Ian,i think you should contact Saint-Petersburg's Artillery Museum, there are hundreeds of extremely unique guns and once of it's kind prototypes, from medievil multi-barrel cannons and late 19'th - early 20'th century semi-auto rifle prototypes to a full collection of Kalashnikov's designs, including his early wartime SMG's. Also stuff like Fedorov's, Mausers 1915 and 1944 SKS prototype that saw action in WW2. I can help you with translation and navigation in the city if you wish.
Sadly with abysmal attribution and next to no info written anywhere on the examples, no historic information or concept. Just neat piles and racks of guns in a rough chronological progression. With curt, possibly sometimes incorrect or too vague designations. The museum's artillery and rocketry expositions are way better at this, with background and displays and attribution (it's the Artillery and Signal Corps Museum after all), but it was maddening to looks at so many interesting guns with little explanation on precisely what they are and what their attribution is (and if it's even been done). And no English of course (exhibit cards for most small arms are many decades old). But the collection is great, no doubt - I was amazed to find a brass-plated (or otherwise yellow; again - no explanations or even a simple title card!) air-cooled, pristine early-version Maxim gun standing in the corner, with only ornate engraving on the top (in Russian) telling me that this was the gun demonstrated and gifted by Hiram Maxim himself to the Russian Emperor. Again, no card or rope barrier, nothing.
sounds like quite the job. At least getting Ian there to do some videos on pieces he's able to identify and maybe a video on the small arms collection in general would help raise awareness so that more people can devote time to rediscovering the history of the pieces in the collection before events, records, and people with obscure knowledge are too far gone to retrieve, track down, or interview.
Uhhhhh... hey dum dum, the name of the channel is forgotten weapons. You clearly want the "Common modern weapons everyone has seen before" channel. Moron shhhhh!
I knew it reminded me of something, and this comment made me think of what it was. In the original pilot for _Star Trek_ (the one with Jeffrey Hunter), the writers hadn't invented the phaser yet, and the Starfleet crewmen's sidearms were laser pistols--the props for which were made out of, I kid you not, typewriter parts. www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/artoftrek/wahchang-laser.jpg The bolt from this gun is basically that, except from the Badass Dimension. :)
You know you've created a good anti-tank rifle when almost any single part of it, if detached, is still viable for bludgeoning a man to death. Case in point: the PTRD.
Any idea if a .50 BMG cartridge would fit into this? Might explain the catastrophic failure, if someone in the more modern times, perhaps the 1940s or 50s got hands on this and tried to use it with a .50 BMG cartridge the pressures might´ve been a lot different. Just speculating. Perhaps when they were making that other, Barrett style rifle they tested this thing again and found it unsuitable.
An interesting thought, idk if an out of battery firing would do that kind of damage as I'm no gunsmith, however I'm thinking a bmg would NOT be headapaced for this
Nice find ! i especially LOVE the use of a 1911 grip frame/panels. A slight revamp of this Mauser based design (eliminate the magazine/cutout, different stock and sights) using modern metallurgy, would make this a highly desirable single shot for the .50BMG enthusiast.
Rob Greene it's like the whole thing is made from whatever the factory had at the time, the sight, the grips, maybe even the choice of action for the design- looks like it might be a cock on closing Mauser action seems familiar!
dualsport rider Why? There are multiple different .50 caliber rounds. A bmg would almost be impossible to pull off in a lever gun. .45-70, and the Russian lever (1895's) already had massively reinforced actions. A bmg would require an INSANELY strong lever action. Crazy to even think about. I'd rather it be chambered in .50 Beowulf (I think that's how it's spelled not sure if it's "historically" accurate). There's a reason most lever guns are chambered in old pistol, and magnum rounds.
They had a .50cal sniper in WWII that was bolt action take down and was a two man team rifle. the second gut carried half of the rifle and was the bipod during shooting if you couldn't find a good tree. Was still in use in 1979 for support units. I was assigned as gunner for the one for 4th S& T battalion.
A friend of mine attended gunsmith school down in Arizona, for his project he built a .50 cal single shot rifle. The action was a bit over built I doubt he could ever blow it, he got a commercial barrel that was a factory second from somewhere in the pipeline, the barrel was fluted and one of the flutes was too thin and so was rejected for commercial sale. He had a shock absorber in the stock but the secret to the rifle being shoulder fired was the clamshell muzzle break he built for it. He made several but the best allowed the rifle to be fired from the shoulder and tamed the recoil down to about 12 gauge slug from a riot gun. He had a nice Unertal scope on it, and it was a very accurate rifle for a home built. The trigger was a target adjustable for pull weight so very smooth and llite for accurate shooting.
That sure has an interesting appearance too it. I love that bolt. Very interesting design. Not the first time I have seen the pistol grip used as the bolt handle, but a good clean example of such a system.
This seems like a really cool design. I wonder if the receiver's bad day had anything to do with why it didn't go any further as a project. The full grip and trigger as a bolt handle seems like a good idea, but I don't think I've seen it done on anything else.
when you talked about needing to disassemble the gun to show how the gun was designed to avoid the trigger being able to fire the gun out of battery, i had a horrible feeling that the next scene would open with the gun disassembled, thereby cutting out an important part of learning about the gun Then I was reminded that this is Forgotten Weapons, a show that is better than that.
"Pugsley" is such the name. I can see it being either the name of a grizzled officer, like "Sgt. Pugsley," or the name of a lackey who gets called in after a snafu, "Who did this? PUGSLEEEEY! GET IN HERE!"
I don't watch a whole lot of your videos (because I always busy lol) but mate, when I do I'm never disappointed. Very informative and very interesting. Keep up the good work!
Regarding the failure. I suspect the barrel was assembled a little bit too far back, so all the force was going onto the “safety lug” in the pistol grip, stretching the receiver. The failure would have been unspectacular, as the front lugs would have acted as safety lugs and kept the cartridge contained.
Now THAT looks like something out of "Buck Rogers" and "Star Wars"! (Or an "Anti Martian Fighting Vehicle Gun," since those science fiction franchises didn't exist when The Lewis Gun was high tech.) On second thought, "Marvin the Martian" would do handstands over this "wall gun."
The grip (hand grip) has a near appearance (shape, angle and what looks to me size) of our current AR grip. Just happened to catch my eye and again, by shear appearances only.
Prior to seeing this one, did you think that these really didn't exist anymore? I'm surprised that the museum would just be sitting on one without anyone else knowing.
Have you ever tried to do any reports on the R.W. Norton (Shreveport, LA) gun collection? They have a small number of fantastic guns on display at the Norton Art Gallery. Borchardt(sp?) pistols, tround (triangular round) pistol/rifle, rare titanium pistols and lots more. The Norton personal collection is vast but they only keep a few dozen at the museum. Normal people can't get onto the Norton mansion grounds but I'd bet that you could arrange it. They're nice people, but heavily guarded and if you come within a few hundred yards of their compound, big commando looking guys in suits will meet you in seconds. I wish you'd get in there for us.
Looks to me like the force was transferred through the locking lug, into the locking surface inside the frame, and the summit of the circular part of the crack is where that locking surface is, and where the fissure started. I think that's really interesting.
J.T.O. this is so funny! I made a video about a possible new elite class for either the Russian DLC or the turning tides dlc lol. this is so stupid to self advertise but you should check it out its a cool video :p
I wonder how effective the recoil mitigation system is, when i first saw the stock i thought for sure it would injure the shooter with all that force going straight through solid wood into them
A Mauser-like bolt, a 1911 grip frame, and a stock designed by Tim Burton.
Oh if only I could thumbs up on mobile. Go you!
zendell37 are you talking about likeing peoples stuff ?
zendell37 you can wottt
The stock is very reminiscent of a Kentucky Rifle.
Fuzzy Dunlop with grease-gun style peep hole sights
Published writer: This gun no longer exist!
Gun Jesus: Oh ye of so little faith
Published writer: This gun no longer exist!
Ian: Hold my Beer... And Watch This!
It's not the fault of the published writers. Not many know of Gun Jesus' ability to turn lesser weapons into Forgotten Weapons.
This holy artifact, for example, was created from a Mosin Nagant, and four SKS rifles.
Well it is broken.
but it exist. Do not question the miracles of Gun Jesus
"Prototype"
"WW1"
"50 cal"
All the right things!
Dice you know what to do.
All the right things for it to be a pre-order exclusive for Battlefield One:Two
Dániel Deák dice knows what to do: “how does she taste, where her teeth melting”
"And here we have a one of a kind rifle that was previously thought to be lost to history." "Great, can I take it apart?"... And they said yes!
Gun Sense (drmaudio) shooting?
@@codyjackalope8464 well the receiver is broken, and the ammo was only ever experimental, so...
"The grip *IS* the bolt!"
... What?!
Its the charging handle yes
@@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917 big difference
Your arm would probably shatter if it was directly part of the barrel
Ian,i think you should contact Saint-Petersburg's Artillery Museum, there are hundreeds of extremely unique guns and once of it's kind prototypes, from medievil multi-barrel cannons and late 19'th - early 20'th century semi-auto rifle prototypes to a full collection of Kalashnikov's designs, including his early wartime SMG's. Also stuff like Fedorov's, Mausers 1915 and 1944 SKS prototype that saw action in WW2. I can help you with translation and navigation in the city if you wish.
He will do guns post Muzzle-Action. Given of those , I want to see them all.
I want to see them all.
Does that include Korobov's various prototypes?
Korobovs would be awesome!!
Sadly with abysmal attribution and next to no info written anywhere on the examples, no historic information or concept. Just neat piles and racks of guns in a rough chronological progression. With curt, possibly sometimes incorrect or too vague designations. The museum's artillery and rocketry expositions are way better at this, with background and displays and attribution (it's the Artillery and Signal Corps Museum after all), but it was maddening to looks at so many interesting guns with little explanation on precisely what they are and what their attribution is (and if it's even been done). And no English of course (exhibit cards for most small arms are many decades old).
But the collection is great, no doubt - I was amazed to find a brass-plated (or otherwise yellow; again - no explanations or even a simple title card!) air-cooled, pristine early-version Maxim gun standing in the corner, with only ornate engraving on the top (in Russian) telling me that this was the gun demonstrated and gifted by Hiram Maxim himself to the Russian Emperor. Again, no card or rope barrier, nothing.
sounds like quite the job. At least getting Ian there to do some videos on pieces he's able to identify and maybe a video on the small arms collection in general would help raise awareness so that more people can devote time to rediscovering the history of the pieces in the collection before events, records, and people with obscure knowledge are too far gone to retrieve, track down, or interview.
"Winchester"
Aw, another old timey rifle like the dozens I've seen...
".50 Cal Antitank Rifle"
Let's give this a watch, shall we.
Uhhhhh... hey dum dum, the name of the channel is forgotten weapons. You clearly want the "Common modern weapons everyone has seen before" channel. Moron shhhhh!
@@reganmorben9248 I'm pretty sure I'm seeing sarcasm font here.
@@reganmorben9248 you are aware he looks at normal guns all the time, right?
If you turn the gun around, you can use the sharp edge of the buttstock as a bayonet.
Would it not be better to take the buttstock off and throw it like a pommel?
AxeGaijin End that tank rightly!
AxeGaijin ...God I love Skallagrim's followers...they will never let that die out.
@@jaxxons11 No we won't
"This design gets forgotten"
Perfect
Thomas Allen true
Buh dum tsssss
This looks like a weapon that would fit very well in an oldschool fallout game.
WalrusJones could you go help this settlement with this rifle....here I'll mark it on your map
it kinda looks like a laser or guoss gun. i know in not spelling that right but hopefully u know what i mean.
I concur.
It does somewhat remind me of the Wattz 2000 Laser Rifle.
anti materiel rifle
The pistol grip/ bolt assembly looks like the worlds coolest laser pistol!
I knew it reminded me of something, and this comment made me think of what it was. In the original pilot for _Star Trek_ (the one with Jeffrey Hunter), the writers hadn't invented the phaser yet, and the Starfleet crewmen's sidearms were laser pistols--the props for which were made out of, I kid you not, typewriter parts. www.ex-astris-scientia.org/gallery/artoftrek/wahchang-laser.jpg
The bolt from this gun is basically that, except from the Badass Dimension. :)
and if it fails, just hammer the tank with it.
End them rightly.
Chaosrain112 That only applies to pommels
Heavy is good, heavy is reliable.
Put it in the track it will most likely stop the whole thing.
Upgrade yer hammer to +5 then ascend it to wrench.
The bolt and pistol grip assembly look already like a pretty beefy gun lol
I know, I kinda wanted him to put a Beretta 92 up to it for comparison.
Looks like a Star Wars blaster
Interestingly this is not the last 50. cal to use this kind of bolt
You know you've created a good anti-tank rifle when almost any single part of it, if detached, is still viable for bludgeoning a man to death. Case in point: the PTRD.
7:27 I thought the same. Technically you could put a .50 BMG on the end and call it a handgun.
It looks like someone stuck a 1911 inside a tube and got an idea
I can actually picture it.
We reeeally need an episode dedicated to the development of the .50 BMG.
"Take the bolt out, and end them rightly with it!"
The bolt itself looks like a Star Wars blaster in a Johnny Seven kind of way.
Damn. This would fit an Imperial stormtrooper.
yet they still wouldn't hit a damn thing...
Have you seen the spread on those stupid blasters?
There is a case to be made that "Old Ben" was getting a bit senile...
Or that the last time he saw guys in white armor, he was kicking droid ass with them.
Could easily pierce through Luke's landspeeder
I swear this man has a time machine. He's a time traveling arms dealer and thats bad ass
Ian is not an arms dealer... what a retarded comment to make.
Your .50 cal exploding is the definition of a bad day.
Seeing the 1911 grip and the way the action is cycled, imagine how cool it would be if you could remove the grip and it's a fully functional 1911
That sounds even more like something they'd put in Battlefield 1 than just this crazy thing by itself.
It's as though the bastard child of a Sterling and a Barrett was banished back in time to 1918, never to be seen again
Any idea if a .50 BMG cartridge would fit into this? Might explain the catastrophic failure, if someone in the more modern times, perhaps the 1940s or 50s got hands on this and tried to use it with a .50 BMG cartridge the pressures might´ve been a lot different. Just speculating. Perhaps when they were making that other, Barrett style rifle they tested this thing again and found it unsuitable.
Whoever fired that last round is probably still on the can . . .
An interesting thought, idk if an out of battery firing would do that kind of damage as I'm no gunsmith, however I'm thinking a bmg would NOT be headapaced for this
@@loddude5706 it was Scott
"...it's pretty stiff, so I'm not gonna try jamming it in there..."
bcinkley417 was hoping I wasn't the only one to notice that lol!
@Sean Wilkinson Sean buddy, that joke died back in middle school, and I'm 21 now.
Nice find ! i especially LOVE the use of a 1911 grip frame/panels.
A slight revamp of this Mauser based design (eliminate the magazine/cutout, different stock and sights) using modern metallurgy, would make this a highly desirable single shot for the .50BMG enthusiast.
Rob Greene it's like the whole thing is made from whatever the factory had at the time, the sight, the grips, maybe even the choice of action for the design- looks like it might be a cock on closing Mauser action seems familiar!
First time I've found myself saying "Its ugly & I want it" in the same sentence.
My god...Ian found it...HE FOUND THE THING THAT GOES UP!! 8:41
As the Cheiftan would say someone had a " significant emotional event"
Hey Winchester I need help making my gun look as insane as possible! Can you help?
Winchester: say no more!!!!
The buttstock makes it look like an Arquebus..
I'm surprised I recognize that reference...
It is entirely possible that this gun being damaged is the reason why it still exists and the others have presumably been destroyed.
The Liberty Bell of Anti-Tank firearms.
"in some point someone fired this and it basically went kaboom.."
I love that guy xD
Huh, this one looks like the Mandalorian's disintegrator rifle
“No disintegrations”.
That would like right at home in the hands of a Tusken Raider...
When he moved the grip just said "Holy shit." Out loud. Damn
I'm just gonna watch one really interesting video of Forgotten weapons before going to sleep
THREE HOURS LATER
"It's pretty stiff, so I'm not going to jam it in there."
The prop department at Lucasfilm would love to get their hands on that bolt assembly with pistol grip to make a Star Wars blaster
I saw Winchester 50 cal in the tittle and I immediately thought of a 50 cal leaver action. I am disappointed.
Adam Kilby I hope u mean 50 bmg lever gun
As long as you can dual wield it, then it sounds good to me
FUCK YEAH DUAL WIELDING 50 CAL LEVER ACTION GUNZ
That would require the "beefiest" action ever lol. Would be insane.
dualsport rider Why? There are multiple different .50 caliber rounds. A bmg would almost be impossible to pull off in a lever gun. .45-70, and the Russian lever (1895's) already had massively reinforced actions. A bmg would require an INSANELY strong lever action. Crazy to even think about. I'd rather it be chambered in .50 Beowulf (I think that's how it's spelled not sure if it's "historically" accurate). There's a reason most lever guns are chambered in old pistol, and magnum rounds.
They had a .50cal sniper in WWII that was bolt action take down and was a two man team rifle. the second gut carried half of the rifle and was the bipod during shooting if you couldn't find a good tree. Was still in use in 1979 for support units. I was assigned as gunner for the one for 4th S& T battalion.
A friend of mine attended gunsmith school down in Arizona, for his project he built a .50 cal single shot rifle. The action was a bit over built I doubt he could ever blow it, he got a commercial barrel that was a factory second from somewhere in the pipeline, the barrel was fluted and one of the flutes was too thin and so was rejected for commercial sale. He had a shock absorber in the stock but the secret to the rifle being shoulder fired was the clamshell muzzle break he built for it. He made several but the best allowed the rifle to be fired from the shoulder and tamed the recoil down to about 12 gauge slug from a riot gun. He had a nice Unertal scope on it, and it was a very accurate rifle for a home built. The trigger was a target adjustable for pull weight so very smooth and llite for accurate shooting.
When the Anti-tank rifle is secretly a modified 1911 when the bolt is removed.😅😅
Thanx Ian. I really enjoy the prototypes, forgotten, remembered or just not yet known. Always informative and entertaining.
That grip/ bolt combo seems like a feature that would have caught on in the earlier battle rifles.
Probably isn't that reliable or sturdy in the long run.
That sure has an interesting appearance too it. I love that bolt. Very interesting design. Not the first time I have seen the pistol grip used as the bolt handle, but a good clean example of such a system.
Ian McCollum unicorn catcher
Tankgewehr seems to be prehistorical beside this rifle.
I feel like this was inspiration for sci-fi weapons.
This is awesome Ian, never knew that thing existed before now, thanks!
Just when I thought ive seen everything when you showed us the .50 from ww2, you bring us a .50 from ww1!
This seems like a really cool design. I wonder if the receiver's bad day had anything to do with why it didn't go any further as a project. The full grip and trigger as a bolt handle seems like a good idea, but I don't think I've seen it done on anything else.
Congrats on a half million subscribers .
Thanks!
Well that's a great gun to watch on my birthday. Thanks for uploading Ian.
Jerry Long Well thank you. I'm 23 now.
when you talked about needing to disassemble the gun to show how the gun was designed to avoid the trigger being able to fire the gun out of battery, i had a horrible feeling that the next scene would open with the gun disassembled, thereby cutting out an important part of learning about the gun
Then I was reminded that this is Forgotten Weapons, a show that is better than that.
"Pugsley" is such the name. I can see it being either the name of a grizzled officer, like "Sgt. Pugsley," or the name of a lackey who gets called in after a snafu, "Who did this? PUGSLEEEEY! GET IN HERE!"
That 50 looks like what you will see on Road Warriors movie
Link to forum post with a picture of the gun + scope. forums.spacebattles.com/threads/two-more-obscure-american-anti-tank-rifles.382636/
Spacebattles, thats a name I haven't heard in a long time.
The moment Ian pulled back that bolt, my brain imploded.
When the bolt and trigger group is out of the gun it looks like a Star Wars pistol 🤙🏻
Fascinating as usual, cheers Ian
You just gave me some info for an Airgun...Problem solved in simplicity! Thank You Ian!!!
I don't watch a whole lot of your videos (because I always busy lol) but mate, when I do I'm never disappointed. Very informative and very interesting. Keep up the good work!
When he said
"This was as the name implies.."
After saying that name I thought he was gonna repeat the name lol
2:52 thanks for the glimpse of the sight picture.
When a 50 has a meltdown it's an event like funeral or fireworks
That is more than likely my favorite video out of all of them for sure
I dont know why but the pistol grip also being the bolt handle just excited me in ways that i didnt expect.
This fits the aesthetic of the old school isometric Fallout games from the 90’s-early 2000s so well
Regarding the failure. I suspect the barrel was assembled a little bit too far back, so all the force was going onto the “safety lug” in the pistol grip, stretching the receiver. The failure would have been unspectacular, as the front lugs would have acted as safety lugs and kept the cartridge contained.
Now I am not only a Patreon of Forgotten Weapons but also of InRangeTV! :3c
Yes, you fucking nerd. You are.
The idea of using the Pistol Grip as a Bolt is so incredibly cool.
7:29 confirmation of a gun within a gun
Right off the back, 7:03. best thing ever
That grip/bolt assembly looks like it could be a prototype Forgotten Weapon all on it's own!
Now THAT looks like something out of "Buck Rogers" and "Star Wars"! (Or an "Anti Martian Fighting Vehicle Gun," since those science fiction franchises didn't exist when The Lewis Gun was high tech.) On second thought, "Marvin the Martian" would do handstands over this "wall gun."
Excellent content as always
GUNNNN JESUSSSSSS (to the theme of The Good, The Bad and The Ugly)
The grip (hand grip) has a near appearance (shape, angle and what looks to me size) of our current AR grip. Just happened to catch my eye and again, by shear appearances only.
Hands have changed less than guns over the years?
Full name of the gun (in case you want to Google it): Model Of 1918 .50 Caliber High Powered Bolt Action Swivel Gun.
Prior to seeing this one, did you think that these really didn't exist anymore? I'm surprised that the museum would just be sitting on one without anyone else knowing.
That is one massive Winchester. Holy cow!!!
Ian, nice Video again!
I like that safety. No second guessing.
Can you imagine the relief of the test shooter when the thing cracked open and the project was canceled? I never have to shoot that again? Aw shucks.
Seriously, daily forgotten weapons videos makes me have a better quality of life
I love the 1911 grip. I realize it was just expedient way to prototype, but I'd like to think they would keep it.
Multi-purpose magazine. Place it in front of your person and you now have concealment. Absolutely massive
Have you ever tried to do any reports on the R.W. Norton (Shreveport, LA) gun collection?
They have a small number of fantastic guns on display at the Norton Art Gallery. Borchardt(sp?) pistols, tround (triangular round) pistol/rifle, rare titanium pistols and lots more. The Norton personal collection is vast but they only keep a few dozen at the museum.
Normal people can't get onto the Norton mansion grounds but I'd bet that you could arrange it. They're nice people, but heavily guarded and if you come within a few hundred yards of their compound, big commando looking guys in suits will meet you in seconds.
I wish you'd get in there for us.
Looks to me like the force was transferred through the locking lug, into the locking surface inside the frame, and the summit of the circular part of the crack is where that locking surface is, and where the fissure started.
I think that's really interesting.
this would be awesome in battlefield 1
J.T.O. first thing I thought of
TBag [Epic Gaming Content] it should be a new elite class in the Turing tides dlc
J.T.O. this is so funny! I made a video about a possible new elite class for either the Russian DLC or the turning tides dlc lol. this is so stupid to self advertise but you should check it out its a cool video :p
J.T.O. should only be usable for a few rounds before blowing up in your face
J.T.O. idk...i think the apocalypse dlc seems more appropriate. after all, that dlc focuses on experimental weapons
hard to think of a gun better suited to this channel
"Its pretty stiff so im not gonna try jamming it in there" - Ian McCullum, a Gentleman and a Scholar
God, imagine cycling this thing with the only grip being the bolt, as tanks and infantry advance on you no less!
When that bolt is out of the gun, it looks like something out of Star Wars. It's big enough to be a handgun in and of itself.
The chamber cracked, and the poor gunners shorts and pants never again came clean.
from the thumbnail: looks like a piece of junk.
the video: WHOOOOOOOA MAMA THAT IS A SEXY FIREARM
Where the thumbnail ends it makes it look like a gravity fed blunderbuss of something
From the Adams Family to gun design. What a great country.
i used to be an adventurer like you, but then i took a 508grain bullet @ 3000fps to the knee
I wonder how effective the recoil mitigation system is, when i first saw the stock i thought for sure it would injure the shooter with all that force going straight through solid wood into them
Someone needs to make a video game that has this rifle with a working, detachable Colt 1911 as the charging handle.
It would be really cool to have some gunsmiths and machinists blueprint and recreate these amazing weapons. And see what they can do.