is a weak interpretation... wehrhaft or bewehrt apply more to "well defended so you don't want to mess with it"... i cannot think of a real english equivalent for the word. The effect is that it was interpreted as "armed to the teeth", not just any regular "armed forces". What would come close to that meaning would be "the power of deterrent", although shortly after the Versailles treaty, when it was still the "Reichswehr" (defense/protection of the Empire) or had just started the transition in the 33-36 period, they would gladly have appealed to the not so threatening interpretation...
As for the SS being a wing of the Party... hat isn't really correct either, at least not after the Waffen SS was created and the Concentration camps really expanded (the first ones opened in 35 or 36, but they did not get to high numbers of incarcarated before the war started and all pretense flew out of the window).
It was more another organ of the state next to the Wehrmacht, the Party and some such organisations like the forcefully "unified" workers unions, a "wing of the party" implies a good number of Party leaders would be superior to them, when it was just "the Führer" and Himmler that had any authority. Yet it was more ideologically controlled, there was significantly less opposition and disagreement in its ranks than with the "normal" army. It probably would be best to compare it to the russian NKVD troops, a secondary army to prevent any uprising by the actual army and keeping the ideological control over the forces through intimidation... I doubt the West had ANYTHING close to it, at least before the letter salad became so omnipresent and powerful after the cold war started.
You also can take the existence of the SS as another example of "divide et Impera" like the Gröfaz did with the branches of the Wehrmacht where Airforce (Göring), Navy (Dönitz & Raeder) and Army (various bigwigs, usually old prussian soldier types with names including a "von" like Rundstedt or Manteuffel) competed for ressources, respect and roles in any invasion. There's more than one situaiton where Göring talking bigger than his britches lost them a strategic advantage, like with Dunkirque or Malta where the round one declared he could EASILY get the job done... Stalingrad and Berlin were his last big failures and the consequences of relying on him to actually put deeds to his words were disastrous. Hermann Göring alone might have shortened the war by a year or more through his braggadocio and incompetence. Keeping all branches constantly at each other's throat meant none of them could become a danger to the state / leadership as the ("socialist" or "soviet" inspired) sailor uprisings at the end of WW I had shown to be...
and to round it off, the Kriegsmarine was the equivalent to the Royal or US Navy, but it's name would be more read as "warfleet".
I've had one of these cartridges rolling around in a reloading room drawer for years. Just figured out what it is haha. Always just assumed it was the birth child of some crazy wildcatter.
I don't like war. I don't like weapons. But your presentation of both the history behind and the engineering in these weapons really appeals to me. This is a great channel, and you are truly privileged to get the opportunities you do.
that's one of the coolest guns I have ever seen
Yep, also one of the sexiest. The craftmanship that went into this is S tier
I just had to Czech out this new vid.
i see what you did there
Ha Ha (sigh) word play....
Man I did Nazi that one coming...
Geraud Sansom wtf that doesn't make sense.
He did Nazi (not see) that one coming.
The Czechs make some fine firearms and that is a fact. I love my CZs to this day. Thanks for the video about an interesting rifle that I did not even know existed.
this is one of the few channels i dont get irritated by the Patreon plugs. love the channel ian
andrew laipply. Most channels think they need like $10,000 worth of camera equipment. At most, I'm watching on a 15" screen, and probably more than half the time I'm only listening while I'm doing something else.
-Suburban- yep, and most of them just spend it on dumb ass shit or dumb video effects. Ian spends it to find new amazing forgotten weapons for me to drool over.
Jorge: "LET ME SHOW YOU ITS FEATCHAHHS!! Ian: "Let's take a look at the markings."
Well when you say contracted with a Czech factory, I'd assume it was more "We're occupying this land, you either work for us in these factories or you work for us in these camps, it's your choice."
Wrong, the Czech regions in the third reich had a lot of autonomy. It was just about the money.
That cartridge looks like a grain of rice standing on a soup can :)
But, it is also F A S T. It is the definition of the word "I am SPEED".
Step aside, 4000fps rice grain coming through.
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What a fascinating design - and some beautiful machining work. Czech engineering is awesome!
What a wonderful piece, greatest condition (and workmanship) of all anti tank rifles I've ever seen. Thanks Ian.
Polish had a 7.92mm AT rifle at the outbreak of WWII aka Wz. 35. Its armor piercing principle was kinda like modern HESH round by transferring shockwaves through armor to create spalling.
Interesting weapon, I actually understood how the action and the interrupter worked when you described it. I normally have a hard time picturing how these things work but your initial description and the actual engineering was simple enough that I could actually figure it out before you demonstrated how it worked.
Btw, the Wehrmacht was not the name for the German army during WW II, the army was called the Heer. Wehrmacht was the name given to the overall military (Heer, Luftwaffe, & Kriegsmarine) as a whole
At 5:00 you absolutely nailed the pronunciation of "Panzerbüchse", which is a very difficult word for Americans. Your German skills are getting really impressive, Ian.
If i ever get the needed tools i'll make a smaller version of this thing in like 7.62. Just because mechanically i think this is an amazing gun, so having a version that is design wise the same but uses easier to get ammo would be so neat.
John J I think .300 Winchester Magnum fits the case profile a little closer, personally.
I would love that. Being Czech and quito into guns it would make me smile to know that someone put a lot of effort to replicate old Czecho-Slovak designs using common ammo.
personally i love designs like this because of how they are mechanically. Which is why i like firearms, because as mechanical devices they are just so interesting. Thus if i had the chance to make one i could handle and play with, i would so spend the time and effort to take such a chance.
John J I am seriously considering making a 6.5 creedmoore.
Right now I am pricing barrels and thinking about how best to mod mags.
338 lapua mag sounds good
The Czechs make good firearms.
Indeed
yes we do
Z M
A lot of their military equipment is well built , I saw an old canteen and an old blanket from the Czech military and they looked so cool , beautiful and well made .
Yeah, we do. I have several weapons for hunting purpouses and they work flawlessly. The oldest one is side-by-side shotgun from 1946. Looks and shoots just like new.
@@ondracekivo my CZ Bren "Pistol" is an absolutely amazingly built weapon. It's basically everything I wanted in the Bushmaster ACR for half the cost.
Truly amazing engineering. Once again, thank you for your upload. The weapons you review are extremely rare.
Been watching all the anti tank/anti material rifle videos and feel like they need their own playlist! So many vids now, love it!
That was a really KOOL rifle. Design and craftsmanship was impressive.
Fascinating piece of craftsmanship and engineering. And what a nasty round. And it's a bullpup...that shoots through tanks. Thusly, this rifle is maximums awesomeness
This is a very very cool rifle, and the engineering is seriously impressive for such an unconventional design. The handful of guns that use the pistol grip as the op handle are super intriguing.
that gun looks like it comes straight out of mad max
Tobi C. It looks to me a lot like it'd be a weapon in the Metro games
Kris Handsome looks a bit to well made for that, but I would love to see the mutants and red line stand up to this though.
Well there's the Preved, basically a PRTS/D mutant. You even get to destroy a pseudo-Red Army rail tank in the last battle of Last Light.
This is a remarkably well thought out rifle. I'm in love with it!
Excellent presentation, and quite possibly one of my favorites.
12:15 that looks like the worlds most overkill handgun.
that detailed and fine machining. beautiful
CZ - Czecka Zbrojovka one of the most underrated firearms manufacturers and one of the finest; look at the craftsmanship on this weapon!
Wow! The made of this gun is really really phenomenal! What a nice piece of equipment! CZ always have fantastic work!
Credit is due to you for showing the MSS41, Thank you for a good details and explanation.
Aw, yeah, these super smooth disassemblies are my jam.
Amazing craftsmanship especially in that age, great video
Man 41 was a great year for anti-tank rifles
The first anti-tank rifle with 7.92 x107 DS ammunition was the Polish rifle wz.35 "ur"
Man, that is one good looking gun. There's something about the old-style texture of the metal, coupled with the exotic layout. It really jives with me for some reason. Totally dig it.
The craftsmanship and machining on this is just gorgeous. Czechs really make some nice equipment
By far the coolest gun you've shown us!
Nice Video brother! I really like this one. Such an interesting history, and frankly craftmanship the CZ factory's has. Even today in my own collection. I never would have even known about this gun if not for you, Thanks man. Cool Anti Tank gun!
That is one gorgeous weapon. Its just beautiful.
one of the reasons I love this channel, some nice, obscure gun I can use for the fictions I write.
This is what the bull pup design is good for. Nice quality piece of equipment. Czechoslovakia made some really nice stuff back them. Their 38t tank was very good as well.
Old school CZ anti-tank gun..... This is without a doubt, one of the coolest damn guns I have ever seen.
Great video , thank you sir
More incredible machining.
That's pretty cool. Simplicity and ease of use.
Thought this was a PTRS-41, my heart skipped a beat damn you Ian
The Polish Model UR anti armor weapon was exactly this type and caliber. I saw photographs in the German After Action report showing the after effects of being struck by these rifles. The favorite target by the gunners happened to be the tank driver's vision slit which looked like a colander. Also popular was the white or yellow cross painted on the flat surfaces of the tanks. After the completion of the Polish campaign, German vehicle insignia was no longer solid white or yellow. It was changed to show a black cross with a white outline.
That's not the CZ mark - a Z in a barrel is the ZB factory mark (Zbrojovka Brno)
What a seriously cool gun! Awesome video!
Thank you Ian!
Cool gun, very interesting mechanism. Looks to be very practical.
"The "CZ factory was contracted with...." It was probably more of case you will make these and you will like it.
Thanks buddy ! Great review again!
Keep up the good and informative work!
Always love to see anti-tank guns from you, Ian... still hoping you might get your hands on a PTRS
AMAZING Machine work
At 2:40 the light almost makes the gun look gold plated!
I couldn't stop looking at that sweet network jack on your wall..
Ian please try to find a Wz. 35. It's a Polish anti-tank rifle, firing the 7.92x107. It differs from most AT rifles of the time by being designed not to penetrate, but rather squash against the armor. This transfers kinetic energy through the armor plate and causes a disk of the inner plate that is 20mm in diameter to spall. It's very similar to the idea of the modern HESH round.
Ian I think your concealed carry is a bit big
Awesome video ian. Thanks a ton
The machine work on this rifle is way better than all the other anti-tank rifles it's beautiful
The symbol shown at the 6 minute mark is not the CZ symbol as Ian stated but a Z inside a rifle barrel which is the trademark of the Zbrojovka Brno arms factory. The CZ symbol is a Z inside of a C standing for Ceska Zbrojovka. Zbrojovka is Czech for armoury. These 2 manufacturers were completely different entities.
This rifle is therefore not a CZ but a Brno.
Thanks Ian...always excellent content. The action and machining like most things from Czechoslovakia during this era, are very slick. This is such a clever design.
Side note........I hope you and Karl make it back from Fin-Land without creating too much of an "International Incident" and diplomatic crisis...
I think this is pretty neat. Reminds me a lot of the Czech made Falcon or what would become the Falcon. Would love to see if possible a review of a Steyr IWS 2000... looks a lot like a suped up AUG but semi automatic only. Dont think they ever really caught on as you never see or hear about them, and considering how prolific the AUG is with people its a bit of a surprise that it's not talked about that often.
The machining on that rifle is what I would call very high quality for fit and finish.
Yay! I get to watch the rest of the video!
Looks like a mechanically very solid design. Intersting!
That thing is incredible!
That thing is a work of art
Love how Czechs always had something new to bring to the table they were kinda like the keltec of their era
This is actually brilliant. The action is so obviously simple and efficient. How is this not an industry standard big bore model?
Dat machining.....
Thanks for subtitles
I love learning about these anti-tank rifles and how every nation has their own
It's just... Beautiful
great as always
Awesome Ian!
What a piece of art.
such an interesting design!
I fully understand why, but dang it, I would have loved to see this in action.
Very nice again Ian !
Have to say, a high velocity round would still have some definite uses where it could be called in when the normal guns couldn't penetrate other types of cover. So it's not surprising that they were still in use.
Dude, that cycling is awesome. Why aren't there more like that in video games? Looks so cool!
that cycle sound!
A masterpiece of engineering and machining.