The Scott Pilgrim Anime Is NOT What You Think | Scott Pilgrim Takes Off Explained
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- Опубліковано 18 лис 2023
- Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is indisputably the biggest departure from Bryan Lee O'Malley's original story so far. So what's going on? No spoilers!
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Only one problem is that 8 episodes is too little, it would be great to see more of this guys(Knifes espeshially)
Well there is a next season tease at the end so
@@jaysax7381O’Malley said that was more of a MCU parody than an actual teaser
@@alexgrey7972does work to set up a season 2 tho. Julie, Gordon/Gideon, and Mathew are still evil and are evidently still interested in settling their beef. Maybe they’re planning on trying to stop Scott from becoming an evil ex
Knives had more improvements than being Scott’s ex girlfriend stalker stereotype
I honestly like the anime. Though I hope if they make a second season, they'll have NegaScott in it. That and I wish there were more episodes for season 1...
Great use of Good Kid's music in this one! I will say I was the same going into this in that I was hoping for a proper adaptation of the comic's story but after experiencing it I love that there are so many different retellings of the same story with Takes Off feeling like a wrap up of all the different stories. It's a nice send off for the Scott Pilgrim series.
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I found out about Good Kids from one of his videos a long time ago and listen to them constantly now.
So Bryan Lee O’Malley watched Kevin Smith’s Masters of the Universe and thought it was peak fiction.
That's not totally plausible. Unlike He-Man, Scott Pilgrim is a jerk.
In a way, it is new game plus.
The reason SPTO is so well received is the cast and crew put so much respect towards the characters, plot, franchise, and even the towards the fans.
Not to spoil anything, but as a side plot, at the end of the story the band figured out what they were missing and found her. Or, she found them.
Its funny, I went being a fan of the movie and recently reading the books to this thinking it would be a more faithful adaptation to the novels but not alone... I had a friend who never got any kind of contact with the Scott Pilgrim world, and I must say she LOVED IT... Even tho I mentioned from time to time what they were referring to in the movie or the books and she saw me full lost when the turn of events happened... It was super interesting and the proof that this stands as its own thing without prior knowledge on how things work. And I must say, after accepting it diverging to its own thing I really enjoyed it and couldn't recommend more to anyone who's a fan or just wants a new anime to follow.
Yea this adaptation was amazing I enjoyed it
I have sooooooo many conflicting emotions with this anime. Like big ones. I don't know how to describe it but it's like the feeling you get when you order take-out from a restaurant and you realize back home that they F'd up the order and you got wings when you wanted ribs. I mean, it isn't devastating when it still food you equally enjoy and is priced the same. But you can't help but feel disappointed by how it happened and you can't turn back so you're left with this nagging feeling after eating something still delicious.
In foresight, I shoulda guessed a painfully short 8 episode season would be want it is.... no way to condense (or start) a direct comic adaption with that.😕
So that’s why it still seams so good and right, even if it’s so different from the original. It makes so much sense knowing the author was involved. It is really what would happen if Scott wasn’t there.
Honestly this is an amazing way to do things. I got home late the day this drop, without knowing what the adaptation did other then brief mentions of it being an examination of what the original story is about, and with my expectations being much like most folks, I decided to watch an episode to sate my desire to at least watch something I've been waiting for with the plan to watch the rest later. That twist though got me hooked and I instantly understood what it was that I was watching instead. I had to stop myself from watching more after watching episode 3 as I needed sleep and I knew if I continued, I wouldn't be able to stop. Honestly I love the comparison of a NG+ or Scott Pilgrims own version of an Unlimited Blade Works. Like I understand other folks desire for a more faithful adaptation, but this gave me something I never knew I wanted. With a story helping flesh out so much about this world, even if I do wish some of the characters did get more attention on them, it still felt like a nice remix of the story I have loved so much.
I've seen some responses of people being upset that nothing in the leadup to release let them know this was going to be a alt timeline kind of story. But I am really glad it was never spoiled for me. I absolutely love seeing all of these new interactions between characters and getting insight to characters that in previous versions were essentially cardboard cutouts. If I really feel I need to experience that OG story again, I can always reread it.
To be fair Bryan (the creator) kept saying in every interview leading up to the release that it would very much be a departure from the comics and not a One-to-One adaptation. He's said pretty much what you've said: "If you need to experience the OG story again, you can always read the comic."
I can understand many would have wanted a fully faithful adaptation, but being upset that it's not what we got when it was never promised didn't make much sense to me. After all, the show's literally called "Scott Pilgrim Takes Off", can't really get more on the nose than that without outright saying "Scott's Fuckin' Missing"
@@odericn.8998 Rewatch the trailers and tell me with a straight face they didn't trick people on purpose. You don't get points because you realize what they were doing after the fact.
@@Biostar96most trailers are intentionally misleading. But anyone who listened to the creator knows it was going to be different to behave like you were wronged by it is just childish lmao. No one’s looking for points and if the literal author said he was going to be doing things he wished he did initially and that if you wanted to see the same story again the books and movies exist then it is what it is. He’s allowed to tell stories with his own characters as he sees fit. Anyone who *actually cares ab Scott pilgrim wouldn’t be acting like a jilted lover and instead embracing the (in some cases) much needed fleshing out
@@jaysax7381 I shouldn't have to do research to not be tricked. If they actually had confidence in the story they wouldn't have needed to hide it in the trailers which are more public and easily accessible than interviews. Just goes to show how little respect they have for the audience to let them make their own decision beforehand. Be a consoomer if you want.
@@Biostar96Of course they didn't spoil the main twist in the promo. I'm glad they didn't at all indicate what was really going to happen, so I could actually be surprised by it.
Ngl, I thought the Scott Pilgrim from the future in the show was the one from the original comic series
He is. He hilariously and poeticly becomes the ultimate Evil Ex.
@@nicklausinthehouse8214 Yeah...like me🥺
I did know that it was not going to be the same story. And I am all for it.
I'm kinda sad about this because I never read the books or watched the movie. I wanted this to be my first exposure to the Scott Pilgrim story only for it to be a bait and switch alternate universe thing. It took me like 5 episodes to realize that this probably isn't how the story was supposed to go. I'm still enjoying it but now I'm sorta detached from it because it's not what I wanted. It's awesome that people who have loved Scott Pilgrim for so long have new content though.
Honestly, I’m sure this show is good but I’m still annoyed by how Netflix deliberately tricked me into thinking this was going to be a faithful adaptation. If it was called something different like “Ramona takes off” or just “Ramona” I would be fine.
I think from now on either I’ll take trailers with extreme skepticism or not watch them at all
Expecting what you did, a full retelling of the graphic novel, I was disappointed after the first episode. I rewatched that scean to make sure that i really saw that. After watching the rest though i fell in love with it and am glad that it was something new.
I’ve never watched Scott Pilgrim, so I’ll give this one a watch. Thanks for the visiting 🤙
Nice thanks so much for commenting! The graphic novel is incredible.
Seriously you should definitely read the books or at least watch the movie before you watch this. You'll get so so much more out of it if you do and not because of stuff they cut out for time.
Basically its Fire Emblem Fates. You think there is two paths, but in reality there is the third path, the rest you find out by watching the show.
They very clearly were pulling a rebuild. If anything the nods of the script being the actual movie’s plot and the “expected” series of events prove it. The painting in the Skateboard scene, everyone getting their happy endings and Scott and Ramona finally accepting themselves and maturing, and the VERY direct “AK Field” plotpoint (which is a more literal interpretation of what AT Fields represent in Eva) all just bolt it down more.
I’m surprised it wasn’t a direct adaption, but since we have the comics and the game which is pretty faithful, I’m really happy with this. It feels like a true sequel.
That said I love this crap, it expands the worlds and characters rather than “replacing” the originals.
And I think preferring a beat-for- beat remake can be braindead if the original still holds up well. (I.e OG Eva can easily be rewatched and enjoyed, while OG FFVII has come to really show its age graphically and script-wise and would have benefited more from a true remake). I like that if anything, it pushes people towards the comics yet again, re-asserting its value.
this video takes the whiplash that fans could feel from the changes and turns into celebrating story telling. AMAZING work - glad to know these changes came from the original creator. After following him on twitter for years I could tell he did not like the ways some of the characters ended and wanted something different from the story. Instead of being upset about the differences - I'm excited he got the chance to make something more.
Ayeeee a good kid cover, good choice for the ED of your video. Also, as someone new to the Scott pilgrim franchise/experience, I really enjoyed the anime and I'll definitely be looking into the movie and the books
Although the anime is definitely growing on me (i had the same shock as everyone else), i think the bigger difference for me is the “vibe” of the show, which isn’t a bad thing. Like, the comics had an actual Bildungsroman style narrative as a really well thought out and cathartic coming of age with its share of darker and serious moments, about twenty somethings learning how to stop hurting each other and not be assholes. The movie was definitely an action movie with snarky and awkward characters and quotable lines. I’ve never played the game, but at least for the anime, it feels definitely a lot more lighthearted and sweet and fresh. As Digiknow pointed out, there’s actually a lot more sweet moments between characters and new dynamics to be seen and are just enjoyable to watch sprinkled in a wonderfully weird plot, akin to something like adventure time (comedy with deeper moments) and even the anime Nichijou (chibi anime absurdity) for me. Envy and Todd definitely remind me of a sexually charged Team Rocket with this one. I really appreciate how everyone has their genuinely sweet moments and aren’t sarcastic or mean all the time. I feel what makes me feel this show isn’t really “Scott Pilgrim” is it feels like less of a coming of age or about improving as a person and fighting for the love of your dreams (at least this season) was more about reconciliation, forgiveness and moving on, which isn’t bad, just a common factor the other sources had. This one feels less rooted in real life to me, which is something the anime and movie both did for me, since it became more of a mystery twist. The key characters are still somewhat realistic but I just find everyone so much more likeable. And I like Roxie kinda gets her justice, she’s become a new favorite for me. I miss Scott being more Micheal Cera-ish but asi es guey. Anyways those are my thoughts
I personally like this over Scott Pilgrim versus the world because they improved so many characters and the fact that they got all the people that played the characters in the movie shows me dedication
My biggest issue isn’t that Ramona is the main character, as a fan of this series it’s cool to explore other aspects of the universe. My issue is how it was advertised. One of my fav pieces of jewelry was advertised as a larger piece than shown, every single picture shows it to have dimensions bigger than advertised. But when I purchased it was about half the size. Still one of my fav pieces, but had it been advertised as its actual size, I still would have bought it, because I had faith in the name brand. The misdirection was unnecessary, because the show was still quality. Because the name brand producing it has a good track record.
Yup
I will agree with you there, generally speaking I'm never thrilled with fake outs. If this was billed as Ramona Flowers vs. The World, or as a Scott Pilgrim sequel (like it kind of ended up sort of being), I think it would have been just as appealing. Weird naming and marketing conventions are weird!
Spoilers:
Still think it’s good and really like it but just one thing that really pisses me off. And no it’s not that Scott isn’t in his own show for like 5 eps, it does lead to some emotional moments being weaker with him and knives and others compared to the comics, but it’s also an indirect sequel that fleshed out the league. And they wanted to do something different instead of telling the same story for the 4th time. But that’s the problem. It’s an indirect sequel. You’re telling me; after 6 vols of becoming a better person Scott just becomes an evil ex anyways? It takes 6 vols of emotional growth and throws it out the window so they can make the premise and villain work. The villain is the same Scott who learned how to be a better person as he was defeating the league? The only way it could make sense is if he didn’t learn anything in this version. Otherwise it’s just character assassination. And as far as I can tell he’s the same guy from the comics
Even ignoring the bait and switch it failed on the premise on fleshing out Ramona and the Exes. I just came out of it wondering why any of them gave a shit about each other.
Biggest issue was the shirt episode count. If they paced the story thought out multiple seasons, and focused on developmental on smaller amounts of characters per season this could have turned out good
Hehehe, yeah, truly, this Show gave us quite the Surprise.
Though that does make me wonder, what a Season 2 would be about?
The plan that Gordon and Julie are plotting, if you saw the post-credits scene you will understand.
@@facyoutube1217 hm, I guess, what do you think they are plotting?
I would want the conspicuously absent examination of Gideon and Ramona's relationship and itd be cool to see Lisa.
it looks amazing, and i accepted the changes at first, but by the 5th episode it was hard to watch, so much personality and charm from the comic books were lost, the existencial stuff and also the dynamics between characters was replaced for a fun and silly watered down version.
"These are gifts" ... i... i like that wording. Thank you.
as a big fan of the Scott Pilgrim movie, and graphic novel; i felt this was a fantastic show.
and I think FF7 Remake is a good comparison too, where I enjoy it more as a pairing to the original.
you phrased it all much better than I could put into words, thanks for the great video. ^^
You weren’t tricked, they never said it was going to be a 1:1 adaptation
The thing I think has happened here is, Bryan made the original series nearly 20 years ago. Since then he's developed all these characters and extra details. So when he had the chance to make an anime, he created this. An alternate scenario. While the original focused on SP, this one took a different approach and became Ramona.
Where we tricked? Absolutely.
This felt more like the FLCL series but for Ramona.
Not bad animated, not bad stories, but depending on how much familiarity you wanted, you'll either pike it or you won't. Personally I don't mind it, but I'm disappointed to not see the story I liked animated. However I do like this exploration into the world and life of the exes. BUT I think it could've been a sequel taking place after the movie/comics.
Perhaps the exes respawn and try again and then have their closure. Literally, change the 1st ep, have it be that Scott and Ramona have been together for a bit after book 6 and the exes attack again and 'kill' Scott. You could then have thisnentire anime play out almost the same.
I made my own Svott Pilgrim and Lisa Miller animation and after this, I'm tempted to animate their whole story 😂
Well if you were pay attention to the show it was a sequel of sorts.
@kemious9361 tbh I'm on halfway through the episode but I've seen some images which make me think its a time travel story, and honestly, if it is, then this show can entirely be a sequel. But you'll know it and I won't (yet) haha
Tbh with the little amount of info I got from screen shot from the internet It felt like more like a fanfiction than the original story for me personally
I mean... Its not fan fiction. It was made by the original author. Its just fiction.
All that stuff STILL happened in the comics. Scott has always been kind of dopey. And we know he is TERRIBLE at break ups. Ramona is bad with communication. He thought the space she needed was a divorce. So his dumbass BECAME a evil ex. It's hilarious and poetic. It's a sweet ass semi-sequel. The evil exes were 1 dimensional jerks, and Ramona was always sort of a bitch to them growing up. This is a really cool way to promote growth and show depth of all the characters and give them room to be humans. Instead of pissed off people who get murdered. I thought it was a super rad addition to the lore.
I’m a little mixed on the anime. I can respect doing something different and taking it in a new direction, but at the same time having Scott be absent for most of the series was a total fumble for me. Despite his actions and being a scummy character I’m still invested in his character and journey. Not so say the other characters are bad, but it was just missing its core to focus on other aspects of the world and I’m not sure how on board I am with the story we got. Instead of a story of emotional growth and development, we get this weird who done it, time travel mystery. It feels like a weird Else-World comic that’s cool in theory, but you’d never want it to be the status quo. Idk man, I can’t deny the quality, it’s excellently made. But as a Scott Pilgrim story, it just felt off to me.
While the show is a departure from the material, it’s still a story about emotional growth and development, it’s just that the protagonist is Ramona. The emotional core of this rendition is Ramona looking back and think about how she handles breakups in general and how it had an impact on some of the exes and deciding to face all the ups and downs of romantic relationships without running away through her choosing to pursue a relationship with Scott despite all that can go against them. This is a side of Ramona that was explored in tandem with Scott’s story in the comics, but was only explored through the exes’ comments about her and in Scott and Ramona’s reunion after his death, and this show is given the opportunity to flesh out that side of the story and give dimensions to both the exes and their relationships with Ramona. I also love the idea of having an older Scott being the worst evil ex of them all and serving as the final boss for Scott and Ramona’s relationship to overcome, but I will agree that it only works if the audience is aware of Scott’s faults and shortcomings from the comics. If my biggest critique of the Scott Pilgrim movie is that it doesn’t give the audience enough screen time to develop Ramona’s character, then my biggest critique with this show is that it doesn’t give Scott enough screen time to reveal his flaws for the characterization of Future Scott to make sense.
This is Masters of the Universe level of end of episode 1 plot twist.
This may just be me but I sometimes feel bad when people clamor for a "Definitive Edition" of the story.
O'Maley, while clearly able to reflect on whatever worked and didnt with the original Scott Pilgrim books, doesnt seem to want to erase the interest in people actually picking his books. He is a writer after all; a 1:1 adaptation would eventually lure people away from the og work one way or another.
People also tend to forget that not until late in development, the movie was also going to go its own unique way with a different ending. So clearly it shows that just making the "definitive" Scott Pilgrim story isnt what he wants but rather use each media iteration to express Scott's world in different ways
dude you like good kid too??
i am definitely watching this whole video now
Haha we’re pals from the university days. Great guys, amazing music !
Clearly, the anime takes place in a parallel universe.
It was supposed to be like the movie, until the futuristic Scott captured the present Scott, during battle with the 1st evil ex.
So the anime focuses a lot more on Ramona and her exes, which is very cool. However, I did miss Scott throughout the series.
I didn't know this series even existed. Should I watch the new one or just find the old one?
I dont think I would recommend this without watching the movie or reading the comic! If you do one of those first then I think you can really enjoy this !
Bait and switch, I was sold that this was an adaption of the graphic novels, not some alternate take, which at points I struggled to stay engaged, some of the developments with the exes feel very out of left field, like Ex boyfriend 3 going full gay, cause of Wallace hits on him, never was thus suggested, heck he cheated on Envy Adam's with the other female band member, is everyone fluid sexual in Pilgrim's world, heck did Wallace mount Scott at some point in the past well he had a man right there in his bed? Kim Pine also has a forced kiss moment, whatever. I don't get why these fools that finance this content don't follow successful practices when moving stories to other visual mediums, like they do in Japan, keep it consistent, cause you know that story formula is successful, the new audiences can go back to the source and other merchandise, the established audience is happy and will share it with friends, everyone is happy money flows. As is this creates an unnecessary divide in the paying audience, one that did not existent, kinda like what Disney did with Star Wars. As is this may be the only chance to get Scott Pilgrim animated and this is socks, cause the product looks good, but is not what we fell in love with a tale of a slacker that was pursing his own ends in relationships and hooks up with girl that does the same damage as he does and they both have to deal with their baggage to move on. In this new take Scott is mostly to blame and I can't take that. Brian Lee O'Malley could have added more depth to the League of Evil Exes without Taking Off Scott. Yet this bait and switch that cost millions of dollars and won't be loved across the board. And last they should have cash Voice actors for the animated take, cause most of the live action cast sound flat. Whatever this is out. If you like than I'm happy for you, just respect that I don't, cause I'm part of audience too, went to see the film when it bombed in theaters, bought it on Bluray, watched it countless times since, read the books, bought the game on two separate consoles, own other tales O'Malley has crafted. Man I got nothing more to add, peace.
Bruh if episode 6 didn't hit you in the feels this is not the adaptation for you
You're right, it didn't. Closest I got was the fight between Ramona and Roxy.
@@Biostar96 That was also a good scene
@@TheJamonm93 Only good scene in my opinion
I was kind of dissapointed when i first watched the show, but now i kinda get what o'malley and the rest of the crew behind takes off where trying to do. i'm not fully in love with it, and i kinda would have prefered a more accurate adaptation of the comics, but i get it, and i'm looking forward to a new season and i'm super exited about it
There is no new season. He said himself he just put in that last scene as a joke.
personally I love the series so far, I never read the comics but know of certain key moments in them and I did watch the movie. I always wanted to see more of the other characters, and I hope there's a season 2 continuing that teaser at the end.
There isn't a second season
@@Biostar96 source?
@@DreadGB Google for full article "To some, this may seem like the set-up for future installments, but O’Malley insists that it was a “fun little parody of post-credit scenes.” But don’t be too dismayed, as the creator added, “If we ever did magically get to make more, maybe we could play with that idea… But it really was just something we threw out there as a fun little thing. And it does end the story arc for those two, now they’re together.”
@@Biostar96 well this doesn't outright deny a season 2, but just leaves it as 'unconfirmed' but either way, thanks for the info
I haven't seen it but tink im gonna like it still
I never read the original comics but watched the live action. I knew of the series a bit, and the live action since the mid 2010s. I heavily enjoyed it despite knowing some things from the comics weren’t in it.
I watched the anime assuming it would be following the comics from start to finish and have stuff from the comics not in the movies, but with what we got, I’m satisfied (yet I wish we got more Scott due to seeing him gradually change, not get his change at the episode 7 and 8). Since we still have the comics to go off of, and the creator was the head of the anime.
So it was what I was thinking and I wasn't tricked.
Alright
Honestly i see scott pilgrim takes off as sequel
I liked takes off but i still wanted a 1 to 1 adaptation. So i am both satisfied and unsatisfied in some way. Sure i could go back to the graphic novels, movie, and game but seeing the initial story actually animated would've been better as it wouldve become more immersive.
AND we can watch it with someone. We can't do that with the comic. That's why many people wanted a 1 to 1. Yea you can throw the excuse of "just go read the comics". Bruh yea I can but only on my own.
My problem with is with the end. Romona didn’t have a problem running away from love. In every case leaving was the right thing to do. Her problem which was also part of Scott’s: they didn’t handle like adults. They would just go on with their lives not explaining and giving closure to the ex’s.
Rejection sucks no matter what, but with an adult conversation about it; not leaving someone wondering what happened. It won’t necessarily lessen the initial blow; emotions are hard, but it helps everyone grow.
In short Romona saying she wasn’t going to run from love anymore is wrong. If Romona said I’m not going to run from an obligation to communicate, would have been a better super Romona.
Scott just apologizing to knives wasn’t enough. He was know as a jerk to a lot of people. Maybe that will be addressed in another season, but the truth is Scott has a lot more apologizing to do, and not just to ex’s.
Nothing against the anime, but I really would’ve liked to see a retelling of the original story, just animated with more time to develop characters and such
and that is where i cant take your word, nomura was a art desing, other make the writing, the og and father of FF left long ago
I notice a trend like you mention , it sound to good to be true and then the rugg pull happens ...some can work but say for ff 7 , people want like the resident evil games , Eva is like the anime people dont shut up about or that Heman show
I dont say dont do it, but when market this as a adaption is lituraly misleading
I hope the new jet set radio game doesn't give us the same story for the 3rd time
You briefly mention it at the end but I can’t reconcile the fact that the anime doesn’t stand on its own at all. Without doing homework you can’t really enjoy it. Personally that’s a big knock against the story. Also call me whatever phobe you want but I think Scott should be in the show and not gone for the first half.
Except for the fact that they stated that all the events from the original ff7 are still going to happen in the remakes just slightly different.
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I didn’t like the new direction they went in. I get why they did it but I feel like it let down old fans and most likely confused new ones.
YOU USED GOOD KID SONGS ON A SCOTT PILGRIM VIDEO?! BEYOND BASED. best canadian band too fr fr
They’re the best! We’re buddies from university. It only made sense to use music from a Toronto indie band to talk about Scott Pilgrim, a series about a Toronto indie band :)
I loved it. That is all
I would count this as a sequel to the movie and evil old Scott at the end of the series is movie Scott
That was my reading too, movie Scott never really learned his lesson so it doesn’t come as much of a shock that he would act that way
I am so sick of this modern trend of taking something beloved and advertising it as a remake/remaster and having everyone hyped only to do this big switcharoo and the thing is absolutely nothing like the original. Its not fun. This, FF7, etc. I feel like its lying instead of being upfront and saying its a completely new story. It kills my hype/enjoyment.
I think Scott Pilgrim Takes Off is the moment when an author looks at their work and realize that they've grown pass it, not in a bad way but in the way of how humans change everyday meanwhile other things don't, and decide that it's time for it to grown alongside it's author an audience, to be brought up to modernity so to speak. It's a love letter to the original.
I would say that it's similar to things like Fionna & Cake from Adventure Time or in a mote direct parallel... Cinderella III a Twist in Time.
Yeah.... I was gonna give Netflix a chance after One Piece but now i think im done with Netflix. Maybe even American TV/Movies.
Really? One piece was mid at best
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So wait how come when this show doesn’t put focus on its title character Scott Pilgrim it’s okay, yet when 02 the beginning doesn’t focus on its digi destined it’s not?
I'll gladly explain. 02 The Beginning put all of its focus on a NEW character and his Digimon, largely ignoring the entire original cast. This anime shifted focus off ONE of the original characters and instead goes on a deep dive into the REST of the original cast. Super different from 02 The Beginning.
Now, if Davis had minimal screen and 02 The Beginning instead was a rich deep dive into Yolei, Ken, Kari, TK, Cody etc. THEN it would be an ample comparison. And just like Scott Pilgrim Takes Off, I'd be interested in that.
Instead, 02 The Beginning went all in on Rui.
Honestly, I think it's good question. But I would imagine his response would be that the plot of the movie wasn't so good, but perhaps the story of SP was at least decent?
@@thedigiknow Well given the story they wanted to tell with The Beginning I don't think it would have worked well with any of the old characters. They clearly had them play the role mentor to Rui to help mend his relationship with Ukkomon.
Now this might just be me but I'm not sure what kind of deep dive you can do with the 02 cast at their current age that relates to Digimon. Especially after Kizuna.
I mainly ask this because I'm seeing a lot of people rage over the new Scott Pilgram anime for similar reasons you did. Except they don't care about it focusing on the old characters. They care about how they were mislead into thinking this was going to be a faithful adaptation of the story. And that the focus is on Ramona because they think it's an agenda to push girl boss mentality and devaluing men shit dumb content creators like to spew.
The whole "this isn't what we were promised" angle is why I brought up your opinions on 02 since it felt similar to how people felt about this anime. But people who liked the change for both did like the new focus. Whether it was on a new or old character. It also helped people liked Rui until Meiko in Tri.
@@FireFury190 While I get what you're saying with "not what we were promised" things, there's also the fact that 02 The Beginning was understood by fans to be a 02 sequel that ended up not being terribly interested in 02. Scott Pilgrim was understood by fans to be a remake that ended up being a sort of sequel.
It's just too different. But I get why you would make the comparison given the proximity of my two videos and me liking one and not the other.
@@thedigiknow I mean Rui and Ukkomon were part of the marketing for the Beginning. I’m pretty sure we all knew going in it would about the 02 cast helping him. We just didn’t expect a lot of the run time to on Rui’s backstory. And given there are fans that do know why this had to be a story with the 02 kids I wouldn’t say the film wasn’t not interested in telling a 02 story. Especially since the 02 cast were known to help other digi-destined with all the international kids. I think it just stings more because the 02 kids had been sidelined for years in Tri and Kizuna. Had they not been I don’t think their role in the beginning being supper for Rui wouldn’t have been as bad to some fans.
I started watching the Scott Pilgrim show to watch Scott and he's barely in the show lmfao
Should've called rhe show Ramona Flowers
The Netflix animation , follows the movie timeline.
I mean I knew something up when they had a different subtitle. They literally called it Scott Pilgrim TAKES OFF. The major twist was already laid out right there. It just was a bit more subtle for most people I guess.
I disagree with your comparisons to FF7R and Eva because they STILL exist in the same medium, people wouldn't have anywhere near as big a problem if it was a different BOOK series instead of taunting people with what they wanted and then delivering something different, you can still WATCH a different Eva anime or PLAY a different FF7 but there's NO animated alternative to what people ACTUALLY WANTED
Fair counterpoint!
I think the Eva comparison is very much confirmed by the huge Eva reference during the skateboard chase scene.
The Rebuild of Eva comparison fits when you view Takes Off as "author examining his work after some life-altering events". Spoilers below obviously.
- Hideaki Anno become depressed after working on Evangelion and increasingly bitter of Evangelion because the death threats he got during the original run production.
The only person who helped him through that was his wife and Hideaki Anno put a "self-insert" of his wife in Rebuild as Maki in 2.0, and that's why at the end of Rebuild Shinji ends up together with Maki in the real world. The story-arc of Rebuild can be summed up as Anno's accepting the legacy of his own work, re-examining the characters and how the fandoms view them, and ultimately, moving on.
- Brian O'Malley went through a divorce which hits hard for him because he admitted that Ramona Flowers was inspired by his now-ex wife.
That's why the last two episodes revolved around divorce. Takes Off is basically O'Malley working through his bitterness and anger. The story-arc of Takes Off can be summed up as O'Malley's realizing that there were still issues in Scott-Ramona relationship that were never properly resolved, re-examining their relations and how the fandoms view them,
And in the end, cherishing the good memories. Instead of trying to destroying or preventing it like Old Scott did.
Plus, he's also NEVER interested in proper faithful adaptations of the books because he wants the books to be their own thing. He wants all "Scott Pilgrim" media to be unique but still revolves around the same theme and characters. Whether you agree or disagree with that, that's the creative vision that he has made clear several times even before promoting the show.
This is a consistent thing for O’Malley tho he likes to not just readapt 1 for 1
I always find these arguments bad faith. The complaint isn't the quality nor the substance but rather the idea that Scott isn't the point of view character.
Like I can guarantee that you found no fault in the Boys adaptation despite it changes a whole lot from the comics and being its own thing. Nor did you find any issues with how the spiderman movies changed character and how peter was portrayed, but because the main character was something called Peter Parker you were fine with it.
This is my opinion. This is “what if” Scott dies. Like a fanfic created by fan with good budget.
Why not change the name into Ramona Flower vs her ex instead of Scott pilgrim?
It wouldn’t sell I guess. Bait and switch at it’s finest. Why can’t they just stick to the source material that Scott pilgrim fans want.
I can honestly say, if they didnt market it for a cheap shitty twist I would ave enjoyed the show. The only reason I can think of to actually hide the twist is to not get review bombed instantly before people watch it from the anti woke movement. Spoiler free issue - pacing was trash. Spoiler issue -
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Scott Should have been gone for 2 episodes MAX. At least show the flashback as it happens in the story along side the main story to have him in more episodes! livid.
You could say Scott.... takes off.
Takes off is generic and vague to help disguise the 'twist'. The marketing is the issue. I would agree with you if not for every single trailer pointing towards a remake.@@nicklausinthehouse8214
As someone who knows the gist of the story before, I think it's great. It's definitely a Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity situation. Obviously it matters that the marketing was weird, but honestly I think it's fine because that's the point. I don't know if the creators promised anywhere that it would be an exact adaptation or if it was just a fan assumption.
I think it's a great shift in focus, re-telling and re-examining of the original story. Some fans will probably complain that it "invalidates" the original or something, which happens in Digimon at times, but at the end of the day the stories of the comics, movie, game, and anime all exist separately. None of them really "invalidate" any other. I enjoyed the characters they chose to focus on, the animation and music was incredible.
It’s a good remix for the fans.
So many characters got fixed and developed further
It's not anime.
I think it's fun that every iteration of Scott Pilgrim is its own thing, the events of this show happen because of the future of the events of the original story, so yeah, pretty much a new game + with a hidden true ending, and honestly, I prefer it this way. We already have the comics, the movie and the game, for the newest adaptation doing the same exact thing would be too predictable, and too boring.
The story in this feels less like a genuine trick to get people to watch something they wouldn't, And more like a devious switch.
It doesn't make character feel like they are not themselves and tries its darndest to make them charming, Whether by humor or their interactions. Because it loves who the characters are.
Though if the major reveal was meant to uproot the happy ending of the original and not something completely separate like the Jerk Harem ending in the game, THEN i take issue with the changes.
Though it's probably separate given blatant love the creators of the show have for the original with all their effort.
I binge watched this i was so disappointed
It reminded me of Steins Gate Zero, in the way that it was like an alternate version of the story with the same characters involved.
I guess you can say the creator of Scott Pilgrim basically decided he's not going to give a l on 1 retelling his fans wanted and instead decide to do his characters justice after so many years by creating something original.
Classic Netflix
netflix didnt have anything to do with the story, the creator confirmed it
Netflix gets a lot of flack for just hosting the show even tho they weren't involved in it, lol
@@Bulsara777 how many conservative shows are there in Netflix? How many alphabet people have shows? There is a trope of THE MESSAGE in Netflix.
It was great. Honestly just tired of peoples opinions. They get something for nothing and still complain because it’s not what THEY wanted. Grow up people
Netflix costs money
Well, I figured it would be crap and it is so I was right.
Scott Pilgrim is just as bad as Big Bang Theory for showing what real nerd life is like. Overdramatic unrealistic bullshit with shit like beautiful girlfriends that fall all over loser nerds
Yikes
Check out the comic, the anime is is a poor reflection of the series due to how badly written it is. The biggest part of the comic is how well written all the characters are in terms of growth, and world building.
I think you’re giving O’Malley WAY too much credit. In current year, all straight white male heroes have to be humiliated and destroyed, all female characters have to be empowered, and under no circumstances can a male character save a female one. A faithful adaptation of Scott Piigrim could never be allowed to be made in the present climate, especially on Netflix. So, in order to get this made, the show had to be adapted accordingly. I do think they tried to make something good within that framework, but beyond the high quality animation, it didn’t work for me. Came across as far too agenda driven.
You seem to think Scott was a saint in the books, he wasn’t. Scott was a god awful scummy dude, the way he treated all his ex’s was heinous. It makes sense how he would end up in this sequel to the books, but facing that future he now has a chance to change and grow
@@doomedbringer And Ramona was a saint? I find it funny the amount of people justifying Scott's absence with how terrible he was but then ignore that Ramona was just as bad. He doesn't even have a journey, he's just spoonfed the story and suddenly he's better at the last minute.
@@doomedbringer not at all! He had a LOT of growing up to do, which he did over the course of the story. Here he doesn’t even get to do that as he was absent through most of it
@@Feliciathedoll oh god your post is true cringe. Please seek mental help.
@@Biostar96 did I say she was? No I didn’t, it’s ok reading can be hard
They wasted my time and my hope. I am not psyched about many things but I was super stoked to have a more in depth look at one of my favorite ips. I sat there as each and every episode made me less and less happy until I turned off what was supposed to be one of my favorite comic books turned favorite movies turned favorite game turned anime but instead it was some joke being played on me and at my expense, I guess for being a fan for so long. "HA HA! DID YOU WANT AN ANIME VERSION OF YOUR FAVORITE COMIC WITH KNIVES COOL RACIST NINJA DAD?! HOW BOUT SOMETHING BETTER?"...I sat barely able to contain my excitement. Ears perked and eyes dewey, Shaking like a lil baby goat that had just been born. " REMEMBER HOW SCOTT PILGRIM BEAT UP ALL OF RAMONAS EVIL X'S?! WELL, PEEP THIS! AHEM* WE KILL SCOTT IMMEDIATELY AND WE SPEND THE ENTIRETY OF THE SEASON WITH RAMONA AS SHE SEEKS CLOSURE...EH?! EHHH!? BETTER RIGHT?!" I shuttered, shattered, and scattered like a million tiny sad roaches. They ruined it. Its unwatchable. They decided to feed me some hackneyed reboot with out anything I could even justify watching. Should of called it," Ramona Reimagined" ...that way i could just say its not for me and not that they ruined scott pilgrim. Sucks.