Neural Amp Modeler vs Mesa/Boogie JP-2C
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2024
- There has been a lot of buzz lately about the Neural Amp Modeler, so I decided to put it to the test by using it to clone my Mesa/Boogie JP2C, and shoot it out against the real amp. All sound samples are unprocessed with no post EQ, and only a hard limiter to increase the final volume. They also use the same York Audio Mesa Rectifier cabinet IR to keep things consistent. You can download my JP2C capture files here: tonehunt.org/Paul.Jacovino/cb...
0:00 Intro
0:14 About the NAM
1:19 Comparison in a mix
2:45 Guitar only comparison
3:40 Closing thoughts
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NO WAY… i am completely speechless… what a time to be alive with open source stuff these days. Thanks for doing this!
Absolutely, thanks for checking it out!
I'm impressed, now I just need my friend to model his original C++ for me 😅
I really really apreciate you did this on E standard. Most reviews nowadays are down tuned and i feel its Harder to tell any significant differences between amps the lower you go. I am using Nam lately and its amazing. Im gonna try to use one of these profile for my next single. Great job my friend!! Cheers from Colombia!
I am glad you like it. I tend to use guitars in a lot of different tunings, but definitely love playing in E standard and can agree that it can be tough to discern differences in super low tunings.
I got back to guitar playing after 2 years of having a break. I started using NAM and...I am amazed by the quality of this tool and the community. This is something we all needed, for real.
Nicely done my friend I really like this new technology. I have been a fractal audio guy for fourteen years and is nice to see this kind of stuff come in software.
It’s definitely awesome stuff, thanks for checking the video out!
And yes, I can feel the tightness and it`s my favorite setup. Thank you Paul :)
So glad you like it. Thanks for checking it out!
I downloaded your pack today, as i was trying the new Atomic Tonocracy, and it sounds great man! Tnx for the effort.
Wow Man !! I really love these captures. Thank you so much.
Wow, that's is almost identical! Only guitar player may notice any minor difference. Generally listener won't hear any. BTW, you have killer playing skills. Your 3 note per string run at 2:23 is Wow...clean!
Thank you Paul for the excellent comparison...Upon first listening I detect the modeler is a bit thinner sounding than the real deal.......but as you say its really close in comparison...
What is crazy and what I find the most mind-blowing is that modeling not only is the future but also it sounds ( in my experience ) much better than traditional amplifiers because we have access to absolutely all the settings that are not the case on a tube or transistor amplifier. Many people complain about modeling because they usually stick to the basic presets, whereas if you take the time to adjust everything yourself I hold onto the result that I have had for all these years playing on tube amps. The only advantage of these amps is that they are much simpler, with fewer settings.
I’ve been a proponent of modeling for a long time. In my opinion, for a lot of use cases the convenience supersedes any tonal difference. I’ve used so many pieces of gear extensively and seem to always gravitate to plugins for recording, and my Helix for live use.
Thanks for checking out the video!
Right?? Having additional EQ and Gain shaping on an AC30 or Rockerverb is insane!!
only for the miced up sound and for convenience. I now use three amps at the same time in the studio vs a loud drummer. Modellers can only cope if I run them in the loop of the amps. Through pa speakers forget it and none can model my system with dual amps and separate amp for harmonizer for example.
@@PMJmetalyou tone matched perfectly but man ot sounds dark with muddy bass and no clarity. Why? Did you lowpass the guitars? Is this your preference?
Estou impresionado com os seus profiles Parabens pela iniciativa!
subscribed! really loving NAM right now, can't go back to neural dsp vst's after playing NAM
I fucking love your solos bro. You have such a distinct playing style and damn it I miss jamming with ya! Great job on this review video bud! It’s crazy how technology is changing the guitar game. Keep up the great work Paul 🤘🏻
Thanks so much bud, I miss jamming with you also. I appreciate the support and hope all is well!
Another amazing thing you did. Love it. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Can't wait for the detailed capture.
Hey Paul, fm9 owner here. Just wanted to say thank for the capture and give as sub, well deserved man!
Thank you, it is much appreciated!
Paul...your capture here is absolutely excellent. Just when I think I detect a difference, I go back and listen and I'm not sure. Perhaps the real amp has a bit more fullness on the bottom. But then...maybe not. :D I do think the capture sounds a bit more open on top. Not fizzy. Just clearer somehow. Almost imperceptible. And I'm listening on Kali studio monitors! Great job here dude!
Glad you are enjoying the captures, thanks so much!
Hi Paul, you did a great job. The capture sounds great and is very near, but the real deal has a kind of a little MoJo. In my ears a bit more punch in the deeper frequencies. But when nobody tells you what the capture is, you can't hear it. Thanks for your video. All the best from Germany Andy
Thanks for the comment, Andy. I totally agree. The real amp still has a little something to it. Again, maybe a more detailed clone would change that, but I can definitely hear that the clone sounds thinner in the low end compared to the real thing. But again, unless someone where to show them side by side, it wouldn’t really be possible to notice a difference. Thanks for checking the video out!
Great tones - thanks for sharing your captures
Thanks for checking them out!
Digital sound is so good, one would buy a song and wouldn't have a chance to guess if it was a real amp or plugin used. Thanks for the video.
I agree, while back to back you might notice a small difference, without that context there would be know way to know.
Thanks for watching!
Awesome playing and sound dude 🤘🏾
Thank you!
Thank you for the profile! I love this software.
Glad you like it!
thanks for the package. I am already using and enjoying.
Glad you dig it, thanks for watching!
I like the parts where you talked and then played the guitar.
Thanks for checking out the video, Aaron. 🤣
NAM is great and we all loving it but man, that guitar is sick as hell! Great video and thanks for the profiles 🍻
Thanks, it is probably my favorite guitar.
This is awesome, i bet no-one will really notice in a mix
Yep, without a direct back to back comparison there really wouldn’t be any way to tell. Thanks for checking out the video!
I absolutley LOVE this. Its super subtle but the difference is in the low end for sure. I would imagine a plugin like virtual tape machine from slate could really help with that. I think I may never have to buy a new amp again. Given the nature of it being open source, I think we will see insane features come out soon!
Oh, a tape machine plug in could be interesting to try with it. Thanks for checking out the video!
@@PMJmetal Great work on the video man!
awesome sounds and thanks for sharing
Thank you for watching!
Thanx!!! Very, very cool plug-in!!!
Glad you dig it, thanks!
This plug-in alone should absolutely push other companies to make their sims sound as realistic as possible going forward.
IMO Fractal is still king when it comes to engineering the most realistic sim and effects, while making them extremely customizable. I realize this plug-in is about captures, and for most people, all they want is an amp and overdrive with very basic delay and reverb, and that’s fine. For others, we love having the best of the best for inspiration. This plug-in is a huge step to pushing for companies to create higher quality.
Can’t wait for the day when open source effects become as good as top shelf hardware and plug-ins.
Absolutely, its a great time to be a guitarist. Thanks for checking out the video!
awesome playing. nice arrangement of the vid and info.
Thank you so much for the kind words!
Nice video ! Would be nice to also see a comparison against the latest boogie plugin from Neural DSP !
Good idea, maybe a 3 way comparison between NAM, the IIC+ plugin, and Archetype Petrucci!
@@PMJmetal Throw in the Amped Fluff 2C from ML Sound Lab and that would be one AWESOME comparison! :D
Thank you very much!
$4k vs free......lol What a time to be alive. I still like my Mark V 25, but its cool to be able to pull up any tone you could ever want.
It’s certainly an awesome way to test out expensive gear without spending any money. Thanks for watching!
That is just nuts man
Thanks! Great review!
Thanks for watching!
These and the Satan are very high quality. Thank you.
Thank you.
NAM’s a bit brighter, but that’ll probably save a round of HPF’ing come mix time. Nice work.
Agreed. Thanks so much!
I came to your same conclusions (more bright and tight). Not bad characteristics though, that's kind of desirable. But yes, with NAM you can get a lot closer if you spend some more time.
Cheers for the download 😊
Thanks for watching!
Great plugin. Was capturing my Mesa Dual Rectifier Rev F preowned by Richard Kruspe Rammstein yesterday. One guy have me a comment about this software and after your video I think about sending back the tonex capture but is it possible to capture a full rig?
Amp miced Cab into Mic Pre into a Compressor. In tonex I could is the full way and was really satisfied.
Thanks alot for your video!
The NAM seems to sound brighter, the valve sim is astounding, very impressive.
Thanks for checking it out!
@@PMJmetal Thx a lot for your insight.
Awesome!!!!
That’s crazy! There’s almost no difference. Yes you are correct, the capture sounds a bit brighter than the real amp, but I actually like the capture more than the real amp dude. Rock on!
Glad you like it, thanks for watching.
thank you for your video. How did you captured your amp ? Also does the NAM export the impulse response as .wav in order to load it in an I.R. loader pedal, like the "impulse" from tc electronics ?
I captured the amp using a line 6 helix as an interface, and used the slave out on the JP2c. My captures do not include an impulse response, it’s just a capture of the head.
Great video comparison. The sound is amazing ! Only one thing, can't click/access the download links! Could you fix them?
UA-cam has to verify my ID before links will become clickable, that should be up and running within the next 24 hours or so. Thanks for checking out the video and leaving a comment!
I have a question that may sound stupid. On the tone hunt page are downloads of different amps, cabs etc right? So how do I actually download those into my PC? Looks like zip files? Need to be converted? I am totally lost dood
Wow! Sounds great.
Thanks so much!
Very cool thank you
Thanks for watching.
1:21 Can you explain the difference in sound between the Boogie "pushing Air" and the Neural Amp Modeler playing through various different PC sound cards (or are you using a PA and how close does that sound to the Boogie in a live room?) also, what is the sustain like on the Neural Amp Modeler compared to a Boogie live Amp turned up loud? I cannot see how there could be any real sustain .. maybe I'm wrong?
For me an amps sustain is EVERYTHING .. when listening to classic rock songs and solos they were all recorded with loud Amps .. cam the Neural Amp Modeler reproduce that loud Amp on the verge of feedback sound?
Can I use this plug-in w/ Audacity Studio ?? And how do I install? Thanks!
Great! Vid and excellent performance!
Thank you! If Audacity supports VST plug ins, you should be able to use it, I’ve never tried Audacity so I’m not sure though.
Great video look forward to testing the captures. Is there a site other than a Facebook page to test out community captures?
Thanks for checking it out! It seems like most people are posting their captures on tonehunt.org
@@PMJmetal Nice thank you!
NAM. EPIC❤
I can genuinely say I like the NAM version better :)
How many Epochs did you run and what was your ESR?
Glad you like it! Everything was set to the defaults, so I believe it was 100 epochs.
@@PMJmetal Thats awesome for a 100epoch model. I have some videos on my channel to show how to install the trainer locally if youre interested in doing higher epochs or just not having to worry about Google Collabs timing out on you.
Great work on the video, man!
@@jasonzdora Awesome, I will definitely take a look! I plan on putting a more elaborate amp pack together at the request of the NAM group on Facebook so maybe I will see if its feasible for me to get more detailed with it. Thanks!
have you thought about doing a JP2C and Satan for Tonex? I'd be SO DOWN!
The hype is understandable, Neural is good stuff. Your right hand technique is insane. 👍
Thanks for the kind words, I appreciate it!
@@PMJmetal You're welcome Paul, we know it takes a lot of time and energy to develop to this level. :)
1) Paul, are you create this sound with digital CAB and Mic, or Real Cab and mic?
2) How about NAM work with bass-guitar tone. What do you think about this?
This sound is using an impulse response, not a real cab. You can use NAM for bass, there are some captures of bass amps and pedals. Thanks for watching!
Still prefer the amp, the capture sounds nasal and significantly brighter in comparison. But in a mix there's barely any difference. Very impressed.
Definitely, a capture won’t 100% replace an amp. But it’s super cool that users can share emulations of their gear with each other. It’s a lot of fun. Thanks for watching!
The nam caputure did sound tighter but man, it sounds really really good
Thanks, glad you like it!
i have tried and man oh yeah this sounds killer this is best sounding of all amp sims i've used i recommend to anybody who wants to get close for petrucci sound
I’m glad you like them, thanks for checking them out!
please, don't forget to share your IR impulse ... thanks :=) but great job for reamping :=)
Could you buy a Mark II C (or whatever Petrucci uses these days) and share the NAM too? This one sounds stellar already X) (Clean, OD and Lead would be awesome).
(I kid about buying another Mesa, lol..... but maybe you could meet him and ask him to let you do it REAL QUICK, lol)
Cheers.
WOW Mannn, this is the perfect sound I was Looking for... It would be too much to ask if you could Share this IR as well?
Thank you so much
Thanks so much, unfortunately I can’t give out the IR, but it is in this pack. It is the YA mes 412 os JP mix: www.yorkaudio.co/product-page/mes-412-os-v2
@@PMJmetal No problem my friend, just to know the name it helps me, I'm going to search for it thanks brow!
Impressive, really.
Thank you!
Hi pls let me know once the link is up and running. can't access it right now
Link isn't a link right now
UA-cam wont allow the full link until they approve my account is verified, which will take about 24 hours supposedly. Until then, this is the link: drive.google.com/file/d/1bjRuc6cVNdRqtDba_SnTILOjPs7LVUvY/view?usp=sharing
Great work! BTW: link to google drive doesn't work
UA-cam wont allow the full link until they approve my account is verified, which will take about 24 hours supposedly. Until then, this is the link: drive.google.com/file/d/1bjRuc6cVNdRqtDba_SnTILOjPs7LVUvY/view?usp=sharing
Excellent tone and ...excellent guitar :-) yes....the game now will be much harder for the big guys. If people owning all those iconic amps will decently produce accurate profiles of those amps then it will be the end of the big guys (Kemper, Fractal, QC etc.,) and amp manufacturers as well I'm afraid ....like saying "the good and the bad side of things".
NO. The big guys will crush this infantile program. When it's free it means it's not protected. AND releasing free software that is unprotected open source is kinda like "butt drilling" a prostitute without a bag on. You get to pop but you also get to carry viral diseases for the rest of your life. IN this case, the juice is not worth the squeeze. AND some big company will figure out how to crush it. This will go away very quickly. Just like internet friends. Gone before you know it. FREE=DUMB FREE=BAD FREE=ZERO SUPPORT. FREE=CRUSHED BY REAL COMPANY. FREE=ONE AND DONE. Neural will crush this based on name trademark infirigement. That lawsuit is already heading thru the courts. Won't be long now. There is no good here. Only bad. Think dripping pus out of the head of your peepee
Have you switched the EQ off in the NAM plugin?
I did not switch it to off, but i also did not adjust them at all. All settings were set to noon.
there is still a little bit of a difference. Maybe it's just a little bit low fidelity than the real amp. Damn amazing though. Nothing Anybody'll miss for sure.
bitchin' sound! and great playing! really loved the solo.
Thank you!
The plugin has less attack. Why?
I didn’t notice less attack, but it could be because I used the “easy mode” method to make my capture. Thanks for checking out the video!
NAM made me sell my Axe-Fx II 😂 it's so f****** good!
It’s crazy how good a free plugin can be. Thanks for checking out the video!
En la parte rítmica le falta graves con respecto al amp.
Holy shit
can we have a link of ur cab it as well?
I cannot give that away unfortunately because it is a paid impulse response. You can purchase them here though: www.yorkaudio.co/product-page/mes-412-os-v2
Did you try null test?
Thanks for checking out the video. I have not tried that.
But how do actually model the amps with it?
I personally did it using this method: colab.research.google.com/github/sdatkinson/neural-amp-modeler/blob/main/bin/train/easy_colab.ipynb
Which York cab IR mic/position is that?
It’s part of their Mesa Rectifier cab pack and is the JP mix
@@PMJmetal which one specifically?
google drive link doesn't work! Missing characters
UA-cam wont allow the full link until they approve my account is verified, which will take about 24 hours supposedly. Until then, this is the link: drive.google.com/file/d/1bjRuc6cVNdRqtDba_SnTILOjPs7LVUvY/view?usp=sharing
NAM is legit. Not only does it sound amazing, it actually feeeeels great to play. Sometimes that's the missing element with plugins. Great job.
Works best with a tube intel i9 cpu
Tone for days!
yes, I would like a Celine Dion cover please. My Guitar Will Go On. Thank you in advance.
If only Dragonforce didn’t already do it. 🤣
the loadbox is critical. torpedo lbs are not good
I didnt need to use a load box, as the JP-2C has the ability to turn off the cab, and I was able to just use the slave out on the head. Thanks for checking out the video.
Nam wins Always uff....
low end difference
I agree, I do feel like the real amp has more low end to it. However, after a high and low pass filter it may even things out.
NAM is able to capture "every" detail. It is possible to control the parameters of the profiling. I do not know how this amp was captured though.
Now just let me load it into some hardware Or overright whatever is in my positive grid spark and i will be happy for a long time.
Haha, I like NAM better. It has more grind in the top end.
Glad you dig it!
Sounds good huh? :-) . . . and its FREE :-)
It’s definitely pretty awesome. And yeah, can’t beat the price.
Real amp is breathing.
NAM is soo close and soo far.
The difference is notable.
You also need to consider that changing the amp settings in the model will lead to a lot more inaccuracy, unlike in the actual amp.
The NAM plug sounds better 😂
Get rid of that hunk of cobber and wood 😅
Thanks, I may hold onto it for posterity’s sake. 😂
Thanks for watching!
Wow, I cant hear any difference!!
cant make any fair judgement until I hear amp and REAL cab vs neural and IR. this IR is weakest link in real amp chain and might be responsible for unification of both sounds.
That could be a fun experiment to make a video on. 🤔
@@PMJmetal yes:) could be an experiment on your neighbours IR too:)
135 subs and 8800 views. NO. this is fraudulent. Somthing does not add up here.
Don’t know what to tell you. I started this channel, shared this video in a couple groups and it seems to have taken off. It is, however, not fraudulent. 🤷♂️
NAM sounds better ^^
Now that’s a hot take! Thanks so much for checking out the video and leaving a comment!