This FREE Plugin Could Change EVERYTHING - Neural Amp Modeler
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2023
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The world of digital guitar right now seems to be trending in the direction of "Profiling" or "Capturing" - the advent of Neural Amp Modeler - Steve Atkinson's FREE plugin has seen the price of profiling/capture plummet from the £1600 of Kemper/Neural DSP - through the £400 of ToneX - straight to £0 - meaning that things could change pretty quickly!
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One interesting fact about NAM: it's released under the "MIT" open source license, which is considered to be very business friendly. That means anybody can use the software, modify as pleased, incorporate it into their own software, sell it and make profit of it. So nothing would for example stop Line6 to add the NAM technology to the Helix line of products tomorrow.
i'm hoping for a standardized profile file type.
Yep, when it's done right open source helps the economy.
One big company is already working on it :)
Will old Sharc DSP handle that?
So- I'm a guitarist and consider myself pretty up-to-date on all the new modeling lexicon and nomenclature, but I'm a little lost here. Can you paraphrase this with a bit more simple terminology?
It did. Not even a joke, probably some of the best sounds I've ever heard from you in over 4 years on UA-cam.
Open source firmware for existing hardware will be the modeller killer. It will totally change the game.
But we still need somebody to make a modeller to run the firmware. Preferably a standartized modeller wich can be compatiable NAM captures/plugins/e.t.
Warning: The ToneHive is an UNOFFICIAL site for sharing the tones.
facebook.com/groups/5669559883092788 - official Facebook group
tonehunt.mailchimpsites.com/ - official Discord Server
A website will be launching soon.
Things are moving quickly here. About a month or so ago I was quite excited that Capture/Profile tech was now available in plugin form with ToneX, meaning it was more affordable than ever before.
NAM has made some quick advances in the last week even, that mean that this FREE Capture/Profile plugin means there's NO barrier to entry for folks wanting to get in on this Capture/Profiling game.
It feels like potentially what was once a USP for various companies is now becoming super commonplace....
The Mezzabarba Trinity capture is beserk
To clarify, this website is not the official website and Steve (NAM creator) has asked any initiatives towards creating model sharing sites to make that very clear. It just so happens that this person owns that domain.
Thanks for the information Scott - will adjust that
@@johnnathancordy Thanks John! Classy as always!
Are you aware of any official source for info other than the GitHub for folks?
Pin this please. I thought tonehive was official.
Thank you. I've been using this for 3 days and I'm half asleep in shock. it's super cool. I feel the guitar and amplifier. this is the bomb for me
John, I just noticed as you were wailing away during the in-DAW demo that you had a lot more top end than you normally do using a lead tone. You sounded GREAT! Keep it up!
I think the most annoying part about Neural is the way they are responding to their customers at this point, even in a simple thread in their support page. Yesterday I had a question about adding a midi controller and I went to their website , someone asked a same question and was frustrated that why the manual is not explaining about it then some one from Neural came back to him with FULL of ego, like in a rude way that why you are disrespecting the company and everybody is working hard in their company😅 then they blocked the guy in the thread! I haven't seen such a thing in my life. At least in the west as much as I know companies grow around customers and companies should respect the feedback. We bought a QC we didn't marry your product neural dsp😅
They are...pretty...sensitive to legitimate criticisms from what I've heard.
@@johnnathancordy Hopefully they get it it and change some direction, because this way we are not going anywhere ND☠️ 😅 The more successful their company be the better updates I will get for my device 🤷🏻♂️
This has also been my experience with the company, and why I won't ever purchase from them again.
I had a similar issue in the Neural forum, where I was seeking help from the group because Neural support wasn't responding to my emails. A mod went on, deleted all my messages where I talked about Neural not responding, closed the forum, and then banned me for 24 hours. I went onto The Gear Page to talk about my experience and within 12 hours, my 24-hour ban was extended to my account getting permanently suspended. They really do their best to police bad PR. I wonder, if they spent half the time they spent scrubbing the internet of bad PR on providing the promised options and good support, they might have a decent reputation.
Not cool, you can easily lose brand credibility and customers from poor customer engagement and responses.
Social media is great to rocket people and brands to the top but you can just as easily fall back down.
I always think, everyone should look at feedback from a positive view point. I don’t mean only take the good feedback but learn from the not so good (negative) feedback.
Be open and honest in your reply, if you can’t do something say why and what the plans are to change it if it is in the pipeline.
NAM already is proving to be a cool “tool” in the guitarist’s “toolbox”. Excited to see what tonehive grows into!!
it's seriously, seriously good. i profiled my engl blackmore's default settings, and that's all i would have ever used tonex for: get that thing into my DAW, sandwiched by helix native instances. i have close to zero interest in other people's captures, i'd much rather have models of gear i don't own so i can find my own settings on that gear, but for the gear i own and barely touch the knobs anymore, this basically means i don't have to go to the basement and bother my amps anymore if i want to record them.
It seems to me that a disproportionate amount of captures are lacking quality across the communities, but I'm excited to see how this grows. I like the idea that we aren't beholden to one particular company to trickle out promised updates at their leisure. Instead we benefit from a world of creators continuously working the bugs out. I'll be keeping an eye on this for sure.
KDH video on the Quad Cortex is worth a watch.
Only thing i have ever bought from Neural DSP was the Darkglass Ultra Bass unit and for good reason. Free guitar amp VST can be just as good if you know what you're doing. I bulk them up with some extra plugins to emulate cab thump, air pressure against a microphone and the dynamic volume curve real amps have. It's great fun hearing the results on guitar amp emulations from a very long time ago :D
Tried it last night. I was pretty impressed. Particularly given its free. Only tried with york IRs and basic reverbs haven't thrown overdriven pedals in front of the clean captures yet
Sounds pretty good for free. I have been wrestling with Logic direct sounds for years. I managed to get some great clean blues sounds using the built in Tube EQ, Compressor, Space Designer using stock IR's then 'verb of choice. Any grit added with a Fulltone Fulldrive 2 or Nobel's ODR Mini. I never liked the Logic built in Amplifiers. I like the concept of 'good tone on a budgdet'. The key of course is the pickups for sure. Great channel.
Hey Neil - I think there's a very decent chance that before long there will be some EXCELLENT clean captures from NAM - what is up there so far sounds great - huge potential here I reckon
You are the only UA-camR I expected to cover this plugin. Did not dissapoint.
Leon Todd got there before me! Last time I checked early in the week I wasn't able to find any models for it
@@johnnathancordy Haha awesome!!! Yep Leon went Leroy Jenkins!!! Lol
I think it's the best for now, among those that I have atleast, for clean to crunch vintage sound. Most Amp Sims are heavy distortion focused and not doing really well for at-the-edge-of-the-breakup kinda tone that we all love on vintage tube amps. NAM nailed it somehow IMO.
We are merely at the start of the digital evolution.....it's a great part of history to witness within the realm of the guitar world.
I like the Full Rigs. This is for me the most honest way of capturing a tone. IRs kinda add foreign post amp colouring. If someone captures a whole rig, this is actually what you would end up in a studio and you can EQ it only in post. There is nothing wrong with that at all if the capture was optimal, maybe with a TS in front and real sweet spot mic placement. I like how easy it becomes. These Meshuggah rigs are sick, for example for Rhythm tone. If someone figured it out in his home studio, I can exactly replicate that and that saves so much time. Everyone has to find out for him/herself.
oh my God... how can something like this exist.. I am blown away... I don't see why anyone would need anything more than this apart from some experimental stuff....
Thanks for pointing and posting this. Now try and do a JC Boggie capture clean, rhythm and lead tone. That would make a great series of videos and would allow an update later when it improves.
Thanks.
To be clear, NAM, nor Tonex, model a tone stack and probably also the Quad Cortex. The EQ controls seen, are post amp profile meant as active studio EQ for cuts and boosts which offer quick tone shaping but not any specific amp tone stack. Tonex has a lot of pretty graphics that would allude to it being having control for an actual amp's gain/tonestack EQ knobs, but they are all just static captures of an amp's state. I have no idea what the Kemper does in that regard, but its probably just added pre and post DSP offered by the Kemper unit.
Interesting stuff, thanks John. Great time for us guitar players!
Seems to be a bit CPU hungry compared to other modellers/profilers (wouldn't normally check but I was today comparing the various options for a friend with a lower spec PC).
you can adjust how heavy the profile will be in the profiling process. i haven't tested how different it sounds cause i have no need, but try profiles with the "feather" prefix.
For years - I fumbled around and tried out inexpensive amp modeling, Bias FX, Amplitube, Thu, etc. Never getting a satisfactory tone. I decided I was going to spend some money and get a proper setup. Was considering Kemper, Helix, and decide to go with Quad Cortex. I use it almost daily, and couldn’t be happier. I have had a microphone with 2 guitars hooked up to it, used it as a computer interface with my iPad to create a monster looper with Loopy Pro, and can geek out learning how to shape guitar tones and experiment. It does so much and is a joy to use, and it is beautiful on my desk when not in use.
This sounds as good as devices you currently pay thousands for.
ua-cam.com/video/nBS2JlCypQ8/v-deo.html it sounds closer than even tonex does. and tonex was already at the point of "who even cares anymore"
Better, honestly
game changer kills kemper
I simply cannot believe that one guy invested so much time in developing this great VST and gives it outcome as a present to the musician’s community!
The tones are on par with other top VSTs!
I definitely got the Amp-in-a-room feeling from listening to the samples!
Dude that intro was sick. Loved the leads.
I agree, Yamaha should pay out/hire this fellow and put it in their next helix!
It sounded fantastic. Are there any latency issues when playing in real time?
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Great video!Could you test also the new plug in called AIDA-X? Also free and they have the option to add it in the MOD Dwarf pedal. It is a game changer for me!
very exciting, but unfortunately the standalone Neural amp modeler doesn't work for me, and can't fix the problem. keeps crashing if i try changing any settings.
Sure not understanding how to get the sounds into the plugin ? Any help is appreciated . Thank you !
really love my Neural DSP plugins but this Neural plugin is prety good.
I think the ideal situation is that a foundation forms around one particular open source project that is backed by major players in the same way the linux foundation is backed by microsoft and apple. That way everyone benefits and has a stake in advancing the protocol.
I wish there was a Hardware unit to load Neural Amp Modeier amp profiles into?
In fact you can ask your favorite brand to have a nam loader inside their devices as it’s an open source licence, everybody can use it (a lot of people are working on it but still worth asking support to accelerate the move)
You get it to run as a VST in your daw... If you can set that up. You are away... It's fun as.
Does the software have to be connected to the internet? My sound computer is disconnected.
That combination is not bad at all and if all that comes free of charges that's a serious threat for the old guys ....
I've tried 4 or 5 tones downloaded from ToneHive in the meanwhile and ...guys they're really all super decent and up to those offered by others if not better. For the IR I used the Ignite - Libra and that's an excellent combination. Really worth of consideration even if one has no amp to "profile" and simply takes advantage of those of other. Great fun ahead indeed.
Surprised someone hasn’t spun up a pedal yet. Seems simple enough. I’m not losing sleep over companies that made prohibitively expensive pedals, fuck em.
Definitely a win for guitarists.
Im not familiar with amp sim stuff. I downloaded it, and found some amp models, but its asking me for an IR and I have no idea where to get those.. the tutorial I was following had a huge list of models but didn't mention IR at all
John's a maestro, I'm just a three-chord wonder. John probably grasps all the infinite complexities of sound, so a Kemper is made for him - it's probably utterly wasted on my leaden ear'oles
Also seems like we're not too far away from let's say.."Guitar GPT" 😅 where you type in....makee a tone of Guthrie Govan through a Celestian V30 with a bit of delay and reverb in the mix....
And kaboom....it makes you a "tone " 😅
Imagine eh??
i watched that yesterday evening - kinda bonkers that he didn't really have to go over the top about it to make it look pretty.....not great
I thought the main reason for having hardware aside from touring is to take the load off the computer and into its own device.
I think in general the load on computers is no longer much of a concern for a machine with modern specs - the perfect scenario is - I believe - something like Helix Native/Helix where you can have both the hardware and plugin form - or ToneX.
@@johnnathancordy Possible. My computer is about 7 years old now and I notice when I load a lot of VSTs into the DAW, it'll start clipping. I'm not using a Mac with the new CPUs they have that might allow for larger numbers of VSTs.
Hi fellows, is it possible to install NAM on a compact PC like Ruspberry Pi or something similar?
I believe this has been done
@@johnnathancordy Yes, there's a video somewhere with a small example.
There's a alternative: GuitarML , they have a neural pi solution to run on a raspberry pi. Also they offer a great less Ressource hungry solution for a vst and standalone like nam. Called Proteus
Apparently the Tonehive page is gone...
So- the NAM, MIT situation; I'm a guitarist and consider myself pretty up-to-date on all the new modeling lexicon and nomenclature, but I'm a little lost here. Can you paraphrase this with a bit more simple terminology so folks like me can understand it with a bit more ease? Would be much obliged!
NAM paving the way, pushing forward for all of us with better technology. Finally instead of trying to get rich they improve the world of today
The Tone King Imperial capture I found for NAM sounds AWESOME! It is very CPU intensive though.. quite a lot more than TONEX, and even more than ML Sound Lab Flagship (which is already more CPU intensive than all Neural DSP and Nembrini plugins).
I'll take a look at this, interested to see if that's the same for me. Didn't detect any latency etc so at least on that front it is decent?
@@johnnathancordy Yes, no latency problem whatsoever.. just very taxing on the CPU. For instance, in Studio One Pro 6, i build my own signal chains using many different plugins for stomps/fx/amp/cab/EQ/Stereo widening etc, and when i disable Tonex and enable NAM, CPU usage raises by 8-9%. ML Sound Lab Flagship raises CPU usage by around 5-6%. I’ve been told that CPU usage with NAM is highly influenced by the capture training mode (like the TONEX 3 levels of capture quality). With Tonex, I haven’t noticed a different CPU load relative to the capture i’m using tho..
@@davidmultimedia2024 When training, in order to significantly reduce the cpu cost, instead of 'standard' you can set it to a lighter setting eg. lite / feather.
I’ve been making and sharing captures recently, after having used ToneX for a while. NAM nails the amp feel and sound so closely that the difference is imperceptible. While I liked ToneX, I’d always felt it was missing something, but now it feels like a toy in comparison. Fantastic plugin and the creator Steve is a great guy.
I love the QC but I’m worried they missed their opportunity. It’s odd how long it’s taking them to release a marketplace and a desktop editor. I don’t code so I don’t know the complications, but come on…It’s been years. It feels like these last few months have buried the future of the QC. I’m bummed because I was all team QC from the beginning but I will probably leave it soon because it’s not necessary anymore. Unless they do something soon.
I think captures will eventually die down when amp models start leveraging the digital domain to create new tones that aren't practical or possible in traditional tube amps. S-Gear is a good example of how amp models can have much more tone flexibility than captures. Captures are kind of the fashion of the day, leveraging machine learning to reproduce existing tube amp settings in an accessible way. But that's not going to drive innovation to create new tones that generate fan interest.
Once the NAM files can be turned into IRs that can be loaded into a Modeler, like the HX Stomp, everything changes big time. That solves the hardware/portability part of the equation, and makes NAM a really practical tone capturing solution. 😎
That would be amazing 🤩
I swear I still hear that Metalic Edge of all modelers, but maybe I'm fooling myself. I did buy a HX Stomp XL and my favorite thing is the ability to play with all effects on headphones with minimal latency.
Some of your best soloing in there, I think, JNC. But then I am getting old... ;)
Yes Quad Cortex and Kemper people should be worried, why would i buy any of their over priced stuff? (and it is overpriced, NAM proves it) I already have about 300 NAM profiles, and 99% of these profiles are top quality. What reason would I have for spending money on products I can get for free? and in fact in some cases the captures are actually better.
I have already managed to get profiles that give me my Tube amps in an in the box form which is a god send in UK terraced housing.
Not knocking Kemper or Neural or IK multimedia, their capture software is cool and there is nothing wrong with their units/software, but NAM is as good and has potential to actually be better for capturing, so it s a bit fiddly to use currently? its free FFS. If you are willing to spend 300-1000 just so you dont have to work out some very simple set up issues, then I hope you can afford it.
The hype around Neural DSP stuff in particular is very annoying, Amp plugins running at 100-200 for one amp plugin? I mean that is taking the piss if you ask me, and I don't care how good it is (not as good as my NAM profiles lmao).
Neural DSP, to me is an example of hype and NAM proves that. Its as good if not better , and has much more versatility due to the amount of profiles you can load in. Neural DSP actually make really good stuff too, so as much as there is hype, they make good stuff (and their really is) "dude you have to try neural dsp and see what is possible bro" ...F*ck Off lool
No I have to be smart and use NAM and not pay through the nose to recreate amplifiers I already have or amplifiers I might even never otherwise be able to play. Because when you thin about it, if a company is charging you 200 for an amp plugin , you buy 2 or 3 of these and you might as well go get an Amp. Amp plugins (modelers or amp sim) are convenience tools for in the box recording really and ad hoc practice set ups. Charging 200 for 1 is actually taking the piss.
So part of me is actually glad to see NAM challenge the neural DSP hype.
Because at the end of the day ML Sound lab and Audio Assault make amp plugins for 5-30 each and many of those are good enough to put on official releases, further highlighting what a lot of Hype Neural DSP is, despite it being good quality tools.
This is not even a pop at Neural DSP's amps, they sound great, but the pricing is total BS.
I bet you see their plugins go from 100-200 to something like 30-100 because of NAM
Personally I typically prefer using hardware than vsts for guitar tones specifically. One consideration is latency.
That said, to me NAM accuracy (I've mostly tested direct amp tones without cab/mic in the capture other than obviously the impedance response) seems considerably better than Kemper, for what threshold of improvement Kemper can't touch at least/is left. Better than Quad cortex also, and even tonex, even if by a small margin comparatively.
So for me... Not only is NAM amazing for being "free". But for what I care about, it actually seems to do a considerably better job than all hardware and software alternatives I've tried. The one thing I'm waiting for is some kind of hardware to run captures on.
Please port this to iOS, will pay 😢
Free 99. My kinda price as a hack 😂
I stand by my prediction in 2021. The Quad Cortex will not be around much longer. Neural will attempt to support it but their revenue streams for it will falter in comparison with both its plugins and the competition. They promised and promised and 3 years later there is no evidence of porting the plugs in as they advertised as well as many other features they promised. They bit off way more than they can chew. People will opt for TONEX or NAM for capturing and maybe even now the Headrush Prime. NeuralDSP's business model simply doesn't work. Why give free code upgrades for the QC and spend so much time into the product when they can continue to gain cash hand over fist by selling plugins. If someone has a QC I would sell it yesterday.
Hopefully technology will get so good people will spend more time playing instruments and creating songs instead of chasing the latest tone technology…..
For guitarists the game changes every 15 minutes.
New guitar, new pickups, latest OD pedal, latest Delay pedal, latest digital box, etc etc etc.
And in the end after decades of the exhausting journey, you sound like yourself whatever you plug into!
As usual there's no link to the plugin...
i removed the link since it wasn't official. check github
The Clean sound sounded good, the lead stuff was awful FIZZY.
if you think that's the case, that's just how that amp sounds. here's a null test of NAM ua-cam.com/video/nBS2JlCypQ8/v-deo.html it's stupid accurate.
I think high gain stuff in general tends to illicit comments of fizz - but fizz is 100% there when you stick a mic in front of a high gain amp
@@johnnathancordy I like Smooth singing tones much better.
@@ksharpe10fizzilicious
That's what a high cut is for!
Not but ok
If nam was a stand alone unit, hell yes. But it is not. So no.
It's one side of the equation that NDSP haven't tackled though - being able to run captures in the plugin form is potentially going to reach many more folks than expensive hardware?
@@johnnathancordy not for playing live. In a studio situation of course, that is no question.
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