Sims 4's "New Concept" for Caliente Sisters Overhaul - Why!?
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- The Sims 4 recently released new "concept art" for their official makeovers of some of the premade Sims - including the Calientes and Goths. It's not what we expected, that's for sure. I'm not clear on why we actually needed a new concept. We already had one. It's called The Sims 2. What do you think?
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Thanks for all your lovely comments! I appreciate those of you with game dev experience weighing in!
Just an FYI: I am aware of why concept art exists. I'm only questioning the need for it in the case of remaking the playable Sims.
If it's necessary for us to get our beloved Sims back, then I'm all for it!
It's not just remaking sims; it's changing the way the game generates them when you load up a new save that's a lot of work. The concept art ensures the ideas are consistent through the many teams working to accomplish this significant change. Also, they were in talks with sims experts. Concept art is easier to make changes to than making them in-game and changing them in-game.
@@herokibs yes! Quite agree to this, but also obviously the community would give those new characters some criticism and things like that. So that's why they really to need to work on it thoroughly, and not rushing the design.
I'm guessing they're putting out concept art because they want to gauge peoples reaction before they make any permanent in-game changes. It's maybe not super common, but it's also not unheard of for companies to have "leaks" or outright show things they're working on before they officially commit to them if they're not sure how the fans will react. That live action Sonic movie is a good example. They put out the trailer, probably because they were uncertain of how Sonic's appearance would play with audiences, and when they saw the massive backlash they changed it based on feedback. It also creates goodwill in the community, because it gives a sense of "see they listened to us and made changes based on what we said!"
I'd bet the Sims Team is fishing for feedback. They know they botched this once and if they botch it again by just releasing new appearances without any player feedback it'll be a bloodbath.
@@herokibs that platform is done. It's made..all the things Cindy brought up can be accomplished in a few days. And a big ty to Cindy for pointing this out. 🥰
@@dilliya incorrect
i’m convinced that the sims 4 developers have never played a sims game in their entire life lmfao
LOL! Sometimes I think the same thing!
i think this all the time 🤣🤣
Honestly facts
THE SIMS 4 CAN'T EVEN SIMULATE PROPERLY! remember when the game launched? We thought it was so cool that they could multitask but I feel like they've only gotten more and more stupid. Don't EVEN get me started on whims.
@@MiotaLee this! Often times they just stand there for (in game) hours on end doing nothing, with no reason why they aren't doing the task you've lined up for them. They just idle endlessly.
Imagining Cindy waking up in the middle of the night because of the Caliente sisters has me rolling bahahahah 😅💙
They could’ve done this *concept* stuff from within the game itself!
When it comes to the Caliente sisters, I have no clue why their appearances were botched… and their PERSONALITIES WERE SWAPPED!
It would have been more well-received, I think!
@@PleasantSims Yeah sims team is so unnecessarily extra smh 🤦🏽♀️
In reddit it was defended as "that how bussiness work" well fine, why bother show us concept art and not just the finished product then??? They know people will get mad with these weird looking concept art so why show them?! Atleast Plumbella is involve and confirmed that she atleast got Dina's hair color right
I'm wondering who came up with the OG concept for TS4 caliente sisters 🤣
I think they’re going to construct new facial presets for them? That’s the only way this makes sense to me.
I think Mortimer looks PHENOMENAL! Bella, Nina and Dina ... YIKES! The Sims 4 team continues to do an excellent job at showing how much they *don't* care for the Sims franchise, and how disconnected they really are, smh.
They are so out of touch, it's unbelievable.
The old Bella was fine, if a bit too light skinned. The new one looks old, tired, and just fed up with life. (Which is understandable since she lives in Sims 4)
This is a side note, but I'm not even excited for the Sims 5. Even if the gameplay and personality is fixed (which I doubt it will be) I already know the base game is going to be so lackluster just so they can shove 90% of the actual content into expansion packs, stuff packs, game packs, kits and a 5th game add on that I'm sure they will inevitably create by the time it comes out.
I also think game elements that EVERYONE experiences in real life, like seasons, laundry, and pets should be free, while paid DLC should only be add ons that aren't essential to life in the real world. But knowing EA, that will NEVER happen. As I believe pets and seasons are their highest selling DLC packs. Maybe this is all an unpopular opinion, but I've had those thoughts in my head for a while.
I agree with you on all points.
Same I love the Sims series but 4 left a bad impression on me, 5 could turn out great but I'm gonna pass on that one.
I fear the Sims 5 will be on of those game as a service games, and most of the content will be behind loot boxes or something alike.
That's an idea!
The Sims 5 should have this in the base game:
Seasons
Cats and Dogs
Pools
Bunk Beds
Cars
Bikes
Disability Awareness-stuff (with an on/off switch
And everything else can be an EP.
More packs for more pets!
No GPs
No SPs
yeah i agree, it'll never get better. as much as sims 4 fans hate hearing this, the dev team really dropped the ball and its obvious they dont even care about fixing it
As someone who is really interested in concept art as a whole and learns to become a character designer here are some things I have to say:
Why we need concept art for Sims changing:
Concept art is a communication tool. The art director describes what they want, the concept artist visualized these in a sketch (In this case, these are painted over screenshots), it goes back and forth with feedback. When approved, it goes to the modelers or illustrators. It would take 30 minutes or less for a single person that does all this procedure for themselves. A player is art director, concept artist, and modeler at once. But in a team no one is or should be able to make decissions on their own because that could leed to a mess.
Also as a note because I think many people just get an uncanny vibe from the concept art: Its purely functional. no colors, no lighting, everything is also perfectly symmetrical. its not even a neutral mood, the eyelids are on "zero" think of it like a tpose of the face. It comes of as very unnatural but this is the readability designers need.
This! its frustrating having so many people think its just one persons job to make the sims, 10-20 or likely more people have to all agree.
Ok but like the conception part has already been done. Their Sims 2 iterations are literally the blueprint
I was gonna explain the same thing, because I am an actual designer (soon finishing my master degree). But you beat me to it.
Good that Cindy faved your comment because it's 100% correct.
Concept art is made for communication. It would be a huge waste of time to create an entire Sim and then have your boss tell you that everything is wrong and you have to start from scratch.
To avoid this we designers work in smaller steps, show sketches first and then proceed to colour tests once the overall shape and design from the sketches got approved etc.
Corporational design is a team effort and that's wonderful because a good set of designers can create better quality than one designer alone most of the time.
Also in this case they had briefings with the sims UA-camr Plumbella and looked for her feedback as a player, too.
@@RenEatsHands so it takes 20 people to make 1 sim....how and why?your taking her video personal.its doesn't take months and a whole team to make a sim.and if we have 20 people making on bad sim thats a huge waste of time
Also why do we need concept art for pre existing characters...you argument makes no sense
My feelings are that they're trying to get rid of stuff like the iconic green eyes that evidence their alien heritage because, unlike The Sims 2, aliens aren't base game while the Caliente household is :/
I hope that's not the case! I'm crossing my fingers they keep the green eyes and maybe it was just an oversight or something in these drawings.
Aliens weren't in base game in Sims 3 either. They came in the Seasons expansion pack, and the Calientes come in the Barnacle Bay world you could get from the store. So that would be a really bad excuse considering aliens and Calientes were miles apart in the last series too.
Were the green eyes confirmed from their alien heritage? Alien eyes in TS2 were black, and Nighat also had green eyes with no alien heritage. Honestly I don't mind the dark eyes over the green ones because the green eyes in TS4 are so awfully unrealistic.
@@SnazzyArcade yeah aliens don’t even have green irises so that’d be an odd reasoning, to me
Yeah but The Sims 3 aliens weren't base game, either and they kept the green eyes there.
I don’t even play the sims 4 anymore (Sims 2 & 3 all the way), but I still love watching your sims 4 videos to see what I’m totally NOT missing lol.
Lol! Thank you for still watching Mar!
Me tooooo LOL They better make Sims 5 true to actual Sims.
Same here HAHA
Ditto XD I don't play sims 4 anymore never ever ever... :D but I'm cheering for every sims 4 gamers, finally get a good game, without bug and poor sims motion animation. And get funcional car of course.
Agreeed!!
Another question this brings: Will they fix Cassandra too? Bc how they did her is an injustice I have to fix immediately when I enter a new save.
The pigtails and round glasses aren’t it.
@@rahmel2009 The pigtails and glasses are iconic. She wouldn't be Cassandra without them!
What about Katrina Caliente? She going to be changed too?
@@SnazzyArcade Okay but Cassandra & Katrina’s hair BOTH are dog ugly, also that Karen cut Eliza and Dina wear.
@@rahmel2009 I don't think Katrina should exist at all, or if she does maybe as a weird aunt or something. It's just erasing their heritage.
Cassandra had the pigtails in every iteration of the game-maybe they could be updated to small buns, but that + round glasses were part of her look. I agree that Dina & Eliza should not have the same hairstyle lol, and Nina's hairstyle is just awful.
Wouldn’t it have been cool if they just ran a competition for players to recreate them and the winners got to be included in an update?
That would have been a great idea!
It could have led to backlash if there wasn't some other reward. It would be like them copying a mod exactly and releasing it as a pack. Profiting off work of people who weren't compensated.
You should reach out to EA, they are consulting people in the community (Plumbella & Spring Sims) about this. You are an expert on Sims lore & appearance from previous games and your input would be valued.
I appreciate that Crystal! I am not a Gamechanger and never will be due to my criticism of the game. So, they unfortunately will not take any advice from me.
@@PleasantSims you’re just honest and the others suck up and scared to speak their minds most of the time because they could get kicked from game changers. Being overly cheerful and fake about the game is your ticket in and I’m happy you’re not like that.
@@PleasantSims Plumbella criticizes their downfalls all the time and they still let her be a game changer, so you never know until you try.
If they want Cindy's opinion, it's right here! Not like it's a secret and it's not a small channel...
@@MagnumPatrol tell me you’ve never watched plumbella without telling me you’ve never watched plumbella
I think they're putting out the concept art to gauge public reaction before they do something permanent.
What's weird to me is to put out concept art that's not finished? Like, why didn't they change their hair- that was very jarring to see on the concept art. They could've released art both with and without makeup. I'm glad they look more distinctly middle eastern but they did them a disservice by not changing hairstyles, eye colours and makeup.
IIRC Plumbella mentioned that she and another game changer involved in the process made a strong case against the kraft cheese hair, so hopefully they update that too.
I used to make concept art many years ago and if I had ever spat out something as half baked as that I would've had my ass kicked.
Cindy remade the calientes and it looks great.
FakeGamerGirl remade the calientes and it looks great.
Plumbella remade the calientes and it looks great.
I think EA should just copy what others instead of trying to overcomplicate things by doing everything "unique" stop it.
I know right but I also they have been relying on them a lot lately
Honestly, they could just announce a contest for the best Calientes in the community and then let the players vote on them
Plumbella is part of this rework so! One good thing at least
@@sarasmedberg8203 yeah but i think plumb is more focused on the goths.
EA is kinda dramatic for this like concept art is pretty overkill lmao. However, I’m a huge fan of the facial reconstructs. Especially for Bella. She looks so much more like her sims 2 version. Dina really just needs different hair and they very well may change her hair.
I agree! LOL. It was really unnecessary. Just fix them in the game already!
I just wanted to say that The sims devs are a big group.concept art is used to show ideas.the concepts that the art shows has to be approved and tweaked by a bunch of other people before it can go into the game.concept art is a necessary process for character making so the final product doesn’t end up being a mess.i just wanted to say that.the concept art is out now and players are going to criticize it and say what they don’t like or do like in the concept art.and then EA will be able to change it for the better.because imagine if the version we see in the concept art just went into the game without any other fixes.
At least I hope they take criticism and make changes to the characters before putting them in the game because then it would be a hassle to change them again
@@othello5160 but that can all happen at their job and doesn’t need to be public by any means 🤦🏻♀️
@@othello5160 they KNOW what we want. they KNOW WHAT SIMS 2 LOOKS LIKE LOL
I always thought of the Caliente sisters from sims 2 to be scheming, conniving trouble makers but were ultra attractive. We have Dina who is a professional gold digger (she has married twice for wealth) and Nina who is ready to seduce the entire neighbourhood but is in love with Don. They are nice at their core, but I could always imagine Dina being a bit materialistic and shallow, and Nina to be looking for love in the wrong places.
Sims 4 Caliente sisters are just a mess and look and feel nothing like the original!
That said, the Caliente sisters are my favourite pre made sims
I agree. This is so disappointing so far. Mortimer looks better but he never looked that bad anyway. But again, I don’t understand why they’re making this such a big deal and all about looks (it was never all about looks anyway). It was literally a matter of fixing their skintones and adding actual Lore. And I think they’re forgetting about the second part and focusing too much on the “looks” part which was never an issue except for the skintones. I think this is a classic the sims 4 move: they start a fire by half assing a feature (or in this case, premades) and then want a medal for putting it out 7 years later…and what’s worse on this case they’re not even putting it out properly
It's just too little, too late. If they care about retaining the lore and stories of the older games, then just show us in the next game (or remaster/rerelease the old ones). The Sims 4 developers seem to be obsessed with giving simmers little tidbits of fanservice to "show they care" despite not actually doing much.
Yeah, it's all purely performative at the end of the day 🤷♀
I think it was confirmed that these were actually drawings, and it leaves this (for me) uncanny valley feeling, I’m assuming why some of them look lifeless, it’s because it’s a drawing rather than the in-game CAS. Though it does make me wonder why they’d draw it if they have a great tool right in front of them that would give them a more accurate picture of their ideas. Another reason I think the pictures look off is because it’s trying to put more accurate facial features in the drawings that aren’t possible in CAS, obviously trying to make the faces themselves more accurate to the structure of their ethnicity, Like Hispanic/middle-eastern for the Calientes and for Bella (I’m not sure what her original ethnicity is so I’d have to look into that)
Also I think it’s worth mentioning that these are all without makeup, which Bella and the Calientes are covered with, so that might be another reason it looks worse than before
Yeah, I can't understand why this was even necessary. They should have just fixed them in CAS. Seems weird to release these drawings!
I think what they did is, they drew the face. And, then took the hair and, placed it over the drawing.
I think that’s why it looks unfinished, weird, and, blurry in the face. I don’t understand why they didn’t do it in cas 🤦♀️
Like, whyyy?? It looks so bad 😟
The whole reason they didn't do it in CAS directly is to get everyone in the pre-mades-update team to be on the same page before going into CAS, because if they create the sims in CAS directly they won't be able to create new pre-sets of eyes, noses etc or new facial details, hair colours etc, while if they make concept art they'll see much easier if there's anything they need to add. For example they mentioned on the stream that Dina will probably get a hair colour that doesn't exist yet, and one of the SimGurus mentioned on Twitter that Mortimer will get facial details that don't exist yet.
@@SqueamishNerd these ppl dont understand game dev lok
*lol
The Caliente sisters and Bella Goth’s concepts look old, raggedy and washed up
I agree! There's something about the skin tones that just look so dull and strange. But that will most likely be fixed before it's done. At least I hope!
That's because it's literal art for some reason. Digital pen on digital paper. Not in game models. But why did they do art in the first place? That's where my insight ends.
Yeah, wouldn't it have been easier and faster to use the in game CAS instead?
Seven years later and there are still no playable cars, create-a-style or the ability to add/install custom worlds.
I mean no disrespect to those involved in making these face redesign concepts, but this feels like so much hype for such a small change.
The amount of time and overcomplication that has gone into them overhauling a handful of sims has made me understand how the Sims 4 is still so lacking all these years later. They can't get anything done without it being a huge timesink, and I have no idea why. They have the reference sims, they have a game that has powerful character creation tools, and a huge company full of staff who could each spend half an hour remaking one of the sims and have it done in a day or two. With the amount of hype and time they're putting into this I'd at least expect the sims to be near perfect replicas of their reference sims, but yet they changed basic facial features like eye color and eyebrow color when the whole point of this "refresh" was to fix the lore. And I have a funny sims 4 feeling that despite all the excessive time and resources going into this simple task, when they release the update Nina and Dina's personalities will still be backwards since all the sims 4 team seems to care about is aesthetics and not gameplay. I'm honestly exhausted with the sims 4 as a whole.
Agreed, what a stupid way to do it. Ridiculous.
I love some ugly Sims but the Calientes are supposed to be the hot ones. Don't make them look like randomised townies, EA!
I really don’t understand why they didn’t change Nina and Dina facial structures.
Bruh, they are the descendants of an *alien* , you can VERY clearly see that in the sims 2, because their facial structures are unique and can even be a little funky at times (it’s better not to watch Nina kissing someone when she’s an elder, her teeth stick out of her cheek), but in the sims 4…they just look like regular people.
Tbh, aliens weren't a thing in the Sims 4 base game at all, that's probably why they revisioned everyone to exclude them.
Also the Sims 2 and its different console variations had a huge alien theme going on. Aliens were basically at the center of the Sims 2 base game, minus Veronaville (which was an outsider anyways).
The concept art is just awful. I already deleted all the classic sims and remade them on my own. Plus adding other classic sims from 1,2,and 3 to my sims game.
I did the same!
Without someone telling me who these sims were or who they look like. I would never think Dina and Nina Caliente, even with the new concept art.
Same! That's really sad!!
Unfortunately it’s a continuation of things like this, missing and lack of lore, half assed crap from EA to make seem like they’re doing something for old players, money grabs and very, very watered down overall gameplay that really prevents me from playing the Sims 4. Especially knowing how good we have it in The Sims 2&3.
Whyyyyyy. There are hundreds of videos of people recreating the Calientes and the Goths. Watch, listen and DO WHATTHE PLAYERS WANT!
I couldn't agree more! This is a weird way to do things. Lol
i burst out laughing at the concept art reveal of the Caliente sisters.
Sweet Jesus that's awful
One thing I think should be pointed out is that they do need to concept. Like you said Cindy, there are hundreds of different interpretations of the Calientes in the Sims 4, based on their original appearances. 2 desiners could create two totally different interpretations. They need to make sure they know what look they actually are going to go for before they make the characters.
That said it was a mistake to show these publically. They should have been internal only and used the new completed characters in a future livestream.
These are the tidbits you put in an artbook after the finished product is released.
I think that's a great point Holly! They should not have released these. They only confuse people and make it look worse than it will be in the end.
these concepts are worthless tho. why didn't they just make actual concept sims and then see if the playerbase liked them? create a sim exists for a reason. i want to see concepts of what they will really look like. they could have made like 4 create a sim "concepts" of the girls and then made it a community poll, for example.
my cynical take is that they released these way too early in the process bc they wanted the credit tbh. "look, we're doing something!"
Agreed with everything. The only reason I can think of them doing concept art instead of implementing the changes directly is that maybe they want to add some new CAS assets for them so they're doing concepts to avoid doing too much work but still...why?!
That's a good point if that's the case!
That's something they mentioned on the stream (both when talking about the Caliente's eye colour and when talking about Dina's hair colour) and on Twitter (talking about Mortimer's facial details).
I think the reason for the concept art is because they've "recruited" some Game Changers to give feedback. Why screenshots wouldn't suffice I don't know....
From what I recall though they are looking at adding some new assets to add:
-New hair for Bella
-New moustache for Mortimer
-New eye colour for Dina
-New hair colour for Nina
It does feel a roundabout way to do this. But hopefully they can utilise the patch updates and anything news they will install for lore which competes with Sims 2....
I overall really like this, remember this is without real lighting and CC. I like that the faces are less wide- I feel like that was an issue base game. I also just am so glad at the fix of whitewashing. I love the Calientes’ personally, wish Nina and Dina’s faces were a little longer and kept eye colors, but I like the strong features. So much better.
Yes, I agree! The chubby faces just didn't suit them at all and I'm also glad they're fixing the skin tones!
Also the calientes have a bit of a "alien" face shape in sims 2 being long and thin with upswept eyes
Wel EACant use CC
@@itamarmedeirosnetto I hope they bring the “alien” faces back. Remember they do have alien ancestry.
I feel like an artist from The Sims Mobile may have had a hand at Nina and Dina's concept art, the sims just look so similar! especially in the eyes
They are actually working with Simmers to overhaul the Calientes and Goths, so they are not only changing their appearences but also lore, i.e. personalities! I think that's quite cool and admirable. I don't mind we are getting this overhaul this late, it was probably very low on the priority list and now they seem to be listening a lot more to the community and fixing a lot of things ... or at least trying. I do however agree, the concept art gives me the creeps ...
Nah, they should have had this stuff corrected before the base game came out years ago. Zero excuses.
I DO like that the faces are narrower - and the faces are fine! It's just the skin tone that's really ... souless and lifeless. It needs to be warmer. They look like me when I wake up in the morning. LMAO!
That skin tone is really making it look bad - especially in combination with the cheese hair on Dina! I wish they would not have released this "art" and just fixed them! Lol
All of the new concepts were drawn over the CAS assets, I'm not sure what program they used
I thought so! You can tell it isn't done in CAS yet. But I find it very odd that they would do that to begin with, which I guess is my whole point. Lol
This!! I definitely agree, I have no doubt in my mind that’s what they did. Maybe they used photoshop or something like that..? I understand hair is hard to draw but, if they were going to use shortcuts why not just do it in CAS??
@@fluttershy6583 seriously, if I have the choice between handdrawing something and just using the dang CAS... just why? Why is EA being so extra?
@@birdgirl8390 Because some of the facial assets don't exist in-game yet and so it's common for people to do hand-drawn concepts before imputing it into the game to get feedback. That's why it's called a concept
Why concept art seems pretty intuitive to me it's useful for internal communication.
The better question imo is Why are they sharing/advertising the concept art
for pats on the back tbh
I’m really upset with the concept of the sisters. Like, they’re part alien and they got rid of their iconic bright green eyes. Maybe because TS4 an alternate “universe”?
I really hope they give them the green eyes back and this "concept" is just more about facial structure. I guess we'll find out!
Since they asked Plumbella to help with the design and she already made a video on it so I have some faith
You're such a respectful and nice person.
Also, you are looking awesome and healthy and your hair is becoming more and more beautiful.
I'm proud and I hope you are feeling as good as it seems❤
Thank you!!
I might be late to the party, but I can try to explain some things that you probably don't know yet.
These are literal paintings, they are drawing over their faces, you can even see that Nina's face doesn't even line up.
I think that they are doing these way and creating concept arts because they are going to redo the Lore, so it might explain why they look a bit off (more than it should considering the first thing I've said. (I might be wrong and there's nothing to do with the new Lore)
Also, they are using the help of some simmers to recreate them, Plumbella did a video talking about how she's helping recreating the Goths and she said that they didn't even had hair, they probably just put the old hair just because nobody was gonna recognize them, also shevconfirmed that it was weird because it wasn't CAS.
So, TLDR: these are just paintings, and they look off probably because it's going to match somehow with their lore, and the hair was just because originally they didn't even had hairs, was just their face, it's just place holders .
Edit: Unpopular Opinion... The only Caliente I like is Katrina. Because she's new, she didn't existed before, I like her e.e
Wow that's an extremely unpopular opinion lol. I love Nina's new design!
If I had to guess WHY they put out concept art instead of just going ahead and doing the changes in game, it would be to build excitement for the updates and to potentially earn some brownie points in the process. Plus it keeps us talking about the game in the interim period until the next pack. This is all in addition to the whole bureaucratic process of communicating ideas between design teams and management yadda yadda
tbh I'm tired of this "bad publicity is good publicity" mentality. This is real life, this is the real world and not some high school bs.
I always thought Dina and Nina had green eyes as a little nod to their alien ancestors.
These are drawings, indeed, not pictures from the game - I think they've mentioned it on the stream.
Concept art is not unusual. It's easier to pass around, mark up, and exhibit during a meeting. They were also involving game changers in the process so made more sense to just email them them the concept art.
I agree that concept art is good and useful, but I don't understand why they need a concept for THESE Sims in particular. We already have a concept for them - The Sims 2 version. It just seems so unnecessary to me.
@@PleasantSims They are doing it this way because they may want to make drastic changes to these Sims and it's easier for everyone to share and discuss if it is on a concept.board. .
@@Cyberlucy Thank you for explaining this, I have no idea why people can’t wrap their minds around such a simple concept.
Why don't they just do it in CAS then? The pictures are clearly edited on a painting program and that's extremely unnecessary.
@@5mania5 I'd like to believe they intend to add new features/assets to CAS after they finish the redesign. Maybe they'll add more wrinkles or update the ones we have, new preset eyes, moles and beauty marks, etc.
make no sense making concepts in photoshop when they can easily change they in game.... looks like the are trying to complicate something that should be simple.
I agree!! It's such a strange approach!
@@PleasantSims I thin it is to look like they put more effort than they actually did
Finally a UA-camr with an honest opinion on this abomination they call “overhaul”
one of the huge problems here is because the dark skintones in the Sims 4 all look SOOOOO GREY....
They are awful!! It does no good to have a million skin tones if only a handful of them are usable!
@@PleasantSims exactly!!!! this is honestly one of the huge reasons i almost never play Sims 4.... most of my Sims are dark-skinned and with the skins in 4, they all look like vampires or something!!!
From an artist standpoint, I create concept art to try and get my idea out of my head and onto paper to sort of bring life to my idea/character. With that being said, I agree that it makes no sense for them to create concept art when they can just go in and change them to how they're supposed to look. They're just wasting time by creating concept art for characters that already exist.
Well if they did a 30 makeover then those refreshed sims would only go to the gallery. I saw plumbella's video about her experience in this and sounds like they are trying to fix the lore too. so that means they need to basically fix all the files of the preset sims in the neighborhoods involved(the ones that create the sims when you start a new game). And also I don't think their goal is to just copy the sims 2 version of the characters. This seems to be a test to see how the community reacts. And I totally understand that. I hope they make good changes. And one last thing .. when simmers refresh townies we do it to please ourselves. They have to go through concept art and all that because they have to aim to please most people.
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Honestly I feel like the core issue is that the team of people on ts4 is not the team that worked on ts2. That in and of itself is not an issue, but when players are looking for continuity, and you have a team of people who don’t know the intricate details of the previous games, you won’t have that continuity. These two games are basically entirely separate. The games cater towards different audiences and they seem to have different goals. I also agree that the idea of concept art for something that already exists is silly.
EA just needs to let Sims 4 die and start again 😩. Thankfully The Sims 2 exists!
I definitely understand where you’re coming from with the concept art issue, though as someone who is currently doing a whole lot of research for animation, illustrations, 3d models, etc. for future colleges, I feel like I can understand it more! There’s a lot of things that go into these and while I’m definitely not the best person to explain this (I honestly don’t completely know how to), I think because of planning and how big the game is, concept art is more necessary; just how for most professional projects (even projects based on something else) concept art is important. These take a lot of work and you really need to plan out the models; not just to make everyone happy, but to also test how they’ll interact with the world around them. It may not seem like it would affect much, but it does. Though like I said, I can definitely see where you’re coming from and I somewhat agree; it’s just a more internal thing that people in the industry can understand and explain better than me, if that makes sense?
John Smith under Cindy’s comment definitely explains it better than me and in less words lol
there is literally no reason for them to show people "concept" art. they shouldve kept this in the drafts in the company lmfao
One thing about Nina and Dina that I miss is that they had a long faces, green eyes, somewhat smaller noises because they originated from aliens. But that interesting bonus went into the bin like so many good concepts from previous games did.
They need to not use the cheese hair it looks ridiculous when there are so many better blondes in the game when I play i alwys change that
I agree! I never use that color. It's really bad!
Concept art is 100% necessary, because they need a plan to finalize a full idea. They can't just send one person in to change things, because they have a chain of command to answer to, and everyone has their own different interpretation of how the characters look. They have to plan things beforehand, get approval from the higherups, and have a general consensus about how the original characters will be translated into the Sims 4. Treating things casually wouldn't be appropriate in dealing with how bad they messed up, and it wouldn't work in a studio environment where everyone has a boss to answer to, and something like a concept art is a physical manifestation of work completed.
It's also good for them and us to release a concept art to the public, so they can test out our reaction to the changes they think will fix the designs. If we all hate the concept art, then they know it's time to go back to the drawing board. As an individual you have the freedom and ability to do whatever you want however you wish. You ultimately only answer to yourself. You wouldn't need to make something like a concept art generally, unless you were really invested in creating the exact perfect designs for sims, because you can just stop fiddling when you're satisfied. They have to answer to someone else, so stopping when they thing something is perfect may result in them getting told it's actually horrible and to redo it. Concept art should save time, so they can get approval and only do it once.
I feel like they only need the concept art because they're so bloody inept. Like how do you mess up that badly with the Calientes?
why not just change it in cas, screenshot, and use that instead of concept art? that would be faster
@@disaster4550 As someone who works in Photoshop for my job, this statement is incorrect. It's way more time-efficient to fire off multiple visual concepts like this in Photoshop than it is to mess around in CAS in the early stages. The idea is that the concept artist creates at least 10 - 15 of these types of portraits to show to the art director, who then approves the final concept to the team for producing the final 3D asset. Multiply that by at least 4 Sims they have shown us they're redesigning, and that is 40 - 60 of these portraits behind the scenes. We're only seeing probably a small fraction of the work the concept artist executed, and that doesn't even include multiple iterations they probably had to do based on initial feedback from the art director.
@@porcupinester i work in ps too and really don't see how drawing full 15 concepts could be faster than just making the same 15 variations in game 😭 its just easier imo? mb im wrong and it's just me..
For Dina and Nina they definitely look more Arabic, they didn’t look like that in sims 2. To me they look good I like the change doesn’t bother me that the looks don’t match previous games. I care more about personality and relationships and the drama.
To me it seems like the Sims team is trying to analyse the reactions from the community, otherwise they wouldn't reveal unfinished concept art.
Also as others have already pointed out: Concept art is a communication tool that makes it easier to toss little bits of work between different parts of the team to get feedback.
Imagine spending like an hour in CAS just to have your boss tell you that it sucks and you need to start over lol. Doing it like that would be a waste of time, so they show sketches instead and ask for feedback before they proceed into the next design phase.
They also had briefings with youtubers like Plumbella for additional feedback. I think they are trying to find out what exactly the community would be most happy with, which is the reason for this sneak peek. At least a good design team would evaluate community reactions lol.
Seems like they don't want to make a redesign of Nina and Dina from TS2 but instead they might be aiming for improved versions which take the heritage and stuff into account.
I agree with you about concept art. It's good and useful for game development. But it feels very unnecessary to me for these particular Sims. All anyone wants is for them to be the same as their Sims 2 versions - or at least close. They didn't need concept art to create the Calientes in The Sims 3, and they don't need it now. Someone just needs to do it. IMO, they're making this way over-complicated. By trying to please everyone, they please no one.
@@PleasantSims I agree that this kind of thing should not take several days of work. At least it shouldn't if they were intending to just recreate TS2 characters.
My best guess as a professional designer is that they probably have a design team of at least 5 people involved and they were probably not agreeing over what to do exactly. There're probably some designers who just wanted to do their best at doing a recreation of TS2 Dina & Nina.
Then there's probably also people in the team who envision a "new" version of them, different from the original. And maybe this concept art was them trying to make a compromise between each other.
I can also imagine that some marketing people are contributing to some design choices and in my experience the PR-Team tends to push forced agendas and "woke" ideas into concepts sometimes because they think it would sell better to the crowd. Their target audience include young players too, who have never played or cared for TS2 (saying this breaks my nostalgic heart lol).
Believe me, working on design projects together with marketing people is often a very frustrating process haha. You sit there and want to put your passion into your work and then some supervisor from EA comes along and says: "No, don't do that. Please do what I want. It will sell better, trust me."
it's not about beauty, we can point out that nina and dina don't resemble the key features thay had in sims 2. like sure, the new concepts of these two female sims look attractive, they look pretty, but they are not dina and nina. Nina and Dina have long thin faces, they have signature hairstyles, make up, and certain characteristics in their pesonality. Like Nina is sporty, Dina is a womanboss. You did a great job in your savefile, as did all the other players who love sims 2
4:42 its concept art, they are taking the apereance that would look good as a model, as you can see thats not even the lip texture they use, its just a base. And i think she looks very attractive regardless the very 3d uncanniness
I find this overhaul a little confusing. I like Mortimer and Bella, but the Caliente sisters are just a bit confusing. I agree that the whitewashing (and the cheese hair!) needed to be fixed, but the skintone they have in the concept art is...grey? Like it looks like one of the really dodgy cool toned sims 4 skins that I only use on vampires. Maybe it is just because it is a concept art and not in game though.
I hope so!
Plumbella made a video saying she and another simmer worked on the revamp with the sims team, I'm guessing they're trying to get a feel from the rest of the community and make sure everyone else likes their idea's for them so far?
They obviously need to leave the eyes alone. The sisters have an eye color that matches and they need to leave that alone. They did talk, on the livestream about potentially changing the hair styles for them. I don’t recall if they mentioned the hair color or not, but they did mention maybe changing the hair styles.
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Today I turned Cassandra Goth into an actual goth. Yeah I used cc, but she looks a lot better now. I heard the Goth family is suppused to be inspired from the Adams family, I can imagine her acting like Wendsday xD
And I didn´t know how the Caliente sisters used to look, since I only have Sims 4. It looks so different, I didn´t recognise them
I always imagined her like Wednesday too!
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I always thought the caliente sister where some black fishing women. This would explain their facial features in the Sims 2 and 3. They're supposed to be brown but look like white women but tan?
That would also explain why they're suddenly white. As if they've grown out of their tan phase.
But hearing their backstory with the name and heritage, this make over makes more sense. They look latina. With features i saw on my Colombian (south America) neighbours. And that their hair is obv coloured, therefore having dark eyebrows.
Their mom in sims 2 had an Arabic last name so it could be in reference to that…
Seems like a long process but I'm glad that they're putting in effort. Sims2 did not have the CAS tools available in Sims4 so I'm glad their are taking the opportunity to showcase their ethnicity more. The sims2 seemed to have a very narrow barbiesque view of beauty when you look at the premade women
Others have already explained the concept art thing but It's also because they spoke with a few simmers like plumbella and showed that art to them and included that feedback as well. Plumbella mentioned giving a lot of feedback on lore changes they should add and stuff about their personalities ect as well and I think they're showing the concept art to see what feedback the community as a whole has as well beofre it gets finalised. Also concept art means if they need to they can create new items if they need to even though I don't think they will.
I actually like all of the faces. They look less... Cartoony. But I think it's just not Dina and Nina. I would prefer this characters to be named differently and to simply exist on their own with their own lore.
your hair looks so nice
Also it's like they forgot Dina and Nina are TWINS. Like the twins that look very alike but aren't identical. Not understanding why they're changing their eye colour when they've always had the eye colour they've had? I mean it's whatever but if doing their eyes over they should have tired to make them look slightly alien as their alien heritage is why their sims 2 counterparts had the slight shape to their eyes that they did?
Maybe they're trying to be "modern" by making characters less "conventionally hot".
But Bella Goth and the Caliente sisters are probably the worst place to do this?! They're all _famous_ for being especially attractive!
Story progression, lore continuity and character depth is all I'm for
I also wish they’d get rid of Katrina. The caliente’s mother is Nighat!!!
Nina and Dina look like Sims 1 characters in the concept art
Oo they're adding zombies 😻 purrr
i don't even like to play sims 4 anymore, but everytime i remember how the caliente twins look like i want to download the game again just to fix that lmao
Cindy’s face on the thumbnail so accurately represents how we, sims fans with TASTE feel about this “overhaul”.
Edit: omg Dina’s new concept art makes it look like she’s been dug up from the bayou 💀
I quite like the Bella Goth concept art - I can see it as incorporating how she looked in the Sims 1 into the mix, with a bit more of a severe look.
They couldn’t even be bothered to cover up the rest of Dina’s shirt strap in the “new concept” lol
I dont understand whats taking so long, a lot of simmers have already made both better representation in the ”alternative universe” neighborhoods, as well as continued story line type of neighborhood. Why not just collaborate with them, done deal signed
I would’ve understood concept art if they were giving them completely new hair styles eyebrows and other things not in the game already. But they could’ve just made them look like their old sims 2 selves in game or whatever lol.
I think that they needed the concept art because they were probably going back and forth with making them exactly like sims 2, like their sims 2 verisons but better, or a more accurate look to their heritage. I think direct translations from sims 2 to sims 4 look super weird, like with your version of them where their eyes are on their forehead and their faces are super super long
Honestly, I think that some people just do not have a task in the team and try to show that they are working on something. I think that would they release the concept of the SIMS 5 there would be less negative comments. Hey, EA, give this team a task to do concept of stories for the SIMS 5! Or, if do not know what to do-find people who make mods and give them cart Blanche for ideas and brainstorming. Sorry, I decided to write that here cause it is such a pain.
I think it's good that they're fixing these sims and I am hopeful that the finished product will be better than the concept art, BUT I'm a bit disappointed that they didn't at least do the entire households of the sims they selected. Alexander Goth is alright but I think Cassandra could've used a makeover too, and DAMN do I wish they would've taken the big step of changing "Katrina Caliente" into the ACTUAL CANONICAL MOTHER OF THE SISTERS! What was the purpose of giving them a completely different mother???
I agree. Just make Katrina an aunt or something if they have to keep her, but she shouldn't exist in the first place.
The Sims 4 team is literally me avoiding doing my chores but also doing tiny bits of them and showing everyone so I don't look too lazy.
I've fixed the entire caliente household and added some new characters
This is unrelated, but I think the short hair with the bangs haircut (on your website) looks super cute on you.
Omg girl look at that hair growth 😍
I remember they talked about considering adding new cas item for the sims like new mustache for Mortimer or new hairstyles for the Caliente sisters (which they didn't show or have in the concept...)
I hope that's what the concept art is for. At least that would make sense! But like you said, they didn't show any of that, so I'm not sure what the point of this was.
They're doing those concept designs because they're trying to make it more polish in the end, I also don't know about how character designing process but I'm pretty sure it's really necessary.
And also, they're making a huge change when it comes to the lore itself but you can't really just rush it.
Because if they did it (when they rush about everything), I'm pretty sure the Sims community would brash about how it was done so quickly and this looks wrong and this and that.
I think the reason for the concept art is so that they can get community feedback before finalizing them.
The concept art is mainly for us to get a taste of what they look like now but i think they done this to gage our reaction so they could tweek them to suit our preferences since we grew up with them
I know this isn't related but your hair looks so beautiful!!
They did say that they will edit some of the base game hairs that’s these sims have so that’s a plus.
It's neat seeing the progression of me and Cindy's hairstyles. I'm rocking a very similar hair to yours right now and I feel like a lil baby Cindy :)
I can see why you're so upset when you didn't watch the stream. For example, they said that they were still discussing the eye colours of Nina and Dina, because even though their eyes were green in previous games they're also half Arab and half Spanish, and therefore they will maybe, just maybe, get darker eyes. There wasn't a consensus on that. They also said that Dina will get another blonde hair colour than the golden blonde one, and they hinted at probably adding a new blonde hair colour into the game.
The reason they need concept art is to see if there is anything they have to add to CAS before starting to create these sims, this could be anything, like new eye presets, new hair colours, new facial details, new clothes, and so on. One SimGuru (I don't remember who) said on Twitter that they'll probably add some new facial details because of the concept art for Mortimer. In the stream they also hinted at adding a new blonde hair colour, which would be Dina's new hair colour.
I just feel like developers want to make players angry, they have the power to do that and they enjoy it 😅
Can they seriously not just go look how these sims were in Sims 2? Where we first fell in love with them? and make them actually look similar? It’s not hard
So after reading some of the comments explaining the reason behind concept art I’ll accept the process and why it was made. However, I think them showing it in the way they did was not great. They were trying to be more transparent which is good but… I think holding off and having the finalized Sims to show at the same time would have been better. Like discussed their process of using the concept art, the meetings, show the concepts then the reveal. Would’ve been a lot cooler and still transparent for fans.