Morning Coffee Session - I Lost My Chug - SO Many Metal Influences - An Originality Dilemma
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I've always found that noodling to music that I don't typically listen to or even enjoy can be a great way of getting out of that writer's funk.
Forcing yourself into unfamiliar territory is key to expanding your musical language, in my opinion.
After a little while, you find yourself trying to improve things in songs you otherwise wouldn't have cared about.
You'll find SO many great musicians that barely listen to the kind of music they make...
There's always a cure for a stagnant musician, and sometimes that does mean just taking a break from it all 🧡
you should write some legato open chord ethereal stuff and then go back over with some chugs and see what happens. sometime the answer isnt either or, its both
Longer fasts seem to always open a Floodgate of creative gems... :)
You seem lonely, my dear Geebz.
If 'Metal' has ever taught me anything, it's that the spirit of desperation can seep through any composition, regardless of production quality and strike the listener with that jolt of lightning which hits when the Vagus Nerve and Amygdala are linked together (I call it, "getting hit in the balls").
This is beyond words.
The bands you referenced are very technical, with a tendency toward high production quality.
When I need to get hit in the balls again, I always go to something PRIMAL.
Bands which have the true Heart of Metal coursing thru them.
Melvins - Houdini
Down - NOLA
Darkthrone - Transylvanian Hunger
Search for whatever gave you the base elements of what speaks to you and meditate on that.
Pantera
Black Sabbath
Judas Preist
Mercyful Fate
Motorhead
There are many who passed the torch to us, the flame will never be extinguished.
Well, that was a nice shot of creative adrenalin - thank you!
I agree with your Melvins and Down.
I was thinking today about what I like, versus what comes out of me when I play. And there is what we would like to be, and what we are.
Don't dismiss what you are.
If it's just a matter of inspirado, I always go back to who I think are the big riff writers of my day.
Obviously Tony Iommi is the king, but in the 90s my favorite riff maker was Tommy Victor.
Dude has some serious riffs, and inspires me all the time.
@scottmcley5111 dude., Prong is a wellspring of riffs!
I’ve always had this problem. I have about 30+ songs I’ve recorded over the years and never release them anywhere lol. But I still love writing so much, it comes in waves. I actually will listen to a lot of 70s-80s synthy horror and sci-fi scores, the compositions and vibes are so close to brutal metal just in a different medium!
Just keep plugging away man!
Something will happen 😊
Everybody is influenced by something or someone. it's all about stirring it all in a pot together and like you said let it ring.
Thank you Geebz
I for one am glad that I do not have a single creative bone in my body so I can just enjoy all the art made from others from the surface
I looove your introspection. You have such keen insight!
Relentless, fearless exploration and experimentation, and expressing yourself authentically seems to lead to it eventually, but it should come from your own curiosity, feeling and inner compass/intuition, rather than obsessing about and forcefully trying to be different.. I think that's all :) Allowing oneself to find inspiration outside of the medium of creation is a big one too, it's everywhere isn't it!
P.S. What's the background sound here, sounds very serene and beautiful!
Spend some time snoozing with your headphones on running low volume random mixes of lighter metal/hard rock/folk rock.
Throw in some classical to the mix. Maybe Sibelius would fit.
Hi Geebz, Here’s a good one. So a co-worker of mine mentioned something about salt junk. I said “That’s funny, that’s the name of my industrial metal Abba cover band” He said. “Seriously?” and I said, “No” He replied, “Well you’re definitely going to make that happen now.” Want to be in my band?
Man, I've had a very similar conundrum. Meshuggah & Gojira can be especially transfixing at times. so much so, parts of my own music will have small pieces of meshuggah intertwined hiding within lol. Its a tough one sometimes concerning originality/creativity..
In terms of listening to music, I have found that starting with lighter music in the daytime and transitioning to heavier stuff later in the evening helpful in my own writing. Too much heavy too early gets me a bit one-track minded. Frigging Meshuggah :) (I love them so much)
Something that interests me is to follow what you are hearing yourself. Like what is the humming going on inside your skull? Steve Vai particularly talks about following his ear and surprising himself so to speak. He seems intensely attached with his instrument and what it has to say, and I always find he has an excellent way of reframing our view of music and what it means to the individual/common collective (great guy to listen to if feeling in a creative rut). Listening for " what I would like to hear" is different in itself for me, especially having played in bands for a long time where you have to Fit the mold vs pure improvisation. Personally, I wish to improve my improvisation with this slight mindset difference in listening.
If you have a small inkling, you can always follow it. Or reel it back in if it gets too much. Also, I very much so agree with taking a break or "sitting on your hands" and waiting for a little bit to see if something springs upon you. A lot of material can appear out of the blue that way!
Thanks for being very open Geebz, I felt I had to say something.
its all been done before whether youve heard it or not, dont worry too much about originality and just make what you want :)
I hear you. The famous French writer André Gide once said: "there is nothing that has not already been said". Just chill with that.
edit: yeah I had to google that quote
As a person totally unqualified to have an opinion on this I would say we're at the point where almost everything has been done especially if the production of this material is constructed through theoretical knowledge only which is obviously necessary to some degree but there are other factors and these are personal. An artist may have very limited theoretical knowledge but compensate for this with individuality, art, emotional content, etc. Paul Weller had writers block so participated in a bit of wacky backy and created great material. On that basis I would say alternative feeling and thinking is a critical factor in creating something with some level of originality.
yeah its pretty common for people especially 7 string players to have this dilemma thats why people like tim and abasi even tho they get tons of praise they bring out a different side of the 7 string that motivates me to find new ways to voice with the instrument and find its unique corks
So true
In the words of Misha, “Don’t try to be original and it will still sound like yourself.”
Also I drank the bar
I vote heavy/chugging deep sounds
every artist sounds like who they liked. People take it as an insult but that's how people learn to sing/play an instrument. I hear a band and think "they sound like so and so" then find out later they're fans of them. see you're thinking in technical music.... you gotta go for the emotional music. just do what you feel till a song is done and see how it is. then you can tweek them from there.
My opinion is that there are no truly "original things" left to write...not in music, not in movie/tv scripts, not in books, not in video games.
Everything produced in the last 20 years "sounds like" or "feels like" or "pays homage to" something that came in the 20 years before that, and so on.
It's the feelings behind it, the way it's arranged and presented, the feelings it evokes in listeners, etc...that are the "new" aspects.
All you can do is write & play what feels good and satisfying to you.
Hi Geebz, any chance you can review more bands like Knower rather than all the prog metal bands? Thanks 😊
Would love to buy you a cup of coffee at island brew uncle.
Can you react to Fading by Vacation Manor?
do some slow doom metal
Hmmm, that's a cool artistic influence, thanks!
If you try to play a cover, it will never be the same as the original even if the notes are. That said, if you're inspired by something, and we're talking about the guitar in that case, when you'll add other instruments on top, there's no way they'll sound/be the same as your initial influence. My point is never restrain yourself because it sounds like something else (unless it's 100% the same obviously), cause what you'll make of it will be your own and totally different once finished.
These albums never stop to inspire me, hope it does the same to you, cheers from Québec!
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