How To Replace Spider Gears

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  • @morerandomvids648
    @morerandomvids648 Рік тому +5

    Finally, thank you for showing the whole process. Every video I've watched was only showing how to take the cross pin out. So glad I found this video.

  • @GabrielOrtizUAP
    @GabrielOrtizUAP 4 місяці тому

    The reassembly part of the spider gears was the exact thing that I needed to see to get mine back together. Thank you.

  • @jeromewieland55
    @jeromewieland55 3 роки тому +2

    I just bought a 05 dodge ram that someone had "rebuilt" the reverend. The crush sleeve wasn't crushed to spec, and the smaller spider gears didn't have the thrust washers. I wish people would watch more videos like yours, huge thanks!!!

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  3 роки тому +3

      That's part of the reason I make these videos!

  • @JasonDiggs
    @JasonDiggs Рік тому +6

    Wow, you made this look easy. Thanks for the demonstration!

  • @piddlespoot8700
    @piddlespoot8700 Рік тому

    Thank you for posting this video. You just made this job way less scary for me.

  • @keving7942
    @keving7942 Рік тому +1

    Thank you for this video one of the most informative I've seen

  • @ninsar5765
    @ninsar5765 5 місяців тому

    Perfect How-To video. Awesome! But, need advice. '01 Wrangler 4.0, 5-speed. My current issue is with the Dana 44-rear. Recently regeared from 3.73 to 4.88. Replaced the carrier (standard, non-locker). Installed new spider gears. Everything went well. All of my "dial-ins" were set perfectly. However, 8 months later while "chirping" 2nd gear, several teeth on the spider gears blew out. I did use the cheapest of spider gears at the time of regearing, Motive Gear brand. I'm about to replace with a Yukon spider gear set. I've been "chirping" during gear changes for decades, here & there. Never had an issue. Of course, chirping is very hard on all the components, we all know this. But this is the first time I've ever blown out any gears. And my honest opinion is, I think the cheap Motive Gear brand is just a much softer metal and is the reason for the blow out. But I'm hoping for your very well-experienced professional opinion. Would you agree or could there be another reason the spider gears would have blown out (other than the heavy torque from chirping)? Also, is there any advice not given in your How-To video that I would want to keep in mind when replacing the spider gears with the Yukon brand? Thanks Mike! Definitely appreciate all of your videos!

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  5 місяців тому

      I would say with confidence that "chirping" is your issue. You can do it as much as you want....until something fails. Motive gears and not bad gears at all. If you want to chirp, might I suggest a Mustang 😁

  • @Gordon013
    @Gordon013 2 роки тому

    Thank's for the videos. About to do 4.56 in a dana 30 high pinion and it requires a different carrier. Hopefully the spider gears look good or I'll be ordering a new set.

  • @REsuperGRX7
    @REsuperGRX7 3 роки тому

    thanks for the video, was trying to get this all done with carrier still in the pumpkin on the truck, can get the spiders in but spits the thrust washers out. guess ill just try pulling it all out and do it on the bench. thanks for the tips.

  • @matthewkagarice3391
    @matthewkagarice3391 2 роки тому +1

    I didn’t see the part of your video where you removed the axles. I guess I will have to find a different video to figure that part out. Other than skipping that step your video was good, thanks .

    • @2000ViperGTSsubscribe
      @2000ViperGTSsubscribe 9 місяців тому

      All are different depending on the diff. Some unbolt from outside the diff, some are C clips, some are all external halfshafts, et cetera.

  • @paulp2835
    @paulp2835 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome video. It's given me the confidence to tackle this job myself now.
    Question - I have two shredded spider gears. What do you recommend to use as a cleaning solution to clean the internals of the housing, ring gear, pinion and ensure the metal shards are removed?

  • @LumpyFPV
    @LumpyFPV 3 місяці тому

    Great thought, but how do I get the carrier out with the axles still attached to (splined through) the spider gears? In order to get the C clips off the axles to remove the axles been the gears, you've got to push the axles in, and in order to push the axles in the cross pin needs to come out first... Right? I'm no expert, so I'm genuinely asking. Is there something I'm missing? Obviously taking the carrier and gears out all together would be the simplest option, but without being able to get the axles out of the way how can I remove the whole carrier assembly?

  • @flatboat67
    @flatboat67 2 роки тому +1

    great video. What is typical side gear shim clearance? Thank you.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому +1

      I haven't ever seen one the same.

  • @brindenjames6057
    @brindenjames6057 Місяць тому

    Is there anyone who supplies jk rubicon dana 44 front spider gears? Wondering if the non rubicon spider gears would work for the stock rubi elocker.
    Love all your content! Most helpful tutorials on UA-cam🙌.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Місяць тому

      @@brindenjames6057 stock spiders will not work. The Rubi's have always been a thorn since the TJ's with no serviceable parts.

  • @oswaldoproano1972
    @oswaldoproano1972 Рік тому

    Really nice video...Thanks!!. Are those spider gears the same for both rear and front DANA 30 differentials??

  • @jaylanpowell2538
    @jaylanpowell2538 2 роки тому +1

    Would you recommend drilling a crosspin bolt out if its broken? I seen in the video you daid to knock it out with a punch but I didnt want to damage the threads.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому +1

      You can damage the threads with a drill bit too. I suppose you could and then use an easy out. If it doesn't start coming out easily, you might add some heat to it before proceeding.

  • @EgorGert
    @EgorGert 3 роки тому

    thank you very much for your work! tell me - is the backlash on the flange when you rotate it back and forth, is it straightened by washers both on the shank and on the satellites? that is, most likely, you need to do a full revision?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  3 роки тому

      I don't quite understand your question....

  • @cameronweaver9124
    @cameronweaver9124 3 роки тому

    Awesome content ! I’m always learning from you.

  • @davidclark3147
    @davidclark3147 10 місяців тому

    Thanks dude that's a big help

  • @hines1005
    @hines1005 Рік тому

    Thank you for the video!!

  • @olopolorolo
    @olopolorolo 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for that video! Much appreciated! I recently replaced the wave discs and the two conical discs underneath those four gears because the gears had a looot of play making a helicopter noise when not under load. Putting the gears back in place was really really hard, because there was so much pretension on those wave discs... The diff sounds fine now, but I am still wondering...

  • @AlexSmith-xm8ky
    @AlexSmith-xm8ky 2 роки тому

    just watched this vid, really informative. im wanting to know 2 things . pre-load, is this not affected as pinion hasnt been removed - so diff in the vid should be good to roll .. ?? 2ndly if the pinion seal needed replacing is there any good or bad time replace during the process shown here.. thanks

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому +1

      If you are only replacing the carrier bearings, then no, it doesn't affect pinion preload. If you are replacing the pinion bearings too, but not changing out gears, then theoretically it won't negatively affect preload. In fact, new pinion bearings will increase preload back to near spec. Now if you have the pinion out to change the bearings, then change the seal while you're in there already.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому +1

      And the seal can be replaced at anytime. If using a crush sleeve, then my recommendation is to get a new crush sleeve although people have had success reusing them. If you reuse, be sure to get the preload to where it was and you must use red loctite on the pinion nut if reusing that.

    • @AlexSmith-xm8ky
      @AlexSmith-xm8ky 2 роки тому

      @@TheBFHGarage im about to change some busted spider gears in a Dana 27 ( 63 stude Lark) .. bearings were running noiselessly so no bearing change - aside from a superclean- hoping to swap spiders but have concerns re preload... thanks

    • @AlexSmith-xm8ky
      @AlexSmith-xm8ky 2 роки тому

      @@TheBFHGarage perfect thanks

  • @gbouchara
    @gbouchara 3 роки тому

    Amazing Videos!, to change the spider gears on arb locker carrier is the same procedure?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  3 роки тому

      No. To change out ARB internals you have to pull the locker out and remove the ring gear.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  3 роки тому

      @@gbouchara I would just to be sure I reinstalled it correctly.

    • @gbouchara
      @gbouchara 3 роки тому

      3 minutes ago
      If I remove the gear, I will have to measure backlash when reinstalling the locker in the differential right?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  3 роки тому

      @@gbouchara technically you wouldn't have to. You aren't changing anything at all except internals. You should be able to put the ring gear right back on and reinstall it. I like to check backlash before and after out of habit just to make sure I reinstalled it correctly.

    • @gbouchara
      @gbouchara 3 роки тому

      Thank you so much! I am going to watch the video on how to use the tools 😀👍

  • @JohnHarkins-uj6uz
    @JohnHarkins-uj6uz 5 місяців тому

    How do you get that thing out with your screwdriver

  • @ronh8717
    @ronh8717 3 роки тому

    Great video just subscribed

  • @Astro_GSD
    @Astro_GSD Рік тому

    My spider gears broke some teeth today on the jk . I’m tackling the job myself

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Рік тому

      Glad the video helps out. The process can vary slightly from model to model but is generally the same.

    • @Astro_GSD
      @Astro_GSD Рік тому

      Awesome the local mechanic is charging 2,000 for this job I was curious and called lol

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Рік тому

      @@Astro_GSD they bid high because they don't want the job but will do it for a high price. You could install a locker and do a regear for that price.

    • @Astro_GSD
      @Astro_GSD Рік тому

      That’s insane I’m taking my time marketing everything and taking lots of pictures thank you for the awesome information

  • @filitamayo
    @filitamayo Рік тому

    Do you have to adjust backlash being that you didn't remove the pinion gear. I'm replacing mine with a direct oem fit upgraded differential.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Рік тому +1

      If all you're doing is changing spider gears, then no. But if you are changing gears too then yes.

    • @filitamayo
      @filitamayo Рік тому

      @@TheBFHGarage thank you . Appreciate the response.

  • @Lizard6376
    @Lizard6376 Рік тому

    What is this "Wrench trick" you speak of? Mine has a lot of preload keeping it in the housing

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Рік тому

      Put a box wrench on a ring gear bolt and then turn the pinion. The wrench will stop against the housing and the carrier will walk right out. Be sure to turn the correct way as one way forces it out and the other tightens it.

    • @Lizard6376
      @Lizard6376 Рік тому +1

      Thank you that worked perfectly.
      Do you ever see any issues as a result of beveling that one tooth on the ring gear? I know the pinion still has a lot of surface area to contact there, it just feels scary lol @@TheBFHGarage

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Рік тому

      @@Lizard6376 yeah you can take too much off. You really need to take a good look at it and see if you can take very little off or commit to just taking the ring gear off.

  • @boournscanucks
    @boournscanucks Рік тому +1

    My thrust washers won’t go in no matter what I do. Any advice?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Рік тому +1

      Put them in place on the spider gears and roll the gear in place. It's sometimes impossible to slide the thrust washer with gear not exposed.

    • @lorenzomonsanto9809
      @lorenzomonsanto9809 7 місяців тому

      My thrust washer got broken into pieces and got the other piece in drain magnet plug during change gear oil, do I need to replace it boss? Or it just okay to continue running?

  • @RalphSampson...
    @RalphSampson... 2 роки тому

    Not that it matters but, wouldn't it be the inside wheel that chirps when driving around a corner?

  • @bingobandit
    @bingobandit 2 місяці тому

    Question. I have 98 Tj dana 44 30 tooth ring gear. I want to get rid of the sloppy lunchbox and install spider gears. What gears would be more highway friendly higher I prefer.

  • @giggythore
    @giggythore 2 роки тому

    Do you have to do anything with preload if you're only putting in new spider gears / thrust washers?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому +1

      Nope. Replace spiders and you're good to go.

    • @giggythore
      @giggythore 2 роки тому

      @@TheBFHGarage you rock, thanks man

  • @excitationofstereocilia2103
    @excitationofstereocilia2103 11 місяців тому

    If my carrier and those bearing caps were gone can I buy replacement caps and buy a carrier and install them it's a dana7o 2wd thank you?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  11 місяців тому

      No. The bearing caps are specific to the housing. They are machined with the housing. If you have no caps, you need a new axle.

  • @lorenzomonsanto9809
    @lorenzomonsanto9809 7 місяців тому

    My Thrust washer of nissan navarra 2018 got broken into pieces the other one got into magnet drain plug and the other one stocked up in the spider gear inside do i need to worry changing it asap or is it okay to continue running the said vehicle?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  7 місяців тому

      That won't last long at all.

  • @monteboy87
    @monteboy87 3 роки тому

    How are you able to get the spider gears in with such ease? It's a really tight fit and those washers behind them are super hard to keep in place.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  3 роки тому

      Put them in from the open sides and then rotate the gears. The thrust washers you just have to work them in.

    • @monteboy87
      @monteboy87 3 роки тому +1

      Mine keeps spitting them out. They are chewed up pretty bad now. Where do you source new ones? Are they selectable?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  3 роки тому

      @@monteboy87 You have to be patient when inserting them...make sure they are directly behind the gears as you rotate them in. What do you mean are they selectable?

  • @landon4278
    @landon4278 2 роки тому

    Curious why you would grind down a gear tooth instead of remove the ring gear?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому

      Taking just enough tooth to remove a crosspin is a very common practice. It allows for a quick spider gear change. If you take the ring gear off, you can alter the pattern which could potentially create issues. In addition, ring gear bolts are designed for one time use which would require buying a new set and going through the install process. Some people opt to re-use ring gear bolts, and have experienced success. I'm just not one of them. If I'm in there, I'm doing it to where I don't have to worry about it.

  • @Crazyglue22
    @Crazyglue22 11 місяців тому

    Thanks brother

  • @Twiddlerdammit
    @Twiddlerdammit Рік тому

    I just installed new spider gears in my Dana 30 front axle and mine are VERY tight. I can't spin them at all. Any suggestions?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Рік тому

      Did you lather them in gear oil (along with the thrust washers)? At the correct part number? Any damage to the carrier?

    • @Twiddlerdammit
      @Twiddlerdammit Рік тому

      @@TheBFHGarage no, should be, I don't see any damage.
      The spider gears are from Summit Racing and seem visually to be very similar, but just really... Really tight.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Рік тому +1

      Try rotating them with the axle shaft using a helper🤷

    • @Twiddlerdammit
      @Twiddlerdammit Рік тому

      @@TheBFHGarageThe spider gears arrived in a bag with gear oil over all of the parts, so I believe that lubrication wasn't the problem. I will post updates as I resolve this, so anyone else who has this problem can learn. I do appreciate your responses.

    • @Twiddlerdammit
      @Twiddlerdammit Рік тому

      A little history; this Jeep was stuck in the driver's side front corner, basically on the wheel. The axle tubes are out of alignment with each other, the lower control arm mount was smashed over ( I'll be replacing those), the front drive shaft is bent, and the axle tubes are leaking fluid. The spider gears were tearing themselves up due to the axle misalignment and I'm wondering if the carrier is tweaked, but I just can't see it.

  • @theguybroseph
    @theguybroseph 2 роки тому +1

    Does this work the same for a dana 44?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому +2

      Yes, the only difference is that a Dana 44 doesn't have C clips. The axle shafts are held in by 4 retaining nuts on the ends of the tubes. Depending on gear ratio you may or may not have to shave a tooth to pull the cross pin.

    • @theguybroseph
      @theguybroseph 2 роки тому

      @@TheBFHGarage I appreciate it! Thanks!

  • @MJadeMcGregor
    @MJadeMcGregor Рік тому

    Can one change the bearings? Should we ?

  • @KaiMiller
    @KaiMiller 9 місяців тому

    How far in am I supposed to hit that pin in there?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  9 місяців тому +1

      Hold it on the outside at the pin and it will show you

    • @KaiMiller
      @KaiMiller 9 місяців тому

      @@TheBFHGarage thank you man

  • @worldfitnesstrainerradekve9234
    @worldfitnesstrainerradekve9234 2 місяці тому

    Mine are 2 teeths on each sides so i have to remove the big wheel..
    Can i put the same bolts in ? And do i have to measure it? I waited 3 weeks for parts in hawaii . I need the car ready next week . What can i do ?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 місяці тому

      @@worldfitnesstrainerradekve9234 yes you can remove the big wheel (ring gear). Yes you can reuse bolts BUT, you must clean them AND the ring gear thoroughly with brakleen. Then you must use red loctite when you put them back in. Be sure to torque the ring gear bolts to the spec of the axle. No need to measure if this is all you are doing.

    • @worldfitnesstrainerradekve9234
      @worldfitnesstrainerradekve9234 2 місяці тому

      Can i use blue lock title? I need to figure out how to loses and tighten the bolts i im in regular home garage not special tools . Any idea the spec to tight the bolts? I have exactly same differential as yours from jeep wrangler 2017 DANA 44 unlimited sahara .
      Thank you 🙏

    • @worldfitnesstrainerradekve9234
      @worldfitnesstrainerradekve9234 2 місяці тому

      Just took it apart and ordered the wrong spider gears ⚙️ 🙈 mine has Trac Lok carrier posi 30 it’s $600 on eBay just the spider gears but the whole assembly it’s half price but then need press the bearings. So another issue don’t have press unlessI can hit it with a hammer then not sure if the previous shims fits ..

  • @seraph8672
    @seraph8672 2 роки тому

    Any reason besides time, to not just unbolt the ring gear from the carrier rather than dremel the tooth down?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому +2

      In addition to time, ring gear bolts are designed as a one time use bolt. Additional cost for new bolts. Also removing the ring gear can alter the pattern ever so slightly. Some people have good luck with red loctite when re-using the ring gear bolts. It's just not worth the chance for me to risk things falling apart later on.

    • @seraph8672
      @seraph8672 2 роки тому

      @@TheBFHGarage That makes sense. Thanks for taking the time to reply :D

  • @angelbenavides5784
    @angelbenavides5784 Рік тому

    Im working on my 02 suburban 1500 rear wheel drive. I have the carrier unbolted, but no shimmy or wiggle to pull out, do I need to have the truck in neutral??

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Рік тому

      Do you have the axle shafts pulled out?

    • @angelbenavides5784
      @angelbenavides5784 Рік тому

      @@TheBFHGarage yes I do

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  Рік тому

      @Angel Benavides I just want to confirm that you're trying to remove the carrier from the housing. If that is the case then put a box wrench on one of the ring gear bolts and turn the pinion or drive shaft until the carrier starts to walk out. It will be one way or the other. Be sure somebody's there to catch the carrier and the shim so they don't fall out because you don't want to mix up your shims! Go to my video "how to Re-Gear a Dana 30" and then go to the 2 minute mark. It will show you what I'm talking about.

    • @angelbenavides5784
      @angelbenavides5784 Рік тому

      @@TheBFHGarage much Thanks 🙏

    • @angelbenavides5784
      @angelbenavides5784 Рік тому

      So then I do put the truck in neutral right? So I can turn the pinion or shaft?? I only have the rear of the truck lifted

  • @robertfrancisco1193
    @robertfrancisco1193 5 місяців тому

    will the prosses be the same for a 2015 dana 44?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  5 місяців тому

      The process is virtually the same but you will most likely have to remove the ring gear.

    • @robertfrancisco1193
      @robertfrancisco1193 5 місяців тому

      @@TheBFHGarage stupid question why the ring gear removel.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  5 місяців тому

      @@robertfrancisco1193 thick cut gears may be too thick to allow the cross pin to come out.

    • @robertfrancisco1193
      @robertfrancisco1193 5 місяців тому

      @@TheBFHGarage ok thanks trying to get enough info before i start the job

  • @dickydk01
    @dickydk01 10 місяців тому

    Hai sir, axle what is this?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  10 місяців тому +1

      I think it was a Dana 30 or Dana 35....I can't remember.

  • @thematrixhasme4695
    @thematrixhasme4695 2 роки тому

    This the same process on a Dana 44 jk rear axle?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому

      It will be virtually identical if it's an open carrier.

  • @1000hpwnd
    @1000hpwnd 11 місяців тому

    Dang it why bmw made it so tight, had to bash out with hammer those spider gears, not sure how i’m gonna put together 😂

  • @jeffgood6441
    @jeffgood6441 10 місяців тому

    Those spider gears at shrapnal from a diff going out

  • @Brian1hHansen-xx2es
    @Brian1hHansen-xx2es 4 місяці тому

    04 envoy pin replacement

  • @SgtAwesome97
    @SgtAwesome97 2 роки тому

    I'm trying to replace my spider gears on my 99 silverado 1500, and for some reason the new ones won't go in, it's like they're slightly too big for some reason. Any ideas as to why? Am I going to have to get a slightly larger carrier for them?

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому

      As long as you are sure you purchased the correct spiders for your truck, they should fit. There isn't a "slightly larger" carrier. Installing new spider gears can be a pain in the@$$ sometimes. Try rotating them as you are working them in. The thrust washers need to roll right in with them. It is almost like a puzzle sometimes trying to figure out what it takes to get them to go in. Keep at it and good luck!

    • @SgtAwesome97
      @SgtAwesome97 2 роки тому

      @@TheBFHGarage Huh, weird because the gears I got came directly from another 99 silverado 1500 rear end, and they fit into that one just fine. What causing the problem is that the side gears, the ones connected to the axles are slightly taller than the older ones when I set em base down. I don't know why they fit just fine in the other one, but not mine.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому

      @@SgtAwesome97 I thought you bought new gears. if you are using used spiders then make sure it has the exact same axle and carrier. All bets are off using used gears unless they come out of the exact same donor axle. if one has limited slip and the other doesn't, that could be an issue although I've never run into that problem. How many years did silverado run? slight changes between them all, but not sure about axles.

    • @SgtAwesome97
      @SgtAwesome97 2 роки тому

      @@TheBFHGarage They're both limited slip differentials. Internally they look exactly the same, minus the fact that 75% of my old ones gear teeth were turned into metal shavings and pieces. I just don't get why the gears fit into the new one fine and not into mine. It's from the exact same make, model, and year of truck.

    • @TheBFHGarage
      @TheBFHGarage  2 роки тому

      @@SgtAwesome97 interesting...yet frustrating!

  • @muddyboots-mac
    @muddyboots-mac 3 місяці тому

    nice content, i have a problem with my hilux and the free play was abnormal, when i open the housing i found out that the cross pin 05:20 is loose and the hole is not the fit for the pin, it is difficult to find the rear diff casing and mostly they sell in a complete set. From your opinion what is the cause the diff casing cross pin to damaged,
    ua-cam.com/users/shortszja66DHoO5M

  • @TripleTHC420
    @TripleTHC420 2 роки тому

    Really...

  • @whodathunkithuh1001
    @whodathunkithuh1001 2 роки тому

    Bruh, I know this is an old video, but you rotated the side gears back into the opposite positions from original location. Not a good idea.

    • @ninsar5765
      @ninsar5765 5 місяців тому +1

      WoW! You are 100% correct! I didn't even catch that until after reading your comment and viewing the video again. Obviously, it's best to reinstall them in the same locations in which they came from but I'm curious as to how critical it is to do so. Mike...? Any input on this matter?