@@ChiefJudge if anything that one who was his right hand man was always on his case and got jealous of him for even being considered clemency in the first place, had he not pressure Said he would've been out and may be still alive in the show
This scene changed up everything I ever expected from a television drama. Powerful beyond words while remaining every bit as poignant and relevant today as it was in 1998.
Such an amazing character, the way the writers wrote this dude is amazing. I mean he's a complete inspiration to me!! Brother Kareem Said is awesome!!!
@@abdelkaderbenzorgat2391 Not really. His depiction as a Muslim man is not 100% accurate, it's also shown in the praying scenes. But his mannerisms, sheer will and such things like that are showing that he's a true Muslim.
It's basically an even bigger "fuck you" to the Governor than a bullet in some ways for a prisoner to refuse his own freedom. His message was stronger than Hughes who used a gun on Devlin.
The pride in that man's eyes is all i will ever strive towards. That is a man any race eligion whatever, should be thankful to witness. Shades of Malcolm
Quite simple.....the best scene in OZ. We thought it was the way Kareem Said left the show, through freedom. However he remained by showing by reminding us of his character and his absolute belief to do the right thing NO MATTER the cost. This moment was magic watching it for the first time
Imagine guys back in 1998, seeing in the same episode Beecher getting arms and legs broken, Alvarez taking eyes of a man and Said refusing clemency… gaddammmm
It's crazy to see Oz completely silent, everyone's attention is on the TV, watching someone they spent years with, someone they might not even like because of prison politics but nonetheless, they're watching in complete silence as Said talks about them being separated from those they care about as the camera pans and shows everyones' face. Once again, everyone inside Oz is riveted by Said's words but this time it's on TV instead of inside Emerald City. Then, for the reaction of a lifetime, Oz erupts into yells of disbelief as they react to Said refuse Devlin's pardon.
@Joel Johnson And like a year later, he kills Adebisi, didn't he? It's like we're watching Beecher's story, done better(?). Instead of Crazy mode being used too early, it was a slow boil that peaked by Season 4, which my old circle declared the True Final Season.
@@Empyriummann I'm sorry to necropost, but that crazy dude that killed Said was even worse. Just comes outta nowhere, almost teleporting, and blasting him and stabbing Omar like Crazy Beecher would've. And a couple episodes later? He wasn't used again. But then again, Season 6 was dogshit. Absolute, insane, painful dogshit. They killed Glynn because I dunno, they brought the Wheelchair guy back because I dunno, they brought the other dead dudes back too because I dunno... Yet I still debate whether Season 5 was worse.
I saw "Big Love" before this, he is a full-on creeper in that show. Didn't surprise me that he was playing a full-blown scumbag here lol. He just has that face I guess.
What's sad is that while this was a power move, Said had a real rought 2 seasons following this. He pretty much lost his power until the end of season 4.
Said who killed the most powerful dude in Oz that being Adebisi, fucked up Schillinger and Robson and also beat the fuck out of Omar who is killed by a guy who looked like he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag? That was stupid.
One of the greatest scenes in TV history. One of the greatest characters on TV shows. Shows complexity of man. Character surely had biggest ego I have witnessed but was trying to do a right thing and hold right values
Man, this was one of the best episodes of Oz. A lot of crazy shit happened in this 1 hour. Mark Mack gets killed, Beecher gets his limbs and his heart broken, Adebisi loses the only guy he really cared about and goes insane, Nappa gains control over the tits, Wangler becomes the de facto leader of the Homeboys, Alvarez rips out Rivera's eyes and goes crazy, Schillinger kills Sippel, O'Reilly confesses and tells the truth about his crimes,Said rejecting Devlin's offer and to top it all off, an amazing foreshadowing for Augustus. Damn, what an episode.
Eamonn Walker is as versatile an Actor as we will probably find in the profession of acting, simply brilliant. How is another brilliant actor lost to America once more ?.
"And so, Governor Devlin, because even the cost of freedom can be too high, I refuse your pardon! Give it to someone else instead, someone who doesn't give a damn about integrity and principles." Vernon Schillinger: "I'll take it." Devlin: "Ah, finally, a man with some common sense. Initiatives should be rewarded. Come on up here, mister, and receive your reward."
Kareem Said & Jefferson Keane where my favorite characters. But I really loved Kareem , if I was to ever date a muslim I would want him to be just like this brother here ^^^^ . Even though he was a prison of the system he did not let that shit get him down. He was a true leader & treated life like it was a chess game & he definitely knew how to play !. He was a real black men who loved other black man & tried to uplift them !!!!
Yep.. and Bruce Willis’s seal team in tears of the sun, unbreakable as the doctor at the beginning who discovers newborn baby Samuel l Jackson arms n legs broken, chief Boden on Chicago fire.. 👍👍😺
The governor who was using him as a pawn certainly wouldn’t start to turn around and help him free a bunch of prisoners, all of whom were guilty anyway.
That smile at the end, he knew freedom under spiritual bondage is not freedom at all. Freedom is being with those you love, care, and support. That is home… that to said… is freedom. Even within those walls.. 🎉
I like Said so much man when he and Augustus Hill died I felt like everyone started acting like cavemen😂😂 they were the only source of moral guidance in the show
Iv been rewatching this scene all week. I know it’s all fake and scripted but the energy he put in this speech has been keeping me motivated and going all week
For it’s time in the late 90s early 00s this show was just simply amazing, sure some of the content didn’t make sense but it’s tv and the audience loved it.
I'm still pissed nothing ever happened to Devlin. Like I so wish he got sent to Oz and put in GenPop with everyone he had sent away and screwed over and they all go after him. It would've been so fitting, but sadly no payoff after he conspired to kill Glynn.
Fuck that. Oz was hell,I would have taken that deal and worried about that moral shot on the outside. He could have destroyed dude campaign on the outside a free man.
"he actually had a family and was in there under bog circumstances anyway" That is why it would've been more powerful. That a man with every reason to get out of jail, would choose to stay on principle. It would've also shown how much Said had influenced him.
You can call it stupid refusing such a great opportunity, but that's for common men a man like Kareem sayeed stands for his principles even when the sweet taste of freedom is placed upon his tounge. I REFUSE YOUR PARDON
Despite doing this cause all the Muslims were guilt tripping him for receiving clemency out of jealousy, they still ended up betraying & humiliating him in the following season 🤦♂️
on the one hand he was my favourite character and wished he'd taken the clemency so he wouldnt die. on the other hand the rest of the show wouldve been boring without him
Such an intense scene, however I hated Arif after this. Never was thinking of anyone but himself and he basically guilt tripped Said for it. Even after Said gave up his freedom, Arif never seemed grateful.
What a way to End season 2 !!! Kareem at the beginning was really hard to like, but man .... He became one of my favorites caracteres, from this Kareem to the one on season 5 , u can tell how jail changes a man !!!!
that'd be dumb if Arif rejected it, he actually had a family and was in there under bog circumstances anyway...but he had reason to stay he had a gift of helping people...and he was better at helping people under those circumstances, most in the free world wouldn't have appreciated his gift the same...
One of the most ignorant scenes in this show. His brothers remain behind suppressed. SUPPRESSED because when they were free to choose they always chose chaos and destruction. But had Said had half of a brain he would have chosen freedom so that he could communicate with and save the ones that have not yet lost their freedom.
Agreed it was an awesome show, with tons of different and interesting characters. They just could have had characters move on, be released, and not have a 40+% fatality rate of getting rid of characters. Said being one of them.
I've often heard it said that inmates/criminals have no soul, no sense on what is corrupt nor what is just, no convictions, and no principles. DON'T EVER PUT KAREEM SAID'S NAME ON THAT LIST! Very powerful scene!
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Y'know what I digged? Every prisoner in OZ was paying attention to him.
That's power.
Old comment but facts he had white black and brown all ready and the way he said my brothers they all felt that shut
And few episodes later his muslim crew abandoned him. Pretty weak power if you ask me.
@@ChiefJudge As the saying goes:
_..."you either die a hero, or live long enough to become a villain."_
@@ChiefJudge if anything that one who was his right hand man was always on his case and got jealous of him for even being considered clemency in the first place, had he not pressure Said he would've been out and may be still alive in the show
All crews.
One of the best scenes in all of television series history
Absolutely!! Very powerful scene!!!
That’s a fact....
@Joel Johnson immediately
@Joel Johnson not to mention u cant just refuse a pardon, you would have to commit another crime to go back to oz
Also one of the best characters.
'How do I feel? I feel joyless'
And so begins one of the greatest speeches in television history.
I REFUSE YOUR PARDON!!!
Salam-Aleikum, my brother.
Kareem you're awesome.
@@alanze18 اخيرا لقيت عربي يتابع اوز المسلسل الاسطوري المظلوم
Yes, because Said said: "THE COST OF FREEDOM CAN BE TOO HIGH".
@@salbugs6327 اتفق معك التمثيل و الكتابة كانت شي خرافي.
Eamonn Walker is a great actor.
He's great in Lord of War too.
I remember him in the British sitcom till death do us part. Hes come so far its amazing
@@shamshirhussain8198 ain’t it bloody fair eh??
Yes he is
I wish he was in more things. He should be a leading man.
This scene changed up everything I ever expected from a television drama. Powerful beyond words while remaining every bit as poignant and relevant today as it was in 1998.
99 2000 01 02. Same ting. Nothing see. That hasn't already been done
No kidding
Said was stupid ! Only an idiot would refuse clemency
Americas industrialization of prison is a direct lineage of America’s industrialization of slavery.
Such an amazing character, the way the writers wrote this dude is amazing. I mean he's a complete inspiration to me!! Brother Kareem Said is awesome!!!
Al salam alikom my brother
is there a real-life person as such?
@@abdelkaderbenzorgat2391 Not really. His depiction as a Muslim man is not 100% accurate, it's also shown in the praying scenes.
But his mannerisms, sheer will and such things like that are showing that he's a true Muslim.
It's basically an even bigger "fuck you" to the Governor than a bullet in some ways for a prisoner to refuse his own freedom. His message was stronger than Hughes who used a gun on Devlin.
Even though Said doesn't curse, he delivered the biggest 'fuck you' in the entire show
He said fuck you only twice in the entire show damn
He said fuck about ten times while beating Omar in the closet...
The pride in that man's eyes is all i will ever strive towards. That is a man any race
eligion whatever, should be thankful to witness. Shades of Malcolm
Quite simple.....the best scene in OZ. We thought it was the way Kareem Said left the show, through freedom. However he remained by showing by reminding us of his character and his absolute belief to do the right thing NO MATTER the cost. This moment was magic watching it for the first time
No. Not best. One of the best scene.
For me the best scene is Jefferson keane converting to pslam crying in Saids arms that scene was off the chain
@@calemcconnell7735 well jefferson kean's story was pretty good but the story of Salahuddin was also very well done and underrated
this comment since 9 years ago please let me know if you are ok
This was the moment where I finally decided that Said was one of the best characters on Oz.
He's probably my favorite character on the show.
It took you that long??
I wish there would be more people like Karim Said.
Me too
@@ronaldcabral7506 Me three, selfess eager to justice
Imagine guys back in 1998, seeing in the same episode Beecher getting arms and legs broken, Alvarez taking eyes of a man and Said refusing clemency… gaddammmm
It's crazy to see Oz completely silent, everyone's attention is on the TV, watching someone they spent years with, someone they might not even like because of prison politics but nonetheless, they're watching in complete silence as Said talks about them being separated from those they care about as the camera pans and shows everyones' face.
Once again, everyone inside Oz is riveted by Said's words but this time it's on TV instead of inside Emerald City. Then, for the reaction of a lifetime, Oz erupts into yells of disbelief as they react to Said refuse Devlin's pardon.
after that, how can you make a scene more epic than that?
You mean more stupid.
@Joel Johnson
And like a year later, he kills Adebisi, didn't he?
It's like we're watching Beecher's story, done better(?). Instead of Crazy mode being used too early, it was a slow boil that peaked by Season 4, which my old circle declared the True Final Season.
@@Empyriummann
I'm sorry to necropost, but that crazy dude that killed Said was even worse.
Just comes outta nowhere, almost teleporting, and blasting him and stabbing Omar like Crazy Beecher would've.
And a couple episodes later? He wasn't used again.
But then again, Season 6 was dogshit. Absolute, insane, painful dogshit. They killed Glynn because I dunno, they brought the Wheelchair guy back because I dunno, they brought the other dead dudes back too because I dunno...
Yet I still debate whether Season 5 was worse.
Lol. Metzger look petrified.
jayjay86443 there were good episodes here and there, but yeah it was super inconsistent.
Kareem Said was my favorite character in this show. A true example of redemption, inspiration, and peace.
kareem said what? why do people keep saying he said?
I loved seeing Devlin humiliated.
When I saw him whisper to his buddy, I knew it was overrr 😭😂
I mean......it's a story for.a day or two, but at the end of the day he came out just fine.
I saw "Big Love" before this, he is a full-on creeper in that show. Didn't surprise me that he was playing a full-blown scumbag here lol.
He just has that face I guess.
This actor is fantastic at playing a scumbag. Hated him throughout Oz, to the actor's credit. He's also great in 24 and much more
What's sad is that while this was a power move, Said had a real rought 2 seasons following this. He pretty much lost his power until the end of season 4.
(spoiler) when siad got killed, the show became unwatchable.
Agreed. And when that little bird-looking guy (the one who killed Said) also killed Omar White, I was FURIOUS.
Agree Totally!!! I was also disgusted when Augustus Hill was Murdered too!!!
should've ended oz at season 5. would've saved us the circus that was season 6
Said who killed the most powerful dude in Oz that being Adebisi, fucked up Schillinger and Robson and also beat the fuck out of Omar who is killed by a guy who looked like he couldn't fight his way out of a wet paper bag? That was stupid.
@@allengreene9954 he got the drop on him
There’s not enough pride in the world to make me decline that and spend the rest of my life in prison
Lol I know right? His rejection ultimately did no one any good anyway.
The cost of Freedom too high? I would have taken the pardon.
@@furious3383 I would’ve took that and been sipping drinks on a beach somewhere
@@CHENOTV Thank You!!! Exactly!!
@@CHENOTV layed up in some fresh pussy
I love O'Reiley's reaction - just speechless - like he can't process what he's seeing
nobody is that righteous
God, Kareem Said was bae, by far the most honorable, spiritual, inspirational (and fine) character of Oz.
ok tricia ross......
This scene gives me chills every time. Kareem Said is the one character from Oz I still think about often.
Kareem Said and Ryan O'Reilly are my two favorite characters in Oz.
He ended up wasting away in Oz and being killed for no reason
“He Ravaged my Brain”
-Future inmate-
One of the greatest scenes in TV history. One of the greatest characters on TV shows. Shows complexity of man. Character surely had biggest ego I have witnessed but was trying to do a right thing and hold right values
Man, this was one of the best episodes of Oz. A lot of crazy shit happened in this 1 hour. Mark Mack gets killed, Beecher gets his limbs and his heart broken, Adebisi loses the only guy he really cared about and goes insane, Nappa gains control over the tits, Wangler becomes the de facto leader of the Homeboys, Alvarez rips out Rivera's eyes and goes crazy, Schillinger kills Sippel, O'Reilly confesses and tells the truth about his crimes,Said rejecting Devlin's offer and to top it all off, an amazing foreshadowing for Augustus.
Damn, what an episode.
Amazing scene....
gives a lot of people hope and strength
Eamonn Walker is as versatile an Actor as we will probably find in the profession of acting, simply brilliant. How is another brilliant actor lost to America once more ?.
Just saw oz for the first time. This was quite a scene. Didn't expect that.
"And so, Governor Devlin, because even the cost of freedom can be too high, I refuse your pardon! Give it to someone else instead, someone who doesn't give a damn about integrity and principles."
Vernon Schillinger: "I'll take it."
Devlin: "Ah, finally, a man with some common sense. Initiatives should be rewarded. Come on up here, mister, and receive your reward."
Tim Hansen This is hysterical 😭
I don’t think even Devlin wants to be remembered for pardoning a nazi 😂😂😂
for those who have followed the whole story. One of the best scenes in Oz!
Kareem Said & Jefferson Keane where my favorite characters. But I really loved Kareem , if I was to ever date a muslim I would want him to be just like this brother here ^^^^ . Even though he was a prison of the system he did not let that shit get him down. He was a true leader & treated life like it was a chess game & he definitely knew how to play !. He was a real black men who loved other black man & tried to uplift them !!!!
Why would he date u tho
Take it easy toots. It’s a story with words written for him by the writers. It’s not that deep
Ali Shabazz lol I know but I felt moved by his character
e honda same reason why you commented because he wants to !
Nice rack
3:34-3:47 the look on they faces like even if they don’t like him you can’t do nun but respect him
OZ got ridiculous like this...
You can't refuse a pardon, its granted, they throw you out the jail whether you like it or not!
you really just gotta throw logic and reason out when you watch this show lol
This the type of dude to think he actually gets to have a pork chop.
Kareem Said was powerful character a true muslim. All things we gain on earth will remain here on earth but after death Good deeds will go with us.
That guy played Ande, the African guerrilla leader who bought arms from Nicolas Cage in Lord of wars.
Yep.. and Bruce Willis’s seal team in tears of the sun, unbreakable as the doctor at the beginning who discovers newborn baby Samuel l Jackson arms n legs broken, chief Boden on Chicago fire.. 👍👍😺
"Salami i like 'em" - Groves
Had me dead ☠️
“ THE EVEN THE COST OF FREEDOM CAN BE TO HIGH “ 😤❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️❗️
He should've taken the clemency deal. Then he could fight to free the rest of his brothers..
The governor who was using him as a pawn certainly wouldn’t start to turn around and help him free a bunch of prisoners, all of whom were guilty anyway.
You knew as soon as Kareem said “we finally get to meet face to face” that shit was going down!
That smile at the end, he knew freedom under spiritual bondage is not freedom at all. Freedom is being with those you love, care, and support. That is home… that to said… is freedom. Even within those walls.. 🎉
Now THAT'S being a man of principle
This scene gets me every time.
I wish Kareem was my president!
Man of principles rare thing
If not the best, then one of the best scenes of the entire series! I love powerful speakers, you listen even when you don't want to, how can you not?
As soon as they mentioned a "clemency for Ramadan" in the episode, you just knew Said was gonna get it and refuse it.
I’m watching Oz for the first time right now and this threw me for a total loop!
The way he said "Co#@sucker!!!" lol don't think anyone else ever pissed him off worse than that throughout the entire series!
Said is the only Muslim who would have done that. All others would have left.
Devlin disliked this clip
2:42 the wardens face 😆u can tell he knew Said would pull some shit like this lmao
😂
I like Said so much man when he and Augustus Hill died I felt like everyone started acting like cavemen😂😂 they were the only source of moral guidance in the show
The look between Said and McManus is the point of this scene, IMO. Despite their differences, it matters to Said that McManus respects him.
favourite character by far. Once they killed him off i lost all motivation watching the rest of it
Iv been rewatching this scene all week. I know it’s all fake and scripted but the energy he put in this speech has been keeping me motivated and going all week
For it’s time in the late 90s early 00s this show was just simply amazing, sure some of the content didn’t make sense but it’s tv and the audience loved it.
I'm still pissed nothing ever happened to Devlin. Like I so wish he got sent to Oz and put in GenPop with everyone he had sent away and screwed over and they all go after him. It would've been so fitting, but sadly no payoff after he conspired to kill Glynn.
That's what makes it great. A lot of bad people get away with it.
Said was institutionalized and didn't realize it unfortunately
The greatest series ever
"STUPID"
🤣🤣🤣
Kareem could have helped a lot more people as a free man. So that was really an ego trip more than rational and moral stance.
That's what I said. He could've counseled a lot of people outside and prevented them coming to Oz
I think for once he actually wanted this pardon but he let his fellow Muslims guilt him into turning it down.
Kareem >
“Finally, we meet face to face.” Sayid meant nothing to him except a photo op.
esselamun aleykum brother
Aleyküm selam brother
Yeah right, refusing a pardon only happens on TV.
people have never sacrificed for principle?
"Allah does not allow me takes scraps from the hands of a man such as thisss..."
Ohhhh no...
One OF The Best Scenes In TV History
I remember this. That was crazy! But... Said was one strong cat. One of my top fav characters on Oz.
Such a great and noble character!
Fuck that. Oz was hell,I would have taken that deal and worried about that moral shot on the outside. He could have destroyed dude campaign on the outside a free man.
"he actually had a family and was in there under bog circumstances anyway"
That is why it would've been more powerful. That a man with every reason to get out of jail, would choose to stay on principle. It would've also shown how much Said had influenced him.
He was institutionalized it's actually sad
It is funny though, if Said took the pardon and clemency, there would be a strong chance he would not have been killed.
Said was the one who deserved it the most!
This decision would cost him his life.
You can call it stupid refusing such a great opportunity, but that's for common men a man like Kareem sayeed stands for his principles even when the sweet taste of freedom is placed upon his tounge. I REFUSE YOUR PARDON
Despite doing this cause all the Muslims were guilt tripping him for receiving clemency out of jealousy, they still ended up betraying & humiliating him in the following season 🤦♂️
You said it. They knew he deserved that pardon.
I know its only a tv show but that THAT right there is some serious faith...... Still cant believe patrick star's voice actor is in this hahaha
Love Kareem but such a stupid choice, he could have done more good free then in prison!
on the one hand he was my favourite character and wished he'd taken the clemency so he wouldnt die.
on the other hand the rest of the show wouldve been boring without him
Said is one of the most soft spoken characters in the show. But when he wants to make it count he growls.
One of my favorite scenes, watching all the inmates cheer clap and chant his name
I love this scene.. but I don't think you can legally refuse a pardon lol
O'Reilly looks like he just got hit with a train. Still trying to process what's going on.
I wonder if this actually ever happened in real life?
Said shake hand of Augustus Hill gaves me chills.
The 1 person who dislike is Governor Devlin.
Such an intense scene, however I hated Arif after this. Never was thinking of anyone but himself and he basically guilt tripped Said for it. Even after Said gave up his freedom, Arif never seemed grateful.
You saw it on his face he knew Said gave up that pardon for him.
What a way to End season 2 !!! Kareem at the beginning was really hard to like, but man .... He became one of my favorites caracteres, from this Kareem to the one on season 5 , u can tell how jail changes a man !!!!
2:35 "Damn, I'll never be boss aroundd here."
Saïd one of the best HBO characters of all time even of all TV.
that'd be dumb if Arif rejected it, he actually had a family and was in there under bog circumstances anyway...but he had reason to stay he had a gift of helping people...and he was better at helping people under those circumstances, most in the free world wouldn't have appreciated his gift the same...
Kareem was indeed a complex character
One of the most ignorant scenes in this show. His brothers remain behind suppressed. SUPPRESSED because when they were free to choose they always chose chaos and destruction. But had Said had half of a brain he would have chosen freedom so that he could communicate with and save the ones that have not yet lost their freedom.
"Thank you, but I prefer it my way." Lord of War....
Just think if he wouldn't have rejected he would have still been alive. It would have been great if Devilin became a prisoner too in Oz
Agreed it was an awesome show, with tons of different and interesting characters.
They just could have had characters move on, be released, and not have a 40+% fatality rate of getting rid of characters. Said being one of them.
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I've often heard it said that inmates/criminals have no soul, no sense on what is corrupt nor what is just, no convictions, and no principles. DON'T EVER PUT KAREEM SAID'S NAME ON THAT LIST! Very powerful scene!
I would have gladly left that place